Instant Reaction: 2024 CNN Presidential Debate

Welcome back to Bloomberg's special coverage of the twenty twenty 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.480 four CNN presidential debate right here on Bloomberg Television and 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.960 Radio alongside Joe Matthew, I'm Kaylee Lines, and we just 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.680 witnessed ninety minutes of debate between a current and former 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.759 president for the first time in history, a debate in 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.680 which the incumbent, Joe Biden, often struggled, stumbling over his words, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:26.239 misstating figures, at times freezing at one point, whereas Donald Trump, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.200 who did appear this evening, Joe, much more energetic and forceful, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.040 often said things that were not factually correct. Joe Biden 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.720 continually accused him of lying, and yet with a hoarse 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.640 voice that many in the Democratic Party are now attributing 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.520 to a cold Joe Biden at eighty one perhaps played 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.720 into fears about his age this evening. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.199 Yeah, this is an interesting exercise. We're probably going to 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.800 hear a lot more about performance than we are about substance. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.200 Following ninety minutes. To Kayley's point, there, we had one 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.000 break in the middle of this exercise. One toward the 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.160 end before closing statements, the president actually seemed to struggle 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.560 through his closing statement, which is an opportunity to get 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.120 into something that would be more rehearsed. But look, the 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.840 CNN moderators who we just watched and listened to did 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.880 not make any attempt to fact check either of the 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.920 candidates here, and I guess that will be the job 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.080 of our panel, Kyley. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.720 Yeah, of course, Joe Biden did at times attempt to 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.720 fact check Trump, at least accusing him of lying, not 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.080 always though providing what he says are actually the facts. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.560 And many times, interestingly, these candidates were asked questions that 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.560 they simply just did not answer, talking about other subjects entirely. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.840 Donald Trump did that on multiple occasions. When asked if 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.479 he would accept the results of the election, it took 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.960 multiple tries from the moderator and he said, ultimately not 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.120 yes or no, but if it's a fair and legal election, absolutely. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.840 We're going to walk you through some of the highlights, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.080 if we can call them that, of this first debate 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.120 in the cycle, and we'll have analysis ahead with Rick 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:54.400 Davis and Kristen Hank. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.720 First, though, let's check in on the Spin room in 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.280 Atlanta with Lomberg's correspondent David Gera, who is there on 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.000 the ground, So David, that was something to behold at times. Frankly, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.960 it was uncomfortable. How do things feel in the spin 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:08.000 room in the aftermath. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.440 Yeah, I think the two of you have laid that 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.680 out just as I witnessed it. It was a really stark contrast, 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.520 and there were moments that were, as you said, quite awkward. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.080 The contrast really start between these two candidates in terms 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.560 of their presentation. I think that something is you mentioned 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.400 that there wasn't any fact checking. You did notice that 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.639 with the former president, with Donald Trump, when asked a question, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.360 he would often take that moment to go back to 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.880 something else that was talked about in the question before that. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.280 I did note a few times that Dana bash reintroduced 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.000 the questions and this is what we're talking about now, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.400 and give him another opportunity to do that. But I 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.120 agree with your assessment too that we didn't get a 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.120 whole lot of substance here, a substance that was new. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.480 I think of sort of ways that President Trump in 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.520 particular reframed things that were novel, particularly when it comes 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.240 to January sixth. Yes, there is what we've heard from 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.400 him before about those who participated in that insurrection in 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.880 that action on Capitol Hill, but then kind of using 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.040 January sixth, this is kind of pivot moment for the 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.560 economy and all that he inherited then, and sort of 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.600 what happened on January sixth to the economy and the 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.480 country as a whole was a shall we say, creative 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.560 spin on what happened on that day. A bit of 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.680 news also from the former president on abortion. Of course, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.280 that's been in the news so much over these last 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.680 few weeks, and we had that Supreme Court decision this 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.480 week on the heels of the reporting the Bloomberg did 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:25.120 yesterday about the Supreme Court allowing the allowing abortions in 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.440 emergency circumstances to happen in Idaho. You did have Donald 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.360 Trump on the record today again saying that he defers 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.360 to the States, but says that he is somebody. He 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.520 is a candidate who's in favor of exceptions in a 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.320 kind of Reaganite mold. Has he put it. That's what 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:42.160 stood out to me. I noted with Donald Trump in particular, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.680 there were three or four things he kept coming back 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.760 to that. Of course, the migrant crisis as he sees it, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.200 quantity of people coming into this country, he blaming Joe 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.240 Biden for that and talking a bit about sort of 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.960 what he inherited. What Joe Biden inherited was this great economy, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:57.600 this great country. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.080 Let's talk about creative spin for a moment, David, because 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.600 you're right in the middle of it here as you 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.480 join us live from the spin room. This is great 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.040 giving us a little bit of a walk around. How 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.280 are the two campaigns representing themselves? This is a pretty 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.200 quiet spin room, if we can be honest. Before the 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.240 debate started, what are you seeing around you? Now? 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.120 Yeah, it is a bit quiet, and once it ended 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.800 there was an ear quiet to the room as well. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.680 But you have Mattur camermon focusing here on Sarah Hockey Sanders, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.760 who's speaking to reporters now on the floor here now 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.840 filling up with more reporters and more surrogates. Let me 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.440 see if I can get my microphone a bit closer 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.040 and we can pick up anything that she's she's having 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.680 to say here, Joe, and if you just way with. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:40.839 Resimblest, it's a clear contest and it's a win win 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.919 overwhelming me for president. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.880 Forgive me, yes, I saw her from Afar chrisident Biden 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.479 will still be the Democratic nominee. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:48.840 By the time we get to November, he is. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.839 The Democratic nominee. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.360 He will be on the ballot. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.000 And we are going to defeat him this November and 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.440 elect President Trump the next president of the United States, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.600 and the American people see crystal clear Joe Biden's fail policies, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.000 whether it's the border crisis, Biden inflation, or his weak 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.039 role as commander in chief leading to chaos and weak 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:11.000 in national security. This was an absolute, overwhelming knockout victory 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:15.480 by President Trump against a failed, feckless and weak Joe Biden. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.159 What do you just step away here? As she continues again, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.920 that's the least Stefanic the congressman from New York. And 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.680 as I kind of walk around the floor to see 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:28.000 who else is out here, she principally there the only 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.279 surguit that I'm seeing on the floor right now. But 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.160 you just picking up there on what she's saying about 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.960 the economy. Again, that was something I think that the 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.720 former president returned to time and time again. And you saw, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.919 as you mentioned the top, Joe Biden, the current president, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.080 trying to context you lize sort of the economy that 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.480 he inherited when he was president. I found it kind 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.800 of halting in the way that he was able to 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.640 deal with that issue too, David, that was great. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.640 Thanks for the peak behind the curtain, mayor of Bloomberg's 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.720 David Gura with us in the spin room. These are 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.880 the conversations that are going to lead to the coverage tomorrow, 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.960 and you just got anice peak at it right there. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.120 As we now reassemble our political panel, Rick Davis, Republican 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.960 strategist and partner at Stone Court Capital, that's with us, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.280 along with Democratic strategist Kristin Hahn, partner at Rock Solutions. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.000 All right, guys, we need some honest talk here about 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.240 what we just saw. Both of your phones were blown 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.719 up through that whole debate, as you heard from your 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.400 colleagues from both sides of the aisle. Kristin. Anyone's talking 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.040 about is Joe Biden's voice tonight. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.679 I think he was unfortunate that he had a cold 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.279 and that he you know, the delivery may not have 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.960 been what we wanted, but honestly, the thing that struck 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.040 me the most was just I mean Trump might have 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.320 been delivering, you know, had a more booming voice, but 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.480 I was trying to take notes of all the lies 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.120 he was not and my hand started hurting. So, I mean, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.719 it's really remarkable. He's taking credit for the you know, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.720 the the insulin prices going down again, making you know, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.440 claims that the election was a fraud, wildly wrong claims 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.040 about women healthcare. And it's funny because I'm like, you know, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.000 if we're talking about, as your correspondent mentioned just a 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.719 second ago, he made news saying he would be okay 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.920 with exceptions for a rape and incests in that type 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.640 of thing. But we just saw the man lie for 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.440 an hour and a half, I mean, blatant, Liz, And 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.280 we'll see all of that debunked in the next if 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.920 you don't already know, over the next several days. So 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.040 why would we ever believe him? Why would any woman 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.080 ever believe him? I certainly don't. I also thought it 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.040 was interesting that he kept saying that, and it's a 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.960 big point in his campaign, you know that he talks 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.160 about how the president's you know, weaponizing the judicial system 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.440 and coming after him, But he actually said, I quote, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.040 he has no idea what these cases even are. So 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.520 is it that he's too old and can't remember what 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.120 the cases are or is he weaponizing his judicial system? 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.040 So there were so many I don't know. I wasn't 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.720 expecting anything different from President Trump. But despite the delivery, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.200 I think, you know, there there couldn't be two more, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.560 you know, distinct choices, And wasn't that was true before tonight, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.600 It's still true now and it will be true tomorrow. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.400 But despite all of these factual inaccuracies, Trump did indeed 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.920 lie at times, and Joe Biden attempted to call him 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.040 out on that, And yet at times Joe Biden himself 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.880 struggled to articulate what exactly the facts were, even his 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.000 own facts, misstating the number of jobs, for example, created 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.120 in his administration, at one point calling into question his 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:29.120 own policy on Medicare after freezing for a substantial period 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.679 of time. Rick, I'm looking at the traffic on social media, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.679 other reports I'm seeing, and many are suggesting that the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.920 Democrats are going to have to put someone else forward 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.560 as the nominee after tonight. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.400 Yeah, when you think back about what we were trying 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.880 to handicap this debate going into it, what was Trump 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.680 going to need to do? Trump two point zero needed 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.640 to be more disciplined, He needed to be less aggressive, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.280 he needed to not talk over Biden. You know, those 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.840 things he accomplished, right. I mean, he got hot toward 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.440 the end of the debate, and I think it actually 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.120 took something away from his performances. But at the end 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.680 of the day, Trump kind of delivered on the style 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.760 at which everyone set the expectation to. And the only 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.280 thing anybody expected Joe Biden to do was convinced us 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.480 that his age is not a factor in being a 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.600 candidate for president or potentially a president for another term. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.120 And he did not accomplish that task. You know, You've 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.640 mentioned it very clearly, his halting, inability to finish the sentences. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.840 He looked very over prepared, He seemed to have a 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.320 hard time getting the numbers out. And we have to 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.520 remember this was his idea to debate this early one 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.880 on one with Donald Trump, you know, in this kind 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.160 of a venue with no limits on fact checking, right, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.840 and so he Joe Biden's job was to be the 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.560 fact checker. But instead he kind of just accepted any 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.120 topic that Donald Trump wanted to talk about and responded 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.760 to it as best he could, but not with necessarily 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.640 a fact check that could say, hey, you're lying about this, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.680 and this is what the real story is. It was 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.640 more kind of a personal response. And that's the thing 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.920 that I think most people are going to take away 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.880 from this debate is this was a very intensely personal 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.280 debate where there were two guys who clearly didn't like 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.079 each other, who had a totally different version of America, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.880 and neither one of them really delivered any kind of 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:21.240 a good outcome for themselves. But the performance by Joe 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.760 Biden has to create questions in the Democratic Party's minds 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.800 is whether or not they have someone who's up to 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.240 the election they've got five months ago. And this was 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.959 not a man who I would say you'd ever want 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.040 to put on a debate stage. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.400 Again, let's give a taste here as part of our 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.200 special coverage of the CNN presidential debate, a moment here 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.559 for Joe Biden talking to Donald Trump about morals. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.800 The crime. So you are still charged with and think 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.319 of all the civil penalties you go how many billions 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.679 of dollars do you own? Civil penalties for molesting a 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.560 woman in public, for doing a whole range of things 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.839 of having sex from the porn star on the night 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:04.719 wife's trainer. What are you talking about? You have the 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:05.800 morals of an alley cat. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.920 An alley cat, Kristin. I'm not sure how many twenty 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.160 somethings I've ever heard that word used in that way 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.920 when you listen to him speaking so quickly like that, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.080 sometimes not able to get all the words out, coupled 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.600 by the voice that was struggling with a cold, freezing 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.920 up at times, a halting performance. As we heard from 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.400 a couple of folks, Democrats are going to be upset 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.360 about this, worried about this tomorrow. How can you with 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.480 a straight face tell people that he's going to be 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.680 in good shape four years from now running this country? 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.880 I mean, I think also in addition to that, he 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.079 was trying to fit too many things into his answers, right, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.280 I mean, Trump is really good at taking one idea 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.360 and running with it, whether that's true or not, usually 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.560 mostly false, but trying to fit too much, you know, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.320 and if you're quiet and you're you know, you don't 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.559 have that booming voice, then it's hard for people to 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:54.760 hear it. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.000 So there were a lot of questions about his travel schedule. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.880 He was in three different time zones over the last 0:11:58.880 --> 0:11:59.319 two weeks. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:11:59.920 Was that a fail? 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:01.720 I mean the staff's part. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.960 He's the president of the United States. I wouldn't presume 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.040 to know exactly where and when he needs to be 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.680 where he needs to be, but he'll have some work 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:10.320 to do after this. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.400 Of course, as we consider what this debate ultimately was about, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.920 we're here analyzing the performance of both of those candidates. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.960 But they did at times talk about policy. Joe Biden 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.959 decided to close out his remarks talking about economic policy, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.760 what he wants to do in taxes and to get 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.160 inflation down. Donald Trump did at one point talk about tariffs, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.840 suggesting they're not going to drive prices higher. He said, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.120 it just will force other countries to pay us a 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.720 lot of money. Rick, for a voter sitting at home, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.440 do you think any of that realistically broke through or 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.559 was the performance aspect ultimately to distracting? 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:44.600 Yeah. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.680 I think it was very hard to get past the 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.040 performance and also the hatred between the two individuals, right, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.760 I mean, that is a block to actually hearing anything 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.640 positive coming out of their mouths. They talk to each 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.160 other more than they talked to the American people, and 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.960 that was a stark departure from Joe Biden four years ago, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.280 where he would take time to look directly into the 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.960 camera and talk directly to the American people about issues 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.239 he thought were important. So I think it was relatively 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.200 void of any real policy prescriptions. I mean, even the 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.400 closing statements didn't really punch through a specific policy idea. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.960 Joe Biden talked about, you know, making the tax code 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.040 simpler and fairer, but he didn't give any real details 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.000 behind what that would look like. And Donald Trump, I mean, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.400 you know, arguably he did what he does every single 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.120 day on the campaign trail. When he goes to his 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.080 big events, he just makes things up and he talks 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.960 about how great they are. And I'm sure his campaign 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.960 was cringing when he got into you know, a contest 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.360 of wills over who's got the better golf game and 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.439 how many country club championships he. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:47.720 Just was one. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.000 And so I don't think either one of them distinguished 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.040 themselves particularly well. I mean, the idea that we're even 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.240 talking about Donald Trump winning a debate is because it 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.280 was such a disastrous performance by Joe Biden. And so 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:04.400 if you were an independent voter, a swing voter from 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.480 one of the key states, looking into this debate saying 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.600 who's got something that I can latch onto that I'm 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.640 going to be, you know, excited about voting for. I 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.760 don't think either one of them were able to accomplish 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.400 that goal, And if anything, I wouldn't be surprised that 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.880 the double haters get bigger, not smaller. Well as a 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.120 result of this debate. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.680 That's saying something. It plays poorly for both candidates in 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.680 your opinion. By the way, ar Atlanta burea chief in 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.400 the room, says, no Democratic surrogates on the spin room 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.120 floor right now, Kristen, how long is it going to 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.680 take the party to come up with an answer to this? 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.680 I mean, I think they're going to have to come 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.800 up with how they're going to talk about it immediately, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.240 and I think that the campaign's ready to do that. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.560 And I think if you're going to look at you know, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.880 the president is right on the issues, he was up 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.920 against a liar. The performance wasn't what it needed to be. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.680 The campaign is going to have to be in full mode, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.080 you know, like out there talking to people about like 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.400 what makes this president different, why these issues are so 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.400 important to the American people. And it's not an easy 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:06.920 thing to do when you have somebody that you're up 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.640 against just lying as we. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.600 Are in our final minute here, I would just point 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.640 out that we are now two weeks out from Donald 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.160 Trump's sentencing in New York when he was convicted of 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.080 thirty four felony crimes, and we are just days out 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.280 from getting a decision from the Supreme Court on whether 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.600 he is presidential immunity in another case with which he 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.200 has been charged and in regard to January sixth, So 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.040 there could still be much to develop in this race. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.520 And yet it feels like Joe that something did shift 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:34.520 in this race this evening. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.720 We'll see how things feel tomorrow, and of course we'll 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.160 be back to hash out the details on the day 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.920 after our Thanks to Rick Davis, Republican strategist and partner 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.520 at Stone Court Capital, and Democratic strategist Kristen Hahn, partner 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.400 at Rock Solutions, a perfect panel with some smart insights tonight, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.320 Kaylee will have a lot to learn tomorrow as the 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.840 campaigns get on the road. Donald Trump's going to Virginia, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.600 Joe Biden to North Carolina, and it continues other debate 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.840 in September. Assuming that takes place. That concludes our special 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.680 coverage of the first twenty twenty four presidential debate. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:13.320 Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg TV and radio.