Instant Reaction: Vice Presidential Debate

Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.119 And ninety minutes of debate between Senator JD Vance and 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.680 Governor Timwalls ends Welcome back to Bloomberg TV and radio. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.520 Simulcast coverage of this debate on CBS. Of course, over 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.880 the next last ninety minutes, we saw Mike's hot and 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:25.000 facts sometimes checked, although jd Vance was not too happy 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.240 about that, as they fielded questions on a number of subjects, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.040 and Governor Walls described himself as someone who frequently misspeaks. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.199 He admitted he mispoke about a trip to China the 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.519 timing of that in nineteen eighty nine. He appeared to 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.080 misspeak once again in this debate, saying he'd become friends 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.159 with school shooters, while jd Vance, toward the end of 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.000 their discussion, refused to say whether or not Donald Trump 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.200 lost in the twenty twenty election. There were a number 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.040 of topics as well Joe Matthew that were not broached 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.960 in this debate, including questions around Ukraine, for example, or 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.920 the military service of Governor. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.240 Walltz Yeah, both of which we did we hear quite 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.440 a bit of time spent on here, not the case 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.480 this evening. Some interesting choices when it came to topics, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.480 for instance, family leave instead of one of the two 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.800 hot wars that are raging right now around the world, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.240 and some interesting moments for both candidates. Tim Walls might 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.600 be remembered Kayley for his line about being friends with 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.720 school shooters. A lot of people are wondering what he 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.839 meant by that. It has already gone viral. Donald Trump, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.040 of course, was updating things live online on truth Social 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.120 with a post now showing a lawn sign. It's already 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.000 been made Trump Vance twenty four not friends with school shooters. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.240 Let's bringing our political panel. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzeno 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:44.240 Bloomberg Politics contributors were watching along with us here, and 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.000 of course the question for both of you, did anyone 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.800 win this debate? Geenie? Was this a draw? Or do 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.639 we actually have a winner that moved the needle? 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.920 I think from a purely debating perspective, I think you 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.240 have to give it to jd Vance. I don't think 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.920 that's much of a surprise. He is a seasoned He 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.160 was very good with Tim Ryan, he was good tonight. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.200 I think what he did that threw Tim Waltz off 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.320 a bit was he was very sort of willing to 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.280 reach across the aisle. He was friendly, he was affable, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:20.040 he was, you know, talking about being bipartisan, all of 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.520 those kinds of things. So anybody and many of us 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.360 thought he might be an attack dog. He was not 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.760 that he so I think when you look at purely 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.400 from debate points, he had a very good night. Tim 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.760 Waltz had some good moments. His talk about healthcare was 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.120 I think one of his best, as was the January sixth. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.560 Unfortunately for Tim Waltz, those came towards the end of 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.280 the middle end of the debate. You wanted those more 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.440 at the front, but he seemed nervous, and that's understandable. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.280 This is a big stage for him, biggest he's ever 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.560 been on, and quite frankly, not that much different than 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.120 his debate in Minnesota for the governor's race, where he 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.160 seemed to stumble a bit on words. The school shooter thing, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.400 the knucklehead common and I think those are what people 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.520 who know him expected. So I don't think it's a surprise, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.519 but I do think it wasn't Tim Waltz's best to 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.919 night or best showing well. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.799 We want to go now live to the spin room 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.280 to get some reaction in real time from the floor 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.800 in New York. Bloomberg's Amory Hoarder is there now, Amory. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.280 Thank you so much, Kaylie, and I'm joined here by 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:26.600 Senator Katie Britt. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.440 Of course of Alabama. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.919 Let's just get your reaction to tonight. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.120 I know before you went. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.359 Into that debate, you were in the spin room talking 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.040 about you think Senator Vance could close the gap. He 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.080 had almost an awkward start to this campaign trail. How 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.280 did you think he performed tonight. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.760 I thought he was outstanding. I think that was one 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.480 of the best debate performances in American history. I thought 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.480 he was collected, he was on point, and he was 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.080 very direct. But I thought the American people got to 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.520 know JD. Vance to your point. I was asked a 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.800 number of times before this, and I said, I was 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.640 honored to know JD. Not just as a colleague, but 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.760 as a person, as a friend. And when you get 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.280 to know people like he and Usha as people and 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.000 as parents, you get to see their heart, You get 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.840 to see their vision for the country. Tonight he laid 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.119 out a vision and he showed why Donald Trump needs 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.760 to be back in the White House. So I thought 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.200 he did an excellent job. I thought people got an 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.920 opportunity to get to know my friend and got to 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.360 know what I believe in him, and know that he 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.839 is ready to be the vice president and obviously to serve. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.400 Do you think this moves the needle? Though everyone says 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.440 only people pay attention to the top of the ticket, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.920 does a debate like the running mate move the needle? Look? 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.920 I mean, I think he did a great job, very 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.240 clear in laying out Donald Trump's policies and why we 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.400 want to go back to a period of prosperity, a 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.400 period of a secure border of Latino chaos across the 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.440 globe and the way that we're seeing it today, a 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.560 place where your dollar goes further, where they're at the 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.680 grocery store, at the gas station. And so I think 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.000 he succinctly did that. But what he also did is 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.880 he reached people. I mean, his ability to just have come. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.000 It felt like you got to know him, you got 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.000 to see his vision, and you felt hopeful for the future. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.440 I got a text from my ninth grade son that said, Mom, like, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.320 I like what he's saying, Like this is great stuff, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.160 Like this is you know, good, good job. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.120 I feel like your ninth grade son should be in bed, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.000 But I guess what we'll give him this one given 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.800 his mom's on TV also spinning the debate. Can we 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.279 ask you just one final question about what is actually 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.880 going on right now and potentially if there's going to 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.599 be some Congressional action on two things happening right now 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.560 in the United States? Won the hurricane? Will Congress come back? 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:35.520 Look? 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.520 I know we saw Joe Biden come out and say 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.520 Congress needed to come back, and then we saw his 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.360 press team walk it back. Unfortunately, that's more of the 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.040 same of what we're seeing from this administration. We saw 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.960 Kamala Harris go in and get a briefing, come out 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.400 and not answer any questions. Obviously, we really lack a 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.359 commander in chief and number two in charge that's really 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.560 able to give us direction and can point this country 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.520 in the right direction even in a time of chaos 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.640 like this. I don't think you'll see us come back truly. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.760 They've obviously released the twenty billion dollars. There are a 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.600 number of items we need to take care of, like 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.600 appropriations bills, amongst other things. So if we do come back, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.280 we certainly have a lot of work, but unfortunately every 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.640 time we're in session, Chuck Schumer chooses to not put 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:16.960 bills of meeting on the floor. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.240 Senator Haggerdy has spoke today of Tennessee devastating pictures. He 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.560 said he's getting everything right now from the federal government, 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.120 but if he wasn't, he would like to come back. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:25.960 Yeah. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.400 I'm always happy to work, always happy to come back 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.520 and do our job. I am frustrated though, as a 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.000 United States Senator that we lack when you see what 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.280 Chuck Schumer chooses to put on the floor versus what 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.839 he should be putting on the floor, things like the NDAA, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:45.840 things like appropriations bills that fund homeland security, amongst other things, NDAA, 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.599 the Farm Bill. There's a ton of work to be done. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.400 I'm ready to do it, but we need some new 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.520 leadership and Republicans. This is why it's so important for 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:54.960 us to take back the Senate so we can actually 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:56.280 do the job that people send us up. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:56.440 There to do. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.400 Senaor Katie Britt, thank you so much for your time, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.640 Kaylee and Joe Senri dri Very. That's his performance this evening. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.440 All right, Emery Hordern in the spin room for us 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.040 as we continue to unpack what we just experienced in 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.679 the vice presidential debate. And we'd really liked to stick 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.000 with our panel here, our signature panel for their clutch analysis, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.880 and that includes Rick Davis, of course, Bloomberg Politics contributor. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.360 Let's go big picture, Rick, your impressions. You sat here 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.480 watching this with us for ninety minutes. Did somebody win 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:23.960 this debate? 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.240 You know, I don't know if there were winners and losers. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.800 I think each one of them sort of comported themselves 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.480 in a way that wasn't, you know, particularly special, but 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.040 you know, sort of met the needs of their candidates. Really, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.800 this is all about reinforcing, you know, the standards that 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.040 the candidates are running at. At the top of the ticket, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.840 I think JD. Vans did a very good job, very 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:49.080 disciplined job of returning repeatedly to immigration, you know, the 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.720 soft underbelly of the Biden administration, and criticizing almost on 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.320 every issue some form of immigration impact and whether it 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.600 was on housing or the economy, national security. And so 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.200 he came with a plan, he executed his plan. Tim 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.280 Walls was Tim Walls. I mean, he got put on 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.480 this ticket because he was everybody's grandpa and you know, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.840 the football coach showed up tonight, you know, and this 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.680 is clearly what the Harris campaign wants to present. It 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.720 was unpolished, rough on the edges sometimes, but I would 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.400 say delivered a lot of good hits against Donald Trump, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:30.320 which was his job, and a very compelling final argument 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.600 on democracy and the twenty twenty elections at the end 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.200 of the debate. So, is anybody gonna, you know, stop 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.679 the momentum that the Harris campaign has right now? Probably not. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.360 Are they going to augment the Trump campaign and somehow 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.760 probably not. Actually thought both of the candidates today on 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.720 the stage tried to actually get along with one another, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.800 and I think for the purposes of a political campaign, 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.200 this civility probably neutralized lot of the attacks. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.679 All Right, Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzana will be back 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.160 with us in just a moment right now that we 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:06.880 want to go back to the spin room floor where 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.280 anriy Horder is joined by the Governor of Illinois, Henry. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:13.920 Thank you so much, Kaylie. And that's right, I'm joined 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.319 by the Governor of Illinois, Dab Pritzker, thank you so much. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.600 So I just want to get your reaction to how 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.880 you thought Governor Walls did, I know it's someone you're 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:21.480 very friendly with. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.800 Tim Walls did what Tim Walls does best, which is 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.000 he showed his heart, especially for middle class Americans, for 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.679 everyday Americans. It's what he believes in his heart, right, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.959 standing up for the issues that matter most at the 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.079 kitchen table for most people, making sure that they have 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.040 the ability to retire, the ability to send their kids 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.120 to college, right, putting dollars in their pocket with a 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.400 child tax credit, helping them afford to buy a house. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.559 That's what Tim Walls talked about throughout this debate. He 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.560 also stood up for people's individual freedoms. And then very 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.600 importantly at the end, I think you heard a very 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.640 important message, which is Tim Walls will live up to 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.120 the obligations the job of being vice president, the oath 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.440 that he would take if he became vice president. Where 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.640 his opponent would not even admit that Donald Trump lost 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.599 the twenty twenty election, and he was pressed on that. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.760 So I think you got to look at the contrast 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.839 between the character of these two people. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.559 Do you think a VP debate, though, can move the needle? 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.240 I mean, you look at these polls, it's a nice edge. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.760 This election neck and neck in all of these swing states. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.439 I know, Wisconsin so close to you, you share sometimes 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.040 a media market with them. Do you think a VP 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.480 debate actually can move some of these voters that are 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:36.480 waiting on the sidelines. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.040 I think the fact that it is so close is 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.560 why this VP debate matters, And what really matters about 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.720 it is, again, are you reaching and talking to everyday Americans, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.559 working families that are, you know, sometimes suffering from the 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.800 challenges of the world coming on them, right, And so 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.920 you heard Tim Wallas talk about what the solutions are 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.720 for those families. You didn't hear anything from JD. Vance 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.719 about how to solve those problems. All he did was 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.120 sort of lie and then stand up for Donald Trump's 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:13.080 lies over and over again. It's frankly, he's very slick debater, JD. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.599 Vance and if you could get sort of sucked in 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.280 by that, But it was Tim Walls who just said 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.520 it the way that everyday Americans talk. You know, the 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.000 guy down the street that you trust to watch your 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.439 kids when you're you know, when you're off doing something 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.719 during the day, or you know the coach that you 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.360 had in college or in high school. That really mattered 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.160 to you and made a difference. That's who Tim Walls 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:35.520 really is. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.200 One quick one finally, just on what's going on right 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.400 now with the DOC workers. Do you think the President 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.880 needs to enact TAFT Hartley to get these workers back 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.439 because this is affecting half of US trade. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.640 Look what he said and I believe it too, is 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.280 that working men and women have the right to organize 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.240 and if they want to get better pay and they 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.800 want to get safer workplaces, they have the right to 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.600 strike if they want. I also believe that the President 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.400 and the Vice President want to bring the parties together 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.880 so that there's a real solution to this. So that's 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.240 going to happen. That happened with the UAW strike, it's 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.040 going to happen here. But standing up for the rights 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:18.520 of American workers to get better pay, to argue and 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.720 have the power to collectively bargain for a shafer workplace, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.559 those are things that really matter to this administration, and 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.600 I think we'll see a solution to this problem. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.320 Governor, thank you so much for your time this even 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.839 thank you Kaylee Joe. Of course that was Governor J. B. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.040 Pritzker of Illinois and Marie. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.679 Thank you so much. Talking to one of many surrogates 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.880 gathered in the spin room tonight. It's been pretty busy 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.640 with both campaigns trying to frame the conversation that just 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.600 happened to the benefit of their candidates. Of course, as 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.880 we reassemble our political panel, Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.960 or with us coming off of the only vice presidential 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.240 debate that we're going to get here, Tim Walls had 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.520 a couple of odd moments, at least different. I think 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.320 we can admit for a a debate like this, referring 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:06.280 to himself as a knucklehead, I think you recalled genie. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.920 And then this line about being friends with school shooters, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.120 which Frank Luntz already on Twitter this evening says, will 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.280 be the most memorable line from this debate is that 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:16.000 our takeaway. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.719 That'll be probably the takeaway that gets a lot of 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.599 the social media coverage. I hope people also focus on 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.360 some of the other things Tim Waltz had to say. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.559 Number one, when he said president's words matter. Throughout this debate, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.719 we've been seeing Donald Trump live truth. I guess we 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.199 would call it. People should take a look at what 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.360 he is saying and look at what he's been saying 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.839 all day and for the last week, and quite frankly, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.720 for the last year. He also pinned jd Vance down 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.040 on the question of did Donald Trump lose the twenty 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.199 twenty election. Jd Vance nosey lost, couldn't say it. He 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.480 so he had some important moments there where he reminded us, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.840 this is Tim Waltz, and this is not really quite 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.440 frankly about jd Vance. This is about the two people 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.360 at the top of the ticket, and it is a 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.319 choice between those two that people have to make. So 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.040 from that perspective, he was able to make the case 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.200 in a different vernacular. For sure, words we've probably never 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.920 heard on the debate stage. But I think maybe if 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.120 people look beyond some of that, they're going to see 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.440 what he said does really have an impact on this race. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.960 Well as we consider what was said there. Jade Vance 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.000 in the past has said that he doesn't want to 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.040 get ahead of Donald Trump in saying things about his policies, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.520 including on the issue of abortion and whether or not 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.080 Donald Trump would veto a federal ban. Jd Vance was 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.360 talking about that during the debate. Donald Trump, in his 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.280 life play by play on True Social then said everyone 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.560 knows I would not support a federal abortion ban under 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.680 any circumstances, and would in fact veto it, the first 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.200 time we have heard him commit to a veto Rick. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.360 I just wonder, as Jade Vance was on that stage 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.680 talking about Republicans need to gain the trust of voters 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.960 who do not trust them on this issue, is it 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.960 too late for Donald Trump to definitively say something it 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:08.560 for it to matter. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.440 Well, I think this all resonates around the massive gender 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.240 gap that exists in the selection. And by the way, 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.240 on both sides, right there's the largest female gender gap 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.280 to the advantage of Harris and a large male gender 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.400 gap that is the advantage of Donald Trump. And clearly 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.440 Donald Trump is super sensitive on this issue because he's 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.080 been all over the map on it. And I'm sure 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.800 the advisors are sitting there right now trying to talk 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.560 through how do we clean up you know, the sort 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:40.560 of confusion that's been created, because even jd Vance was inarticulate, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.960 I would say, into what is he actually endorsed, because 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.480 you know, the easy answer is, oh, well, we're just 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.280 going to let states deal with it. But then criticize 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.640 the governor Waltz's policies in the state. Well, if you're 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.480 letting states deal with it, then Minnesota to be able 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.320 to do whatever they want to do. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.920 Point out that jd Vance during the debate said he 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.960 never supported a federal abortion ban, but he did in 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.600 twenty twenty two say he would like abortion to be 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:08.880 illegal nationally. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:09.640 No, if you have it. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.560 Look, they both have their moments here. Interesting to hear 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.120 twenty twenty come up. Toward the end of this debate 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.240 as well. Walls asks about Trump. Did he lose the 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.800 twenty twenty election. I'm focused on the future, said jd Vance. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.560 Walls called that a damning non answer. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:25.680 Is that right? 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.960 It's absolutely right? And you know, I think both of 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.960 them did this repeatedly. They tried to drive a division 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.280 of a wedge, if you will, between their candidate at 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.480 the top of the ticket. And of course jd Vance 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.920 doesn't want to stand up there and say he disagrees 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.160 with Donald Trump. And yet the reality is is we 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.360 all have to think about the fact that Donald Trump 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.720 to this moment still claims he won that election and 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.080 jd Vance stands there knowing that he lost and cannot 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.120 say it. And so that just underscores where we are 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.920 in this race. It's a really important one. 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.080 Well certainly, and this may be the only moments like 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.840 this of to sharing a debate stage we're going to 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.080 get over the next five weeks. With this performance from 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.720 jd Vance after the initial Donald Trump Kamala Harris debate, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.159 in which she was widely seen as winning, do you 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.480 think it's more likely or less likely now that they 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.720 agree to a second presidential debate before November? 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.920 For yeah, I really don't think. I mean jd Vance 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.240 did a fine job, was very disciplined, as we've said, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.640 but I don't think it has any impact on Donald Trump. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.399 Donald Trump is afraid of getting on the stage. You know, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.320 with Kamala Harris, he got man handled literally in the 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.400 debate that he had with her. The staff don't want 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.960 him back on a stage. They see that as a 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.600 risk that they're unwilling to take, and so I really 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.080 don't think this changes anything in that construct. So I 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.600 think you're right, Kayleie. I think we've seen the last 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:53.280 debate of this election cycle, and I would say, at best, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.440 slight advantage for Advance, but really no harm, no foul 0:17:58.520 --> 0:17:59.439 to either of the candidates. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.360 On the top of the tickets, we're out of time here. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.440 But does Donald Trump feel better about his pick tonight? 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.639 Yeah, he probably does, and Maga probably likes him a 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.040 little bit better. So yeah, maybe his numbers even improve 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.520 a little bit, but not enough to move the ballot. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.400 We've experienced another one with Rick and Genie many thanks 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.480 to our signature panel, Rick Davis Genie Shanzano as part 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.359 of our special coverage of the vice presidential debate on 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.240 CBS simulcast here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm Joe 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.080 Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions. We'll be back from Washington. Kayley, 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.359 I don't know how we'll pull that off. At noontime tomorrow, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:32.040 I'll meet you there. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.480 Indeed, sounds good. In the meantime, have a good evening. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.320 This is Bloomberg