The Star Wars Holiday Special ('78) with our guests from the 30Something Movie Podcast (part 1)

<v Speaker 1>The Incredible Hulk will not be present of this evening.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody back to the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>We are on a super special edition where we are
<v Speaker 2>covering the Star Wars Holiday Special with some of our
<v Speaker 2>great friends from the thirty something Movie Podcast. I'm here
<v Speaker 2>with my co host Jason. Jason, are you doing man?
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great.
<v Speaker 3>D I'm excited to be here and excited to hang
<v Speaker 3>out with our buddies from thirty something.
<v Speaker 2>We have a plate of wookie ookie cookies right in
<v Speaker 2>front of us here, we're jumping on them. And to
<v Speaker 2>introduce the thirty something guys, we have John Reid.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going.
<v Speaker 4>We've got more than four people, and I think we
<v Speaker 4>need a banth Rump to feed more than four, don't we.
<v Speaker 4>We have hardy appetite. I mean we have a hardy appetites.
<v Speaker 4>So I mean Pat Alan could probably take down one
<v Speaker 4>banther Rump.
<v Speaker 3>We need Harvey Corman and Dragged to come and look.
<v Speaker 1>It for us.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what's more disturbing is is him doing
<v Speaker 5>the cooking show or the fact that they were eating
<v Speaker 5>Bantha Rump. I don't I just I don't know about
<v Speaker 5>that any of that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, what are bantha is supposed to be pets
<v Speaker 2>or food?
<v Speaker 1>I know there's that.
<v Speaker 4>There's that deleted scene I think from the original Star
<v Speaker 4>Wars where Luke has the macro binoculars. He's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>there's there's two banthas. I can see one of them
<v Speaker 4>now and that, Oh that one looks tasty and I'd
<v Speaker 4>like a side of that.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, according to the Mandalorian, the Creedy Dragon really thinks
<v Speaker 3>banthas are tasty.
<v Speaker 1>It's true. Yeah, that show.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I wish we could talk about that show all right.
<v Speaker 3>Who you got with us tonight?
<v Speaker 4>John, We've got so I dragged a couple other people
<v Speaker 4>here with me. I've got Pat Cannagallo. Pat, I think
<v Speaker 4>you're your your background here on Zoom. You're on the Orca,
<v Speaker 4>aren't you.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 5>I've been on the Orca put Off from Ami Island
<v Speaker 5>and podcast thing ever since. So it's great to be
<v Speaker 5>here this I mean, huge fan of your guys show.
<v Speaker 5>I mean it's it's great and I know we were
<v Speaker 5>saying before we started recording, yet it's been a while
<v Speaker 5>and it sort of it's been a while, but sort
<v Speaker 5>of not because I've listened to you guys, like you know,
<v Speaker 5>almost every day I'm listening to one of your episodes,
<v Speaker 5>so it feels like, you know, it's just like.
<v Speaker 2>I just saw you yesterday.
<v Speaker 5>Thanks so, thank you so much for having us here.
<v Speaker 2>We feel the same way you guys every week. It
<v Speaker 2>is a joy to listen to you guys get together
<v Speaker 2>and hit a movie that's thirty years old.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, guys, Thank you.
<v Speaker 4>And I've also got the Man, the myth, the legend,
<v Speaker 4>Dennis Mantuca over here too.
<v Speaker 6>Hey, pleasure to be here. Thank you guys for having
<v Speaker 6>me and looking forward to this. I just you guys
<v Speaker 6>are all talking about appetites and eating. I have no
<v Speaker 6>idea how after watching that, you guys have an appetite
<v Speaker 6>for at least forty eight hours.
<v Speaker 4>I did bring Dennis because I wanted to make sure
<v Speaker 4>we had somebody who was a full grown adult when
<v Speaker 4>this came on. So, you know, Dennis is Dennis is
<v Speaker 4>really old. He's you know, what are you now, like sixty?
<v Speaker 2>Didn't you just have a birthday? And what was it?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was earlier than yours.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how old are you.
<v Speaker 3>I'm forty two.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you're the youngest. No, No, forty five. John's
<v Speaker 2>forty just turned forty. Happy birthday. Gosh, happy birthday, man.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Happy birthday, John and an old soul. Now, wait
<v Speaker 3>a minute, your birthday is very close to life day.
<v Speaker 3>What are we talking? Day?
<v Speaker 1>December sixth, Oh, dang.
<v Speaker 3>That was a couple of weeks.
<v Speaker 1>So it's close. It was close.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, John, you're forty Dennis, held, are you forty nine?
<v Speaker 3>That's okay, I'm forty seven.
<v Speaker 2>I'm forty five, so I'm square in the middle of you, guys.
<v Speaker 2>I just we were trying to remember what we really
<v Speaker 2>remember about watching the Star Wars Holiday special.
<v Speaker 3>Dennis, did you see this in the original?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 6>Actually we did. We saw it on TV the actual run.
<v Speaker 6>The only thing that I can remember back then was
<v Speaker 6>I remember the big like kind of like, I have
<v Speaker 6>a big memory the treehouse, the Stormtroopers up there, and
<v Speaker 6>I remember like Han Solo rushing in, and I do
<v Speaker 6>remember Luke being on there and looking different than he
<v Speaker 6>did in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>We were just talking. So I definitely am old enough
<v Speaker 3>to remember going to see Star Wars in the theaters,
<v Speaker 3>But so I was born in seventy three, so seventy
<v Speaker 3>seven I would be four. But it was released several times,
<v Speaker 3>so it was released in seventy seven, it was re
<v Speaker 3>released in seventy eight and seventy nine, so I'm not
<v Speaker 3>sure which. I remember having a C threebo figure in
<v Speaker 3>my hand when I went, so it couldn't have been
<v Speaker 3>the original run. I don't know. It's tough trying to
<v Speaker 3>put together those memories. But Star Wars was a hugely
<v Speaker 3>important thing in my life still is really, so.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the original, the actual Star Wars I did see
<v Speaker 6>in the theater. I mean I had because I had
<v Speaker 6>four older brothers, so I was in that situation where
<v Speaker 6>I was going to get dragged along to the theater
<v Speaker 6>with them. So I saw a lot of movies when
<v Speaker 6>I was realted. I look back now and I'm like, wow,
<v Speaker 6>I saw that when I was like five or six
<v Speaker 6>or seven, and you kind of remember. But I do
<v Speaker 6>remember having like nightmare dreams a little bit over the
<v Speaker 6>original Star Wars, just about stormtroopers chasing me through Kmart
<v Speaker 6>like it.
<v Speaker 1>It was more for me.
<v Speaker 4>The original original Star Wars I saw in eighty one.
<v Speaker 4>I would have been like one or two years old.
<v Speaker 4>But I know this for a fact because and I
<v Speaker 4>saw it at home, didn't see it in the theater,
<v Speaker 4>because I was born in eighty My dad and I
<v Speaker 4>remember him telling this. He must have lorded this over
<v Speaker 4>us for a while. He must have spent something like
<v Speaker 4>eight hundred dollars nine hundred dollars on a VCR back
<v Speaker 4>in eighty one, and he only had enough money left
<v Speaker 4>over to by one VHS tape because they were about
<v Speaker 4>eighty or ninety bucks apiece at the time, and so
<v Speaker 4>he bought the original Star Wars. I still have that
<v Speaker 4>VHS tape sitting somewhere in a box I will I
<v Speaker 4>won't play it because it'll get ripped to shreds if
<v Speaker 4>I do.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I still have that.
<v Speaker 4>And that was So that was like my babysitter for
<v Speaker 4>a while, because my parents realized if they stuck me
<v Speaker 4>in front of the TV and put that on, I'm
<v Speaker 4>not crawling away. I'm not going anywhere. I'm locked in.
<v Speaker 4>So that was that was the start of my Star
<v Speaker 4>Wars life affair.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so on a scale of one to ten, with
<v Speaker 2>ten being the most nerdy Star Wars fan that you
<v Speaker 2>can be and one being you saw one of the movies,
<v Speaker 2>where do you get where do you guys from this?
<v Speaker 4>This one goes to eleven? Okay, now that's for me. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>for me, it's I'm I'm a ten. If there's something
<v Speaker 4>higher than ten, sure, like I'm the one. If bo
<v Speaker 4>was on here, he would tell you don't play Star
<v Speaker 4>Wars trivia pursuit with me. I had a buddy that
<v Speaker 4>I went to a I wanted to go to a
<v Speaker 4>Star Wars trivia at a bar that's that's up in
<v Speaker 4>one of the towns up here. And I didn't want
<v Speaker 4>to be the lonely dork sitting there by myself doing
<v Speaker 4>Star Wars trivia. So a friend of mine went with me,
<v Speaker 4>and he's like, I like Star Wars, but I'm not
<v Speaker 4>gonna be able to answer any of these questions. And
<v Speaker 4>so I single handedly answered every single question right and
<v Speaker 4>I won. I mean I was in a room of
<v Speaker 4>like eighty other people. I won just by myself versus
<v Speaker 4>these teams of like eight to ten people. So and
<v Speaker 4>I dressed my family up, like we go to the
<v Speaker 4>comic book conventions here in Chicago, and my kids are
<v Speaker 4>dressed up. My daughter was the Mandalorian, my wife was
<v Speaker 4>Casta knew that the Jedi Library in the last time
<v Speaker 4>we went. You know, I've done Luke Skywalker all the no.
<v Speaker 4>If you yeah, I go to eleven. We'll put it
<v Speaker 4>that way.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what about you?
<v Speaker 5>Well, if John is a ten like I, I've never
<v Speaker 5>like been on an Okay, John's eleven. I mean I
<v Speaker 5>don't know. I would. I would definitely say like an
<v Speaker 5>eight or nine the last like a ten. I mean,
<v Speaker 5>how much do I love Star Wars? I would say
<v Speaker 5>a ten. As far as like just having that knowledge,
<v Speaker 5>I think it would kind of be an insult to
<v Speaker 5>John if I kind of ranked myself in his category
<v Speaker 5>of just having that knowledge. So that's that's the only
<v Speaker 5>thing that I knocked myself down a little bit on.
<v Speaker 5>But how much do I love Star Wars?
<v Speaker 3>Oh?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because I mean I remember, you know, like some
<v Speaker 5>of my earliest members playing with the neighbor, and like
<v Speaker 5>I had a friend and she would come over and
<v Speaker 5>I had I had dark hair, so I was Han Solo.
<v Speaker 5>My friend was blonde, so he was Luke Skywalker. And
<v Speaker 5>then I had a friend that would come over and
<v Speaker 5>she'd be Princess Leah. I mean from the earliest memories,
<v Speaker 5>I remember having the toys, playing with the toys, grabbing
<v Speaker 5>dowel rods, or breaking the broom part off a broom
<v Speaker 5>handle and then taping it up to make a lightsaber.
<v Speaker 5>And I mean doing all those things and just like
<v Speaker 5>like super early memories. It's Star Wars was always a.
<v Speaker 1>Part of it.
<v Speaker 5>I in fact, like one of my earliest I remember
<v Speaker 5>Empire Strikes Back because I was too when Empire came out,
<v Speaker 5>and I remember being taken to the theater to see it,
<v Speaker 5>and my parents deny that up and down. But like
<v Speaker 5>I remember getting freaked out with the Imperial Walkers scene.
<v Speaker 5>I mean in that scene. Still I watch it and
<v Speaker 5>it it activates something in the reptilian brain.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like you know, drawn to that. But I
<v Speaker 5>remember getting like a shoebox like you'd buy shoes, and
<v Speaker 5>the shoe box you could it up and it had
<v Speaker 5>some little like pieces you could play with and it
<v Speaker 5>was like a little your shoe box became this playset
<v Speaker 5>that looked like hath like it had a little picture
<v Speaker 5>of the Millennium falcon and you know, so I mean
<v Speaker 5>all these like super early memories of being a kid
<v Speaker 5>and playing with that and all that and I mean
<v Speaker 5>it was like Star Wars was always there, you know,
<v Speaker 5>you as soon as the books started coming out, before
<v Speaker 5>when there were only three movies, picking up all the books,
<v Speaker 5>reading all the books, talking about it with friends, you know,
<v Speaker 5>the idea that there's going to be a prequel series.
<v Speaker 5>What no, really?
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, look at it, dude.
<v Speaker 5>It says episode four. That means there's one two it
<v Speaker 5>like just I just remember spending hours talking about that,
<v Speaker 5>and so anyways, I won't get too long winded, but
<v Speaker 5>I would definitely say eight or nine. I mean, i'd
<v Speaker 5>say ten, but I can't compare it to John's level
<v Speaker 5>of Star Wars intelligence and dedication, So I wouldn't want
<v Speaker 5>to put myself in his class of that. But love
<v Speaker 5>for Star Wars, Yeah, I definitely put it up there,
<v Speaker 5>all right, Dani's You're next?
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I would very much echoing a lot
<v Speaker 6>of what Pat says, especially when John says at ten
<v Speaker 6>or eleven. Now, I would say during when I was younger,
<v Speaker 6>when you know, from New Hope to Empire Strikes Back,
<v Speaker 6>when those all originally came out. As a kid, I'd
<v Speaker 6>be up there with eleven with John. I mean, we
<v Speaker 6>had everything, we were involved. I mean it was it
<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, you were, you were just you were
<v Speaker 6>all in with that and just waiting to do whatever
<v Speaker 6>you had to do to get there to see that
<v Speaker 6>movie on opening day we saw I remember seeing Empire
<v Speaker 6>Strikes back when it first came out, like first day,
<v Speaker 6>opening day, waiting in line. And then the same thing
<v Speaker 6>with Jedi. It was like we had to see those.
<v Speaker 6>Now that I'm you know, elderly, it's like, now you
<v Speaker 6>get to the point where with all the other movies,
<v Speaker 6>I would say, similar thing with Pat, where there's people
<v Speaker 6>who are still so very die hard about that all
<v Speaker 6>the way up to whatever comes out. While I love
<v Speaker 6>it at a ten, my knowledge and probably fan qualifications,
<v Speaker 6>we'd probably closer to like the eighth.
<v Speaker 1>So I'd put it probably like around an eight. That
<v Speaker 1>would be fair.
<v Speaker 6>Otherwise, like you said, like Pat perfectly said, it's kind
<v Speaker 6>of an insult to anybody who's at ten. If you're
<v Speaker 6>gonna set ten is the benchmark and John is an eleven, I.
<v Speaker 2>Gotta go down to about eight, maybe eight and a half,
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 3>So you got George Lucas and John as a ten,
<v Speaker 3>and then we've dropping down just a little bit lower
<v Speaker 3>than that, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>John May maybe above George. I don't know that he
<v Speaker 2>cares as much about.
<v Speaker 3>His George Lucas John Jon Favreau, Where are you Okay?
<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad to be here with you guys, because
<v Speaker 2>I know that Jason rinks far above me as well.
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna put himself in the same area that you
<v Speaker 2>guys are at. So I watched all of the movies,
<v Speaker 2>and I can tell you things about all of the movies.
<v Speaker 2>And when I was a kid, I had Star Wars
<v Speaker 2>sheets on my bed, and I played with the figurines,
<v Speaker 2>but I was not action figures, figurines, figurines whatever. I
<v Speaker 2>played with those a little bit, probably as much as
<v Speaker 2>I played with the Ga Joe guys, but it was
<v Speaker 2>I don't have I don't have the nerd knowledge base
<v Speaker 2>on this one. I obviously have it on a whole
<v Speaker 2>lot of other things, plenty of nerdness over here, but
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars is not my wheelhouse. So I would say
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably a five, okay, all right? For me?
<v Speaker 3>I would say for the original trilogy, I would say
<v Speaker 3>I'm a ten, But I dropped. I start dropping after that.
<v Speaker 3>So the prequels was very I was opening day guy,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, very interested in those. I was a
<v Speaker 3>little bit let down, and you know the books and
<v Speaker 3>the comics, I kind of fade. But four, five, and
<v Speaker 3>six for me, I'm top of the heat. Probably so
<v Speaker 3>very very meaningful movies to me change my life.
<v Speaker 2>So I said, we should probably break up the conversations
<v Speaker 2>that we'll have from time to time by doing a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of trivia. And my intention was to bring
<v Speaker 2>some Star Wars trivia. And Jason actually has the Star
<v Speaker 2>Wars trivial pursuit, but I forgot mine. But I happened
<v Speaker 2>to have eighties and nineties trivia cards in my car
<v Speaker 2>are So I said to Jason, I'm like, this is
<v Speaker 2>actually good because I would just fail miserably at the
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars trivia. But we will break it up from
<v Speaker 2>time to time with some Star Wars trivia and see
<v Speaker 2>see if you guys have accurately. Are you ready ranked yourself? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'll let me do one. Let me go first, since
<v Speaker 2>I'm the guy that doesn't know the Star Wars stuff,
<v Speaker 2>I'll be the question here. All right, Okay, what is
<v Speaker 2>the first line of dialogue spoken in a New Hope? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Jason has his hand up he's wrung his buzzer. Pat,
<v Speaker 2>you have your hand up, and John, do you know it?
<v Speaker 1>I think I do. You guys had your hands up first,
<v Speaker 1>but I think I know it.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say it's C three PO saying
<v Speaker 3>they've shut down the main reactor will be destroyed for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's C three PO saying did you hear that?
<v Speaker 5>I think I might want to put my hand down. Okay,
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say, I was going to say
<v Speaker 5>they've shut down the main reactor, but I didn't remember
<v Speaker 5>then the next part, so I don't remember the portion
<v Speaker 5>of it. Portion of it is C three people saying
<v Speaker 5>they've shut down the main reaction.
<v Speaker 6>That John is correct on that, because I I think
<v Speaker 6>that other line comes either like a couple of sentences in.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's did you hear that they've shut down
<v Speaker 3>the main reactor?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that is the correct answer, did you hear that
<v Speaker 2>they shut down the main reactor? So I don't know
<v Speaker 2>who would give credit to on that one, because you
<v Speaker 2>were close, but I got to say that John got
<v Speaker 2>the first at least four words spot on. So I'm gonna.
<v Speaker 6>Technically, did R two D two beep or anything before that?
<v Speaker 6>Would that counted as dialogue? I maybe was he responding
<v Speaker 6>back to him or was he actually the first line?
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Dang, dang, it's good.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's life, It's life day. It's a group effort.
<v Speaker 4>I mean we got, you know, we got the first
<v Speaker 4>couple of lines together as a collective thing.
<v Speaker 3>So all right, well, are we ready to dive into
<v Speaker 3>the Star Wars Holiday special?
<v Speaker 1>Dive into this thing like a pool we didn't know
<v Speaker 1>was empty?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, like we said, this was released on November seventeenth,
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy eight. The budget was about a million bucks.
<v Speaker 1>On this.
<v Speaker 2>Already charged that much.
<v Speaker 3>Million dollars, one million bucks in nineteen seventy eight. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>what was Star Wars' budget? I mean it wasn't tons.
<v Speaker 5>You know, well, anything that resembled a special effect was
<v Speaker 5>all like a like a like a.
<v Speaker 6>Grab from the movie.
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know what they spent.
<v Speaker 3>They stole a lot of stuff, you know, footage from
<v Speaker 3>the original Star Wars on this, clearly, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>The original the budget the budget for the original Star
<v Speaker 4>Wars movie is eleven million.
<v Speaker 3>Eleven million bucks.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is at least his tenth A good ten good.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>If Star Wars is a ten, then this is a
<v Speaker 3>one right right.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, this is the worst score I've ever
<v Speaker 2>seen on IMDb. It ranks two point one on IMDb
<v Speaker 2>out of ten. I have never seen a score that
<v Speaker 2>bad in my life. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, have you guys? Did I take it that you
<v Speaker 3>guys watched the on YouTube? There's one particular showing of
<v Speaker 3>it from a Ohio TV station that's really clear. Yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 3>I oh, I believe Channel seven and Dayton has this
<v Speaker 3>wonderful copy on YouTube. If you haven't seen it yet
<v Speaker 3>and you're listening to this and you want to throw
<v Speaker 3>away at an hour in thirty seven minutes of your life,
<v Speaker 3>check it out on YouTube. It is crystal cleare pretty
<v Speaker 3>good quality.
<v Speaker 2>Grab a beer.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the quality of that one is great. And having
<v Speaker 4>seen this probably like six or seven years ago, this
<v Speaker 4>was a second watch for me, or a second like
<v Speaker 4>all the way through watch for me. And I will
<v Speaker 4>say it was funny already knowing when I was getting
<v Speaker 4>myself in when I started watching this, you know, just
<v Speaker 4>a few days ago when that YouTube video popped up
<v Speaker 4>and it actually starts before the special starts, and it's
<v Speaker 4>like The Incredible Hulk will not be shown tonight, and
<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting there going, oh, man, Incredible Hulk, I'd.
<v Speaker 1>Much rather watch that.
<v Speaker 2>You put me on the on the Incredible Hulk Nerd scale,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm a ten. It's solid ten on the Incredible
<v Speaker 2>I had when my brother would go get baseball cards,
<v Speaker 2>I would only get Incredible Hulk cards. I obsessed over
<v Speaker 2>Luf Rigno. I watched every movie he was in, even
<v Speaker 2>the ones that were well, they were all bad.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, But the question, the question is when you
<v Speaker 4>walk out of a room, do you have the Lonely
<v Speaker 4>Man theme queued up on your phone to play?
<v Speaker 2>I put my head down and then if you pull
<v Speaker 2>it up and roar.
<v Speaker 5>Do people not want to make you angry?
<v Speaker 2>It would like anyone I'm angry?
<v Speaker 1>Okay?
<v Speaker 3>When his eyes turned tail blue, just run for the hill,
<v Speaker 3>all right. So this was broadcast on a Friday, right
<v Speaker 3>around Thanksgiving. Like we said, November seventeen, thirteen million people
<v Speaker 3>watch this. It finished second behind The Love Boat.
<v Speaker 2>Let's be specific. Thirteen million people watched about the first
<v Speaker 2>hour of this, and then there was a unanimous click
<v Speaker 2>heard around the world as people turned their TV dial
<v Speaker 2>to some other channel besides CBS.
<v Speaker 4>It's as if it's as if a million voices suddenly
<v Speaker 4>cried out error.
<v Speaker 1>Was suddenly silenced.
<v Speaker 2>I I got it. This one started off. It was
<v Speaker 2>a pitch by CBS to Lucas and they wanted to
<v Speaker 2>do it, and Lucas saw this as an opportunity to
<v Speaker 2>make more money with the action figures and other merchandise
<v Speaker 2>and so. But their plan was to do a like
<v Speaker 2>a combination of Star Wars and a variety show. Because
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, variety shows were the thing, right you
<v Speaker 2>had the Carol Burnett Show, and you had like there
<v Speaker 2>were a bunch of the Mandrel Sisters. Yeah, yeah, there
<v Speaker 2>were a ton of those kind of variety shows. But
<v Speaker 2>actually by nineteen seventy eight people had kind of gotten
<v Speaker 2>tired of them. So it was a really dated idea
<v Speaker 2>that they decided to go ahead with.
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Well, and frankly, I mean, you guys are probably
<v Speaker 4>gonna mention this, but frankly, on paper, this it looks
<v Speaker 4>like this should have been fine. Like they had they
<v Speaker 4>had some pretty good talent lined up for this. I
<v Speaker 4>mean they had Art Carney, I mean, they had Harvey Korman,
<v Speaker 4>they I mean yeah, on paper.
<v Speaker 6>When you said on paper you meant cast I wanted
<v Speaker 6>you to make sure that not writing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Oh the writers. No, I think the writers, and I
<v Speaker 1>think writers.
<v Speaker 6>If I read this like a screenplay I have, I'm lost.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, the writers. I think.
<v Speaker 4>In fact, some of the writers even admitted that they
<v Speaker 4>were coked out of their minds when they made this.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the the original script actually sounded like it might
<v Speaker 2>have been pretty good. Like Lumpy disappears and they're trying
<v Speaker 2>to track him down. That sounded like it might have
<v Speaker 2>been a little bit more interesting story than waiting for GOODO.
<v Speaker 2>I mean waiting for Chewbacca.
<v Speaker 3>Chewbacca dead, be dead?
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, So that brings me to my point is
<v Speaker 2>this is something where I'm just like, how do we
<v Speaker 2>have a guy who is working as a smuggler as
<v Speaker 2>his job as the family man, who has a kid
<v Speaker 2>and a wife and a dad at home, and he's
<v Speaker 2>got a nice house too. I thought these guys were
<v Speaker 2>barely scraping by, and I mean he's living in what
<v Speaker 2>I would consider a mouse.
<v Speaker 4>Threehouse's that's spice money.
<v Speaker 5>I'm Jason, I'm really glad to hear you say that.
<v Speaker 5>Because I thought, for when you said dead be dad, like,
<v Speaker 5>I thought, oh, man, I'm watching this with two mod
<v Speaker 5>of a lens. I gotta keep a lid on this tonight.
<v Speaker 1>I don't.
<v Speaker 5>But then I watched that. That's kind of what I
<v Speaker 5>kept thinking was he's is that his kid or is
<v Speaker 5>that his little brother? Like I don't And then and
<v Speaker 5>then yeah, I don't know that I bumped on that
<v Speaker 5>as well.
<v Speaker 4>Pat don't answer this question, but how do you feel
<v Speaker 4>about Superman and Superman returns?
<v Speaker 3>I'm with I'm with you, I know where I'm with you.
<v Speaker 3>One of the cool things about the Star Wars Holiday
<v Speaker 3>Special in nineteen seventy eight, you actually do get Mark
<v Speaker 3>Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Harrison Ford as Hans Solo, you
<v Speaker 3>get carry Fisher with the buns. You get Peter.
<v Speaker 2>Mayhew the whole buns. Let's talk. I'm sure she had
<v Speaker 2>very nice buns.
<v Speaker 3>Carry Fisher had nice buns, for sure. By return of
<v Speaker 3>the Jet, well, okay, Peter Mayhew's you have Anthony Daniels
<v Speaker 3>at C three PO Kenny Baker for whatever reason, not
<v Speaker 3>there not there they use the remote control Art D two.
<v Speaker 2>And so his introduction was R two D two as him,
<v Speaker 2>so two D two right, and then you have James
<v Speaker 2>Earl Jones who did not Yeah, he did not get
<v Speaker 2>credit in the original Star Wars.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So this is the first time that you hear that
<v Speaker 2>Darth Vader is James Earl Jones.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So that to me as a kid, I mean
<v Speaker 3>even as an adult, that part of me where I
<v Speaker 3>want to absorb anything from a new hope, right, anything
<v Speaker 3>from a new hope I loved particularly I loved The
<v Speaker 3>Muppet Show with Mark hammelin stuff like that. As a kid,
<v Speaker 3>I love that stuff. Anything extra I can get my
<v Speaker 3>hands on was awesome. And these segments are bad. But
<v Speaker 3>it is those characters, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean they are still their characters, except
<v Speaker 2>that Luke. For some reason. Here's the thing, So Luke
<v Speaker 2>can speak He's good buddies now for some reason with
<v Speaker 2>extended family. I can't believe that part out, like how
<v Speaker 2>he close with them, like knows their personality, like they've
<v Speaker 2>spent months and months together. But he also speaks their language.
<v Speaker 2>Until you get to the cartoon where c or C
<v Speaker 2>three po says, well, you need me to go with
<v Speaker 2>you so that I can translate what Chewbacca says. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, didn't we just see him talking in
<v Speaker 2>the Chewbacca language.
<v Speaker 4>To no, Because it's what it is is, Luke is
<v Speaker 4>playing a prank on Chewi. He absolutely knows how to
<v Speaker 4>speak the Wookie language, it's just Chewy he won't talk to.
<v Speaker 3>Well.
<v Speaker 5>And it's funny that you mentioned, you know, that feeling
<v Speaker 5>of Okay, all the stars were in there, and I
<v Speaker 5>get what you're saying. I mean that that's definitely like, wow,
<v Speaker 5>they they got those I mean, I kind of get
<v Speaker 5>the feel when when watching this, it's almost like watching
<v Speaker 5>a like an episode of Saturday Night Live right where
<v Speaker 5>they'll do a spoof on you know, they'll get the
<v Speaker 5>guest in and then they'll do a spoof on whatever
<v Speaker 5>movie that guest was in, where you know, the costumes are, oh,
<v Speaker 5>those look like the costumes from the movie, but they're
<v Speaker 5>just a little bit more silly, or they'll have the
<v Speaker 5>action from the movie, but it's a little bit more silly.
<v Speaker 5>And so that's kind of the lens that I kind
<v Speaker 5>of fell into as I'm like, oh, dude, because i'd
<v Speaker 5>never seen this before, you know, I watched it just
<v Speaker 5>within the last day or so, and I'm like I
<v Speaker 5>did because I'm like, I'm like, well, I don't want
<v Speaker 5>to go on the podcast and be like the guy
<v Speaker 5>that reads the first chapter of the book and then
<v Speaker 5>tries to do the book discussion. So I like went
<v Speaker 5>all the way through and the only thing that carried
<v Speaker 5>me through was just think of it like you would
<v Speaker 5>like sitting there watching like Saturday Night Live just not funny,
<v Speaker 5>And that's kind of what it was.
<v Speaker 1>Was.
<v Speaker 5>It was the variety show, and it had that flavor
<v Speaker 5>of Saturday Night Live where they're falling into their routines,
<v Speaker 5>but they're looking at the que cards right. The sets
<v Speaker 5>are are kind of made with a little bit of
<v Speaker 5>that campy thing that can't be feel but you're excited
<v Speaker 5>because it's like, oh wow, Harrison Ford is hosting Saturday
<v Speaker 5>Night Live, tonight or Mark and now all three, so
<v Speaker 5>that it was kind of a I kind of got
<v Speaker 5>that vibe from it, And maybe that was just the
<v Speaker 5>survival tactic of my brain. I'm not sure, but that
<v Speaker 5>was kind of what I felt watching the watching this.
<v Speaker 4>And then you start watching and you realize it's mid
<v Speaker 4>eighties Saturday Night Live.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, Like let's let's just let's set the Wookies
<v Speaker 7>House on fire once this season is done.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I made a reference a few minutes ago. I
<v Speaker 3>probably should explain it if you've never seen this holiday special.
<v Speaker 3>It revolves around Mala, who is Chewbacca's wife, Itchy who
<v Speaker 3>is Chewbacca's dad, and Lumpy, who is Chewbacca's son. Actually
<v Speaker 3>have better Wookie names, but that's what they call him
<v Speaker 3>on the show.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, they explained it later. The thing about this. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so one of the variety shows that was out at
<v Speaker 2>the time was this thing that probably nobody remembers called
<v Speaker 2>Shields and Yarnell, And so they got writers from Shields
<v Speaker 2>and Yarnell because it was like a mime couple and
<v Speaker 2>so you know, hey, we're going to be doing writing
<v Speaker 2>for people for wookies that don't speak, so this seems
<v Speaker 2>like the right writing folks. But that wasn't who they
<v Speaker 2>ended up with. Ultimately, they ended up with Pat Proft,
<v Speaker 2>who he wrote Hot Shots, Scary Movie, Real genius. And
<v Speaker 2>then Bruce flanch who he you know who he is, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Squares all the time. He was a part of
<v Speaker 2>the Adam Sandler Johan thing, and he would write for
<v Speaker 2>Comic Relief and the Oscar shows. So with those guys Intel,
<v Speaker 2>you'd think, hey, this is going to be a well
<v Speaker 2>written thing.
<v Speaker 3>With Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and George Luke is kind
<v Speaker 3>of kind of doing the story.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you get Art Carney, who is a comedic actor.
<v Speaker 2>I really wish he had done this part as Ed Norton.
<v Speaker 2>That would have been the best if he had. If
<v Speaker 2>he had just been just that would have been fantastic. Hey,
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. He his character was originally supposed to
<v Speaker 2>be Lando.
<v Speaker 3>I heard this.
<v Speaker 2>He was like he was, and they they obviously watered
<v Speaker 2>it down, but his his character was supposed to be
<v Speaker 2>not involved in like trinket trade, but like human trade.
<v Speaker 2>And so you can see the similarity of Lando's character,
<v Speaker 2>but you can also see the similarity and how he's
<v Speaker 2>backing down on Mala when he comes in like old
<v Speaker 2>Billy d Williams.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was I mean that there were I did.
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure we're probably gonna get more into this, but
<v Speaker 4>good lord, there were some really awkward, really awkward scenes,
<v Speaker 4>awkward comments, awkward looks. In fact, that the scene you're
<v Speaker 4>talking about when he comes in and he's talking to
<v Speaker 4>Mala either on that first one with a view screen
<v Speaker 4>when he's talking to her and he has like the
<v Speaker 4>worst possible secret code ever? Was that what he's trying
<v Speaker 4>to explain? That the yeah that you know, that shaggy
<v Speaker 4>carpet that you ordered, I know what you're calling. It's
<v Speaker 4>it's on its way. It's gonna arrive at your house.
<v Speaker 4>You know, just there was this little woman like four
<v Speaker 4>planets away. She did it by herself. In fact, you
<v Speaker 4>might say she did it by hand so low, which is.
<v Speaker 2>Why Williams pronounces his name wrong and all.
<v Speaker 4>Right, but yeah, I mean you've got those scenes where
<v Speaker 4>there's just these awkward looks and kind of when he
<v Speaker 4>first came in, you know, in person, to the house,
<v Speaker 4>and the way he was looking at and talking to Mala.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, dude, it's Chewbaca's wife. I mean, I know
<v Speaker 4>he's not around. But then the first thought that jumped
<v Speaker 4>in my head, this is how twisted it was. The
<v Speaker 4>first thought that jumped in my head was Rizzo, the
<v Speaker 4>rat from Muppets, Take Manhattan and Go. Have you ever
<v Speaker 4>considered interspecies dating?
<v Speaker 3>Hey, speaking of that, I mean, our party's all over, Mala,
<v Speaker 3>Princess Lea's kind of got her hands all over Chewbacca
<v Speaker 3>through during the Red Robe ceremony.
<v Speaker 2>And obviously Itchy is very human females as well, since
<v Speaker 2>Diane Carroll is just a projection of his own imagination,
<v Speaker 2>should we just talk about that?
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's I mean, it's never quite explained exactly what
<v Speaker 4>Life Day celebrates, so and we don't see I don't
<v Speaker 4>think we see the full ceremony. I'm starting to think
<v Speaker 4>that maybe like there's a password to get into Life
<v Speaker 4>Day that you know, only Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman
<v Speaker 4>know about. And everybody's wearing masks and.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so Pat, I want to get your take. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>this is your first time to watch when you saw
<v Speaker 3>the virtual reality that Art Carneie hooks up Itchy with.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh man, I'm sitting there thinking, well, I'm sinner,
<v Speaker 5>trying to remember, like cause the VR, the kid could
<v Speaker 5>get into the VR too, right, and it Itchy was
<v Speaker 5>the dad.
<v Speaker 6>It she's the dad.
<v Speaker 5>It's like, well, first of all, like I could just
<v Speaker 5>think like they can't be going there, and then it
<v Speaker 5>was just like, no, I think they're going there. Pat,
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm talking to myself and it's just like, no,
<v Speaker 5>they really don't. And then I'm like, well, dude, is
<v Speaker 5>it the seventies? So, but I mean it was like, okay,
<v Speaker 5>so I'm just imagining. Okay, We're at the family get
<v Speaker 5>together and Dad needs to escape, so he's going to
<v Speaker 5>take the VR in the back room, and all of
<v Speaker 5>a sudden, this gale appears on screen, dancing out of
<v Speaker 5>the mist. It was sort of like the little fairy creatures, right,
<v Speaker 5>it was sort of and then it's like all your
<v Speaker 5>desires and all your this and all your dreams, and
<v Speaker 5>I was kind of I was kind of half listening
<v Speaker 5>to this thing, and it was like, yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 5>experience me, Matt, right, It's it's it's I'm gonna I'm
<v Speaker 5>gonna quote. I'm gonna quote John's favorite movie. And I'm
<v Speaker 5>sorry John, because you know you're gonna want to go
<v Speaker 5>off on the quotes there. But when he's like, good
<v Speaker 5>morning Vietnam and they're doing the they're doing the reviews
<v Speaker 5>for when the lieutenant tries to take over the show,
<v Speaker 5>and it was like the review was and he looks
<v Speaker 5>at it and he says, you stink eat a bag
<v Speaker 5>of you know, such and such. Any guys, this review
<v Speaker 5>is pretty explicit, sir, not too much gray area in
<v Speaker 5>that one. As soon as they got to that scene
<v Speaker 5>where all of a sudden, the gel's sitting there and
<v Speaker 5>what are your deepest desires or urges? I'm just like,
<v Speaker 5>that's pretty explicit. There's not too much grey area. They're
<v Speaker 5>they're going for what I think. And then I was like,
<v Speaker 5>was this a TV?
<v Speaker 2>Like?
<v Speaker 5>What the heck is going on? So that was my freaction.
<v Speaker 5>And then then I knew what was going on.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm wondering how many I'm wondering how many parents
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen seventy eight, I wonder how many parents are
<v Speaker 4>watching this with their kids?
<v Speaker 1>Hey, kids, Star Wars gather around the TV. Let yeah?
<v Speaker 4>And then this scene starts and the parents are like, no, play,
<v Speaker 4>what is kids? Why don't you go go get daddy
<v Speaker 4>another drink in the kitchen real quick? Let's leave the
<v Speaker 4>wrong I.
<v Speaker 2>Have I have heard from multiple sources that it was
<v Speaker 2>their intention, the writer's intention, to make this softcore, soft
<v Speaker 2>core porn that they could get into a TV show
<v Speaker 2>in prime time, And I've heard it from several places,
<v Speaker 2>but I have not heard why why would you do that?
<v Speaker 2>What possible motivation could you have?
<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say cocaine.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 4>It was one of the writers and producers was a
<v Speaker 4>Mitzi Welch, I think had said. I think she was
<v Speaker 4>the one quoted as saying, yeah, we just we wanted
<v Speaker 4>to try to get in some softcore porn into the
<v Speaker 4>as we want to see as far as we could
<v Speaker 4>push it, like, what could we get into this holiday special?
<v Speaker 4>And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm reading this quote. I'm
<v Speaker 4>sitting there thinking, there are at least seven things wrong
<v Speaker 4>with that sentence. How much of this can we get
<v Speaker 4>into that holiday special? Yeah, okay, all right, based on
<v Speaker 4>a kid's movie.
<v Speaker 3>But the funny thing is is I would say that
<v Speaker 3>that's not the worst thing about the special for me.
<v Speaker 3>The nine and a half minutes of Wookies talking with
<v Speaker 3>no subtitles.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, right, which I can understand somebody says, no, listen,
<v Speaker 2>Chewbacca doesn't have subtitles, so the Wookie talk doesn't have subtitles. Well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's great, But Chewbacca always had someone with him who
<v Speaker 2>could respond in such a way that you knew what
<v Speaker 2>he said. Nine and a half minutes of them running
<v Speaker 2>around the house, and here's the thing, here's what we
<v Speaker 2>found out this thing was supposed to only be an
<v Speaker 2>hour long, but when the when advertisers found out it
<v Speaker 2>was coming out, there were so many people begging to
<v Speaker 2>be on board, they decided to stretch it to basically
<v Speaker 2>a two hour special. And that's why you have so
<v Speaker 2>much time that you're just at the screen going what,
<v Speaker 2>what in the world? Why would anybody want to watch this?
<v Speaker 2>Who thought this was a good idea?
<v Speaker 4>And I remember reading that they told George Lucas at
<v Speaker 4>the time that because it was his idea to focus
<v Speaker 4>it around Chewbacca's family, And I remember reading something somewhere
<v Speaker 4>that they're like, Okay, George, this Wookie's talking for extended periods.
<v Speaker 4>It's not going to work. It's like, yes, Chewbacca can
<v Speaker 4>do it without without subtitles, but that's because Chewbacca is
<v Speaker 4>not standing there giving like Mark Anthony's speech from Julius Caesar.
<v Speaker 4>You know, he's not. It's not a soliloquy. It's it's
<v Speaker 4>he talks and Han responds or somebody else or C
<v Speaker 4>three po translates or And from my understanding, like that
<v Speaker 4>was that was almost the extent of George Lucas's participation
<v Speaker 4>was to basically say okay, fine do this thing, and hey,
<v Speaker 4>I think you should do it using Chewbacca's family as
<v Speaker 4>the focal point. And that's just yeah, it's and it's
<v Speaker 4>it's painful. It's painful in it, and it bothered me
<v Speaker 4>so much when I read. I was like, when I
<v Speaker 4>watched this for the first time, I didn't really look
<v Speaker 4>up to see who, like the producers were, and the
<v Speaker 4>and the costume design and everything else. And then when
<v Speaker 4>I did finally look that up, and I was like, good,
<v Speaker 4>these Wookie costumes. They look terrible, like Itchy just looks
<v Speaker 4>like Archie Bunker version of Chewbacca. And the sounds are
<v Speaker 4>just terrible in this. I mean it sounds lumpy every
<v Speaker 4>once in a while, sounds like you know when when
<v Speaker 4>et is kind of chittering and running around and doing
<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And then I looked it up and it's.
<v Speaker 4>It's Stan Winston did the creature designs, and it was
<v Speaker 4>Ben Burt did the sound, you know from the Star
<v Speaker 4>Wars movies.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting there going what happened to you guys?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Why did you let it?
<v Speaker 3>Was?
<v Speaker 1>It? Was it the well?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is the how doing their nose
<v Speaker 4>during every commercial break.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 2>So so George Lucas had a little bit of involvement
<v Speaker 2>with it. Before he had he had come, he'd watched
<v Speaker 2>dailies and the original director was actually a guy that
<v Speaker 2>went to USC with him. It was a guy named
<v Speaker 2>David A. Comba, And after like two days of shooting
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I can't forget this crap. Yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is terrible. I can't get along with the producers, and
<v Speaker 2>so they brought in this guy named Steve Binder. Now
<v Speaker 2>Steve Binder had done a couple of really big like
<v Speaker 2>he did the Petula Clark TV special which was in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight, which was a huge deal because it
<v Speaker 2>was like she was singing a duet with Harry Belafonte
<v Speaker 2>and touches his arm. It's part of the singing.
<v Speaker 3>Well.
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty eight, apparently that was a huge deal
<v Speaker 2>and people were like executives were like, we can't show
<v Speaker 2>this in the South. People will lose their minds. A
<v Speaker 2>white woman touched in the arm of a black man,
<v Speaker 2>and basically they did it anyway, and so it was
<v Speaker 2>a bit. He was a big part of that, and
<v Speaker 2>then he was also part of the Elvis Presley sixty
<v Speaker 2>eight comeback special, which was huge because nobody knew who
<v Speaker 2>the crap I mean, I said, didn't recognize Elvis anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Sixty eight he had lost all his fame and that
<v Speaker 2>really was a big comeback special for him. But the
<v Speaker 2>only information that he got from George Lucas was the
<v Speaker 2>Wookie Bible.
<v Speaker 1>That's it.
<v Speaker 2>That's all he had. That's just just the details of
<v Speaker 2>how they should look and behave, and that's all he's
<v Speaker 2>got going for.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean there's a lot of talent involved in
<v Speaker 3>this show.
<v Speaker 2>It just didn't come together.
<v Speaker 3>There was no real oversight.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, George Lucas, I I think you guys missed the
<v Speaker 6>quality acting with the eyes, like you knew what she
<v Speaker 6>was feeling by the long, slow close up that they
<v Speaker 6>held on her face for so long, like she really
<v Speaker 6>missed and loved Chewbacca and she was she did you.
<v Speaker 1>Look at that picture.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you need subtitles for that.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, anybody who's out there you know they love,
<v Speaker 6>can identify, and I think that's what they're making at
<v Speaker 6>As far as as far as John saying with the costumes, immediately,
<v Speaker 6>I did watch this with my seventeen year old son,
<v Speaker 6>which was hilarious because it was kind of like fun.
<v Speaker 6>He was excited about it first because I started watching
<v Speaker 6>it and then I said I brought it up and
<v Speaker 6>he's like, oh really, there was a special sum we
<v Speaker 6>started watching. I said, yeah, you're gonna sit down, you're
<v Speaker 6>gonna watch this. We start watching it literally on the
<v Speaker 6>TV because.
<v Speaker 2>We had pulled up through Apple TV or whatever.
<v Speaker 6>The quality looked really good, so we might have had
<v Speaker 6>the version that you had, but looked like Doctor SaaS
<v Speaker 6>from the Planet of the Apes that was like lumpy,
<v Speaker 6>like a young Doctor SaaS. And then if anybody's ever
<v Speaker 6>seen the Nairobi Trio from uh, what's his name?
<v Speaker 3>The TV GT.
<v Speaker 6>Ernie Kovacs, that's what it'sy remind him of you, You said,
<v Speaker 6>a cross between kind of Archie Bunker. But if you
<v Speaker 6>look at the costumes, if you just type in Nairobi Trio,
<v Speaker 6>black and white pictures might not look as good, but
<v Speaker 6>that mask, just his face and his lip, it just
<v Speaker 6>looked absolutely horrible.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was as wookies age their bottom lip grows.
<v Speaker 2>I like pulled up over.
<v Speaker 5>It, like, yeah, yeah, you know what, I'm sorry. I
<v Speaker 5>just have a quick question. You know, Dennis, you I'm curious.
<v Speaker 5>You know some of the stuff we were just talking about.
<v Speaker 5>You remember seeing this, and I guess I'm curious, like,
<v Speaker 5>did at any point when you were watching this, did
<v Speaker 5>you get like this isn't like as a kid, this
<v Speaker 5>isn't good, or like that scene where the Mystic Lady
<v Speaker 5>appeared out of the VR did that get awkward for you?
<v Speaker 5>And then flipping forward when you watch this with Hunter,
<v Speaker 5>did you bump on any of those things like, oh,
<v Speaker 5>this is not going the direction that I want to like,
<v Speaker 5>If you don't mind me asking, I'm just curious.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's fine.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm honestly like I started watching it prior,
<v Speaker 6>like a couple days ago, like a few days ago
<v Speaker 6>on my own, and then when it got to the
<v Speaker 6>weird bits and pieces, I was just like, whoa this?
<v Speaker 6>I like, I'm not but I still for the podcast.
<v Speaker 6>I need to watch the thing. I was like, all right,
<v Speaker 6>So it was.
<v Speaker 1>Put on hold.
<v Speaker 6>And then when Hunters sitting there watching it my son,
<v Speaker 6>it was we're eating kind of dinner and watching this
<v Speaker 6>and as it's going is just looking at his reactions.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I knew what the expect already like a
<v Speaker 6>lot of it because I was like, He's like, no,
<v Speaker 6>this is weird, Like it gets weird, and it was
<v Speaker 6>getting weirder and weirder. I will be honest, I can't
<v Speaker 6>see that I saw the whole entire version this time,
<v Speaker 6>because as this went on to keep him watching, I
<v Speaker 6>had to fast forward through any of the musical numbers
<v Speaker 6>get the head a little bit. I was like, all right,
<v Speaker 6>people are singing and dancing, skip ahead a little bit.
<v Speaker 6>All right, we're back with what that number is done.
<v Speaker 6>And then we go into the So anytime the kind
<v Speaker 6>of kicked into a musical number, we kind of like
<v Speaker 6>we skipped a little bit ahead. But I did get
<v Speaker 6>enough of the weird you know that weird vibe too,
<v Speaker 6>but okay, yeah, and then the b Arthur song just yeah,
<v Speaker 6>I was just like, once we're out of that, that
<v Speaker 6>felt like a total Muppet song skit, Like I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>That was bizarre and a little creepy. With uh, Harvey
<v Speaker 6>Corman coming in. I'm like, they really got Harvey Corman
<v Speaker 6>to like play as many parts as they could in
<v Speaker 6>this they like, I think he was the bulk of
<v Speaker 6>that million dollar budget there.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what.
<v Speaker 2>He was. He was on Just for who anybody who
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know Harvey Corman was on the Carrolbournett Show, which
<v Speaker 2>was one of those variety shows, and he was he was.
<v Speaker 3>The fourth funniest person on that show.
<v Speaker 2>Out of a cast of five or six.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was good in blazing saddles. Yeah, but my
<v Speaker 2>what I'd heard is he was kind of a prima
<v Speaker 2>donna on that show, and so this was probably a Hey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the New Star Wars special, Hahn pouring drinks
<v Speaker 2>from the top of my head and be a forearmed cook.
<v Speaker 6>One of the funny one of the funny things that
<v Speaker 6>we were saying, Like, as we're watching it, my son's like, so,
<v Speaker 6>is this the first one? Is this the first one?
<v Speaker 6>Like he was like thinking, was this before the And
<v Speaker 6>I go, what do you mean the first one? He goes,
<v Speaker 6>He goes, you know, the one was this before? Did
<v Speaker 6>this come before New Hope? And I'm like, this was
<v Speaker 6>the first one. If this was the first one, there
<v Speaker 6>wouldn't be a second one.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, right right, absolutely.
<v Speaker 6>There's no way anybody would have I think people I
<v Speaker 6>will say that I would be interesting to see how
<v Speaker 6>many people did stick with it. For the whole time,
<v Speaker 6>because when you said that a lot of people would
<v Speaker 6>have clicked off. I actually don't think so, because there's
<v Speaker 6>enough clips of like the live action, and then when
<v Speaker 6>you see Luke and you're you're just it kind of
<v Speaker 6>keeps you just enough to where you're about to turn
<v Speaker 6>it off. But you're hoping that this is going to
<v Speaker 6>get better and it's going to make sense. They give
<v Speaker 6>you enough of a little bit of Oh, Han solos
<v Speaker 6>in it, so he hasn't we haven't seen him, or
<v Speaker 6>you know, like you're thinking someone else is gonna come
<v Speaker 6>in and make this better and it's all of a
<v Speaker 6>sudden gonna take off, Like that's what you kind of
<v Speaker 6>keep thinking.
<v Speaker 4>Well, and you say, you say, Han Solo is in it,
<v Speaker 4>But every time I saw Harrison Ford on screen, I
<v Speaker 4>looked at his face, I'm like, I know that look.
<v Speaker 4>I know that's the look my thirteen year old has
<v Speaker 4>when we have to sit on the couch and do
<v Speaker 4>the family zoom once a week, people be there. That's
<v Speaker 4>what that look is.
<v Speaker 6>I was thinking, you know how you want to be
<v Speaker 6>killed off? I think this is the reason you wanted
<v Speaker 6>to be character.
<v Speaker 1>Like this.
<v Speaker 6>Probably did it like at this point.
<v Speaker 1>Look, look, George, I'm George.
<v Speaker 4>I'm really excited about the Empire strikes back.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, after the Holiday special, I need you to
<v Speaker 1>kill my character.
<v Speaker 8>All right, everybody that does it for this part. We're
<v Speaker 8>going to be back tomorrow with part two of the
<v Speaker 8>Star Wars Holiday Special. Be sure and go subscribe to
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<v Speaker 2>We will see you, Mark,