Hour 2 – Ben Pickman, Mark Schlereth

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio Our two.

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Speaker 2: On this Wednesday. We got a few things to dive into. Overtime in the NFL and the mess that is negotiations going on with the WNBA and the commissioner reportedly calling out Caitlin Clark. It's just these are negotiations, players calling out the commissioner. We'll have that coming up here momentarily eight seven seven to three DP Show more phone calls, we'll get to those. We say good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. That's our streaming partner. Merchandise store open for business, and the Passhole T shirt it's based off Todd's driving is available at dan patrick dot com. Today's the last day to get it. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Pantini America, the official trading cards of the DP Show. All Right, Seaton pull question, Yeah, can we go with cleanup hour one? And then what are we going to have our two?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: Alrighting your show?

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Speaker 5: Okay, more overrated in the postseason. Maybe it should be most overrated. Sure for all the English Majors Club history, intangibles, which team wanted more or last week's momentum right now? About forty nine percent of that vote at the club history.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's where you say, man, the Red Sox have really been successful. Okay, how many players on this team were on those other teams that were successful against the Yankees?

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Speaker 6: Yes, Paulin, this makes me as upset as it's a super Bowl rematch and the Super Bowl is like eighteen years ago, not a super Bowl rematch.

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Speaker 2: No, Tiger's over the Guardians, clubs over the Padres. Dodgers get a couple of home runs from show Heyo Tani. One of the two sounded like this.

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Speaker 7: On a one to one, Oh Tani, it's a towering ball deep rightfield.

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Speaker 3: He flips the bad bad.

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Speaker 7: Watches it fly three quarters of the way up the Oh you just a mammoth blast for his second home run, and the Dodgers are pouring it on at Gabe.

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Speaker 2: One, Dodgers Radio Network with the Phillies and the Dodgers. You must tune in right away because Otani leads off, Kyle Schwarber leads off. This isn't one of those Marquise Grissom's gonna set the table here, it's Otani is in the box and something could happen. Kyle Schwarber the same way Red Sox beat the Yankees three to one.

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Speaker 3: Poll question for Hour two, Seaton. I'll throw this one out there. I could use your help populating it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, publicly calling out the commission of your league by name.

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Speaker 3: Is dot dot.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of words that come to mind.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Let me bring in Ben Pickman, he is covering the situation WNBA reporter for the Athletic. Before I get to you, Ben, I want to play Nofisia Collier had. Now, this is just a portion of what she had to say about the WNBA commissioner, Kathy Engelberg at.

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Speaker 8: Unarrival this past February. I sat a car across from Kathy and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues in our league. Her response was, will only the losers complain about the refs? I also asked how she planned to fix the fact that players like Caitlin Angel and Page, who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are making so little for their first four years. Her response was, Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court, because without the platform that the WNBA gives her, she wouldn't make anything. And in that same conversation, she told me players should be on their knees thanking their lucky stars for the media ritesteal that I got them.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, well, Ben pick it up from there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you could have picked any number of sound bites. I mean, think about any other player in any other sport doing what Nafisa Collier did. I mean, this is a potentially seminal moment in WNBA history. I just want to know how your production crew decided on those clips and not the clip of you know, Nafisa Collier's saying that right now, the WNBA has the worst leadership in the world. I mean, this was four minutes of just going scorched earth and frankly telling a lot of things that seemingly a lot of players, a lot of executives, a lot of people around the league team wise.

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Speaker 10: Tend to agree with.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with her?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think there's certainly a lot of valid criticism in what she said. I'm not going to go so far to say that Kathy Engelbert is part of the worst leadership in the world, but I think a lot of what she said is a lot of what you know, someone like me here is in private. I mean, my phone was blowing up Tuesday from you know, the moment that the FISA Collier's comments finished with a lot of people really commending her for saying the quiet part out loud, and the FISA Collier did say this in her own comments that you know, I'm not going to keep things private anymore. She's calling for accountability transparency, not just on officiating but on broader league wide matters too.

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Speaker 2: But they have added five teams. I mean, you know that let's look at what sides here, because the commissioner has done some good things, but this is negotiations and that's where it's a war, and this is one of the most this might be the most important moment in WNBA history as we move forward.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's important to call that out because since Kathy Engelbert has been the commissioner, it's around six years now at this point, a lot has changed in the WNBA. I mean, Kathy Engelbert used to say that the WNBA was in an existential moment.

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Speaker 10: That was the word that she used. In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: There was a potential that if they didn't play a bubble season, would the league even exist? And so a lot has changed since then. Just look at recent years. A fifty million dollar expansion fee for the Golden State Valkyries in September twenty twenty three, that was two fifty million this summer. I mean that is crazy growth. The New York Liberty a four hundred and fifty million dollar valuation this summer. That is all under Kathy Engelbert's watch. But what Nafiza Kalier is also saying is the players are really driving that. I mean, that is what we heard or what you can hear when she retells that story involving Caitlin Clark, Like that is a clear story of hitting the players against management. And yes, this is a really intense negotiation, and you know these comments are not going to do anything to put less fuel on the fire of anything.

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Speaker 10: It's going to explode from here on out.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark's WNBA salary was seventy eight thousand. Yeah, so it's slotted that she's going to make seventy eight thousand. Yes, she makes all that money off the court. But should Caitlin Clark be grateful that she makes sixteen million dollars off the court, according to the commissioner through Nafisia Collier.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we should say the commissioner said she was disheartened by the characterization of those comments, and this was an a FISA Collier relaying them. But I mean think about that kind of tactical move or that decision to include Caitlin Clark in this conversation. And we should say Innfisa Collier and Kitlin Clark they shared the same agent, right, So I don't think it's a coincidence that both of those players are that Caitlin Clark's name rather was mentioned in this four and a half minute statement by Nafisa Kallier, like there is a knowledge know how.

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Speaker 3: Going on there.

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Speaker 9: Kitlin Clark obviously super super important to the league. And one of the questions that you know, I was fielding yesterday was yes, Kathy Engelbert is you know, has been the commissioner over this period of growth. But if you look at the next fifteen years of the league, Dan, who is more important to the health the growth of the league? Kathy Engelbert if she's around that long, or Kitlin Clark. I think the answer there is is pretty clear.

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Speaker 2: Well, does Caitlin Clark need the WNBA more than the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: Needs Caitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 10: I mean, that is another big question.

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Speaker 9: I feel like you could write books and articles and found articles. Certainly Caitlin Clark is worth you know, millions, if not. You know, I did a story earlier this season, she could be worth up to a billion dollars. Some people told me two women's sports more generally, and so yeah, I mean, Kitlin Clark's certainly a big driver in the broader WNBA revenue conversation, the change of the business right.

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Speaker 2: And the commissioner responded, I'm not going to read the whole statement, but she was complimentary Tonfisia Collier, who's a very bright woman. You know, started the unrivaled league. It's a side league, not a competing league. But where does this go from here?

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Speaker 10: Where does it go? That is a great question.

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Speaker 9: I mean, as you mentioned, the league and the players are in this contentious CBA negotiation. The deal currently expires October thirty. First, we'll see if they reach an extension or if you know, there is a work stoppage, whether it is just in the off season or down the line, may twenty twenty six is when the twenty twenty sixth season would begin, so we will see where things go. I think the tensions have only heightened from here on out. How could they not knowing that Afisa Kllier said what she said, knowing that so many players have supported her, Knowing that now there's so many more eyeballs on the WNBA and what is going on because of her comments like that is what is so fascinating about this really remarkable, remarkable for minute statement than a Fisa Callier gave on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: There's only a certain piece of the pie available here, Ben that I know. We look at leagues and we go they should be paid more. Well, this it comes down to math. It's just it's that amount of money that's available. We split it up and that's what everybody is going to share it. Now you're adding five new franchises, so now that piece of the pie gets carved up a little bit more. And they did sign what eleven year, two billion dollar, two point two billion dollar TV deal. There's a lot of progress here. I'm just I worry. I thought that they trip themselves up with the Caitlyn Clark situation. Nobody knew how to deal with her. Officials didn't be you know, the opposition of their players. They weren't all in on her. Hey, we've got Diana Tarazzi and all the people who started the league. I still don't know if they know how to handle Caitlyn Clark moving forward, because she is different than anybody else in the sport.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, she definitely is.

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Speaker 9: But I want to go back to your point on splitting the pie because I think it's really important here because what makes the WNBA so unique in this context is that also it is owned by the NBA that Kathy Engelbert reports up to Adam Silver, Right, So there are other stakeholders here other than just WNBA owners who are important in this conversation.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 9: So it's not just what do the owners of the WNBA think, because even that phrase owners of the WNBA is a really muddled phrase.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 9: You have a number of franchises that are owned by the same people that also own NBA teams. Forty two percent of the league is owned by the NBA, for instance, forty two percent is owned by WNBA owners. But in that forty two percent, well, there's some people who are in both pots here, right, and then there is another pot of sixteen that also includes some people who are in both of those other pots. That is what makes the WNBA's situation about how to proceed, whether it relates to Kathy Engelbert and her job status, whether it relates to the CBA. That's part of what makes it so tricky, so unique, is there are so many stakeholders in this conversation that the league is in a really tough spot, and that's why we're in this very complicated mess that we are in.

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Speaker 2: ESPN reported over the weekend that WNBA data doesn't show a correlation between recent playoff injuries and missed calls by officials. Nafisia Collier, one of the great players in the game, called the claim quote an insult to my intelligence, honestly. Callier also asked the commissioner about how the league planned to address officiating, and according to Collier, the commissioner said, only the losers complain about the reps.

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Speaker 10: Also strong, yeah, strong, yes.

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Speaker 2: But not correct because some of the biggest complainers in the history of the NBA, or Michael Jordan and Larry Bird and great players complain about officiating as well, not losers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 9: And I think one of the things that is so interesting or that everyone is tracking is these claims or these calls about officiating.

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Speaker 10: They're not new, right.

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Speaker 9: I wrote a story two years ago at the start of the WNBA Finals all about coaches and executives and players talking about inconsistent officiating. And going back to that point that I was just making on NBA and WNBA ownership, Several people around the league, coaches, executives, they point to high yearly turnover that multiple WNB officials move out of the league and into the NBA, literally from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two. In NBA official press releases, they would use the word promotes as it relates to people moving from the WNBA, that is officials to the NBA. Right, And so there are questions again, systemic questions about how much are officials paid, how are they trained, how are they reviewed?

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Speaker 2: But is it slanted? Ben they are they calling different? Are they seeing something different for certain players and not others?

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Speaker 3: Are they just not great at their jobs?

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Speaker 9: I mean it's hard for me the layperson who say, you know, how correct or incorrect is an officials assessment of it?

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Speaker 2: If they do grade them. They get graded just like NBA officials. I don't know if they're not calling enough for Kitlin Clark or they're calling too much for it, does she get preferential? I mean it feels like everything circles back to Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think actually on this officiating conversation, though, Dan like, this is a conversation that has been going on for a number of years. I think Caitlin Clark, like so many other topics, her presence in the league has brought more eyeballs to the topic of officiating. But you talk to people like, these frustrations are frustrations that have been held for a number of years the league. As you're saying and you're asking, they're saying that, you know, our officials are excellent, that they grade out incredibly well, that we don't have the same kind of problem that so many people say. But what Nafisa Kllier and what others have said is, you know, the first step in what fixing a problem is acknowledging you have a problem in the first place. Like that was another, you know, clear sentiment that she tried to voice throughout her opening statement at her exit interview.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff. Ben, thanks for joining us. We'll be reading.

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Speaker 10: Thanks all for having me.

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Speaker 2: That's Ben Pickman, wmba reporter for the Athletic. I think the WNBA is far more physical than what people thought it was, and they didn't realize how physical it was until Caitlin Clark got there, and then you're going, wait, wait a minute, what are they doing. They're getting away with knocking her down. It's been really physical. It's far more physical than the college game. In fact, Geno Rim of Yu Khon said it's too physical in the WNBA. It feels almost nineteen eighties Ish NBA and the Big East, where you're letting people get away you. Ultimately, you want the great players to be able to be great, to showcase their talent. Hockey's done this. Soccer tries to do this, the NFL tries to do this. They want to free it up so it sthetically is pleasing to watch. And there are times when you watch the WNBA and it's not about Kate and Clark, but it feels like she's the fuse that lights this. This has been physical for a long long time. I just think people haven't watched the sport. But this is a seminal moment. This is a huge moment for the league, and they have tripped over themselves. I think in the Caitlin Clark, the players embracing Caitlin Clark, they hate Caitlin Clark, they side with Angel. You know all of this stuff. You have a Wayne Gretzky, you have a Tiger Woods. Don't screw it up. We'll take a break back after this.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark's team bowed out in overtime last night. What an incredible season they turned in. They didn't have Cunningham, they didn't have Clark, and they take the Aces to a deciding game before bowing out. Mark Schlareth NFL on Fox Analyst. He won three Super Bowls with the Broncos, and he called the Patriots Panthers game in Week four and guess what as a reward he gets the Dolphins in the Panthers coming up this weekend at one o'clock Sunday on Fox. Mark joins us on the program. You know you've gotten to that grumpy old man age where you can say what you want to. So here's your platform. What's the topic today that is really bothering you?

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Speaker 12: Overtime? Like, listen to the fans. You guys did it? You guys asked for this right, forty to forty game. We don't get a winner, We don't get a victory, don't we don't get victory? What was wrong with sudden death? There was nothing wrong with sudden death. Sudden death. It's it's sudden and it's death. You're over Like that makes sense to me. Playing to a forty to forty time makes zero sense to me. And by the way, I've sat in a bunch of meetings. Twelve years I played this league. I sat in meetings. I heard it every week. Hey, it's three things in the game. It's special teams, it's offense, and it's defense. Your defense had an opportunity to stop the opponent's quarterback. But no, you know what happened, Josh Allen didn't get the ball, and that's not fair.

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Speaker 11: And we want to be fair, and it's not fair.

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Speaker 14: Like did your parenting your parents? Did they have a parent Did they ever say to you, hey, man, life ain't fair. Did you not get parented? And now this is what we have to live with ties. I hate it, Dan, I hate it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're in a game and you get to overtime and you lose in sudden death, like, would you are you better at accepting a loss in sudden death overtime than a tie in overtime?

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Speaker 12: I'm good with whatever, because we had sixty minutes to win this football game and we didn't get it done in sixty minutes, and I'll deal with the consequences of that.

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Speaker 11: I just I hate playing an extra.

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Speaker 12: Ten minutes and then nothing is sold, nothing is satisfied to me. And then, so I just it just bothers me. The whole thing bothers me. And the thing that bothers me is the way the NFL operates. Right, we listen to a bunch of people whine about things, right and so and then, and most of the people that whine don't even like the game, Like, why do we as a league, why do we basically cowtow to people.

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Speaker 11: Who don't even like our game? Screw them. It's the greatest game in the world. If you don't like it, tough, I don't care. So that part of that part, to me, I don't understand. I mean, I guess I understand it.

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Speaker 12: You're trying to get more and more people involved in the game, and I get that part of it, But I just I don't like to make excuses for it. And I don't like people who don't like our game, who complain about it that we try to satisfy.

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Speaker 11: I like, screw those people.

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Speaker 2: Are you more bothered by overtime or the Broncos uniforms that they trotted out on Monday Night?

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Speaker 12: I like, hey man, I'm old school, Like I liked pat Patriot, Like, did you see the Patriots in the game against Pittsburgh, you know, with the old pat Patriot on the helmet and that I think. I love that. I love the old school. I wish they'd go back to that Bronco uniform would be you know, the horse breathing fire out of snows. Like, I wish they would go back to all that stuff because I think those uniforms are just absolutely classic.

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Speaker 11: They're awesome. And yeah, they all blues.

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Speaker 12: I could do without the all blues, but I hate it mostly because when we went to all blues when I played for the Broncos. One the pants for whatever reason, the pants were super tight, like I didn't like that. And two two you look like at Opapa, Like you just look like a big giant roly poly blueberry. And uh I was conscientious, like, hey, I looked at my other offensive line.

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Speaker 11: Make go, does this uniform make me look fad?

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Mark Schlereth. You will find him an NFL Fox analyst. Panthers Patriots Week four and now you've got the Dolphins and the Panther.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 11: It turns out.

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Speaker 12: It turns out that I am the official broadcaster of the NFC South. I don't know whose cheery as I fisted in to get the Panthers every weekend.

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Speaker 3: They are they are.

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Speaker 12: Don't tell anybody I said that that they are at bad football team.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I saw this headline and I knew you were going to call the game.

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young is not a bust. The Panthers are.

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Speaker 1: Yeh?

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Speaker 3: Is that a fair headline?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 11: I think so. You know, we put up in the broadcast the end of the day.

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Speaker 12: I mean, they had both Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald in their organization and said see you and you know what, you get some good coaching.

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Speaker 11: Sam Donald actually turns down.

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Speaker 12: This is Sam Donald's a great story, because Sam, they're both great stories. Sam Donald turns down other opportunities to potentially go in and be a starter, and he decides, I'm gonna go to San Francisco and get coached by Kyle Shanahan and learn how to play NFL football. That's what happened. And then he goes to Minnesota and Kyle Shannan told me he goes. Listen, he gets to the Jets, right, bad organization gets to the Jets and they try to put him in the Peyton Manning offense. He goes, there's one guy they can run the Peyton Manning offense. That's Peyton Manning, right, So he fails there. Then he goes to Matt Rule and the Carolina Panthers and they're running some college So the first time that this guy has ever gotten into a true progression offense in reality is in San Francisco, and so he learned basically NFL football. He's year four in the league and at one point, Baker Mayfield, we put a picture of a couple of a different broadcast, a Tampa broadcast I did last year where he is actually a scout team defensive end for the Carolina Panthers and they didn't like they cut him, and then he signs on in with the Rams and plays there for a few weeks as that. I think it was a Christmas Day game against the Broncos where he hangs fifty on him after being in the facility for three days, and you know, he goes on to play great football.

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Speaker 11: So I don't know what Bryce Young is yet.

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Speaker 12: I think he's I mean, he's small, he's diminutive, but you know he's going to operate an offense.

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Speaker 11: And I've seen growth because.

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Speaker 12: I'm the official broadcast of the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 11: I've seen some grow, but Dan like I think.

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Speaker 12: The wide receivers, I think wide receivers are a completely dependent position.

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Speaker 11: They're they're like children.

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Speaker 12: One they're dependent, right, ten other guys had to do their job for them to sniff a football. And then you know, they're they're like toddlers. They whine and they cry and they bitch a lot if they don't get fed. Like that's who wide receivers are. They're just like toddlers. And so ultimately, ultimately there is not very much talent on this football team. And so if you're a great quarterback, you take you know, fair to midland wide receivers and you can create a great offense around that. If you're a quarterback trying to figure it out, you've got to surround that guy with some opportunities. Some people who can actually excel get opening one on one. And going into last week, Tedoro McMillan had two hundred and sixteen yards receiving. All the other wide receivers combined had a one hundred and forty one through three games. It's just they just don't I mean, they're just not very good that way that talent wise, So again, I just don't know. Do I think he's a franchise quarterback? No, But do I think you can win with Bryce Young if you put enough people around him, in pieces around him.

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Speaker 2: I think you probably could help me understand the Eagles situation. It feels like every week there's something. Every week there's something. You know, we started out with spitgate with Jalen Carter to start the year.

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Speaker 3: Now you know, you got aj Brown with a.

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Speaker 2: Cryptic tweet that he puts out and then I mean, they don't throw the ball a lot, but they when they do throw it, I think he's targeted a little over thirty percent of the time. So they're good numbers. You're winning, you're undefeated, you won the Super Bowl. Help me understand the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 11: I can't. I don't understand. I don't come from that world.

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Speaker 12: I don't come from that world where I'm not getting enough shine, So I'm upset. I come from the offensive line world, the world of offensive line, and that's a you know, we're a secret mushroom society. Nobody knows what the hell we're doing. And if we have a great game, we're just to throw away tagine it, you know, I mean a guy who rushes for two hundred yards. You got to think the big fellows up front. Now let's talk about me. I was awesome, you know. I mean, that's that's the way it works, right. You give up, man, I can whip your ass sixty five plays in a row. Dan, I give up one sack. I'm a piece of garbage and you go to the Pro Bowl. That's the world I come from. And so I don't understand this world of we're winning, but I'm not getting to touch the ball enough. So I'm going to pout or send cryptic tweets or be upset that world. I don't understand that world. And I mean, ultimately, it is about winning. And I know that you want to compete, and I know that you want you know you want to win. But you know, it's amazing what you can do as an organization, whether it's football or any organization. It's amazing what you can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit. And that's the world I come from. So it's probably why I hate wide receivers with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. So it's I'm probably not the right guy to ask because I just think. I just think it's selfish and it bothers me, and you know, and I'm grumpy and I've got on black sox.

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Speaker 11: So that's where I live right now.

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Speaker 3: How frustrating was it? Or is it?

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Speaker 2: For an offensive lineman to do your job for a couple of seconds and then all of a sudden you turn around and your quarterbacks trying to make something happen, and then you guys are going to get blamed for a sack.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well I will.

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Speaker 12: I will tell you that sacks are more of a quarterback driven and a coaching driven statistic than they are on offensive line static in today's NFL with all the I mean, we didn't even have a bubble screen when I was playing that that didn't even exist. And you know, and you throw it behind line of scrimmage and out to the sidelines so much, and there's so much quick game. You really, if you boil it down, Dan, you say, hey man, we throw it thirty five times. You boil it down thirty five times, you've got five let's call it. I'm just gonna make the math easy because I'm not that smart. We're gonna go five quick balls, like five three step drops. Right, So now you're down to thirty. Right, we're gonna do five kind of bubble screens. So now I'm down to twenty five. We're gonna do five, you know, swing passes out to the running backs. All right, So now I'm down to twenty. Now we're gonna do a five to five step drop, but five step drop with no hitch. So it's the ball is out right now, now I'm down to fifteen, you know, And so I look at that. How about the boot keep play action game. We're gonna do five of those, right, So now I'm down to let let's call it. I'll whittle it down, you know, give or take a few, I'll whiddle it down to twelve plays where you actually have to protect twelve plays and so ultimately you've got to get the ball out of your hand.

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Speaker 11: That's the way the game is designed.

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Speaker 12: And I was talking to Byron left which when Tom was playing for the Damn Bay Buccaneers, and I said, what has been the most amazing thing about Tom?

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Speaker 11: And he say, hey, listen, if I.

00:28:06
Speaker 12: Call girl flat, which is the first day, like first day operation curl flat. Everybody in the league runs cirl flat and your first read is the flat like it's just a you know, a back or tight end that's in the flat right, whatever it is, and that flat is open. And that's the first read in the progression. Tom will take it one hundred out of one hundred times, never get bored taking the profit, and he'll put us in second down and six minus, and then the entirety of the offense is open. We're on schedule. You hear people say that all the time. On schedule. There are some quarterbacks that don't want to throw it. Let me see what I can get at hey, let me see if I can get something better. Let me see if I can get something better. You got to fall in love with the bory. And that's why guys who scramble around. Most guys who scramble around don't win championships, because you got to be You can't like ultimately, Like I look at Kyler Murray and.

00:28:57
Speaker 11: Do you want to win football games? Or do you want to make sports center hihighlights?

00:29:01
Speaker 12: Like that was that was what I would ask, like, because I want to I want to win football games.

00:29:07
Speaker 11: And the way you win is staying out a third down and long.

00:29:10
Speaker 12: And the way you stay out a third down long is you have success on first and second down, and so if somebody's going to give me a gift, somebody's going to give me a five yard quick out and I pass it by because I want something better or I want to make a highlight play. What's selfish football? Because it's second down and five, I can do anything. Everything is open to me. Second down and ten, I'm predictable. Nothing is open to you. I have aired down my playbook by you know, eighty percent.

00:29:42
Speaker 11: Whatever it is.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: Stay grumpy, Okay.

00:29:50
Speaker 11: I'm gonna get a T shirt.

00:29:51
Speaker 3: Stay grumpy, stay grumpy. Good to talk to you, buddy. Thank you.

00:29:54
Speaker 11: Likewise, be good.

00:29:55
Speaker 2: Bud Mark sleraz NFL on Fox analyst and the official analyst for the Carolina Panthers. I got Dolphins and the Panthers at one eastern on Sunday on Fox. See would you give me an update on the poll results?

00:30:10
Speaker 10: If you can, I would be happy to do that for you.

00:30:13
Speaker 5: In uh, let's see, we've got up there? More overrated in the baseball postseason club history. In tangibles, which team wants it more? And last week's momentum, which team wants it more? Is making a good showing but club history is running away with it.

00:30:29
Speaker 3: So far.

00:30:30
Speaker 5: The lowest percentage is intangibles very important on this list.

00:30:35
Speaker 3: James in Virginia, Hi James, what's on your mind today?

00:30:39
Speaker 15: Oh Tiger taking my call? Brother happy way bade dv Dan that's Massa Luther Commanders man big time all the time. Every time you know, I'm coming with you, my brother. Can we just take a moment? Agains just tucking us? No, hey, O'tamy Man two home runs two for five three RBIs the greatest baseball player played the game because I never saw baby Ruth Man. But what about the New York Yankees. You gotta ride with your ace in a three game series, seven a five or seven games? Door guy, because Yankees don't win. Back with my favorite Oh my goodness. And lastly, d I'm just gonna say this man, Tulsa Kings is one of my favorite shows out right now. Jennis is time. Sylvestera Salon does a great job.

00:31:27
Speaker 12: Man.

00:31:27
Speaker 15: Always appreciate you things will let me run have a great day, guy from the Commanders.

00:31:31
Speaker 3: Thank you.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: James James in Virginia, Tulsa King with Sylvester Stallone.

00:31:36
Speaker 4: Man, I'm gonna need you to go to Tomson. I don't know why in some movies, Against the Lays has to talk like this. I'm gonna need you to go toumbson.

00:31:48
Speaker 13: That's very good?

00:31:50
Speaker 3: Is that your selvester Stallone?

00:31:52
Speaker 4: No, it's another guy in the thing that cost I'm gonna come on in and sit down.

00:31:57
Speaker 3: Does he talk with his hands too?

00:31:59
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to little tools.

00:32:03
Speaker 3: You know. You give me a rambo and I'll watch it. Yeah, heck yet, I don't know about the Tulsa King. Yeah, Paul, if.

00:32:12
Speaker 6: You had a dollar for every show about the mafia in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It got really good reviews. It's been renewed, good cast.

00:32:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know.

00:32:21
Speaker 6: I think we should try it.

00:32:25
Speaker 3: Really, I don't know.

00:32:31
Speaker 2: I mean I give every show fifteen minutes when I start, I'm like, that's that's really the litmus test. If I can get past fifteen, then I go all.

00:32:39
Speaker 3: Right, maybe I don't watch you have Poel.

00:32:41
Speaker 6: I think that was the genius of the episode one of Ozark. In fifteen minutes you were hooked. They went in harsh.

00:32:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, all of a sudden, bodies are falling out of apartment buildings and or guys, are you know, pleading for their life?

00:32:56
Speaker 11: Yeah?

00:32:57
Speaker 2: That was that was like, oh wow, really, there wasn't a a slow burn. You don't have to wait three episodes. It's like, oh man, all right, let me take a break. More phone calls coming up. We'll talk some baseball Sean Casey of MLB Network. We'll stop by at the top of the hour. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. The Dodgers had ten runs in their win over the Reds. The other three wild Card games combined for eleven runs scored. By the way, the teams that win Game one of the best of three Wildcard series are ten and two in Game two of the series and at perfect twelve and zero in the series. Since the format was instituted in twenty twenty two.

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00:34:16
Speaker 3: Denny in Portland, Oregon.

00:34:18
Speaker 16: Hi Denny, good morning DP. Thanks for getting me on. I appreciate that. Hey, we are trying to get an MLB team here in the big roase city and maybe Polly could look us up. With the Portland Diamond project, it's quite a big deal. Russell William or Russell Wilson was in on it at its infancy. Do you think Portland is a city that can support a Major League Baseball team? And what is You have to know what the process is for MLB to select a city.

00:34:57
Speaker 3: I don't know the process.

00:34:58
Speaker 2: I know that the Portland initiative started in twenty seventeen and they were raising eight hundred million dollars for a new stadium. And even if you do like there's no guarantee that they would expand there.

00:35:12
Speaker 3: There's a lot of different places.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: Nashville always comes up as getting a baseball team. You know, it's a great baseball area. They just haven't had a professional team up there. But college also summer leagues. Yeah, Pauline.

00:35:28
Speaker 6: The Athletic put out an article just a month ago about the expansion progress, and a lot of it's off the record, but they said the cities are possible are Nashville, Portland, Salt Lake City, Charlotte, Austin, and Montreal. There are probably will only be two spots.

00:35:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, well Nashville's got one, you know that feels like it. It feels like it, pretty much feels like it. They're the Vegas of the Midwest, one of everything at this point.

00:35:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:35:53
Speaker 2: I hated to see Montreal lose the Expos. There's so many great teams up there and the environment. I got to see the Mets play up there. Gary Carter is still with the Mets, and I remember going up and watching a game and at a wonderful time.

00:36:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marvin, funny you mentioned, excuse me, funny, you mentioned the Expos.

00:36:14
Speaker 5: Is a Netflix documentary called Who Killed the Expos coming out later this month.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, time for the sept Heisman, thecept Heisman.

00:36:25
Speaker 3: The college football player that you.

00:36:27
Speaker 2: Think is gonna win the Heisman this month if it were given out this month.

00:36:31
Speaker 6: If it were this morning.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Okay, Todd, your nomination for the Scept Heisman.

00:36:38
Speaker 11: I'm gonna go with the Oregon Ducks quarterback Dante Moore.

00:36:41
Speaker 12: I think you should be the leader in the clubhouse for now.

00:36:42
Speaker 3: Okay, safe, all right, seat and you got one.

00:36:46
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I was gonna say Dante Moore as well, Oregon huge week. If I could go non quarterback, I'll go Jeremiah Smith. All right, let's get a wide receiver, Marvin.

00:36:57
Speaker 11: I'm with Fritzy. I'm going Dante Moore Oregon.

00:36:59
Speaker 3: Also, wow, three for three Paul See.

00:37:02
Speaker 6: I'm not going Dante more because he has a really good chance to win the whole thing. This is for a guy who's gonna get it this month, but not in November December.

00:37:11
Speaker 5: So it's not someone we think can actually win. It's someone who only win it this month exactly. Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Yes, God, it's.

00:37:17
Speaker 6: The Septizeman, not the Heisman. Fernando Mendoza Indiana Hoosiers.

00:37:23
Speaker 3: He written all over them.

00:37:24
Speaker 6: Are you talking about when they get into some of those tougher games. Maybe not sixteen touchdowns one pick in the month of September.

00:37:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my choice. The Indiana quarterback transfer in.

00:37:35
Speaker 5: I think he's number two in the odds right.

00:37:37
Speaker 2: Septem heisman stizement, simptizement, and then we do these septem VP next hour.

00:37:43
Speaker 6: Very exciting. That could be any person or coach or executive in sports who had the best month.

00:37:49
Speaker 2: Like bad Bunny. Could be the yeah sep tem VP. Yeah, or Benny Blanco who married Selena.

00:37:56
Speaker 3: Gomez man learn how to sing?

00:37:58
Speaker 15: Dang?

00:37:59
Speaker 2: Or right me music? Yes, yeah, all right, we have a height quiz. This, of course, was a situation issue. Yesterday Marvin claimed he was tall and he's six feet tall, and you're not tall.

00:38:13
Speaker 3: You're just not short. I think we established that, did we. Yeah?

00:38:17
Speaker 2: I did, as being a hightist and somebody who towers.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: Over you towers.

00:38:23
Speaker 5: I think that's the reason you ran McLevin out of here was he was the tallest. Yeah, now I'm the tallest. So you guys are all sure, Ye don't think that's why you.

00:38:32
Speaker 2: When we hire people, I just say you don't have to send your resume, just height and weight. That's all I care about. Anthony got hired and he's shorter than me. Rob got hired. He's shorter than me. Just about everybody. Ray big Day, Ray raised taller.

00:38:47
Speaker 3: Than me, but he slumps around a lot. Yeah, he does whenever he's around me. When he's around me, he's hunched over a little. Okay. The height quiz, Paul.

00:38:56
Speaker 6: We have a little quiz. What is the tallest country in the world where the average height of the people is the tallest, and there's five of them? There's a clear number one that always wins us. But there's five countries who.

00:39:08
Speaker 3: Like to take a shot Todd China, Nope, seatan.

00:39:16
Speaker 5: Man, it's not I'm going to say the Dutch.

00:39:20
Speaker 3: Wait, what is the Dutch?

00:39:22
Speaker 5: That Netherlands.

00:39:25
Speaker 6: You are correct, The Netherlands is the tallest country in the world. Oft in sight is the tallest nation, average height just over six feet.

00:39:37
Speaker 3: Okay, so not tall.

00:39:38
Speaker 5: They call it the Netherlands because they're so tall, but the rest of us can't see those heights.

00:39:42
Speaker 2: The nice job, all right, Marvin. Who else is on the list of tallest countries?

00:39:49
Speaker 11: Not Italy?

00:39:51
Speaker 3: Not Italy is correct as a shot. Canada, No, I'm going Australia.

00:40:02
Speaker 6: No, Montenegro, Denmark, Serbia, and Estonia. The Balkans are talking, the Balkans, the Talkiens, the Tlkiins.

00:40:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, j R. Tolkien's you see I went to class occasionally. I didn't read J. R.

00:40:18
Speaker 3: Tolkien. Did you guys? Yes you did j R. R. Oh, my bad, Marvin. Did you read Tolkien?

00:40:31
Speaker 11: I did not.

00:40:32
Speaker 3: Todd, I'm sure you did.

00:40:33
Speaker 5: You could just start with did you read Nope?

00:40:37
Speaker 3: No, I didn't, Todd. I don't think I read a talking book.

00:40:41
Speaker 11: There was ever a signed to us.

00:40:42
Speaker 3: Okay, did you read Beowolf?

00:40:45
Speaker 6: Yes, we had to do it two months on Beowulf Tales.

00:40:49
Speaker 3: I like Beowolf. I couldn't.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: I cried Wolf. My English tea was a beautiful woman, missus Ross, and that's the only reason why I paid attention. I paid attention to her, not what she was teaching me. And you know, you just shake your head like Dan, I answered the question.

00:41:14
Speaker 11: Yes.

00:41:16
Speaker 2: Sean Casey joins us, talks some baseball at him final hour on this Wednesday.

00:41:23
Speaker 3: More of your phone calls as well.

00:41:25
Speaker 2: Operator Tyler sitting by a seven seven to three DP show