‘The Bachelor’s’ Katie on Her Unforgettable Entrance and Matt James’ Kissing Skills

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour once again. We've got another great show for you guys and another great guest. Now, you guys have been giving us excellent feedback on the episode that we had with Matt James. I mean, we were so excited to have him, as you knew, and I feel like you guys were excited to learn more about him, because let's be honest, you're not necessarily getting that from him on your television screens. And my right, Serena pe okay, and that's all we're gonna talk about on that day because that's all we got. Love Serena Peach, She's got great energy, but we got nothing for Matt. So thank god we had him on this podcast so you can know that he there's a lot more to him because you ain't getting it on your TV screens. But it ain't about Matt James. We had him last week. It's about Katie, who is our next guest who you probably didn't know where you were going to land with Katie after she came on with the vibrator. You know, we had never seen anything like that, but she has slowly buzzed her way into all of our hearts and we're going to break all of that down with her and all the rest of the other interesting things from this episode. Yes, Rachel, you know, I think it's going to be a long, maybe not so much of a hard episode, but we're going to get all of the tea from Katie because let's face it, it's no surprise she's one of our favorites. I loved her to night one. She tapped Maria on the shoulder with the vibrator I was told with her. But before we get into that, we did see some drama go down, and we're not going to do a full blown recap because I feel like, like I said, we have Katie on you can hear it from the horse's mouth. But I think some of the major moments that took place last night dealt with two Wish people, and that is Sarah and that is Victoria. So I guess let's just get into it. We don't need to go into the dates in detail, because I mean, as you said, Serena Pett, they had a great, great connection I think I personally, Rachel, tell me, tell me your thoughts on this. I loved this group date idea. Really, I actually would have been terrified. Oh I would have been terrified too, But I found it as a viewer so entertaining. The fact that they had to blur out so much commentary makes me hope to God that a lot of the girls still have their books with these stories written in, because if we ever have any of the you know, besides Katie, anyone else on the podcast, you'd sure as hell. No, I'm going to ask them to bring this erotica book. Absolutely not, that's from Matt. Okay, I don't need to hear about your sex craze fantasy ideas about Matt. I don't want to hear it. I don't need to see that. As Phoebe from Friends, let's say, I don't want to see it, Okay, But you know what my main thought was when I watched this day? What is the TV rating for The Bachelor? Because we have come a long way from wholesome family TV show. It's got to be an m a. It's I don't even know what comes after that, it's gotta be We'll think about this. Remember two weeks to go when we were covering the premiere and we were talking about the fact that now, as a family friendly show, they're bringing on this vibrator, like, yes, it was black Box, but I feel like ABC, it's testing the limits. They're stepping out of this little comfort on this bubble, if you will, and seeing like how far can we push it sex wise to get viewers? And I mean I found it hilarious they pushed it. You know what else they were pushing A Perfect Letter written by Chris Harrison apparently in twenty fifteen. Now, I wasn't a where Chris Harrison wrote a book, and I'm pretty sure a lot of us weren't. We saw it strategically placed behind him as we watched The Bachelor Greatest Seasons Ever this summer, and I was like, oh, Chris wrote a book. Now we have a whole date surrounding it. So if you haven't already, Chris Harrison and the Bachelor franchise wants you to know that he wrote a book called A Perfect Letter and you should go out and get it because obviously it is erotica, which is hilarious. It sounds like it is Jews say, I need to know if there's any truth to these stories. I did not, like, I knew Chris wrote a book. I did not know it was this type of book and so, and I feel like we know Chris in one way and I think viewers know him another way. But this is like a whole new facet of Chris Harrison that I'm learning. Have you seen the cover? No, It's got Fabio on the front of it. Just I was like, what is if Franco was on the front. Franco took the picture. Franco is one of the main characters. M Yeah, So basically, we obviously see the girls give their fantasies. We don't need to get into it. We'll have Katie on to pick her brain because she was very well part of this and since the beginning she's been very sex positive, so we'll pick her brain. The main part of this state, though, really isn't what happens during the day portion. It's at the night, which obviously we see Sarah, who is not part of this come crash, and then it just continues on into the week with her kind of spiraling out and not knowing where she stands with Matt and being part of the show. If you will, can I ask you a question about there? Rodic could say, I do I agree with you? I told you want to talk to Sarah, But I meant to ask you this. I kept thinking if this were the other way, Like I just felt like Matt's and they joked with him. Matt's story was very peaging. How would the audience have accepted if Matt had had a story on the love same level as the women. I feel like there was a double standard here. Imagine if Matt was saying some of these things. I couldn't stop thinking about it. Do you think it would have been as well received by the audience the women would have, because you know, like they're you know, horny for Matt. But I think, well, my first thought actually was when he was reading his like I did he actually write it? Or was it somebody that just like, hey, here's the date here you go read this to these women, like did he? And I think I'm sure us that he had on the Serena p date to yeah, yeah, yeah, she made me laugh. But as the lead, you tiptoe this fine line of you can't be too out there if you will, because you have to still appeal to the viewers like you are the one carrying this season, like it's kind of on your shoulders. And so I think for any lead, whoever it was. I think that they probably wouldn't have been I don't want to say able, but they probably wouldn't have been able to go that extreme. Like there's no way that they could have read probably what Victoria was reading. I don't think so. I think if we were the bachelorettes and the men were reading to us, they could not have spoken to us that way. I think there's a double standard. I could not imagine them saying, you know. And then I did beep and beep and she felt beep and we did beep together, but not right before we beat and I made her beep, you know what I mean, Like it would have sounded totally different coming from men. And it's just I just I kept thinking that I thought, could this day be in reverse? And I think there's a double standard. I don't think it could. Let us know, Yeah, you guys think, yeah, please write to us, because now I'm very interned out. I wasn't even thinking about it in that way. And I'm so glad that you brought it up. And that's why I love doing the podcast with you. Does it make me think in different ways and push the boundaries and see things differently, So I appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome. Oh, but I'm very interested to know see what our followers and our listeners have to say about it. Yeah. Yeah, but Sarah. You were talking about Sarah. Yeah, so let's get into Sarah. I mean, I have my own thoughts on what we saw with her, but I want to hear your take on it first. Like overall, you know, and we see her basically a steel time from a group date she's not on. We see her then hide in her room, not really confront the girls until the very end of the day, after a lot more has gone on. We see the women vocalize very much so why they're upset with her, And then we do finally actually see her go home, which I wasn't expecting. I thought she was going to do the over pack my bags and then stay. So what were your thoughts overall on Sarah? I thought first, one first thought was whoa mighty is the fall? Because last week Sarah was great. This week we were like, oh, this is another side of Sarah. Then I thought, if it's all good, just a week ago was a person, it would be Sarah. Okay, Sarah flipped on us real quick. I mean my thought watching Sarah is Look, I don't want to be too hard on Sarah because I'll leave that to the bullying circle that was at her. Everybody wants to throw the word bullying, that was bullying. You might not have agreed how Sarah navigated this episode, and I personally don't agree, but I wouldn't attack her in a big way. I remember my season when they want to do that with Karn. I hated that, Like there were several of us who walked out the room. I'm not down for the let's gang up on on this person and they can't defend themselves. But I thought I did feel for Sarah because this experience isn't for everyone. And watching Sarah, I thought, listen, it's this is hard, it's tough, and if you can't, if you're not strong enough to survive this for whatever reason, family in securities, doubt, then you have to remove yourself because the best side of you will not come out and the lead will never get to see it. And that was Sarah. She was slowly deteriorating and I don't I'm not confident she would have made it far because she wouldn't have been able to give Matt her best self. I will also say, on the other side, we saw another side of Matt and how he handled this situation. We are seeing Matt's inexperience in this episode. We all know that Matt has never been on a bachelor franchise show before we saw it this episode the way, Matt does not know what it's like to be a contestant, and I feel like if he had gone through that experience of the Bachelorette, then he would have better known how to handle the situation with Sarah. He wouldn't have entertained it. He would have realized that, hey, you're taking away from other women. I know what it's like to wait all day, all week, just for five to ten minutes with whoever the lead was. He didn't know how to feel that because he's never been through that. So his first thought was just to cater to Sarah because she was hurting, not realizing the consequence that it was having on the rest of the women. And he wasn't putting Sarah in a good place, but also wasn't putting the other women in a good place. And it's on the lead to kind of navigate this show and to make everyone feel more comfortable it's your responsibility as a lead. Yeah. Yeah, And that's a really good point I think, especially when you go on blind didn't have no idea. You do want to comfort the person who's hurting, and in his mind, you know, she's the one who I guess had the wound and was bleeding and was the injured one, and not taking into account that there's so many other women still here, which I had two points of, and I really really do try. I do empathize with Sarah because obviously she's going through something way bigger than the show, and that's dealing with her father and his sickness. So I understand that part and how hard it is to be away and to not know on a day by day, even hour by hour basis of how a family member and a loved one is doing. So I empathize with her. I also could empathize with her in the fact that putting myself back into her position as one of the many contestants on The Bachelor, I was Ari's very first one on one date, and I remember what it felt like to have the very first date, to build this really strong solid connection, and then the week after go on a group date and see him interact with multiple women see him have a sort of form sort of a same connection, and so I get why it was difficult for her. That being said, you also know what you're signing up for, and if you really want it to work in the long run, you have to have confidence not only in yourself, but in the relationship that you're forming that if it's going to last in the long run, and if it's going to work out, then you have to have faith that he's going to navigate the other relationships that you're seeing go down with some sort of like stability and still have a strong head and heart. My issue with what we saw with her was two things she kept saying throughout the entire episode. It's just really hard for me. It's just really hard for me. And that is a viewer I couldn't fully swallow, because it's it's hard for everyone in for different reasons. Everyone had to leave their family and their friends and their work and their home and their owns, and they're everything that they were used to behind. So it's truly hard for everyone, and I think she wasn't able to step outside of that and see that it's difficult for everyone. In a different way, she just kept saying, it's really hard for me, but she didn't say, yeah, I understand it's hard for you too, and going into that. Because she kept saying that, I don't think she fully considered others like she was on. It seems like she had her agenda and needed her time and her reassurance, not realizing, like, you know, Matt's being pulled in a thousand different directions. There's a whole crew who are on certain time limits that are filming this show. There are still twenty plus women sitting downstairs who half of them haven't had any time with him. Really, they haven't had a one on one, they haven't had time with him during a cocktail party, and so like, it's very easy, you know. And sometimes I could be a very selfish person and wrapped up in my feelings and thoughts, but I have a problem when people can't see the bigger picture and and empathize for others around them, And I felt like I wasn't quite getting that with her with the entire episode. Absolutely, That's why I'm really interested in talking to our guests Katie, because she was right there in the mix. Not only was she an observer, she was interrupted by Sarah. She had to fight for her time back with Matt from Sarah. Then she chased after Sarah, and then she consoled Sarah and saw another side that the other group didn't get to see. So Katie's like our go to she she knows it all. Plus you know, she's funny and all the things we love to see in a bachelor contestant. So yeah, yeah, I think we should bring her on. But before that, I wanted to play the game because sticking with the donkey theme that we saw in the one on one day with Matt and Serena, I think I think we should nominate a person who's the ass of the episode and one person who's the Rose of the episode. Because obviously every time we have a guest song, we asked them the rose and the thorn. So let's call this one the ass and the repressive. You will, Hey, this one's new. Do you want to go first? Oh? Yeah, I will start it out. So well, Rose, I'm gonna say I'm going to give it to her guest Katie, because I say, I so appreciated the way that she handled the last conversation that she had with Sarah, the fact that she removed herself from the group of women who are already going hard at Sarah to sit down and have the confidence and the wherewithal to say, like, hey, if you're still feeling Matt and if he's still feeling you, you need to explore this. I think it takes a strong woman to not just say, let me help you pack and roll your suitcase out here. Yeah, so I would give Katie the Rose and vice versa. Not that I wanted to say Sarah was the ass. I just because again, like I do empathize with what she was feeling in certain moments, but yeah, I think she just kind of took a lot away from the group of women. Yeah, but also I think I would give it to Kate and Victoria as well, because they went for her hard and I don't think it was the proper way to handle that situation. Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you for all the same reasons. Katie is absolutely the Rose. The ass definitely goes to Victoria. But this is why I'm gonna give it to her. I thought we were going to see another side of Victoria. Remember, Victoria is the first one we saw run out after Sarah, and Sarah was like, yeah, you've been my girl, and she's like, yeah, girl, I got you. I'm just making sure you're okay. And I thought, wow, you know, she was really able to put how she was feeling aside to go after Sarah and make sure she was okay. But it was all calculated. I mean, at the beginning of the episode, we see that she particularly wants to eliminate Sarah, so her going after Sarah, her motives weren't in the right place. I mean, she really was more so cuddling up to her so she could destroy her. And then we see that happen later on when they're all in the group and she's annihilating Sarah by going after her for what she did. No surprise here, it goes to Victoria. That ass goes to Victoria the Queen and something. Guys, Yeah, yeah, So let's put that ass to the side and let's talk about our Rose because our Rose is on the podcast today. She's probably been one of the most talked about ladies since night one for a whole lot of reasons, and we're happy to talk to her today. We can't wait to meet her. You guys, please welcome Katie to the podcast. Well, welcome to the podcast, Katie, We well, Rachel and I ourselves are huge fans of you. I think as a collective, whole, Bachelor Nation is a huge fan of you. So we are so excited to have you first here on Bachelor Happy Hour. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Before we even get started, I need to know where's the vibrator and will it make an appearance in this podcast? I do have it in my house. They will not make an appearance on this podcast. Have you turned it on? I love the fact that it matched your dress night one. It was definitely sparkly and a lot bigger than I expected when I was holding it, So yeah, you know, But I mean it was like the perfect statement for like twenty twenty. I mean, if like twenty twenty could be like a meme for women, it's it's that during this pandemic the purple sparked me by Burder. Yes, were you nervous about coming? I don't know, I don't know how like familiar you were with the show before you came on, and you can answer that in this question, But were you at all nervous? Were you like, was there like any apprehension on your part of thinking maybe maybe this isn't a good idea, like this is a family show, like were you concerned? And how like in the moment, it's the moment right like you're in it. But then afterwards were like, oh my god. I mean for me, it actually summarized me perfectly, and our time is so short, and I could do nothing but being myself. And I knew Matt is religious. I know I don't know him personally, so I knew it could very well send me home night one and I would have no regrets because it really summarizes who I am as a person, my sense of humor, my confidence, my you know, sexual empowerment for females. And I didn't know what to expect when I did my little you know stunt, but he laughed, and so I just felt like this huge weight lifted off of me after that. I mean, if you guys saw his laugh, it was just the biggest, most genuine laugh. I was like, all right, it was as if he used the vibrator. That's how it looks. Well, I will say this. I think it was after you walked away, he laughed uncontrollably for a couple of seconds, and I think that, like he probably needed that there's so much pressure. It's so intense, as you know, I mean, you lived through Night one, so I think it was needed on all parts. And I'm glad that you just said it right on the table. You named it. It made an appearance later on in the night and before we act get into the show and Night one and the few dates that we've seen so far. This is kind of your thing, isn't not Because I'm not gonna lie. I've done some creeping on Instagram and TikTok, and you actually have some hilarious videos out there that are pretty on par with what we saw night one. I mean yeah, like I said, my entrance kind of matches my personality and like what I'm about. And you know, over this last year with the pandemic, of course, we all downloaded TikTok and we just kind of start creating our own videos to entertain us. And Rachel didn't. You don't have TikTok at all. I don't like it. I don't. I just I can't get down with it. No, no shank to everyone else. It's just not my thing. Hey, that's fine. It definitely tweaks itself to customize your your like, so you know, if that's cooking or comedy like with me, or dancing videos for other people, it'll cater to you. But yeah, that's kind of what my thing was this summer, about being single and in quarantine and just being sex positive, and it just kind of randomly took off. I never expected anything from it. Really well, I think now I want to see your videos because I like you, so I'll go look on, I'll go creep on your page and check them out. Did you watch the show before? Yeah? Actually, Chris Harrison caused a resident super fan, So the first episode watch was Ashley JP, which, okay, a little unfortunate because they were always my example of like I believe the show worked, and it does. They built a beautiful family. Yeah, you know, and people change and you know, life happens. But yeah, I've watched the show for a long time. The reason I asked you if you to watch the show is because you continue to talk about being sex positive, which is fantastic. And even in last night's episode, we saw you kind of gather the women around and talk about how much you appreciated the group date that you had because you got to see the women be sex positive. So I'm really interested on your take of because you're a fan of the show and you've seen that the show always hasn't been hortive of those who are sex positive. Caitlin Bristow, you know, it was definitely the one who had to walk through that door first, and she was sluching. And then we saw Hannah b you know, proclaim the statement that she made and people some people were more receptive to it, but other people were really upset with what she said. And so now here you come and your vibrator, you know, alt the limo, and you're really kind of putting this in our face to accept it. And so I'm just curious with you. Was that something that you really wanted to put out there, that you wanted to be a part of your message and who you are on this show. But it wasn't some agenda that I had coming onto the show. It's just who I am and who I've been this whole time. And you know, it wasn't until after the fact that I realized how big of a deal it was, which excites me because I do believe it's you know, twenty twenty one women should be comfortable talking about their sexuality. You know, I have Taylor Nolan here in Washington State, and you know, she's a big advocate as well, and you know, I just I appreciate being comfortable being able to talk about it, and hopefully that means other women will soon start to open up a little bit, because being sex positive is important, you know, in a relationship, in yourself and your self care and so many different things, especially in this pandemic. So it was never really an agenda. I just continue to be myself. But with time, you definitely see that it becomes such an important topic for women, and you know, hopefully more people can, you know, start feeling comfortable talking about it. I'm going to drink to that. I love that. I wish somebody would have tapped me on the shoulder with the vibrator to butt in. I mean, it was the highlight of the episode. I will say, I what's inside, so you know, I obviously have no idea what's happening when I come outside. And you know, poor Mari, bless her heart, she's amazing, but you know, we do need a comedic relief. Night one. Everyone's very yeah and intense, and you know, I feel like I was able to kind of provide that a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, you were a smart girl. You brought a night one. Hopefully you stick around for a while and had it. I'm sure no one else in the house is able to entertain themselves. It's along two months, let's be honest. So, smart woman, I want to So obviously you've watched the show. You kind of know you've learned now more than ins and out. So how is it going for being this resident super fan as you call yourself to watching yourself back and listening to you speak in interviews and to Matt and to all these women, Like, what is that that like for you? I mean, you think you know what you're getting yourself into going on the show, but then when you actually experience it's it's nothing you can prepare for. You know, it's emotionally draining. And to watch it and see the connections he was building early on for me, you're just like, oh, I thought we had a connection, but obviously you have a connection with all these other women too, And so you seem to watch it back and to relive some of those emotions and those memories, and you know, it wasn't really that long ago that we filmed, but it feels like a lifetime ago. It's bubble has done to us. Yeah, it puts you in a few different states because it's you know, you're in one mindset when you're filming, and then you come out and you're in this weird limbo phase, if you will, between filming and airing, and now it's airing and the entire world has something to say and they have their opinions and comments being thrown at you. How are you able to navigate through the world of social after now that this is on TV? How are you able to navigate that? I mean, for example, Night one was going to be a love hate relationship with some of the viewers. But for me, I'm thirty now and I feel very just comfortable and who I am, and I know I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and I know how ugly social media can be, and so I personally felt prepared for the backlash that you know, some people are going to have when it came to Night one, But also I know what my journey looks like and who I am as a person, and that's all I can really, you know, kind of hold on to. There's always going to be hate no matter what you do, and so I'm just very comfortable and who I am as a person. Yeah, I was going to ask you how old you are? You what, Katie, The more you talk, the more you're my favorite. Actually you are my favorite. It's not the more you are. I mean, it's just you could tell that like you, I don't know, you just had life experiences, You've been through things. You just get it. And I don't want to get into this just yet, but it segues into kind of what we see happen in this episode because part of the show is Survival of the fittest, and it's not a knock to who you are as a person. It's just that if you aren't strong enough to survive what this experience is, it'll take you out. It is the freaking Hunger Games. I remember on my season we were all like all volunteers tribute. It truly is that. And y'all had a group date that was the Hunger Games. You know, so y'all were really in it. But I'm curious with you. You really just seem to like have it together to know who you are, which is also key to the show. How did you get on it How did I become who I am? Or how to go No No No, that's another podcast. I've a couple of you are No how did you get on the show? I just applied And you know, it's it's so funny because I joke with my friends. I'm like, oh, I'm the target version of a contestant, because like, I'm not this Like there's so many beautiful women's supermodels who are on this show, you know, and in Bachelor or Landsider, you know, older. And so when I was casted, I was actually pretty shocked. I was kind of in denial even like getting ready for it, you know, and I was just my one hundred percent self and I guess they found that pretty refreshing. Like I had no filter, I didn't hide anything. And I was like, Okay, they must think I'm a good match for Matt, and let's go with it. And so I just, you know, as a pandemic, this is a perfect opportunity to date somebody. I've been like locked up and online dating sucks, and you know, once in a lifetime opportunity to meet someone like Matt. And you know, I went with it. This is why I think we like you because you own who you are too. I feel like every time we talked to somebody and asked them how they got on the show, they always put it on someone else, like no one will just admit, like, yeah, I signed up, I feeled up this application. I went through the process on my own because I wanted to. So I think it's so refreshing that you can say that and tell everyone, And I feel like I can relate to you personally because you know, I was a little bit older and now and I'll say this to Rachel all the time, like I feel like I joke that I feel like a Grahama watching this show. So I'm glad that they still are having like good down to earth quality and a little bit older, more mature women on the show. What is it like for your family and your friends watching you back? Like, I'm assuming the Katie that they know is what they see on TV, But what has it been like for them? I mean, none of them are really surprised when I was going to go on the show. You know, they know my personality. I feel like I'm very outgoing and obviously I'm I think I'm a catch. So let's stew me on the show and see if mad agrees. So they were very supportive. My mom, I will say, has never seen the show and so this is her first time watching it, so she was very excited. But I'm like, it's a lot you don't know, Mom, so like, enjoy just excellent not watching it with you. Yeah, it's you're refreshing. It's it's a lot of times we see people come on the show, and especially someone who's a fan of the show. You know, you're what we call the encyclopedia. Usually those people are trying to be like another lead or another contestant or player role because they know how this game goes. You're so it's it comes through the TV screen that you are authentically being yourself. You really don't care, You're very I don't know. It's just it's it's fun to watch, and then you find as a viewer, we find ourselves rooting for you. I want to get into last night's episode, the Erotica date, but you've already talked about you being sex positive, and I loved how you gathered the woman around and had that conversation. But we've missed a lot of the date because a lot of it was beaped out. Now I myself took the liberty of filling in the blanks. So I'm pretty sure I figured out the tales. But you are right there with the front row seat and participated what Who had the best performance? Victoria? Take yourself out, really Victoria, even with me in it, Victoria ten to ten, amazing show. We actually had to reenact it back at the house. She's a sorry blood. Who played Matt? Who played Matt? What do you reenact? You re enacted her story? She reread the story. No, I thought you said re enacted. I was like, oh, sorry, who played Matty? No? She reread it at the house because it was just that good, Like we just did an encore and it was just it was hilarious. And you know, with how intense the house can get, we can all use some good last. Regardless of the dynamics and the drama, we thrive on laster. So she was great. Did you feel like, I mean, obviously this date seemed to be a little bit within your wheelhouse because you are so sex positive. Did you feel like you were kind of like a champion or a mentor if you will, for some of these women, because I can imagine some of them probably got on this date, and they're like, oh my gosh, I'm so uncomfortable. This makes me nervous. How am I going to get up in front of Matt and this group of women and you know, you know, tell like my deepest, darkest fantasies. Yeah, I want to call myself a champion necessarily, but people knew I was going to go all out with this one, especially because I had PTSD from not getting to go on the evening portion of the date. So every time I'm like, I gotta go all out. I gotta make sure I'm here the whole time. And so I'm sure that kind of helped women knowing like, well, hey, even if mine's a little vanilla, like we know, Katie's like sitting the bar over here. So the good time though, We're all very comfortable and having these conversations and that was a fun date time. You mentioned obviously having PTSD from not making it to the night portion from last week's group date. Fast forward to the group date night portion this week, we see you sitting down with Matt finally having a conversation. You know, and in this Hungary's Journey, if you will, time is of the essence. We say that all the time. So obviously you're interrupted by Sarah who wasn't even on the date. And so when you see her walk in and her basically interrupted Matt and pull him, what was going through your mind? My first thought, just because there were so many women, was she on this group date? Because I just didn't remember. I just kind of like let her have her time because I'm like, I was just I wasn't prepared, you know, And so girls know and they're like, go get your man, and so that's when I'm like, Okay, it's starting to kind of come together, like wait, wait, wait, she's not on the group date. What's going on? This is not right, what's happening? So, you know, I let her have her minute because you just don't know what she needs to say. And I thought maybe she wanted to go home, and by all means, you can go home if that's what you're telling him. But I just was not prepared, you know, it was so early for that kind of environment that I just, like I said, I thought she was on my date. Really, so when you realize she wasn't on your date, and she takes her time, and you went back and told the women, which at first Okay. I love the secrets of events because when you left, I was like, oh, come on, Katie, like the Katie that I feel like I know would not let it go down this way. And then you go back to the women and you're like you guys, Sarah is here, and everyone gets all riled up and Victoria. This is a moment where I actually liked Victoria where she tells you to go back in there and you know, get your time back, and you did, and then we see you standing in the corner and then you sit on the couch. I mean, can you just tell us, like, how long was that was that time period of you standing there? It wasn't five minutes, which is when she seen to them kiss, right, couldn't you hear them make go? I mean, I like the concept of time during a pandemic. I mean all of this like it doesn't make sense, you know. And so I felt like I gave her enough time to say what she needed to say, but then she wasn't leaving, and so I just had to sit there and be like, Okay, your time is up. I don't know how like how more clad I can be like you need to go? Do you wish in that moment, Matt would have stepped up a little bit because I felt like he left it up to the two of you. But also there are moments where you want the guy to want to spend time with you and be like no, you know, like you're on this date, Sarah, kindly leave, let me have the time with Katie. Do you wish he stepped up in that moment. Absolutely. It's so awkward as we're getting to know Matt for him to have to see me being like this like leader and like essentially a little gushy like hey, this is my time, and I'm just like kind of sitting there like okay, Sarah moved no. But also he's never gone through this experience, and so I don't want to see. My expectations were low. It's just we're all kind of navigating this together, and he's trying to do right by all the women he's dating. Obviously he's coming off his high with his one on one with her, so I don't know how that went with him. So he probably doesn't know the right way to handle it, as none of us really do while we go through this. But yeah, it is unfortunate to have to kind of take charge and be like, this is my time, this is my group date that you are not on. Keep in mind you had your one on one date why or yeah? You know, so it was meeting for sure. I can't even imagine being in that situation. Like as I was watching and I kept thinking, how would I handle this? Because you think you know what you would do, but you really don't know until you're in that situation. I have to say you were definitely the bigger person because Sarah didn't care about your feelings or anybody else's that was on that date. But yet she expected you to care about her feelings and how she was feeling and what her motives were by taking time away from you, guys. And then even on that date, after she gets emotional, we see you go after her to have a conversation. What was going through your mind when you decided to do that and why I was started to check in with her. You know, I was getting mixed emotions from her and feedback from her, mixed feedback from the girls, Like nothing was really making sense that night, and so I just kind of wanted to talk to her, just meet her, no Matt, no girls, and just kind of figure out, you know, what's going on? What can we do to give you the clarity, because like I said, I thought maybe she was trying to go home that night, and if that's what she wanted to do, I will give her her five minutes to say good bye, you know. But they was saying just different things. Nothing really made sense to me, and so I personally was just trying to get clarity and understanding why she felt like that night was a good time to talk to Matt when there was no closure at that time for what she was going to do. And so I want to get into because obviously the close of that evening, you know, no one was I think thrilled by any means. And then it trickled down into the next day. We saw Sarah locked in her room. All of the girls, are you talking about what went down? And why she's not here and how she's kind of trying to soak in this attention if you will, and say she's going to leave and come back, And there was just a whole lot of mess going on when it came to Sarah this week, I will say, I think going to a group of girl girls, what was there at that point twenty four maybe of you, I don't even know. There's so so many, you know, for Sarah to walk in into this arena, if you will have all these women, and I'm sure she knew what she was going to be getting thrown at her the way that you then approached her later on and had this one on one conversation when she was questioning going home, and in that moment, what made you compelled to go up to her room and sit down with her and have that conversation and hash it out like an adult? I mean, just like human to human. You watch this woman just be verbally abused by everybody, you know. And sure she's been gone all day and everyone's entitled to their emotions and that's fine, but like to witness it, it just it wasn't fun to watch. She just felt like you were watching this girl get beat up for no reason. She interrupted me, and I felt like I was less mad than some of the other girls who weren't even on the date, you know. And like I said, this environment just kind of changes you a little bit. Tensions are high, you don't have your phone, and so it's a tough environment to be in. It's it's the hardest thing I'm sure any of us have ever done. And so you know, when I thought that maybe she was going to leave, well, I didn't want to have happened was Matt to feel like she was the one that got away, you know, And so I wanted to really just make sure she was leaving on her own and that there wasn't any unresolved feelings from Matt, because ultimately, if she has feelings from Matt, I need her to stay and explore that out completely. You know, I don't want to be Matt's backup plan if Sarah was his first choice, you know, And so just checking on her and saying like, hey, how are you doing if you're leaving, because you know, the girls like I will have your back, Like if you have feelings from Matt, just explore that and focus on that. And so that was really the motivation behind it, is like I don't want to be Matt's plan. B H. Do you really think that the girls didn't have a reason to be upset? Because I agree with you, the way they handled it was not okay. I'm I'm not big on like ganging up on one person, just like last week, I wasn't well, that wasn't the whole gang. But I didn't like the way Victoria handled the Maryland situation, so this week I didn't appreciate that it was her against everyone else. I would have gone to her personally, but you said, you know, you were interrupted. You and the girls were more mad that weren't even interrupted. But I do think the women had a reason to be mad. I'm interested in why you don't think they did. I mean, I think everyone can be mad. It's just how you handle it, you know. And yes, the whole Sarah situation took up a lot of the Rose ceremony and then into the next day. You know, we don't see her, so we don't know what's going on, where she's at, what's happening, And so ultimately, I do think Sarah could have also handled things differently. You know, I think her being gone all day didn't help the situation at all, because then we're all speculating what's going on? Is this an act? Why she doing it this way? You know, I just can't sit there and allow people to bad mouth somebody. You know, we can be upset that our time is disrupted, but it just felt I don't know, it's just hard to watch, you know, It's one thing when it's two girls fighting, that's going to happen in this environment, but when you just feel like the whole house came down on one girl and so early on it, just as a human, I just I couldn't feel good watching that. I will say I appreciated the fact that you did take initiative to go up to her room and have a one on one conversation with her. I would hope that maybe some other girls wanted to and it just wasn't aired or shown or you know, couldn't pan out based on timing. And also to you, I think we're the best person out of the entire group of women to do that. Not only could you be this bigger person and have the confidence to say like, look, you know, if you still have feelings, you need to explore that. Like most people I think would be like no leave by, I will help you pack your bags and wheel it out, you know. And so the fact that you, you know, again, it comes with maturity and just being confident in yourself, I think to say that say, but also I found did and because I can relate to you very much, so the fact that you were able to relate to her when she opened up to you about her family and her dad and the fact that he is very sick and she's kind of the caretaker with her family members. I thought that was a really special moment, and just for me personally, my father, like you, passed away about ten years ago now, and so I think to have somebody that relates and that gets in and has lived through that helped her astronomically, I think make this decision for her. Did you after having that conversation just feel more bonded with her? And have you kept in touch with her since regarding her father and the illness if you will. Yeah, you know, that moment for me was probably one of the most raw moments in our experience together because I had no idea. You know, it's so early on, we don't have time to really get to know the girls in our backgrounds, and so when that happened, it was, you know, just the most genuine, unpredictable bond that I was going to have with her, you know, And when she said it, I just I felt like this like tingling feeling of just like oh my god, you know, I'm feeling it right now as you're talking about it, and I get it, yeah, you know, And it's hard, and then you just you I instantly just felt very protective over her, regardless of dating the same guy, regardless of what drama has happened at this point. Family's family, and like losing a parent is really hard, and if she's struggling with that, I cannot do anything, but you know, respect her for wanting to be with her family, you know, and I'm sure you can understand we would do anything for more time with our dad, and so yeah, it was just the most unexpected moment while I was there, and definitely bonded with her over that and became very protective over her because we don't know what's going on in anybody's lives, you know, And so here America can watch everybody and judge and critique, but we don't know everyone's story. And that's how I felt like with Sarah, And once I got to know her story, I understood everything she was going through and respected her decision. Yeah, we don't see those moments very often, you know. We we there people are typecasted and we see them playing a certain role, whether they're trying to do it or it's just the way the story is told through the season. And so I found it. I didn't know that that's where it was going to go, and to see even even knowing because we were privy as viewers at that point to know that her father had been diagnosed with als, but had no idea how you were going to open up with her and how you were out you all were going to share that bond and it really was something, and honestly, it checked me. It was like, you know what, you don't know what everybody's going through. Now, that's not going to stop me from giving my opinion on certain people, but it was like, you you really don't know. That. Being said, if Sarah chose not to go home, right, she was just like, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna do something for myself because it really does seem like Sarah is a very selfless person when you watched her package, when you watch her navigate the show, when she talks about her father, she's selfless. But we saw, you know, a different side of her. Do you think, knowing how the rest of the season goes, you know, with the extra women, with the alleged escort, with whatever whatever other drama we don't know about, do you think she would have survived? I really don't. I mean, like I've said, it is the hardest thing any of us have gone through, and if you have a big family thing looming over your head during all this, you can't really expect yourself to give you all, you know, And I espec as she might want to, it's just not her time. And I am probably glad she left when she did, because, as you've seen in previews, things are only going to get more intense, and if she was feeling this way so early on, it was probably a good time for her to consider leading the show. Yeah, yeah, I think like you know, because I felt like, as a viewer all episode, things are escalating and escalating and escalating and getting worse and worse with her to the point where I was like, oh no, like this is not going to be good for her. I know what's to come when the show is done airing, what people, what the fans and the followers are going to say about her. And so I think that moment perfect timing on your part and her making this decision to you know, finally say like an actual goodbye to Mat and leave all worked out in the end. But yeah, it could have been bad. But I'm just glad that we were able to see, as Rachel said, more of this, this human side to both of you. And we talk at length every podcast. I think we say this is like we only see two hours of an episode. You guys are filming basically twenty four to seven. There's so much more. There's so much backstory to everyone to still you know, even in moments where you like think somebody's a villain and hate them and think they're manipulative, and I will say, like I get wrapped up in it too as well. It's it's what the show does, it's why it's you know, been around for so long. But to have grace on everyone that's putting their lives on the line and their lives on hold and coming out here to do this just to hopefully find love. Yeah, I mean, the internet is harsh, and you know, I do want to take this time to remind everyone we all have our own stories in our backgrounds, and we are the way we are for you know, certain reasons. Some people are amazing individuals and some people are struggling during this whole time. And you know, I've seen some things being said about some of the girls and it's just a good reminder that we all have our own stories outside of the show, and we all are just regular people, and to remind people to just think twice before being just this internetural. Really that's two questions. Yeah one this is a logistic list is logistics. Everyone kept saying Sarah was hiding in her room? Did she not have a roommate? And if so, who was it? You know, if that was so long a though, I really don't remember who her roommate was. If anybody m yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just know, like I know, there was a time when I went to try and find her and we couldn't find her, so she was definitely gone. She was okay, couldn't find her. There are times people tried to find her. She was missing. So I just kept saying, where who is her roommate? Like can't we can't we do like a wellness check, Like can't she just knock on the door and be like, hey girl, you're all right in there, or use her key to get in there. I was so confused by this um and then the other thing. It was just what you were saying about, like like no one should be, you know, a troll, And I and like, we definitely have had our fair share of criticism when it comes to being contestants and the leads and now doing this podcast. But what about people, And I'm specifically speaking about Victoria. Um, I'm sure there are other sides of her, but Victoria to me is not a Sarah who you know was struggling with you know, yes, with what at home, but also just navigating how hard this in vironment is, which you know it's difficult and you question yourself a lot. That's not Victoria. So what would you say to the people who it's like, maybe bring on this type of attention because they're playing into a certain role for her. I guess it's the quin. Yeah, you know, I've struggled with that because obviously a lot of people want to know, you know, what is she like? And you know, ultimately I don't. I mean, we are there on our own free will and do and say what we want. And if you want to lean into your you know, so called persona and just be this like ultimate villain, that's your choice to make and the consequences for you to deal with. You know. Yeah, I do think Victoria probably has some great moments that you know, America might get to see or not see. I don't know, but ultimately we make the decisions we make when we do and say the things we do. And fortunately she may not have realized what she does and says and how it comes off. And I do hope she grows from this. But yeah, I mean, you see him previews her and I don't exactly see I I and we'll just see how that goes going forward. I want to know. And this is something I brought up to Rachel this morning, is why did no one tell Victoria to change her bra? And like, I don't want to pick apart somebody's attire, I think, like when you get into the pettiness of that, but like twice now her black brie is showing throughout the dresses, and like, was no one there to be like honey, like here are some chicken cutlets you can stick on your boobs, like maybe push it down a little bit. Where where was wardrobe here? I mean, you guys saw how Marilyn, who's just so sweet, tried to speak to her on a very neutral ground, very sweet level. So you can only imagine what it would be like when someone was correcting her on her parents or her wardrobe. So so she had no friends. She had no friends. That's why I tell Becca she's no friends in the house. You know. What I mean? Interesting though, is because we do see her in moments and maybe no one else has really picked up on it. But like she'll go and like hug the other girls and like lean into them, and so it's like, I feel like she's still correct me if I'm wrong, Katie, But it seemed like she did still form some friendships with some of the women. Yeah, I mean, she definitely has her good and bad moments, like we all do. Like I said, that date either Erotica date, she was hilarious. She was a superstar that date. We all loved it and laughed and it kind of brought us all together for at least a moment of time. But yeah, I mean, there's only so much that can be shown in the two hours. And like I said, you can't edit someone to be a certain way because you said what you said, you did what you did. Yeah, that she has good moments when she's the ciner of attention, and that's basically what I just learned. When she's the center of attention, she's the star, you know, And everybody's laughing with her. You know, it's something that she's done. She's it's a good day for her when she's not getting the attention. We see how that goes real quick. Before we ask you the last question, I do want to say, because you brought up Marylyn, I'm not sure if you guys were aware in the moment that Victoria and Marylyn kind of had that beef. I don't know if you were privy to what we've now seen as viewers when Matt sent Marylyn home. Did that make you question Matt at that time, where you like, how could you keep this one over? This one? Well, two guys went through my head. One was yeah, absolutely, Like Marilyn is a sweetheart, and what I've seen in Victoria at that point send her home, you know. But also I don't see these private moments he's having with all these other women, including Victoria, and I'm like, is she's just really good in her one on one time with Matt? What's happening? You know? Like I see him kiss at the wedding day and so I'm like, is there actually a connection that I'm just like blind to you right now? And so it did have me a little nervous because not only with Victoria but everyone else. And so it's like, if Victoria's still here, what kind of connections is he building with all these other women that I'm just like naive too, And so that probably a really hard part for me is yeah, seeing Victoria's stay and wondering, you know, why did you see his face when he kissed her on that wedding day in a moment I was not watching, but Clater, I have seen his days and it's yeah, if you still if you still currently have that episode recorded, I suggest you rewind and do it in SloMo and see the look. You know, men are terrible at hiding how they feel, so it's very obvious to tell who they're into and who they're not. They just they just don't have that gift that women have. H I'm just say, not the best actor, if you will. Okay, Katie, one more question before we get into a game, because we love our games, and this is something that we ask every guest that we have on and and for the viewers obvious. So we've only seen three episodes at this point. So up until this point in your experience, what has been your rose and what has been your thorn. Oh, the thorn would be just the drama. I know that's such like a generic answer, but it's so early and it does take so much away from you and the nights and the environments. Definitely just the drama, as vague as that is. The rose, I mean, you didn't get to see it. But Matt and I we get to kiss and we have this moment and you know, we are building a connection up to this point, and it's exciting because this is the first time I've been able to just be fully myself and he's been accepting of that, including you know, my night one entrance, and so for me, that's pretty exciting to feel like I'm you know, on track, you know, given episode three and where I feel like I stand with you know, Matt and I. How is he is a kisser? I think he's a great kisser. Actually true. I saw Abigail like not really respond. I'm like, I had a great kiss with him. She's more preserved. Did he kiss you with his eyes open? Did he kiss you with his eyes open? Hey, my eyes are closed. I wasn't paying attention. He goes, he goes mouth and eyes open, and I'm just like, this is not okay, this is I just I don't know how to reason it. I mean, I'm sure I've heard now from multiple people that he that he kisses with his eyes of him and it's like paid attention. He does, and he addressed it. You know, he's saying, he's like he's figured. Like people are interrupting so many times, like how do you really enjoy a kiss when you just feel like you just hear a rumble? Oh girl, you do? You do? You're talking to two leads. You get used to it really quick. And if you ever we don't know how far you go, we don't know what happens, but if you ever get the opportunity to be the lead, believe me, your eyes will be closed. You want to pretend no one's there you and yeah, you're give a shit level. When you're the lead is just like whatever. We don't know how far you make it on this season or not, but when you are the lead, you know what it's like to be a contestant, and then you know what it's like to be a lead, and that's something that Matt doesn't have that experience, So you'll navigate it in a different way because you'll have seen both sides of it. You know, yeah, you'll know what you're getting into, Katie. It has been so fun and we can already tell that you are just a blast to us, and I'm sure you were with the other girls in the house. But with that being said, we always love to play our fun little games that reveal a little bit more about your housemates. So since it's no secret that you're familiar with good vibrations, we're gonna play a little game called vibe Check. So we're gonna ask you a series of fill in the blank questions and you just need to choose one of the women in the house who best fits that vibe. So you can say any women, you can say yourself, and just spur the moment whoever you think fits. Okay, Okay, all right, so the first one, I'll kick it off Ridge. If Matt's Season or the Oscars blank would win Best Actress. Victoria m I'm convinced she really is an actress. Okay, So that thats if you if you answer Victoria on all these I get it. But she's gonna listen to this now and think that she's gonna have her career in acting. She's gonna get into Hollywood. She might, she might, Who knows, she'll be on another reality TV show. Number two. There is a zombie apocalypse and Nimmy Colin Blank is most likely to survive. Brie comes to mind right away. I don't know. I don't have a specific reason, but Brie. Okay, all right. Vogue is choosing one of Matt's girls for their most Stylish issue, and Blank will be featured. Kit m Yeah, I see that without a doubt. She was my roommate and our styles are very opposite. Did she wait? Did she offer like, like, hey, you know, Katie, do you want to wear this? Or maybe you should try this? Or maybe did y'all? Did she do that? I think twice she called me a softre mom. Oh my god. I can only imagine what she would call me if she would. I like it. So I like this pairing with the two of you together. Did you pick? Did you get a pick? Or did the team choose for you? We just had a roommate and Kit was my roommate. Okay, yeah. Um, the river at Nima Colon is flooded with tears. Blank is the culprit. It's like me or Rachel. Honestly, you really we've seen your craw wants, We've seen your cry wants. I was taken aback, but I was like, okay, that's fine. I cried. We all cry. We all cry. Well, when you're thrown into this weird position where there's a lack of sleep, you can't always eat at your normal times, you can't have your phones. I get it. I went into this season be like I'm not going to cry, and I think I cracked week two. I was like, damn it, Yeah, I get it. Okay. If all of Matt's girls were cupcakes, Blank would be the sweetest Maggie. Oh Maggie. I love Maggie. Yeah, she was one of our favorite since the beginning. Went through the cast bios. All right. The Fantasy suitees opened up a few weeks early, and Blank is the first one ready to attack Rachel. Really Rachel. She's very outgoing. I know we haven't seen it. Well, we know she was. She was being dragged down by somebody in the Hunger Games Capture the Heart date, right, I don't know I on the prize. I mean I like it because this is what this is why I like interviewing you guys, because I would have never pegged her. She's either you know, like sad about not getting time or crying. We did see your personality in the erotica date more. But yeah, okay, that's interesting. I like that all right. Next, there's a Survivor theme date on the season. The girls are kicking Blank off the island kit. Oh whoa there room made out there like that? Right? I mean the city girl like when it comes to survival. I just I think she'd be a burden more than a help. Honestly, the sun is out in nimicolon. You can count on Blank to bring the shade. Oh, Victoria, she's mean. She's not say people are funny, She's just mean. Okay. Chris Harrison is to drama as Blank is to comedy. Oh, I mean, actually I will say Chelsea. Chelsea's a funny girl. I'm gonna say Chelsea. Okay, were you almost gonna say yourself? I was? But that's okay, But Chelsea entertained a lot. Okay, I want to see more on Chelsea. Instagram is looking for its next big influencer. Blank fits the bill. Now you've already you've already given up on one, so you gotta you gotta know this one's easy. Well, and it's tied between two, but I'm gonna go with Sarah, who laughed. She if you've seen her Instagram, she needs to write a book on how to be an Instagram influencer. Oh my god, maybe she could teach me able to do with my hands in a photo. She's amazed, like she's like an A plus Instagram, Like if I had a grade anyone's versus an A plus m hm, and she laughed early. You know, most people who have that big the dream of being the next big influencer, I want to make it as far as they can for the followers. Kudos to her, you know, seems like she really left because she really needed to go, So good for her. Yeah, okay, last, but not at least in this game called good Vibes. Bad Shirt in Paradise is looking for its next vixen, and Blink has her bikini packed. M Atlanta? Who's Atlanta? The reason we have a slight, Paul, I need to understand it's because we don't know who they. I'm looking at a chart. Every time you say a name, I'll pull up the chart. I gotta plant on him too, I am now she hasn't she has. We haven't seen a lot of her on the screen, but I just want to explain the pauses in the podcast. We're trying to rack our brain with who this person is she the blonde? No, no, no, she has some commentary episode two. She's just she's a beautiful girl and would do great on Paradise. You know what I think screws me up is because when this episode that we just saw happened last night started, we only saw Marilyn leaves. So now I don't know who actually left and who's still here. That's why so true because you know who I thought left was Anna, and I was shocked when I saw her on the group date. I was like, wait a minute, No, no no, no, she left, but maybe that was Iliana. I'm not quite sure. Oh oh, so Aliana and Alanna both left? No, no no, no, Anna's still there? No Amati Alanna? Oh wait, am still there? Alana spaghetti girl, Alana's lady in the tramp. She left, and Iliana left. Okay, Fianna's not Anna, Patia Potato. She's ready, She's ready, Okay Alana? Okay, all right, Well that was the end of our our our question game. Katie. It's been so fun to talk to you. I mean, I I kind of want you to come back and I want to talk again because like, I feel like it's too early for us to be talking to you, Like I want to see more from you, and then I want to talk to you again. I just like you. We like you a lot. We're big fans of you on the show, Yeah we are. We are huge fans of Katie. Um. Actually, I want to ask this one last question before we actually get you. I know we always say this one more, one more so, and Rachel touched on this in the trailer. Next week, we obviously see it. Well, apparently five new girls come in and so if you had to fill in the blank for what it's gonna look like, give us three words for the rest of the season. When when these new women walking tears and a drama, I mean, it's so cliche. That's that's it. That's what sounds like The Bachelor. It sounds like all it meant. Last week's episode was boring, this week was great, and it sounds like next week it's really taking off. So I'm excited. Do we dare say this might? Well? I think last last season kind of topped, but could this be one of the most traumatic seasons of the Bachelor ever? You know, it's been a while and I think, having lived it, I think it could be. Katie. It has been an absolute pleasure having you on, and as Rachel said, we would love to have you back one days, you know, pending if you make it far. If you don't, who knows. I hope to God regardless we see more of you. So thank you for joining us at bout your Happy Hour today. Thank you it's funny guys, and thank you for just being you. You know, it's not trying to be anything else, like just going in, taking the experience for what it is and like just figuring out it out as you go, you know, just being yourself. And yeah, but really, you know, I think the one way to be successful in this season is just to be open and to whatever comes your way. Friendship, love, opportunity, it just it doesn't matter. So I'm excited to see you there. Yeah, thanks, ladies. I appreciate your name. Okay, I'm a huge Katie fan, always was. I feel like we're a good judge of character here on Bachelor Happy Hour, and Katie did not disappoint. But that's what I'm saying, I'm kind of bummed we got here so early because I feel like she's gonna go far. We just don't know how far. Because she's kind she's kind of given us all at this point. She's funny, she's smart, she's one of the older and I'm using that in quotes women in the House. Now we've seen another side of her in a conversation with Sarah. We've seen the vulnerable side of her. We've gotten to know a little bit about her family and what she's gone through in certain life experiences, and I'm like, gosh, she's like the whole package to me. Plus and I mean to tell her this, she's freaking Christina Shalman all. I mean to tell her that she well, she obviously knows because she says she's well versed in Bachelor, but she is just like Christina did when Christina was on NIX season. She I like her. I mean I liked her since the premiere night. I mean, I thought she was hilarious with the vibrator. But she seems like she has so many facets and she's probably one of the only contestants so far. And yes, we've only seen three episodes but one of the only contestants that we've seen so many sides too. You know, usually we see like like of it Toorio where it's just like this villain edit if you will, or like the Queen and some of the other girls who have you know, like we're seeing so much of her story And the fact though, is that she's still so down to earth and still knows who she is and owns it and doesn't change to a pease match. She doesn't change to appease the women or for the TV show. I just really like, like what we see is what we got with her today and then some yeah, no, absolutely, Katie is the real deal. And you know, we try to like poke around a bit with Katie about the trailer that we saw at the end, the sneak peek for the next episode. Becca. These producers know what they're doing. I mean we say it all the time. There's a reason the show is still on in twenty twenty one. Next week looks so good. This is what we've been waiting for. We've known that there are more women, we've known that there's an alleged escort. Now we're going to get to meet these I'm so excited and how about the one girl, the one girl who's like, well, I guess they say the best to last. Oh God, Victoria versus Harror. That's what I need to see. I just I like, I try to put myself in that position, Like if I was one of these remaining girls who have already been here for a few weeks, how would I feel? And obviously we saw it happen last season when Tasia came in and we had a new crop of guys coming out of the limou. That made sense to me because we had a new batch start. You had to give her this proper entrance, this proper moment if you will, to like really initiate somebody into being the lead. And here I'm like, what the hell is happening? Matt's already been the lead for a few weeks, like, and it makes me think like, is this now? Is this going to be the standard from here or out? Is every season going to have this new flock of people come in after a three or four weeks. Now, I don't just a heart to handle it. This is just pandemic thing, right, I would? So I think maybe the fact that they can't travel, they can't you know, like they're really trying to make do with what they can at one resort, which and they're doing an incredible job. I will give I will give the show that, but yeah, there needs to be something to spice it up. But man, I'm if I was one of those remaining girls that that's already been there, I would have lost my mind. You would have found me by the meatballs out have been like I'm done, I'm just gonna eat. I'm gonna hang out. Whenever I have to go, I'll go home. You know, Like it's just you would have been with Sarah up in the room. You would have been buy yourself up in a room staring out a window. Look, it's just just just staring. No, because that's ally with the donkeys. I would have been running the farm with the donkeys or something. What's interesting is we don't know a lot about Matt right And I got a lot of people and I'm sure you did too, who wrote me saying that thank you so much for the podcast that you had last week with Matt, because we feel like we're getting to know a lot more of him because you don't really see it on the show. I mean, you're seeing the personality of the women. We don't really see a lot from Matt, and that's because we haven't him from prior season. So the only thing we can gather for Matt is how we've seen him behave in other episodes and the way he's sent home Maryland, who seems to be his sweetheart, played by the rules, a straight lace girl, but keeping a Victoria, who he said on our podcast he found so funny when we were like trying to dig for the humor. He found her funny, He liked her. It lets me know that with these this new group of women, the one who said, oh he saved the best for last, that's Matt's type. Matt likes a girl who pushes the bounds, you know what I mean, who pushed the boundaries well, and don't forget remember last week when we had him on, we asked him who was the best kisser and he mentioned it's one of the girls that as yet to say. I'm saying, y'all, we are in for a treat and I'm ready, wait, ready with the popcorn. Rachel come over. We will have popcorn, We'll have some bordone. We'll get a little loose, like next week is going to be one a. I guess it is books you guys, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode, and we are all in for a treat next week and thereafter. We can't like to see what's ahead this season. And while we have no idea what's going to play out, we do know that we are going to bring you the best guest and the best teasers. 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