#228 -Colbie Caillat on Overcoming Stage Fright + Her new band ‘Gone West’ + Getting Discovered on MySpace at 20 Years Old

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Speaker 1: Are about to get into the podcast with Colby cal A, who we have met a few times. Let's see, back in the day when I was doing pop radio, she would do the regular station thing, so no way she would know me from then, but I met her then we do get in the podcast talking about how I awkwardly shot her on Instagram over and over again. I thought it was hilarious. Um, so that comes up. Met her there and then we were looking for artists for our Raging Idiots Million Dollars show because we had you know, we do it every year and invite a bunch of artists, and I thought it'd be fun to get call Way to play, and then Gone Western Band played, So um yeah. We've had a few interactions, but I would say, until this podcast you're about to hear we kind of hadn't spend any time together, like hanging out or anything. But I enjoyed it. You're gonna hear a little bit. I enjoyed. I feel like there aren't I feel like her and I and her her fiance. I felt like we would probably be able to hang out a little bit because she's pretty chill, and I felt like as it went a look because I never try to hang out with anybody because I'm like, you know what, I'm so just to myself. I'm not trying to hang out and be friends with it. But it's you'll hear she's very much like that too. Were surprised that. Yeah, she has like a very warm presence to her. I was just talking about how how shy and introverted that she said she was, but um, I did not bring up and I'll kind of roll through this a little bit. Um, I guess she's hardcore vegan. Hardcore vegan or vegan vegan. She supported animal rights and as a vegan, Yeah, I wish I was all about something. I just wanted anything. Uh So Kobe Ki coming up in a second. Let me recommend that you check out movie Movie Mike's podcast over there. It's called a Movie Mike's Movie Podcast where if you love movies, he's the guy to check out his podcast. 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Um anything Else, Mike. Before we get into Colby l A, I think we got it at all. Okay, enjoy I really enjoyed my talk with Colby. We um talk for an hour. I think we were both surprised when it was over that it was an hour long. Some of these just kind of fly by, some of them don't. Some of them are like, boy, we had to be here for at least getting close to our nineteen minutes. Oh my god, the really good ones are get like forty minutes in, and we haven't talked about any music. Yeah, and I felt like we Koby and I could have done that here, but I wanted to talk about her her band first, just kind of go there. Um, But yeah, I thought it was good. Here you go, enjoy check out the podcasts um and if you don't mind throw us a rating, just give us how many stars max star five stars, give us five stars, and ride a nice comment that really does matter. And this podcast is blowing up unbelievably. I can't even believe how big this thing is getting. That's the you're gonna be talking about. I just can't believe it. So and that's all thanks to you guys. So if you don't mind hitting that up, rating it, reviewing it, that would be awesome. And uh, here you go. Alright, episode with Kolby cal As. I was telling you who were just talking and I said, just just roll on it. Um. So we started doing this podcast, Mike how long ago, like three years ago, and I was us doing it from my house because I was like, you know, one who would like to talk to long former actual songwriters, and I'd like to kind of go a little deeper because I have friends, and I do comedy and I write books. So it's just a different it's it's exposure to a different kind of um the process that you get, like people see the stage, but they don't see everything else. And so we started doing it thinking nobody would listen because yeah, it was just a passion project. But I would bring on my favorite songwriters. And again I was being very selfish because and there were some of my friends that I would never get to ask real deep questions about work with because you just don't do that with your friends. Maybe you do if the settings right, but you don't go to dinner with your friend and their wife and go so track six um. So it started from that, and then as it started to get bigger and bigger, then sponsors wanted to get involved. And now it's like one of the biggest So we didn't expect it to be this um And that's the whole thing. And yes, everybody comes to the house because I don't want to go back to the studio. Oh this is perfect. Yeah, and do you you don't say where you let you live close to here, Yeah, you do live not far. Some people were like be there at six pm. And then Joe Diffey it took him like what hour and forty minutes to get like, I'm not sure if he walked. There's bad traffic here but at me and that's a little much. Well, good to see you, Good to see you. So how you been. What's happening? Um? Being good? Had some a little bit of time off after you know, the holidays, and we had a lot, you know with the Gone West, the bandam and we've been touring a lot the last year, so it was nice to have some time back in California with family. And now it's good to be back here in Nashville. So when you guys start back as Gone West, you kind of have to start over again, which is I guess probably weird for you to have to start over, but also it's got to be weird to start over. But everybody already knows who you are when you're trying to spread it amongst four like that would be an uncomfortable thing you have to deal with upfront, I'm sure. So you walk into a radio station but you're Colby Keli, but you have three people nobody's ever heard of yet. How does that and how does that work? Well, Yeah, it's interesting, And I think the funny part about it is I wanted to be in a band because I the spotlight would be off me and it would just you know, I, it wouldn't just be only me, and it's not now it's it's all of us. But there is still that factor that you know, they know who I am, and they know my music, and there's a lot of them that want to extra picture after with just me or they want their request one of my songs. And it's been an interesting thing to balance because you know, you don't want to upset people, but I also wanted to be focused on Gone West and and um, I'll still do my music on the side. But it's just a balance that we're learning still. Basically, do you have to have that conversation with the guys and I'm sure they know going into it as well. I mean, you're famous, and there really great musicians, but they're not famous yet. So is that something you guys sit in a room and go, Okay, here's what's gonna happen. Here's not what we're gonna deal with it Because I have to do that with my show all the time, do you. Yeah, we have to talk about scenarios that could probably happen whenever we when something thing like this, just to be prepared for. That's smart, that's a really good idea. Um. No, therapy, no like paramore go to therapy as a group. Oh no, there's a group therapy. No, I think there's I mean, therapy is just healthy. There's a lot of different dynamics. And you know, we all started out as friends. Like we've been friends for about fourteen years, and we're two couples in the band, and I think that we've all been our own solo artists and individual songwriters and to now do this all together, it's, um, it's an important thing for us to be able to get help, have help with our communication basically because they're really good, like the next next level sounding good. I didn't know. I knew you were good, but I didn't know until you guys played just how good you were. And I think maybe you're having to do that now. I go show people. Yeah, yeah, we're having it. We're going to play our songs and you know, we love this album that we made and it's it's taken us like two and a half years to write this album, but we wrote it all together. And and yeah, I think just the factor of with with my name in in the band. Um, they all knew that going into it, and they so it's nothing that they were, you know, going to have an issue with or be worried about. You know, everyone was prepared. They've known me forever, so they knew that was a part of it. Now are you only doing Gone West or you also doing solo stuff. I'm doing occasional solo stuff, but not really like I'll do an occasional show here and there, a festival, but um, we're Gone West is taking up so much of our time. So you're saying you're not pursuing anything solo, like creating and putting out new Music's not right now. I want to though, Like I want to start doing that in the next couple of months. And and um, you know I write by myself at home sometimes, but I want to book some sessions just for me that I can think of putting out in the in the future. But you know, there's no plan for that as of yet. Because yeah, is that co write a little weird to you that it's such a culture in Nashville. Since you do write a lot by yourself, well, I've I'm used to co writing, so all my most of my songs i've co written. You know, my first album I co wrote with Jason Reeves who's in Gone West. And um, I think the differences is in l A. And as an artist, we you know, I would write on the road, but I would I would mainly write when I have an album I'm writing for, and I'd keep stuff like in the bank, so i'd i'd start something on the road and i'd bring it into a session in l A. And Um, I think the difference here is is people right like one to two songs a day. It's like a nine to five job, and they're so um, they're so professional at it, they're so you know, well, um, just you know, their craft has been so mastered and so for me, I take a long break before I write again. And so I think that's been the interesting thing about coming here and having to write more often because I didn't do that with my solo career. I would start songs by myself and i'd i'd booked some writing sessions you know, here and there, and then i'd have an album and here you you end up writing a lot more. You mentioned Jason wrote the song are You and Jason worked on the first record together. Do you guys have been riding together that long? Yeah? Wow? Yeah. So how did you two initially start working to other or get to know each other? It's kind of crazy. So um, ultimately it was from the guy who ended up producing my album Coco, Michael Blue. He was one of my dad's you know, my dad had a record label and Michael Blue was an artist at the time and he was signed to him and then ended up just going on to being a producer. So I had met Michael back then when I was like fifteen, and Michael heard me sing um. I was just like harmonizing next to him in the studio and he was like, oh my god, I should get you in the studio. And so that was my first start of like being in the studio. I was working with Michael Blue and someone that he knew, Anna, who she also worked for my dad back in the day. She met Jason randomly in New York for something and basically they connected us. Thinking Jason has to come to LA to write and you guys, you guys should just be friends. That was basically all it was. I had never written. I had written one song in my life, no one. I was nineteen nineteen and a half. And so Jason came to l A. They asked me to pick him up from the studio because he needed a friend, like a friend in l A. And we wrote a song together that night, and that was the first co write that we ever had. We didn't plan to have a co write. We just wrote in my bedroom at my house and Thousand Oaks. And so that's really how we met. It was crazy boy, that's whole like full circle here. Well, yeah, so that's why that's how this band kind of came about. Is so um, Jason's wife Danelle, who was in the Jane Dear Girls. She's lived in Nashville for fifteen years. Um. And then me and my fiance Justin, who've been together for ten years, and UM, we moved here to try living in a new city and it just kind of progressed. We all hung out and we all started writing songs together, and so then we turned it into a band. And so when for you does it go Okay? I think I want to try this. Either your board or you are uninspired what about it? Or you're just so inspired, which I'm sure as part of it too, So don't take that the wrong No, No, I know what you mean. But what pivoted you to go? Yeah? I think I want to take all my time and energy because we only have so much of it. We only have so much. It's not unlimited to take my time and energy and put it into this and put it in because we know they're gonna put their full energy in and it's gonna be up to you to do the same thing. At what point did you decide you guys wanted to do that. Um, well, it was about two and a half years ago. We just put a one writing session on the books, and I had moved to Nashville a year before. UM and I tried doing the writing thing, trying to write for other people, and I didn't really feel comfortable with it in that way. UM. And so basically I wanted to take a bunch of time off from my solo career. And I had always wanted to be in a band, like I said, because I it would take some of the spotlight off me. I'm I'm shy, I'm an introvert, and I have stage Fright, so um to me, I was like, I'll take a break from my music and see what happens. And in the process we thought starting this band sounded like a really fun idea, but really we didn't know where we were going to take it. We thought, let's write a song, see what happens. We loved the first song. We actually thought like, let's just put it up on the internet like next the next week and just let it go. And then a lot of our you know, friends and our team that we you know, my team, UM, they're like, actually, you guys kind of have something here. You guys should keep going with it. And then it turned into this two and a half year process. I want to play a few of these songs, parts of them, then I want to come back and talk about stage Fright for a second. Here is what could have been from Gone West Jack swe five that mix on this song. Do you all right, let's make all four of the vocals are exactly even. Well, that's a that's a tricky thing. So I mean that no. I swear we had no idea how difficult it was having four people in the band and in all aspects, because no one knows how to handle it like even on the road, being playing live, like anyone mixing us, it's it's a challenge because not only are there four of us, but we all sing lead at different times in different songs. So that's how it is for mixing the album, and it was the same. There's every every song has a different level, and you know, one of us is singing lead you know, on the chorus, different on each song. So um yeah, there's definitely a balance of trying to figure out how you make it sound like a harmony band, but also where you can find the lead vocal that anyone can sing along too. So do you guys go all right? That I'm at Like when if you're writing a song, like who gets it? Because listen, I'm friends with a little big town guys and they deal with this for them, you know, Karen does most of them, but Jimmy will come up and Kimberly will come up. But that's a thing with them too a little bit. But how how do you how do you get it? Who calls it? For sure? With The funny part with us is that we actually want the other person to do it, So there's it's an exhaustion of the no you do it. No, your your voice, it sound amazing, like we're always encouraging the other person to sing, which is kind of funny. Um, And so really it just depends on, you know a lot of times. Like we have a song on the album called Knew You that we thought it was going to be a boy singing it, one of the boys, and then we started recording it and we were like, oh, actually the lyrics just don't sound right coming from a mail So then we had to rerecord the whole song, change the key, make it from a girl's perspective. And then in that sense, it's it's deciding if Nelly or I do it, or if we take a verse or you know, usually I'm on the choruses, I'm I'm lead on the chorus, and then um, you know she's more soprano, I'm more alto singer. So it really is a tricky thing. Every single song has been completely different. Here is and by the way, self titled songs are very rare, very very rare. I'm on West. Yeah, well we wrote it after the band name, so justin came up with the idea of wanting to, you know, make a explain the genesis of where this band came from, and how we're couples, and how we're from west of Tennessee and um, so yeah, it's interesting. Here has gone west you can name and then here is confetti. Yeah and bain when I'm broke into that bottle. I've what was your big takeaway hopping in the studio and having three other artists at the same time, where so many times you're in and it's a solo project, you know, I think it's really fun because there's, um, I like, not only like I've said that, the attentions, the spotlight, it's not only on me, but I love getting to watch all of them sing their verses or I love the feeling when we all come in together on a harmony, on the chorus or on some part of a verse. And so it makes it really fun, um that that we share the work and that we share the celebration and the hard times. And so I think that it I've liked it. Your fiance justin tall, great looking, can sing is my type. But it's my type of guy. Yeah. Yeah, you guys, you said you've been together ten years. What we said and did you ever go? I don't know if we should bet a band together, because that makes like a reality show, like we don't know what we we should a reality show, becau may break us up. Did you ever think that that be a little added pressure? I mean, I know a lot of people think that. And the thing is that both of us couples in the band, we actually started out working together as friends and then fell in love. So Jason and Nelly they met in a writing session in Nashville ten years ago and they started dating a year and a half after that, and now that they're married and they've been making music together for years. And same with me and Justin. We were he was in my band and like thirteen years ago, and we toured together for three years and then fell in love, and so we knew what touring and traveling and the whole dynamics of writing together according together. And obviously this is a heightened version of it, but um, I think we knew. We knew we could handle it because that's how we started. That's all we've known. When you were you and Humor together and I was just being funny. I was on an airplane with you. Do you remember I was I wanted to talk to you about this, and I was I was being really funny. We were both um, you were in like the first row and I wasn't like the third row, and I was like, oh, there's called Kale. So I just post on the Instagram being funny and then it started kind of the pick up steam with everybody was following me, and then I just did a hole. It turned into a whole diary saga on Instagram. And then we walked out of the airport and I don't think we ever said high or anything because we didn't know each other. But I was like, I think that that's Bobby. And I feel like, well, because on the plane my friends were I had Internet or whatever, I had WiFi, and they were telling me, you know that Bobby is posting about you. And I was like, what is happening? And I couldn't like see because I couldn't get the whatever Instagram to work, but I was I thought it was hilarious. And then I was like, well, if that he would say hi to me, though, but but I'm a weirdo completely so and that's what I said. I'm like, well, I'm I'm a person I don't say hi to people, just not that I don't want to. I'm shy, So I wanted to talk to you because I was like, I feel like we knew what was happening, but we never addressed it. Like and then we were together a couple of weeks ago at the rhyme and also I was just being funny, but also I'm like that too. I don't want to bother people. And I was like, you know what, I got my comedy bit out of it. People liked it. I didn't know you guys were living in Nashville though. I thought you guys were just coming to Nashville and it was you and justin together. How long have you guys been here? Three years? And why the pickup and move? Was it just musically just wanted a different vibe and inspiration I had. We had both wanted to try living somewhere different, and um, he's from Hawaii. He lived in l A for like fifteen years and I have never left California, and so it was either Hawaii or like Portland because we thought that sounded cool, um or here and here we had friends, we could do music. It just made sense that this was the smart move. And I had been coming here for years writing and I loved it and I just love the people, and Jason and Nelly really helped introduce us to a lot of friends that helped Nashville feel like home. Does it feel like home now? For sure? I mean yeah, I still miss California and I still plan on living there at some point. But I love it here and it's beautiful. There is no beach here. There's no beach. Is that what you missed the most? Or what I missed the weather like today? Did you get to enjoy today? I don't know what. That's all I do. I know I was actually gonna say I wanted to talk to you about that. How do you walk up? Because I mean everything that you do, you do so many different things. But I'm why I do everything. No, that's the real reason. If I had like an amazing skill and a skill I could craft as yourself, I would probably focus on just that. But I don't. But you have ling have a million skills in crafts. No. No, I'm hustling in like ninety areas or I'm not particularly great in any of them. I think that's how we all feel about ourselves. So you don't feel like that. No, I think a lot of people do, and I think that I want to do more than singing and writing. But I also know that this is something that I've done for so long, so it's kind of all, you know, But I do want a branch. I don't. I don't want to act or do things like that, but I think that there's I just think it's amazing because you do. I'm scared to do more. I don't think I could balance more, but I see you do it and it's impressive. Like we all look at you and we're like, dude, how do you do all the things that you do? And you seem like you enjoy it, and I hope that you do enjoy it, But it's amazing that you can balance all of that. Well, that's very kind of you to say. But in on this note that don't feel comfortable people's sake compliments take it all back? Yeah, I feel good. That's great. Yeah, I think I do it because I don't. I feel like if I ever stop, it all goes away. And I do have a bit of and who doesn't have it, you know? Imposters exactly or I really am like man when they figured out I'm only not that good, it's all gone. Why do we all think that? But if we didn't think that would we'd be as driven as we are too. So I think I've been. I'm grateful for it. I'm and I spent a lot of time with therapy, Hey a lot. I think every single human beings should be in therapy. You get to just they help you. They ask questions that you don't think that you don't even know you need, asked to help figure out something that somehow in your childhood you it messed you up or whatever is happening now in life. So my therapist now is um a relationship therapist. She doesn't that's what she focuses on. And she only has couples except for me. I go on by myself. I started like six or seven months ago because I was like I need help. Ye. I was like, whatever I'm doing, I've got everything else, Like I know how to set a goal and then go achieve it and sometimes it's harder than others. But I said, but in the relationship world, in just in a personal period, interpersonal I am not good, not great with people unless it's a microphone in front of me or I'm on a stage doing comedy. I'm awkward. All right, what are you introverted? Or extremely when it's not extrovert time. I could not be more introverted, which is why I didn't say how do you on the airplane. I was like, there's no way you wants to talk to me. I've been I've been, you know, roasting or on Instagram in a funny way obviously, but I was like, there's no way she wants to talk to me. I lower my head and got out. So it's it's life now, It's okay. So I got nothing for it. I'm just I don't want talk to people because I'm like, they don't mean to bother them. So I go and we work on it. And I spent about four months, was going once sometimes twice a week because she lives lives her off as like a block from here, which is great for me and her number. Yeah, you like absolutely, And she works with a lot of creatives, which for me, that's just a different level of psycho for us to even try to do something creative, to think that we're good enough that people want to buy what we're putting out, we're nuts, like we were broken in the way of we we know our problems and issues and we struggle, but still we think what we're good enough is good enough for people to spend their hard earned money on, and so it's just a weird world that we're creating and living in. Anyway, my point is, here's the great story to it. I went every week for like four months, and I got a freaking girlfriend and have a girlfriend in years and haven't had a girlfriend now for like how long, my like three months. Still like it helped give you the courage to I don't know if it was courage, but it was more of I started asking myself the questions that I needed to answer that I never had even questioned about myself because we're not therapist. Ude. They just put a mirror up, but some are more strategic than others and how they do it and what angle they tilted, and I was like, oh, I'm the dope. So it's basically it's basically all that. So, but therapy has been a big, big part of what I'm doing and why I do it. And I can be very vulnerable on stage. I could do an hour of stand up and say everything about me does not bother me, or get on the radio into a person. If there's these w here, probably nothing. Nope, we wouldn't be talking. I would have left if we would have shook on it and been like, yeah, let's not talk for sure. We've been going what's up with you? And justin being engaged for ten years, that's something earlier you guys were like, we're gonna put us all a decade in and then we'll talk about marriage. No, it's so funny because we've been together for so long. We got engaged like four or five years ago. Um. Sorry, I'm not talking to Mike that often. Um. I we both don't. We're not fans of weddings. Um. And back to the stage fright thing. It sounds hilarious because that's our job, but it sounds so crazy to us to have a wedding where you invite a bunch of people and you stand up in front of them and say vows like it gives us anxiety. Um. And so then we thought, well, we could just go sign papers or go get married at the courthouse. But that's not going to change anything to the dynamic of our relationship because we honestly have felt married this whole time. So that's our answer every time. So I'm not saying we're not gonna but it's definitely we have, we're good and if it works, well that's the thing, and it works for everyone, then it works. Why why do you look at the table work for everyone? No, it's it's a funny. It's a funny question because I always feel awkward to answering and not saying it's bad to ask it. It's obvious question, mr. Yeah, we we we get asked all the time, and I think that I don't want to offend people and make them think that we don't appreciate marriage or respect marriage. But I also don't think that it's only about marriage. I think that a relationship is defined on how you you know, treat each other and love each other. So I just it's it's funny. I didn't think it came off like that at all. I didn't think anyone married like that. Gold I think that was the thing at all. No, no, no, um. I want to talk about stage fright again. Odd that you would have it to someone who doesn't deal with it themselves. It's like anxiety to me where I would get anxiety and I had a lot of um of issues with I had PTSD for a long time and had a bunch of it, get getting jumped and so I would get anxiety for no reason, but then I would know there was some kind of roots to it, right, and I just never understood it until I got it, And people would say I have anxiety, and honestly, I'd be like, shut up, you know, just take a nap. And then it started to creep up on me when I couldn't control it, and I would go, oh, okay, now I feel what I've been hearing about, the same thing I would say with stage fright. So someone like yourself that is known to be a wonderful performer, like when did this start to hit? And how in the world did you get over it? It's been forever and I've never got over it even now. No, it's every time it's it's kind of like, uh, starting at square one again every time. I mean it depends if it's my own shows. I still get nervous, for sure, but like two songs in, I end up being good and I love the audience and they make me not want to get off the stage. But every time before I'm like, why would I do this? Like I'm not I don't want to be an entertainer. I loved ultimately what happened. I love singing. I've sung since I was like a kid. I wrote some songs for fun my friend from high school put them up on my space, and then because of that, I got offered a record deal that was how could I pass that up? I had this amazing opportunity of you know, I love writing songs, I love singing. I did not like the touring or the performing factor of it, and so I had to really grow and deal with that the first many years of my career. And it was torture. And you could look back at some TV performances and see it on my face. I mean everyone just it was. It was horrifying. Basically, it was just terrifying for me. UM. So I think the amount of experience I've had has helped me get through it. Um. I wouldn't say I enjoy it all the time. I'd say every time, it's like the anxiety that you're we were talking about, That's just what I feel right before I go on stage, when I'm up there. And the more I've actually learned about talking about myself and how when I'm uncomfortable, because it actually helped me feel more comfortable. So I started telling people in the past few years I have. I'm an introvert and I'm shy, and then I end up actually talking more to the audience somehow. So really letting my guard down like that has helped. TV appearances are funny because you go out and you do one song or one quick hit, and then it's over. It's like here we go, boom on the next thing. And if you're suffering from stage fright early, you're only early on TV. So you just walk out there and battle it. Battle it. It's a challenge. And I we have a Today's Show performance coming up in a couple of weeks, and I'm already mentally just trying to figure out you mean Justin and I are today he was helping me find this. There's a coach that we're trying to find what coach can help me get through it? Like meaning like figure out to get to the bottom of war or this comes from what is my reason that I have such anxiety? And why is it heightened? Like the fact, just to be honest with you, like I thought this was just like a podcast and to know there's cameras. I'm already just like I don't know why, I don't know what it is, but it makes me feel more nervous when I'm on camera or live somewhere, So it's weird. I deal with a lot of the contestants on American Idol and they come and they're like, I'm so nervous, you know, what do I do? And so and the days I think stage fright and nerves are a different thing though. Yeah, So I'm gonna ask you this question. First, what would you tell them? It said, let's say a nineteen year old girls like, what do I do about nerves? Because it's just a generic but often ask question, what would you tell them? I mean, ultimately, practicing your craft and that is that right there will give you that confidence. If you don't practice enough, or you're not prepared for the situation, of course, you're gonna have that extra layer of discomfort and and nerves are gonna mess up. Um uh taking deep breaths. I mean I had a stage coach that had told me back in the day to look in the mirror at yourself and say like five good things. Repeat five good things about yourself in the mirror. It doesn't have to be physical, it could be what ever, to just kind of build yourself up that confidence. Um, those are things I would say, and those are things I do, I don't say. I can't say that they work for me entirely or all the time. And sometimes I'll I think I'm not nervous, and I'll go out there and I'll I'll just kill it. I'll be and I'll be like, that was so much fun. How I don't know what the key was that made me not nervous. And then sometimes I'll I'll go out there and I'll just literally like barely get through a show. And it's crazy, even near the end of the show, you're still feeling in a bit more more short shows or more like I just did this um this charity event at Carnegie Hall in December, and I sang three songs with this gigantic orchestra and these incredible artists were there, and I just was. I was so scared the whole the three songs. I was like, no one they said they couldn't tell, but I was. My hands were literally shaking, I could tell, my voice was shaky. I had I lose my breath when I get nervous, and I it was just the whole three songs, and I was just looking at this opportunity that I had, and I'm like, why are you? You should be happy that you're up here, but instead I was just like, I can't wait till I'm off this stage and the pressure is off. What I was looking back at like, I'm at Carnegie Hall in New York at an amazing charity charity benefit with an orchestra and all these incredible artists. So I don't know I need I need therapy for it for sure, you know. And what I tell a lot of them is because I'll go I'm about to go out to perform in front of the judges or live on TV. And my approach is a bit more pragmatic, where I go, Hey, you already know you're gonna be nervous, So as long as you don't get up there and go, well, how do I not be nervous while you're on stage? Just except you're gonna be nervous that one later you're already passed because when you get up there, you're gonna be nervous and then you start trying to battle. How about how do I get down nervous? You just wasted a little bit of your energy and time and in mental capacity going you're already gonna be nervous, So when you walk up there, you're just gonna be nervous. Tell yourself, well, I'm about be nervous. Let's see how this goes. Yeah, and again. And then I tell them, you know, and you've done this far more than I have. Musically, I tell them, the more you do it, the more you'll be less nervous. Unless you're Calby Calais, who tends to somehow I'd be able to shake it. I know. Well, I've also heard people say, think of it as a friend, Like, think of that nerves and that fear as a friend. And then, um, also, if you imagine the scenario of it going good before you go out there, then you can already train your brain to think that it's going to go good. Um I haven't. I Sometimes I think I'm too nervous to even think of any of these things before I go out. But um, I do think that there's a way, and I plan on finding it, so I'll let you know, keep searching. I struggle with the think about if things go good. Yeah, I struggle with that one. You think it's going to go bad? Oh always always, Um, have you ever tried in the in the chemical because when I was doing Dance with Stars. I took his n X before I went out once because that my heart was just because I don't know how to dance. I'm dancing from an eight million people? What am I to even doing here? And my heart was racing out of control? And then that was that was not good because I was started, and then I wasn't really feeling Have you tried any of that? Have you tried anything to drinking anything before? Yeah? And and I don't drink too much, but I'll have like a shot of Jamison whiskey in my I just have hot water and honey on stage and then I put a shot of the Jamison in there. I feel like it helps take a little edge off. I become a little bit more like a little bit more fun. But I could never have too much booze before I go out, because um, that's accidentally happened like one time, and I feel like I can't hear myself, like I go off pitch, and then I also feel like I'm I just worry like I'm gonna trip. I just I would never want to be that boozy on stage. Um. I have tried zanex a couple of times, and I do think that it has helped because it takes the the jitters out, but again, it affects your voice. And I also don't want to have to be on Zanex every time I play a show, so I don't. I don't allow myself to do that. But believe me, I have thought about it. I didn't know that this is how dumb I am to drugs alcohol because I've I've never had drink alcohol and I've never tried to drug um because I'm afraid I'll be super addicted to it. Yeah, that's the only I would try all of them. I would love to have them all right, if I could, I just have it all um. I didn't know that there were different sizes that would do different things. So apparently I took the whale, which I should have probably taken the p and I was just like let's go and yeah, and it was just like I've heard there's different doses, like in is It Old School where he gets shot at the dart mic and he's like, yeah, that's what I felt like, That's what that's what I felt like. Yeah, you mentioned my space because I guess unless you're thirty four, thirty five and above, um, like you kind of missed that, but that was because Lady and a Bellum big myspacers. Really yeah, that's kind of how they ended up finding each other was connecting on my Space. Uh, there was a whole five or six years where a lot of artists were being broken because there are my Space pages had blown up. So for you, your friend takes your music and just uploads it onto her page or your page or how did that work? Sorry, it was him and it was he made me a page. So he he told me, Um, you know there's this thing called MySpace music. You can upload music, and um, I think that because I just had these few demos. So he put these demos up, which it was funny because bubbly there I had actually sung a line kind of wrong, like I said the wrong thing, and it was just the demo he put that up. So eventually, because that song from there got so huge, people noticed when I actually did go and change the one little line that I messed up. Um, So yeah, he he made me a page and people somehow, over honestly a few months period of time all over the world listened to it and because they you know, you could add the song to your page, which was that was so cool file Yeah, yes, exactly, You're on wallpaper. It was amazing. And so because of that, I became the number one unsigned artist. And then I got UM. I had a bunch of labels, you know, UM combiding whatever it was. It was crazy. I was twenty years old. I had literally not even asked for this to happen, or expected it to happen, or been prepared for it to happen. So how does the first person get in touch with you and do you even believe them? Well, so at that point I think I was I had I was getting I don't even remember the stats, but I had a bunch of followers or listens or whatever it was. And so my dad was like, honey, I think this is becoming a thing. We should talk to a manager and see what UM. And so my manager today, Chad, who Hillary works for UM. He's been my manager since, and he basically was like, okay, let's every None of us knew what social media was or what it was gonna do. So then UM the labels contacted him and then we went to New York and l A and met all these Yeah, I was it was bizarre. And then within six months I was on tour with the Goo Dolls, playing you know, ten thousand seat amphitheaters and playing TV shows and I was twenty one and I had never played live before basically in my life. It was crazy. I met Chad on an airplane now that I think about it. We sat beside each other bood yeah, yeah, we sat aside each other's so funny, and he was like, I work with I didn't think anything of it because there, but he's trying to sell me something, right, And I was like, you weren't called the galley? Shut up and I didn't even live here, but what do you do? What her? But no, that's who that was. We were. We were flying together, and he was like, are we going now? I feel like because I didn't believe him, I don't believe anything anybody says. Well, yeah, I mean unless yeah, you have a chance to look them up and that's really hard. Yeah, And then I just mostly free. No, of course, why would you think pop? Yeah, I madam, it's all nice guy. And you guys have been together for a long time, huh the whole time so before like when the MySpace thing started. Yeah, he's my bud and who who hits you up and goes come play with the Goo Goo Dolls? Did they? Does Johnny Resin I ever call you himself and go yo, have you on the road with us? No? Not with that. Jason Mraz did call me after my first album came out to have me sing um and write lucky with him, But no, it was um It all just kind of happened where they m I think right right then I got the record deal. Then I signed with um w IM and then I think they just start booking. I don't know, and it was all whirlwind, literally instant, like I I signed I think in January, and I was on tour. My album came out in July, and I was on tour before that, and in that world pop world, rock world for the most part, different than country world. Where ague on the road Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yeah, your tours, I would imagine you tell me I'm wrong, it's most of the time. It was two years for sure, Like you just almost don't go home unless you get a break. Yeah, well, you'd especially your first, your first, your new artist, and it's your first album. So that's what we're dealing with Gone West right now too, is your you have to be gone all the time, you have to say yes to everything and so um. But for me back then, it was something I had never experienced, being gone for months at a time around all over the world, and missing my family, missing weddings and birthdays, and two of my dogs passed away while I was gone, all that kind of crazy stuff that I literally just was just thrown into. I was lucky. Whenever you start singing freaking Bubbly and thousands of people are singing back. I mean, that's got to be nuty when you first start, right, it's so it's amazing. It's really it's so sweet that you know, people still know that song and listen to it and that that happened. And I think what's so funny is that none of us would have thought that Bubbly would have been the first single or the thing to react to people, because at that time it was more produced stuff and it was more um up tempo songs. So we thought the more up tempo songs on Coco would maybe you know, again, we were just writing these songs and recording for fun. They were just demos, but in our minds at that time that's what we were just shocked that Bubbly was but it was a refreshing sound of very simple music and instrumentation and a very simple melody. So here's Bubbly for those the one person that has never heard it. Seven, Like, what would you tell yourself? Right now? You this girl who is about to go out on tour, the song has just been recorded. What do you tell her? Um, I would say to spend more time preparing and practicing and and figuring out know how to enjoy performing live and remembering people. I think because of like like I feel like there's trauma in my mind from like how it started that I like don't I don't remember a lot of things and a lot of people I think my mind, like seriously, I was too nervous and busy to remember it, and so I feel like I run into people all the time, and I I hate that I don't remember them, but it happens to me. So I'd say, just try to really try to enjoy it, because I was too overwhelmed to even be able to enjoy it. What's the most two thousands? Who's the most two thousands person that you can remember meeting? Like a Tom Green, like somebody I don't know if you met Tom Green, but I don't think I did. But you think of, you know, when you were blowing up and somebody else who was kind of blowing up at the same time. Who's the most two thousands person that you think you've got to tour with or hang out with. Oh, I mean, well, like Natasha Beddingfield. Oh, it's a great two thousands person. Yeah. I loved her. I love her, A giant fan of hers. And now we're friends, which I still think about, like when we talk them, like there's still that back in my mind, like how I'm talking to Natasha Beddingfield. That's I got to tour with John Mayer. I mean that was another thing that I listened to his music forever. I his Continuum album. I worked at a Tanning salon. I was listening to it, and then a year later I was I almost like, was on tour with basically I was. I think it was a year later I was on tour with him. I mean that kind of stuff is crazy. You know. I auditioned for Bubbly, um uh, for American Idol. With Bubbly, you sang it to the producer yeah outside and the yeah, I mean I wasn't right for the show, so it made sense. But I yeah, I know people now if you need to get on now, I sang it last year or two years ago, and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun. You did the duet them, Yeah in l A with Maddie Poppy. Yeah. And Maddie is great, Maddie, Maddie won that freaking show. I am out of nowhere. Yeah, she she is so good. Her voice realized was one of my favorites, if not my favorite. When you hear the song, what do you think about that's happened in your life? Right then? Um? When I when I was writing just just in general, like two the songs blown up, like where does it put you? Oh that? Yeah, I don't know where I was in the world. Um, but I I I was. I think I remember when I shot the music video for this, I had just like dyed my hair brown and cut bangs. And my label was like, what are you doing? This is only your second single. You're not supposed to like change your look. Um, but no, I think that's what I think. I was somewhere in the world and um, and you know, I wrote the song with Jason Reeves, like we we wrote it together about his roommate who had a crush on me. It's really funny. When was it that you couldn't go out without people coming up and going, hey, are you called Lai? Um? I mean it never crazy happened, but it was definitely within that year, um for sure, Like the second year that was. I mean, I remember going to Asia and we had to have like police escort. It was something I had never like. That doesn't happen here in l a or or in you know, the States, but it was. It was a gnarly, gnarly thing where just thousands of people were at this you know, it was it was amazing. But um, no here, I think it's great that I get to still be me and I go out and about with no makeup most of the time. And you know, sometimes a lot of people will just ask if They'll say, I look like Colby Cali. You don't ask if I am that? What's your move with that? Because sometimes people will say that to me too, Look what do you do? I feel like an asshole, But I'm like, if you don't, I'm not. You didn't ask me the question. You didn't you just said, hey, you look like her and kept walking. I'm not gonna. Is it my duty to go tell you it's me? Don't you know it's me? It could come off. Also, it's very strange. Someone at the ice cream shop the other night I went and they were like, hasny whatever told you look like bi bones? And I said, let me see. Pull up on your phone. Let me see what it looks like. That's good and because and I had a minute, and she was very nice and she pulls it up and she's like, yeah, you look just like I didn't have have brown glasses on down and I had brown glasses on. Then I said, yeah, I guess the glasses are a little different. I said, but I can see he said, he's a really good looking guy. And she goes, yeah, he's all right. So she never got it. That's wrong with people that you gave her the old chance. I guess they don't believe that they would actually see you in person or just in like a regular area I guess, but I just know how regular of an area guy I am. But again she said he's all right, and I was I was like, come on, did you know that one hurt a little bit? Um? There's brighter than the sun. It was this on a TV show they used a theme song or something. It sounds very Natasha Beddingfield, you know the Hills like they did. I don't remember. It sounds very thematic and something that I had watched a lot of. Um, this is a different sound though to me from you was this, Okay, we're gonna make a change up with with the with the next project. Was that was that on purpose? So yeah, this was a few albums in and this I wrote and um produced with Ryan tedder Um and he well, you know, just so when I did my first album, Coco, I had no expectations. There wasn't there wasn't a sound we were going for. We just made the album and the label had nothing to do with it, and so I had no guidance or input. Then starting with album too, that's when all the input comes in, and you know, they want me to start working with different writers and and all the all the people that you know. I'm not saying it was a bad thing. I'm so glad I had that experience. But they people always instantly want to change exactly what was just successful into something completely different that's successful by someone else. So they wanted to be me to become more populiar, you know, um and have it all just kind of changed. So I had to find find the balance with that of like accepting different writing sessions and producers and and a different sound and also finding, you know, keeping the same thing that I've wanted and that what people knew of me. I felt like it's interesting, brighter, it still has the same kind of like organic acoustic field. But yeah, it was a departure for sure. Well you play brighter than the Sun still, Yeah, I play it, and you do play it. Yeah for sure, any songs where you're like, you know what, I just don't want to play that anymore. Um, because you have played bubbly obviously, Yeah, and I like playing I like playing Bubbly for sure. I think it's like like my song I Do it was it was a single and it it did well, but I don't I feel like I was. I was so young when I wrote it, and I felt like, I feel like it's just like a little bit cheesy, and it's like, um, it's not a singer song, Like I don't plays thank You, No. I think I like singing songs that I can sing more, and this one's a little bit more rappy rhythmckey melodically, we won't make you sit through it. I mean to sing it for you. No, I definitely let's do try. You don't have to try so hard. You don't have to get it because of A fourteen. This is relatively recent. So when you're putting out this project, what was in your mind? What are you thinking about? Like, you're trying to be a pop star, You're trying to go be like what what's the idea with your career? Uh? That was what my label wanted for me to do. So when you hear this full album, it's so different from me. And I wrote the songs. I actively, you know, it was involved in the production being the way that it was because I was excited about trying a new sound. But I don't think that it didn't work. Besides this song, UM and I I just know that this song I wrote because I was feeling all the pressures of being asked to start being someone else, um, you know, even more heightened, and I think I was. So I went in the session with baby Face and um Jason Reeves and and Tony and I was just telling them I'm like, I literally feel like they're trying to everyone's trying to make me be a different person all of a sudden with the way I look and the music I'm doing, and um, it's exhausting, and it's you know, I feel like I have to get dolled up to go anywhere, even though I never felt I never felt that way. My family or even the fans didn't make me feel that way. And so that's what made me right try. And it was the best song off the album that you know, of course, and it was the most stripped and the most real, authentic and in the writing, I'm only going to hit you with a couple more clips Lucky You and Jayson Mraz the Monster. Yeah, I used to play this a lot, Yeah, on pop radio. So does he call you and go did you write it together? Like what you did? Write it together? Yeah, but not in the room together. So yeah, he called me, And again I was a huge fan of his, and I just think I got told from my from my management that Raz reached out and that he wanted to call me, so to be all, I should be expecting his call, and I was freaking out. And so he was like, Hey, I have this idea I started and I would love to write it with you. Of course, our schedules never aligned. We were both on tour different parts of the world, and so we wrote it together over email ideas UM me him and UM Tim Fagan who was in my band actually at the time, and so we sent these voice memos back and forth over email and lyric ideas, and then I recorded it with him in London. So you guys recorded together though, Yeah, So it's like playing chess with someone as you mail the moves back and forth. It's interesting, for sure. I've I've done it a few times now where you actually right, like from over email or sending ideas back and forth, and there's something to it. But there's also something about being in the room with someone. One more, Here's breathe Taylor Swift. Taylor asked me to come write a song with her, and so I came here to Nashville and um, and she had a lot of this song already started. I thought it was so beautiful, and I right then, not when I first met her, I think she was fifteen. I knew her brilliance. I was just blown away at how fast of a writer she was, and how personable and how intellectual she was, and um and so she wanted me then to come back to Nashville and sing Harmony, which now Nathan Chapman and I worked with a ton. So Nathan's great. Got you watch Marvelousms Mazel literally my favorite show. I'm on my third time watching it right now. So here's what happened to me. Okay, I started it, and so I'm in hot. I have so many friends that are like minded and sensibility that love it, and I trust my like minded, sensibly friends. Hold on, I've never I've never seen an episode, right, So I turned it on like my big day and waiting to stretch out. Not home a lot, but when I am home, I'm gonna sit down with the marvelous Miss Mazel. Pull it up Amazon. Very excited, I hit the button and I started my first episode ever. And she's on stage and it's like a us O thing and she's singing and she's opening up for some act and I'm like, I just can't get into this. I'll watch. I'll watch another episode. That's what you that's what you started on. That's not the first season three. I just hit play on it and I watched two and a half episodes and I thought to myself. I'm an idiot because all my smart friends like this show and I can't get into it. Got it? But I started watching almost three episodes in season three, haven't he Seon wanted to? And I can't get myself to start over again. It's okay because I already know what happened. Spoiler she opens for some guy in USO. Okay, that's not the full that's oh my god. Well, first of all, I've I have said, I've recommended the show to so many people, and I feel like guys actually don't aren't into it. Justin is he I lost him. I think like fourth episode in basically um. But I also know people love breaking that and I could not. I couldn't get into it. I tried. I think I watched like the first you know, season and a half, and I it was I mean over, I know. I quit and then I was like, Okay, we have to do this, and I still me and Justin are like, I don't what is it. Everyone in the world says it's the best show ever created, and I just don't see it. I really like it. It's it's definitely slow. It crawls, and you kind of have to get into that crawl pace with it. Game of Thrones, Yeah, I loved it. Okay, mostly five people to like Game of Thrones, they also like Breaking Bad because the Game of Thrones are so slow. Yeah, but I also I am not someone who likes the wizardry, and I still really like Game of Thrones. Yeah. Well, and I had said no to watching Game of Thrones, and then it was just and I were on the airplane and he was like third season in and I was just like watching and I kept asking what was going on? And then I started watching with him from there to the end, and then I started over and we watched it all again. So so then yeah, it's yeah, But I mean I will back to what you're saying of how some people everyone can love something and then you just don't understand why you're the one that doesn't. But figger something. And what's your favorite show? If you had to pick one that you can watch at any point, Miss Maizel, No, Friends down Friends, Office would be second. I'm the second. I'm wrapped around the other way NonStop. I'll watch The Office every night, so we do too, but I would be watching not that I wouldn't I love Office, but Justin's not as much of a friend's fan, and so we watched that less. But I would be watching it only have you met any of them? Yes? I met Jennifer Anderson Um on tour with on Mayor and Um I again back to the introverted nous Um. She watched my set side stage. I got off stage. She said hi to me. I said, oh my god, so nice to meet you. I love friends. And then she was like sit down or whatever. I said, I had to go and I left and I never talked to her again. I'm not joking you and I every time I'm like, I yeah, I just I do that. So I met Lisa Coudro I did. I had like, have you met her? She's as nice as she is. I had like a really small part of the movie once, I like nine lines, and so she was in the movie. And so I was sitting next to her in a chair when they were doing our hair and makeup, and she was talking about the weather or whatever, and she goes, hey, how's your day going? And I said, I love friends. I don't answer the question. Yeah. I was just like I love friends. I'm just gonna say I love and she was like, oh, thanks, and then she talked about it. It was it was our one moment. I didn't quite run away because I was tethered into the chair. Yeah, but yeah, I think she's Have you ever met anyone from the office? Um, yes, I met. Yes, I met Steve Correll once. How is that? I think I've met him just in passing. Yeah, and I met the breaking bad guy and I got to say hi to him and I told him I haven't watched the show, but AMU the main guy? Yeah, Brian Cranston. Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm bad with names and all the things. So that's funny. Have you watched Parasite yet? The movie they just want best Picture? Have you heard about it? You don't even know what's You said that in a way if you didn't know what it was, I don't know. So I only watched it a couple of nights ago. But it is. It just won Best Picture at the Oscars. Would have never even stolen stumbled upon it. But it's one of those that all your friends are going to watch it. Here's the kicker. It's in Korean, okay, so you have to have subtitles. Yeah, but it did. It did win the Oh Okay, yeah, no, way, I haven't. I mean no, I haven't seen it, but I have heard about that, but no, I'm not. Would you watch a movie with subtitles? I try not to because I try not to. To. Basically, Justin always wants to, and I I always say no because it's distracting to me. It stresses me out, like I feel like I'm always having to pay attention otherwise I'm gonna miss a It just doesn't gives me anxiety. So it was good though, And I did not want to watch a movie with subtitles. Well good, Okay, have you seen anything lately? Yes, we've been watching a lot of Watch Knives out by any chance. No, that's on our list. Yeah, we're going to rent it the other night. But it's interesting. It's pretty good, okay. And I never want to tell people something because Mike told me the Parents I was the best movie he's ever seen or something, and I was like, great, here we go strap in boys and then nothing lives up to high what? Yeah? And also it can register to us in a different way of whatever we're going through or whatever something in our childhood what who knows what? What? How it affects us and why we love something so much? What have you watched? Give me a recommendation. If I'm like, oh, you gotta give me something to watch, I'm gonna go down. So The Outsider we started, have you that's a new show show? Um? What is that? It's with um Jason Bateman. Also, I love Ozark? Do you like Ozark? Okay? So that? Um? But no, yeah, The The Outsider it's very it's like a little creepy too, but it's um hooked on it and it's really good. Creepy as in horror or creepy as in sci fi like, uh not horror. I mean it's it's just basically like you're wondering what's going on and there's murder involved for sure, in like a creepy way that no one knows yet. Have you watched The Watchman? No on HBO? No? Alright, you're up. Oh we're passing back until we hit one together. I mean we just literally finished, um The Stranger last night. I wouldn't necessarily, Yeah, can I texted Justin? He would know? Does he pick the shows for the most part? Yeah? I really Otherwise, like I'm a person that either won't watch TV or I'll watch Friends or Mrs Maisel or The Office, Like I don't. I don't, that's what I watched The Office all the time. I did watch Cheer. Have you seen Cheer? No? Okay, so it's on Netflix. I would never watch it. Yer leading show, but it's about it's a docuseriies. It's six parts about this college cheerleading team that tries to win nationals. But it's not even it's not cheerleading like two plus two plus or whatever. They do it and it's really one of the best series I've seen in years. Like, I didn't like it? Yeah, did you expect to like it? You didn't expect you because you're like, what's the show about cheerleading going to be about? But it's within like the first episode, you're into it. Did you watch the Aaron Hernandez documentary? No, but that's one we're going to maybe watch. And it's only three parts. Yeah, it's I mean, he was justin was telling me about it. It's it'll blow your mind and how much either you didn't know, forgot or that just happened. And he was such he was as big of an athlete as you could possibly be, yet he was living a double life murdering people? Since that's crazy, it's wild. Um what about the Oh? I just totally forgot what it was. I'll come back to it. We're not gonna quit. How many times have you asked? Because Eddie my friend and also my partner in my comedy band, how many times do you get asked? What did you say? Mike? Can you count me? Oh? Can you cow? Many times do you get asked about that? Can you count me into the front? Often? And what is that? What do you mean? Like what happened in that scenario? Why don't you go? Will you count me in? And on that part of the song? Oh? Got it? So? Um, I was actually embarrassed that Michael, our producer, wanted to keep it in um. I. When I wrote Bubbly, I was playing it on the guitar, and I was playing it in a little bit of a different way, and so I didn't he played the guitar for that recording, So all of a sudden, I was now just singing the melody and it was a different kind of This is why I'm saying it's embarrassing. So at some point I kept coming in on the wrong spot of a song I wrote of the chords everything that I I don't know why I couldn't figure it out, and so I finally was just like, will you count me in? And he like put the mike talk back on. He was like that was so cute. I want to keep that. And I was like, no, you're not keeping that. That's like that how embarrassing is that? Um? But he kept it and that was the went on the demo and then it's something that people loved and it still surprises me to this day. Worst your name has ever been butchered on a big stage? Oh? Um, it's usually like Cali at Yeah. But you know when I go to France, they tell me I say it wrong. Um, you're supposed to say it kaya kaya. I was gonna say that before you came in, but I feel like it's my place, but I'm glad they do. You ever get on a TV show and they or you go into a big radio show and there they say your name wrong and you just have to go yeah, yeah and or or. I mean I even had like a neighbor that like, for like, how do how do you correct someone? You're it's gonna make it awkward and you're gonna embarrass them so, and I haven't found the right way of not embarrassing someone yet. So do you just let them go with it? Or do you A lot of people, even with Gone West, they say we'll Go West, which is an eighties band. Then we're like, oh, do we interrupt and say it's actually not our name or do we let it just go? And then people not I don't know. I was doing the because we launched Idol Sunday night and I had to do a press horse. So you sit in a room and they pat you into all these TV stations. They're talking to all the news people, and so I did twenty two stations. I got four Bobby Joneses instead of Bobby Bones and they just call you Bobby Jones to just keep going. They don't even realize it's the wrong name. So what I do at this point is they mess it up so much. Is I just eventually reference myself again as Bobby Jones, just from my own personal area, and it's like, you know what Bobby Jones says, you go get on America. I don't bet all the viewers or listeners are just like, it is his name, Bobby Jones. I'm so confused. And then I got to Bobby Boys. Okay, so like I feel you a little bit on people messing it up and at this point it is why what do you mean? Yeah? I think they either didn't they obviously know that's not your name. It's just might just come out wrong and they didn't know. Maybe they're is so stupid. I don't know that they know that because Bones isn't my real last name. I've used it my entire professional career, but I don't think they know that. I think sometimes they think it's a typo because it looks like a pirate, Like what is this guy? I think it's a pirate or something. You think that they really just think that it's it is? Yeah, I don't know. That's what I think because I think it's a ridiculou less name. Okay, Um, you have a lot of emojis in your Instagram bio. I looked at it. Um, what's your favorite emoji? Uh? Maybe the yellow heart? Okay, We're gonna roll through some of these and don't be done and we'll see if you have a TV show before we end. Uh you ever meet Tom from MySpace? No? Never, let's see you know, God, I would I never got any sort of notoriety until Tom was like working at the subway down the street. You know it was? There was no Uh, let's see, have you ever played a celebrity's wedding? Yes? Is? Where did you sign an NDA where you can't say whose it was? No? But I probably shouldn't say that would Yes, I sang at fiance's wedding? Everyone did your dad bring famous musicians around the house? Um? Uh? I got to go into the studio and meet them. So I got to meet Fleutwood Mac over the years, early on and a bunch of people. What do you remember about your first show ever after? Just say your first show where you kind of blew up on my Space and like, hey, go play for somebody? What do you remember about that? But before I got signed, because there's a let's just say first show, I don't know what comes to mind first show. Um I can't. I mean honestly that I sang at like a couple like hotel cafe in l A. And I did that a couple of times before I got signed, or even right after I got signed. And um again, I was green and I was it was nerve racking, and everyone could tell I was just this like very shy, quiet person, but I yeah, I did it. We're gonna end on this one. Instead of a last meal, you're offered a last song, and this is what you listen to before you die. You don't have to come out a crime again, you know, death row. You're just a hundred. What song do you pick? Bob Marley Waiting in Vain? Is that also your favorite song? Or is that just a song you've decided? No, it's my favorite song, I think because I love when a song you can listen to when you're happy, you're sad, and it can either way make you feel good. And um, I'll be like, I think every Bob song does that. But Waiting in Vain when it comes on, my heart just gets happy. Who was the first is I'm just asking this because when you talk about that reminds me because you mentioned John Mayer, who's my favorite artist. He was the first person that ever wrote songs that I went, oh, I felt that and and that was a big part of my life to go, oh, people write songs how I feel. He's you know, we're around the same age. He was saying things He's like, I was like, oh, I get that. Who was that artist for you where they're writing things and you're hearing things and you're going, oh my God, like I get that. I think it was John Mayor too. So like my three most influenced, like the artists that have influenced me is Lauren Hill for singing, and then Fleetwood Mac for like just the kind of music that they do. Um, I mean everything really, and then John Mayor because his lyrics. Honestly, so many of his songs. I you know a line and it's just so brilliant. So I mean even even his line it says fear as a friend who's misunderstood. I always loved hearing that line because I helped it. It tries I try to look at fear in a different way because of that. I think he's brilliant. The which Forever John Mayor song before I tell you my story, it's a tough one. I'll tell you mine. Then I should think about it. Mine to stop this train. Yeah, continue My favorite collection of music period ever. Again, if you were born in the eighties and you love that kind of music, it just it speaks to me time period, my vibe and his line. I'm so scared of getting older. I'm only good at being young. I was like, you're just saying what I'm saying without me saying it. And it was the first time that I was like, I felt poorly connected to a song. Well. I think that's the best part about songwriting is someone, any person can write something that they're going through and it could be about something completely different or the same, and then the listener can relate and feel like they're not alone. And I think that's why we all of songwriting so much, is that it connects us and it helps us feel like, whether it's good or bad, we're not alone. We're in it together. My favorite John Mayor song, You've Had No I'm just I'm indecisive. This is very a lot of pressure. Um honestly, I love Room for Squares and um continue, those are my favorite albums of his, and so I can't decide. I think Gravity might be one of them, but I can't decide. Okay, we'll leave there. Then everybody check out Gone West at Gone West Music on Instagram, and I'm telling you you probably think they're good. But again, I'll say it too. When you guys played, I remember I remember talking to Justin, just hitting him up and Embo and going, oh my god, you guys are good because in the land of giants, everybody's large. Here. Yeah, this is the land of giants where everybody's good. But then there are a few where you go, oh, there's like something something there. Um. Yeah, and you guys were that good all singing together. I definitely, I definitely wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it too like. Um alright, so um follow at Gone West Music. You can follow Colby at Colby kel A. I'm not even gonna try to spell it. Um it's Colby Kaye for those listening. Colby, good to see you. Yeah, I hope, I hope this was fun for you. An hour and eight minutes, did we? I mean, I think this is great. Thanks for having me over at your house. Now time hour too ready, Mike alright, Episode to twenty eighth Colby CALLI thanks everybody. M hmmm.