DS Game 5 previews, Phillies-Dodgers chaos, Divish joins from Seattle

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Speaker 1: Well, what a postseason, What a postseason?

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, everyone. We know two teams. We still have two teams to figure out for Championship Series spots. Bron Kratz KP. We're gonna flip up a postseason bracket too, and we're also going to remind everyone while we show it to you that postgame shows are where it's at.

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Speaker 1: We're running many of them on our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: We did one after the Phillies and Dodgers last night, Still super relevant, getting instant reactions from people like Eric Kratz after that Phillies game, even just the first minute is worth watching to go back to you after our show. But we'll do another one on Sunday night for the Alcs. That'll be the Blue Jays taking on I don't know Tigers or the Mariners. So just want to let everyone know there'll be a lot of that for the Championship Series and then of course for the World Series. You'll have a mix of us giving you instant reaction after games. Okay, let us get KP's thoughts on that insane ending to the NLDS.

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Speaker 1: So let's charge the mounds.

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Speaker 3: Charge about.

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Speaker 4: KP.

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Speaker 2: We did thirty five minutes on what happened between the Phillies and the Dodgers. Your instant reaction when you saw what happened to Oryan kirkering on the mound that led to the Dodgers walking off the Phillies and moving on to the NLCS.

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Speaker 5: My short answer is sadness. I feel for the player. I mean, you just, especially in a place like Philly, that can be a little bit tough on an individual player. You hate to see two really good teams. You hate to see that game in that way because they put the right guy in the position to get the out. You know, the game just sped up on him a little bit. You know, he did everything he was supposed to do. He bobbled the ball, he panted a little bit, his internal clocks sped up a little bit. I mean, the right place to go to first base, you know, after rewatching it, he would have had to make a good play to first base, but at least it would have been the correct play.

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Speaker 2: Let's choose some more info here. First of all, and this one's gonna go right back to KP. The Dodgers are the second team in history in the postseason the clinch a playoff series on a walk off error. There was one other time period nine years ago today, Rubenettodor's Aaron throw to first on an attempt to double play allowed Josh Donaldon to score and the Toronto Blue Jays swept the Texas Rangers in the alds op the stats hooking us up with that one KP.

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Speaker 1: You were there what happened?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I was there for I mean obviously a much different situation. I mean, first and foremost we were up to nothing, so it didn't feel like an elimination game for us, you know, like it was just a different we were cruising in the series. But also the double play element of it. You know, typically when you throw a ball on a double play, it's not deemed an air. The only difference is Josh Donaldson was at second base going to third when he saw the mist throw. He ran home. You know, I remember it like yesterday, the head first slide coming out of the dugout, being super super excited that we just went on and we were going to our second straight ALCS.

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Speaker 2: One of our teammates says he has nightmares about that exact scenario that played out for Kirkering in Game four. Trevor May said that play is my nightmare, Kratz, you got one sleep on it. Any aftermath thoughts here.

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Speaker 3: My nightmare is I have different color socks on and I don't make it out to the game in time. But that's a different nightmare. I have no other thoughts on it. I even went back to the play that I thought of that I made in the regular season about or the play that I didn't make that cost us a game, and like they're still residual. Maybe sometime I'll tell the story, but there's still residual thoughts about it, And so to have it be in this situation that Oryan Kirkring had it in. It was a mistake. People make mistakes every day. It will stay with him for the rest of his life. My hope is that it doesn't define him, and I think the people around him. You already saw the sympathy support from his teammates, the people that matter most to him, And now it's his job to say it's not going to define me, because if it defines him, he can go down a bad rabbit hole.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, an old transparency. Playing in the playoffs, I was always a little bit more concerned about this being the end result of me being in the field is making that mistake. I almost didn't want to make a mistake more than I actually want to do something great, just because you know, fans are so passionate and much like Kratzy was saying, hopefully this isn't a moment in time that defines him. It's something that you know, he has an opportunity next year to be in a similar situation and be on the other end of it and be remembered for something great.

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Speaker 6: See.

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Speaker 3: I never thought of it as oh man, I'm gonna make a mistake, and I'm glad that I wasn't like smart like UKP, where you were like, okay, I'm thinking through all the scenarios. I think my downfall in playoffs was this is the moment I am going to do something big oop, whoops, slider and a dirt or this is huge, I'm gonna make this throat a secon Ooh. I threw it into center field. Like I was always thinking about the great play and I didn't play. I was fortunate I didn't play with the fear of it in mind. I just played with like maybe too much reckless abandonment.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a great way to play, though, I mean the moment gets big in the playoffs and the people that are able to just kind of either slow the game down or almost treat it like a regular season game. I don't think there's a wrong answer. I just I just as I was in the playoffs a little bit longer, I didn't have that kind of thought. But I remember my initial postseason experience. I would be on center field and I still wanted the ball to be hit to me, but there was just this extra layer of focus, and I was like, don't be the reason this team loses the game.

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Speaker 2: So one other component here. The Dodgers tied the game thanks to or at least partially thanks to Alex Call right he walked, and Kratz pointed out how it was a missed call, and there are many. Every single game has miss calls. This wouldn't seem unique to me. Kratz in that the umpire actually apologized to Christopher Sanchez is that normal? So here's the tweet from Lachland March. Christopher Sanchez said the umpire apologized to him for missing the two to two pitch to Alex Call in the seventh, which should have been a strikeout became a walk, and that runner went on to score the tying run.

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Speaker 6: Yes they do.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can see on the screen number five is half in the box, half out of the box. They do apologize. Umpires do apologize. JT was flummixed when he didn't call it, like he went to like throw it around. Oh and then he like turned around, which is kind of a no no. But for the umpire to say that to me, that gives players it just it. It calms the players down because they're like, Okay, I get it, you missed it. Maybe today it infuriates them a little bit more. But in the moment, look, man, like, we're humans. We're not watching we're not watching a video game. We're not watching robots. And when it's humans and you have the human element in there, I'm not saying I'm against ABS challenge system because I'm all for it. The human element adds some intrigue to it and adds that like level of angst or excitement depending on which side of the call you're.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, they're human beings, and I think that's where the ABS we should be in favor of it because these umpires do care. I think the human element of it is what makes the game great. But at the end of the day, if you ask that umpire, if they had the ability to challenge and he got the call wrong and they reversed it, he would be sleeping a little bit better at night. Ultimately, these guys want to get the call right. And my other point was on my way to Toronto to cover the series, I was sitting next to an umpire that I won't mention his name, but he was there with his wife, and it just humanizes it, like his wife is going there to watch them, and I'm just just trying to think being in a white's position of an umpire, you got to kind of be neutral. You don't really root for your husband who's on the field, but they are human beings with families and kids and wives. And good on him for apologizing. I know it doesn't really change anything, you know, long term, and really doesn't really change any short term, but it does show that they are human being and they do care.

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Speaker 6: KP.

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Speaker 2: How dangerous are the Los Angeles Dodgers. They have a bona fide one through four starting pitching slate that they can throw out their series by series. The question mark can be the bullpen depth, but they also now suddenly have perhaps the best closer in baseball who went three perfect innings in that matchup.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you asked me that I didn't want to stay the obvious because we going into spring training, going into the season, if they were able to stay healthy. This is what you were going to expect from the Dodgers from a starting pitching standpoint. And obviously they went out and signed a bunch of different guys in the back end of the bullpen that they thought were going to be dudes. But they have a real dude right now who was having trouble getting outs in triple A a month ago. But somehow the Dodgers do it again. They figure out this guy can't start, We're just gonna put him in the bullpen. Oh, by the way, we're going to allow him to start closing playoff games, and not only close games. He might even pitch three innings. And when he's in there, he just wants to get right back on the mound.

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Speaker 1: Krats favorite.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they got through the toughest opponent in my opinion, from what I saw during the regular season. They're gonna have to find a way to beat the Brewers or the Cubs differently than they then they had to find a way to beat the Phillies. Philly starting pitching, they're not going to run up against anything like they saw day in and day out with the Philly starting pitching. I mean, they were Philly starting pitching is the all star of the series for the for the Phillies. But they're gonna have to be able to beat the Brewers a different way than they are the Cubs. And you know, I think the National League wins it. I think that's a I think that's a slam dunk. But you know what, this team is firing on all cylinders and playing playing their best in October what they were.

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Speaker 1: Built for actually kp.

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Speaker 2: You know the scariest part for opponents, what three hitter maybe five on the planet had a brutal series. That's bad. That's really bad. Law of averages. It doesn't look like anything's particularly wrong. And show heo Tani is not going to go one for eighteen with nine strikeouts in another postseason for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, that's just the depth of the Dodgers. You know, you can go pretty much without show hey. I mean, he he In some ways he should have just pitched. I mean, that's how bad he was to be quite franked. But they're built for this, you know, even even to the point where Max Munsey, who is so is such a great player and has so many great postseason moment moments. Is sitting on the bench to allow Keik Hernandez, who also is turns into show heo Tani in the postseason, Show Hey, who's in the regular season in the postseason. It's like the Dodgers are just built for this, Like it almost feels like the regular season games are just this extended kind of warm up period. Let's just go through the motions, Let's check all the boxes, Let's make sure the body's feeling well, Let's get some of the injuries out of the way, and then when October rolls around, they're at their best.

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Speaker 3: Let's not be too recncy biased, though, we were talking at this time last year, like can the Dodgers get over the hump? Because this time last year, everyone's like there's a faction of people who were like, twenty twenty season didn't count. I played and it definitely counted, and so they're like, can they get through an entire postseason after an entire actual.

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Speaker 6: One sixty two?

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Speaker 3: So there was questions and they they almost were eliminated by the Padres, so we're still questioning that, and now they've won it, and now they're the way they're looking this postseason. Yeah, you're like, whoah, these boys, these boys are a juggernaut right now, and it's gonna be tough to slow them down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now the ultimate test is can a team repeat because we haven't seen it in the modern game, it's been a quarter century. It's really difficult to do. They do have a very different looking pitching staff from last year, which I think does become a big part of things. Not the only thing, but it does become a big part of things. And many of the pitchers that are they're thrown out there now didn't pitch last year in the playoffs for them. Otani Glass now, Roki, et cetera. Okay, here we are and we do have some Are we able to run the sound here from Ryan Kirkrea? Yes, okay, cool, let's run that right now and then we can react for a minute.

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Speaker 7: Shit off my foot just kind of once that the pressure got to me. I just thought it was a faster throw the JT little quicker throw than trying to cross body at the price.

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Speaker 6: So just more shit throw.

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Speaker 7: The wall with the test ball, for sure, but yeah, just kind of.

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Speaker 6: Keep going with it.

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Speaker 7: Hopefully it started a long career. Just keep back of my head and this really fucking socks right now, but hopefully keep pushing. When get over this, keep push.

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Speaker 6: That's it. I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't be more proud of him for standing up in that moment and talking to the media. The language was just his honesty pouring out through it, and I just can't. Yeah, I can't stand up enough for him in a plaud like what he said was just what he felt, and I'm proud of him for that.

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Speaker 5: Well, I get goosebumps thinking about it, because when you're at the top, when you make it to the major leagues and everything is going well, it's the best thing in the world. But there is a flip side of that, you know, especially in the playoffs, the entire world was watching. It was the only game on so to be able to get in front of the media, stand there like a professional, answer the tough questions that you don't really want to have to answer, and then honest and then the last part is just to be honest and real and like Kratty said, you know the language he used and how he said it and the emotion and hold back the tears is you know, only going to allow him to have more fans in this world. I know it sucks right now, but it's much appreciated from someone who's, you know, been at the top of the mountaintop, who's played in the major leagues and has had some bad moments and had to stand in front of the camera and be honest and kind of be vulnerable. And I think that's what people don't understand is baseball players and athletes are still human beings and they're vulnerable. And he did a great job with it.

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Speaker 2: And when you hear someone be accountable and answer questions like that and be real, I think that you got a deeper connection with a fan based right yep.

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Speaker 1: Humanization factor.

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Speaker 1: Game five. Here we go, baby. Maybe home field.

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Speaker 2: Advantage is a thing in some scenarios. Brewers take the first two, Cubs take the next two.

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Speaker 1: What's next?

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Speaker 3: What's next? Game five? That's what's next.

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Speaker 4: You're making me choose.

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Speaker 3: You're making me choose already the one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not making you choose who wins. I'm just saying, like, what are we expecting in this game? Are the Cubs going to show up with some pop? Are they going to keep blitzing the Brewers early on? Tell me what are you expecting here? How are the Brewers going to map and craft the perfect you know, bullpen strategy here.

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Speaker 3: Because it's going to be all bullpen. It's going to be all bullpen strategy. Is the miz going to show up?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not fully confident in the mis yet, but kind of like Rokie we saw in the other series, like when you have a lead, stuff, you have a chance to be elite. So do they need to give miss a lead before they bring him in because maybe they're a little not confident in it. To me, yeah, the Cubs are gonna come out swinging in the first inning. They've scored a billion runs in the first inning. And to me, if the Brewers want to win this one, I think it comes down to them playing their game, which is defense, bullpen, and the thing that has been missing, missing, missing, missing this whole series their base running. I need to see them steal some bases. I think we If you go back to when the Diamondbacks made their run in twenty three, they had a team that was fast and it was like, man, the Phillies just were keeping them down, keeping them down. All of a sudden. In Game four they started running, they didn't win. Or in game five they started running, didn't win. Game six, they started running again seven, putting pressure on them. To me, I see the Brewers getting stuff going. Say, you have to steal all the bases, but you have to put pressure on a really good Cubs defense that doesn't give you extra outs, so you're getting extra ninety feet with your legs, which the Brewers did really well all season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think about how these short seasons are, these short series work. We talk about home field advantage just I think home field advantage for those first two games is real. But when you go down two and you go home, yeah, you want to play great in front of your fans, but kind of everyone is counting you out. Then you win that first game, and then there's a little bit of pressure on the Brewers like, oh, we don't want this to get back home because then home field advantage is a thing. So the Cubs are able to win the second game, and I think all the pressure is back on the Brewers now because you're up O two. You had a chance to go into Chicago and sweep them. You lose that first game, you start to feel that little bit of pressure like, oh no, if we don't win this game, it's coming back home, and then the real pressure amounts. So I think the Cubs have a lot of momentum go into this. I don't think homefield is going to play in this scenario. I think the Brewers had to win it on the road in order to win this series. I think the Cubs find a way.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Yeah, that Game three was tight.

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Speaker 2: Brewers had a ton of chances and they did not come through right. They had bases loaded. Keller came through in the eighth inning when they brought him in. That was a perfect button pressed by Craig Counsel in that moment. But that's a four to three game game four. Kp was not close, right. They blitz him early, as they've been doing. It was ean half this time with a three run shot off of fastball over the plate, and he'd been cold, so maybe he's woken up. Aside from that, there were threats from the Brewers, but.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Man, it never felt close.

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Speaker 2: When you watch that one from front to back and then of course, the Cubs added insurance runs, you know, one per inning in the late stages.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm speaking from a little bit of experience as someone who is down two in a series. Slightly different because we lost those first two games at home, but that was kind of always the mindset was you better. The only way we're losing this series is you had to beat us in game three, because if we went in and didn't get swept, we could feel kind of that momentum, that pressure starting to turn to the team that was up to oh. Because everyone says you're up to oh, you're supposed to win. But when you don't win that third game, that fourth game feels oh, very very very critical. And the Cubs went out and won, very deciding. Now you go back on this flight, and you know what you're up against not only a Game five, but you're also staring down the fact that you might be, you know, a team that loses. Teams that are up to oh win like almost ninety percent of the time. So that kind of little voice and that little pressure kind of adds up a little bit too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty to fifty if they win. To me, the Cubs, the Cubs big sticking point here who had a good game last night? Two of their big guys, Tucker, what was he two for I was just looking it up. Two for three, two walks, a steak, a dinger, Like that's scary if you're the Brewers, because how did the Brewers get knocked out last year by a dinger to end the game or in the end of the game by Pete Alonzo at home. Brewers fans need to come to the park with a positive attitude because that negativity of oh are we going to get are we going to get bounced again? In back to back to back years? Like is this how it's going to go down? Like, Oh no, what's going to happen next? And I think if they can get rolling, they'll take the momentum and they'll push it through the end of the game. If it's a close game throughout, I think the Cubs ultimately prevail.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And the greatest thing you could do as a road team, in which I experienced being in Yankee Stadium during the Toronto series, is you can go in with a plan as a fan base. But baseball is a very reactionary sport. You can only be excited about things that kind of happen on the field. You can motivate your team, but you're also very reactionary. And what the Blue Jays did a great job in Yankee Stadium. They scored first, they shut up the crowd, and then it took the Yankee some things to get back into the game, to get the crowd back into the game. What the Cubs have done really good in this series is scoring early. So if you're a Brewers fan and you want to create this home field environment, even if the Cubs score early, you have to find a way to just continue to be loud and motivate your team and not be very reactionary and not allow things that happened in the past to kind of dictate what's happening right now during this series.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen this from the Burs all season long. I mean, falling behind early on in games and then unfhazed. Not even late catchups, it's often early catchups. I mean, I've seen plenty of Brewers games where this happens, and we saw them in both games that they played at home, falling behind early, and especially in Game two. Right Game two was the Suzuki home run from sea and then five seconds later. I mean, we're tied, so they are certainly capable of doing this, but can they outslug the Cubs in a winner take all game, and do they have the pitching plan in place. I'll tell you one thing, guys, I am certainly concerned if I'm a Brewers fan, regardless of what happens in this game five, because I'm looking at a Dodger team that's got the traditional starting pitching setup. They've got it all, they've got the experience, they're clicking at the right moment. And for Milwaukee, it's still difficult for me KP to look at this team and how successful they've been in regular seasons but not able to get over the hump in the postseason and wonder, just like we talked a little bit about with the Phillies, if they don't have the right potion to go the distance. I do think you need to build a regular season winner and have other things in mind for the postseason. Of course, traditional starter horses can help carry you. Brandon woodriff loss was huge for them. Imagine if you had the wood if that we were seeing when he came back, that would be a huge difference maker. Because that was eventually taps your pen, and their pen didn't have a good game just now against the Cubs.

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Speaker 5: That was the exact name that came to mind. Is when you're talking about having the right pieces, the right potion. I think they were counting on him pitching in the postseason this year. Obviously he has some injury history. He got injured this year. But you can get away with these kind of bullpen kind of scramble mode kind of games in a five game series, but you will get exposed in a seven game series. And that was always the question with like a Dodger team, if they can get to the seven game series, that's what they're really built for because they do have your traditional four starters. You know, they even have a fifth starter and Kershoff you really wanted to use them who's now in the bullpen. But it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough if either of these teams move on, because I don't think the Cubs really have that kind of starting pitching depth two that you know, maybe like a Dodger team has, where you're rolling out four guys that you're very comfortable with every time they take the ball.

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Speaker 2: Kratz, do you feel this at all, what are you seeing postseason version of Milwaukee. I know it's only been four games, but you made a face when I said, Hey, if you get through this game five, you're running into the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: I think they're built to give the Dodgers a tougher time than the Cubs. I think the Cubs can be pitched too, and you know, I think they're And look, people are gonna say I'm a homer. I'm not a homer for the team of the Brewers. I'm a homer for the fans of the Brewers. I almost want this more for the fans that I do, individual friends that I have on a team, or coaches who are on the team that I really like. To me, it's about like this, this fan base getting the ultimate prize. And in the way is the Cubs right now. In the way is the fact that they don't have a starting pitcher. But over these years, look at what the Brewers have had in starting pitching. They have had Corbin Burns mega free agent. Big Wu was going to be a mega free agent before the before the shoulder derailed him and he missed almost two seasons. Freddy Peralta is a bona fide Ace. Now he's taken that next step and you continually add guys in.

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Speaker 6: So to me, I think they were built. They were built for.

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Speaker 3: The postseason, but there's so many they don't have enough depth overall. And that's where I think it's tough. When you don't have the money, you can't go out and keep one of these guys. So they have to do things differently. And now they're backs up against the wall. They have to go and push all in whatever they feel like. Their style is go push all in and leave it out, leave it all out on the field, run but hit whatever it is. Your superstars need to step up. Each starting pitch or each pitcher needs to be ready for tonight and they need to leave it out on the field or the Cubs will take them down in this game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I got the same. I think the Blue Jays team is unbelievable. But that's really my concern with them going into that longer series is who's going to pitch the fourth game and if the Seattle's able to get there. I think that's what Seattle's really built for, is playing these long playoff series, assuming like someone like Brian Wu comes back. But it's hard. It's hard to, you know, really have four starting pitchers that you rely on, and sometimes it's really even hard to have three starting pitchers you can rely on. That's what makes the Dodgers just kind of this unique scenario where they just know that throughout a season you're going to go through a lot of starting pitching depth. But ultimately, when it comes down to these long series that you're trying to win, we need four guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and during a season you need like fifteen, and then you hope that you've got five or six towards the end of the year. Then you can pick from that five or six to go with four that you think you can.

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Speaker 1: Get through October with.

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Speaker 2: And then if it's a tough decision, great and Michian pitches out of the bullpen for the Dodgers. Roki Sazaki is now a bullpen and extraordinary, And we get it.

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Speaker 1: They've got the resources.

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Speaker 2: But we mentioned this in the postgame show last night when the Dodgers took down the Phillies. They're not the only rich team in baseball, and they actually made plenty of mistakes, right Like they signed up Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates. They're not a relevant factor for this team in October now. So it's not like it was perfection. The Mets spent close to as much money as them and they haven't figured out even making the playoffs this year. But anyway, we're excited. Game five is going to be awesome. Can't wait to see it. My last shout out here from Game four is Matt Boyd completely turning it around and showing why he needs a regular rest like any other starter in baseball. I'm sorry like that. His stuff was so much better, so much more crisp, command of the curve, crats like it to look just like at his secondary stuff alone, and the difference that you saw in the first game versus what you saw in Game four, I was like, Okay, yeah, modern starter needs regular rest, especially a guy who's been through it, pitched a really long year, had some issues down the stretch of this season.

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Speaker 1: It was a no brainer to see the difference. And they won't do that again.

00:30:29
Speaker 3: These are the kind of decisions that I would be more leaning towards, like somebody else getting in trouble for. And I'm not saying it's a council thing. I'm saying for the team to come to him and say, hey, will you start. Maybe wasn't reading the room and if the Cubs lose, If the Cubs lose this series, somebody wasn't reading the room. Having Matthew Boyd all the things you just said, a little bit of injury history has kind of bounced around, was struggling a little bit at the end of the year, and you can't go to him and say, can you get us game one short rest? Like, yeah, KP, I'm sure you would agree with me. Your leg's hanging off. You're like, am I faster than this person you're gonna put out there? I'm playing. But there's a point where the team has to say, no, we're not gonna throw your own short rest. Sorry, we just can't do that. And it proved it last night.

00:31:22
Speaker 5: It's not always the rest component too. It's as a starting pitcher, you get off the mound twice, you throw, and then you got your bullpen. But to be sharp, you need to be able to kind of have that bullpen day, you know, unless maybe going into it, you know you're gonna pitch on short rest and maybe you can get off the mound a little bit and really work on your craft. But you know, it's much like pinch hitting, Like it's really hard to go out there and be in a rhythm all the time. That's why playing every day is a little bit easier than coming off the bench. So when you're only able to get off the mound and then get off the mound again, and you have no ability to kind of work on your mechanics, your feel for your pitches, I think that's an equally as big factor of why guys typically struggle on short rest is because they just don't have the feel for their stuff.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfectly stated.

00:32:13
Speaker 2: We're excited for this one game five n LDS Brewers Cubs.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: Winner takes on the Dodgers.

00:32:20
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00:32:38
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00:33:45
Speaker 1: They have resources, they've.

00:33:47
Speaker 2: Had the same GM forever and now they've had the same manager for a long period of time. Some of the guys are going to move on, but I'm talking about player personnel. But they've still got most guys under contract for a while.

00:33:58
Speaker 1: So what do you do?

00:34:01
Speaker 5: I mean, I honestly, I listened to what you know, Jeter and a Rod had to say after the game, and I don't think it's Aaron Boone problem. I think it's a roster configuration problem. You know, obviously someone had the entire team. Can't take the blame. You can't. The old saying is you can't fire the whole team, right, so someone has to, you know, be fired, you take the blame for what they're doing. And in this case, I don't think it's Aaron Boone. I think it's the roster that he was given was a little bit flawed. You know, you have two left handed catchers, you have multiple dhs, you don't have a lot of versatility to be able to kind of mix and match. You don't have a lot of contact. You have a lot of power and not a lot of contact, not a lot of speed. So I think it's more about the way the roster was constructed and granted, you know, if you have Garrett Cole pitching in two of these games, it's probably a different story. But teams that are able to overcome injuries of their superstars and being able to have depth and piece it together and draft and develop and have these guys kind of you know, waiting in the wing is you know, I think the bigger issue here Kratz.

00:35:04
Speaker 2: One thing I just want to add, and we'll have to have Andrey Martinez back on the show because he was kind of defending the front office side of the equation, even though I do think it's much more roster construction than Boonie is.

00:35:14
Speaker 1: He said out.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: Susan Waldman pointed out that no, Boonie's just getting the info and then making the decisions. And I love Susan too, but guess what, if you disagree too much, you don't have a job. That's how it works. It doesn't have to be said. But I'm going against both of them on that front, and.

00:35:28
Speaker 3: They have to all work in lockstep. Good organizations, which the Yankees are a great organization, are working in lockstep where you don't win.

00:35:37
Speaker 1: I agree. It's ft presented by Fox One.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Ryan Divish coming up in just a moment about the Seattle Mariners and the Detroit Tigers, and obviously the Mariners have the ultimate street going here. The only team KP in Major League Baseball that's never made it to the World Series. No World Series appearances for the Mariners, and they're damn close here.

00:36:04
Speaker 5: I mean, if they weren't clashing with the team that I'm rooting for, I would be rooting for him, because, once again, I like seeing things that have never happened before. I think the Mariners is a tremendous organization. I always love going to the city of Seattle. Very passionate fan base and hot take. I think they have the MVP.

00:36:29
Speaker 6: Not that hot, kind of lukewarm, kind of a lukewarm take, but.

00:36:34
Speaker 5: No, I no, I was more to just get you going a little bit.

00:36:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's I think it's fifty to fifty. Got a chance it is going to be a game five, not like we've ever seen. I feel like when it's Game five.

00:36:49
Speaker 6: You're like, oh, who's going to hit the home run?

00:36:51
Speaker 3: It's like who's going to get jammed and get the first on a fielder's choice?

00:37:00
Speaker 5: Can we recreate that ball that went over Schoobl's head. You know, that's what they're working on the cagere at right now. They're like, hey, you can't hit them, but maybe you can chop one off home plate, get it over his head. And if you are fortunate to somehow get to second base, just run like hell until someone stops you, because it feels like that's the only way to score.

00:37:19
Speaker 3: Run off them, and we'll pick your thumbs up. The next batter will pick your thumbs up in the batter's box, or the guy scoring will pick pick your thumbs up. Like it's like you're gonna see old school baseball tonight, that.

00:37:31
Speaker 6: Is for sure, buners.

00:37:34
Speaker 5: I mean we could see we could see a sagmunt in the first inning. I think that's how that's what type of game it's gonna be.

00:37:41
Speaker 1: Over Under two and a half bunts.

00:37:44
Speaker 6: In the game, I'm going under. Going over, I'm going under because they won. They won't have that many base runners.

00:37:52
Speaker 1: Wow, here we go.

00:37:54
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this big game five coming up with Seattle Times writer Ryan Davish. Back on it, Ryan, we really appreciate the time, crazy night coming up in Seattle. Can you paint the picture of how crazy it's going to be for the city, but then also for the game in terms of decision making on the Seattle side, I think Dan Wilson probably is going to have a little more churning to do with his pitching decisions versus aj Hinch.

00:38:20
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm expecting it to be chaos tonight. I think part of it is is like, I know the fan base is excited, but there's a segment of the fan base it's absolutely terrified of what's kind of happened because of I don't know, just the years and years and years of frustration, and so there is a large segment of the fan base that's probably a little pessimistic.

00:38:41
Speaker 4: They seem to all reside in my Twitter mentions.

00:38:44
Speaker 8: Then there's also a part of the fan base that's like, oh yeah, I no, Like it's better that they have this. Let's you know, they can win it at home, everybody can celebrate with them.

00:38:53
Speaker 4: It'll be pandemonium.

00:38:54
Speaker 8: I mean, when they clinched the division, there was a huge party outside of T Mobile Park and people are out celebrating. So I'm guessing that's you know that there's just all that kind of anxiety, like nervous anxiety, excited energy, all.

00:39:10
Speaker 4: That stuff mixed together.

00:39:11
Speaker 8: You just don't want the rubbing off on the players obviously, and it's for the moves. I mean, like it's gonna be a little different. You know, we've expected this from aj Hinch because that's how they've done stuff a lot of the years.

00:39:23
Speaker 4: But it's different when you have Trek Skuel on the mound. You don't, you know, your decisions are pretty easy.

00:39:28
Speaker 8: With Dan Wilson, you know it's gonna be managing a game different than he's ever managed before. I mean, I think that he saw that in game one, adjusted in game two. I thought in game four there was some different things he could have done maybe to offset things. And so tonight it's gonna be you know, if George Kirby doesn't have it, you got to go get him right away.

00:39:49
Speaker 4: You know.

00:39:50
Speaker 8: I think he'll be fine. I think George's has looked pretty strong. You saw the ninety nine mile por sinkers. He was firing in the last game. There's last outing. But you cannot hesitate. You have to be aggre if in every decision you make in a game five, because it's winner.

00:40:03
Speaker 5: Go home, Ryan finish this sentence for me, the manner the Mariners win tonight, if.

00:40:12
Speaker 8: The Mayors win a night, if Cal Rawley or Julio Rodriguez hit a homer, that's you know, to me, that's a big thing. Like if you noticed the first few games where they were going, Julio was a big presence, and I think Game three, Game four, they really were very careful with how they pitched to him because they know how much damage he can cause, and he didn't.

00:40:32
Speaker 4: You know, he didn't have a hit in neither of those two games, I believe, So getting.

00:40:36
Speaker 8: Julio on base or having him hit him hit a homer, I know, you guys, a boy aj he's been bringing up.

00:40:42
Speaker 4: If the Mariners hit two homers in a game, that are usually pretty unbeatable.

00:40:45
Speaker 8: So if they can get one homer from Cal or Julio and then maybe a homer from somebody else, that's how they do it. But it probably won't come off of Terrek schoobl I mean, like you think about it. The other day, Scooble threw what six innings, he struck out nine, He allowed five hits, but he just basically they made two mistakes and they were both to Polanco.

00:41:02
Speaker 4: Who hit him out.

00:41:03
Speaker 8: I'm guessing that he won't throw a cement mixer to Jorge Polanco again, or even a two to zero fastball and challenge him. I think they're gonna be very They're gonna be very cognizant about where they want to be and with in certain spots of the zone and let other guys beat them, specifically the bottom of the order, which other than in Game four, hasn't done a whole lot.

00:41:23
Speaker 3: Do you lean to the fact that it is almost impossible to beat Tarrek Scruble four times in a season and just say he's been almost perfect. Now tonight he's gonna be perfect? Or is there something in the sauce? Is there something in the fact that this team swings and Tarrek Scrugle's not pitching around guys and so you know the two laws of attraction pitches guys pitching the zone and teams that swing. Something bad is gonna happen for Scooble.

00:41:51
Speaker 8: I certainly don't think they're afraid of him. I mean, like you played him three times, you're not afraid of what he's done. You know you can beat him, even if it has been kind of ugly.

00:42:00
Speaker 4: In how they've beaten him.

00:42:01
Speaker 8: I mean, we're trying about Donovan Solano hit an RBI triple in one of the games that they beat him, and Dylan Moore, who you know, in the first time they beat him, they hit a solo homer. Those guys aren't with him anymore. But I think you beat a guy, you've seen him a lot. I think they understand. The one thing is is like that that change up, that disgusting, filthy change up they get in counts where that it's a possibility. They just got to see it up because it's like that thing is so nasty and he'll.

00:42:25
Speaker 4: Throw it left on left. You know.

00:42:28
Speaker 8: I was looking at my buddy Tim Booth that works with me at the see all times. He did some research on this and like guys coming out of their their cy Young year or guys in their cy Young Year, and we were expecting Schooble to win the Cy Young Year. They don't lose to a team four times very often. And the best kind of comp we could come up with was twenty thirteen Clayton Kershaw, who lost the you know, the Dodgers lost two games he started against the Cardinals during the regular season, and they lost both times in the Alds, so that's kind of where you know, and man, they just crushed Kershaw that year. I don't think I'll do the same with school. But that's where the territory we're in right now. It's like you're comparing Scooball to Kershaw, and that's what you're trying to do is beat him four times or beat a game that he beat the team when he starts four times in a season. It's not simple, but I mean, stranger things have happened.

00:43:14
Speaker 6: Should they even be in this spot?

00:43:16
Speaker 3: We've watched a Tigers lineup that is, in my opinion, is putrid. I get it the fact that the Mariner's rotation, the Mariners bullpen, they are just running out arm after arm after arm, and Tigers have looked listless. And yet they're in a spot that is enviable by everybody. Elite starter going and you win tonight, you move on. Should the Mariners even be in this spot?

00:43:43
Speaker 4: No, because I think they should have won Game one.

00:43:45
Speaker 8: I don't think there's any way George Kirby should have pitched the trek school or to carry Carpenter. There was a bag open if you want to walk him. You can do that, just don't let that happen. And similar to the other day, I mean it's three nothing. I know that you know, Spire and Bizarre, they just weren't as crisp.

00:44:01
Speaker 4: But I think you.

00:44:03
Speaker 8: Know, in that situation, Dan Wilson did a favor for AJ Hinch by bringing Inspire to face Parker Meadows.

00:44:10
Speaker 4: That was into ten. You know he strikes out thirty percent of the time.

00:44:13
Speaker 8: You don't need if you want to go bring in Bizarro, because what happened is is the moment Spier came in, Jamia Jones came in, and that did them a favor. You weren't You weren't putting a situation where AJ had to make a decision between Jami Jones and Kerry Carpenter. It's no decision with a lefty face in Parker Meadows. You're going to Jamia Jones regardless of the defense that Meadows provides. So then all of a sudden, Gabe Spier's facing back to back writings. Then he gets Carpenter in another wrighty, that's not what you have Gabe Spier in there for.

00:44:40
Speaker 4: And I know he can get out right hander. So I think that one was kind of questionable. The Mayors didn't.

00:44:44
Speaker 8: Add after they got the three runs they had basis load, they only get one. But yeah, I feel like this series should have been over with. Am I a little sour because it would have been a lot easier to drive from Toronto from Detroit to Toronto than flying back to Seattle.

00:44:57
Speaker 4: But they they, I.

00:44:58
Speaker 8: Mean from a talent standpoint, yeah, the Marriners are the better team. And what happens is when you get to a game five in a short series and you know they got their horse going, luck starts to play into it too. A bad break here, a bad break there, you know, I mean you look at the other day. I felt like the Bryce Miller inning where everything went south. Randio Rosarina has to cut that ball off in left field. It's happened twice. Bad angle, bad Reid doesn't cut it off. Let's it get to the gap. Then all of a sudden it's a double scoring run. You know, if he cuts it off, if he finds a way to cut it off, maybe they get the run of the third. But Dylan Dingler does not get to second base. And then you can play a little bit, You can match up, you can do some things. So I think, like that's the thing is like, once you get into a game five, the luck component happens. One mistake here, one mistake there.

00:45:45
Speaker 4: You know that happens.

00:45:46
Speaker 8: Like even last night you're watching you're watching the Phillies and the Dodgers. The Phillies had so many opportunities and they just couldn't and it's game five and you find a way to lose and you're done. And that's the difference with the five game series versus the seven. In a seven, I think the overall talent of the Mariners wins out regardless of decisions. But in five, you know, you make one mistake, you have one bad game from a reliever or something like that, and all of a sudden you're fighting for your life.

00:46:13
Speaker 5: All right, make your best case against Aeric Kratz, who believes Aaron Judge is going to win the MVP. Why cal Rawley should be the MVP.

00:46:23
Speaker 8: Well, the running joke was the other night cal Rawley, after Vargas threw the wild pitch that he couldn't block, he threw one hundred mile per hour sinker in the dirt that cal went across his body backhanded and blocked with one leg and glove and right there I said, I mean, yeah, hitting sixty homers is pretty hard. Catching Carlos Vargas multiple times in a season, on's the aeron judge, do that?

00:46:48
Speaker 6: You know what?

00:46:48
Speaker 4: I mean?

00:46:49
Speaker 8: Like the amount of stress that Cal Rawley has put on himself and his body physically every day.

00:46:54
Speaker 4: Crats should know how many times you get up and get down in a nine inning game.

00:46:59
Speaker 8: I mean, this is guy's caught more innings than anybody else in the American League.

00:47:02
Speaker 4: I just think physically what he's done.

00:47:05
Speaker 8: The amount of pressure, the amount of time, the amount of focus that goes into everyone else other than him. I think that's why. I mean, that's how you measure value. You know, I was a very mediocre catcher in college and catching a seven inning game, I felt like I got hit by a train. So Cal's doing this every night and catching the best guys in the world. So I just think, like the amount of influence he has on the game, beyond his hitting numbers, beyond OPS plus or ops is something you can't possibly measure, but you kind of know it. And I mean, I guess to me, it's like I see an MVP level performance and somebody joke with me that it's because I spent most of my early years of my career in Seattle watching bad catching that when I see good catching, I overvalue it. But I don't think there's any overvaluing good catching and production from a catch. I mean, how many guys do we see now produced from the catcher spot the way?

00:48:05
Speaker 4: Not even like cal Rawle.

00:48:06
Speaker 8: I mean cal Rale of last year is kind of like a unicorn hitting thirty five bombs sixty.

00:48:12
Speaker 4: I mean, I will never see a season like this again.

00:48:16
Speaker 3: You mean Kenji Joe Jama wasn't the best catcher you've ever seen?

00:48:20
Speaker 6: And go ahead, go ahead.

00:48:23
Speaker 4: I go off the list.

00:48:25
Speaker 8: I covered Miguelo Levo and Jeff Clement, Jesus Montero, who I hope is doing better because I know he's in a bad car accident down in Venezuela.

00:48:34
Speaker 4: I cover a lot of bad catchers.

00:48:36
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, that's why when Mike Xanino, when they drafted Mike's Andino, and everybody was upset because you know, Zanino was a two hundred hitter. That the amount of runs that dude save. And I mean, ask the Tampa Bay Rays what they've been looking for since a Nino got hurt and retired. Like when you have that that guy back there and you can stamp him in and he can post.

00:48:57
Speaker 4: I mean, it just makes such a huge difference.

00:49:00
Speaker 6: All right.

00:49:01
Speaker 3: Well, to make sure KP understands, I think Cow's the MVP. I think Aaron Judge wins it. My opinion and who wins it are two different things. But we gotta go to We gotta go to Josh Naylor for my last question. Josh Naylor relaying signs, what what do you like? Can can we put this to bed? Is Hinch pissed about it?

00:49:29
Speaker 6: Is?

00:49:29
Speaker 3: Is it something that's gonna be taken care of tonight spring training?

00:49:33
Speaker 6: What do we got on it?

00:49:35
Speaker 4: Yeah? AJ didn't seem very upset, you know, but AJ's pretty polished on the podium.

00:49:41
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie like he's a writer's dream because he can talk forever about anything. But he didn't seem too upset about it. I don't think kazy Miies was upset or pleased about it. You know, he had a few words. But this has been going on. It happened to Andres Munos in New York earlier this year. Your judge and some guys were signaling pitches and Munyos was leaving his glove open so they could see the grips on his pitches. And your facing Ondres Munno is knowing that slider's coming is pretty useful. So I don't know how much was pure location how much was gamesmanship. But dominic can Zone was right after him and he was signaling as well.

00:50:21
Speaker 4: And I think in this.

00:50:22
Speaker 8: Situation, you know, you have to you have to do whatever it takes. Sure, could you be a little more subtle, Yeah, But I mean, let's be honest, as Josh Naylor ever come off as a subtle dude when it comes to.

00:50:34
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. And I'll say this about Josh.

00:50:38
Speaker 8: Naylor, and it's true, he picks it up from watching the games, like the lost art of watching games. You know, you're not looking at the iPad and everything else. He's in there watching games, and like he picks stuff up while he's watching the game, whether it's from the dugout on base, you know, he sees all that stuff. And I mean, credit to him. Yeah, could you do it a little bit more subtly? Probably? You know, when we saw Dingler moving the locations around a little bit and trying to fake out the locations, and I don't know how much of it was real and what wasn't. It certainly bothered Casey Mice when he was pitching. So I don't think Josh is gonna change. I don't think anything's gonna make Josh Naylor change anything. So from there, we'll we'll see. But it'll be interesting tonight.

00:51:18
Speaker 7: You know.

00:51:18
Speaker 8: In the old days, there yeah, heaters in your ribs. I just don't think the postseas are going.

00:51:22
Speaker 6: To see that. Now.

00:51:24
Speaker 2: You might see it next season, or like krat said, sometime in twenty twenty six, when it matters less in a different moment. And I don't believe Hinch for a second, or even if you do. It might not have bothered him, but it bothered some of the players. And we also saw what happened later on in the game. I mean the Tigers lit up. I'm not saying that that was what caused it, but I think some Tigers were pretty pissed about it.

00:51:45
Speaker 1: That's me.

00:51:45
Speaker 4: They're certainly aware about it.

00:51:47
Speaker 8: Right now, they're going to be discussing and I'm sure they discussed it on the flight and discussing it pregame. Make sure, Hey, close up your glove. Okay, don't signal too soon. We saw that with cal Rawley too, that they felt like the Dodgers were tipping some and even the Astros were, we're tipping some pitches and kyl Rawley started showing the glove and his target a lot.

00:52:04
Speaker 4: Later because of it.

00:52:05
Speaker 8: You make the adjustment and there are you know, you're trying to win here and it isn't illegal. I mean, I think that's probably probably one reason why AJ Hinch can't talk about it or be hypercritical of it, because it'd be a little hypocritical.

00:52:18
Speaker 4: If he did, considering who he managed during those years.

00:52:22
Speaker 1: Exactly right. He has to watch it a little more, which is understandable too.

00:52:26
Speaker 4: Ryan.

00:52:27
Speaker 1: Enjoy it, man, It's gonna be awesome. What a scene.

00:52:29
Speaker 2: I know you've covered this team for a minute and this is the big moment. So thanks for joining us before. I appreciate the time.

00:52:35
Speaker 6: Dude.

00:52:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks.

00:52:36
Speaker 8: I've had a lot of AJ in my life. I'm not going to say five games of AJ. It's a lot, you know.

00:52:42
Speaker 2: One more AJ and he's going to be bringing this is his last game of the year, so yes, we apologize in advance.

00:52:48
Speaker 1: But I don't feel bad for you.

00:52:50
Speaker 2: We have him on just about every day, so I sit next to him for half of my life. Thanks Ryan, doctor soon dude, coming back for a quick minute here. So Mike G's a big Cups fan and he's been in the chat. We've been going back and forth.

00:53:01
Speaker 1: Two things.

00:53:02
Speaker 2: One he said we were not listening closely enough to the broadcast because it was in the very beginning of the game.

00:53:07
Speaker 1: And I actually will take the l on that one. He's probably right.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: We're doing a postgame show, and you know, they were flipping from the one game to the other, so there was a little bit of crossover there, so I I was looking at it, but I guess I missed. You know, apparently the broadcast was picking up the Freddy thing and it was a huge deal and it's all they're talking about in Chicago.

00:53:23
Speaker 1: So okay, that's fair. Number two.

00:53:26
Speaker 2: Caid, Yeah, exactly, not a national story, more of a local thing. Cool Caid Horton, he said, would you try and fudge the roster get someone hurt to put him in for Game five? Because he said that he's pain free now. And I looked into the story a little bit more and he did say he's pain free, but he said really not trying to still push it. But for right now, I'm feeling good. So I don't know if he's definitely ready, And I don't think that's going to happen because I'm assuming there's got to be all kinds of throwing programs and things going on. But maybe he will be a factor in the next round, which would be huge for them if that's the case.

00:54:03
Speaker 3: Not pudging the roster, as somebody who's been on the phanomi l they're not fudging the playoff roster. You gotta you're gonna go through a lot more channels to be able to pudge a roster in the postseason.

00:54:16
Speaker 9: I wanna get hurt, can come back, fracture Griff Robert, All right, let's slap quick crats, hats.

00:54:40
Speaker 6: Nice, that's it. I'm here with my buddy K Pizzle Drizzle from the Sizzle.

00:54:45
Speaker 1: I have a question for k Pizzle.

00:54:47
Speaker 2: Skip Schumacher was just introduced to as Rangers manager. We all saw that one coming. But are you excited for him to lead the charge?

00:54:54
Speaker 6: Now?

00:54:57
Speaker 5: Am I excited for?

00:54:58
Speaker 6: What? For? Skin?

00:55:01
Speaker 5: I'm not there anymore.

00:55:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Skip.

00:55:03
Speaker 5: I think I think I know, Yeah, I'm excited for Skip. I like Skip a lot as a human. He was around a ton. I think he got kind of the short end of the stick in Miami. And you know, he's in a good place. He's in a good place. See he's you know, took a year off, learned the organization. I think he's the right guy for the job considering what they're talking about. Obviously they have a lot of big contracts they have, but they're gonna have to fill that roster with a lot of younger guys to to kind of bring payroll down. I think Skip has a history what he did in Miami getting the best out of those young guys. So I think he's the right guy for the right I think he's the right guy at the right time where this organization is heading.

00:55:43
Speaker 2: I didn't see the press conference, but saying you want to establish a winning culture for a team that won two years ago, Skip, you might want that one back.

00:55:51
Speaker 1: Like obviously I love Skip.

00:55:53
Speaker 5: But I but I think that's been kind of the big I think that's kind of been the big issue there. There's been it's been an excuse year after year, we want a World Series, but the culture isn't about winning right now, so I think I think what he's saying is valid.

00:56:07
Speaker 3: I agree, and he did it in Miami with no personnel. It's a thing. It might be a generic comment, but I agree with KP.

00:56:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not a winning team. It's a culture that he created, so I think it's fair.

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