BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER FROM MICHIGAN | THE CREATURE WAS STANDING IN THE TREE! (NORTHERN ENCOUNTERS)

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
<v Speaker 1>this episode, we have Val from Michigan and he had
<v Speaker 1>a few bigfoot encounters and experiences that he wanted to
<v Speaker 1>share with all of us. Val was a former law
<v Speaker 1>enforcement investigator, so he's very meticulous about information and data.
<v Speaker 1>Val has researched missing people and it's something that he
<v Speaker 1>has come across in his line of work. He's also
<v Speaker 1>contacted David Pliitis and shared information with him, so after
<v Speaker 1>his bigfoot encounter, he became very intrigued by the subject
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to learn more. Val feels these creatures are
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and you can't trust them because they're not your friends,
<v Speaker 1>and they're not something that you should be gifting. I
<v Speaker 1>think it's certainly something that you should be very cautious about.
<v Speaker 1>These creatures may try to befriend you, but you don't
<v Speaker 1>know their true intentions because they are extremely elusive, and
<v Speaker 1>sure they don't trust people, but you don't know what
<v Speaker 1>they're fully capable of. And just because a little one
<v Speaker 1>is kind to you, maybe the adults will not show
<v Speaker 1>the same type of kindness. If you enjoy listening to
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<v Speaker 1>And if you have a bigfoot encounter that you would
<v Speaker 1>like to share with me here on the show, please
<v Speaker 1>contact me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. All right, guys,
<v Speaker 1>with all that being said, let's dive into VAL's bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounter from the state of Michigan. All right, Val, welcome
<v Speaker 1>to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful.
<v Speaker 1>How are you doing, Miguel, I'm doing pretty good. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you so much for asking.
<v Speaker 3>Val.
<v Speaker 1>You have some encounters and experiences and information to share
<v Speaker 1>from the state of Michigan. I believe if you would
<v Speaker 1>run me through those experiences.
<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, I would like to introduce myself
<v Speaker 4>and thank you again for the for the opportunity to
<v Speaker 4>share my information. I am a former law enforcement officer
<v Speaker 4>and former private licensed private investigator, and I in fact,
<v Speaker 4>I've spent my entire adult life doing that that type
<v Speaker 4>of work, and and so twenty five and a half
<v Speaker 4>years of doing that kind of stuff, it tends to
<v Speaker 4>wear on you after a while, and so towards the
<v Speaker 4>end of my my career, I volunteered to look for
<v Speaker 4>look for a messing individual out of Ohio, disappeared someplace
<v Speaker 4>between Florida and Texas, and I pick up the story
<v Speaker 4>when it.
<v Speaker 3>Comes to me.
<v Speaker 4>The information comes to me that the missing individual, and
<v Speaker 4>this all circles back to how I got into Bigfoottery
<v Speaker 4>and where we're at today. So the information comes to
<v Speaker 4>me that the missing individual made a collect call to
<v Speaker 4>the mother in Ohio, an elderly mother, and she hadn't
<v Speaker 4>heard from her son in thirty to thirty one years.
<v Speaker 4>And I felt an incumbent upon myself to do what
<v Speaker 4>I can use my skills and experience to help bring
<v Speaker 4>closer to this family of this missing individual. I jumped
<v Speaker 4>into it only after I started receiving I started receiving
<v Speaker 4>strange things happening to me working midnight shifts for fifteen years.
<v Speaker 4>It's very, very stressful on a person's body, for man
<v Speaker 4>and animals alike, performance during the pre dawn hours, such
<v Speaker 4>as what I did between the hours of two am
<v Speaker 4>and six am. Physiologically, our circadian rhythm steps in and
<v Speaker 4>it plays all kinds of weird things on your body.
<v Speaker 4>It's not good for your health. First of all, it
<v Speaker 4>causes sleepiness and hinders our our abilities and readiness and
<v Speaker 4>situational awareness, and you know, it causes everybody to be
<v Speaker 4>drowsily and vigilant at most times, so sleep at night
<v Speaker 4>was very, very restless. On one occasion, I woke up
<v Speaker 4>and there was a there was an Indian, a native
<v Speaker 4>Indian individuals standing in my bedroom and I thought it
<v Speaker 4>was a burglar. I thought it was a thief that
<v Speaker 4>broke into my house dressed like that. And I was
<v Speaker 4>trying to get up and go to my closet and
<v Speaker 4>get my gun because you know, this is an intruder,
<v Speaker 4>and and you know I live outside the trient and
<v Speaker 4>things like that happened. But in any event, I felt
<v Speaker 4>as though I couldn't get up.
<v Speaker 3>But I.
<v Speaker 4>Think the the eye to eye contact with this individual,
<v Speaker 4>whatever it was, was to make me feel as though
<v Speaker 4>they were surprised. First of all, they were surprised that
<v Speaker 4>I could see it, You could see me, I.
<v Speaker 2>Could see it.
<v Speaker 4>It was surprised and startled and it let me know
<v Speaker 4>I see no lips moving. But it was in thought
<v Speaker 4>that it was not there to harm me. It was
<v Speaker 4>just passing through. And in my feeling at that moment
<v Speaker 4>was that just relax, I'm just passing through and I
<v Speaker 4>don't mean any harm.
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that you see me.
<v Speaker 4>And from that point on I went back to sleep
<v Speaker 4>next morning, bright and sunny, nothing there, but I felt
<v Speaker 4>that was, uh, that was That's the first time that's
<v Speaker 4>ever happened to me. And just a preface when I said,
<v Speaker 4>I'm a completely sober man, no drugs, no alcohol, none
<v Speaker 4>of that stuff, completely sober. But I couldn't understand, you know,
<v Speaker 4>why this has happened? How did it happen? So I
<v Speaker 4>went to my partner, longtime partner on the streets and
<v Speaker 4>confided in him and shared that with him, and he
<v Speaker 4>is of Ojibwa ancestry, and he was pretty profound in
<v Speaker 4>his response and stuff. But to follow that up, about
<v Speaker 4>a week later, I get a phone call I don't
<v Speaker 4>know where, by some friends that I hadn't heard from
<v Speaker 4>in quite a while, and they were asking me if
<v Speaker 4>I was working day shift. Then I day and it
<v Speaker 4>just so happened as coincidences, and I don't believe in coincidences.
<v Speaker 4>It just so happened that I was working dayshift. I
<v Speaker 4>think there was platoon shorts or something. They didn't have
<v Speaker 4>enough man power, so they asked me if I would
<v Speaker 4>work and I did and the lady told me, some
<v Speaker 4>lady wants to meet you anytime when you're working like
<v Speaker 4>that like I did, and a strange woman you don't
<v Speaker 4>know wants to meet you, it automatically raises red flags.
<v Speaker 4>Your antennis should go up immediately, because.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know if you're going to be accused.
<v Speaker 4>Of something, if this woman is crazy, or you don't
<v Speaker 4>know anything about her, but she wants to meet you.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm certain I've never met this woman before, but
<v Speaker 4>I went over and I was introduced to this woman,
<v Speaker 4>this little age woman. She looked at me and excuse
<v Speaker 4>herself from my friend that she wanted to talk in
<v Speaker 4>private with me. And from that point on, Miguel.
<v Speaker 2>She says.
<v Speaker 4>The first thing that she says is this, you're an
<v Speaker 4>old soul. You've been here many times before. And she says,
<v Speaker 4>do you want me to tell you how you died
<v Speaker 4>in your previous life?
<v Speaker 3>And I said no.
<v Speaker 4>She says, do you get headaches? And I'm automatically thinking
<v Speaker 4>where she's going with us, And I said, you know,
<v Speaker 4>the occasional sinus, this, that and the other. She says, well,
<v Speaker 4>don't give me a long answer, just give me a
<v Speaker 4>guess or no, we went on, and she says, I'm
<v Speaker 4>going to share something with you. And she says, I
<v Speaker 4>don't want you to take this wrong. I don't want
<v Speaker 4>you to think I don't want you to take this
<v Speaker 4>as a threat. She says, you work alone at night
<v Speaker 4>a lot, I said I do. She says, I see
<v Speaker 4>a red car, round red tail lights, I see you,
<v Speaker 4>and I hear gunshots. And she says, I'm telling you
<v Speaker 4>to be careful. That's my message to you.
<v Speaker 3>She said some other.
<v Speaker 4>Things I'll keep i'll keep private. I'll keep to myself.
<v Speaker 4>But she at one point she looked at me, dead
<v Speaker 4>straight in the eyes, and she said, you're looking for somebody.
<v Speaker 3>I said, I am. She says, I.
<v Speaker 4>Don't see that person. She didn't say man, she didn't
<v Speaker 4>say woman. I don't see that person here on this
<v Speaker 4>plane right now. Doesn't mean that they're alive, doesn't mean
<v Speaker 4>that they're dead. It just means that I don't see them.
<v Speaker 4>But she says, this is what I want to tell you.
<v Speaker 4>They know you're looking for them, they will let you
<v Speaker 4>know and they're ready to be found. And that was
<v Speaker 4>her message to me. Now, I'm going to tell you
<v Speaker 4>something right now, Miguel. You know I was pretty floored
<v Speaker 4>by what she said. This is a stranger. I don't
<v Speaker 4>know this woman. I never met her before and never
<v Speaker 4>I'm certain I've never spoke with this woman before in
<v Speaker 4>my life. For her to come out and tell me
<v Speaker 4>stuff like this and other stuff that I'm not going
<v Speaker 4>to share, it absolutely hit me puzzle. So I called
<v Speaker 4>the mother of this missing individual three o'clock in the morning,
<v Speaker 4>and prior to my presence on your show here, I
<v Speaker 4>explained to you the circadian rhythm and how it affects
<v Speaker 4>different people. It affects me the same way that it
<v Speaker 4>does unsure other people and animals.
<v Speaker 3>So even.
<v Speaker 4>At three o'clock in the morning, I call this woman,
<v Speaker 4>wake her up. She's an older woman and she knew
<v Speaker 4>who I was, and I asked her. I said, tell
<v Speaker 4>me everything that you remember from that last phone call
<v Speaker 4>that you had with your son before he went missing.
<v Speaker 2>And she went through the whole.
<v Speaker 4>Spiel, and she cried and she wept on the phone,
<v Speaker 4>and I listened to her, and when she composed herself,
<v Speaker 4>I promised her I will look for her son. I'll
<v Speaker 4>bring him home to you. I'll find him and I'll
<v Speaker 4>bring him home to you. It took me twenty one months,
<v Speaker 4>I used DNA by Techondro DNA samples and twenty one
<v Speaker 4>months later I get a call and let me back
<v Speaker 4>up a step. In order to do this, I was
<v Speaker 4>a with a large intelligence international intelligence group, and that's
<v Speaker 4>the kind of stuff I did. I taught law enforcement officers.
<v Speaker 4>I instructed them in two of Michigan's largest community colleges,
<v Speaker 4>and I did guest speaking around the Midwest, so people
<v Speaker 4>knew me. I was also featured as a SME SMI
<v Speaker 4>as a subject matter.
<v Speaker 3>Expert, and the kind of stuff that I did.
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a published article.
<v Speaker 4>In the Middle Atlantic Great Lakes States Intelligence Organized Crime magazine, went.
<v Speaker 2>All over the East Coast.
<v Speaker 4>That's the kind of stuff I did. So I was
<v Speaker 4>featured on A and E History channel on a exposed,
<v Speaker 4>a documentary they did several years ago. So that's just
<v Speaker 4>to establish where I'm coming from in this. So I
<v Speaker 4>get into this this investigation, and through my contexts, through
<v Speaker 4>this intelligence association, I'm pointed. I'm pointed two directions, and
<v Speaker 4>that's it. You know, here's some contexts. You know, it's
<v Speaker 4>up to you to make these contexts. They should have
<v Speaker 4>some information for you. I made the contacts and believe me,
<v Speaker 4>when you when you're an outsider and you go to
<v Speaker 4>another agency poking around looking for information, it's not easy,
<v Speaker 4>especially thirty years you know. And so in my travels,
<v Speaker 4>I contacted a a crime reporter out of Houston, ironical,
<v Speaker 4>and she shared a lot of information with me, was
<v Speaker 4>very helpful and locating this individual. So this goes from
<v Speaker 4>what she had to share with me, was that around
<v Speaker 4>the time that my missing person disappeared was also the
<v Speaker 4>same time frame that they were aware of at least
<v Speaker 4>twenty three or twenty seven serial killers all in that corridor.
<v Speaker 4>The I ten runs from the Atlantic Ocean to the
<v Speaker 4>Pacific Oceans. I think it's the only inter interstate and
<v Speaker 4>continental US that runs from east to west coast. And
<v Speaker 4>during my investigation, I came upon hundreds of thousands of
<v Speaker 4>missing people, bodies, this ident unidentified people. Around the same time,
<v Speaker 4>I was listening to this individual from California, David Poladi's
<v Speaker 4>Missing for One to one author and I contacted him
<v Speaker 4>by phone a couple of times because of some of
<v Speaker 4>the stuff that I was coming up with doing the
<v Speaker 4>research that I was doing for the for the work
<v Speaker 4>that I was doing, and we chechatted about that in Canada,
<v Speaker 4>there was a huge number of feet found with shoes
<v Speaker 4>up near the British Columbia area. I think I was
<v Speaker 4>looking at something or somebody in Alberta, Canada, and all
<v Speaker 4>of this stuff, all of this gruesome stuff, circles around
<v Speaker 4>the same thing.
<v Speaker 3>Anyways.
<v Speaker 2>So after.
<v Speaker 4>I was notified twenty one months later that yes, I
<v Speaker 4>got a hit on the individual I'm looking for, I
<v Speaker 4>contact the medical examiner, and I contact the homicide investigators
<v Speaker 4>down down in Texas and we chit chat, and from
<v Speaker 4>there I got all the necessary information that I.
<v Speaker 2>Needed to affect his movement.
<v Speaker 4>The remains to be moved from Texas back to the
<v Speaker 4>back to his native home in Ohio. And after his
<v Speaker 4>service in Ohio, the next day, I decided, you know,
<v Speaker 4>this was it for me. I was going to retire.
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I did. Twenty five and a half
<v Speaker 4>years on the job. I retired a good stand and
<v Speaker 4>all of these changes in my life. For you know,
<v Speaker 4>anybody that's been through that knows what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's earth shattering, It's it's huge and monumental. It's
<v Speaker 4>a change in your life. So at that point I
<v Speaker 4>had a lot of time, and I was thinking to myself,
<v Speaker 4>what am I.
<v Speaker 3>Gonna do now?
<v Speaker 4>And I remember talking to p ladies. I remember looking
<v Speaker 4>at these with amusement, looking at these fish rat newspapers
<v Speaker 4>at the checkout counter at the grocery stores about Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 4>you know, laughs and chuckles, giggles and laughs. And I
<v Speaker 4>never really paid much attention to it. I never really
<v Speaker 4>thought about Bigfoot. I mean, you know, I had other things,
<v Speaker 4>more pressing things to think about. But with all this time,
<v Speaker 4>all this idle time on my hand, I decided that
<v Speaker 4>I would look into Bigfoot for myself and decide for
<v Speaker 4>myself whether this is true or whether it's a myth.
<v Speaker 4>And from that point I started looking at the Monroe
<v Speaker 4>County Monster incident that occurred back in nineteen sixty five
<v Speaker 4>August nineteen sixty five, in which, in that case, a
<v Speaker 4>mother and daughter, sixteen year old daughter and mother driving
<v Speaker 4>on one of these dark country back roads. Because back
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen sixty five, that's how you learn how to
<v Speaker 4>teach your kids how to drive. Everybody knew it. The
<v Speaker 4>sheriff deputies knew it, police knew it, and it didn't matter.
<v Speaker 4>It was an accepted practice back then. You know, you
<v Speaker 4>take your kids out on these roads. How they learned
<v Speaker 4>how to drive. So the sixteen year old young lady
<v Speaker 4>is driving the car, and the mother's in the car,
<v Speaker 4>you know, nineteen sixty five. There's no air conditioning. It's
<v Speaker 4>summertime in Michigan in August. The summers are hot and humid.
<v Speaker 4>It's repressive, and the windows are rolled down. She's driving.
<v Speaker 4>It's at night, there's no street lights. It's dark, and
<v Speaker 4>out of the field comes a large hairy brown sasquatch.
<v Speaker 3>She panics.
<v Speaker 4>The sixteen year old new driver panics, hits the brake,
<v Speaker 4>stalls the car, and she screams, and mother screams, and
<v Speaker 4>the hairy individual grabs the young girl grabs the young
<v Speaker 4>girl slams her face against the doorpost and walks off.
<v Speaker 4>Now there's two ladies are left in hysterics out there
<v Speaker 4>in the darkness on the country road.
<v Speaker 3>They're not far.
<v Speaker 4>They're within a mile probably of her mother's house, her
<v Speaker 4>grandmother's house.
<v Speaker 3>And at that time it caused.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of.
<v Speaker 4>Hysterical neighbors to come out with with forks and bats
<v Speaker 4>and knives and shotguns and stuff like that, because you know,
<v Speaker 4>you don't mess with people. Family people like that, in
<v Speaker 4>close rural neighborhoods like.
<v Speaker 3>That, everybody comes out, words.
<v Speaker 4>Spread, It caused hysterics. It was all over the newspapers
<v Speaker 4>when around the world, and the rest is history. When
<v Speaker 4>I retire, I go back and I look at these reports,
<v Speaker 4>and I see a lot of problem because I look
<v Speaker 4>at these reports not as a spectator, not as a
<v Speaker 4>general citizen, but from a police officers perspective. I look
<v Speaker 4>at this, and I look at this with a jaundice eye,
<v Speaker 4>and I see a lot of problems with the way
<v Speaker 4>that was handled the public, mockery, ridicule, calling these these
<v Speaker 4>these witnesses, victim witnesses, liars and stuff like that. So
<v Speaker 4>all of the stuff. I'm looking at this stuff, Miguel,
<v Speaker 4>and I see problems with it. But again, this is
<v Speaker 4>nineteen sixty five, this is not twenty twenty four. So
<v Speaker 4>I contact, I can't contact an individual in Michigan who
<v Speaker 4>was a pretty well known bigfoot enthusiast researcher, and I
<v Speaker 4>asked him, introduce myself, and I asked them, can I
<v Speaker 4>go out with you when you do these hikes and stuff?
<v Speaker 4>And we did, and we got to know each other
<v Speaker 4>quite well. In a couple of years, and this is
<v Speaker 4>twenty twelve. When I retired. In twenty fourteen, myself and
<v Speaker 4>this other individual who became my friend, we were out
<v Speaker 4>in Washnow County, Michigan, and it was very very hot,
<v Speaker 4>very very humid July. It was July nineteenth, twenty fourteen.
<v Speaker 4>We went through a couple couple bottles of bug spray
<v Speaker 4>because the bugs were really really bad. And we started
<v Speaker 4>going into this particular patch of woods at the Waterloo
<v Speaker 4>State Park in Washington County. And when we when we
<v Speaker 4>got into that that wooded area a few times, as
<v Speaker 4>we were walking through there, Bob had stopped me and
<v Speaker 4>he said, well, is it raining outside? I said, no,
<v Speaker 4>it's not raining. He said, there's something flickering through the leaves. Well,
<v Speaker 4>what it was, I believe what it was was acorns.
<v Speaker 4>Something was throwing acorns, you know, above the trees. They
<v Speaker 4>were they were flittering through the leaves. But we continued
<v Speaker 4>on walking on our journey. We didn't really know where
<v Speaker 4>we're going. We're just walking through the woods, just making
<v Speaker 4>note of these different things. Then I noticed that the
<v Speaker 4>bugs and the flies were just crazy. I mean bugs
<v Speaker 4>biting and flies biting, you know, it was just a.
<v Speaker 4>It was a mess.
<v Speaker 2>I was hot, sweaty, tie are hungry.
<v Speaker 4>And then the bugs just unbelievable bugs. I've never seen
<v Speaker 4>anything like this before. I never experienced anything like this before.
<v Speaker 4>I've seen shooting, suicides, accidental deaths, plane crashes, murders, stabbings,
<v Speaker 4>but I never seen anything like this, and I never
<v Speaker 4>felt like this before. We continue our walk through this
<v Speaker 4>particular area and we hear large reports of tree cracks,
<v Speaker 4>I mean loud when it's in the woods, the echoes,
<v Speaker 4>and it's.
<v Speaker 2>Like a gunshine.
<v Speaker 4>And Bob paus and stopped and he asked, he said, well,
<v Speaker 4>did you hear that?
<v Speaker 3>And I said, yeah, what is it? I said, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know.
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like a big tree branch. It wasn't a twig,
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a stick, it was a large branch. We
<v Speaker 4>continued on towards the direction of the sound, and we
<v Speaker 4>finally came upon a large, very very large tree that
<v Speaker 4>had fallen. I don't know if that was what we heard,
<v Speaker 4>but it was a large tree. And on the other
<v Speaker 4>side of the tree, as I recall, there was a
<v Speaker 4>large like a bramble bush with a tunnel in it.
<v Speaker 4>And looking back at this in hindsight, it was a
<v Speaker 4>bigfoot nest. That's exactly what that was. It was dark inside,
<v Speaker 4>you couldn't see the end of it. And I know
<v Speaker 4>Bob had shimmeyed over the tree and was on his
<v Speaker 4>hands and knees trying to see if there was anything
<v Speaker 4>in it.
<v Speaker 3>And I know we neither one.
<v Speaker 4>Of us carried a flashlight, but I stayed on the
<v Speaker 4>opposite side of the tree, and I felt these eyes
<v Speaker 4>on me. And through my previous training experience in some
<v Speaker 4>of the situational things that I've been in where I've
<v Speaker 4>been involved.
<v Speaker 3>In, I can tell you. I can tell you that,
<v Speaker 3>and you.
<v Speaker 4>Can try this on your own sometime, or any of
<v Speaker 4>your listeners can try this. Go into a bar, a
<v Speaker 4>crowded bar, a restaurant, or even a movie theater and
<v Speaker 4>stand there. Just walk in there and stand there and
<v Speaker 4>pick somebody out in that crowd. Pick somebody out in
<v Speaker 4>that crowd and stare at him, Just watch them and
<v Speaker 4>see if intuitively, if they don't turn around, if they
<v Speaker 4>don't turn around and look you dead straight in the eyes.
<v Speaker 4>That's how powerful human beings are, and that's how powerful
<v Speaker 4>ineffectual are intuitive feelings are. You can get a person
<v Speaker 4>to notice you and look at you. Just by looking
<v Speaker 4>at them, they feel it. You might see them scratch
<v Speaker 4>their neck, you might see them touch their back, but
<v Speaker 4>they'll turn around and they'll look at you. That's the
<v Speaker 4>feeling that I got when I was out there. I've
<v Speaker 4>been into many many homes, many many places like this.
<v Speaker 4>It works, it happens. So I notice that somebody is
<v Speaker 4>watching me, somebody's looking at me. And I did have
<v Speaker 4>a cheap, a cheap camera, Kodak camera, thirty five milimeter
<v Speaker 4>digital camera. And what I did was was I loaded
<v Speaker 4>it up, I got it ready, and I just swung
<v Speaker 4>around and started snapping pictures in a hundred degree arc.
<v Speaker 4>And I seen this individual, this big individual, on the
<v Speaker 4>side of a tree. It looked like he was either
<v Speaker 4>climbing up the tree or coming down the tree. But
<v Speaker 4>he was very large. And my first response, my first
<v Speaker 4>reaction when I seen this individual, he was the color
<v Speaker 4>of a car heart jacket, like a deer, you know,
<v Speaker 4>almost a reddish brown color, and all hairy. His whole
<v Speaker 4>right side was revealed. I seen from the head all
<v Speaker 4>the way down to his cat. The face was sparsely
<v Speaker 4>it had sparse hair on it, so I could see
<v Speaker 4>almost a pink, pallid complexion, sweaty, oily, shiny, kind of
<v Speaker 4>like I recall dead people looking They get that plastic
<v Speaker 4>look about their face, like makeup and stuff, and that's
<v Speaker 4>what this individual's face looked like. I would say he
<v Speaker 4>was he or she was probably in the range of
<v Speaker 4>eight and a half nine foot, very hairy on the arms,
<v Speaker 4>the chest, the legs, the thigh, the ankle. I look
<v Speaker 4>at this individual, it looks at me eye and my
<v Speaker 4>first reaction was, what the are you kidding me already?
<v Speaker 4>And that's when reality struck. That's you know, when reality
<v Speaker 4>strikes when you see something like that and your mind
<v Speaker 4>goes a million, a million different places. You know, it's
<v Speaker 4>unbelievable speed, it's very hard to grasp. It's shocking. It
<v Speaker 4>is shocking, and that's something I'll never ever forget about. That,
<v Speaker 4>the fact that you've seen what what media and authorities
<v Speaker 4>mocked people about. You know, this is a joke, this
<v Speaker 4>is a lie, This is a myth. The real myth
<v Speaker 4>is the deception that they put on all of us
<v Speaker 4>all these years, all these decades.
<v Speaker 2>That's the myth.
<v Speaker 4>That's the shocking reality of a bigfoot Sasquatch in Connor
<v Speaker 4>and so I equate that feeling.
<v Speaker 2>For me.
<v Speaker 4>It was like and I carried I carried a weapon
<v Speaker 4>I always do, and I know it's seen it on
<v Speaker 4>my hip. The feeling was like, it was these thoughts
<v Speaker 4>in my head. It was like somebody standing over your shoulder,
<v Speaker 4>rifling through your computer files. That's the feeling I got.
<v Speaker 4>Very intrusive, very very intrusive. I told Janis Carter one time.
<v Speaker 4>I says, my experience that I felt was as though
<v Speaker 4>those eyes were looking through my soul. And she said, well, well,
<v Speaker 4>they're reading you. I says, what do you mean reading me?
<v Speaker 4>What does that mean to me? Well, as she explains,
<v Speaker 4>it means that they were looking to see if you
<v Speaker 4>what kind of person you are, Are you a good person?
<v Speaker 4>What your intentions are? Well, Miguel, I'll tell you my
<v Speaker 4>intentions are are this. Frankly, I'm a live and let
<v Speaker 4>live kind of person. I don't want to take any life.
<v Speaker 4>I don't hunt anymore. I don't fish anymore. Although I
<v Speaker 4>thoroughly enjoyed those two sports, I don't do that anymore.
<v Speaker 4>It felt it felt as though it felt as though
<v Speaker 4>this thing was I don't know it just felt like
<v Speaker 4>it was asking questions, but it was. It was confusing
<v Speaker 4>to me because I'm thinking all these things. It reminded me.
<v Speaker 4>It reminded me of a head on car collision that
<v Speaker 4>that I experienced several years ago, and the same thoughts,
<v Speaker 4>the same feelings. In that moment in time during the
<v Speaker 4>head on car collision, I found myself doing extraordinary physics calculations.
<v Speaker 4>I graduated from Central Michigan. I'm a reader. I love reading.
<v Speaker 4>Knowledge is power and learning is everything. But mathematics wasn't
<v Speaker 4>my strong suit. Reading was philosophy, literature, those were my
<v Speaker 4>strong suits. Speaking, that's my strong suit, not mathematics. But
<v Speaker 4>in that correlation that I'm making with the car accident,
<v Speaker 4>I found myself calculating the time to distance, the space,
<v Speaker 4>and how I was going to survive this car crash
<v Speaker 4>all in a split in a split second, and sure enough,
<v Speaker 4>during that incident, thing went black like your computer screen
<v Speaker 4>goes black. And at that point I thought I was dead.
<v Speaker 4>But I sustained some pretty severe injuries during that thing,
<v Speaker 4>but I survived. But getting back to that bigfoot encounter
<v Speaker 4>experience and stuff, that's the same kind of feeling that
<v Speaker 4>I had, you know, doing all these calculations, these these thoughts,
<v Speaker 4>these I was thinking about how I felt. I felt,
<v Speaker 4>I felt fatigued, drained. I felt as though this individual
<v Speaker 4>was whoever it was, whatever it was, it was very
<v Speaker 4>very powerful, and that it was sucking the energy right
<v Speaker 4>out of me. And for a moment I thought about
<v Speaker 4>I thought about, this is exactly what people talk about,
<v Speaker 4>and they talk about infrasound, how they how these people
<v Speaker 4>go missing. This is exactly how it happens. They put
<v Speaker 4>people to sleep, and then who knows what else happens.
<v Speaker 3>But that's what I felt.
<v Speaker 2>And the only relief that I felt from that, that.
<v Speaker 4>Overwhelming sense of of danger was my thought, my fleeting
<v Speaker 4>thought of free will. It's free will is a gift
<v Speaker 4>from God that gives, that gives, that's given to everybody
<v Speaker 4>that's born. The moment you're born, you're given that gift
<v Speaker 4>free will. Miguel, I'm telling you, the moment that I
<v Speaker 4>thought of free will is the moment that I felt
<v Speaker 4>the cessation of that that oppression that I felt, And
<v Speaker 4>I told my partner at that time, I says, we
<v Speaker 4>got to leave, we got to go now. And he
<v Speaker 4>might have wanted me to explain what the hurry was
<v Speaker 4>I says, we got to leave. I'm not going to
<v Speaker 4>sit here and talk about this right now.
<v Speaker 3>We got to leave.
<v Speaker 2>I mean right now, no talk.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to talk about anything.
<v Speaker 2>I just want to leave now. And that's what we did.
<v Speaker 4>We got out of the tree lane, we stepped into
<v Speaker 4>a large agricultural field, and at that point we look
<v Speaker 4>down we see a large foot impression. We measured it.
<v Speaker 4>I got photos of it, and it measured seventeen and
<v Speaker 4>a half inches. Seventeen and a half inches multiplied by
<v Speaker 4>six point five. You take the answer and divide that
<v Speaker 4>by twelve inches per food and that'll give you a
<v Speaker 4>pretty good estimate of how how tall the individual was
<v Speaker 4>that left that track. And I'm going to tell you something.
<v Speaker 4>And I told Bob this. When we were outside that
<v Speaker 4>tree lane on the way home, all I wanted to
<v Speaker 4>do at that point was I wanted Bond to dropped
<v Speaker 4>me back off at my car.
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to go home. I've had enough, you know.
<v Speaker 4>Let me think about what I've just seen and let
<v Speaker 4>me let me figure out whether or not I captured
<v Speaker 4>what I seen on photo. And so the first thing
<v Speaker 4>that I did, but when he dropped me off at
<v Speaker 4>the car. I didn't want to talk anything. I didn't
<v Speaker 4>want to talk about any anything. I didn't want to
<v Speaker 4>talk to Bob. I just give me, give me back
<v Speaker 4>to my car. That's all I want to do. He
<v Speaker 4>got me back to the car. I stopped at a McDonald's.
<v Speaker 4>He got a cheeseburger. Out of all things, I had
<v Speaker 4>to get a cheeseburger. And I never understood why, why
<v Speaker 4>after seeing something like that that I had to have
<v Speaker 4>a cheeseburger. And then it dawned on me. You see,
<v Speaker 4>when a mother, when a mother breastfeeds a child, it's
<v Speaker 4>a chemical in the dairy, or not the dairy, but
<v Speaker 4>the milk that allows the child to calm down. It
<v Speaker 4>has a common effect on that child. And so I
<v Speaker 4>surmise that it's probably something within the dairy, the cheese
<v Speaker 4>that I needed to calm down a little bit and
<v Speaker 4>think about what I just seen. I get home that night,
<v Speaker 4>probably eleven o'clock, eleven thirty. I'm more than fifty miles
<v Speaker 4>away from that state park, and the first thing I
<v Speaker 4>did was pop the memory card from the camera, plug
<v Speaker 4>it into the computer, and upload those photos. And oh,
<v Speaker 4>my gosh.
<v Speaker 3>There it is. Exactly what I seen.
<v Speaker 4>I got on the phone. I called Bob. I said,
<v Speaker 4>you're not going to believe this. You're not going to
<v Speaker 4>believe what I what I got on this photo. So
<v Speaker 4>that was July nineteenth, twenty fourteen, almost exactly two years
<v Speaker 4>to the day that I retired, that this occurred.
<v Speaker 1>So I.
<v Speaker 4>At that point I started looking at bigfoot as a real,
<v Speaker 4>you know, a real individual to this day, and I research,
<v Speaker 4>I read, and to this day I had the largest
<v Speaker 4>Michigan Bigfoot database in the state with two and sixty
<v Speaker 4>sixty two reports. And not only that, but I created
<v Speaker 4>four additional databases, bigfoot databases from across the US and Canada.
<v Speaker 4>And it's you know, I sit back and have profile sasquatch.
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you the dates and the times, the path
<v Speaker 4>that these creatures follow, and these creatures from my understanding,
<v Speaker 4>from my learning, from my research, I'll tell you the
<v Speaker 4>bigfoot sasquatches. I don't call them sab I don't call them.
<v Speaker 4>I don't call them wild. What do they call it?
<v Speaker 4>Some people call them wild men, some people call them
<v Speaker 4>forest people. They're big foot sasquatus period. They're not human,
<v Speaker 4>they're not primary There's something in between like an enigma.
<v Speaker 4>But they're very real, and there's lots of them.
<v Speaker 3>And so.
<v Speaker 4>You know, in my journey, in my travels, I've done
<v Speaker 4>a lot of conferences, a lot of public speaking, I've
<v Speaker 4>done a lot of podcasts, and I'll tell you, I'll
<v Speaker 4>tell you that these are creatures of habit long before
<v Speaker 4>you and me stood foot on this terra firma, this
<v Speaker 4>ground that we step on. Sasquatches walk the same ground.
<v Speaker 4>They know this ground. It's in their DNA, it's in there,
<v Speaker 4>it's in their body. They know this area. So some
<v Speaker 4>people complain, some people trolls and people that want to
<v Speaker 4>mock and make fun. They don't understand the bigfoot Sasquatch history,
<v Speaker 4>but they want to mock. And they don't get it
<v Speaker 4>in their head that big books, uh Sasquatches don't show up.
<v Speaker 4>Why don't they show up in inner cities? Why don't
<v Speaker 4>they show up in big cities?
<v Speaker 3>They do.
<v Speaker 4>You don't see them. They certainly do, and they make
<v Speaker 4>their presence known, and a lot of suburban, well developed
<v Speaker 4>communities they do. And they and you know, a lot
<v Speaker 4>of times they will follow these railroad tracks, they'll follow
<v Speaker 4>they'll follow utility lines, these these uh, these areas. They're
<v Speaker 4>linear thinkers. I'm a linear thinker. You know, you you
<v Speaker 4>have a problem and you try to solve it, You
<v Speaker 4>try to find ways to solve it and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Wolves are linear thinkers. They follow linear paths.
<v Speaker 4>That is why if that is not true, how do
<v Speaker 4>we explain that? How why sasquatch bigfoot sasquatches like to
<v Speaker 4>follow interstates Those are usually typically straight lines, and they'll
<v Speaker 4>parallel these major roadways. That is why a lot of
<v Speaker 4>motorists report sasquatch crossings, whether it's expressways or roads. That's
<v Speaker 4>what they do, that's their nature, and they'll go to
<v Speaker 4>places that they're familiar with. You look at all these
<v Speaker 4>reports across the state, across the country. I don't care
<v Speaker 4>if it's Canada, I don't care if it's United States,
<v Speaker 4>I don't care if it's any other country in this world.
<v Speaker 4>If there's been a bigfoot sasquatch report someplace somewhere out there,
<v Speaker 4>chances are, chances are very good there's going to be
<v Speaker 4>other reports there. Whether it's six months later, whether it's
<v Speaker 4>a year later, whether it's two years later, they'll be back.
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like you.
<v Speaker 4>Explain that the same way that you explain how the birds,
<v Speaker 4>how birds and butterflies know when it's time to head
<v Speaker 4>down south, and how do they know to get back
<v Speaker 4>here when it's warmer weather. There's a lot of a
<v Speaker 4>lot of things to learn about this. But all of
<v Speaker 4>this stuff Miguel comes with comes with its own hazards.
<v Speaker 4>I've received threats about this. Idiots, you know, threatened to
<v Speaker 4>break my legs if I don't if I don't share
<v Speaker 4>this and put this on social media and stuff like
<v Speaker 4>that so somebody else can come along and write a
<v Speaker 4>book and make a profit of it. It's all about money.
<v Speaker 4>This is all a big industry to people. But you know,
<v Speaker 4>four computers, four computers, three hard drives later, I can
<v Speaker 4>tell you when you get into this stuff, it's costly.
<v Speaker 4>It's very costly. And that's what I got to say.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thank you very much for sharing your
<v Speaker 1>encounters and experiences and the research that you've done in
<v Speaker 1>the past. And I want to thank you for the
<v Speaker 1>work you did in law enforcement and putting your life
<v Speaker 1>on the line and taking the time to help other
<v Speaker 1>people out, and you know, helping that woman find her son.
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, Miguel, for me A lot of this
<v Speaker 4>was a lot of what I did was self redemption.
<v Speaker 4>I'm you know, we were we were born as as
<v Speaker 4>perfect beings. But myself, I don't. I don't see myself
<v Speaker 4>as a perfect bean. I see myself as an imperfect
<v Speaker 4>man in an imperfect world trying to do good for people.
<v Speaker 4>And I found it self redeeming to help people like this,
<v Speaker 4>people that need help.
<v Speaker 2>You need to.
<v Speaker 4>Help people, and you need to be kind to people.
<v Speaker 4>Not everybody out there is is the Boogeyman, and not
<v Speaker 4>everybody out there as a bad person. And when I
<v Speaker 4>when I.
<v Speaker 3>Went about my my.
<v Speaker 2>Ways to do what I do, I do it with the.
<v Speaker 4>Sense of pain and forward. You know, you you plant
<v Speaker 4>that seed of goodness with people and hopefully somewhere down
<v Speaker 4>the line they take that seed and they cultivate it
<v Speaker 4>and they do something for they do some good for
<v Speaker 4>other people. And that's how you change things. That is
<v Speaker 4>how you change things. So, before I leave here today,
<v Speaker 4>if you would allow me to just plug my group
<v Speaker 4>site where people can get in touch with me or
<v Speaker 4>talk to me, or even if they're from Michigan, they
<v Speaker 4>have some Michigan Bigfoot reports that they'd like to share.
<v Speaker 4>I can be found at Michigan Bigfoot Reports and Data
<v Speaker 4>Gumshoe Guy's Corner. Gumshoe guy is a word in police parlance.
<v Speaker 4>It means a private detective. Gumshoo guy. Gumshoe guy is
<v Speaker 4>the private investigator who years ago, before computers, before cell
<v Speaker 4>phones and pagers and everything else. This was the individual
<v Speaker 4>that had to go out and walk around and talk
<v Speaker 4>to people, not on doors and talk to people, and
<v Speaker 4>his worth was measured by the gum stuck on the
<v Speaker 4>soles of his shoes. And that's where the name gumshoe
<v Speaker 4>guy comes from.
<v Speaker 1>So okay, I appreciate you for sharing that. Let's dive
<v Speaker 1>into your bigfoot encounter and I want to find out
<v Speaker 1>more details about what you've seen and experienced. What did
<v Speaker 1>this creature look like? Can you describe the facial features,
<v Speaker 1>about how tall it was, and anything else you can
<v Speaker 1>think of.
<v Speaker 4>This individual was about nine foot tall nine foot tall,
<v Speaker 4>and it was on the side of a tree, and
<v Speaker 4>the tree next to this individual was a second individual
<v Speaker 4>who was all blonde, blonde hair, blond, shaggy hair, and
<v Speaker 4>it seemed I could see it, but I couldn't capture
<v Speaker 4>it in the in the photo. It seemed like it
<v Speaker 4>seemed like it was disinterested in me, disinterested in my
<v Speaker 4>partner down there, but it was looking off into another direction.
<v Speaker 4>It had red lips, so it was very hairy, blonde hair.
<v Speaker 4>The individual that I seen that I had contact with
<v Speaker 4>was very brown, brown haired, like deer fur. And the
<v Speaker 4>color probably, I say the color was close to that
<v Speaker 4>of those work carhard coats and jackets and stuff. The
<v Speaker 4>same color was almost a reddish color, brown reddish color.
<v Speaker 4>The face itself had very little hair, more human than
<v Speaker 4>it looked animal, being that it had very very sparse
<v Speaker 4>hair on the face as I recall.
<v Speaker 3>And.
<v Speaker 4>The legs, the ankles, the stomach, the arms, Harry just
<v Speaker 4>as Harry is, you know, is the chest and stuff.
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned that the face I remember distinctly remember the
<v Speaker 4>face because it almost had a pink texture to it,
<v Speaker 4>like like pink or white. If you see out here,
<v Speaker 4>anywhere out here, you see a red haired person, they
<v Speaker 4>almost have a pink complexion, not really a white complexion,
<v Speaker 4>but a pink complexion, and that's a red complexion. That's
<v Speaker 4>what I noticed about the Sasquatch. Very human in features,
<v Speaker 4>but the height was extraordinary for something that I've seen
<v Speaker 4>you just don't see human beings that tall, walking around
<v Speaker 4>that hairy at that time of the season, you know,
<v Speaker 4>very very hot, very human. But at no time did
<v Speaker 4>I ever hear any vocals. There was no vocalizations to this.
<v Speaker 3>One other thing that I would add to this was the.
<v Speaker 4>Photos that I took. I only captured two photos. The
<v Speaker 4>photo went to the UK and came back to me
<v Speaker 4>with circled individuals on the ground, and they pointed out
<v Speaker 4>that there were at least four or five others on
<v Speaker 4>the ground all around us that I wasn't aware of,
<v Speaker 4>that I did not see.
<v Speaker 2>So we walked into.
<v Speaker 4>A into a into a nest of at least five
<v Speaker 4>or six sasquatches. We didn't even know it. I mean
<v Speaker 4>to me, when I'm out there in the woods, I'm
<v Speaker 4>looking in the trees, I'm looking on the ground, I'm
<v Speaker 4>looking around. I mean, I understand my eyes, your eyes,
<v Speaker 4>everybody's eyes are like cameras. They're constantly taking pictures. But
<v Speaker 4>it's up to us to process what we see in
<v Speaker 4>that moment of blinking. And when I when I got
<v Speaker 4>that photo back from from the UK, identifying these other
<v Speaker 4>individuals on the ground all around us, I understood where
<v Speaker 4>the confusion was that I mentioned earlier in this interview,
<v Speaker 4>and the confusion I'll explain, like this is if you
<v Speaker 4>or me and I live in the city, so sidewalks
<v Speaker 4>are right here, right in front of me, I see
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people. If I see a group of
<v Speaker 4>people strangers gathered on the sidewalk and I approached them
<v Speaker 4>and I hang around with them in the middle of
<v Speaker 4>their group, naturally their response is going to be who
<v Speaker 4>are you, you know, where'd you come from?
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing? Blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 4>But for me, in that moment in time July nineteenth,
<v Speaker 4>twenty fourteen, in that evening hour, it was as though
<v Speaker 4>I had all these voices talking, talking at me, not
<v Speaker 4>with me, but at me at the same time, wanting
<v Speaker 4>to know who I was, what I was doing there,
<v Speaker 4>that sort of thing. And now with with the with
<v Speaker 4>that photo that came back from the UK pointing.
<v Speaker 3>Out these I'm very clearly pointing.
<v Speaker 4>Out these other individuals, it makes sense to me, you know,
<v Speaker 4>I understand where that was coming from, what it was, so.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>My only other addendum to the report is that I never.
<v Speaker 4>Knew before this this was a state park in Michigan.
<v Speaker 4>There's there's state parks and national forests because of the
<v Speaker 4>the world that we live in today. Miguel I would
<v Speaker 4>say this, and this is from me, this is my opinion.
<v Speaker 3>This is me speaking.
<v Speaker 4>People think when they go out to these places, these
<v Speaker 4>state parks and these national forests, that they're anonymous in
<v Speaker 4>private and nobody knows them, nobody sees them. They might
<v Speaker 4>go out there and they might piss in the woods
<v Speaker 4>or whatever they do, trash up the place. There are
<v Speaker 4>surveillance cameras all around in the forest.
<v Speaker 2>Believe that. Believe it.
<v Speaker 4>When you walk into those places, you're told, you're told
<v Speaker 4>to put a pass on your vehicle.
<v Speaker 2>That's a reason. There's a reason for that, and you're
<v Speaker 2>under surveillance.
<v Speaker 4>When you walk in. You think that that's remote, it's not.
<v Speaker 4>It's not that remote. You're under surveillance. You've got authority.
<v Speaker 4>There's authority in the woods, just like there's authority on
<v Speaker 4>the streets, in the roads that you drive on. And
<v Speaker 4>you're being monitored all the time. You're being watched.
<v Speaker 3>So where am I going with this?
<v Speaker 2>If if you take.
<v Speaker 4>A small part of what I'm talking about here today
<v Speaker 4>with you and internalize what I'm telling you, there's no
<v Speaker 4>way that anybody can.
<v Speaker 3>Tell you.
<v Speaker 4>Of authority that bigfoot sasquatches don't exist. They know they exist.
<v Speaker 4>They know they exist because they have cameras all over
<v Speaker 4>the place, and they see it just like you and
<v Speaker 4>I would see it.
<v Speaker 3>They see it.
<v Speaker 4>And what they will not admit to you or anybody
<v Speaker 4>else is that they talk about it on different channels,
<v Speaker 4>radio channels, frequencies and stuff that you and I can't
<v Speaker 4>can't hear. They see it, they know it, they know
<v Speaker 4>it's real, but they cannot.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about it. It's island.
<v Speaker 4>So I think one experience I had UH in this
<v Speaker 4>same state park that I had this encounter in we
<v Speaker 4>were out hiking with a group.
<v Speaker 3>And we just happened to step out of the UH,
<v Speaker 3>out of the trailhead.
<v Speaker 4>Onto the road where our cars were parked, their trucks
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, and I happened to see a state vehicle
<v Speaker 4>employees who had stopped their.
<v Speaker 2>Vehicle on the road. Got it.
<v Speaker 4>They were out of their vehicles and they were bent
<v Speaker 4>over writing down license plates. And I walked up behind
<v Speaker 4>them and I asked him, I said, to find what
<v Speaker 4>you needed.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 4>Shamefully they turned they were they were embarrassed. And they said, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>they were told to come out.
<v Speaker 3>Whenever and whenever.
<v Speaker 4>They seen vehicles out there in the state parks and
<v Speaker 4>forests and stuff to grab the license plates.
<v Speaker 3>They want to know who's out there.
<v Speaker 2>That happens. I've got reports.
<v Speaker 4>I've got reports of before the state went from monologue
<v Speaker 4>or analog to digital, there were witnesses that were capturing
<v Speaker 4>listening to the police scanners picking up the being our
<v Speaker 4>people chit chatting back and forth, and the sheriffs, the
<v Speaker 4>different sheriff's departments and stuff around, and they would talk about,
<v Speaker 4>you know, so and so seen a gray sasquatch. Some
<v Speaker 4>lady reported that gray sasquatch scared her. She's seen it
<v Speaker 4>walking across the trailhead carrying a deer on its shoulder.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, the farmer over there on such and such
<v Speaker 4>road is fit to be tied. He wants dnar over
<v Speaker 4>there because he found sixth gear with their head torn off,
<v Speaker 4>stacked up, and he just swears and it's a poacher
<v Speaker 4>doing this kind of stuff, and he's upset. He wants
<v Speaker 4>to talk to somebody.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 4>This is the kind of reports that I get that
<v Speaker 4>we got before they switch from analog to digital digital
<v Speaker 4>is a little different now, a little harder to scan
<v Speaker 4>and monitor. There is a report in Upper Michigan of
<v Speaker 4>a family that had property between two adjoining sections of
<v Speaker 4>a national forest, almost like a cul de sac if
<v Speaker 4>you can envision that if a summer day, they were
<v Speaker 4>sitting on a picnic table, they had a friend over
<v Speaker 4>and out of nowhere, they said, they hear crashing, grunts
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, thumping and heavy footfalls and stuff. They turn
<v Speaker 4>and look and they see a large black sasquatch running
<v Speaker 4>through the tree line across their lawn to the next
<v Speaker 4>tree line on the other side of their property into
<v Speaker 4>the woods, and away it runs, and they can hear
<v Speaker 4>the trees cracking and breaking as they go. Moments later,
<v Speaker 4>they said, they reported that there was a large Odie Green,
<v Speaker 4>unmarked helicopter in hot pursuit following this thing, so low
<v Speaker 4>that they said that they thought it was going to
<v Speaker 4>land under garage. These are the kind of reports that
<v Speaker 4>I see.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very interesting. So getting back to your bigfoot encounter,
<v Speaker 1>did you see the creatures prior to taking the photo,
<v Speaker 1>like you witnessed it with your own eyes?
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, okay, And that's the reason why, that's what
<v Speaker 4>motivated me to snap the picture. But I had the
<v Speaker 4>fen feen myself is not seeing it, and then that's
<v Speaker 4>what motivated me to to load the camera up, get
<v Speaker 4>it set and ready and turn around quickly and do
<v Speaker 4>that one hundred and eighty degree or sweep and snap
<v Speaker 4>the pictures and stuff. Otherwise I wouldn't have got it,
<v Speaker 4>because you know, there's they're so well and they're so
<v Speaker 4>well adapted to standing behind trees and stuff, you'd never
<v Speaker 4>see them, yeah, you know with everything else out there.
<v Speaker 1>But what did the eyes look like?
<v Speaker 2>Just eye sockets?
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't.
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't tell you the color of the eyes. You
<v Speaker 4>see the eye sockets and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>You see. You see those.
<v Speaker 4>Two holes pointing at you. You know that they're looking
<v Speaker 4>at you and I see them.
<v Speaker 1>Were they round or were they black?
<v Speaker 3>Well?
<v Speaker 4>You see dark you sing, you see the dark sockets
<v Speaker 4>where the eyes are. But that's what I seen. That's
<v Speaker 4>as close as I wanted to get to it, because,
<v Speaker 4>like I said.
<v Speaker 1>And how far away did you say they were?
<v Speaker 3>I would say, I would say about from where I was.
<v Speaker 3>I would say.
<v Speaker 4>Somewhere in the area of thirty forty fifty feet.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And did you feel like you were in danger
<v Speaker 1>whenever you encountered them.
<v Speaker 4>Well, my first response was what they f And then
<v Speaker 4>I tried to provoke it because I thought I thought,
<v Speaker 4>you know, for a fleeting moment, I thought it was
<v Speaker 4>somebody with a guillon or something.
<v Speaker 2>And I tried to provoke it and get.
<v Speaker 4>A response and see a crack in a know, I
<v Speaker 4>wanted to see it crack a smile or something.
<v Speaker 3>But what they af Are you kidding me already? You
<v Speaker 3>freak you? Is what I called it.
<v Speaker 4>I said, you freak, you freak And it was just
<v Speaker 4>that dead pan stare, no emotion, nothing but these these
<v Speaker 4>confusing thoughts and stuff. You know, We're just we're just
<v Speaker 4>beaming out there. So judging the size, judging my inexperience
<v Speaker 4>with something like that at the time, I didn't know
<v Speaker 4>what they're going to do, but I didn't want to
<v Speaker 4>see it come down off that tree. It was it
<v Speaker 4>was like probably, I would say, Miguel, it was probably
<v Speaker 4>if I had to gas, I would say it was
<v Speaker 4>probably ten thirteen feet off the ground on the side
<v Speaker 4>of that tree.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it was in the tree, oh yeah, or
<v Speaker 1>up in the.
<v Speaker 2>Tree tree yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if it was coming down or
<v Speaker 4>going up, but there was another one up in the tree.
<v Speaker 4>So I am I am just deducing that that it
<v Speaker 4>was coming down the tree.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I didn't know.
<v Speaker 4>But I'll tell you this, I walk away from that
<v Speaker 4>that encounter with a little more respect for that being
<v Speaker 4>because as a chess player, I suck at poker. I played,
<v Speaker 4>I played chess. I'm all about strategy. And for the
<v Speaker 4>fact that that I was able to walk away from
<v Speaker 4>that that encounter unmolested. You hear what I say, unmolested,
<v Speaker 4>not attacked, that assaulted shows me a great deal of respect. Really, seriously.
<v Speaker 3>Uh, in my.
<v Speaker 4>Studies, in my research into the laws of war, the
<v Speaker 4>art of war Junxus, it's a reciprocal respect that one
<v Speaker 4>warrior has to another, and that is allowing that person
<v Speaker 4>to pass, allowing that person to leave without and I'm
<v Speaker 4>talking about.
<v Speaker 2>The weaker person. Me.
<v Speaker 4>I'm the weaker person to leave unmolested, you know, unharmed
<v Speaker 4>and stuff. So for me, in my mind, you know,
<v Speaker 4>that's that shows respect. And you know I give respect
<v Speaker 4>when I get respect.
<v Speaker 2>And.
<v Speaker 3>That's you know, that's the way I look at this thing.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 4>You know, I've heard people, I've heard people say, oh,
<v Speaker 4>that was a piece of wood, and that was and
<v Speaker 4>that was that. Well, you're sitting in your basement and
<v Speaker 4>you're looking at these things, you're looking at these pictures.
<v Speaker 2>I was there.
<v Speaker 3>You weren't there.
<v Speaker 4>You know, you know, you don't know what's in my heart.
<v Speaker 4>I know what's in my heart, I know what's in
<v Speaker 4>my thoughts. Until you until another person experiences that moment
<v Speaker 4>in time, it's very difficult for them to critique harshly. Now,
<v Speaker 4>on the other hand, I've read someplace where somebody, you know,
<v Speaker 4>somebody said, well, I had twenty six sightings. Well my
<v Speaker 4>response to that is, you know, I eat blowney sandwiches too,
<v Speaker 4>and I love blooney, and I know my blooning. But
<v Speaker 4>I had one bite of that apple, and I don't
<v Speaker 4>need another to tell you that, you know, to tell
<v Speaker 4>you that that that's a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what it is.
<v Speaker 2>Do I want to see another one?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 4>Not necessarily no. But for anybody that hasn't seen one,
<v Speaker 4>that may see one, or that that has seen one
<v Speaker 4>for the first time, I would say, have somebody with you,
<v Speaker 4>have somebody with you, somebody that can support you and
<v Speaker 4>and talk you through these things, because to see one
<v Speaker 4>for the first time like that, like I did, you
<v Speaker 4>go through a lot of changes, and reality hurts when
<v Speaker 4>it when it comes crashing down on you like that,
<v Speaker 4>it's it's it's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'll certainly change your life and your perspective on
<v Speaker 1>the things going on around you.
<v Speaker 2>It does.
<v Speaker 4>And for that matter, when I told you that I
<v Speaker 4>that I had built for databases into this.
<v Speaker 2>I look at the good, the bad, the.
<v Speaker 3>Ugly about sasquatch, and I'll tell.
<v Speaker 4>You, quite frankly, I don't buy into I don't buy
<v Speaker 4>into this feeding sasquatch blueberries and and getting back rubs
<v Speaker 4>and laughs and giggles like that, because I see I
<v Speaker 4>see with my own eyes hundreds of thousands of reports Magill,
<v Speaker 4>hundreds of thousands of reports. I see what they've done
<v Speaker 4>to people. I've seen what they've done to pets. I've
<v Speaker 4>seen what they've done to livestock. And the deeper you
<v Speaker 4>get into this, the more you get into thinking or
<v Speaker 4>even thinking about that.
<v Speaker 3>These things.
<v Speaker 4>They're not human, they come from someplace else. I've read
<v Speaker 4>authors who who write and theorize that these were beings
<v Speaker 4>from another planet and while I get into the topic.
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to sound I don't want to sound
<v Speaker 4>crazy here, but I hate to tell you there are
<v Speaker 4>there are lots and lots and lots of reports of
<v Speaker 4>UFOs and Sasquats together. I'm sorry, and I won't put
<v Speaker 4>that on my group site because I don't want the
<v Speaker 4>UFO UH community to take over and change the genre
<v Speaker 4>of my Facebook group site from bigfoot. But there is
<v Speaker 4>a lot, there's there's a lot of confluence connection and
<v Speaker 4>and connection to the UFOs, between the UFO and Sasquatch.
<v Speaker 4>There has to be there has to be something to it.
<v Speaker 4>When you got witnesses reporting seeing these crafts, some reporting
<v Speaker 4>seeing some reports say that they've seen these crafts low
<v Speaker 4>enough that they recognize the Sasquatch inside those those those
<v Speaker 4>those objects and UH and war and they might say
<v Speaker 4>that they they see the UH unidentified whatever it was,
<v Speaker 4>and then they see sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>These aren't coincidences. To me.
<v Speaker 4>There's no such thing as coincidence, no such thing as coincidence.
<v Speaker 4>Everything in this world, everything that we do, Miguel is purposeful,
<v Speaker 4>is purpose driven. We live in a purpose driven world.
<v Speaker 4>Everything that we see, every every contact that we make
<v Speaker 4>in our lifetime. There's a reason for it. We don't understand,
<v Speaker 4>we don't see it at that moment, but there's a
<v Speaker 4>reason for it. This is this is what a purpose
<v Speaker 4>driven world is, and that's what it is. We talk
<v Speaker 4>about bigfoots and today I mentioned about the numbers, the
<v Speaker 4>vast number of UFO connections with with Bigfoot. That's not
<v Speaker 4>a coincidence. I'll admit that there is.
<v Speaker 3>I don't, I don't.
<v Speaker 4>I don't get into that. But there's a lot of stuff.
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of stuff that that go on that
<v Speaker 4>you know, you don't talk about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and I agree with that.
<v Speaker 2>Not my specialty, it's not my interest.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there seems to be some type of correlation between Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal and aliens UFOs And yeah, Val, I think
<v Speaker 1>that pretty well covers your encounter story. And I really
<v Speaker 1>do appreciate you for being a guest on the channel.
<v Speaker 2>And well, you're welcome, Aga, Yeah, you're welcome. It has
<v Speaker 2>been a pleasure to me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I encourage people to check out your website
<v Speaker 1>to report their encounters into you and see where it
<v Speaker 1>goes from there.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Miguel. I want to say that
<v Speaker 2>on my behalf.
<v Speaker 4>I listened to your I listened to your your podcast,
<v Speaker 4>your YouTube and stuff, and it was very well put together,
<v Speaker 4>very good, very very professional.
<v Speaker 3>I was impressed by it.
<v Speaker 4>And I told you earlier in a private conversation that
<v Speaker 4>that I do.
<v Speaker 2>Know who your previous guest was. I do know them.
<v Speaker 2>They're a good friend of mine.
<v Speaker 3>And when.
<v Speaker 4>When he mentioned my group site on your show, I
<v Speaker 4>had lots of people contacting me privately. Now you were
<v Speaker 4>mentioned on this show, and you got to listen to this,
<v Speaker 4>and so I went there and I listened, and I
<v Speaker 4>just wondered myself, why didn't I see this before. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know who you were. I might have heard
<v Speaker 4>your name or seen it someplace.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm glad that I did. I'm glad that
<v Speaker 3>I did.
<v Speaker 2>It was very good.
<v Speaker 4>You have a very good show. And thank you very much, Miguel.
<v Speaker 4>It's been my pleasure to share what I've seen, what
<v Speaker 4>I know, what I feel, and hopefully we can do
<v Speaker 4>it again sometime.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it was a pleasure having you on the show.
<v Speaker 1>And if you ever experience or encounter anything else, feel
<v Speaker 1>free to reach back out to me and we can
<v Speaker 1>talk more about it.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, thank you very much.
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, you have an excellent day, and thank
<v Speaker 1>you so much for your time.
<v Speaker 3>Be safe, oye.
<v Speaker 1>All right, val thank you very much for sharing your
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot encounter with me and taking the time to explain
<v Speaker 1>the experience with me. The photo that you shared was
<v Speaker 1>a little blurry, and I do have standards on the
<v Speaker 1>channel and I'm really looking for some clear video footage
<v Speaker 1>and not so much pictures unless the thing's just standing
<v Speaker 1>right there. But I believe you nonetheless, and I certainly
<v Speaker 1>believe that you encountered something in the woods. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you investigated missing people, I wonder if
<v Speaker 1>there's a connection between the missing people and the bigfoot encounters.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure David Poliitis has talked to people, or excuse me,
<v Speaker 1>he has spoken with people in the past that have
<v Speaker 1>evidence of that, and I've seen some of his shows
<v Speaker 1>in the past, and it does seem like it because
<v Speaker 1>people were hearing like wood knocks and strange sounds and
<v Speaker 1>the sounds of like metal banging in the woods prior
<v Speaker 1>to the person disappearing. So that does make me believe
<v Speaker 1>that this phenomenon is certainly connected with missing people. So
<v Speaker 1>thank you. Very much for your service and law enforcement
<v Speaker 1>and your interest in the bigfoot subject. I hope your
<v Speaker 1>database works out well. And yeah, if you've had a
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot encounter in Michigan or anywhere in North America, certainly
<v Speaker 1>feel free to contact me and I'd love to hear
<v Speaker 1>about these experiences you had. But until the next one,
<v Speaker 1>thank you everyone for listening, and take care and be
<v Speaker 1>safe out there in the forest.