314 | Art of the Session: What Happens in the Lobby Matters Too
Play Therapy Podcast: A Master-Class in Child-Centered Play Therapy
In this episode of the Art of the Session summer series, I talk about one of the most overlooked parts of the CCPT process—our relationship with parents. While we spend most of our time and training focusing on the therapeutic relationship with the child, we often miss the weekly opportunity to build rapport, trust, and connection with the parents in the lobby. But those 10 to 15 minutes before and after sessions can make all the difference in client retention, parent satisfaction, and overall outcomes.
I share what it looks like to authentically engage with parents week after week—not as a formality, but as part of the therapeutic process. From appropriate self-disclosure to remembering the details of their lives, these micro-interactions build a sense of trust and care that parents carry with them. In fact, when they leave reviews, they rarely mention the clinical gains. They talk about how I made them feel—heard, supported, and understood. That's the power of relationship. And in CCPT, it applies to the entire family system.
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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Bratton, S. C., Landreth, G. L., Kellam, T., & Blackard, S. R. (2006). Child parent relationship therapy (CPRT) treatment manual: A 10-session filial therapy model for training parents. Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group. Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.
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0 00:00:00,469 --> 00:00:04,309 You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks, 1 00:00:04,469 --> 00:00:08,180 your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching. 2 00:00:08,510 --> 00:00:08,680 Hi, 3 00:00:08,789 --> 00:00:09,810 I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, 4 00:00:09,819 --> 00:00:10,550 The Kid Counselor. 5 00:00:10,670 --> 00:00:12,670 This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get 6 00:00:12,670 --> 00:00:15,109 a master class in child-centered play therapy 7 00:00:15,109 --> 00:00:17,319 and practical support and application for your 8 00:00:17,319 --> 00:00:19,000 work with children and their families. 9 00:00:19,629 --> 00:00:20,389 In today's episode, 10 00:00:20,469 --> 00:00:22,920 we are continuing the Art of the Session 11 00:00:23,309 --> 00:00:24,149 summer series. 12 00:00:24,979 --> 00:00:28,010 Last week we talked about setting up your playroom, 13 00:00:28,180 --> 00:00:30,889 and today we are talking about 14 00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:32,950 the relationship 15 00:00:33,220 --> 00:00:34,659 that is created 16 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:35,650 from 17 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:39,810 the time that your families walk through the door until they leave. 18 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,630 And so every week we have opportunities to 19 00:00:43,830 --> 00:00:46,599 facilitate that connection and that relationship 20 00:00:47,029 --> 00:00:50,900 and we'll talk about what that looks like and how to best 21 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:55,470 make sure that we are preserving and enhancing that communication, 22 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:57,259 connection and relationship. 23 00:00:57,930 --> 00:00:59,020 Before we get there, 24 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:01,119 I want to give you all an update 25 00:01:01,389 --> 00:01:02,790 in the way of an announcement. 26 00:01:03,029 --> 00:01:03,470 So, 27 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:04,860 July 7th. 28 00:01:05,838 --> 00:01:07,708 Shortly after 4th of July, 29 00:01:07,878 --> 00:01:10,228 so the Monday after 4th of July weekend, 30 00:01:10,478 --> 00:01:12,588 we are launching our CPRT course, 31 00:01:12,878 --> 00:01:17,109 and I know so many of you have been anxiously awaiting that launch. 32 00:01:17,558 --> 00:01:19,189 Wanted to let you know July 7th, 33 00:01:19,208 --> 00:01:21,948 it will be live and ready to go for you all. 34 00:01:22,198 --> 00:01:24,759 And as a thank you to those of you 35 00:01:24,759 --> 00:01:28,429 that are either email subscribers and or podcast listeners, 36 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:30,689 you will be receiving a code. 37 00:01:30,759 --> 00:01:30,988 I will. 38 00:01:31,279 --> 00:01:33,879 it on both the podcast and in the email newsletter, 39 00:01:34,199 --> 00:01:37,230 you will get a code for $100 off the course 40 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:38,629 for 10 days. 41 00:01:38,919 --> 00:01:41,660 So from July 7th through July 17th, 42 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,230 you all will have access to the course for $100 off. 43 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,959 So please take advantage of that. 44 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,319 It will give you 16 CEUs. 45 00:01:49,930 --> 00:01:51,349 And you will be able 46 00:01:51,639 --> 00:01:55,589 to get trained in the complete CPRT curriculum 47 00:01:55,879 --> 00:02:00,220 and then facilitate that with families and add it to your suite of services. 48 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,809 So launching July 7th, 49 00:02:01,919 --> 00:02:02,989 really excited about that. 50 00:02:03,029 --> 00:02:04,550 It's been a long time coming 51 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,270 and stay tuned for the code so that you can get $100 off. 52 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,630 If you want to check out the information about it in the meantime, 53 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,630 you can go to playtherapynow.com. 54 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:18,009 There'll be a countdown timer and then there'll be a video on there shortly 55 00:02:18,369 --> 00:02:21,649 talking about what is included in the course and and the 56 00:02:21,649 --> 00:02:24,479 content and things like that playtherapynow.com for more info. 57 00:02:25,009 --> 00:02:25,169 Alrighty, 58 00:02:25,330 --> 00:02:26,880 so let's talk about 59 00:02:27,570 --> 00:02:29,990 continuing in the Art of the Session summer series. 60 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:35,550 What does the process look like for connection and relationship with 61 00:02:35,770 --> 00:02:36,729 your families? 62 00:02:37,210 --> 00:02:38,919 Think of it this way, 63 00:02:39,449 --> 00:02:43,210 from the moment that they walk through the door of your office. 64 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:47,259 Until the moment they leave to go back to their vehicle. 65 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,660 You have that hour or so opportunity. 66 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:54,940 To pour into the relationships 67 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:56,259 as they're with you. 68 00:02:56,910 --> 00:02:58,720 And we talk all the time, 69 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:00,190 probably ad nauseam 70 00:03:00,979 --> 00:03:01,490 about 71 00:03:01,690 --> 00:03:04,399 the importance of the relationship with our client, 72 00:03:04,539 --> 00:03:05,210 our child. 73 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,970 And it's at the heart of everything we do. 74 00:03:08,029 --> 00:03:09,100 CCPT 75 00:03:09,929 --> 00:03:11,309 always comes back to the relationship. 76 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:11,949 We know this, 77 00:03:12,029 --> 00:03:13,059 we talk about this. 78 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:15,460 But the bulk of that relationship, 79 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:16,600 formation, 80 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:17,699 preservation, 81 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:18,190 maintenance, 82 00:03:18,270 --> 00:03:20,229 all of that is in the playroom. 83 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:26,279 And if we miss the opportunity to build relationships with parents 84 00:03:26,889 --> 00:03:28,559 while they're there with us, 85 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:30,779 we are going to struggle 86 00:03:31,089 --> 00:03:31,759 to 87 00:03:32,009 --> 00:03:32,960 maintain 88 00:03:33,289 --> 00:03:34,089 our clients, 89 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:35,380 we're going to struggle 90 00:03:35,580 --> 00:03:37,660 to have the outcomes that we want, 91 00:03:37,929 --> 00:03:40,279 the reviews that we would like to receive 92 00:03:40,570 --> 00:03:42,839 all of this is tied to the relationship. 93 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:44,919 So essentially you can think about it as 94 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:48,289 you have a 50 minute or however long your therapeutic hour is, 95 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:49,970 so 45 to 50 minute. 96 00:03:50,529 --> 00:03:51,970 Each week opportunity 97 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:54,800 to really pour into the relationship with your child. 98 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,320 And then you have a 10 to 15 minute window 99 00:03:58,630 --> 00:04:01,589 to really pour into the relationship with parents in the lobby. 100 00:04:01,949 --> 00:04:05,059 One of the things that I think gets missed more often than not 101 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:10,660 is when a family is participating in play therapy with us. 102 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:13,990 We have an opportunity to do life with them. 103 00:04:15,070 --> 00:04:17,470 We are invited into their lives. 104 00:04:17,630 --> 00:04:19,920 We are a small part of their family. 105 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:23,480 And we get to journey alongside them 106 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:28,399 as the child is working through their therapeutic path. 107 00:04:29,290 --> 00:04:31,760 It can never be just, 108 00:04:32,049 --> 00:04:32,339 hey, 109 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:33,209 how's it going? 110 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:33,730 OK, 111 00:04:33,809 --> 00:04:35,170 we'll be back in 50 minutes, 112 00:04:35,290 --> 00:04:35,880 bye, 113 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:37,480 and you take the kid back. 114 00:04:38,809 --> 00:04:40,000 That is not 115 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:41,470 the Art of the Session. 116 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:45,790 The Art of the Session is we build relationship 117 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,190 and connection and trust 118 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:49,170 and 119 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:50,600 rapport 120 00:04:50,850 --> 00:04:54,450 and bond and all of that with our child client, 121 00:04:54,489 --> 00:04:55,040 yes, 122 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,209 but also with our parents. 123 00:04:58,579 --> 00:04:59,510 Because 124 00:05:00,119 --> 00:05:01,480 if we just 125 00:05:02,619 --> 00:05:04,929 Communicate with them in such a way where it's like, 126 00:05:05,010 --> 00:05:05,380 OK, 127 00:05:05,579 --> 00:05:06,980 I'm gonna take your kid back now, 128 00:05:07,059 --> 00:05:08,010 see you in a little bit, 129 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:08,730 and then you say, 130 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:09,019 OK, 131 00:05:09,179 --> 00:05:10,130 see you next time. 132 00:05:10,820 --> 00:05:11,140 First of all, 133 00:05:11,179 --> 00:05:12,809 it's a lot of missed opportunity, 134 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:14,250 but second of all, 135 00:05:14,579 --> 00:05:18,450 the parent will never feel like they have formed a relationship with you. 136 00:05:19,929 --> 00:05:23,700 The only way that that takes place is in your consultations 137 00:05:24,130 --> 00:05:27,720 and in your every week lobby conversations. 138 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:29,950 When you 139 00:05:30,119 --> 00:05:31,609 are out with a family. 140 00:05:32,529 --> 00:05:34,730 You should be getting to know them. 141 00:05:35,299 --> 00:05:37,299 You should be chit chatting with them, 142 00:05:37,619 --> 00:05:39,570 you should know about their pets, 143 00:05:39,739 --> 00:05:43,309 you should know about where they're going or where they went on vacation. 144 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,160 You should know about their hobbies, 145 00:05:46,529 --> 00:05:49,049 you should know their friends and family's 146 00:05:49,049 --> 00:05:51,720 names that they reference in conversation frequently. 147 00:05:52,739 --> 00:05:54,130 And vice versa. 148 00:05:55,609 --> 00:06:00,040 You can appropriately self-disclose in conversation 149 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:03,059 things about you so that they get to know you, 150 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,000 not to an unnecessary degree, 151 00:06:05,209 --> 00:06:06,760 not to an inappropriate degree, 152 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:08,549 but when your family 153 00:06:08,739 --> 00:06:11,720 says we're gonna go on a cruise and you say, 154 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:12,290 oh my gosh, 155 00:06:12,329 --> 00:06:14,049 we just went on a cruise a couple months ago, 156 00:06:14,089 --> 00:06:18,290 it was amazing and then you chit chat about how much you love to cruise. 157 00:06:19,149 --> 00:06:23,589 That is appropriate self-disclosure relationship building communication. 158 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:26,640 When they talk about their pets 159 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:27,619 and you say, 160 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:28,269 oh my gosh, 161 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:29,170 I had a beagle. 162 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:30,420 I love beagles, 163 00:06:30,670 --> 00:06:31,179 and 164 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:33,459 then there's a connection made over 165 00:06:33,709 --> 00:06:40,380 the type of dog or they tell you about their hobby and they love to 166 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,660 play billiards and you say, 167 00:06:42,709 --> 00:06:43,260 oh my gosh, 168 00:06:43,309 --> 00:06:44,390 I'm really not good at pool, 169 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:46,440 but I like to play it and blah blah blah. 170 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:47,619 These are 171 00:06:47,829 --> 00:06:48,940 those really 172 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:50,309 fun. 173 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:55,119 Chit chat conversations that should fill every single week 174 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:56,970 when your families come in the lobby. 175 00:06:57,779 --> 00:07:01,290 Because you naturally get that opportunity in the play session with a kid. 176 00:07:02,059 --> 00:07:05,850 You're building rapport and bond and trust and relationship and connection 177 00:07:06,179 --> 00:07:08,769 every single week for 45 or 50 minutes. 178 00:07:09,260 --> 00:07:10,769 You have a much shorter window. 179 00:07:11,750 --> 00:07:12,779 When you're with parents, 180 00:07:13,589 --> 00:07:15,959 And I've said this several times in podcasts, 181 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:17,679 your parents are your customer. 182 00:07:18,579 --> 00:07:21,579 So if you're going to have any semblance of customer service, 183 00:07:21,989 --> 00:07:24,380 you have to attend to the parents. 184 00:07:24,630 --> 00:07:25,190 And I actually, 185 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:26,779 when I was speaking a while back, 186 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:28,820 I had someone in the audience say, 187 00:07:29,109 --> 00:07:29,540 well, 188 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:30,670 I like my clients, 189 00:07:30,750 --> 00:07:32,579 but sometimes I don't like my customers. 190 00:07:33,149 --> 00:07:33,429 OK, 191 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:34,579 that's an interesting take, 192 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:36,589 and I think a lot of therapists feel that way. 193 00:07:36,709 --> 00:07:36,910 Gosh, 194 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:39,109 if I could do this job and not have to interact with parents, 195 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,299 things would be so much better. 196 00:07:41,109 --> 00:07:41,910 It's a package deal, 197 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,350 y'all. 198 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:45,190 Kids don't drive themselves, 199 00:07:45,359 --> 00:07:46,450 kids don't pay for it, 200 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,470 kids don't refer other people to you, 201 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,519 kids don't leave you reviews. 202 00:07:51,690 --> 00:07:54,690 There's no way that we do this without parents. 203 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:55,929 We become a team. 204 00:07:56,649 --> 00:07:57,549 And I get it. 205 00:07:57,709 --> 00:08:01,149 Parents are sometimes difficult and parents are in crisis, 206 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,799 and you know the people that seem the hardest to love 207 00:08:03,799 --> 00:08:06,869 need love the most and sometimes parents are hard to love 208 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:08,910 because they're in 209 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,779 a really, 210 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:14,470 really rough spot emotionally or psychologically or mentally or whatever. 211 00:08:15,470 --> 00:08:19,459 So we have to honor the fact that it's not always easy 212 00:08:19,829 --> 00:08:20,940 to connect 213 00:08:21,109 --> 00:08:23,730 and build relationship and communication, 214 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:26,230 but that's one of our roles. 215 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:29,100 Because we need to recognize 216 00:08:29,269 --> 00:08:29,660 that 217 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:32,659 the closer that parents feel to us, 218 00:08:32,869 --> 00:08:34,419 the deeper the connection 219 00:08:34,669 --> 00:08:36,020 that they've formed, 220 00:08:36,510 --> 00:08:38,058 the less likely they are 221 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:39,140 to 222 00:08:39,630 --> 00:08:41,820 bail in the middle of treatment. 223 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:45,340 You will likely reduce your attrition. 224 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:45,710 I mean, 225 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:46,940 there are a lot of factors. 226 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:51,059 It's articulation and communication and helping them see the value 227 00:08:51,059 --> 00:08:54,460 and helping them see progress and it's not just relationship, 228 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:56,299 but a factor certainly is. 229 00:08:57,489 --> 00:08:59,650 The more your people like you, 230 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,169 and the more they feel connected to you, 231 00:09:02,260 --> 00:09:05,530 and the more they feel you've taken the time to get to know them 232 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:06,640 personally. 233 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:12,369 If they see you as just another professional that's working with their kid, 234 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,719 that is not the same thing as they feel like 235 00:09:15,950 --> 00:09:18,859 they personally know you and like you and trust you. 236 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:20,900 It's totally different. 237 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:25,039 So one of the major goals that we have 238 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,780 is to build relationship with 239 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,150 the parents as well. 240 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:29,859 Of course, 241 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:31,109 it comes with kids. 242 00:09:32,099 --> 00:09:34,280 But we're missing a huge portion 243 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,150 of the application of this work 244 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,710 if we miss out on the opportunity to connect with parents 245 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:41,630 and 246 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,090 one of the things that has really struck me 247 00:09:44,479 --> 00:09:46,960 is what people choose to write in 248 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,510 my reviews. 249 00:09:48,909 --> 00:09:50,719 So when someone leaves me a Google review. 250 00:09:52,030 --> 00:09:56,500 It's really interesting to me and this really sealed this concept for me. 251 00:09:57,469 --> 00:09:58,270 It is rare, 252 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,070 if ever, 253 00:09:59,719 --> 00:10:01,429 that a parent leaves a review 254 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,390 and talks about anything clinical in the review. 255 00:10:05,869 --> 00:10:07,500 They rarely talk about 256 00:10:07,669 --> 00:10:08,979 the child's improvement. 257 00:10:09,229 --> 00:10:10,859 They rarely talk about 258 00:10:10,969 --> 00:10:12,659 the issues getting resolved. 259 00:10:13,169 --> 00:10:15,880 They rarely talk about the presenting concerns 260 00:10:16,109 --> 00:10:19,419 and how over time they saw a reduction in those concerns. 261 00:10:19,669 --> 00:10:20,179 It's rare, 262 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:20,679 if ever, 263 00:10:20,909 --> 00:10:21,739 quite honestly, 264 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:24,770 that parents talk about the clinical aspect 265 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:26,219 of the work that I do 266 00:10:26,549 --> 00:10:27,159 when I'm 267 00:10:27,669 --> 00:10:28,669 a part of their family. 268 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,109 What they say 269 00:10:31,359 --> 00:10:32,109 is, 270 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,229 Brenna always took the time to listen. 271 00:10:34,599 --> 00:10:36,640 Brenna understood what was going on and 272 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,909 provided really helpful thoughts and advice. 273 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,989 Brenna always was able to connect and make us feel like she understood. 274 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,719 Brenna was able to. 275 00:10:46,669 --> 00:10:49,500 communicate with us in a way that really made us feel comfortable. 276 00:10:50,030 --> 00:10:51,900 It was all relational in nature. 277 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,419 And this shouldn't surprise us 278 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:57,059 because this is relationship-driven. 279 00:10:57,590 --> 00:11:01,979 Therapy specifically child-centered therapy because we're going back to Rogers, 280 00:11:02,309 --> 00:11:04,789 it's very much about the relationship. 281 00:11:05,809 --> 00:11:07,750 And this shouldn't surprise us at all, 282 00:11:08,119 --> 00:11:08,510 but 283 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,469 what people remember 284 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,880 is the experience tied to the emotion. 285 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:14,969 Therefore, 286 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:17,750 if every single time families come, 287 00:11:18,409 --> 00:11:20,039 they love being with you, 288 00:11:20,119 --> 00:11:24,190 they love being at your center or your practice or your agency or wherever. 289 00:11:24,479 --> 00:11:26,669 They love their conversations with you, 290 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,369 they love how they feel after they've had conversations with you. 291 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,349 They love how they feel when they leave. 292 00:11:32,469 --> 00:11:36,960 It's been an hour where it just uplifts them and it encourages them and it makes them. 293 00:11:37,049 --> 00:11:38,880 Feel that you care about them, 294 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,590 they remember that. 295 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,549 It's anchored to the experience and the emotion and what do you 296 00:11:44,549 --> 00:11:48,429 think's going to be what is taken with them long term? 297 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,349 Oh my gosh, 298 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,869 that was the best experience. 299 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,869 We loved her. 300 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,750 We loved him. 301 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:53,989 We loved going there. 302 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,830 We loved our time with them. 303 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,299 That's relationship. 304 00:11:58,739 --> 00:12:02,890 It sways away from my child quit getting in trouble at school. 305 00:12:03,619 --> 00:12:06,229 My child was less aggressive afterward. 306 00:12:06,539 --> 00:12:10,250 My child no longer was scared to sleep in their own bed. 307 00:12:11,239 --> 00:12:12,750 Was that the reason they came? 308 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,270 Yes. 309 00:12:13,479 --> 00:12:14,469 Was that important? 310 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:14,989 Yes. 311 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,010 Was it a noticed outcome? 312 00:12:17,119 --> 00:12:17,609 Of course, 313 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,950 or we wouldn't have terminated, 314 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,710 but noticed that that's not even the focus. 315 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,039 It completely shifts away from the clinical 316 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:26,229 and it becomes personal and relational. 317 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,039 That is only achieved when you take the 318 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:31,989 time to invest in relationship with your families. 319 00:12:33,239 --> 00:12:35,299 So we talked about setting up the playroom. 320 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:35,500 Look, 321 00:12:35,539 --> 00:12:36,210 you can't, 322 00:12:36,539 --> 00:12:40,270 you can't have any families come to you if you don't have a playroom ready to go. 323 00:12:40,659 --> 00:12:44,409 Now we're talking through what does the week to week 324 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:46,049 interaction look like 325 00:12:46,539 --> 00:12:48,409 because this is the next step. 326 00:12:48,859 --> 00:12:50,409 You get an hour each week 327 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,260 to have impact. 328 00:12:53,119 --> 00:12:54,669 What does that hour look like? 329 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:56,570 It can't all be clinically focused. 330 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,359 It can't all be child focused. 331 00:12:59,309 --> 00:13:00,799 So I hope that this encourages you. 332 00:13:00,859 --> 00:13:06,010 I hope that you have a different frame maybe or a different focus moving forward 333 00:13:06,450 --> 00:13:10,250 because this absolutely has to be for us to really 334 00:13:10,570 --> 00:13:11,890 be effective in our work. 335 00:13:12,099 --> 00:13:15,849 We have to be able to approach it with this mindset 336 00:13:16,179 --> 00:13:18,340 that the relationship with parents is just as 337 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:20,770 important as the relationship with our clients. 338 00:13:21,489 --> 00:13:21,859 All right y'all, 339 00:13:21,979 --> 00:13:22,460 I love you. 340 00:13:22,599 --> 00:13:23,570 It was great hanging out with you. 341 00:13:23,580 --> 00:13:24,419 We'll talk again soon. 342 00:13:24,580 --> 00:13:24,780 Bye. 343 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,599 Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. 344 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,700 Brenna Hicks. 345 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,869 For more episodes and resources, 346 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,710 please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.