Nintendo Switch 2 Rumored to Drop in May 2025

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<v Speaker 2>Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into,
<v Speaker 2>so let's start the Morning Mess with some rumors Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>switch to reveal and release timing. There's rumors about that,
<v Speaker 2>and also Kirby Planet Robobot getting a switch part. This
<v Speaker 2>is from Nintendo everything. More rumors have surfaced, not only
<v Speaker 2>regarding Nintendo switch tows reveal and release timing, but also
<v Speaker 2>the apparent port of Kirby Planet Robobot on Nintendo's current console.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of the alliteration in that sense. Today's
<v Speaker 2>speculation comes from the Nate the Hate podcast shout out
<v Speaker 2>to Nate. Nate Drake, whose name has been out there
<v Speaker 2>before with the Nintendo rumors and the industry as a
<v Speaker 2>whole held discussion pointing to a possible Nintendo switch to
<v Speaker 2>reveal between the second half of January and early February.
<v Speaker 2>Given that an announcement is expected by the end of
<v Speaker 2>the fiscal year ending March twenty twenty five, that's not
<v Speaker 2>too surprising. Nintendo's next financial results briefing is also planned
<v Speaker 2>for February fourth, so that seems to be the catalyst
<v Speaker 2>in this situation where it's like Nintendo probably wants to
<v Speaker 2>do something around that time, and that seems to be
<v Speaker 2>the chatter that he's hearing. Nate goes on to say
<v Speaker 2>that he's heard in an event will be held for
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo switch to in May. Now, this would be an
<v Speaker 2>event separate from the announcement happening with some sort of
<v Speaker 2>video or whatever, a blog post, however, they do it
<v Speaker 2>a live stream maybe, but not like an event, a
<v Speaker 2>launch event, a launch event. Maybe a launch event, because
<v Speaker 2>it does sound like this thing may come out in
<v Speaker 2>May or maybe June. So yeah, this event would be
<v Speaker 2>like here it is and now here it is a
<v Speaker 2>couple weeks later.
<v Speaker 1>Which.
<v Speaker 2>That sounds about as right as anything else to me, Mike,
<v Speaker 2>what about you?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, especially that you know late January February time frame
<v Speaker 5>for finally announcing this thing, that sounds right. Rumors are
<v Speaker 5>picking up, they've picked up before. But look, we have
<v Speaker 5>at least one real deadline here that it's had. Us
<v Speaker 5>said they are going to announce it before March thirty first,
<v Speaker 5>and you know that could that could mean they now
<v Speaker 5>said on March thirtieth. I assume they want to give
<v Speaker 5>themselves some some legal room. And like you said, they
<v Speaker 5>have that investor meeting.
<v Speaker 4>Now.
<v Speaker 5>They had that investor meeting a month or so ago
<v Speaker 5>and we all thought, oh, maybe they're going to announce
<v Speaker 5>it in October before this was after meeting and that
<v Speaker 5>came and went yep, right.
<v Speaker 4>You know it always seems shocking.
<v Speaker 5>How long it is taking for them to announce this thing,
<v Speaker 5>and yet it has to happen eventually.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's.
<v Speaker 2>You know, and they put a timeline on it themselves,
<v Speaker 2>so we know generally when it's gonna happen. I guess
<v Speaker 2>that's that's helpful that we're not sitting here going like,
<v Speaker 2>what are they excuse me, what are they doing that
<v Speaker 2>they are They do have a plan generally, and while
<v Speaker 2>they aren't sharing anything specific with us, we do know
<v Speaker 2>it'll happen before the end of March. So yeah, January February.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo has often done Nintendo directs around that time. I
<v Speaker 2>don't think this thing gets announced in Nintendo Direct, but
<v Speaker 2>I still think that they're used to putting stuff out
<v Speaker 2>around that time, so that would probably be comfortable for them.
<v Speaker 2>And then a big event that details all of the
<v Speaker 2>games and all the features and shows the hardware off
<v Speaker 2>every which way but loose, and then we you know,
<v Speaker 2>get the thing two three four weeks later, So either
<v Speaker 2>that's late May or early June again, sounds very plausible,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm hopeful for that because I was definitely at
<v Speaker 2>a point where it's like, as we were going through
<v Speaker 2>these a. You know, you mentioned the one, Hey are
<v Speaker 2>they gonna mention it? In that October financial briefing, and
<v Speaker 2>they'd mentioned that it's like, man, this thing might not
<v Speaker 2>come out to next holiday. But as as I've sort
<v Speaker 2>of settled down from that reaction, got on the other
<v Speaker 2>side of it, it's like, Okay, No, they could release
<v Speaker 2>this thing in late spring, early summer and it would
<v Speaker 2>be just fine.
<v Speaker 1>It would be very there'd be very little.
<v Speaker 2>Difference between the success that the Switch had at launch
<v Speaker 2>and the Switch to coming out not necessarily in late
<v Speaker 2>March early April, but may June. That yeah, that would
<v Speaker 2>be just fine. And then they could be ready building
<v Speaker 2>these things faster and faster as they get ready for
<v Speaker 2>that first holiday.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, getting ready for all the kids, fishing up school,
<v Speaker 5>getting all of as adults even more of a reason
<v Speaker 5>to not go outside this summer. That's fine.
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, you know, the exciting thing for me
<v Speaker 5>part of that too is like, okay, so like we're
<v Speaker 5>gonna announce the next Mario game, because I assume that's
<v Speaker 5>not going to get announced three weeks before the Switch
<v Speaker 5>Chuck comes out. That'll be announced. It's not right alongside
<v Speaker 5>the reveal of the switch shoe, which is what I
<v Speaker 5>would expect pretty shortly outdoors, maybe some other things about
<v Speaker 5>launch games. We'll find out what's going on with my
<v Speaker 5>Tripe Prime for which is probably at least a cross
<v Speaker 5>platform game there, right, Yep, there's got to be a
<v Speaker 5>couple of other interesting things, yep.
<v Speaker 1>Definitely.
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah to lo To, I sound like I'm related to
<v Speaker 4>Dorothy's dog.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's not the only rumor we have for the
<v Speaker 2>current Nintendo Switch. We're apparently getting a Kirby Planet Robobot
<v Speaker 2>Robobot port in twenty twenty five. Luigi's mentioned two HD,
<v Speaker 2>another game that was originally on Nintendo three D. Three
<v Speaker 2>DS received the same treatment a few months ago. It's
<v Speaker 2>unclear if Planet Robobot would be a fairly straightforward port
<v Speaker 2>in HD, or if extra content would be brought to
<v Speaker 2>the table. I gotta imagine that this would be would
<v Speaker 2>be a pretty straightforward thing, like they're probably not gonna
<v Speaker 2>put a ton of extra effort into these the late
<v Speaker 2>Switch games. They're going, yeah, no, it'd be awesome to
<v Speaker 2>have that on the Switch, but we're not trying to
<v Speaker 2>add a funky mode or anything.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you mean.
<v Speaker 5>It's like, you know what we're getting with Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 5>Country returns right, pretty straightforward. Yeah, this is interesting for
<v Speaker 5>a couple of thanks. First off, I think we got
<v Speaker 5>we got a sort of listener mail on one of
<v Speaker 5>our podcasts saying, so, what Kirby game is gonna be
<v Speaker 5>the last game to come out on a Nintendo console
<v Speaker 5>this time?
<v Speaker 4>Does happen a lot?
<v Speaker 5>I think at the time, we're like, they already released
<v Speaker 5>a lot of Kirby games on the Switch.
<v Speaker 1>Yes.
<v Speaker 5>The weird thing to me is that, so we got
<v Speaker 5>Returned to Dreamland. But then the next Kurby game after
<v Speaker 5>that was Triple Deluxe on the three DS. Then Planet
<v Speaker 5>Robobot a Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot or like sister games,
<v Speaker 5>they're very similar to a lot of ways. Plant Robobot
<v Speaker 5>is definitely more likes, but I like Triple Deluxe. So
<v Speaker 5>I'm a little sad to just see that completely skipped
<v Speaker 5>over here. You could even bundle those two games together
<v Speaker 5>if you wanted to. But Triple Dlux probably did a
<v Speaker 5>bit more with three D gimmicks, even though Planet Robbot
<v Speaker 5>had them too. Triple DeLux get it like three to
<v Speaker 5>three D. I guess, well it's called that. Yeah, yeah, I.
<v Speaker 2>Never played Triple Deluxe, And I was kind of like thinking,
<v Speaker 2>because you mentioned this before, and that the first game
<v Speaker 2>that they re released, theest part of that like trilogy,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they all use the same engine or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>like they probably will get the Triple Deluxe and put
<v Speaker 2>down on the switch and that't or maybe I'll switch
<v Speaker 2>to eventually, who knows.
<v Speaker 1>So I was looking forward to that. So I'm with you.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll play Planet Robobot for sure,
<v Speaker 2>of course, But I was looking forward to playing Triple Delecris.
<v Speaker 4>You know, way they'll do playing rob They'll go back
<v Speaker 4>to Triple Dolts.
<v Speaker 5>They seem more and more kind of especially now that
<v Speaker 5>we have this sort of modern platform where games are
<v Speaker 5>going to carry over, it seems important to them to
<v Speaker 5>get certain franchises to make sure all the important games
<v Speaker 5>are on these things. Are kind of making that point
<v Speaker 5>with Donkey Kong Country specifically, yep, releasing these Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 5>Land games and now returns on there.
<v Speaker 4>Right, They're able to say things like.
<v Speaker 5>Like all the Donkey Kong Country games ever are on
<v Speaker 5>the switch.
<v Speaker 4>Now.
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, hey, look, that's true if we just you know,
<v Speaker 5>count the games of the word country in the title
<v Speaker 5>Donkey Kong sixty four, you know, Donkey Kong ninety four.
<v Speaker 5>But whatever, sir, You know where we have a lot
<v Speaker 5>of Metro games, we have a lot of Zelda games.
<v Speaker 5>There's obviously ports missing there still, but I bet they're
<v Speaker 5>going to catch up.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I agree, all right, let's move along here.
<v Speaker 2>Upcoming portable grip zen Grip two might be the first
<v Speaker 2>official switch to peripheral. This is from Ryan Pirano at
<v Speaker 2>Game Ranks, reported by Universo Nintendo. A video game peripheral
<v Speaker 2>company called Satisfy has introduced a new product called the
<v Speaker 2>zen Grip two. Notably, they advertised the grip to be
<v Speaker 2>made for next gen.
<v Speaker 4>Consoles and what's next gen con right?
<v Speaker 2>And to be clear, like these the Satisfied grips are
<v Speaker 2>switch grips. They I've used one before, they sent me one.
<v Speaker 2>You just slide the switch in it like really locks
<v Speaker 2>in thinks to like some friction and it's nice. Now
<v Speaker 2>they're saying this thing is made for next gen consoles,
<v Speaker 2>it can only be switched to. Now, I think this
<v Speaker 2>thing is up for pre order and it's launching in
<v Speaker 2>like April or May of next year. It says Spring
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five on this website. Huh yes, Spring twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty five.
<v Speaker 1>So there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Now, these companies could just be trying to get ahead
<v Speaker 2>of the curve and don't necessarily know that much more.
<v Speaker 2>I think if you're building a bunch of stuff, you're
<v Speaker 2>building the machines to build to actually do the plastic
<v Speaker 2>injection mold required for all this, you probably have some
<v Speaker 2>idea of what this what the device is going to be, like,
<v Speaker 2>what the specifications are. If if you don't even like
<v Speaker 2>have like a dummy one sitting there that you could
<v Speaker 2>test out, I guess it's possible that they're just going
<v Speaker 2>off all like, well, all the other Chinese manufacturers are
<v Speaker 2>operating on these assumptions, and let's just get in on that.
<v Speaker 2>That's possible. But I think it's more likely that Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>has provided some sort of insight to a lot of
<v Speaker 2>these companies, not deep insight. Not Hey, here's what we're
<v Speaker 2>doing with the switch like switch to, Like here's all
<v Speaker 2>the details dimensions, but here are dimensions, and here's a
<v Speaker 2>general timeline of when things could happen. Here's when it
<v Speaker 2>would be good to have things ready by I bet
<v Speaker 2>they might even have that. So, uh, yeah, what else
<v Speaker 2>could this be?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm right, So like you can't just completely guess
<v Speaker 5>on this sort of thing, right, It's going to have
<v Speaker 5>to fit the product there and yeah, I mean this
<v Speaker 5>is just negatively that it is already Yeah, a grip
<v Speaker 5>case for the switch to. It's kind of wowed to
<v Speaker 5>see things like that before we've had an official reveal
<v Speaker 5>of the console here. But you know, I get people
<v Speaker 5>who are like so tired of hearing about switch To rumors,
<v Speaker 5>but you know, things are really ramping up now. And again,
<v Speaker 5>I don't think anyone's expecting it to be revealed in December,
<v Speaker 5>like nath de Hayle was saying, like late January, baby,
<v Speaker 5>early February. But I can't be excited, Jeff, I am
<v Speaker 5>ready for my switchhe I've been. My switch usage has
<v Speaker 5>fallen off a lot.
<v Speaker 4>Especially the second half of this year, and I.
<v Speaker 5>Just I kind of miss it, right, Like, I'm happy
<v Speaker 5>to playing my rog ally and all that stuff. I
<v Speaker 5>missed my switch, I missed those quality Nintendo games, and
<v Speaker 5>all the thing really does need is an update, and
<v Speaker 5>I'm excited to see what that update is going to
<v Speaker 5>look like.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you. I'm feeling the same way. That's why,
<v Speaker 2>you know, when I see little news stories like this,
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I hop on them, I include them.
<v Speaker 1>I do know a lot of people are you know,
<v Speaker 1>gobbling all this stuff up, but a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>do get sick of it.
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to this. You know, we do know
<v Speaker 2>based on well, I guess we don't know. The rumors
<v Speaker 2>are the switch to will be slightly bigger than the
<v Speaker 2>switch one, so this thing wouldn't fit the switch one,
<v Speaker 2>So them announcing it's definitely just getting out ahead and
<v Speaker 2>trying to ride a wave as it begins to crest.
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see how that plays out. We will probably
<v Speaker 2>find out more early next year. Uh Okay, how does
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft decide when Xbox games come to PlayStation?
<v Speaker 1>This is from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot.
<v Speaker 2>The newest big Xbox exclusive game, Indiana Jones in the
<v Speaker 2>Great Circle, is officially available for everyone today December ninth,
<v Speaker 2>That is, if you own an Xbox or a PC
<v Speaker 2>or subscribe to game Pass Ultimate. The Aventure game doesn't
<v Speaker 2>come to PlayStation five until Spring twenty twenty five. And
<v Speaker 2>a new interview, Xbox President of Game Content and Studios
<v Speaker 2>Matt Booty elaborated on Microsoft's decision making process when it
<v Speaker 2>comes to bring in Xbox games to rifle platforms. We
<v Speaker 2>are very much making the ex exclusivity and windowing decisions
<v Speaker 2>on a game by game basis, Booty told Variety, echoing
<v Speaker 2>comments he and other Xbox executives have made before on
<v Speaker 2>to say that each of Microsoft's and numerous studios are
<v Speaker 2>in a little bit of a different position, but he
<v Speaker 2>didn't elaborate about what this means as it relates to exclusivity.
<v Speaker 2>Beyond that, the decision on spacing when a game might
<v Speaker 2>come to a rifle platform after Xbox needs needs to
<v Speaker 2>also factor in production timelines.
<v Speaker 1>Booty said, we.
<v Speaker 2>Want to make sure there's a great experience for our
<v Speaker 2>Xbox players, and then the gap between when it becomes
<v Speaker 2>available on PlayStation is as much a production decision as
<v Speaker 2>it is anything else. This is a game that was
<v Speaker 2>the in production before we acquired Bethesda. Even Booty said
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft announced that what acquires any Max blah blah blah
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. Yeah, I mean it's kind of
<v Speaker 2>it is a lot of what we've heard, we've heard before.
<v Speaker 2>But I guess part of me is like wondering, say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you are doing the same song and dance here as
<v Speaker 2>you've been doing for a long time with this stuff,
<v Speaker 2>has nothing changed, or like, is it really still game
<v Speaker 2>by game that they're making these decisions? And I suppose
<v Speaker 2>they could say yes, and it probably is technically true.
<v Speaker 4>Right, it's case by case.
<v Speaker 5>The problem is I think each case is going to
<v Speaker 5>start having similar answers.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think so.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Indiana Jones kind of coming this late to PlayStation,
<v Speaker 5>I just sort of attributed that to being a bit
<v Speaker 5>of a late decision, right.
<v Speaker 4>I think early on they're like, you know, you know,
<v Speaker 4>we know.
<v Speaker 5>This is going to really you know, help game pass
<v Speaker 5>and that's going to be enough and up fromot the
<v Speaker 5>Xbox brand, and you know, I think it became pretty
<v Speaker 5>clearer that, no, the strategy is going to be more
<v Speaker 5>about just selling games. If we want to sell the
<v Speaker 5>most games, we probably should be on PlayStation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think they are just kind of balancing between what
<v Speaker 2>key performance metrics they are most concerned with at any
<v Speaker 2>one time, And you know, a couple of years ago
<v Speaker 2>it was definitely growing game Pass, and now following the
<v Speaker 2>acquisition of Activision, I think they're looking at we want
<v Speaker 2>every game to kind of make as much money as
<v Speaker 2>it possibly can, and I think that, you know, that
<v Speaker 2>would have vast implications for like what things you value.
<v Speaker 2>And I think at the same time, it's like, well,
<v Speaker 2>we do still value growing game pass and growing next
<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree and keeping this fan base happy.
<v Speaker 2>So how can we play this out? And I think
<v Speaker 2>you end up in a situation like you're in with
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones, where it is, Hey, let's release it on
<v Speaker 2>Xbox first, Let's have a small exclusivity window. They release
<v Speaker 2>it on PlayStation five pretty quickly after. That does give
<v Speaker 2>the team some time to make sure that the PlayStation
<v Speaker 2>five version is even better and so they can have
<v Speaker 2>that ready to go for that even bigger audience.
<v Speaker 1>And in the meantime, we'll make as much money from
<v Speaker 1>this game as we possibly can.
<v Speaker 2>Without like putting ourselves in a situation we're trying to
<v Speaker 2>cram another version of it on launch day. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I could see ow they're serving all these different masters
<v Speaker 2>and how those masters have changed over time.
<v Speaker 1>And I think you're.
<v Speaker 2>Right that as as this stuff can like trends in
<v Speaker 2>this direction, it's just going to trend harder in this
<v Speaker 2>direction going forward, so that as they ask themselves these questions,
<v Speaker 2>the answer will be very similar each time.
<v Speaker 5>It's just it's interesting watching the whole kind of you know,
<v Speaker 5>these these services kind of lose favor release with the
<v Speaker 5>CEOs and investors because when you first launched one, that's
<v Speaker 5>a big boost, right, yep.
<v Speaker 1>The problem is it's hard.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's disruptive, but then you it's hard for it
<v Speaker 5>to grow at a certain point and you don't get
<v Speaker 5>spikes anymore, right, you don't get surprise, major hit.
<v Speaker 4>Really you know, helped push us in this quarter.
<v Speaker 5>Like when I was watching w Wana Too, I was thinking, like, man,
<v Speaker 5>this movie's making you know, a billion dollars and it
<v Speaker 5>was just going to be a Disney Plus show. And
<v Speaker 5>sure a lot of people would have watched it on
<v Speaker 5>Disney Plus, and I guess it would it be good
<v Speaker 5>for retention, It would have brought some people back, but
<v Speaker 5>it wouldn't have led to like this spike in pure
<v Speaker 5>revenue in the way that releasing an theaters would. And
<v Speaker 5>it's the same thing with in Indiana Jones. For them,
<v Speaker 5>I suppose right, like, yeah, it'd be good for game
<v Speaker 5>Pass if it's you know, this Xbox exclusive. You know
<v Speaker 5>what's better than that just sell a lot of copies
<v Speaker 5>and making a lot of money.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I think they are just back to being like, we
<v Speaker 2>can't ignore that, you know. I think for a while
<v Speaker 2>they had all these reasons why that wouldn't matter, and
<v Speaker 2>things changed, and now they very much matter again.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say I'm very much enjoying the Great Circle
<v Speaker 1>once again. Sorry I joked about you not like nothing.
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, Yeah, yeah, it's Uh. It does have a
<v Speaker 2>slow start, and I think the first couple of big areas,
<v Speaker 2>you really can get out of the pacing and just
<v Speaker 2>spend so much time there. And I think the things
<v Speaker 2>you're doing going back and forth and just sort of
<v Speaker 2>checking a box, be like all right, now I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>go back here and check a different box.
<v Speaker 1>Is very routine and wrote.
<v Speaker 2>But I think if you are happy, like just like
<v Speaker 2>doing some of that stuff, and then if you if
<v Speaker 2>you get a little bit bored just zoom over to
<v Speaker 2>the story story quests as quickly as possible and move
<v Speaker 2>it along yourself.
<v Speaker 1>And then once you get past the second big open
<v Speaker 1>major area.
<v Speaker 2>It just goes and there's so much cool stuff. There's
<v Speaker 2>so many things, but it's like, man, this is some
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite things I like seen visually that they're
<v Speaker 2>messing around with in an Indiana Jones story. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm very much on board with this game at
<v Speaker 2>this point. Well, still recognizing my early issues with the game,
<v Speaker 2>which haven't gone away. It's just like they aren't well,
<v Speaker 2>they've gone away in the parts of the game I'm playing,
<v Speaker 2>but I still feel those things about the early part
<v Speaker 2>of the game.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna I'm gonna start playing it after we get
<v Speaker 5>through the game awards things like that. Then I'm going
<v Speaker 5>to just sort of dive in there. I'm gonna stream it.
<v Speaker 5>We have a game club over at the game mess channel.
<v Speaker 5>We're all playing this one, So I'm going to delete
<v Speaker 5>a discussion on that eventually. But yeah, my brother started
<v Speaker 5>it last night.
<v Speaker 4>I think it.
<v Speaker 5>They seem very happy. Chris Big Indiana Jones fan. Chris
<v Speaker 5>really likes Indie he used to buy those weird books
<v Speaker 5>like Indiana Jones and The Dinosaur Egg and.
<v Speaker 4>Stuff like that. Oh so he's happy, that's all.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad.
<v Speaker 2>I bet he was very excited about that intro, which
<v Speaker 2>is very very cool.
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's take a quick break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we will talk about well, Michelle
<v Speaker 2>Ansel is out there speaking about uvsoft and Ubisoft's in
<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble. We'll get into all that right
<v Speaker 2>after this.
<v Speaker 1>How do be Soft?
<v Speaker 2>All right, we are back and let's get into it.
<v Speaker 2>Michelle on Cell claims Beyond Good and Evil to development
<v Speaker 2>hindered by problems between managers.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Chris Scully and.
<v Speaker 4>At VGC before you even sorry.
<v Speaker 5>One of my favorite things about reading the story was
<v Speaker 5>finding out, oh wait, he's one of the managers.
<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly.
<v Speaker 1>It's like he's wearing the hot dogs sit Yes exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 2>Rayvan and Beyond Good and Evil creator Michelle on Sell
<v Speaker 2>has shed more light on the development issues faced by
<v Speaker 2>Beyond Good and Evil to blaming management conflicts. The sequel
<v Speaker 2>was originally announced back in two thousand and eight, and
<v Speaker 2>despite a re reveal in twenty seventeen, there's still been
<v Speaker 2>no sign of a release anytime soon. On Cell left
<v Speaker 2>Ubisoft in twenty twenty, saying he was leaving the video
<v Speaker 2>game industry entirely to focus on a new career in
<v Speaker 2>Wildlife Now. In a new interview with super Povol, on
<v Speaker 2>Cell has given in his view on what went wrong
<v Speaker 2>with Beyond Good and Evil two during this time his
<v Speaker 2>time at the company, saying he felt that clashes between
<v Speaker 2>management were the main issue.
<v Speaker 1>On some projects.
<v Speaker 2>We set ourselves huge challenges and take on teams with passion,
<v Speaker 2>but without knowing how long and complex the road ahead
<v Speaker 2>will be. On Sel explained, passion is a fabulous energy,
<v Speaker 2>but it can also lead to clashes between enthusiasts. On
<v Speaker 2>Beyond Gooding Evil two, for example, there were too many
<v Speaker 2>problems between managers. The art director wanted to redo everything
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, the game director wanted to make
<v Speaker 2>a generate a dungeon game, and I was dreaming of
<v Speaker 2>a space adventure. We simply couldn't agree, and the game
<v Speaker 2>director took the project in other directions. In this type
<v Speaker 2>of situation, the teams are thrown around and don't even
<v Speaker 2>know who's in charge and who's making the decisions. The
<v Speaker 2>producer is supposed to bring order to the situation, but
<v Speaker 2>that didn't happen. Eaves Gimmeaut even had to go down
<v Speaker 2>to Montpellier to get things back on track, but that
<v Speaker 2>wasn't enough, and the game director continued his in his stubbornness,
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised to hear that eve Gimo couldn't solve something.
<v Speaker 5>That's just shocking me to bring it together.
<v Speaker 2>That's one. That's one strike for our boy, one strike man, man.
<v Speaker 1>That's weird. Yeah, go ahead, I don't get it.
<v Speaker 5>And so it should be the guy who has the
<v Speaker 5>final say, right, like if he wants a space adventure
<v Speaker 5>and they probably were promoting and marketing as space adventure,
<v Speaker 5>how is that not the game that they were making? Gosh,
<v Speaker 5>everything about Beyond Good and Evil too, It is just
<v Speaker 5>so freaking weird weirdst of all the fact that it's
<v Speaker 5>still coming and they like heavily teased and promoted it
<v Speaker 5>in that recent Beyond Good and Evil remaster.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Yeah, it's something that they have explicitly said is
<v Speaker 2>still coming. They're still working on it without and they've
<v Speaker 2>been working on it without Michelle himself.
<v Speaker 1>For years now, and who.
<v Speaker 2>Knows what this game looks like because, as he's saying, like,
<v Speaker 2>while he was there, he had no idea what it was.
<v Speaker 2>The people working for him had no idea what it was,
<v Speaker 2>and it kept changing constantly. So whenever we talk about
<v Speaker 2>this game, I'm always like, yeah, I mean, come out,
<v Speaker 2>but it won't be that game.
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I feel more confident about that than ever.
<v Speaker 2>This is just who when we see this next it
<v Speaker 2>will be like, oh, oh they're doing this now.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 5>But here's my thing with Beyond Good and Evil too,
<v Speaker 5>How the hell does that game make any money? It's
<v Speaker 5>a sequel that's not really a sequel to a game
<v Speaker 5>that flaumped and I like it. I like Beyond Good
<v Speaker 5>and Evil, but you know, you want to strike while.
<v Speaker 4>The iron is hot. Young was never hot?
<v Speaker 5>What alone twenty something years later and now it's gonna
<v Speaker 5>be some completely different thing, not a Zelda clone anymore.
<v Speaker 5>Here's here's my new theory about what's gonna happen with
<v Speaker 5>Beyond is That is that no one there is wants
<v Speaker 5>to cancel it because of sunk you know, cost, fallacy
<v Speaker 5>or whatever. And once Zuopiesoft gets sold to ten Set
<v Speaker 5>or whatever, they're gonna take a look at it and say,
<v Speaker 5>what the fuck is this and they're.
<v Speaker 4>Gonna cancel it?
<v Speaker 1>That sounds very plausible.
<v Speaker 2>I think that the reason that they were teasing it
<v Speaker 2>so hard in the last and the Beyond Good and
<v Speaker 2>Evil remaster is they have internally rebooted it as once.
<v Speaker 1>Again, just as Zelda Clone, and it'll come out and.
<v Speaker 2>It'll be pretty basic, uh, and not have what should
<v Speaker 2>have always have been. It's gonna be what it should
<v Speaker 2>have always been, but like at a reduced scale, probably
<v Speaker 2>than what it would like what the amount of time
<v Speaker 2>would suggest is gonna happen with this game.
<v Speaker 5>So, like, how well do you think that remastered it?
<v Speaker 5>I liked that remaster a lot, Okay, maybe numbers, Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>It's like, you know, remember how you know who was it?
<v Speaker 5>THHQ or whatever they're called now, was like that Epic
<v Speaker 5>Mickey remaster didn't do very well, but you think you
<v Speaker 5>think the Beyond Good and Evil remaster did much better
<v Speaker 5>than that?
<v Speaker 1>Now I don't.
<v Speaker 5>And it's like do you look at that, like, well,
<v Speaker 5>why is the sequel to this gonna suddenly make money?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 5>And look I'm all for I'm like, I like Beyond
<v Speaker 5>Good Evil, I want a sequel, but man, I just
<v Speaker 5>don't understand how that works out.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm I'm I've always felt that way, like this
<v Speaker 2>never made that much sense to me, and every single
<v Speaker 2>day it makes less and less.
<v Speaker 5>It would have made sense if in two thousand and
<v Speaker 5>nine you just released that sequel on Xbox three sixty
<v Speaker 5>was an actual sequel and was just as zel a
<v Speaker 5>game whatever.
<v Speaker 4>But this thing this weird.
<v Speaker 5>You know. The only actual product we ever got out
<v Speaker 5>of this were overly expensive CG trailers where a monkey
<v Speaker 5>said fuck a lot right to show us how edgy
<v Speaker 5>and cool it is gonna be just one of the
<v Speaker 5>most bizarre projects in gaming history.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>He he also he had some other stuff to say.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't include it, but he was basically just kind
<v Speaker 2>of saying, like, yeah, Ubi, Steff's got lots of problems,
<v Speaker 2>and he was talking a lot of smack. Now, Michelle
<v Speaker 2>n Sell, like, I think was he like left to
<v Speaker 2>go work in wildlife, But it sounded like he had.
<v Speaker 1>Been dismissed for toxic management patterns.
<v Speaker 5>And there's been accusations there right his finger pointing, but
<v Speaker 5>he's what does he mean working wildlife?
<v Speaker 2>I think he was like going to go work with animals, like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we bought a zoo. It's a true
<v Speaker 2>story about Michelle.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, true story.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, what a career shift, all right?
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I mean, hey, follow your passion, I guess.
<v Speaker 2>And well, the monkeys can't get mad when when you're
<v Speaker 2>a toxic manager to them, or they can't.
<v Speaker 1>They just can't tell anybody, So maybe.
<v Speaker 4>Even there, he's still like, I'm not sure who's in charge.
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was supposed to be me, but this
<v Speaker 5>person yells a lot, so I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>And I called down Yeeves and he didn't fucking help.
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, he just came in with his quiet voice
<v Speaker 5>and said them things about how we're a family, and
<v Speaker 5>then like left.
<v Speaker 2>We are all monkeys inside.
<v Speaker 1>I'll be a problem about it, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Marvel Rivals gets ten million players in the first three days.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Chris Scullion at VGC.
<v Speaker 2>Marvel Rivals has reached ten million players in the first
<v Speaker 2>three days. Ease has confirmed. The news was announced on
<v Speaker 2>the game's official Twitter account, where net E's thanked players
<v Speaker 2>for reaching the ten million player milestone in.
<v Speaker 1>Just seventy two hours.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they everyone's playing this game. Huh God, this popped off.
<v Speaker 5>Sounds like a Path of Exile too, also popping off
<v Speaker 5>pretty hard. So yeah, yeah, pretty pretty good weekend here
<v Speaker 5>for these free to play games. Marvel Rivals, you know,
<v Speaker 5>had that very successful open beta. I think that there
<v Speaker 5>are a lot of fans of Hero Shooters have been
<v Speaker 5>waiting for a new one that does just feel a
<v Speaker 5>lot like overwatching. This shirt does feel a lot like overwatched,
<v Speaker 5>sometimes shamelessly, but they're doing enough stuff here, like this
<v Speaker 5>was Star Wars Now too, as I say, as I'm
<v Speaker 5>wearing this star Vader's shirt, where it's like, if you
<v Speaker 5>ask me how I feel about Star Wars or Marble Now,
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, eh, yeah, yeah, you got a Star Wars
<v Speaker 5>or two. But what's like something comes out that is
<v Speaker 5>kind of good and fun. I'm like, oh, this stuff's neat.
<v Speaker 5>I get to play as Captain America. I like him
<v Speaker 5>right right, And they have a really they have a
<v Speaker 5>big cast of characters in their right away. They got
<v Speaker 5>a good mix of the standards and quit interpretations of
<v Speaker 5>the standards, and they're like some weird deep cuts people
<v Speaker 5>don't even know, Like this shark, this land shark named Jeff,
<v Speaker 5>who's a healer basically kind of a Moira thing going
<v Speaker 5>on there, but I'm like, this is kind of a fun,
<v Speaker 5>cute looking character.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's been good to play.
<v Speaker 5>Now it's been a little unstable for me, which is
<v Speaker 5>probably related to the ten million players.
<v Speaker 1>It was.
<v Speaker 5>They got four hundred thousand concurrens on Steam shortly after launching, right,
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it's a it's a big hit. I'm sure
<v Speaker 5>their servers are getting slammed. It'll be interesting to see
<v Speaker 5>if they can keep that momentum up here, right, because
<v Speaker 5>I mean, hey, there was a time we're Overwatch was
<v Speaker 5>the bigges thing world. It still makes money, but it's
<v Speaker 5>very different from that game of the year prestigious Overwatch
<v Speaker 5>and the Overwatch now that's doing an Avatar Last Airbender
<v Speaker 5>collaboration for skins, right exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean what do you think it takes to
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, we say keep momentum. We're not
<v Speaker 2>talking about always having you know, five hundred thousand concurrent players,
<v Speaker 2>although some games do do that, like like two or
<v Speaker 2>three games do that, but like, you know, how can
<v Speaker 2>it maintain around eighty thousand concurrents going forward? Like does
<v Speaker 2>it just always have to be dropping new characters just
<v Speaker 2>or what like how like what didn't do different than
<v Speaker 2>what Overwatch did.
<v Speaker 5>Maybe you can actually have that that co op campaign
<v Speaker 5>that overwes sure canceled, right, just steal it? Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Fun, Yeah, I would enjoy that. That might be something.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I have not touched it since I played it
<v Speaker 2>in the beta. I really enjoyed in the beta, But
<v Speaker 2>I do see. I've seen some clips of people like
<v Speaker 2>Andy Cortes was just going on a killing spree in
<v Speaker 2>one match and it was like he was like laughing,
<v Speaker 2>like cackling. Oh my god, this game was fun. I
<v Speaker 2>should get back into it. So we'll try to make
<v Speaker 2>that happen when we get back from LA.
<v Speaker 1>Everybody place them on the website, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of successful launches four big games, Path of XL
<v Speaker 2>two sets new record with over five hundred thousand concurrent players.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Marcus Person at Game Reactor. Path of
<v Speaker 2>XL two has reached an impressive milestone during its early
<v Speaker 2>access phase with over five hundred thousand concurrent players on Steam.
<v Speaker 2>This achievement not only highlights the game's popularity, but also
<v Speaker 2>places it among the most played titles in Steam's history.
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Rodgers, co founder of grinding Gear Games recently shared
<v Speaker 2>a video that over one million keys for Path of
<v Speaker 2>XL two have been redeemed since its launch, despite the
<v Speaker 2>company increasing server capacity. Oh However, he warned of potential
<v Speaker 2>cues to the unexpectedly high demand despite the company increasing
<v Speaker 2>server capacity with additional resources. Path of XL two builds
<v Speaker 2>on the dark and intricate world of Rare or colassed
<v Speaker 2>as the name of the world I suppose, offering players
<v Speaker 2>a rich narrative, extensive character customization, and blah blah blah. Yeah, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>this game is the one that people are like, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be big, you should be playing it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I would love to make time for this,
<v Speaker 2>just it's coming out at a bad time for me personally.
<v Speaker 2>But when I get back, I think this is another
<v Speaker 2>one I want to like spend some time with. Uh
<v Speaker 2>did you ever play Path of Exile just a little bit.
<v Speaker 5>I couldn't quite get into it, but I always found interesting.
<v Speaker 5>You know, we're here with this tiny domino of Diablo three,
<v Speaker 5>sort of disappointing Diablo two players, which led to this
<v Speaker 5>migration to the original Path of Exile, And here we
<v Speaker 5>are at the launch of the sequel, and you know,
<v Speaker 5>I've been hearing very good things. I have curious to
<v Speaker 5>try it because you know, Diabo four had its expansion
<v Speaker 5>come out this year.
<v Speaker 4>I just have had a hard time getting into it.
<v Speaker 5>I'm usually, you know, I like Diablo a lot, usually
<v Speaker 5>at least play through the new big expansions and things
<v Speaker 5>like that.
<v Speaker 4>So and I'm not sure what it is about.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's a problem with me in
<v Speaker 5>the genre, if it's a problem with me and Diablo
<v Speaker 5>four right now specifically. But I'll be pretty happy to
<v Speaker 5>give Paths of Exile to a chance here. I think
<v Speaker 5>your Path of XL one did have something about it's
<v Speaker 5>free to play in this that Yeah, it was a
<v Speaker 5>little one appetizing to me, and it's it had like
<v Speaker 5>a sphere grid skill tree system like Prophecy ten, which
<v Speaker 5>sounds cool. And then I would look at it and
<v Speaker 5>even I would kind of be like, yeah, that's where
<v Speaker 5>you go look up a guide and you find out
<v Speaker 5>where you're supposed to click on.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, do the thing I'm supposed to do.
<v Speaker 5>So just see what progression looks like, what customization looks like,
<v Speaker 5>and how the game feels. But yeah, it's a you know,
<v Speaker 5>we kept playing a lot about the same games at
<v Speaker 5>the top a lot of time, Jeff. So good to
<v Speaker 5>see some new stuff you're performing well.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely and like And to see a free to play
<v Speaker 2>game get a sequel and have that do very well.
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't always happen either. A lot of times they
<v Speaker 2>come out and people like, I'm just gonnakeep playing the
<v Speaker 2>first one because this new one doesn't have the one
<v Speaker 2>specific future I want, So it sucks. It's definitely happened
<v Speaker 2>to some games, and this one seems to be skirting
<v Speaker 2>that at least. Uh In the time you did play
<v Speaker 2>Path of Exile, do you remember what the the monetization
<v Speaker 2>was like, because I've heard like, it's free to play,
<v Speaker 2>and then I've heard some people go like, it's look,
<v Speaker 2>it's not really free to play, like you can really
<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of money, and you probably should be.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I have no idea, no frame of reference. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not an expert.
<v Speaker 5>My remembrance of Pathecs, I once just that it has
<v Speaker 5>you know, a lot of expansions and big story content
<v Speaker 5>drops and you pay for those, okay, and then I'm
<v Speaker 5>sure there's other things I forget if it did straight
<v Speaker 5>up like here's a level of potion to increase your
<v Speaker 5>exp gains or things like that. Uh not it says you,
<v Speaker 5>uh you pay for more stash tabs. Yeah, things like that.
<v Speaker 5>Like that's the thing that I'm gonta be like. But
<v Speaker 5>it could It could just as easily not be a problem.
<v Speaker 5>Mike is incorrect and no pay to win. Okay, Well
<v Speaker 5>wasn't incorrect. I was saying I didn't know if they was,
<v Speaker 5>to be clear, So no, no XP stuff at least, all.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay?
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean sounds like this game is gonna
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of money. It's gonna do very well,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm interested to try it myself.
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get over to Fortnite, where a lot
<v Speaker 3>is happening.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>Fortnite goes first person with Ballistic, a tactical five v
<v Speaker 2>five shooter, in early access starting December eleventh. This come
<v Speaker 2>from the Fortnite team's blog post Welcome to Ballistic, a
<v Speaker 2>new first person Fortnite experience launching in early access on
<v Speaker 2>December eleventh with ranked plus unranked modes. Ballistic is an
<v Speaker 2>adrenaline filled, round based five v five competitive game mode
<v Speaker 2>where strategy tentacle. Teamwork and individual prowess are essential for victory.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you go round by round. Here it says
<v Speaker 2>you start with let's see, you'll start the game with
<v Speaker 2>a ranger pistol in eight hundred credits and ballistic credits
<v Speaker 2>can be earned from scoring eliminations and planning the rift
<v Speaker 2>point device. It's counter strike, yes, exactly, counter They are
<v Speaker 2>putting counter strike.
<v Speaker 3>In Fortnite, and like, on one hand, why not?
<v Speaker 2>And on the other hand, I'm like, I don't want
<v Speaker 2>every game to just be in Fortnite.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why, but I do feel that way.
<v Speaker 5>The whole Fortnite as a platform for games things has
<v Speaker 5>been weird. It's right now, this is weirder than when
<v Speaker 5>they're just throwing in completely different things that had nothing
<v Speaker 5>to do with Fortnite. Like they put Guitar Hero with Fortnite,
<v Speaker 5>they put a racing game in Fortnite.
<v Speaker 4>They put that weird uh.
<v Speaker 5>That weird Lego survival game in Fortnite, and that was
<v Speaker 5>all strange, and that was just here's counter strike but
<v Speaker 5>in Fortnite, and it's first person. Hey, Epic Epic Games
<v Speaker 5>is making a first person shooter again.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess that's something.
<v Speaker 5>We go, gosh, yeah, I'm curious because you know, counter
<v Speaker 5>Strike two is already doing pretty well, and there's also.
<v Speaker 1>Valoriurent doing very well.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, right, so it's Fortnite, so there's always a chance
<v Speaker 5>that pops off. But boy, that genre is already being served.
<v Speaker 5>I mean we saw for how long the Moba seem
<v Speaker 5>was just pretty much good with Doda two in League
<v Speaker 5>of Legends, right, and you would have some smaller hits
<v Speaker 5>here and there, like smites or things like that. But
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I don't know if Epic is
<v Speaker 5>hoping for a smaller hit here.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>It's like they're starting off with like the Skyline ten map.
<v Speaker 2>It's got the spray handed b on the wall with
<v Speaker 2>an arrow pointing where to go.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it is it is?
<v Speaker 4>Can that be with the spray Yes?
<v Speaker 2>Wow exactly, Like oh wow, yeah, I'm not someone who's
<v Speaker 2>played a million hours of counter Strike, but I see that.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, my Counterstrike alarm has gone
<v Speaker 1>off here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I think you're right. It's Fortnite, so there's
<v Speaker 2>a chance. I think there's probably more than just a
<v Speaker 2>chance because it is Fortnite and these modes are popular
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. The counter Strike is always you know,
<v Speaker 2>around a million concurrent players or something like that. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it hovers up and down, but very frequently a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people playing that game. Valorant probably very similar. I
<v Speaker 2>think that there probably is a chance this game could
<v Speaker 2>and can take on some of that audience and then
<v Speaker 2>maybe introduce a Fortnite audience to this, but I think
<v Speaker 2>it will be the third wheel there, and in most
<v Speaker 2>situations still, I'm like, I'm curious to see what what
<v Speaker 2>it actually plays like.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Part of me is like, if I was gonna do this,
<v Speaker 2>I would probably just want to go play some Valorant
<v Speaker 2>or counter Strike, but who.
<v Speaker 4>Knows, you know, you know, it's Epic Games.
<v Speaker 5>They had an opportunity here to be like, hey, we're
<v Speaker 5>gonna make a new first person competitive mode. It could
<v Speaker 5>have made a new arena issue or something like that,
<v Speaker 5>and that would have been maybe a bit more interesting
<v Speaker 5>to me.
<v Speaker 1>But then again, I'm old, yeah, yeah, I'm wondering.
<v Speaker 2>This is just gonna be me having to get used
<v Speaker 2>to this where it's like, instead of these companies that
<v Speaker 2>have the resources to make brand new games, they're just
<v Speaker 2>saying Hey, come back into our metaverse that we've built here,
<v Speaker 2>and here's the latest game where all your stuff that
<v Speaker 2>you purchase is going to carry out. Like I looking
<v Speaker 2>on paper, the reasons to do it in Fortnite are,
<v Speaker 2>It's a lengthy list. There are so many reasons why
<v Speaker 2>this makes sense. It keeps people like bouncing between the
<v Speaker 2>other modes. It makes it so you don't have to
<v Speaker 2>build a whole new ecosystem and monetization scheme. All the
<v Speaker 2>stuff people are already buying. You just say, now you
<v Speaker 2>can use those v bucks over here as well, and
<v Speaker 2>when you buy something for the main mode, it will
<v Speaker 2>work over here. That's gonna be very appealing to people.
<v Speaker 2>I just I'm at a point where I like it
<v Speaker 2>when something new, completely fresh comes out from these companies.
<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like a company like Epic is just
<v Speaker 2>done doing that. So if I were in their situation,
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably make the same choice as someone who's purchasing
<v Speaker 2>games or looking to.
<v Speaker 1>Spend time in games. I'm a little bit disappointed with
<v Speaker 1>that with this trend personally.
<v Speaker 5>All Right, it's funny, like, yep, the game store didn't
<v Speaker 5>really pop off, But what if this Fortnite is the store, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 5>that is just that's the launcher now. Gosh, yeah, it'll
<v Speaker 5>be interesting to see how this does, because you know,
<v Speaker 5>I can see a ward war becomes the biggest thing,
<v Speaker 5>of course, yeah, of course, and you can see a
<v Speaker 5>world word it is ignored completely.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, all right, then more with Fortnite. Lego Fortnite is
<v Speaker 2>adding a new social roleplay experience called brick Life. This
<v Speaker 2>is from uh oh it's okay. There's a Jan note
<v Speaker 2>here that says this should have been called bricked Up.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Jan.
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for making a bricked up joke before me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is from tom ive and at VGC. Lego Fortnite
<v Speaker 2>is introducing a new social roleplay experience called a Bricked Up,
<v Speaker 2>launching on December twelfth. It will let users explore a
<v Speaker 2>Lego city, build home, socialize, and work different jobs. As
<v Speaker 2>you explore this bustling city with up to thirty one
<v Speaker 2>other players, you'll find it's full of interesting locales to
<v Speaker 2>explore and landmarks to admire, Lego said. Visit the Cozy
<v Speaker 2>Pause Cafe at the Beach, or meet friends for a
<v Speaker 2>coffee at the town Square. Purchase and decorate your home
<v Speaker 2>with a wide range of Lego furniture and take on
<v Speaker 2>an assortment of jobs, from a mystical fortune teller to
<v Speaker 2>the hard working sushi chef and even more mischievous scoundrel.
<v Speaker 2>Brick Life was announced on Monday as part of a
<v Speaker 2>wider revamp of Lego Fortnite. Starting on December tenth, Lego
<v Speaker 2>Fortnite will be its own category in Fortnite's Discover section,
<v Speaker 2>acting as a central destination for all Lego experiences. Okay, yes,
<v Speaker 2>so I mean this is GTA online roleplay servers, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's what the sounds like.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, in some ways that makes more that seems more
<v Speaker 5>interesting to me than that survival game that they had.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, same, It's also like, yeah, because there's this has
<v Speaker 2>not been a space that's been super exports survival games
<v Speaker 2>like though you get one of those in early access
<v Speaker 2>on Steam every week.
<v Speaker 1>So I.
<v Speaker 2>Wonder is the audience that's watching a lot of gt
<v Speaker 2>g T a online role play They probably are pretty young.
<v Speaker 2>That probably is an audience excuse.
<v Speaker 5>Relatively you And I mean you know it's adjacent to
<v Speaker 5>that too, is roadblocks.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, good point, Yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>So I think maybe this could be a good way
<v Speaker 2>to sort of make that work inside of Fortnite, part
<v Speaker 2>of me thinks that like the underlying sort of dirt
<v Speaker 2>bagness of the GTA world where it enables people to like, like,
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting in gt online to be a citizen that
<v Speaker 2>obeys the rules, that's because it's like, all of these
<v Speaker 2>things are there for you to be, like a bad
<v Speaker 2>person or to do crimes, and by ignoring that and
<v Speaker 2>role playing against, like against the character that the game
<v Speaker 2>expects you to be, that creates these interesting dynamics. I
<v Speaker 2>wonder if the same sort of sense, that same sense
<v Speaker 2>will happen in something like this, where it's like clearly
<v Speaker 2>built to be, like, hey, you just go be a
<v Speaker 2>sushi chef.
<v Speaker 1>That's what the game was made to do.
<v Speaker 2>Because the roleplay stuff sort of got glombed on top
<v Speaker 2>of GTA Online without any real input from rock Star.
<v Speaker 2>So I just wonder if the role playing community is
<v Speaker 2>going to adopt this, or maybe it's like it's gonna
<v Speaker 2>be something different on its own, where it's like it's
<v Speaker 2>the roleplay stuff is demphasized.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know what to expect here.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, dare We're right. I do wonder how much actual
<v Speaker 5>role playing will be going on here. If they want
<v Speaker 5>everybody to just be like that character from the Lego movie, right,
<v Speaker 5>just kind of going around Lego World and being really
<v Speaker 5>happy about it, that might wear thin for people for
<v Speaker 5>a bit going into their sushi job, like doing at
<v Speaker 5>night them biery there, right, people want to rob banks
<v Speaker 5>and you know, do other illicit activities and look, something
<v Speaker 5>that's gonna prop up here too, and it'll be just
<v Speaker 5>to see how they handle all that stuff. Well, it's interesting,
<v Speaker 5>is just that, at least to me, at the games
<v Speaker 5>is in this position where they could just make so
<v Speaker 5>many bets like this, like why not make our own
<v Speaker 5>counter Strike. We can have our own GTA online with Legos.
<v Speaker 5>If it hits, it hits, that's more mine. It's great.
<v Speaker 4>And if it fails, so fucking what we still have Fortnite, yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's uh, it does feel like big bets.
<v Speaker 2>It feels like, hey, let's try something that if it
<v Speaker 2>does work, could be huge and a whole other pillar
<v Speaker 2>alongside Fortnite. And if it doesn't work out, you're right,
<v Speaker 2>we still have Fortnite. I you know, I'm not someone
<v Speaker 2>that will ever even checked out the Guitar Hero stuff
<v Speaker 2>or the the kart racing game they put in there
<v Speaker 2>that is based on Rocket League and things like that.
<v Speaker 2>And I've never played the lego stuff inside of Fortnite,
<v Speaker 2>so as these things get announced, I'm like, ah, yeah, maybe,
<v Speaker 2>and then when it's time to go play Fortnite, we
<v Speaker 2>just go play the base Fortnite or the batter Royale game.
<v Speaker 2>But clearly they have a captive audience in a lot
<v Speaker 2>of ways, people who just experience games by going to
<v Speaker 2>play Fortnite with their friends and offering them more ways
<v Speaker 2>to expand on that and spend more money. That seems
<v Speaker 2>to be the strategy here, and I think things like
<v Speaker 2>this could have an exponential growth factor for them, but
<v Speaker 2>we'll see. Okay, last story here. Kroc Legends of the
<v Speaker 2>Gobbos Remastered has been delayed. This is from Argonaut Games
<v Speaker 2>on Twitter. We have an important update regarding the release
<v Speaker 2>of the Legend of the Gobbos remaster. After careful, careful consideration,
<v Speaker 2>we have decided to push the launch into Q one
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. This decision was not made lightly, but
<v Speaker 2>we believe that a little more time is needed to
<v Speaker 2>add the final touches to ensure the game meets the
<v Speaker 2>high standards that we aspire to in which you deserve.
<v Speaker 1>Listen. I like Kroc fine, but I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, high standards. Look their Krock. Come on, man, this
<v Speaker 2>is fine, just put it out. But whatever I recognized,
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's some other stuff going on there, bugs and
<v Speaker 2>things that they don't want to ruin the experience. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I want to play these games again, even if I'm
<v Speaker 2>like yeah on them.
<v Speaker 1>Any chance you try Krock again, I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's weird because that was the tank control
<v Speaker 5>three D platform or it's like one of the things
<v Speaker 5>you think about three D roomaster or a remaster. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna gonna add analog controls, probably say, isn't that
<v Speaker 5>The point of Kroc is that it's tank control, So
<v Speaker 5>how are they handling that in this?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't care either way. Though I'm not playing Kroc.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's a Crock. The one thing
<v Speaker 5>I like about Kroc is the story about how it's
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be a Yoshi game.
<v Speaker 4>I think that's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because Argonaut is a team that has relationships with
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo and they've made I think Argonaut has made Yoshi
<v Speaker 2>games before or after even after this.
<v Speaker 1>I think, but yes, that would have been weird.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's that story recently about like I forget who
<v Speaker 5>wrote it. It was the gaming history as a Nintendo bias.
<v Speaker 5>It was talking about Kroc and Benji KAZUOI. It was
<v Speaker 5>like Croc sold just as well as Benja Kazuois. Howcome
<v Speaker 5>it's not remembered alias Fondle. Like the next paragraph they
<v Speaker 5>answered their own question like now bad Joe Tooey sold
<v Speaker 5>very well. Well, Kroc two was a flop. It's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 5>there's no relevance there, there's no staying power Croc. I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 2>One last story here that I saw this briefly. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>I may like hurt my head, but I'll just I'll
<v Speaker 2>read the tweet from itch dot io.
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, I kid you not. This is from itch itself.
<v Speaker 1>I kid you not. Itch Io has been taken down
<v Speaker 1>by a by.
<v Speaker 2>Funko, the Funko company, because they use some trash AI
<v Speaker 2>powered brand protection software called brand Shield Limited that created
<v Speaker 2>some bogus fishing report to our registrar, which is like
<v Speaker 2>basically I guess this AI software complained that somehow itchio
<v Speaker 2>was a phishing scam and complain.
<v Speaker 3>To its registrar. All just automated because.
<v Speaker 2>It's AI and and it says they complained to the Registar.
<v Speaker 2>Funko did, but the Registar ignored the response and just
<v Speaker 2>disabled the domain. So it took down all of hio
<v Speaker 2>because Funko used some bullshit AI thing.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it is back up. Good good.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's good to hear, because that's just so stupid.
<v Speaker 1>That's wild. That's kind of internet we're on now. It's
<v Speaker 1>a weird time. All right.
<v Speaker 2>That does it for the headlines. You know what, While
<v Speaker 2>while we're doing that, lets I never meant to play
<v Speaker 2>this video of the Lego Fortnite Brick Life gameplay thing
<v Speaker 2>just so people can see it real quick. All right,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get to the pull question here in a second.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's just do that. Now, there we go.
<v Speaker 2>Uh are you going to play Indiana Jones? And the
<v Speaker 2>Great Circle asked this on Monday, or I'm sorry, asked
<v Speaker 2>this on Friday.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>The results here say thirty one percent say no they're not,
<v Speaker 2>but sixty nine percent nice say that they are going
<v Speaker 2>to play Indiana Jones in the Great Circle. That's a
<v Speaker 2>pretty big response. Usually when you ask questions like this
<v Speaker 2>for any game, it's you know, so like fifty percent
<v Speaker 2>is kind of the high mark for a lot of
<v Speaker 2>these things. This seems to be breaking through one of
<v Speaker 2>the one of gonna be like the last big game
<v Speaker 2>of the year for Reel. People seem very excited about it.
<v Speaker 2>It's out today for real, right, I think?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I want to play yep, yep, for sure. So yeah,
<v Speaker 5>it's just it's just a video game you can play now, yep.
<v Speaker 1>Very cool.
<v Speaker 2>All right, I have a new poll question. We'll get
<v Speaker 2>to that here in a second while I get that
<v Speaker 2>set up. Mike, why don't you tell people where they
<v Speaker 2>can find you on the internet what you have going on?
<v Speaker 2>All that good stuff?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, check out Nineties Disney My nineties Disney podcast. Our
<v Speaker 5>latest Christmas episode is about the Beauty and the Beast
<v Speaker 5>Christmas theme to direct the video sequel. So who wouldn't
<v Speaker 5>want to learn more about that? Jeff and I do
<v Speaker 5>our own podcast, so usually on Tuesday and Thursday. Less
<v Speaker 5>than ten Dogs and gave us a size not this week.
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna be going to la very soon here, Jeff,
<v Speaker 5>I Ley tomorrow, So I gotta after this. I guy
<v Speaker 5>take penny to boarding. I gotta get some less minted
<v Speaker 5>things figured out. We might have a one more podcast
<v Speaker 5>or record today ourselves. So yeah, gotta be busy and
<v Speaker 5>then uh leaving tomorrow and then you blink and that
<v Speaker 5>whole thing will be over.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, looking forward to it, looking out to get
<v Speaker 2>out to LA with everybody. Uh seen you seeing all
<v Speaker 2>the seeing, all the crew and everybody. And yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>got a lot to do, but you're right, we'll blink
<v Speaker 2>and it'll be over. But everyone should tune in to
<v Speaker 2>GB at night on Wednesday, Uh, starting at five pm
<v Speaker 2>Pacific time, that's eight pm Eastern.
<v Speaker 1>We're going for quite some time after that. Uh. We
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a lot of people on the couch, a
<v Speaker 1>lot of.
<v Speaker 2>Familiar faces, a lot of new faces, some voice actors,
<v Speaker 2>some people nominated for Game Awards. It'll be a good time.
<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to it again. That's Wednesday. We'll be streaming
<v Speaker 2>at all the usual places. Uh, okay, new pool question.
<v Speaker 2>Have you played Marvel Rivals?
<v Speaker 1>Yes or no? We'll get the results of that.
<v Speaker 2>We'll discuss it here on Game mess Mornings on Giant
<v Speaker 2>Bomb at some point when.
<v Speaker 1>We get back, probably next Monday. So looking forward to that.
<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, I would love to do more Game
<v Speaker 2>Best Mornings when we're in LA. There's a possibility I
<v Speaker 2>might do one on Friday. No promises.
<v Speaker 1>I did.
<v Speaker 2>Emma talk to me. She's like, do you want to
<v Speaker 2>do it from the studio. I'm like, I could, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I could just do it.
<v Speaker 1>From the studio.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if we have other fires to put out,
<v Speaker 2>that might not happen. So again, no promises, but Friday
<v Speaker 2>morning looks like a time that we might be able
<v Speaker 2>to make it happen.
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see.
<v Speaker 2>I would love to talk to you all about what
<v Speaker 2>happened on the Game Awards and on Game mess Mornings
<v Speaker 2>later this week.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's see here. Anything else I need to
<v Speaker 1>touch on.
<v Speaker 2>I guess you know, just once again, Game of the
<v Speaker 2>Year stuff will be happening later this month. We're gonna
<v Speaker 2>have a top ten lists from contributors and all this stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I think, Mike, you and your brothers are going to
<v Speaker 2>do a list together.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm gonna see if I can wrote my brothers
<v Speaker 5>and doing one with me, because you were like, you
<v Speaker 5>told them, hey, you can each do a list you
<v Speaker 5>want to, and they're like, we're we're we're dads whose
<v Speaker 5>full time jobs don't involve video games. We didn't play
<v Speaker 5>ten games this year. I was like, don't worry, well,
<v Speaker 5>we'll do a mi naughty brother's list of some kind.
<v Speaker 1>That's perfect.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's get out of here. Mike, thank
<v Speaker 2>you so much for hanging out with me today and
<v Speaker 2>talking about video games.
<v Speaker 1>Man, I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's been wats I've done this show, actually, but
<v Speaker 5>it's always it's always a good time, especially this week
<v Speaker 5>since we're not doing our normal usual podcast anyway, so
<v Speaker 5>I still got to talk about some video game news
<v Speaker 5>with you here.
<v Speaker 4>It was good.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that was real good. Thank you all for listening
<v Speaker 2>and watching. You were the best audience in video games.
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself,
<v Speaker 2>and goodbye.