Final Fantasy 9 Anniversary Video Refuels Rumors Of A Remak

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, welcome to Game Mass Mornings with Me Jeff Grub,
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<v Speaker 2>that is launching soon. It's gonna be a good one
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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing.
<v Speaker 3>I am good, well rested. I know you and I
<v Speaker 3>are both back on vacation. We miss nothing, nothing of circumstance,
<v Speaker 3>and take a break. It was nothing at all. I
<v Speaker 3>come to you a humbled man as I As you know,
<v Speaker 3>I wear a lot of hats.
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<v Speaker 2>hours in a row, so that you can get us.
<v Speaker 3>One betrayed me betrayed me chat.
<v Speaker 1>Look at this. Look at this, the backwards tea sunburn.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody, You see the hat dots in my forehead if
<v Speaker 3>you look close enough. H that's what That's what happens
<v Speaker 3>when my wife stays home with one sick kid and
<v Speaker 3>I take the other kid to the beach and I
<v Speaker 3>you know, I run around with my head with a
<v Speaker 3>chicken with my head cut off but my hat still on,
<v Speaker 3>and uh yeah, not great. But that was the only
<v Speaker 3>blemish in what was a very relaxing, fun time in
<v Speaker 3>two different states, three different states, doing a whole bunch
<v Speaker 3>of cool stuff. I hope your vacation was good as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was great.
<v Speaker 2>It was really nice, relaxing is the right word. A
<v Speaker 2>bunch of beaches for the most part. Yeah, it's like
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel the need to ever really go to
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<v Speaker 1>It's really beautiful beaches.
<v Speaker 2>The water was warm that we even got one day
<v Speaker 2>where like there were really kind of intense waves, uh
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially they were like up to the kid's
<v Speaker 2>height and so they were like riding waves in and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. It was awesome, really good time. I feel,
<v Speaker 2>you know, not rested. Let's not kid ourselves, so I'm
<v Speaker 2>still taking care of two kids the entire time, but
<v Speaker 2>I feel, I don't know, some like exhaust has happened.
<v Speaker 2>I was able to just like let some stuff go
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<v Speaker 2>Morning Mess with the Stop Killing Games initiative has hit
<v Speaker 2>a major milestone, but the fight's just begun.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Jackson Chan at ngadget.
<v Speaker 2>A petition to preserve video game access recently achieved an
<v Speaker 2>important milestone of one million signatures that it has two
<v Speaker 2>more challenges to overcome before reaching the final level. Stop
<v Speaker 2>Killing Games a movement reached a million votes earlier this month,
<v Speaker 2>meaning the European Union will have to consider adopting legislation
<v Speaker 2>addressing this issue. However, the petition first has to deal
<v Speaker 2>with the threat of potentially fake signatures and the resistance
<v Speaker 2>from major game studios and publishers. As a reminder or
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess we might be introduced in some
<v Speaker 2>people to this because I've not talked about it on
<v Speaker 2>the show before, kind.
<v Speaker 1>Of like caught up on it late.
<v Speaker 2>It's a European initiative, Jason, so I just think it
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been in my orbit until the last couple of weeks.
<v Speaker 2>Really there was YouTuber drama and that's what got it
<v Speaker 2>in front of a lot of people. So, as always,
<v Speaker 2>things don't happen until there's YouTuber drama.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, seems to be the vehicle.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, and now we're here.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the initiative idea is these companies they
<v Speaker 2>can create these games, and what they can do is
<v Speaker 2>they could sell it to you, and then one day
<v Speaker 2>they could take away the servers that enable that game
<v Speaker 2>to run, and then they've taken away the thing that
<v Speaker 2>they've sold you. And what this initiative says is publishers
<v Speaker 2>have to account for that. They have to account for
<v Speaker 2>building their game in such a way that one day,
<v Speaker 2>when they turn off the servers, there is still something,
<v Speaker 2>whether that is an offline mode, a way for the
<v Speaker 2>ping to the server to like reach something else that
<v Speaker 2>just says hey, no, it's okay, keep playing the game
<v Speaker 2>in whatever mode you can, or to provide the tools so.
<v Speaker 1>The community can easily do this stuff themselves.
<v Speaker 2>It is, you know, relatively speaking, asking a lot from
<v Speaker 2>publishers who have not been asked to do a lot
<v Speaker 2>They just kind of make this stuff do what they
<v Speaker 2>want and we have to deal with it. And we
<v Speaker 2>don't get much of a say other than vote with
<v Speaker 2>your wallet, which really isn't voting at all. That's just
<v Speaker 2>buying stuff. And if you want to have an actual say,
<v Speaker 2>you got to get loud and you got to like that.
<v Speaker 2>This is what we do in America, Jason, Right, we
<v Speaker 2>get loud yelt these companies rewind, we complain, and it.
<v Speaker 1>Works a lot of times.
<v Speaker 2>In Europe they have somewhat functioning government regulations, regulators, and
<v Speaker 2>so they go to there and they go, hey, can
<v Speaker 2>we maybe get this considered? And these companies, every company
<v Speaker 2>basically is against this, is speaking out against it, and
<v Speaker 2>you could see why it is only going to cost
<v Speaker 2>them money.
<v Speaker 1>But not my problem, right, Jason.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. If I buy something from you, I expect
<v Speaker 3>it to work forever. Is that eve of me? I
<v Speaker 3>don't care.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>This is a This is an issue that is a
<v Speaker 3>more modern issue, with online games being more prevalent now
<v Speaker 3>than they ever were. I find it interesting that of
<v Speaker 3>all the games to have started this, it was the
<v Speaker 3>crew from you Be Soft that really kicked this thing off,
<v Speaker 3>and soon as of next year. As we learned last
<v Speaker 3>week while we were off, they're going to have a
<v Speaker 3>new anthem to rally around once that game gets shut down. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>this is something that I would endorse one hundred percent.
<v Speaker 3>I love the guy who was like, uh, oh, you
<v Speaker 3>have it. You do have the statement here. Private servers
<v Speaker 3>are not always a viable alternative options, as the protections
<v Speaker 3>we put in place to secure data, remove content, and
<v Speaker 3>combat unsaved community content would not exist and would leave
<v Speaker 3>rights for holders. Just stop, just stop. We get it.
<v Speaker 3>We know why you don't want this. You don't want
<v Speaker 3>to maintain the servers.
<v Speaker 1>Shut up.
<v Speaker 3>We know what the reason is, and we don't care.
<v Speaker 3>If we buy this game from you and we fall
<v Speaker 3>in love with it online. We want to play the
<v Speaker 3>fucking thing online. Let us keep doing it. It's really
<v Speaker 3>that simple. I know, these you know, financial types up
<v Speaker 3>in the U and the high offices like to make
<v Speaker 3>things a little more complicated because they want things that
<v Speaker 3>make the fuck the investors. I'm gona give a shit
<v Speaker 3>about them. If I buy your game and I try
<v Speaker 3>and log on and it doesn't work, I'm mad. I'm
<v Speaker 3>mad when it's out for an hour. Imagine how mad
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be if you turn my favorite game off.
<v Speaker 3>I'm still pissed off about multiverses and I can play
<v Speaker 3>that frigging game. So yeah, fuck off and just let
<v Speaker 3>us play our games. God damn it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It's the kind of thing where uh, okay, Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>can have your list of reasons why you think it's
<v Speaker 2>a bad idea, but none of those rank so high
<v Speaker 2>to me that it sounds like, well, this would be
<v Speaker 2>impossible to do, So why don't we let the regulators
<v Speaker 2>talk it out. Maybe there's a solution. Maybe there's an
<v Speaker 2>as is clause. You could play this game as is
<v Speaker 2>in it and at a certain point the publisher can
<v Speaker 2>say we wash our hands of it, and if something happens,
<v Speaker 2>you can't.
<v Speaker 1>We can't be you know, we're indemnified or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I've been in a lot of calls with lawyers, Jason,
<v Speaker 2>so I've got a lot of a lot of language
<v Speaker 2>I can use. Now, we're indemnified against you know, any
<v Speaker 2>sort of action or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>It's.
<v Speaker 2>That's probably not the answer, but maybe there's something along
<v Speaker 2>those lines to protect these companies if that's what they're
<v Speaker 2>really worried about, which, as you point out, we know
<v Speaker 2>that's not what they're really worried about.
<v Speaker 1>They're just worried about.
<v Speaker 2>Spending money, which I guess is, you know, maybe in
<v Speaker 2>a roundabout way, that's what they're really talking about here.
<v Speaker 2>So it's at one point two million ish signatures, I think, Jason,
<v Speaker 2>that's impressive. I'm sure a lot of those will get
<v Speaker 2>wiped out hopefully though that that's a buffer and really
<v Speaker 2>you could sign through the end of the month if
<v Speaker 2>you're in Europe, and if you're in America you can't sign.
<v Speaker 2>Don't go, don't even go try to sign. But if
<v Speaker 2>you're in Europe, you can sign, and you should do it.
<v Speaker 2>But I think, you know, really just the idea of yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it reached that threshold and that is that is the
<v Speaker 2>important threshold. But they will go through an official review
<v Speaker 2>of the signatures, and apparently they have tools or some
<v Speaker 2>methodology to get rid of fakeness fake signatures. Jason, What
<v Speaker 2>is it like they just look for, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>need a man to hug a kiss, names and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 3>Albert Wesker signing, you know, on the relic corporation corporation. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I like governments that use technology to make things more efficient. Man,
<v Speaker 3>what a what a feeling. I can't imagine what that's like. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I hope this. I hope this goes as far as
<v Speaker 3>it possibly can, to the point where there may be
<v Speaker 3>some sort of you can't see. My thing is, you
<v Speaker 3>can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't
<v Speaker 3>shut these servers off and say you can't play anymore
<v Speaker 3>and then not give people the opportunities to try and
<v Speaker 3>make their own private service. If they want to do it,
<v Speaker 3>let them do it. You're talking about the rights holders
<v Speaker 3>being liable. Who are the rights holders. It's the person
<v Speaker 3>that holds the private server. They take that risk. They
<v Speaker 3>clearly know the risk if they're going to make this
<v Speaker 3>private service like an.
<v Speaker 2>Age old thing right of communities keeping games alive.
<v Speaker 1>And this just has not been a problem. Man.
<v Speaker 2>Guess maybe maybe as far as I'm aware, I suppose
<v Speaker 2>maybe I missed something, But I think keep my ear
<v Speaker 2>to the ground. Someone who does spend a lot of
<v Speaker 2>time like applying mods to games and things like that,
<v Speaker 2>and these are things that like change the game fundamentally
<v Speaker 2>and could introduce elements that have nothing to do with
<v Speaker 2>what the publisher wanted or want wants.
<v Speaker 1>To be liable for. And it's just not been an issue.
<v Speaker 2>I think a big part of that is that the
<v Speaker 2>community is decent at self policing, and the other part
<v Speaker 2>of it is it's like, well, you know, I want
<v Speaker 2>to rip someone off, There easier ways to do it
<v Speaker 2>than starting up a modern server.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what comes to mind is the grand theft
<v Speaker 3>daughter roleplay community. Right, they're doing their own things on
<v Speaker 3>their own private servers. They're self policing. Someone very close
<v Speaker 3>to me, someone I know, ran a server for a
<v Speaker 3>long time, and I would hear both horror stories and
<v Speaker 3>great stories about that experience and what that person had
<v Speaker 3>to go through, both controversially with people who were, you know,
<v Speaker 3>causing a ruckus in his server and doing all what
<v Speaker 3>ever and people just kind of hanging out, having fun
<v Speaker 3>and vibing and streaming stuff from his RP server. That
<v Speaker 3>that's the look. Why can't every game do that? Why
<v Speaker 3>does it cost that much? Then again, rock Store basically
<v Speaker 3>their building is made of money at this point thanks
<v Speaker 3>to GTA Online, so they can afford that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 3>But if that's the blueprint, I mean, these companies can
<v Speaker 3>at least try to research a cheaper version of it.
<v Speaker 3>I don't see why they wouldn't I don't get.
<v Speaker 2>And then you know in chat, everyone's throwing out a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of reasons why these companies would be against this,
<v Speaker 2>trying to shure and it's all they care about the
<v Speaker 2>money and so yeah, and everyone's kind of circling around
<v Speaker 2>that idea. Still we get it for sure, I think.
<v Speaker 2>You know, on the other hand, you point it out Anthem,
<v Speaker 2>that's a game that like you could play that single player. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I get it's probably it's pinging a server the whole time,
<v Speaker 2>but what, like, what is really the barrier there between
<v Speaker 2>creating that mode.
<v Speaker 1>So that it can operate offline?
<v Speaker 2>And well, I'm sure that's just time money, and that's
<v Speaker 2>what you don't want to spend. There's no real excuse
<v Speaker 2>beyond that, like just lop off the online connection and
<v Speaker 2>let people play through the Anthem campaign by themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Or even like local co op or whatever however that's
<v Speaker 1>going to work a land play or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Does it seem like there's any these concerns for that
<v Speaker 2>for that sort of scenario.
<v Speaker 1>Again, it just comes back to what everyone's pointing out.
<v Speaker 1>They only care about the money, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the bottom line, it's the amount of money
<v Speaker 3>they don't want to invest, or they think they have
<v Speaker 3>to invest that they don't want to if they do
<v Speaker 3>the research and they realize, hey, maybe this isn't as
<v Speaker 3>expensive as we thought. Do we get someone doing that?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's not going to be Ubisoft. I'm
<v Speaker 3>assuming it's not going to be anybody represented by this
<v Speaker 3>advocacy group, mentions EA, mentionors Microsoft, who has their own
<v Speaker 3>set of problems, and Nintendo. Yeah, it seems the solution
<v Speaker 3>seems simple enough to me that there is probably a
<v Speaker 3>roadblock I would not consider, and it's likely financial, if
<v Speaker 3>I had to guess, the roadblock, as is being pointed out,
<v Speaker 3>is financial. So I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.
<v Speaker 3>I would love to see a solution here. Yes, do
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm going to see a solution here?
<v Speaker 1>No? No, I don't.
<v Speaker 2>As I said, you could sign through the end of
<v Speaker 2>the month, So go ahead and do that if this
<v Speaker 2>is something that sounds good to you, And really I
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the idea of putting video game publishers
<v Speaker 2>on their heels on this kind of stuff a little
<v Speaker 2>bit and just reminding them that, you know, you feel
<v Speaker 2>like you're in charge of this entire thing, but like
<v Speaker 2>you know this. The consumer base does have some say here,
<v Speaker 2>and so yet you have to answer to us a
<v Speaker 2>little bit. That doesn't sound too bad to me, now,
<v Speaker 2>all right, so let's get onto this next story. Internet slouths.
<v Speaker 2>I think Super Smash Brothers, Donkey Kong, sixty four and
<v Speaker 2>more are headed to Nintendo switch online.
<v Speaker 1>Why is that?
<v Speaker 2>For the answer, we go to Jason Fineli, a game spot.
<v Speaker 2>The Nintendo Internet sluths are at it again. In late May,
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo released a brief video detailing some of the new
<v Speaker 2>features coming to Nintendo Switch onlines Nintendo sixty four offerings
<v Speaker 2>like the CRT filter, which I enjoy quite a bit. However,
<v Speaker 2>that video may have contained more news than it seems,
<v Speaker 2>and a group of intrepid Internet users think they've cracked
<v Speaker 2>the code and revealed a few new games that may
<v Speaker 2>be on their way to n SOO in sixty four
<v Speaker 2>service Via igna group of fans led by VTuber immacooney
<v Speaker 2>have excuse Me, analyzed blurry cover art images shown at
<v Speaker 2>the forty second mark in the video below. By enhancing
<v Speaker 2>those blurred images and comparing them to images of Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>sixty four cover art, the group thinks they've unearthed five
<v Speaker 2>in sixty four games that aren't on the Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 2>Online service yet but could be coming soon. So just
<v Speaker 2>like a recap basically the video say hey, here's the features.
<v Speaker 2>And when you're in the n sixty four app or
<v Speaker 2>any of these games, there's like a settings menu that
<v Speaker 2>you can bring up, and it does sort of a
<v Speaker 2>shaded glass filter over the background so you can focus
<v Speaker 2>on the options that you could still kind of barely
<v Speaker 2>see the outlines of these in sixty four boxes and
<v Speaker 2>cover art in the background, And so people, as you
<v Speaker 2>said here in the article, have kind of put these
<v Speaker 2>things side by or on top of one another. I
<v Speaker 2>think Game Explained was doing some of that, and they
<v Speaker 2>found a couple of examples where it's like it can
<v Speaker 2>only be these games, and those games are Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 2>sixty four, for Saken sixty four, Glover, ray Man two,
<v Speaker 2>The Great Escape, and Super.
<v Speaker 1>Smash Brothers of the original. Yes, do you think this
<v Speaker 1>is pretty likely? To me? I see this and I'm like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that all sounds about right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the nice It's a healthy mix of inevitable
<v Speaker 3>first party titles and wacky what is for sake and
<v Speaker 3>sixty four doing here sort of selection that has defined
<v Speaker 3>Nintetta Switch Online on every platform for me so far.
<v Speaker 3>The method in which they do this, Like if you
<v Speaker 3>go into the thread on X there's a post that
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned in the article by a guy named Bittono Guau.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that and you're watching this.
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't embed it in the article because CMS is weird,
<v Speaker 3>but I did link to that particular post. He basically
<v Speaker 3>clipped or they clipped out the video and then they
<v Speaker 3>put the five box arts where they would be in
<v Speaker 3>this list, and I'm convinced it makes it makes sense
<v Speaker 3>to me. And yeah, it's the kind of, like I said,
<v Speaker 3>the kind of weird varied selection that these Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 3>Online offerings have been given so far. Uh yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I think this is very good detective work. I think
<v Speaker 3>Inspector Gadget was on the case and they figured it
<v Speaker 3>out and then now you know, doctor Claw Nintendos, I'll
<v Speaker 3>get you next time, Gadget, And that's very very very mad.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah cool. I think Dog Kong sixty four makes
<v Speaker 3>the most sense with oh yeah, yeah, but Jansa coming
<v Speaker 3>what next week?
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh?
<v Speaker 2>I think is the week? Next week? The week after
<v Speaker 2>like week and a half, right, Yeah, we're not that
<v Speaker 2>far away.
<v Speaker 1>God, that's no.
<v Speaker 2>You take a vacation and then you come back and
<v Speaker 2>you almost got Talky Kong. That's a man, I'm smart.
<v Speaker 2>Good movie, yeah, right, and then it's very smart and
<v Speaker 2>then so also too. And this is just a weird
<v Speaker 2>one off theory that I just came up with myself
<v Speaker 2>in this very moment. So there's five games here, right,
<v Speaker 2>but the way that they're positioned in the video, they're
<v Speaker 2>actually missing one, so it's like a full row, and
<v Speaker 2>then they're missing one and then the other two. So
<v Speaker 2>it kind of looks like a tetris piece, right if
<v Speaker 2>you go, if you go once a month, So July
<v Speaker 2>Donkey Kong sixty four, August Forsaken, September, Glover, October will
<v Speaker 2>be the one they're missing. November's ray Man two and
<v Speaker 2>December Super Smash Brothers A just in time for Christmas,
<v Speaker 2>and b December seventh was the release of Ultimate, so
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense to me too. If this is a
<v Speaker 2>pseudo released schedule as well. I don't know if that's
<v Speaker 2>the case obviously, but yeah, all of this makes a
<v Speaker 2>ton of sense. And I, as I put on Blue
<v Speaker 2>Sky Am Never it never ceases to impress me the
<v Speaker 2>depths that people will go to try and figure this
<v Speaker 2>stuff out. This video came out on May twenty sixth,
<v Speaker 2>and these people were posting this like last week. They
<v Speaker 2>have been working on this for over a month, and
<v Speaker 2>I salute you.
<v Speaker 1>It's good stuff. There's one. There's one other one where
<v Speaker 1>like people.
<v Speaker 2>Are a little bit less sure, and it's Scars, which
<v Speaker 2>is I can't remember what scar stands for, but it's
<v Speaker 2>like an anthropomorph No, it wouldn't be anthropomorphic because it's
<v Speaker 2>just animals that are cars, not animals that are people.
<v Speaker 1>Anthracar morphic and it is. Yeah, I like this game
<v Speaker 1>a lot.
<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's a weird There's a ton of in sixty
<v Speaker 2>four racing games, so it's not like very exciting.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't at the time either, but it actually plays
<v Speaker 1>pretty well.
<v Speaker 2>That one they're like fifty percent Sharon where the rest'
<v Speaker 2>is like, oh, it can basically basically.
<v Speaker 1>Only be these games. Jason. Now, I would be miss
<v Speaker 1>if I did not mention.
<v Speaker 2>That it's possible that these things are all just test
<v Speaker 2>games that Nintendo has in the background, that they have
<v Speaker 2>in a development of development environment. To test to see
<v Speaker 2>how the emulation works, and it's say, hey, these are
<v Speaker 2>some games that we know would test a certain part
<v Speaker 2>of the emulator, so we keep them in the tool,
<v Speaker 2>and that's what we were actually using when we made
<v Speaker 2>this video. I'm like, still pretty optimistic that all of
<v Speaker 2>these games will come to Nso there's not much of
<v Speaker 2>a reason. I mean, the third party games for Saken
<v Speaker 2>and Glover, maybe because they're third party and they don't
<v Speaker 2>have a deal, but also those are the, as you
<v Speaker 2>pointed out, right in the wheelhouse of the weird games
<v Speaker 2>that do tend to come to NSO. So I'm on
<v Speaker 2>the side of this is real and these games are
<v Speaker 2>coming to N sixty four NSO at some point.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I fall in that as well. And I like
<v Speaker 3>the idea of Scars because it came out in America
<v Speaker 3>on PlayStation at least in October, so it fits right
<v Speaker 3>into mind. I'm just making sure it fits intovice schedule
<v Speaker 3>as the October game. And also Super Computer Animal Racing
<v Speaker 3>Simulator starts their Computer Animal Racing Simulators. Man, everybody they
<v Speaker 3>did that whole console just had some weird ass great stuff,
<v Speaker 3>didn't it. Just some weird ass stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the most I've said it before, the
<v Speaker 2>most interesting console I really do think in sixty four
<v Speaker 2>is it's like it's a race between that and the Dreamcast.
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, for me, it's the n sixty four.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's see here, Yeah, let's do this one
<v Speaker 2>real quick. Final Fantasy nine anniversary video refuels rumors of
<v Speaker 2>a remake. This is from Jason Finelli, a game spot.
<v Speaker 2>In September twenty twenty one, a massive leak at video
<v Speaker 2>revealed multiple then unannounced projects, and as years have passed
<v Speaker 2>since the leak, all but one of the leaked titles
<v Speaker 2>associated with Squerrey Nix has been officially confirmed. That one
<v Speaker 2>is a remake of Final Fantasy nine, which is which
<v Speaker 2>is celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary today, and Square Enix
<v Speaker 2>has commemorated to milestone by fueling those remake rumors with
<v Speaker 2>a new anniversary video via VGC. The minute long video,
<v Speaker 2>set to the iconic song of Melodies of Life from
<v Speaker 2>the Final Fantasy nine soundtrack, runs through key moments from
<v Speaker 2>the ninth Final Fantasy Adventure, with shots of main characters
<v Speaker 2>Zindane Garnett, VV and Moore Pepper throughout the video ends
<v Speaker 2>with a new artwork from the team with the words
<v Speaker 2>Final Fantasy nine twenty fifth Anniversary. Including The video has
<v Speaker 2>intensified rumors of a remake, which began with the Nvidio League,
<v Speaker 2>with many wondering if the project is still in development.
<v Speaker 2>Prominent leaker Nate the Hate shout out to Nate, and
<v Speaker 2>a comment on reset Era thread about the video mentioned
<v Speaker 2>that perhaps the remake maybe don't no longer be coming.
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm like on the fence on this one, because
<v Speaker 2>you know, why do all this if you're not going
<v Speaker 2>to do something with Final Fantasy nine after working on
<v Speaker 2>it at one point, which we know the Nvidia League
<v Speaker 2>basically confirms they were considering it or working on it
<v Speaker 2>at one point, So why not do that if you're
<v Speaker 2>doing all this. On the other hand, if you're doing
<v Speaker 2>all this, why not just say you're making the damn game?
<v Speaker 2>Like Yeah, And at certain point, it's like if they
<v Speaker 2>have really dragged on with this teasing, right, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>It's shar off. The pot is what I is. The
<v Speaker 3>is the phrase that I used on Blue Sky that
<v Speaker 3>I have a friend, good friend of mine's name's Rich
<v Speaker 3>Final Faces nine is his game, Like he's got vv
<v Speaker 3>he's got tattoos, it's his game. He Ever since that
<v Speaker 3>Nvidia League he has talked about this thing, and he
<v Speaker 3>texted me this morning. He's like, what are we doing here?
<v Speaker 3>They're pissing me off. And he hadn't seen the article yet,
<v Speaker 3>so I sent it to him and he's like, wait, now,
<v Speaker 3>it's not happening. They just need to tell us. They
<v Speaker 3>just need to tell us. And I agree with that
<v Speaker 3>this whole, like, yeah, we're gonna celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary.
<v Speaker 3>We know these rumors are happening, but oh, we don't care.
<v Speaker 3>We can't acknowledge them. Just listen. I would prefer that
<v Speaker 3>you tell us that it's not happening anymore then to
<v Speaker 3>just keep dragging this along. And there are things that
<v Speaker 3>you can do. There's that mod for the Steam version,
<v Speaker 3>the mcgory mod, which is very good, the Memorial project,
<v Speaker 3>which is I don't know if that's still happening or not,
<v Speaker 3>but that has looked very, very impressive. Are there are
<v Speaker 3>going to be ways to play Final Fantasy nine up
<v Speaker 3>in an upscale way in the future, But if you're
<v Speaker 3>doing something official Square Buddy Pal, just fucking tell us
<v Speaker 3>we're here.
<v Speaker 1>Stop this.
<v Speaker 3>Stop all this nonsense, tell us what's going on with this?
<v Speaker 1>Uh?
<v Speaker 3>With this Final Fantasy nine rumored because and the list
<v Speaker 3>of eight games which is also here too, was Corona
<v Speaker 3>Cross Radical Dreamer. That happened Final Fantasy seven remake which
<v Speaker 3>was already announced at the time, so that I guess
<v Speaker 3>the PC version was that one. The nine remake, a
<v Speaker 3>Tactics remake which is the Ivilis Chronicles, which is the
<v Speaker 3>most recent one announced, Kingdom Heart's four, which was announced
<v Speaker 3>a couple months after the league, new strategy game which
<v Speaker 3>was the dea Field Chronicle, tech Zoga Reborn, and then
<v Speaker 3>unannounced card game which was Voice of Cards. The Forsaken
<v Speaker 3>madeen seven for eight of these square games in this
<v Speaker 3>league were became real. So where is the eighth one?
<v Speaker 3>And if it's not happening anymore, fine, just let these
<v Speaker 3>people off the hook. Why you let them go on
<v Speaker 3>with their lives and dream about the remake that ever was.
<v Speaker 3>But you gotta tell them, you gotta yes or no
<v Speaker 3>either way, Just give them the damn news and let
<v Speaker 3>them move on. It's like lost when they're in the sideways.
<v Speaker 3>They're all waiting to move on. When everybody gets back
<v Speaker 3>in the church. Just let them walk through the light.
<v Speaker 3>Damn it.
<v Speaker 2>Tell them, yeah, the flash sideways black and white and
<v Speaker 2>turns out. Now, Final Fantasy nine ain't happening.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I'm not sure, but if they're not
<v Speaker 2>doing it with all this stuff that is happening, and
<v Speaker 2>it kind of feels like, well, at the very least,
<v Speaker 2>do you want to like repromote or update, spruce up
<v Speaker 2>the ports that you've done to various platforms. You know,
<v Speaker 2>Final Fantasy nine is on Switch, it's on PC. You
<v Speaker 2>can play that game in a bunch of places. And
<v Speaker 2>as you're getting people pumped up about hey, remember how
<v Speaker 2>cool that game it was, there's a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>who are like, well, I haven't.
<v Speaker 1>Played it before, how can I play it?
<v Speaker 2>Like, to your point, they should tell people what's going
<v Speaker 2>on with this leak that happened years and years ago
<v Speaker 2>that people are counting on, especially after so many games
<v Speaker 2>have been confirmed. But short of that, if they don't
<v Speaker 2>want to do that, which they probably won't want to
<v Speaker 2>just say that publicly for whatever reason, companies are weird
<v Speaker 2>the very least, it's like, well, just tell people how
<v Speaker 2>should they go get Final Fantasy nine? If they want
<v Speaker 2>to go play that game. Now, what should they do?
<v Speaker 2>Is there a reason you're not saying just go get
<v Speaker 2>this port? Or are you saying that and I'm missing it?
<v Speaker 2>It just feels like communicate something, and you could tell
<v Speaker 2>us a lot by how you communicate where people should
<v Speaker 2>go play Final Fantasy.
<v Speaker 3>Nine And to our viewers here today, this is not
<v Speaker 3>an official thing, but if you want to know where
<v Speaker 3>you can play it. RPG site Great RPG website just
<v Speaker 3>did a comparing every version of Final Fantasy nine to
<v Speaker 3>tell you which one's the best one based thanks to
<v Speaker 3>the anniversary article went up earlier today that I read it.
<v Speaker 3>Its conclusion was the original PS one version if you can,
<v Speaker 3>if not, the MCGORI mod on Steam Deck is the
<v Speaker 3>best way to do it. But it lists every single
<v Speaker 3>version in where you can go, so just there you go,
<v Speaker 3>and it even lists like loading time comparisons and stuff
<v Speaker 3>like that. I may pick up the switch version for
<v Speaker 3>Switch to and just play that handheld and that'll be
<v Speaker 3>the way that I.
<v Speaker 1>Got the fast forward and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>It's got some yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved I loved
<v Speaker 3>Final Fantasy eights remastered to be able to fast forward
<v Speaker 3>some of the stuff that just feels like bloat after
<v Speaker 3>a while, and that's my favorite Final Fantasy, so I
<v Speaker 3>definitely do that for nine as well. But yeah, there
<v Speaker 3>are ways to play it. Can you tell people you
<v Speaker 3>let them know? Can you stop giving us brand new
<v Speaker 3>concept order, brand new pictures of these characters if it's
<v Speaker 3>not going to be made for an actual new game, please.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, It's it's frustrating. I wish I knew anybody who
<v Speaker 2>cared about Final Fantasy nine, but alas, I don't.
<v Speaker 1>Just trying to make Mike naughty mad. It's like his
<v Speaker 1>favorite dame.
<v Speaker 3>He's going to invade this man. I'm just gonna see
<v Speaker 3>the Torcado pop up and he's gonna start. I was
<v Speaker 3>not awake yet.
<v Speaker 1>He's never been up this early.
<v Speaker 2>If he was on this early, he could sometimes guest
<v Speaker 2>host this show, which has never happened. He did a
<v Speaker 2>great job everybody. I had a good time checking in
<v Speaker 2>on everything. Everyone did a great job.
<v Speaker 1>At Baby Steps video that they all did. That was hilarious. Itbscribed.
<v Speaker 1>I made my family watch a lot of that. We
<v Speaker 1>were all cracking up. It was very good.
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<v Speaker 2>that's Jason Finelli. Let's get right back into the news.
<v Speaker 1>Let's go here.
<v Speaker 2>Romero Games now completely closed following Microsoft cuts it's claim.
<v Speaker 1>So we were joking earlier. Nothing happened last week.
<v Speaker 2>Everything happened last week, and it's the thing that's been
<v Speaker 2>kind of like rolling through this industry for a while now,
<v Speaker 2>but it really seems to have come to a head
<v Speaker 2>at Microsoft Gaming last week. You know, massive cuts and
<v Speaker 2>people like frame it as it's a Microsoft thing kind
<v Speaker 2>of hitting Xbox, and clearly that's a big part of it.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 1>The story is they.
<v Speaker 2>Want to invest more in AI, and they've already invested
<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot into AI, so.
<v Speaker 1>Now they're like chasing down that. They're like kind of they're.
<v Speaker 2>Chasing their losses, right, They're gambling and they're chasing their
<v Speaker 2>losses of Hey, we spend a lot of money on
<v Speaker 2>AI and AI isn't making us money yet, but that's
<v Speaker 2>the growth opportunity. So let's go mortgage the house. Let's
<v Speaker 2>go to the pawn shop. Let's sell off what we can,
<v Speaker 2>let's close what we can. Stop spending money on things
<v Speaker 2>that are just kind of chugging along like game Pass,
<v Speaker 2>and instead let's go put that money that we would
<v Speaker 2>invest into trying to grow this thing that's struggling to
<v Speaker 2>grow into AI, which is the future question mark almost
<v Speaker 2>certainly not Yeah, okay, whatever, this got talked about a
<v Speaker 2>ton while we were gone. As part of this, we're
<v Speaker 2>kind of we continue to find out more. There is
<v Speaker 2>aspects of this that you know, don't come out in
<v Speaker 2>the first burst of news because people are like, oh, okay,
<v Speaker 2>well what does this mean for Xbox.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it also means a lot for across
<v Speaker 1>the industry.
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I got told while you know,
<v Speaker 2>it was on break, I wasn't like chasing anything down,
<v Speaker 2>but people are messaging me and stuff like that. One
<v Speaker 2>of the things I was told is you should look
<v Speaker 2>and see how many of like the support studios and
<v Speaker 2>tertiary studios and a contract studios have lost work because
<v Speaker 2>of this, Like just a massive number of outsourced studios
<v Speaker 2>that no longer getting that work from from Xbox. And
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like this is along those lines of Romero
<v Speaker 2>Games was making the first person shooter in Unreal and
<v Speaker 2>they were the funding was coming primarily from from Microsoft,
<v Speaker 2>and so they are, you know, outbreed this from Andy Robinson.
<v Speaker 1>Actually, let's get into that.
<v Speaker 2>Romero Games, the Ireland based studio founded by celebrated game
<v Speaker 2>designers John and Brenda Marrow, has now completely closed following
<v Speaker 2>this week's Microsoft cuts. It's claimed. On Wednesday, the studio
<v Speaker 2>confirmed it had lost funding for its unannounced shooter project.
<v Speaker 2>After an unnamed publisher later named Devis, Microsoft pulled a
<v Speaker 2>publishing agreement. It later emerged that employees had lost their
<v Speaker 2>jobs after they posted messages on LinkedIn.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>One employee has claimed that the studio has been closed entirely,
<v Speaker 2>all of it's over one hundred staff members losing their jobs.
<v Speaker 2>Speaking to the Journal of the anonymous Romero game staff
<v Speaker 2>member described the situation as a big shock. Everyone is
<v Speaker 2>out of a job. They said, we had meetings with
<v Speaker 2>the publisher of the day before this happened. There was
<v Speaker 2>no mention of it. It seems so far, It seems
<v Speaker 2>so far away for us. The title was pretty well
<v Speaker 2>developed at the time.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean what that says to me is the
<v Speaker 2>people who were having the meeting with them didn't know
<v Speaker 2>this was going to happen.
<v Speaker 3>Either, So I hope so he use if they did,
<v Speaker 3>that's fucking yeah.
<v Speaker 1>That's like a demon.
<v Speaker 2>I can't be in that person, right, You would have
<v Speaker 2>to be a literal demon to do something like that,
<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe so, uh yeah, I am. I just
<v Speaker 2>want cool games to be able to get made, and
<v Speaker 2>I thought the whole idea of all of this was
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft would be able to enable that to happen. And
<v Speaker 2>you know what's gonna happen here, right, is like in
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years, they're going to turn around and
<v Speaker 2>want to like start doing stuff just like this again,
<v Speaker 2>and everyone's gonna be like, what the hell, why didn't
<v Speaker 2>you just continue making the game with John Romero a
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, Because now you're like, hey, we
<v Speaker 2>wish we had more games because we got bored with
<v Speaker 2>AI and we're turning back to something that actually does
<v Speaker 2>kind of make money, like Xbox, and you're gonna look
<v Speaker 2>like damn fools, But of course they don't care. It
<v Speaker 2>is short term profits, short term, short term thinking, and
<v Speaker 2>it's been disastrous.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And there's all the way to put it. I
<v Speaker 3>also enjoy taking my hard earned money and throwing it
<v Speaker 3>into a hole in the ground, So I don't. I
<v Speaker 3>saw the news last Wednesday in Disney World on my
<v Speaker 3>wife's birthday, and I'm just like Jesus Christ. I it
<v Speaker 3>if someone in this point has come across my social
<v Speaker 3>media feed since this happened, if this can happen to
<v Speaker 3>John Romero, John and Brenda Romero, stalwarts in this industry,
<v Speaker 3>names that have been around since damn near the beginning.
<v Speaker 3>What chance does a brand new developer have, who gets chance,
<v Speaker 3>who gets tied into a big publisher like this, thinking
<v Speaker 3>they have the golden road, only to have that those
<v Speaker 3>gold bricks be painted yellow and ripped out right from
<v Speaker 3>underneath them. It is awful, it's sad, it's heartbreaking. And
<v Speaker 3>now you have, and I've said this before with other layoffs,
<v Speaker 3>not only do you have the people who are now
<v Speaker 3>looking for new jobs in the industry you're looking for,
<v Speaker 3>you have people who no longer have jobs in the
<v Speaker 3>industry and aren't coming back. So the industry just loses
<v Speaker 3>that talent. Oh, it goes elsewhere?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Why why?
<v Speaker 3>Especially you know if this is something that was like
<v Speaker 3>a dream job for you and it became a nightmare
<v Speaker 3>because of something you didn't even do. And if we
<v Speaker 3>continue down this article, here was working in a first
<v Speaker 3>person shooter made in UI five. There is a chance
<v Speaker 3>another publisher could swoop in. But right now the operations
<v Speaker 3>have ended, so this one might And this was when
<v Speaker 3>the article was written. I don't know where we are now.
<v Speaker 2>If there's anything to come out, since I understand is
<v Speaker 2>John Romero's out there hitting the pavement trying to trying
<v Speaker 2>to find that money. Good and good, he should and good,
<v Speaker 2>but there ain't it ain't it ain't out there. That
<v Speaker 2>money ain't out there.
<v Speaker 1>That's no one. No one's funding games right now. It
<v Speaker 1>is low tide for that part of the industry of
<v Speaker 1>trying to find money.
<v Speaker 2>To make a game like this, you sort of have
<v Speaker 2>to bootstrap, which is you know, hard to do, fund
<v Speaker 2>yourself basically what that means, and then hope for the
<v Speaker 2>best make a game completely on spec. You can't do
<v Speaker 2>that with one hundred person studio, right that, that's not
<v Speaker 2>how that works. John Romero made a lot of money
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. He can't fund a hundred person
<v Speaker 2>studio on his own. That this is something that has
<v Speaker 2>to be like an investment from the outside. And Microsoft
<v Speaker 2>was there saying they were doing that, and then they
<v Speaker 2>pulled the plug and now he's got to go find
<v Speaker 2>someone else that can kind of pick up the slack there,
<v Speaker 2>and there's just.
<v Speaker 1>Not going to be anyone.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe there will be, but it's like your
<v Speaker 2>point originally and as the you know, we were reading
<v Speaker 2>the story, John Rameiro maybe could make that happen.
<v Speaker 3>What chance does anyone else have exactly that money zero
<v Speaker 3>and as as Lexi is putting out in chat, shout Lexie, hellay.
<v Speaker 3>Everything they did for the wider Irish games industry, which
<v Speaker 3>I really only know about because of lex Let's be real.
<v Speaker 3>But the way that that that that they have spoken
<v Speaker 3>about the Romeros and and how much they have meant
<v Speaker 3>to that area, that community that potentially being lost as well.
<v Speaker 3>Who knows what projects we could have seen that we're
<v Speaker 3>not going to now see see from that, I'm curious,
<v Speaker 3>do you have that chainsawl RealD that the autograph?
<v Speaker 1>Right? I don't know, people get people can't see it.
<v Speaker 3>I see it.
<v Speaker 1>You could see it. It's right there.
<v Speaker 3>Yah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I just had a frame hanging up on
<v Speaker 1>the wall.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It just it just sucks.
<v Speaker 3>The whole thing sucks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's also like, you know, looking back reading like
<v Speaker 1>Masters of Doom.
<v Speaker 2>And realizing just how insane and kind of uh toxic
<v Speaker 2>in their twenties these guys were, and and and then
<v Speaker 2>over time watching John Romero kind of become a pretty
<v Speaker 2>cool dude, Like there was always a cool dude underneath,
<v Speaker 2>but like really turning into a cool dude who's like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna help my wife and my kids make games.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to kind of just kind of go
<v Speaker 1>in the background. We're gonna move to Ireland and just
<v Speaker 1>kind of be chill.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I have a real soft spot
<v Speaker 2>for John Romero, especially after playing Dikatana and just kind
<v Speaker 2>of then reading Masters of Doom and be like, man, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he really went through it and tried some stuff, and
<v Speaker 2>then especially by comparison to John Carmack who's turned into
<v Speaker 2>a tool or has unleashed his inner tool, and just
<v Speaker 2>being like, man, I want nothing but good things for
<v Speaker 2>for John Romero and the people he works with.
<v Speaker 1>So uh yeah, fuck Microsoft.
<v Speaker 2>This is such the short shortsightedness. And you know, my
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is, I don't really know what they bring
<v Speaker 2>to this industry other than their money. So if you're
<v Speaker 2>not if you're not going to bring your money and
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to pay people, we don't need you.
<v Speaker 2>Like you're like the cool games that I'm playing that
<v Speaker 2>most people care about, we're not coming from you originally.
<v Speaker 2>And and as you start to get your feet underneath
<v Speaker 2>you Microsoft and put out decent games in the last
<v Speaker 2>couple of years cool, it seems to require a ton
<v Speaker 2>of effort to get that to happen whatever, but it
<v Speaker 2>was still just a couple of games, and the vast
<v Speaker 2>majority of cool things happening in the industry were happening
<v Speaker 2>at places that were not owned by Microsoft. And so
<v Speaker 2>what do you bring and it's it's to me. The
<v Speaker 2>answer is not much at all other than your money.
<v Speaker 2>So if you're not going to pay for people to
<v Speaker 2>make make cool stuff, then yeah, just get out of here.
<v Speaker 2>It is a pointless it's a pointless endeavor and a
<v Speaker 2>pointless company if you are not going to use your
<v Speaker 2>vast fortunes to.
<v Speaker 3>Make cool I agree hundred percent and real quick. Dan
<v Speaker 3>Reikert in the chat said Ireland is not part of
<v Speaker 3>the UK. If that's something I said, yes, I am
<v Speaker 3>very sorry. I don't know if that was me, that
<v Speaker 3>was my Now, please stop, Jason.
<v Speaker 2>This is a reference to Dan Rykert talking to super
<v Speaker 2>Eye Patchwolf, an irishman on trucks.
<v Speaker 1>I did miss I missed, okay, and not knowing.
<v Speaker 2>That Ireland for very specific reasons, it's not part of
<v Speaker 2>the UK. Oh god only, and mildly the most infuriating
<v Speaker 2>thing I heard all week.
<v Speaker 3>Can can we do like a dan geography bee or something?
<v Speaker 1>It's like he was like, oh I did. I've never
<v Speaker 1>learned it.
<v Speaker 2>It's like everyone points out Danny O'Dwyer has almost certainly
<v Speaker 2>told him this stuff a thousand times.
<v Speaker 3>But when I say Dan geography be I don't mean
<v Speaker 3>like an actual geography test of Dan. I mean like
<v Speaker 3>we try and draw maps based on where Dan thinks
<v Speaker 3>things are.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now that's good, we can do that for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Let's see what happens, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know more fallout from all this, Forts and Motorsport is
<v Speaker 2>quote no more, claiming former Turntent employee. Following Microsoft cuts
<v Speaker 2>from Ed Nightingale at Eurogamer, Forts and Motorsport is no more.
<v Speaker 2>According to a former employee, Fred Russell, who worked at
<v Speaker 2>the studio as content coordinator for four years until twenty sixteen,
<v Speaker 2>shared a post on Facebook with images from across his
<v Speaker 2>time working on the series. Turnton Studios has shuttered the
<v Speaker 2>Forts and Motorsport space and the team is no more.
<v Speaker 2>He said, a very sad day for one of the
<v Speaker 2>best car racing video games. I loved my time there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this is like so shocking because Forts and Motorsport is
<v Speaker 2>like one of those pillars for Microsoft. It's Halo, Gears
<v Speaker 2>of War and fortsa for a long time. That's all
<v Speaker 2>they had for a long time. Every two years there
<v Speaker 2>was a new Forts and Motorsport. Every two years, it
<v Speaker 2>was this event, and it did really well. I reviewed
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them back in the day and really
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed those games, you know, even though sim racing not
<v Speaker 2>my biggest thing, but I always had a good time
<v Speaker 2>with Forts and Motorsport because they were so well made
<v Speaker 2>and presented so well. Last one did miss the mark,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in terms of I think critical reception, in
<v Speaker 2>terms of commercial reception, for sure, it just didn't seem
<v Speaker 2>to find an audience. And now here we are, Microsoft
<v Speaker 2>is like, well, we're not going to try that again
<v Speaker 2>anytime soon. And I think this goes right back to
<v Speaker 2>the last story. We're like, we know, and a couple
<v Speaker 2>of years they're going to be.
<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, what we should do. We should make
<v Speaker 1>a new Forts and Motorsport.
<v Speaker 2>And it's going to be really hard for them to
<v Speaker 2>get to spool that up and get it going again
<v Speaker 2>because they're getting rid of the people who made those games.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I mentioned earlier, the people with the talent
<v Speaker 3>I meant that are leaving the industry and not coming back.
<v Speaker 3>That's both up and coming, and those with the knowledge
<v Speaker 3>right long been with the studio for a decade, multiple
<v Speaker 3>people who have been here for multiple years. It makes
<v Speaker 3>no sense to me. So what I need to know?
<v Speaker 3>I need to know how these decisions are being made,
<v Speaker 3>because this horizon is fun. Sure, but the reason horizon
<v Speaker 3>gets there is because you have the Motorsport pure simulation
<v Speaker 3>to Chuck. Chuck depose it with and you you offer
<v Speaker 3>both to both people. I don't understand how you could
<v Speaker 3>eliminate one of the three Microsoft pillars, and of the three,
<v Speaker 3>as you said, Halo was coming from somewhere else and
<v Speaker 3>they picked it up. Is this the the only one
<v Speaker 3>of those three that may have been just within maybe
<v Speaker 3>Gears of War? But even then that was Cliffy and
<v Speaker 3>uh and uh were they were there? They're called it epic, right?
<v Speaker 3>So what are we doing here?
<v Speaker 1>How?
<v Speaker 3>How is Phil Spencer still there?
<v Speaker 1>Can you answer that? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>So that, like, let's get into the other stuff that
<v Speaker 2>I've been kind of hearing. I don't think he's there
<v Speaker 2>for much longer. But the rumor, the rumors of him
<v Speaker 2>leaving soon, I've heard those as well. I think they're
<v Speaker 2>probably correct. You know, everyone answers to him, so he
<v Speaker 2>should be the one that gets most of the flak here.
<v Speaker 2>But also, you know a lot of these decisions were
<v Speaker 2>Matt Booty and the way he runs studios, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't want anyone to like not get their flat that
<v Speaker 2>they're due his idea of just kind of letting these
<v Speaker 2>studios figure things out on their own and sure if
<v Speaker 2>they would go ask for money, and he would often say, yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, pretty cool, but there was no sort of direction,
<v Speaker 2>and there was no sort of even not even direction,
<v Speaker 2>There was no sort of like understandable goalpost of hey,
<v Speaker 2>if we do this in a certain direction and we
<v Speaker 2>achieve a certain you know, threshold of Metacritic or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>you'll be happy with it. It was always go make
<v Speaker 2>what you want, Just go make what you want to make,
<v Speaker 2>which sounds great, it's fine, yes, But it became this
<v Speaker 2>sort of it became this sort of chain around a
<v Speaker 2>lot of these studios next of okay, we're gonna go
<v Speaker 2>do what we want then and then they come back
<v Speaker 2>to Microsoft, or Microsoft comes back that studio a year
<v Speaker 2>later and is upset at what they have done. So wait, what,
<v Speaker 2>like I thought you wanted us to make what we
<v Speaker 2>wanted to make, and some studios have that figured out.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think a double fine seems to be
<v Speaker 2>a situation where it's like, you know, we're delivering critically
<v Speaker 2>acclaimed games and they're the right budget and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>We can navigate this. Tim Shaffer's been doing this a
<v Speaker 2>long time, right, he can. He probably can sniff out
<v Speaker 2>where he needs to be headed. But not everyone's got
<v Speaker 2>a Tim Schaefer, and a lot of these studios have
<v Speaker 2>got to kind of figure this stuff out on their own,
<v Speaker 2>and they everyone's sort of ending up falling into that
<v Speaker 2>pit of Microsoft not really knowing what to do with them,
<v Speaker 2>and Microsoft definitely not giving them an idea of what
<v Speaker 2>they want done.
<v Speaker 3>No, And I'm curious what your thought is about because
<v Speaker 3>people are saying Phil, people are saying Booty, but also
<v Speaker 3>Nadella above them. How much of this do you think?
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it falls on him or is it
<v Speaker 2>extrictly guy sounds it sounds like he might be insane
<v Speaker 2>now because he's like, like the reporting around him is
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's got eight different AI agents working with
<v Speaker 2>him all day that he has doing all his work,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, what the hell are you talking about
<v Speaker 2>man that you can't get AI to write a note
<v Speaker 2>without you having to like do everything for it.
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you know, maybe he's got the special
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft Copilot. I doubt that it's all that much better
<v Speaker 2>at making these kinds of decisions. And here we are,
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I mean, it's all one big mess for sure.
<v Speaker 2>And you know the people are like want to throw
<v Speaker 2>game Pass under the bus, and it'say, yeah, I mean, look,
<v Speaker 2>when it comes down to how this happened, they wanted
<v Speaker 2>to put more money into AI, and the last thing
<v Speaker 2>was game pass. Game Bass was the last thing, and
<v Speaker 2>it did not do what it needed to do. It
<v Speaker 2>did not like they they had ideas of it getting
<v Speaker 2>like a hundred million subscribers. It's not going to get
<v Speaker 2>a hundred million subscribers. Phil Spencer Nadela had their bonuses
<v Speaker 2>attached to the adoption of game Pass. It didn't get
<v Speaker 2>those bonuses. That's the old thing. That is the last initiative,
<v Speaker 2>and it did not do what they needed it to
<v Speaker 2>do for them to make the money that they wanted
<v Speaker 2>to make. And so, for all intents and purposes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>this is about a this is a game pass problem.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think they have moved on from game
<v Speaker 1>Pass in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 2>But they have not found out at Xbox Microsoft Gaming,
<v Speaker 2>what the next big growth opportunity is other than let's
<v Speaker 2>continue to cash those call of duty checks and do
<v Speaker 2>more with call of duty.
<v Speaker 1>In a lot of ways, it feels like Xbox is
<v Speaker 1>now just become Activision.
<v Speaker 2>And I think the promise of the acquisition was that
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft would tamper down the bad, the best sort of
<v Speaker 2>the toxicness of what Activision was, and maybe in some
<v Speaker 2>ways it has in terms of how it treats people,
<v Speaker 2>but in terms of how it makes decisions about making games,
<v Speaker 2>it feels like Activision is sort of overtaking the host.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>If there's not quick not that like Xbox didn't have
<v Speaker 2>this in then that's not what I'm saying. It just
<v Speaker 2>like feels like the call of duty ness there, like
<v Speaker 2>you can't ignore that. That's like that is the big
<v Speaker 2>parasite that is overtaking the host.
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, No.
<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying is you say Xbox treats people better,
<v Speaker 3>it's about over nine thousand people that might disagree with
<v Speaker 3>you at the moment. But going back to game Pass
<v Speaker 3>real quick. Rafael cal Antonio, who hit the name of
<v Speaker 3>his Wolf's Eye studio, I think made Weird West. I
<v Speaker 3>believe he he had tweeted or he had posted on
<v Speaker 3>x why is no one talking about the elephant in
<v Speaker 3>the room caf cough game Pass? And then somebody asked
<v Speaker 3>him what he meant by that, and he said, I
<v Speaker 3>think game Pass is an unsustainable monable that has increasingly
<v Speaker 3>damaged the industry for a decade, subsidized by MS's infinite money.
<v Speaker 3>But at some point reality has to hit. I don't
<v Speaker 3>think GP can go exist with other models to either
<v Speaker 3>kill everyone else or just give up. And then he
<v Speaker 3>continues again, I'm fed up with all the bs they
<v Speaker 3>fed us at first like don't worry, it doesn't impact sales,
<v Speaker 3>only to admit years later that it totally does. No shit,
<v Speaker 3>it does. Really, So it seems like the underlying problems
<v Speaker 3>with game Pass that were always shoved under the rug
<v Speaker 3>are now starting to come to a head two, especially
<v Speaker 3>now if the developers are starting to become more vocal
<v Speaker 3>about this, and at this rate, I don't know that.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that we see Microsoft in gaming for
<v Speaker 3>in like what ten years, twenty years, they're out, there's
<v Speaker 3>completely out.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think I mean? I think like at
<v Speaker 1>this point the.
<v Speaker 2>Sort of table stakes of how much they have invested
<v Speaker 2>into acquiring activision stuff like that kind of I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they could try to spin the stuff off.
<v Speaker 1>I suppose maybe maybe that's what happens.
<v Speaker 2>So the clearly the efforts they put into gaming over
<v Speaker 2>the last ten years are not going to be matchup
<v Speaker 2>by the effort they put in the next the next
<v Speaker 2>ten years. So a slow sort of waning of what
<v Speaker 2>Xbox is. It feels like it's already begun. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>think that can that trend continues, whether they get My
<v Speaker 2>guess here, Jason, is that they a couple of years
<v Speaker 2>when the AI you know, investor train pulls off the tracks,
<v Speaker 2>because it's like, you know, they can only sort of
<v Speaker 2>get those buzzwords going for so long before it really
<v Speaker 2>does to start making real money, and can it make
<v Speaker 2>real money is still a massive question. And when if
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't, then they start looking around for what else
<v Speaker 2>can we do to keep investors happy? Well, we're turning
<v Speaker 2>back to entertainment. Games people spend even hard times, people
<v Speaker 2>want to entertain their hobby. I think they try to
<v Speaker 2>turn back to games at that point. The problem is
<v Speaker 2>it's like the market is shifting so hard where you know,
<v Speaker 2>we're like the people listening to the show, we're getting
<v Speaker 2>older as an audience, and the kinds of people who
<v Speaker 2>buy video games getting older, and then there's a whole
<v Speaker 2>new audience and people who do not buy video games.
<v Speaker 2>They play free to play games and they buy skins
<v Speaker 2>and things like that and whatever. I'm not saying to
<v Speaker 2>anything about those people. I'm just saying that the the
<v Speaker 2>target for Okay, now we're turning back to games. Where
<v Speaker 2>do we focus our efforts. You know, the hope of
<v Speaker 2>game pass was you could fund a bunch of different
<v Speaker 2>kinds of games and all that content would benefit one another.
<v Speaker 2>And we can get a lot of different kinds of
<v Speaker 2>video games. And I think when they come back, it'll
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, can we turn call of duty into roadblocks?
<v Speaker 1>Can we have? Can we turn call of duty into
<v Speaker 1>the community servers that are on grand theft auto or
<v Speaker 1>something like that? And that's not to me.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fundamentally and just demonstrably worse like for
<v Speaker 2>what we are, like can expect from getting from video games,
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of someone to be able to make
<v Speaker 2>something that can stand on its own, not be what
<v Speaker 2>is effectively a paid mod inside another video game. So
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna be messy either way, and the
<v Speaker 2>like you know, it's never gonna be the Xbox three
<v Speaker 2>sixty ever again, no, never, ever again.
<v Speaker 3>Simple and for the simple reason that the trust is eroded,
<v Speaker 3>Like how many times do they think that they can
<v Speaker 3>pivot out and pivot act back in and pivot out
<v Speaker 3>and pit back, pivot back in. We're only their most
<v Speaker 3>loyal followers continue to support what they do. The common
<v Speaker 3>the layman, the common video game guy, or the person
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't care about brand loyalty and just wants to
<v Speaker 3>play everything, which is where I think you and I
<v Speaker 3>would fall. They're not good. They're gonna have a side
<v Speaker 3>eye every time Microsoft says, hey, we're coming back with
<v Speaker 3>a console or a new franchise, I think of the
<v Speaker 3>games to the fact that they had to come out
<v Speaker 3>and say that everything that was shown in their Xbox
<v Speaker 3>showcase is still scheduled as planned should tell you everything
<v Speaker 3>you need to know about the state of video games in.
<v Speaker 1>Xbox right now.
<v Speaker 3>They had an hour and a half presentation and then
<v Speaker 3>not a month later or just barely a month later,
<v Speaker 3>had to say, don't worry. All those games are still
<v Speaker 3>coming out. What the hell are we doing here?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know in Xbox area. Chap points out the
<v Speaker 2>casual gamer doesn't know anyone was fired. That's not the
<v Speaker 2>erosion of trust I'm thinking of. I'm thinking, Oh no,
<v Speaker 2>the people have to make games, uh, people who you know,
<v Speaker 2>who have to sort of build a consensus or build
<v Speaker 2>a team underneath Microsoft going forward, Like you have to
<v Speaker 2>tell a story, right, you'd be like, look, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>come together and we're gonna make something together, and we
<v Speaker 2>have this backer that believes in us. Wait wait, I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna raise man. Do they believe in us for now?
<v Speaker 2>And next week we could be different? And what do
<v Speaker 2>you say that other than well, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe, and who's gonna work?
<v Speaker 1>You know what?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know if they believe in us at all.
<v Speaker 2>I just have to say that so you all can
<v Speaker 2>come to work and make something. That's the only way
<v Speaker 2>anything gets done is you believe in a story, so
<v Speaker 2>that that trust is done. And you know, money can
<v Speaker 2>money could talk and can fix a lot, But boy,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it can fix this.
<v Speaker 1>This This is a real mess. All right, let's see here,
<v Speaker 1>let's get these last couple of stories.
<v Speaker 2>Switch Port Studio compares switch to to both PS four
<v Speaker 2>and Xbox Series S basically as someone who works at
<v Speaker 2>virtuos or studio that is, like a subsidiary of Virtual
<v Speaker 2>who does a ton of major ports to the switch
<v Speaker 2>and it's now begun that work on the switch too,
<v Speaker 2>has looked at it, like, look, as far as the
<v Speaker 2>GPU goes, this thing is right behind an Xbox Series S,
<v Speaker 2>which is impressive. It's not what we're hearing. We're hearing
<v Speaker 2>this thing would be about a PS four And when
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the CPU, yes, it's about it's about
<v Speaker 2>a PS four, But back to the GPU, like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>it's about it's almost powerful, as powerful as a Xbox
<v Speaker 2>Series S, but it has features that the Xbox Series
<v Speaker 2>S does not have, like DLSS. So basically, anything that
<v Speaker 2>can run at sixty frames per second or thirty frames
<v Speaker 2>per second with some optimizations on Series.
<v Speaker 1>S should work great on the switch To. And so okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's pretty good news.
<v Speaker 2>And then if it's CPU bound, which is maybe something
<v Speaker 2>that's like maybe that's what's happening with that Hitman port
<v Speaker 2>that like that was kind of running like a little
<v Speaker 2>bit rougher than I was expecting. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>simulation happening in that game that's probably happening on the CPU,
<v Speaker 2>so I bet that's holding it back a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>So it's not going to be perfect, but I definitely
<v Speaker 2>feel like the switch to is powerful enough to set
<v Speaker 2>itself up for the next eight years, right, Like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it'll probably get pretty shaky at the end, but eight
<v Speaker 2>years sounds about right to me.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that the the real test is like
<v Speaker 3>a year from now to see what kind of games
<v Speaker 3>are being developed or what people are saying now that
<v Speaker 3>more that dev kits are more prevalent throughout the entire industry.
<v Speaker 3>This is hearing GPU is slightly below the series is
<v Speaker 3>a good thing, I think, because everyone thought it was
<v Speaker 3>going to be more akin to the PS four or
<v Speaker 3>a generation ago. So to hear that it might actually
<v Speaker 3>be on par if not a little less than something
<v Speaker 3>that is technically current. And you know, quick side note,
<v Speaker 3>Microsoft also shooting themselves in the foot by offering the
<v Speaker 3>cheaper option at giving Nintendo a better comparison is just funny.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's good news. It's good news for the switch
<v Speaker 3>it's good news for the switch to, it's good news
<v Speaker 3>for the people who want to develop for it. But
<v Speaker 3>as you said, this tains more to how the games look,
<v Speaker 3>not so much how the games play, and if the
<v Speaker 3>games have a lot of technical demands under the hood
<v Speaker 3>from a CPU standpoint, we might not see those get
<v Speaker 3>poured it over. But I yeah, I mean, I think
<v Speaker 3>this is generally better news than what we expected in
<v Speaker 3>the lead.
<v Speaker 1>Up to the launch. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And to our own horns Sean Turbot, Shawn and Chat's
<v Speaker 2>point out, like me and when me and A've talked
<v Speaker 2>about this on like game mess and stuff like that, it's, uh,
<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what we're trying to tell people.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, this thing is going to be right there,
<v Speaker 1>especially with all the GPU features from Nvidia.
<v Speaker 2>And Happy is happy to kind of see that play
<v Speaker 2>out because I like my Switch to a ton played
<v Speaker 2>it a lot over the break. It was like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>oh man, nso is here summer summer vacation for me?
<v Speaker 2>Jason is an e S. I want to play any
<v Speaker 2>S games. I want to go in from the pool,
<v Speaker 2>go in from the beach, go get a CRT, which
<v Speaker 2>I did take home a giant CRT for my uncle
<v Speaker 2>in law's house by the way, and that was that.
<v Speaker 2>Steps like, how're you gonna fitness in the car? I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>shut up, you don't need to worry about it.
<v Speaker 1>I got this. Oh I'm getting yell that right now.
<v Speaker 1>I've fitted did and I it all worked out anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, live commentary from the part that's a new one.
<v Speaker 1>She knows what's up.
<v Speaker 2>I beat Rygar on my break and that was pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>We switched to Fantastic Sweet right, last couple of stories here.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to hit these quick. Jan take Destiny
<v Speaker 2>to or test Destiny to go in August with new
<v Speaker 2>mobile game Destiny Rising from Lane Pits, a game spot. Basically, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this is out August twenty eighth. They gave it a
<v Speaker 2>date iOS and Android. It's at August twenty eight, surprising
<v Speaker 2>some players who theorized it would not come out until
<v Speaker 2>early next year, which I think I heard at some point.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, that's coming out quite some time
<v Speaker 2>down the road. This could always be like a softish
<v Speaker 2>launch where they're like, let's just kind of build things
<v Speaker 2>up slowly.
<v Speaker 1>This is the net ease game, the one.
<v Speaker 2>That is primarily made by net Ease, with some supervisory
<v Speaker 2>roles from people at Bungee.
<v Speaker 3>Any interest in this one, No, but sorry, I just
<v Speaker 3>I know there are a couple of buzzwords that I
<v Speaker 3>keep these things at arms length. RPG, shooter, mobile net
<v Speaker 3>E's to a point, some of Nettie's games can be
<v Speaker 3>really good. But like I just there's a lot of
<v Speaker 3>red flags for me having covered mobile gaming extensively in
<v Speaker 3>the past, I'm just gonna keep this at arms length.
<v Speaker 3>This is also the people now. Diablo Immortal and Marvel
<v Speaker 3>Rivals came out and they were great, don't get me wrong,
<v Speaker 3>and I could be very much wrong with this one too.
<v Speaker 3>I just I just I just need to see it first.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to jump in with feet first in
<v Speaker 3>the very beginning, but you know, if it comes out
<v Speaker 3>and people are starting to like it, maybe I'll go, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>all right, let's see what's going on.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Also, Destiny is in a weird spot to the point
<v Speaker 2>when you bring up Bungie and Chat's just like clowning
<v Speaker 2>on them. Of course, you are, like, what's every story
<v Speaker 2>out of Bungee right now? Is they're a mess? All
<v Speaker 2>all of the supervisors there are a joke. They're stealing art,
<v Speaker 2>and that's what everyone in chat point out. It's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you're right, Why would I be excited about something that
<v Speaker 2>Bungee tangentially worked on, uh with net ease. You know,
<v Speaker 2>this is a game that is not for me, for sure,
<v Speaker 2>So maybe there's an audience heard of Destiny. It will
<v Speaker 2>find it'll find those people, and those people won't care
<v Speaker 2>about any of the things that we're talking about, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I get that.
<v Speaker 2>It's also like not about I think it might have
<v Speaker 2>introduced the idea of creating your own character, but there
<v Speaker 2>was like hero classes you were playing.
<v Speaker 1>I think it has both now.
<v Speaker 2>I think when they were originally designing it, it was
<v Speaker 2>just going to have the hero classes, which is also
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing for Destiny.
<v Speaker 1>But whatever. Finally Capcom says, uh, they.
<v Speaker 2>Still care about Mega Man even though they have nothing
<v Speaker 2>to show right now, but it's still important to Capcom.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think the next Mega Man thing is?
<v Speaker 1>Is their next Mega Man thing? Pragmata, You goddamn truthers pragmatics.
<v Speaker 3>In all honesty, though, I I someone put a comment
<v Speaker 3>to this story on social media that I think is
<v Speaker 3>very true of all the classic games of our youth.
<v Speaker 3>I think Mega Man's or this this fellow thought that
<v Speaker 3>Mega Man's gameplay was the most rooted still rooted in
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen nineties. Yeah, and I think the only way
<v Speaker 3>you're really going to capitalize on Mega Man is to
<v Speaker 3>keep capitalizing on that. Mega Man eleven tried it to
<v Speaker 3>a point. I think it did good for a start,
<v Speaker 3>but then it just started feeling, see me, there's got
<v Speaker 3>to you gotta figure out a way to iterate on that.
<v Speaker 3>There's not a whole lot you can do. Maybe you do.
<v Speaker 3>I think we're overdue for X. Honestly, I think if
<v Speaker 3>there's one one part of the Mega Man family tree
<v Speaker 3>that you could bring to a new modern age, that's
<v Speaker 3>either Mega Man X wouldn't wouldn't you love to see
<v Speaker 3>a Mega Man X game in a Metroid Prime style
<v Speaker 3>like that? That seems to make. That makes perfect sense
<v Speaker 3>to me. Or they could figure out a way to
<v Speaker 3>bring Legends back. I have a soft spot for Legends
<v Speaker 3>one and two, and the boy is still on the
<v Speaker 3>moon after Legends two. We got to get him home.
<v Speaker 1>Un Bon didn't up there and save him, did she.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I've never pulled that one. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'd actually played that one.
<v Speaker 2>For me, It's like the idea would be, like, you
<v Speaker 2>know how people say the from games Dark Souls are
<v Speaker 2>basically Castlevania, like three D Castlevania games. I think that
<v Speaker 2>the Capcom should try to do that sort of idea
<v Speaker 2>for Mega Man, like the original nes Mega Mans. What
<v Speaker 2>would that look like if you were like making it
<v Speaker 2>today as a three D game with sort of the
<v Speaker 2>same toughness, the sort of requirement of like patience and
<v Speaker 2>learning and having a good idea of what you're going
<v Speaker 2>to do right before you do it. But it's also
<v Speaker 2>there's always a million things coming at you and you
<v Speaker 2>have to deal with them, not bullet hell necessarily, not
<v Speaker 2>returnal necessarily. But I don't know something that feels like
<v Speaker 2>the shooter Mega Man version of a frum Soft game.
<v Speaker 2>And I know it's so easy just to say what
<v Speaker 2>Frumsoft does, but I still think that's probably.
<v Speaker 1>The right answer here.
<v Speaker 3>I think there are other places they can take some
<v Speaker 3>inspiration from. I think Vanquish is a good place. It's
<v Speaker 3>a good fit for our Mega Man game, and also
<v Speaker 3>to the Messenger where it switches between eight and sixteen
<v Speaker 3>bits on the fly. If you haven't played The Messenger,
<v Speaker 3>Go play the Messenger. You can kind of like play
<v Speaker 3>with those eras and sort of do It's tough, it's
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a question that I don't that I don't
<v Speaker 3>envy Capcom for having to figure out. I will say though,
<v Speaker 3>when I first read this headline, I thought the Capcom
<v Speaker 3>was really supportive of Mike's evening gaming at Mike's at night.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, but it's confusing. Why would they they can
<v Speaker 2>change the name of that character, I think really should.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't want to.
<v Speaker 1>We don't.
<v Speaker 3>We don't want to confuse anybody with with with with
<v Speaker 3>what's going on here. But no, I I there is
<v Speaker 3>a way to do it. There is a formula here.
<v Speaker 3>They just have to maybe they go back to ex
<v Speaker 3>C they go they do, go back to that turn base.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's fun, right, A modern men.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Year of Mega Man, with like three or four of
<v Speaker 2>these things were like really trying different stuff.
<v Speaker 3>That that would be fun. Maybe a Mega Man, Mega Jam.
<v Speaker 3>Get some prominent indie developers, have them do their take
<v Speaker 3>on Mega Man and have fans vote. You could do
<v Speaker 3>like two levels from these from these indie developers and
<v Speaker 3>whoever wins the fan vote gets to make the game
<v Speaker 3>with funding from Capcom.
<v Speaker 1>Shit, that will be awesome. There's gotta be away. There's
<v Speaker 1>gotta be away. All Right.
<v Speaker 2>That does it for the headlines. Let's get over the
<v Speaker 2>poll question. This one is from four days ago. Should
<v Speaker 2>Phil Spencer still be in charge of Xbox? Seventy four
<v Speaker 2>percent said no, twenty six percent said yes. I mean
<v Speaker 2>there's gotta be a lot of true believers that listen.
<v Speaker 2>Phil's a cordial guy. I get it at certain points,
<v Speaker 2>like the initiatives have not worked. They have led to
<v Speaker 2>ruin in a lot of ways, And I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>it's like he wasn't even like the guy in charge during.
<v Speaker 1>Like the heyday of Xbox Xbox three sixties.
<v Speaker 2>So what you're really like, if you are still believing
<v Speaker 2>in what he's what he's doing there you're pining for,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that moment when Reggie came on stage at
<v Speaker 2>E three, it's like we're about taking names and kicking ass.
<v Speaker 1>It's like if that was all that ever happened with Reggie,
<v Speaker 1>where he's like.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just feel I feel better now that this
<v Speaker 2>guy has shown up and saying the right things. Years
<v Speaker 2>and years and years of saying the right things, and
<v Speaker 2>again I personally think fills fine.
<v Speaker 1>But at this point, how many people have been laid off?
<v Speaker 2>Like we're talking twenty thousand over the last several years, Like,
<v Speaker 2>that's an insane number to say out loud.
<v Speaker 1>I don't. To me, that's just mismanagement. That is grace management.
<v Speaker 2>And at a certain point it was probably years ago,
<v Speaker 2>but at a certain point, clearly, can we just punish
<v Speaker 2>the people in charge instead of the people at the
<v Speaker 2>bottom who get laid.
<v Speaker 1>Off every time instead just one of these times. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should be in charge anymore.
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, but there's a small part of
<v Speaker 3>me that is thinking about the adage, better to deal with.
<v Speaker 1>The devil you know than the devil you don't. That's
<v Speaker 1>a good point.
<v Speaker 3>And who succeeds him? Does anyone succeed him? Does just
<v Speaker 3>get absorbit to make sure?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe all there's you know, tens of thousands, If not,
<v Speaker 2>there's probably north of one hundred thousand people still working
<v Speaker 2>at Xbox. Yeah, and are they in better hands with
<v Speaker 2>Phil who is grudgingly like, yeah, I'm getting a lot
<v Speaker 2>of hate now, deservingly so.
<v Speaker 1>But I want to like, do right by these people.
<v Speaker 1>I think there's still I don't know. It's very easy
<v Speaker 1>to sit here and be like, get out of there.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, though, we're not thinking about unintended consequences, which
<v Speaker 2>is worth considering. All right, we got a new poll question.
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to here in a second before we do that.
<v Speaker 2>Jason Vonelli. Finally, why don't you tell peop where the
<v Speaker 2>could find you on the internet what you have going on?
<v Speaker 3>All that good stuff at big Man Finelle, at All Socials,
<v Speaker 3>Beast Guys, where I'm most active. But I also the
<v Speaker 3>post pictures on Instagram and that takes it over to Facebook,
<v Speaker 3>so I don't have to long in there. X is basically,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I check it once a month if that.
<v Speaker 3>I don't really have a whole lot going on because
<v Speaker 3>I'm just getting back, you know, into the swing of things.
<v Speaker 3>I'm writing news for game Spot as usual MMRPG. I
<v Speaker 3>just got contacted while we were on here. I might
<v Speaker 3>be doing something at Kataku soon. That would be cool, yaya,
<v Speaker 3>And then that's out.
<v Speaker 2>To katak getting new new owners. That seems yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>that was good news. That was good news that they
<v Speaker 2>love Kotaku. I am very happy about that. Yes, yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>so that was very cool. But yeah, just trying to
<v Speaker 2>get my my my feedback under me, get back into
<v Speaker 2>the swing of things after a fantastic vacation. I will
<v Speaker 2>obviously post everything that I write on those social media sites,
<v Speaker 2>along with pictures of my kids and dumb stuff that
<v Speaker 2>I find funny that only I laugh at. If you
<v Speaker 2>laugh too, great if not, you know, I'm not your dad.
<v Speaker 1>Do what you want.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just you know, I will prom I will practice better,
<v Speaker 3>you know, sun care, I promise I'm not going to
<v Speaker 3>do this again. And yeah, just just getting back into
<v Speaker 3>the summer of gaming, Jeff, that's what we're all doing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's uh yeah, let's make it happen.
<v Speaker 2>You should have come over help me bring that CRT
<v Speaker 2>in my basement because I don't think Staf's going to
<v Speaker 2>help me now that I How big are we talking here?
<v Speaker 2>It's like thirty inches, it's it's two hundred pounds. It's
<v Speaker 2>the massive. It's nice and it's not even like like
<v Speaker 2>a Sony like Bravias at the brand, like the really
<v Speaker 2>high end ones, which is not what I want. I
<v Speaker 2>want ones with the curve screen because I want the
<v Speaker 2>nostalgic version. I don't need the perfect way.
<v Speaker 1>I have this.
<v Speaker 2>This is a PVM or it's a BBM, like the
<v Speaker 2>a broadcast video monitor. It's like, that's like the high end.
<v Speaker 2>I got that already, and that's great. It's very cool.
<v Speaker 2>And I also have a Retrotaque four K. I have
<v Speaker 2>a problem, but I also wanted like a big crch
<v Speaker 2>Let's say that's with the curve screen that like looks
<v Speaker 2>kind of old.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I want at this point.
<v Speaker 3>Listen, I will never ever dissuade you from pursuing the
<v Speaker 3>things you like. If you have a problem, I have
<v Speaker 3>a problem too. Yeah, so we I completely understand where
<v Speaker 3>you're coming from. But yeah, it sounds like the old
<v Speaker 3>Panasonic I had in the basement for a while. That
<v Speaker 3>thing was that thing had to go down the basement
<v Speaker 3>steps on a on a hand truck.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that you might be into the front door
<v Speaker 2>as a hand truck. I'm gonna get by dolly out.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna wrap it up.
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what we can.
<v Speaker 3>You tape it can We've lobbed this.
<v Speaker 1>That's a good idea.
<v Speaker 2>I should get those ray band meadow glasses everyone have
<v Speaker 2>now and it's just kind of grub pro get a
<v Speaker 2>club pro fall down the steps.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we got we got right, Like, we
<v Speaker 1>gotta get to a meeting here.
<v Speaker 2>Jason Finelli, wait real quick, pull question. Are you going
<v Speaker 2>to play Destiny Rising the mobile game?
<v Speaker 1>Yes or no? We'll get the results of that, talk
<v Speaker 1>about it. Blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>Jason Fanelli, thank you so much for hanging out with us.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. Honestly, you reached out this morning, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>can I hang out? I saw you last night, so
<v Speaker 2>you got home and you were wiped out. I was
<v Speaker 2>gonna ask you. Then I saw that I'll let this
<v Speaker 2>man rest, but he doesn't rest. Everybody comes here does
<v Speaker 2>the show with me, and it just makes it fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>I love doing the show with you, Jason, absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>And I love doing the show with you.
<v Speaker 1>Grub.
<v Speaker 3>I always appreciate it. Thank you so much.
<v Speaker 2>John Bob's got plenty happened this week. Jan it was
<v Speaker 2>gonna horse Girl. Yeah, I think Blake Club returns. Listen,
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go do a meeting right now and figure
<v Speaker 2>it all out. There's a bunch of stuff. While I
<v Speaker 2>was going, I'm like, I want to do this and
<v Speaker 2>this and this. Maybe maybe maybe put up to a
<v Speaker 2>vote for everybody.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll do that. All right, we're gonna go figure
<v Speaker 1>all that out right now.
<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, let's see what else do I say?
<v Speaker 2>I thank Jason, so I'm gonna thank you all. You're
<v Speaker 2>the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a
<v Speaker 2>good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.
<v Speaker 3>Go watch SGDQ while you're waiting for Trump Pumas come back.
<v Speaker 1>You'll be gone bad