#230 - Chris Kirkpatrick from NSYNC on The Untold Story of the Band + Will There Ever Be A NSYNC Reunion? + Meeting Michael Jackson

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Speaker 1: About to hop in with Chris Kirkpatrick from in Sync, who I just met last week or so. That was a real cool guy, and said, hey man, I'd love to talk a little more about the in Sync stuff and he was like, yeah, sure, why not, which is cool and so you know you're gonna hear us. We'll get into a bunch of stuff. But he came and filled in for the radio show. We referenced that in our conversation, but yeah, I just really enjoyed the guy. Thought it was a real cool dude. So that's coming up in a second. We got a new logo, new Images. I wonder it'll be up soon. It should be loaded up. I just put it up so I saw it on my phone. Very proud of it. Yeah. Well, the thing is with this podcast, I think people just think it's me talking. We really do have a general idea here. It's about music for the most part. You know, we want we do nine percent of the time talk to people who are creating, have created, are thinking about creating music in some way. And then if we don't even we'll ask what's all you like? Right? So, uh, yeah, we're pretty proud of that. Check out Amy's podcast four things with Amy Brown, faith, family food. She just needs another f Yeah, then you can just do all f um Our Studio went here too. We we've had some shelves built. One award that I put up on the shelf is actually not an a word that I got. It's an award for Andy Roddick. Well once they do this thing in Austin called the forty and under. It's right there, and they were and he wasn't able to go, and I was up against him in the award, and he goes, hey, if you win, great if I win, and just go up and accept it for me. So I said, okay, cool. Well he won and I went up to accept it for him, and I gave a speech though, and my speech was well, and he's not here, but he wanted me to read this, and I've opened up his paper and I went, well, hey, it's me Andy. I first like to say I don't deserve this ward. Bobby Bones does. And I just talked all the great things that I thought would be funny to mention about me. And then I said, even though I'm going to take this award, and but then it sits here. I never gave attempt it. I also kept the award. UH. So you'll see that in the video too. You'll see a lot of uh, we're trying to make the studio call like we really are proud of this podcast. UM. Speaking of that, UM and being proud of something, Caroline Hobby did a really great live podcast where they went to Drek Smiley's bar, sold out the place, and it was we may have mentioned this in the last podcast. It was brittany Al Dean and it was Caitlin Brown who Kane Brown's wife and and Jason Aldian's wife, and she is the wife of the lead singer of Thousand Horses. But she was like, you know, but she was also in a band, and so they did a live podcast and it's up. It's called Get Real with Caroline Hobby. And I do hope you checked that out because I know she's proud of it. We're proud of her, and you know, if you're looking for a cool podcast, check out. I think that's a good one. Shucks to a lot of wives of country singers. But she also now was talking to really empowered women, which is cool. She kind of has found her niche over there. UM. And if you go and rate us, we appreciate that. I think you're gonna like this next podcast. You can follow me on Instagram. If you don't, Mr Bob Bones, you can follow Bobby Cast though at the Bobby Cast the Bobby Cast on Instagram. We love that we don't have many followers. We started it late. Yeah, that's a pretty good amount. What do we have now? I think it's like twenties something people not that'd be awesome at the Bobby Cast. Um. All right, appreciate you guys, talk to you soon. Here is me with Chris Kirkpatrick. All right, welcome to episode two thirty with Chris Kirkpatrick from in Sync and also from the depths of our new friendship Chris. Chris came by and did the radio show last week. And it seems like it's every day, just all the time, just hang out. You're busy taking up each other. Well, I mean we're we're all working. Yeah, apparently not as much as you you're I just still I don't have a definable skill so dancing. No, I'm not No, I'm not a go I didn't look for the mirror ball. You would have seen it, Yeah, you would have seen it. I thought you said, I wouldn't have seen it. That's the reason you put it where it was. Well, maybe when you walk through the living room and we just had to take my table. It's my table in two parts in there too. That I was all embarrassed. Yeah, a dog pooped all over the rocks. But to remove the rug, oh nice, took the table in two parts that broke in half. I've got a really good cleaner for that because I have a big dog that likes to do things like that too, and I have a good cleaner to dude. It's a very valuable thing to have. Yeah, that in a handyman, you know, So I use zero rest for cleaning. And you know what I used for a handyman that's been good? Is that app um? Oh yeah, tackle. This is not a commercial for either one of them. Who's your cleaner? Who do you used? Um? We just found that my wife found this company, um that like you know, deep cleans the floors because we had a you know whatever, the big generic people that come in and they actually almost ruined our carpet like trying to do the cleaning thing, and we're like we couldn't get some of the stain up. So we called this other company. Man. They came in and I couldn't believe what they got out of that carpet. You can tell we're getting older because we're both excited about carpet clanking about, like, oh wow, tell me so, yeah that and then we'll you'll delete that out right, just to bleep it. Yeah, yeah, every time. We won't even delete it, will just bleep it. Yeah, just rawn uncut. Uh, you're going to a show after this podcast. Don't don't do that to me. Don't do it. Well, I soul decision. No, we were debating which soul soul asylum. Soul decision was collective soul. And now I wouldn't know soul to soul like that. That one I's definitely different, and that one I would know less of. Really, So, mikee people pull these up. I think I'm a little older than you though, right, So that's like eight nine years old. Okay, but so not enough. Let's just walk through them. Soul Asylum is runaway train, never gone back, no one no, no one way track. That was big in the nineties. There you go, souls jammed right. It was a great song soul decision, Mike. If you can pull that down was like a knockoff of you guys those late nights that they opened up for us. Yeah, and they had one confused, really big song's my place, so um soul decision finding that they don't pop up owner streaming service and what really I want to say, I ran into one of those guys the other day. Yeah, they definitely had a big song, like a beat. Yeah, let's a soul decision radio, but there is no soul decision that comes up except for a song, and Soul Decision Radio is all in sync Jordan's Night, New Kids, So it's definitely a thing. Um so okay, And then they have and there's Collective Soul, which is December. Oh why drink the water from my hand? You know what this? Yeah? And they have uh you Mike, will you what's their second biggest song they have listened on there the world? I know this was a big jam. Um. When I walk upon Hick, they're very much like um toad the wet sprockety Yeah yeah, a little same area, right, Wasn't that the same? It was that still mid nineties told maybe a little earlier. Maybe a little earlier. I think you guys a little older and live, Yes, they were also kind of this who is college rock kind of eat stuff? Who was your like when you were growing up and you're into like when music started to get really important to you, who was it for you when I was when I was young. I mean, my mom and dad really influenced me with the Beatles, and they weren't together, but you know, it's crazy separately. Like my mom, you know, was always listening and that was her almost her like teeny Bopper Years was the Beatles, even though my mom was sixteen when I was born, so I was her teeny Bopper years. But uh, and my dad is a big you know, Beatles head. And actually, when I first started playing guitar, I would play guitar left handed, and I couldn't figure out why it took me so long to pick up the guitar because I always watched Paul McCartney and he was like my idol. And if I was air guitar, I still do this day if I air guitar guitar left handed sometimes, but yeah, so I had to. I flipped all the strings on the guitar and started playing left hand, and then I realized I'm right hand. See I'm left handed and I play left handed right, but I tried to play right handed for a long time because there everywhere there is no left handed guitar. That just chills. You can't be somewhere and you grab a guitar that you do the thing where you switched the strings around and the it was so hard because they did the nut. Because then so I did two things. One, I tried to just flip it upside down, take a right handed guitar and just play it upside down, which means no changing of strings, just play it the other way. Didn't work, so then I would remove the strings myself. Those chords must have been there were Well, when you don't know any chords, you're all weird, right, But I couldn't like learn from people or even watch just put your finger here, No, no, gonna put it down here. It's And then I tried the nut. There's a little nut on a guitar as a holder for each string, and as a string it's bigger. The bigger stringers in. But then you have to put the big string in the tiny nut and then as you always out. But then I just was like, screw it. I went to Walmart, got a chord sheet, went to a pawn shop, paid fifty bucks, bought a left handing guitar, and I just played for comedy. You know, I do music and stand upp but uh but yeah, so what but what was you have the Beatles? But when you were like sixteen or seventeen, I mean like the pop music, just because for me it was nineties grunge and Garth Brooks was kind of the two lanes when music started to be important. That's when you can tell that there is just a bit of a difference between us, because mine would have been like like to me, I look back on music and in nineteen eighty four, for some reason, I was eighties baby, So I mean grew up in the eighties. But nineteen eighty four and nine eight had some of the best. Usually if I hear like a great song, like I'll listen to the eighties or Classic Rewind or something, though, so what I was listening the way here and you listen to it, and I'm like, if it's a really great song, I mean, you know Van Halen the album was. But there's like, you know, there was something about the year nineteen eight four and in year nineteen eight eight that just all this great music came out in those years. Was it was that election year? Maybe? I don't know, that's the theories. I didn't think about that. I mean, I don't know if that makes any sense or any any difference. So we should be listening to some good stuff. Here was that BST Boys guy at all? Oh? I love the BST Boys. I actually I was into a lot of hip hop when when pop music I started really getting into pop music. I mean, we grew up really poor, like I couldn't we didn't have anything, you know, we were my friends were taping on the radio doing the record I didn't couldn't afford a cassette player to record off the radio. So I was I was getting music anyway I could get it. But the only music I could ever find was pop music. So I really got into pop music. Um I I really liked some weird stuff too, like the Ramons, Adam and Uh Billy Idol was really pop and and Billie was cool. Um I like David Bowie. There were some bands It's funny to me looking back on how like like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. When I was a kid, I hated Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Now it's like one of my favorite bands to listen to. It's like once you understand music and you really, you know, grow into your musical self all your music things change and who I love. I'm I'm definitely a real poppy, poppy guy. Like I really even think the Ramons are real poppy beastie boys were you know. But I remember when the run DMC Walked This Way came out. When that video came out, I remember asking somebody, who's that rock band? Or who are these actors that are singing with run DMC because I listened to, you know, a lot of hip hop at that time, and I know, you know, Aerosmith and then of course later eighties it was all you know, hair bands and rock and how did you feel about that? I loved it, man, I loved it. Def Leopard you know, I had everything from them, And um I was one of my first shows I ever went to. The first very first concert I went to was weird Al Yankovic and the New Monkeys, which will just tell you like where my weirdness is. But um my first concert, like with my buddies in high school was Poison and Tesla, and then we went to like def Leopard, Kiss Motley Crewe. I mean we saw him. We were I was in Ohio at the time. We went to like Cleveland, you know, whe They're like, what's up Cleveland, and it's like it was like the middle of that show the Dirt, Like we were right there when Tommy leaves upside Down. I was living through that, and it was just you know that that music was just so popular. It was just so catchy, and again it was all pop music. I love Madonna, I love Prince, I love Michael Jackson, but all the real poppy stuff when you talk about Poison. I got to know Brett Michaels a little later on after obviously Poison had done their thing, and even after Rock of Love when he came back and kind of started again that I even met that guy. We act. Actually, that's funny he said that. Um, in December, Joey and I do this boat parade in in uh Fort Lauderdale and he was the host, the big the host guy, and we just basically take down boats, like down the causeways and stuff. And the night before he was having a show and he invited us out to a show, and um, he asked us to come out and sing the last song with him, and I was just in heaven because we met him way back in the day and when we were on tour, he came out to a show, and I know he's a Pittsburgh guy, so you know, we were talking about the Steelers and stuff like that. But like to be out on stage with him and like thinking back to like that was one of my first concerts and here I am like, I don't know if it equal, but you know, just on that level was pretty cool. He's a nice guy. Really. He was so nice and a great athlete, oddly because we played softball together and he would show up in blue jeans and a cutout shirt and his cowboy hat a different cowboy had every time and just dominate center field. You would hit anything by him in blue jeans, diving. Did you have cowboy boots on? He would he would switch the boots alutu before he went out, but that would be impressive. A super kind guy and then was and I was just struck at his athletic prowess, even because he's in his forties now and the guy was run around like there's twenty two years and know he's in his fifth gott to be in his fifth. I'm in my forties, Like that was like when I was a kid, So he's got to be probably mid the later fifties. Even when you have those moments where you go, wow, this is cool, like something I looked up to and now I get to be a part of it. Did you have a lot of those when you were or was it happening so fast? Could you appreciate him? I think he's still appreciate him. You know, there's there's there's no way some of the stuff we do could just blow by. But I mean, you know, hanging out with Michael Jackson, performing with my with Jackson. Did you ever did you meet him talk to him? What was that like? What was he like? Um? It was it was strange. It was like it was I felt there was this weirdness like around him. You know, I don't think a lot of it was really him. I think it was what was around him. I think he had a lot of yes men around him, and I think there was a lot of people just like feeding into what he was and not who he was. And it was kind of it was kind of strange because it almost was like you were just talking to an icon instead of a human. For a little while, but you know, really really generous guy, really, you know, very very soft spoken, just like you would think somebody like that commands you know, attention or whatever. But you know, he just was very soft spoken, you know, and he let all his singing and dancing and and his stage stuff speak for him normally. Was it a while to watch someone be so soft and his man rhysms and speech, I think, get on stage. It's it's it's insane. I mean again, kind of going back to what I was just saying, I'm a Steelers fan, it's it's like Troy Paula Malo. I don't know if you're a big football guy, but he was a safety defensive back for the Steelers, and he was the same way. He was very you know, hey, you know, quiet whatever, and you see him on the field and he's jumping him. That's the way Michael was. You know, Michael's just very hey guys, you know, thanks so much for coming out whatever, and you're just like, this is Michael, Like I thought, Michael, come in, hey this, you know, I mean I'm doing a lot higher than that doing his little front kicks, and so that's cool. So Michael Jackson is one of those what's another one You look back and go, man, that's freaking cool. Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney was big. Um. He came. I met him in an award show and then I went to one of his shows and sat with him backstage. I mean, it's he could have been a jerk and I would have been like, he's a god, you know, but he was really really nice and and I think one of the coolest though, it was Phil Collins because we actually did a song with Phil Collins and there's a part in the song where it's like in in the band, I do the harmonies, you know, Justin and j C usually do the leads, and then I would do their harmonies on the verses and a lot of the harmonies in the in the choruses. And he's like, well, okay, so who does like the harmonies? And I think Justin or something Chris usually does like the harmonies. Goes okay, well, then you guys go in and do this part, and then me and Chris will go in and sing this part. And I was like, why don't you you want to go in and then I'll go in because and we went in and I'm standing there at the mic. I don't even remember what I was singing. I'm just singing into the same mike and Phil Collins is right there, and I'm just like, you know, first cassette I ever had was no jacket required. So that was another big moment. That's cool. And his daughter is really sweet too. She's an actress, um uh yeah, and she's super hot. Yeah, and she she was there that day. I was very young. She was very young, and she was there that day. And I remember sitting in the booth while the guys were in there and she looks over at me she goes, I can't believe I'm sitting in the same room with you right now. And I'm like, your dad is Phil Collins, you know, like it's crazy. And then I went and saw her a couple of years ago at Justin show in l A. And she was there and she goes, oh, do you remember me? And I'm like, yeah, you're like famously Lily And I was like, yeah, you're like famous now, it's crazy. What was cool was I remember I'm just going from memory here. There was an award show, maybe one of like the v M A s because you guys were a lot of those, but you came out and there were these TV screens with your head m TV Awards, I think, and you guys did the dancing behind TV screens of Gigantic your own heads. Like really one of the coolest perform that I remember ever. It's it's crazy. That's the one. That's the performance that a lot of people talk about and they're always like and at the time, it was weird because Wade Robson, who was our choreographer at the time, said he's got this concept and I think, you know, flat screen TVs were not the thing yet, like they were just coming out and you know, you're talking two thousand maybe, and uh, He's like, we're gonna film this thing where your head's on the screens and you guys are gonna be dancing below. And I was like, it's crazy because you think to yourself, yeah, that that would be cool. That makes sense, that's that's gonna be cool, But you don't have any idea the impact and like when when you see it and when people watch it, that's all they talk about. But I think it's also the way he choreographed it and the way he filmed, the way he filmed what our faces were doing, because sometimes our faces would all switch around, and you know, when we were doing the choreography, we were just doing what we were doing. But when I watched it again, it made a lot more sense. You mentioned earlier that your mom was sixteen, which you had to you. Mine was, oh, yeah, so I know what it's like. You know, you said something at the radio station too. I mean, I know you're kind of joking around about the government cheese or you were talking about stuff like that. It's really weird because, like, especially in the industry, you find people that actually really know where you came from. It's really kind of a cool moment and you're just kind of like wow, man. Like I went back and I think I told my wife. I was like that, that's really kind of cool because he gets it and he understands that, you know, what we have now is all icing. You know, it's not something that we worked for and we deserved. You know, from day one, it's been icing, and you appreciate it and you look back and you know, all my I did a foundation in Orlando when we were there, and it was all for you know, underprivileged kids, and we used to do some crazy fun stuff, and we do it around Halloween because to me, Halloween is a time that people don't think about, you know, charities, you don't think about giving, But especially for kids, it's really important. For people, it's really important. Everybody likes to dress up, Everybody likes to be somebody else. So do those kids. And those kids get a chance to, like even for a day, be the Hulk or be Iron Man or or whoever. And it was fun. We'd always buy them costumes. We used to throw like big Halloween bashes in my exclusive like gated community, but just for the kids. We'd have the neighbor kids come in, but all our kids had the v I P bracelets on so they could get into certain things and they were the coolest ones and the little rich kids, which were nice kids too, but it was nice for a change to just kind of flip it on them. And and another time, I remember we got some food. And every time we go like shop for a family whatever, and we'd get them food too. We'd always buy the good stuff because when I was growing up, it's like we get a knock on the door around Christmas time and it's two grocery bags from the from the church and it's creamed corn, and it's like and you think about it, it's like what you don't want from your from your cover. You're like, oh, we're not gonna use this. Give this, give this, because beggars can't be choosers, and we never were. But when I went out, I was getting like Hawaiian punch. And we went to this house and one house and gave this stuff out and this kid grabbed like the sere or something and he just starts looking as mom, Mom, it's the good stuff, you know. And that's the point where you're just kind of like, wow, that was cool, Like that's why you do it. I remember Christmas one year because church would bring us gifts to if we didn't get gifts, we can afford gifts, and so they would, you know, beat on the door. It's funny because that when you said that, I know exactly what that feels like. And I got a Paint by Numbers duck picture, which I would have looked at and thought, never in a million years what I want that, But it was the only gift I got that and I think it's one of my favorite gifts that I ever got. And it was a crappy brush with a bunch of greens and yellows and a duck and I painted that thing and I was so proud of it. Do you find yourself like, now you know, now that you've got money, and now that you've got it, do you find yourself going back and finding like some of the stuff either you wanted or maybe something that you had that meant a ton to you, Like like I had a bunch of G I Joe's. I think, you know, maybe you know a couple of handfuls of G I Joe's. And obviously, you know, we moved around a lot too, so we lost a lot of stuff. But I've gone back out on eBay and bought those again and sat there and my son actually was playing with them the other day, and I was kind of like, yeah, this is cool. That's pretty cool. I find what I tried to do, and as I all, it's selfish charity because for example, my high school basketball team, I couldn't afford the shoes, and you had to have the shoes to play, and it wasn't a thing where it was like only the kids that can afford the shoes can play, but it was just understood that everybody could afford sixty dollars and I couldn't. So I just didn't play basketball. And I really wanted to, but not because I wasn't good enough, but because I couldn't afford the shoes, and I just didn't want to be a charity case all the time. So what I do now is I buy the whole team shoes, so not one kid has to feel that, right, I just want to eliminate how I So it's almost like I'm selfishly going back in and helping me. Isn't it funny though? How sometimes you look back and you feel so sorry for that kid, but then you're like, no, wait, that kid was me? Who cares well what I do? In a way, I go, you know what, the best thing that ever happened to me was the struggle. Yeah, because I am tenacious, I'm resilient. I like, I'm built for whatever you put in front of me. So tell me this, this is that's the same. But it's kind of a catchway too with me because now I have a little I have a son. My son, whatever he wants to a point he gets. I mean, obviously we don't spoil him, but everything we give him, we let him know that you know he's getting this. You know, we try to. He's still young enough. He doesn't have a lot of friends, so he can't you know, he's not acclimated with kids yet to really understand how other kids have it. But how do you teach that now to a kid that never has to worry about it? How do you teach that that wanting to go out wanting to fight for everything you have to a kid that doesn't have to fight for everything. You know, you can't you can't not give him things. You know, you can't say no, you know you're not going to have this because I didn't have it, and I want you to learn. You know, you still try to do it, but at the same time you have to. It's this balancing act of trying to teach him that all kids don't get that, you know, and I'm I'm already like trying to distill a him when he goes to school. Make sure he befriends every kid in school, even the quiet kid, the dirty kid, you know, whoever. Make sure every kid eels special in school because who knows, you know, possibly you know, being my son or being around it, that he might you know, be kind of popular, and I'm hoping he is, because if he is, I'm gonna say, you know, at that age, you already have to understand you have to use that. You know, you have to understand it. You were just in a situation not because of you, but because of the way you were brought up. You know. It's what's interesting about you is you were able to break the almost impossible generational cycle of what we struggle with in America of poverty. And it's hard to get out because if you're impoverished, and I'll put me in that too, there's not a lot of resources that go into us and into my friends and and myself, and so it's rare. And thank god, I was blessed to just be real smart and standardized tests and I could you know, I was good. It was quick, um, And it's hard to break that. But you have one of the rare tasks of now being a father going through that situation because you know what it was like and what it to you, but you also knew what it felt like to go through that. And they have those kids that my son will become talking to you like you're you know, just nobody, which is funny to me. I love my class reunions, you know, because those are great because I go back and here I was this kid that you know, couldn't afford my class ring. We didn't have a car, we didn't have electricity a lot of the times, you know, we didn't have a lot of things. So you know, they were like most likely to never hear from again, even a class reunions, I would have won it, you know. But then to you know, come out and do this stuff. It's it's it's so strange. It's just almost surreal. Like a lot of times, I feel like I'm living in out of body experience and looking at my life through what I always wished it was as a kid. You didn't have Facebook when instinct was blowing up, not because it wasn't a thing yet would you have people like reaching out to you because you said high school reunion and I go through this little different now, but we're how did people get ahold you and be like he remember me? We were best friends back in the day. Um, I mean we had a website and uh, you know it was funny back then with even just with the website of how we were trying to be progressive with it and we had this whole idea about this like three D market and you know, everything where it was all inclusive and you know, not knowing that cell phones would be what they are. But um, I've there's a lot of ways that happened. I actually, you know, I'm still in touch with some friends, you know, from way back in the day that I saw their sign at hershey in the audience saying hey, Chris, it's these people, and I had security I go out and get them, and um, you know, a lot of some of my I've stayed in contact with a lot of most of my high school friends, you know, at least a couple of them, and they know how to get in touch with a couple of them. Or they'd say, hey, so and so wants to know if if they can come down, and you know, it's it's it's really kind of cool because I think a lot of my high school friends that are still my friends now were my friends in high school. You know, we were all I wasn't. I wasn't the you know, I wasn't a popular kid. I wasn't I said, like the least popular. But it was just kind of like I was just like everybody's little brother like I was little. That's another thing I had not gone in physical stature and physical stature because I was five hundred pounds my junior year of high school. So I grew about nine ten inches after my junior high school. And I went to my five year reunion before in Sync blew up, and there were guys coming up to me going, hey, who are you here with? And I'm like, there were seventy kids in our class. I know you, Tim, remember it's Chris kp. Patrick. They're like, oh, yeah, wow, you're bigger. You've changed. When you say before instinct blew up? Did people feel like that that was? Did anybody go, man, you guys really hit a hard quick and you're going if you had any idea what we've been doing? Work like because people because for me, people will go, boy, in the last year, you've the last couple of years, you've really bla And I'm like, man, I guess I'm a fifteen year overnight success it because you only see like when the fruition. I think the difference is um. I think blowing up isn't the right way to talk about it, because it was blow It was almost blowing up overnight. It was the overnight success story. That's you know, that to me is different. That to me is you know that you just you know, it's like, hey, hi, justin my name is Chris and I said, oh, we're famous. You know, it's like that was There was a lot of work into that. There was a lot we did. There was you know, obviously a lot of but when we released the Disney Special in the States, that was the first time any kid in the United States. We were all getting on an airplane and some girl goes, hey, that's those guys on the Disney Show. Can I have an autograph? And we all like stopped in the jetway and went running back out because we're like, wait, you're American, you know us? And she's like, yeah, yeah, I saw you in the Disney Special. And it was so weird because that girl was the first one and maybe you know, the next day it just became all over, like everybody would start stopping us and it just became because then that Disney Special was you know this, It started this whole trend and that's what kids were watching. That was the That was the blippy, that was the you know whatever um Barney or whatever. You know that Disney Special was what all kids focused on. So when kids get onto something, I mean, it's crazy how they run with it and and you know, they want to be an adult and so they take it and make it in And that's what happened, was I mean, they just took us as their band and blew us up. You had been performing and had music released overseas though, right, so when they go, hey, let's do a quick infancy story, you actually were the guy that was first when when in things started to come together, right, I put the band together. Right, so you're the guy. So you go, all right, we're gonna find and in your mind were you putting together a band, a boy band, a singing group? What was the idea? So when I when I first started music, um, I fell into music. You know it was like I was, I always wanted to do something. I want to be a football player, I want to do all these other things. But I kept falling into music. Um I landed uh the lead role of Oliver Twist in our high school production when I was in sixth grade? Could you sing at that point in your mind? Like, were you a good singer? I still don't think I'm a good singer. You know, it's like I mean, I could stay on key and you know, it's and and again, you know, talk about five hundred pounds my junior year. Obviously my voice didn't change until you know, about two weeks ago, but you know, it was there was a lot of um I. I enjoyed music. I always kept falling into it. UM. I moved to Orlando and started college. And so that's why I was one of the older ones in the band. Like I was already I graduated. How we how we from the Battery Poison I were in college together and UM I was just there and I was, you know, taking random classes just so I could say I went to college and you know, I learned a trade or something, and there was a there was an ad for a choir, and I didn't went to the ad and I got a scholarship. And the next thing, you know, I got another scholarship. And then I went to a prestigious school, Rollins, with a scholarship in music. And it just kept following me. But the whole time I was doing um acoustic guitars with a buddy of mine, like we'd play it coffee shops or whatever it was, and then when I was in high school, we did these quartets, and I loved acapella. I loved harmonies. So I put together a quartet and at all these coffee shops and things we were doing, me playing the guitar with my buddy Steve, was like, okay, I col driving and crying cool Indigo girls, all right, whatever. But then when we go out and do this acapella stuff, like everybody just went nuts. I mean, girls were just like, oh my god, this is the best ever. And I'm like, wow, like that there's something to this. So I was trying to do the acapella thing. And I even remember when Howie and Charlie came to me with their pictures with the Backstreet Boys. I was like, how's that gonna work? You guys are like singing the tapes, you know. I'm like, oh, so, Charlie, Charlie is a great story. Charlie Edwards was one of my really close friends. Is a great guy. He uh. He's how I got connected with all of it, all the lou Perlman and all that. So I had a quartet at school. Charlie was in my quartet. How he was in my class, How he came into school looking for kids for the Battery Boys, and he went to Charlie, so him and Charlie joined the Battery Boys. Um, Charlie had a falling out, I guess with a producer. So Charlie came to me and called me and said, hey, you know, I want to be involved, but could we bring your group that you have to this guy Lou Perroman And I was like yeah, sure. So then you know, it's probably about a year. We were just grinding and and I had like three jobs and full time school and it was like I'd be late for some rehearsals and they were just like, you know what, I can't do this anymore. And he quit and I said, but I had the introduction with Lou. And that's when you know. Lou was like, I need you to get the band, like I want another band. I've got Backstreet, I want another band, which sucks for them him like, and you know, in hindsight, it really sucks for them because here was this guy who they looked at as their their brother, their papul Lou and he's out there as a business guy going and he even said it. He'd say it to us all the time, you know, I've got Burger king, I want McDonald's. You know, they get along, they coexist. And you know, if he would have been an honest guy and just one that you know, who knows where he'd be. But this Charlie guy just to go back for one second, Yeah, you're telling me that, yes, in both backstraight and instinct, and then what what is he alive? Still? Yeah? And what he did, I'm pretty sure I even't talked to him. And then I used to run into him a lot. That's crazy. But and he actually left my band to go teach golf in a club med and I was begging him. I'm like, dude, you know, I'm holding on the strings here like I would. I mean again, I had so many jobs, and I had, you know, full time school, and I was like still trying to arrange music and teach people parts and put together um rehearsals and all this stuff. And when he quit, I was just I mean, I remember, you know, just being in the lowest, one of the lowest places of my life, laying there thinking that I had a potential with this loop Roman guy. And the guys in my band would keep quitting, you know, dropping out or quitting so who was the first guy of of of the band. Now the group that you were like, all right, come do it just and you met him was this Mickey Mouse Club no post. So, so the story, the real story is, I was I was making cold calls. I was just calling people. I'm like, you know, I need to find you know, parts, I need to find guys that saying I need to do whatever. So I don't remember. I think I went through the paper or something like that, and I called I think I called agents. I called like nineteen agents. I'm like, listen, I'm putting together this group. Okay, thank you so much. It's my number, this my address click, you know, I did nineteen agents. One person got back to me and I went over I remember it like it was yesterday's Studio Plaza in Orlando, and pulled up in my little Nie Song Center or whatever I was driving, and he gave me this Manila envelope and I went out and you know, put it popped in this cassette tape into my player and heard this voice and I'm like, oh my god, like this is unbelievable. This is better than anybody that's been in my band yet. And I pulled up the head shot and I'm like, Justin Timberlake, is he an Indian? Like I didn't you know, I didn't get I didn't know if that was a stick or what was going on. And UH called his mom and that was a tough call because they were back in Memphis, and I was like, hey, uh, I'm this twenty four three year old guy, and I want to put your fourteen year old son in a band with me, and you know, and and they had this thing where it was like they went down for Mickey mouse Club and they said, well, if we got to go there for Mickey mouse Club and we don't get it, at least we'll go to Disney. So, you know, they kind of said it again. They also suggested, they said, well, he's been working with j C. So j C came down and I actually met j C first because Lou went and picked j C up at the airport and they came to my work and I met j C. And then Justin came and the three of us are out one night and we ran into Joey randomly, and I knew Joey. Joey is the only one of them that I knew prior because we worked at Universal Studios together and uh, I knew Joey and we're like, dude, you know, we're looking for a band, you know, can you do it? And he's like, yep, I'm in because he was in this group in high school called the Big Guys with the Luis Fonzi Oh yeah, yeah, which was in and they were like this. They were like this high school band. It's so weird to see Fonzie, you know, doing so much now. And his brother John is amazing too because his brother John was in my group. But that's I'll just make the story really long, but um, but yeah, So then Joey got in the band and he brought in this kid, Jason, and that's how we got the name because uh, Justin's mom was looking at all our names and Justin, Chris, Joey, Jason, and j C. The last letter all spells in sync, and that's how we got our name. And then um, the night we were signing the deal, Jason quit left and it took us a year to find Lance and night you were signing, yeah, we ended up signing the next day, just the four of us. But we needed a base, like we knew we needed a base. You had. You know, Joey was the lowest singer. And Joey's a good baritone, but he's no base and we had no low end. And I remember when Lance came over to the house and we're like his vocal. Our vocal coach was like, we think we like him, and he was in there and Justin and I were listening in the door, just like high five because Lance just kept going lower and lower and lower, and I was like, man, this is unbelievable. So when you guys get together and when Lance finally comes in, had you decided how you wanted to present yourselves or you were going to or are you still going we're a pure vocal group? Because when did the rest come in? The dancing the stage we call it stage. But I think I think that was slowly, you know, weeded into what we were doing. I mean, I think at some point we had to realize that we couldn't just be an acapella group doing what we did. You know, we wanted up tempo songs, and acapella up tempo you can't really dance to. It's it's more of you know, listening. But um, you know, then we just kind of we started, uh Justin and j C had been writing some tracks and uh, our vocal coach who was actually really big in Nashville, Like, I I've running to people all the time now that that knew her, Robin Wiley. Um, she was real intricate in helping us with our sound because she knew right away. Like we were like, oh well, Chris will sing the high stuff, and Lance will sing the low stuff, and Joe will sing the middle stuff, and Justin j C will do the leads. But she really kind of you know, formed our sound and and her arrangements and and things. She wrote. One of my favorite songs we ever did to this day was a song called I Thought She Knew and it was I mean, it was all her arrangement, and it was just so intricate and so unbelievable, and it was so fun to do because here I've got four other guys that are talented enough to know parts. And that's that's a big thing. Like there's so many times you'll start singing something, everybody jumps on whatever you're singing, you know, but to sing your own part, even when it's rubbing or doing whatever, it's like, it's it was it was really cool we used to find anywhere we could sing and just sing together. And then who goes we should take this overseas first? Well that was Lou was always involved. Like Lou was involved in that at that time. As soon as Justin and JC came down, Lou was like, all right, I can be involved. Because even before, like I said, when I was calling Justin's mom, Lu said, don't Sam involved, And I'm like why, why is that? Because he didn't want to upset Backstreet Boys and and his whole company, who Backstreet was their baby. He didn't want to go to them and go, well, I got another one. So they didn't know you guys were forming and you started to actually be No, they didn't know. I think the guys kind of new because you know, I'd be at Brian's, I'd be at Lou's house and you know, talking business, somebody be leaving Brian or somebody be coming in, and they're always like what is he doing? Like why is he here? What do they you know? What's the what's the deal on them? And and that's again why I said, it really suck for them, like they were treated unfairly in the whole situation because it's not our fault here. We are. We just we just wanted to work, you know, we just wanted to be a band. And they're the ones that were like getting like the rug pulled out from under him by him going by the way, I got another one just in case. Did that ever happen to you guys? Oh? I mean, but but the difference is we knew he was doing it. You know. It was like we we already assumed that's who Lou was, that's what he's gonna do. I mean, it happened like thirty times for us, you know, and it was just like we just we just with each other. We just have to say, listen, we're just gonna work. We have to work a thousand times harder, you know, you have to. We have to. We had to work a thousand times harder just to be equal, you know. And that was great because again it goes back to that drive we were talking about it. It gave us our drive. And what are people back home, like mom and Dad, they're there, there's there's split at this part, and so are they encouraging you to continue pursuing music where let's be honest, if you're gonna pursue music, there's not a lot there people who do it. It's just it's hard to pay the bill as much less thrive. My family has always been supportive. I think the fact that you know, they had nothing, like I didn't have anything else, Like I wasn't like I'm gonna be a zoologist or you know, a marine biologists or something. It was like, I'm doing this if it works. And you know, my family is like, if it works, great, They're not going don't do this, go find a job. And I had three jobs, so they're like, you know, we're they're all behind, and they were really really encouraging, and it was it was a lot of a lot of um. It felt good because you know, I knew I had that safety net. When did you feel like you were going to be able to pay the bills singing? Uh? Well, I mean after the first gig I ever did, I got like fifty bucks or something playing acoustic guitar and I'm like, man, this is unbelievable. I can't believe I just got paid for doing music. And you know, we got a chet X And did you get a signing bonus when you guys all signed? And think when you did the four of you. Oh no, oh no, there was there. There was so much. Someday when the After School Special movie or whatever the ABC movie is out on us, there will be the first check presentation, which is hilarious because we've been on tour for I want to say, going on two years. Maybe we've been opening acts, We've done countless radio shows, all these things, and are our label was giving us checks. And they got off these big checks and you know, little gold records and everything, and they brought out these checks for like ten grand each and Justin and I are like high five in each other, like I've never even seen that much money in my life. This is the best day. And j C is like, hold on a minute, you know this, something's not right here. We've been working for two years. And I looked at him like, dude, why are you being a Debbie Downer? And he's like, how much money did you make bussing tables at the Outback? And I was like, I don't know, twenty thou a year? He goes exactly. I was like, uh, was j C? That guy at the Great Book jay C? Smart? J C? J C knows his stuff and his uncle's a lawyer, and and you know, his family's really into that, so j j C j C wouldn't let it. Jac didn't let it get by, and we let it fly right by us. But j C j C catches that is it because there's so much going on that the tornado is happening. Oh yeah, yeah for sure. I mean we had you know, we had no time to ourselves. There was no time to even think about things. There was no time to think that. When we signed our first record contract. Um Lance wasn't in it yet, so it was it was just the four of us, but we signed it. We signed our contract. Five people, you know, me, justin, j C, Joey and Louke Proman. He was the fifth member signed on our record. And and um, I just heard somebody talking about this the other day. You know, it's it's your first record, your first contract. You know you're gonna get screwed. But that was like proper. Do you know how many how many records you had to give in that first deal because now standards five I think it was five, Yeah, it was five. It didn't matter. We got out of it. I mean it was we broke the contract because we just went and signed with Jive. We they signed us, ended up signed us to our CIA. It was after our first big record in the States came out, and right before our huge record, we actually went over to Jive because we broke at the very beginning because we signed the six of us then signed to Lou. Lou signed us to b MG in Germany. BMG signed us to our c A in the States. So we broke it off with Lou. We broke the whole chain and it was like we had to start all over. When you say the big record, no strengths and we're about to have an anniversary on that twenty Yeah, it's insane. How I remember I was working on pop radio when the record came out, nineteen years old, and I remember the record coming out and I remember just everybody going to buy it. It It might actually still be the record for most. No, it just was just broken three years ago. Adele really, but it lasted that long seventeen years, lasted a long time. It's old. You may help to point something million in a week now. I think it was one point one point three or one point four the first day, which was you know, I mean it's again, it goes back to it just happened to be our market and those our market buy CDs at the time. So that's one of those records that, like, you know, we didn't sell as many vinyl as. But to be fair, did you ever read Outliers many chance? Okay, there's a whole chapter and Outliers where they talk about people like a Bill Gates who happened to be someone interested in computers in a city where they had a computer at a time when a computer. So much of life circumstance based on um timing and the people willing to do the work timing circumstance. Person. So I don't think that it's fair to the work that you guys did to go well. It's only because because somebody was gonna do that right well. And also too, you know the way the way you say it like that too, there was a lot of like with us, we knew, like we knew that it was gonna be a lot of luck, a lot of timing. No matter what we did, there were a lot of other things had to fall into place. All we could do was work and we rehearsed. I mean, we had we knew every dance move, every song up and down, back and forwards. We knew every scenario about you know what if it's this, you know, it's like we just we were so prepared because you know, um, I don't remember the exact saying, but it's like, you know, the prep when preparation meets opportunity, Yeah, that's that's luck. And so we were like, we're going to be the most prepared on the planet, Like we're gonna if if we get one little shot, we're gonna blow that shot up and and do do the best we camp what would be the luckiest moment where you look back and go, holy crap, that wouldn't happen. I don't know the Disney special. I think how you got honor how how I blew up or a little of both, a little of both, because I think Backstreet got offered the Disney special and turned it down. And so that's when we had Johnny right at the time too, who's I think he's kind of managing them, and um, he's like, you know, we got offered this Disney special, and we're like, you know, Disney specials weren't this thing yet. It was just like, oh, well we'll do it. You know, of course, we'll try anything. And once we did it, and it just I mean, it exploded. It was. It was. It was the moment we did stuff overseas. We were over there touring with people. We did our own tour over there. We had you know, shows over there, and we'd go over there and it would be mayhem and stuff. But honestly, in Europe, a lot of our beginning stages was kids would come up to us all the time and be like, the only we're here, the only reason we're here listening to you guys is because the Backstreet Boys aren't here, And that was of our Our fans would say that, you know, of our fans were in sync. Fans were Backstreet fans that were knew that Backstreet wasn't coming to their town for another two years or something, so they came out to see us. So that was, you know, it took a while for us to get out of their shadow. When they would bring you, guys songs all through your career, what was the song that you heard where you were like, holy crap, that's a great freaking song. Uh I love Bye Bye Bye. I knew that was going to be a big one. What did that demo sound like? Um? Similar production? When thinking back, some music guy singing it was I want to say it might have been, might have been Max, Max, might have been at Max has got a Max is hilarious. Max Martin, who produced a lot of our you know, Dennis Pop, did our first couple of hits, and there was this whole collective in Sweden, this this group share on studios and they did the big Backstreet hits. Um. But Max Max is He's something. Man, He's just he's just fun to amazingly sick talented guy. I really think Max is a right brain guy. The way he looks at music, it's I think he looks at it as zeros and ones because how he knows, you know, the intricacies and the things that he puts into it. It almost seems right brain to me. It doesn't. He still has a lot of you know, creativity. I'm not taking that away from him, but it just seems like he has such a grasp on music itself that it seems right brain. But he always when he's singing and stuff, it's just it makes me laugh. He's got this little, you know, the sweetest voice, and especially when he's trying to, you know, tell justin, hey do this, you know, and Justin's like, okay, I'll do what you were trying to do. I was looking at the track list from No No Strength attached the four massive singles Bye Bye Bye, It's gonna be me. Well this, I promise you when I look back at my because I was much more. First of all, I was a dude, so I was but stuff. But I loved in sync more than the Backstreet Boys because of the ballads. I just slow songs anyway, like wow, that's always normally I thought it would because the up tempos always the slow stuff like this I promised, which by the way, was not from No Strength, but this, I promise you. God must spend a little more time on you. Um dried myself crazy. That I dropped myself crazy video was one of my favorite favorite videos that you guys did. My wife hates that one my girlfriends in the video. I probably wouldn't like it either. Yeah, but I think that's why I was a big fan of you. Get Gone was like and Gone slower than amid not quite about It's it's kind of in that that, but I think this is possibly one of my favorite songs. Which is an interesting story and you can tell me if this is true or not that it was written from Michael Jackson, just orther from Michael Jackson. And then they said ended up saying no. And then you guys took it. And did you guys get to write a lot? Did you try to write? Or were used on the road too much working that there wasn't time to hop in a room and try to We tried, I mean I tried, you know, I had I think one or two songs, and I think they were nice enough to put them on our European albums or something. But um, you know, I tried. Justin did a great job at j C is a great writer as well, and uh, I mean, yeah, it was. It was we'd have to bring stuff on the road with us, Like I remember, I still have a rolling rack on the road, and I'd bring it up to my hotel room. Had and that this is this is how old school, like had an mp C and all that stuff in it, and you know, I'd roll up there and record little ideas or whatever we had. And and and at the time, you know, now we could do a whole record, you know, on the road, but at the time it's like I gotta do an idea at the right on the road because you'd have to go to a studio to record the actual song. But uh, yeah, as as often as we could, you know, we'd try to work and and try to get songs done. But and there were always a lot of songs out there that people were offering to us as well. So when did it become the most mayhem for you to even go to out back? You mean, uh, the popularity was people would and you definitely had a distinct look the braids and so would you hide your hair? Like what what what precautions were you taking? How crazy did it get? Um actually, like you know, with the braids and stuff. I don't even know if I went out that much. I mean, if I did, it was to a club where we had you know, security and you know you're in a section and all this stuff. Like it's definitely not like now where you know, I go do whatever I want and not worry about anything. But you know, there there was a time where, you know, especially if if we were in town playing a show. Um, you know, I tried to go to a mall or something and we'd have to get escorted out a side door because it just became insane and um, you know so, but but it was always during the band, like it wasn't. I think the longest break we ever had was, you know, maybe a couple of weeks where we had they said, go ahead, take a little time off, and a couple of weeks it was couple of weeks. We're like, woh wow, what happened. Was ever a time where one of the guys like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. You don't have to say who? And you were like you had to like talk to each other through it because I would assume at some point, yeah, not really. No. We we loved doing what we did, and you know, and and the only reason um, I think Justin you know, started doing his stuff was because we had taken a break. And then you know, management was like, we're gonna take some time off for a while. You know, let's let's let us set it in. Justin Justin's workaholic. He's like you you know, he just doesn't stop. He went in and and did a records like I'm not gonna, you know, take a break. I'm gonna keep going. You know, you have the greatest Christmas song of our lifetime. What about Ryan Carrey I prefer I've heard this over that this is a good Christmas song. Argue, Okay, I'll say this. Arguably our generation is great this Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool that it's an original Christmas song too, And now like, um, you know, people are covering it, which is so cool. I'm just like, wow, that's pretty cool. We have an original, Like we're we're old school. When people think about somebody being this famous and having all the success that you guys have, they just they picture you're making two hundred million dollars, like a billion dollars. They do you feel like there's a finite amount of money that we were making. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't open ended with heavy back end. Uh no, no, because you got you gotta remember too, there weren't the avenues as there are now, Like you know, back then, it was like you know, you we made our money off of record sales, off of merchandise, and off of touring. You know, bands today don't make their money off of record sales, and and you know they're they're getting it all through these three sixty deals and all this stuff like that. But at the same time, their social media's are huge, and you know, you know, millions and millions of followers gets you, you know, sponsors get you people, and and that's how they make their money, you know, whether or not it's for what they're doing, it's for who's paying attention to them and how many eyes we can get on our product, you know, get you know money that way. And I'm not knocking it by any means. I think it's I think it's amazing. And you know, same thing with all the shows that are out now. I've talked about those before, like The Voice and American Idol, Like what a great opportunity it is for America and for us to actually find talent again. You know, they're not just not just some guys singing that. You know, somebody stumbles across and says, hey, I just happened to be here. You're pretty good. Let's sign you and see what happens. It's it's the best of the best. And and you know, these kids that come off of they are just unbelievable. Yeah. I tell the kids an American Idol a lot that because some of them will come on to go I don't know if I want to do this, And I'm like, do what be seen by nine million people a night where everything is so oversaturated everywhere that everybody is just it's hard to be seen at all because there's so many people being saying I think too. I think what's getting in their heads though, is that they're gonna they're not making what they think they should make off Like I think, don't the American Idol people and stuff, they take a lot of their more they did more so now that probably scared people off of it. Like that's probably what it was that they're like, Man, I want to I want control of what I do and I don't want to be an American Idol kid that wins and then get shelved. You know. I want to use that platform and actually do something, which is you know, great that they're doing it. But some of them, you know, have come out of there. I mean, you know, Kelly clarkson Geez or even like a Gabby Barrett who was my first season three years ago on that show. You know, she came out and and what I think, if I'm hopefully'm speaking right here there, they can like two or three of them, they can like take and go, hey, we'd like to sign you. I think they only have rights to one or two of them. Then they can offer they can offer the eleventh place person to them, but they don't have to take it right right, That's good and it's not as iron clad like you have to do everything. What great promotion too, I mean even and that's one pace, yeah, even even get ten place. It's like, you know, wow, you run National TV one of the biggest shows, American Idol for the longest times, you know, with the v show, and then the other shows come out and you know, now the still the voice all these shows are um even Massinger, which is just a platform. Yeah, you can just be on there, you can be anywhere that a bunch of eyeballs will see you. That's a win. It's what you do with those eyeballs because now you're trying to create your fan base, like your money is creating a niche, super serving them and letting other people come into your niche, and then it's not a niche anymore. The most successful distinct artists started as a super niche and they were different, and you're so different, but people start to see what you're doing and be into it that so many people follow it. Billie Eilish for example, she was just making weirdo songs to you. I remember talking about on a ratio a couple of years ago, was like, she is going to be so big, and now we went from like a niche, dark sounding young girl that's what people want to sound like. And it happens in country music to where these artists will be so different that people go that will never work, But when they blow up, they create a whole lane that everyone then gets behind. That It's like you were talking about when Backstreet and you Guy and all these other pearlman was doing, and what what happened to pop music? I mean, look, because you know when us in back Street came out, Brittany'd come out, and Christina had come out, it was almost always like they were. They were coming out in groups, you know, like it was us in Backstreet. It was even ninety degrees to throw them in and uh, you know Christina and Brittany, and it was just like this thing because then you had the the um, the actress what's her name she's on I can't think of it right now, but you've got like all these all this pop music and all this sound and all the all the hype behind what it's doing. I mean Orlando Orlando was hilarious because we all came from Orlando. You know, back Street was in Orlando, we were living in Orlando, and um here we'd all go downtown. It was the same time all the wake boarders started to get popular too. So here we are in this little town where we'd always gone out and done stuff like this, and now suddenly came this little microcosm and this, oh man, where's the next pop actor? Who are we signing here? And like friends of ours would be like getting record deals or this guy that we know that works that always just as a hanger on or is like, yeah, I just got a record deal. You know. It's it's crazy just the way it all all came out like that, and to be in in in that moment and to be there and look back on it, like you imagine where if you were in Seattle during the beginning of grunge, right and you're going to see some of these bands play in these little, tiny, you know, clubs or whatever, knowing that this is gonna be huge, and then suddenly boom it becomes this microcos everybody, what's the next band out of Seattle? Where some band in Seattle was probably sitting there, you know, making eight dollars and sucking and getting a record deal because they were around at the right time and that That's kind of what it was like with us. I mean, we were the band that sucked. So I was like, so what do you do? Because I see you have a show coming up in Tulsa. Yeah, it's funny. When you were talking about that on the radio too, I was like, man, I only do like one or two of those a year. I buddies of mine I golfed with the other day and they were like, dude, we heard you on the Bobby Bones Show. You said you were doing nothing this week. I was like, I'm not really doing anything this week. There's like you're golfing with us today, and I'm like, that's that's something like you really, you know, talk about no I've got um Like this weekend, for instance, I go to I'm going to Ohio, I host a uh with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I do like the Arnold's Got Talent and then I do this miss teen Arnold over there. I've done it for like five years already, and it's a lot of funs, you know. Columbus so we get to go home and see in laws and um, I'm doing uh, I do this show called just started, This a t c K thing all the cool kids that um A J. From the Battery Boys also is a part of and we like switch Off. Um. You know, there's just a lot of I do. It's weird because like my schedule is like my schedule. It's not like I'm gonna post all these appearances and what I'm doing. It's just like it's just my schedule, like oh, I'm flying up and hosting this thing or or doing this. I don't think about, oh, well, maybe somebody would want to come out to that. I'm horrible with social I'm learning and learning to be better. Who is the most nineties celebrity that you were meeting? The most nine meaning man, you get it, the most nineties That would be tough because there was just so I mean you know that man, I don't even know. I mean I would almost say us, you know, or like seeing each other, yeah, seeing seeing the other guys in our hair does and outfits, or or the Backstreet Boys or Brittany, Um man, I don't know, like, uh, it was lou Bega, Oh yeah, Mombo number five, number five good ones something like that there was. I mean, you know, we were all kind of it's weird because we were all around it, you know. Oh, No Mercy, remember I love those guys. Those guys are amazing guys. I love those guys. Um, they were just reproducing you guys like crazy. But well, No Mercy was before us, but no Mercy, but New Degrees was before us. But to us the fan, we know as first what blows up first? So no Mercy blew up. I mean they were. They were kind of dancy though they were like I think blow up is not fair because it wasn't. You guys didn't maybe as songs, maybe as as songs go they blew up, maybe not as the band like they weren't. You know you I couldn't name them all because I know him, but you probably couldn't name could you name any of the guys the guys, no, right, I mean, but that's my point, right, That's that's why I'm like with the New Kids, it was always you know, Joey Jordan's you know the other guy. I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't a big than Actually I actually opened up for them, which you a funny story. A funny story in Columbus, Ohio. UM I made the all Ohio State Fair Youth Choir, and uh our choir was sitting on the sides of the stage during the show, and we started out like we sang first, and then the new kids performed and we got to sit like in our choir sacred off area and watch the thing. And I was like, oh my god, telling everybody like they're like, oh, you open up for the new kids. I'm like, man, I could dance better than new kids. And I was like doing flips off the trees and landing on my head and you know, break dance and doing I was like, man, I could beat the new kids whatever. Because I was like, you, you know, I was in high school. It's like boys, new kids were not the thing that you go, oh my god, new kids is that the best ever? You know, it was tough. I appreciate them. I think they're great guys, but when I was in high school, I couldn't. It was just weird for me, you know, to be listening to them all the time, which is why when people come out to me, they're like, hey, man, you know I didn't listen to you guys whatever. I'm like, hey, that's totally fine. I get it. Guys do that, right, because they'll do that to me, and I'm sure on on a lesser level of like, hey, listen, man, I don't even like your show, but my wife loves you. And I'm like, you don't have to say you don't like the show, just say hey, you mind if I get a picture, you can eliminate all. I don't think less of you. Actually I like you more, right right. I think I think it's just kind of for themselves, like or maybe it's one of their friends is looking. They're like, dude, you were all over Bobby Bones. I saw that. Man, you totally you totally think he's the coolest guy in the planet, don't you. You know he and I wish that wasn't Some of the people will make fun of right when you tell me about it. Try being in a boy band. How rough was that? Because at at times it was awesome? But if you're like around a very man because you're a sports guy, masculine guy, and in that world at times you could be. But you know what, though, I think I think that's another reason we kind of change things, because first of all, the word boy band wasn't. I don't hardly ever remember hearing it used when we were in a band, Like maybe it was a European thing, like because in Europe, you know, you talk about a bunch of boy bands, there was you know, tens and tens of boy bands over there. But um, I think I think we changed that a little bit, you know, Um with the dancing that we were doing, and you know, we were doing acrobat we were flipping, you know, we were I think it was like a it was. It was a little we tried to make it a little tougher, a little bit you know, more edgy, I guess, And hence that's why we came up with dirty pop and things like that. It's like, you know, we made it. We made it to where it was one of those things where well, I mean, I don't tell my friends I listened to it, but I listened to it, you know kind of thing. And I mean now it's now it's changed, because it's definitely changed for me. Like I don't mind running around saying I loved one direction. You know, there's so many great songs that they've had, you know, but I'm also a dad and a husband, now, and I'm not a teenage boy going I can't like one direction. They're like guys and I'm not into guys. It's and it's it's that funny going going back to what we were talking about earlier, about like the eighties and stuff like, look at those look at those hair bands, look at what they look like. They looked like girls, you know, all the hairspray, the makeup, everything like that. But every guy was like, dude, guys the coolest. I want to be like that when I grow up. I want to get all the girls like he does and everything like you're sure you're not saying she because you know you never know. Well, I'm gonna end with this question that you get asked all the time, but if I don't, people get hit me up. Any talks about you guys getting back together, even for a thing after after your show, And I said, um, what I said, I've already gotten flak. But you know, there was there was a lot of talks for a lot of different things, but there's nothing in the future as of as of right now, you know, not saying there. There's so many fans out there that take every little thing we say, and if we say you know, well we're talking. Suddenly they run with it and you know they're getting back together. They're doing something. And then if like I say, you know, we're not doing anything, they're like, oh, Chris, I hate Chris. He said, they're never doing anything. Whatever. But you know it's I can guarantee you that someday, you know, we'll do something. There's nothing as of right now that we're all planning on, you know, doing something together as the five of us, the four of us or whatever. Was awesome. Cella was so much fun, and you know, it did give me for the first time I actually looked at it and said, you know, the four of us really aren't that bad like that. We could, you know, we could do it because you know, Justin's Justin's Justin just released trolls now to Justin's busy, Justin's got his own thing going, and it's it was never you know, it was never just Justin. Everybody always blames Justin or it's not true. It's it's not it's not just him, you know, it was it was all of us. We there was a point where a lot of us really couldn't get along that well and really not figure out. Now we get along greade again, you know, so are we gonna together? Yeah, we're probably gonna get together real shortly. You know, the five of us to hang out and be brothers because we're best friends and we're brothers. So getting the five us together is one thing. But it's tough to do that because even if the five is get together, somebody sees the five of us or somebody says something like, oh, I think they're doing something and if they're not, they're is teasing us or whatever. It's like, they're my brothers. When you go to Collective Soul later, is that who I'm going to see? It is right mine? Well, you know most of the songs, and I'm sure I will. I'm sure I will. I have. My buddy asked me to go and I was like I thought we were doing this tomorrow and I was like, yeah, I can go, and he said this and I'm like, oh, I can't go. And I was like, you know what, I want to go see Collective Soul. It's not gonna be till later and go. That's Shine too, and yeah, I think that the Red album. This is back when I used to do BMG or Columbia house and help me for it. Yeah, you get like eight c ds. We signed our first label, We signed to his BMG, and the first thing I said was, Hey, do I still owe you guys that six dollars for all those CDs? They would come in too, They would just I just get a stack of them, and my life was mad. The cheap ones were great, but it's when they started you forgot to say no, I don't want the monthly selection for thirty eight dollars or whatever. Yeah, what are they gonna do? I didn't know this at the top. I was going to jump in your house. I thought I was going some time. People would knock and I'll be like, oh my god, it's cops. And then after a while I was like, I guess I'm not going to jail. But then I where my credit was ruined. When I was like fourteen, I started worrying about that early. And then I remember someone saying, well, it takes seven years. And when I turned twenty one, I remember going, I'm clear of Colombia. Finally I can I can really let go and then live my life now. Well, listen, man, I appreciate I appreciate coming by. Yeah, thanks, I appreciate. Uh, you're cool, dude. You know you've lived around here for a while. They learning for a while. We never get really gonna know each other. But I might any question for Chris before he leaves. I have fun at the show tonight. Not a question, not a question, any any question again. I think I'm good, Okay, good to see episode two thirty. Follow Chris. I am see Kirkpatrick on Instagram. That's get him so many followers. He gets sponsors and all of a sudden he's got a new way to make revenue. That's the goal. Helps in the kids to school, private school. No, No, Paul McCartney put his kids in public school. Speaking of Paul McCartney, he was like, I think that was tough decision. But I'm like, no, he's got to go to public school. We were I was leaving at Juice Place today and there was his kids. Weren't a private school kids. You can tell by their uniforms, and they were like, hey, Bobby. It is like, hey, what's up to go? Do you know? Blah blah blah. Take a picture and then they get in like a BMW SUV. She was like sixteen years old and gets into BMD and I was like a heartbreaking. Yeah yeah, so heartbreak right there we go. I am Chris kark Patt. I am C Kirkpatrick on Instagram. We'll see guys next time.