Rachel Steele on Condiment Fetishes, Taboo Fantasies & Going Viral

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My guest
<v Speaker 1>today is a true pioneer in the world of adult entertainment.
<v Speaker 1>She was one of the first taboo milf content creators.
<v Speaker 1>She's the creative force behind Red Milf Productions, and she's
<v Speaker 1>navigated shifts in the industry for nearly two decades. Welcome
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Steele. Hello, Hello, how are you very good?
<v Speaker 3>Thank you?
<v Speaker 4>I was thinking when you walked in.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you dressed up, because sometimes I dress
<v Speaker 1>up and I want my guests to express themselves in
<v Speaker 1>the way that makes sense for them. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of younger ladies on here, and
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you know, they're just like in jeans and a
<v Speaker 1>T shirt, and they make me feel overdressed on my
<v Speaker 1>own show.
<v Speaker 5>I love an opportunity to get dressed up, same same,
<v Speaker 5>wear a dress and some heels. Yes, yes, even when
<v Speaker 5>it's one hundred degrees see exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, do you feel like you appreciate that
<v Speaker 1>more as you've gotten older, because I have. When I
<v Speaker 1>was younger, like I didn't care that much, but now
<v Speaker 1>I'm like when I have you to wear.
<v Speaker 5>Nice definitely, yes, I enjoy getting dressed up and looking
<v Speaker 5>in the mirror and feeling put together.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely.
<v Speaker 5>As I've gotten older, right, I take more pride and
<v Speaker 5>how I look and how I feel, I.
<v Speaker 4>Think because we all have to take now.
<v Speaker 1>We're at a stage where we have to take care
<v Speaker 1>of ourselves, right, yes, yeah, yeah, like all that works,
<v Speaker 1>you're goin to do all that, you might as.
<v Speaker 3>Well throw some nice looking clothes onto exactly.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's start at the beginning before you
<v Speaker 1>ever got into this world. What was life like for you?
<v Speaker 1>What were you doing before you came into the adult industry?
<v Speaker 5>Quick little childhood burst. Born and raised in New England,
<v Speaker 5>very conservative, vanilla life, no discussions about around sex or sexuality.
<v Speaker 5>Growing up in the seventies, child of divorce, just a
<v Speaker 5>lot of slut shaming and just no sex positivity whatsoever.
<v Speaker 5>So fast forward, I am now an adult with two children.
<v Speaker 5>I left my first marriage and was in a in
<v Speaker 5>the hair salon industry. So I owned a hair salon
<v Speaker 5>for about fifteen years. I did nails and had a
<v Speaker 5>full service salon.
<v Speaker 4>So you're doing these things.
<v Speaker 1>What what made you decide to make a pretty significant
<v Speaker 1>transition in your life.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, so I did that for about fifteen years, working
<v Speaker 5>about six days a week. You know, when you own
<v Speaker 5>your own business, you're always there. You're doing the cleaning
<v Speaker 5>and everything because you can't really afford to delegate too much. So,
<v Speaker 5>you know, and single mother, two children, just you know,
<v Speaker 5>struggling but happy.
<v Speaker 3>Fast forward.
<v Speaker 5>I meet my new partner at the time, and we're
<v Speaker 5>together for several years, enjoying each other's company, and one
<v Speaker 5>day we're in the backyard and We're on the swimming
<v Speaker 5>in the swimming pool and we're having cocktails and enjoying
<v Speaker 5>the summer. And I get this idea to run in
<v Speaker 5>the house and put on a white tank top that
<v Speaker 5>says lifeguard on the front and put on a little
<v Speaker 5>red thong, jump in the water and jump out. And
<v Speaker 5>I started flipping my wet hair, and he's taking pictures
<v Speaker 5>of me, and we're just having goofing around, just having fun.
<v Speaker 5>And a couple days later, he says, you know, those
<v Speaker 5>pictures we took came out pretty good, and I've uploaded
<v Speaker 5>him on the computer. They look really good, like modeling good.
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, oh, well, whatever, thanks, And then
<v Speaker 5>he said, so there's this adult website that I watch
<v Speaker 5>sometimes and I'm like, m hmmm. Meanwhile, I'm not even
<v Speaker 5>consuming porn, like literally not even thinking about that. So
<v Speaker 5>he's like, they're having a contest, hot wife contest. Do
<v Speaker 5>you want me to put your picture up there? The
<v Speaker 5>prize is a cash prize, pretty big cash prize, So
<v Speaker 5>I said sure, why not?
<v Speaker 3>So he threw it up.
<v Speaker 5>I won and I got like several hundred dollars And
<v Speaker 5>this was twenty years ago, and so that was a
<v Speaker 5>good chunk of money, and I was like, wow, can
<v Speaker 5>we do that again? You know, this would be a
<v Speaker 5>great way to supplement my income at the salon. And
<v Speaker 5>I went down the rabbit hole and went online and
<v Speaker 5>started to learn more about the adult industry, and it
<v Speaker 5>took me to camming and I started. I started webcamming
<v Speaker 5>at the house with a tripod and a camera and
<v Speaker 5>just started filming my camming sessions. Then I started opened
<v Speaker 5>the Clips for Sale store. I started putting those little
<v Speaker 5>edited clips, and my husband at the time, he would
<v Speaker 5>edit them for me. He had a full time job
<v Speaker 5>in Corporate America. He's a retired marine, so very vanilla life.
<v Speaker 5>We were both living and I'm doing these webcam shows.
<v Speaker 5>I'm never heard of these fetishes before that people are
<v Speaker 5>asking me for do you have this, do you have that?
<v Speaker 3>Do how many shoes do you have? What kind of
<v Speaker 3>shoes are they? Could you put them on? Could you
<v Speaker 3>do that in our session? And I'm like yes.
<v Speaker 1>It was one of my favorite things about Clips for
<v Speaker 1>Sale because that's like one of the first content creator
<v Speaker 1>platforms that you could sell your own content, right, yes, yes,
<v Speaker 1>And they had every fetish imaginable on there, and so
<v Speaker 1>I would go on there and just look through the
<v Speaker 1>categories and just like be awe struck by the very
<v Speaker 1>specific yes, different fetishes absolutely, you know, hair washing.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, blowing bubbles with bubble gum, shaving your legs, brushing
<v Speaker 5>your teeth, tapping your nails, blonde glass and then of
<v Speaker 5>course all kinds of others. Yeah, I was fascinated by
<v Speaker 5>that as well. The whole psychology behind it all is
<v Speaker 5>what really pulled me in more than the sexual side
<v Speaker 5>of it or anything like that. It was more like,
<v Speaker 5>I want to know what makes these people tick. Plus
<v Speaker 5>I was getting money, getting paid, so I was like
<v Speaker 5>this is this is I like this, you know, And
<v Speaker 5>I liked the vulnerability of people telling me their deepest,
<v Speaker 5>darkest secrets, fantasies, fetishes, telling me things like people think
<v Speaker 5>that they're sick or they're you know, they're not well
<v Speaker 5>for having these fantasies. So it was and it still
<v Speaker 5>is very rewarding to be able to produce and know
<v Speaker 5>that people are benefiting somehow mental health as well as
<v Speaker 5>other other ways.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I started webcamming.
<v Speaker 5>Then I with my entrepreneur mind, I started to think,
<v Speaker 5>you know, I was working for shooting for some other
<v Speaker 5>production companies in Tampa. Tampa's a big fetish capital place.
<v Speaker 5>There's a fetish industry is huge there. So I started
<v Speaker 5>working with other producers and watching my sales go up
<v Speaker 5>on their sites. That's when I decided, let me try
<v Speaker 5>to do this myself as well. And then I started
<v Speaker 5>to record some of my sessions, and then I started
<v Speaker 5>making solo videos myself and putting them on clips for sale.
<v Speaker 1>So when you say sessions, what do you mean by that?
<v Speaker 5>That was webcamming? Okay, well ten minute cam sessions.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, gotcha.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So now what were some of the most interesting
<v Speaker 1>fetishes that you did or maybe were requested to do?
<v Speaker 5>There was food wet and messy. There was a couple
<v Speaker 5>of people that wanted that. And then I always found
<v Speaker 5>that interesting because it wasn't anything like a little whipped cream,
<v Speaker 5>you know, and chocolate. It was like, what have you
<v Speaker 5>got in the refrigerator? And I'm like, I have every
<v Speaker 5>condiment that you can have. And then they would say,
<v Speaker 5>all right, get all the condiments out, mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish,
<v Speaker 5>whatever you have and put a I would put a
<v Speaker 5>rubber sheet on the floor, tilt the camera down, and
<v Speaker 5>then just start covering myself in all of the condiments,
<v Speaker 5>and then sometimes they would want me to masturbate or
<v Speaker 5>use a dildo, and I would have to be very
<v Speaker 5>careful because you don't want relish or mayonnaise, and all
<v Speaker 5>kinds of health problems could arise. And I'm like, well, well,
<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe we could skip that part, you know,
<v Speaker 5>or I could do that first, and then you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, but probably the whole fetish is the fact
<v Speaker 1>that you're mask reading yeah, condoms.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes.
<v Speaker 5>And then the other one that was really odd was
<v Speaker 5>and this was only this has only been requested one
<v Speaker 5>time in my twenty year career. He said, do you
<v Speaker 5>have any diving gear? And my husband at the time
<v Speaker 5>was a diver. I'm like, I do. It's like right across,
<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at the closet. It's in there. He's like,
<v Speaker 5>could you get the mask, the fins and the snow
<v Speaker 5>out and put those on nude and then just masturbate
<v Speaker 5>with those on and then like occasionally go like this
<v Speaker 5>so it looks like you're swimming. So of course, and
<v Speaker 5>that's what I did. And I'm sitting in the chair
<v Speaker 5>flipping my feet with these big flipper things on, and
<v Speaker 5>I'm going like that. And then my husband comes home
<v Speaker 5>from work and he looks in the office and I'm like.
<v Speaker 3>I'll be right with you.
<v Speaker 6>There's in the oven, poor glass of wine. Oh I'm
<v Speaker 6>still here. Ooh the water is so deep, you know,
<v Speaker 6>And that's it. So Other than that, it was.
<v Speaker 5>Mostly normal more. I don't want to say normal. I
<v Speaker 5>don't want to kink shame anybody, but.
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, but like, what the kind of standard things
<v Speaker 1>that I guess we're used to hearing, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>know fetishes and yeah, foot fetishes, I know that common panties.
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever do like the gigantis ones? I know
<v Speaker 1>that's very popular, Yes, where you make yourself look really
<v Speaker 1>big and yeah, the viewer.
<v Speaker 5>I have over five thousand videos that I've created in
<v Speaker 5>these two decades.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 5>And Clips for Sale was the first place that I
<v Speaker 5>ever went to, and they were the first ones, like
<v Speaker 5>you said, the first downloadable clip store that was in existence.
<v Speaker 5>I met the owner at the time. His name is Neil.
<v Speaker 5>He's no longer the owner. I think he's shifted it
<v Speaker 5>over to other people, but he's still in the industry
<v Speaker 5>and amazing. And I met him at a foot party
<v Speaker 5>and he was like.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you got to get on my site. You got
<v Speaker 3>to sell your stuff on my site.
<v Speaker 5>So that's how I ended up there and doing the same,
<v Speaker 5>just looking scrolling at all the different fetishes and just
<v Speaker 5>amazed and clicking on the weirdest ones and finding out
<v Speaker 5>that the studio does really well.
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, did anybody ever tell you or revealed to you,
<v Speaker 1>like why they had a very specific fetish? Was there
<v Speaker 1>ever any interesting story behind somebody's request.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>A lot of stories that I've heard is from childhood people.
<v Speaker 3>I've said things from childhood.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I remember there was one about the nail tapping,
<v Speaker 5>and he said that he had a teacher when he
<v Speaker 5>was young in grade school, and she was very beautiful,
<v Speaker 5>and she was very strict, and she would tap her
<v Speaker 5>nails on the desk, just probably without even realizing she
<v Speaker 5>was doing it, like when they were all working on
<v Speaker 5>their school work. She would sit and look around the
<v Speaker 5>classroom and just sort of gently tap her nails, and
<v Speaker 5>he would look up whenever he felt safe to look up,
<v Speaker 5>and would look at her nails because the sound was distracting.
<v Speaker 3>And then she was distracting, he said.
<v Speaker 5>And then ever since then, that's it, you know, he's
<v Speaker 5>been fascinated by women's hands and nails and the nail tapping. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>and the same with pantyhose and high heels. Pantyhose is
<v Speaker 5>a huge fetish and you know, you know, and I
<v Speaker 5>know when we slip on a pair of pantyhose and
<v Speaker 5>look in the mirror, we're not like, oh oh yeah.
<v Speaker 3>We're like get it in. There was sausage time, you know.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there's people, you know, so many that just
<v Speaker 5>love to see you in pantyhose, and you know, and
<v Speaker 5>that I really believe that comes from fit and polished,
<v Speaker 5>polished looks from the past, you know, teachers or authority figures.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, yeah, because you're right.
<v Speaker 1>The few fans that I've spoken to or other creators
<v Speaker 1>who've you know, talked about when they've discovered people's reasoning
<v Speaker 1>behind their requests, it's almost always something that happened to
<v Speaker 1>them at this key moment in their adolescence when they're
<v Speaker 1>like having that sexual awakening and something occurs and it
<v Speaker 1>just creates like this, there's like this bonding that goes
<v Speaker 1>on with and then they associate like a sexual feeling
<v Speaker 1>with that particular thing.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for the rest of their like a sexual trigger
<v Speaker 5>and it's become sexualized or fetishized.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so interesting because I you know, I have
<v Speaker 1>my fantasies and I go through them, but I can't
<v Speaker 1>stick to like one, like one thing for my whole
<v Speaker 1>life would never serve me. But I guess some people
<v Speaker 1>can just yeah, one thing can be through the same
<v Speaker 1>I'm constantly evolving and learning and finding things that I
<v Speaker 1>used to like five years ago that today are just
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, you know, but I mean we evolve as humans,
<v Speaker 1>so we evolve sexually too. And but you're right, some people, boy,
<v Speaker 1>it's like solid, It's like that fetish will never go away.
<v Speaker 4>It's the only thing.
<v Speaker 5>Hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so interesting. So when you started posting this
<v Speaker 1>taboo like content online, did you realize at the time
<v Speaker 1>that you were one of, like the only people doing
<v Speaker 1>it or did that did you recognize that later?
<v Speaker 5>So I was on clips for sale and doing all
<v Speaker 5>this fetishy stuff from A to Z, So, you know,
<v Speaker 5>like I said earlier, I have videos that are twenty
<v Speaker 5>years old starting from the very beginning that are all fetishi.
<v Speaker 5>And then I sort of evolved into working with male
<v Speaker 5>talent and working with my husband on camera, and then
<v Speaker 5>there wasn't a lot of talk about Milf. You know.
<v Speaker 5>Then the movie American Pie came out and that's when
<v Speaker 5>it kind of surged, and a customer wrote to me
<v Speaker 5>and said, would you consider making this custom video for me?
<v Speaker 3>And it was mom steps on.
<v Speaker 5>I'll say steps on because we're not supposed to do
<v Speaker 5>the other, but it was the other. At the time,
<v Speaker 5>we didn't have all of these rules and regulations to
<v Speaker 5>go by. So I read the script and it was
<v Speaker 5>like mom son stuff, and I was like, I don't
<v Speaker 5>have a problem with this this because it's fantasy. This
<v Speaker 5>is fantasy roleplay. I'm a film producer, I'm creating a film.
<v Speaker 5>This is not my lifestyle. This is not my actual
<v Speaker 5>family member. So we made it when we threw it
<v Speaker 5>up on Clips for Sale, and it went right to
<v Speaker 5>number one, like shot right up the charts, number one.
<v Speaker 5>It snowballed after that and my studio went up to
<v Speaker 5>number one, and then we just sat there for almost
<v Speaker 5>a decade at number one selling studio on clips for Sale,
<v Speaker 5>And that was when Taboo Milf Red Milf was born. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>and then I realized, wow, this is really something. Yes,
<v Speaker 5>it's huge demand, but I really I had no idea.
<v Speaker 5>I didn't even see the movie American Pie, and I
<v Speaker 5>didn't know what MILF was until someone told me. I
<v Speaker 5>didn't know what it stood for and my LF I
<v Speaker 5>had no idea.
<v Speaker 4>Were you surprised by how well that clip did?
<v Speaker 3>Yes? I was, yeah.
<v Speaker 5>I again, I'm a film producer, I'm a writer, a director,
<v Speaker 5>an actor, So to me, this was just creating a story,
<v Speaker 5>a storyline. I wasn't thinking about it in that way
<v Speaker 5>that it's so taboo. I really didn't think about it
<v Speaker 5>like that, and it really was. I think that's why
<v Speaker 5>it might have done so well.
<v Speaker 1>The stepmom genre is still sort of controversial today, but
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's almost become like a joke now
<v Speaker 1>at this point. So what was the response like twenty
<v Speaker 1>years ago or was it just not.
<v Speaker 4>Really out in the public.
<v Speaker 1>I mean there was no social media, right, so there
<v Speaker 1>was no one on Twitter to yell at you exactly,
<v Speaker 1>and you were probably just dealing directly only with your customers.
<v Speaker 1>You clearly liked it, so I guess you probably didn't
<v Speaker 1>get like any kind of negative feedback on it.
<v Speaker 5>No, No, And it went right up like it was insane,
<v Speaker 5>the sales and how it just shot right up. So
<v Speaker 5>that tells you what's going on. So we're like, okay,
<v Speaker 5>this is what this is really good. We're going to
<v Speaker 5>keep doing this. So then from there on I started
<v Speaker 5>to create milf content where everything that I did I
<v Speaker 5>was a milth and you know, more family fantasies, right
<v Speaker 5>and all of that, and that was my ladder to success.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so many older women these days like that's
<v Speaker 1>their bread and butter.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, step yeah, steps.
<v Speaker 5>But now I just feel like it is like getting
<v Speaker 5>to be out of control because you see, like twenty
<v Speaker 5>two year old's my step mom's hot friend.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, daughter, Yeah, she's the daughter, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone's trying to like capitalize on this. Yeah, why
<v Speaker 1>do you think it's so popular?
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I think that older women to younger men,
<v Speaker 5>it's a mystery.
<v Speaker 3>We know what we want.
<v Speaker 5>We were sexually experienced, we can take charge, we're.
<v Speaker 3>In control, you know. I think there's those elements.
<v Speaker 5>I honestly don't think it has to do with anything
<v Speaker 5>to do with like actual men are actually attracted to
<v Speaker 5>their birth mothers. I don't think that's the case at all. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>I think it's just older woman attraction. And I think
<v Speaker 5>it's probably sexy to younger men when we have we've already.
<v Speaker 3>Had children, we're married.
<v Speaker 5>All these things are appealing to certain you know, to
<v Speaker 5>certain people, like that's why there's the whole cheating thing
<v Speaker 5>and you know, slutty housewives and stuff because they're married,
<v Speaker 5>so that's taboo. So I think it's just the whole
<v Speaker 5>taboo element. But yeah, older women more experience. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 5>think also too.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, obviously we've seen like a surge and
<v Speaker 1>divorces and you know, broken families since women actually like
<v Speaker 1>had more autonomy and could get out of unhappy situations,
<v Speaker 1>and so I feel like maybe that's probably there's something
<v Speaker 1>behind there. Maybe a lot of men have come from
<v Speaker 1>places where they had a stepmom. Yeah, and then like
<v Speaker 1>that authority figure, that woman who's not related to you,
<v Speaker 1>right because you're not attracted to your other is in
<v Speaker 1>the house all the time, and you're seeing that person
<v Speaker 1>as you're going through adolescents and as you're changing.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's probably something there too.
<v Speaker 1>And then you know there's just the porn sites that
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh this does well, let me put out
<v Speaker 1>only this content all the time. And then people like
<v Speaker 1>go to a site and they're like is there anything else?
<v Speaker 1>Does anybody make anything else?
<v Speaker 3>Exactly?
<v Speaker 1>And it almost becomes like what came first? A chicken
<v Speaker 1>or the egg? Like I watch a lot of Stepmom
<v Speaker 1>content because there's so much of it, yes, or like
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like I like it because
<v Speaker 1>it's there, or.
<v Speaker 3>Is this just the new norm and this is all that?
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's all that. Like you're feeding
<v Speaker 4>me exactly exactly.
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<v Speaker 1>You've got one body take care of it like it
<v Speaker 1>takes care of you, so you're obviously doing this taboo content.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you started this, you said twenty years ago.
<v Speaker 1>We've seen so many things in the adult industry change.
<v Speaker 1>How have you seen taboo and fetish genres of all
<v Speaker 1>over the years.
<v Speaker 5>Well, definitely a lot more restrictions and saturation in the marketplace.
<v Speaker 5>So I've watched unfortunately, you know, trending. You know, something
<v Speaker 5>is selling for individuals, so now everybody's doing it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>then it just gets so saturated, and you know, it
<v Speaker 5>kind of takes away from the whole art of producing
<v Speaker 5>and directing and writing stories and coming up with really
<v Speaker 5>good storylines and.
<v Speaker 3>You know, just to you know, make a quickie.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, I think that it's really gotten saturated, and yeah,
<v Speaker 5>it's changed a lot in that manner.
<v Speaker 1>And you find it difficult to work with the restrictions.
<v Speaker 1>I mean specifically on certain platforms.
<v Speaker 5>It's really really Instagrams are getting deleted, shut down. There's
<v Speaker 5>no one you can talk to when that happens. It's
<v Speaker 5>just you went against community guide lines. What did I
<v Speaker 5>do you see the picture? What's wrong with this picture?
<v Speaker 5>It could be a word you used. You could have
<v Speaker 5>used the word milf and that could have flagged something.
<v Speaker 5>So now it's like, you know, what, what can we say?
<v Speaker 5>How can we post? Can we sit on a bed
<v Speaker 5>and talk? Like I've heard you're not supposed to be
<v Speaker 5>on a bed. I heard you're not supposed to be
<v Speaker 5>in your underwear?
<v Speaker 3>You're not.
<v Speaker 5>You know, there's so many it's just ridiculous. You know,
<v Speaker 5>it's like, what are we allowed to share anymore? And
<v Speaker 5>how long is this gonna last? I mean, is Twitter
<v Speaker 5>going to be there forever or is it going to go?
<v Speaker 5>And what happens if it goes intoto the industry? And no,
<v Speaker 5>guys can't do that anymore? You know, then you've got
<v Speaker 5>meta and it's just really I don't know where it's going.
<v Speaker 1>But now, what about restrictions on like actually making adult content,
<v Speaker 1>because there are like so many new guide you know,
<v Speaker 1>the credit card companies have really come down hard on
<v Speaker 1>the adult industry and put in all kinds of very
<v Speaker 1>specific restraint. And when I was directing, there was some
<v Speaker 1>really crazy shit that we had to go by. I
<v Speaker 1>remember one of the things and this isn't necessarily crazy,
<v Speaker 1>but it's just annoying that you have to write this
<v Speaker 1>into the script where I think in like the first
<v Speaker 1>five minutes you have to make sure that you established,
<v Speaker 1>if it's a step scene, that the younger step son
<v Speaker 1>or stepdaughter was of eight was over the age of
<v Speaker 1>eighteen when they like met the stepmom or the stepdad,
<v Speaker 1>so there was no suggestion that they were ever there
<v Speaker 1>was ever anything going on when they were under age,
<v Speaker 1>which I totally understand. Sure, it was just like you
<v Speaker 1>always had to write in there somewhere, like it would
<v Speaker 1>have to be something like, you know, when you married
<v Speaker 1>my dad when I was eighteen, I was really mad,
<v Speaker 1>like something, you know what I.
<v Speaker 5>Mean, and you're my step mom, you know, and then
<v Speaker 5>you have to verbalize step son or daughter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and then you know other things around you know, consent,
<v Speaker 1>which again obviously like consent is a very important part
<v Speaker 1>of what we do and behind the scenes we are
<v Speaker 1>very adamant about it. But like one of the restrictions
<v Speaker 1>was you couldn't even if somebody was sleeping, you couldn't
<v Speaker 1>touch them, Yes, like you couldn't tap them awake, Like
<v Speaker 1>if we were shooting a dialogue scene.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's no sex in the scene at all.
<v Speaker 1>Someone's sleeping and the husband comes in and like shakes
<v Speaker 1>her awake.
<v Speaker 3>Nope, that's out. Can't touch them. You can't do it.
<v Speaker 5>You have you shouldn't be sleeping, you shouldn't do it
<v Speaker 5>because it's just yeah, And I'm just like, and there's
<v Speaker 5>no more hypnosis, mind's control.
<v Speaker 1>That's a huge fetter. You can't have a lot a
<v Speaker 1>lot of times. You can't have like a glass of wine. No,
<v Speaker 1>no more in there.
<v Speaker 5>And in most of my films, again coming from twenty
<v Speaker 5>years ago, watching sitcoms, this is those were my you know,
<v Speaker 5>those were my muses. Was like watching Will and Grace
<v Speaker 5>and I Love Lucy and all these shows I love.
<v Speaker 5>And so I'm like, all right, we're going to start
<v Speaker 5>the scene out where you see the car keys, the
<v Speaker 5>car engine turn off, and I want you to film
<v Speaker 5>my feet the door open, the shoes hit the ground,
<v Speaker 5>clip clop, clip keys into the front door, drop the keys,
<v Speaker 5>Pour a martini which is water into a martini glass,
<v Speaker 5>just water. We're not really drinking on the you know,
<v Speaker 5>making a film, and then drop the olives, sit down,
<v Speaker 5>kick off the heels. This is a whole setup that
<v Speaker 5>we see on TV. This is how people set up scenes.
<v Speaker 5>The person got home from work, they're tired, they slip
<v Speaker 5>off their shoes, they have a cold, drink, you know,
<v Speaker 5>and we can't do that. So I'm literally older content.
<v Speaker 5>We're having to chop it up and remove and it's
<v Speaker 5>I just don't you know, I don't understand why our
<v Speaker 5>industry has to do that. But yet you can watch
<v Speaker 5>this on TV on the other networks.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 1>So are there any platforms that you're able to sell
<v Speaker 1>your content in whole?
<v Speaker 4>Or is this for is this across the board for
<v Speaker 4>every every form?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because I'm on all the platforms. Clips for sale, many.
<v Speaker 1>VIDs for sales also liked to fan down with these strictions.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it's the banking, the MasterCard and visa.
<v Speaker 1>I knew that, like there was some putting it down
<v Speaker 1>on every single platform, and if they're not happening now,
<v Speaker 1>they will, yeah, because there were some platforms that were
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit more lenient than other ones, and
<v Speaker 1>it all came down to their interpretation of the rules.
<v Speaker 1>But I did actually just get a notification from Fansy
<v Speaker 1>recently that a bunch of things that were previously okay
<v Speaker 1>are now no longer okay.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anything suggests that you're in public.
<v Speaker 3>And content too.
<v Speaker 5>With the holding up the both IDs they have to
<v Speaker 5>be pictures so if I have content that's fifteen years old,
<v Speaker 5>and I worked with all amateur people that answered backpage
<v Speaker 5>and Craigslist ads. I never hired a professional. I've never
<v Speaker 5>worked with professionals or done mainstream eighteen years. I did
<v Speaker 5>all just so you don't have litter men answering ads
<v Speaker 5>that I put out. Yeah, and I can't reach them now, yeah,
<v Speaker 5>you know, so it's tricky. Yeah, that's what my website
<v Speaker 5>is good for.
<v Speaker 1>So before we started the show, you mentioned that you
<v Speaker 1>are in training to be a dominator.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us about that?
<v Speaker 5>Yes, A little plug mistress Damiana Chi here in Los Angeles.
<v Speaker 5>She owns the Temple of Chi and she has an academy.
<v Speaker 1>And if you guys haven't seen her, she was on
<v Speaker 1>my show, So go check that episode out. It's really interesting.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, really good episode. And she's PhD in psychology, so fascinating.
<v Speaker 5>So this is way more than just how to dress
<v Speaker 5>in shiny clothes and paddle somebody you know and tell
<v Speaker 5>them to give you money. You know, this is like
<v Speaker 5>really the psychology like I was talking about earlier, when
<v Speaker 5>I was first camming and people were telling me, do
<v Speaker 5>you have this? Can you do that I was just
<v Speaker 5>fast because I've never heard of these desires before, and
<v Speaker 5>they're paying for this, and you know, it's a fetish.
<v Speaker 5>So the world of BDSM is fascinating to me and
<v Speaker 5>I'm very drawn to it. And I realized when i
<v Speaker 5>started to study with the Academy that I've always been
<v Speaker 5>doing this. You know, in all the videos that I've made,
<v Speaker 5>I'm always the one in charge unless it was otherwise written,
<v Speaker 5>but if it's up to me, I'm the one that
<v Speaker 5>walks in the room and takes control, and the younger
<v Speaker 5>man is always ooh, and I'm like, oh, you know,
<v Speaker 5>it's that vibe right right, right right, And I like
<v Speaker 5>that vibe. You know, that's my playful, fun vibe, and
<v Speaker 5>that's just what I like to do. So being a
<v Speaker 5>dom was just like, that's what you do. You walk
<v Speaker 5>in a room and you take control and you take
<v Speaker 5>charge of whomever. Doesn't have to be a young man,
<v Speaker 5>it could be anybody, you know, And I just find
<v Speaker 5>it fascinating the whole power dynamic. And there's like four
<v Speaker 5>archetypes that we're learning about, the mother, the queen, the seductress,
<v Speaker 5>and the authoritarian, and we all embody those four things.
<v Speaker 3>In our lives.
<v Speaker 5>We are mothers where queens were authoritarians, and we are
<v Speaker 5>seductress too, So incorporating all of those into like a
<v Speaker 5>power play scene is really challenging and interesting and really fun.
<v Speaker 1>I think anybody who's experimented in BDSM in any way
<v Speaker 1>can attest to the fact that it is so psychological.
<v Speaker 1>It's so much more mental than it is the physical act.
<v Speaker 1>I was in a BDSM relationship with somebody for a while,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I mean it came down to the way
<v Speaker 1>that he presented himself and that, you know, how he
<v Speaker 1>carried himself and how because I've had other men, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because I tend to be naturally submissive in bed, and
<v Speaker 1>I've had other men try to dominate. Mean, yeah, like
<v Speaker 1>you have to have you have to mean it, Like
<v Speaker 1>when you call me a dirty little horror.
<v Speaker 3>You have to mean it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because if you don't mean it, I need to
<v Speaker 4>feel it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, of course.
<v Speaker 5>And you know, our tone when we use language is
<v Speaker 5>where primal beings from the caveman. So we know in
<v Speaker 5>someone's voice, if it's like you said, like really meaning it,
<v Speaker 5>or if it's just sort of I'm going to dominate you,
<v Speaker 5>you know or I'm dominating you.
<v Speaker 3>She did want your knees, eyes down. She did touch on.
<v Speaker 1>The voice when she was on, and she said something
<v Speaker 1>about how the note at the end has to go
<v Speaker 1>down rather than up, like very specifically, or it.
<v Speaker 5>Sounds like a suggestion or a question, or is it okay? Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>if I tell you to get on your knees, you know,
<v Speaker 5>it's like you just make those commands and yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 5>learning so much. She's a great mentor and teacher, and
<v Speaker 5>she has I don't know how many slaves the dungeon.
<v Speaker 5>But one of the workshops was unbelievable. I was just
<v Speaker 5>sitting there looking around taking it all in. It was
<v Speaker 5>a workshop of six six women, and these other women
<v Speaker 5>had come from all over the United States, like Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 5>and these are like vanilla housewives that have joined this
<v Speaker 5>academy and they want to be doms, but they're not
<v Speaker 5>sure how they're going to do this or where or whatever.
<v Speaker 5>They're just interested and coming from very vanilla marriages. They
<v Speaker 5>all told their stories and I'm, of course, I was
<v Speaker 5>the only one that's in the adult industry, so I
<v Speaker 5>have twenty years in the adult industry.
<v Speaker 3>And they were all like, oh, really, wow.
<v Speaker 5>And we're all sitting in a little circle and the dungeon,
<v Speaker 5>and then the slaves come in, six naked men with
<v Speaker 5>callers on.
<v Speaker 4>She brought one of them here, mm hmm.
<v Speaker 3>What was her name, Sweet Julia or Stacy Stacy who
<v Speaker 3>it was, Yes, very tall, yes, yes, y y yes,
<v Speaker 3>I know them all and it was like, oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 5>And then we there was six of us and six slaves,
<v Speaker 5>so we each could practice and we practice spanking and
<v Speaker 5>then crops, cock and ball ties where we took little
<v Speaker 5>ropes they're very thin, and she did. The slaves are
<v Speaker 5>all laid down on the floor, and she showed us
<v Speaker 5>how to tie their balls and their cock like in
<v Speaker 5>this little design thing and be able to lead them
<v Speaker 5>tie another rope and then you could walk around the
<v Speaker 5>studio and lead them by their cock and balls.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like tying.
<v Speaker 1>My birthday is September fifth, if anyone wants to buy.
<v Speaker 3>Me a But that's like so fasting.
<v Speaker 5>I'm like sitting there tying, and I'm like raising my hand.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know is the rope supposed to go under
<v Speaker 5>or over? She's like through. I'm like, oh, right through.
<v Speaker 3>And then I'm like what when I looked around. I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden reality hits.
<v Speaker 4>What are we? But this is awesome I'm doing?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>Oh, Like I wish I could get my phone and
<v Speaker 5>just go like this right now, because like nobody's gonna believe.
<v Speaker 3>What did you do this weekend?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>You know, I went to an immersive event.
<v Speaker 1>Tell me about it. What has been the most surprising
<v Speaker 1>thing that you've learned so far.
<v Speaker 3>In the whole academy?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, was there anything that you kind of were like, huh,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that or didn't expect that, or didn't
<v Speaker 1>think that this was something that like DOMS needed to
<v Speaker 1>know or I don't notice anything that.
<v Speaker 5>One thing is the psychology behind all of it. So
<v Speaker 5>it's more than just you know, sexual and kinky sex.
<v Speaker 5>It's like it's really it's healing, very healing for a
<v Speaker 5>lot of people. And I've heard that before, But before
<v Speaker 5>I didn't know anything about BDSM. I only knew what
<v Speaker 5>the media kind of projected, that it's dark, dangerous in
<v Speaker 5>dark places that are underground, and you could get hurt,
<v Speaker 5>and you know, it's just sex traffic. Yeah, yes, just
<v Speaker 5>that kind of negative. And I learned that that's just
<v Speaker 5>not the case. I mean, I won't say for everybody,
<v Speaker 5>because you know, there's always those people out there that
<v Speaker 5>give a bad name and they're not are not safe,
<v Speaker 5>but you've got to do your research. That BDSM is
<v Speaker 5>healing and it's it's can help you to grow. And
<v Speaker 5>also the sisterhood that's among the other doms shocked me,
<v Speaker 5>like I'm so not used to women being so supportive
<v Speaker 5>and right there at your fingertips. And there's like a
<v Speaker 5>group chat like on signal or something where all the
<v Speaker 5>doms are and you can just literally reach out, Hey,
<v Speaker 5>I have a question, or Hey, I'm going to be
<v Speaker 5>staying does anyone in San Diego or is anyone here?
<v Speaker 3>And they just answer you right away.
<v Speaker 5>And it's just the support and the sisterhood listening to
<v Speaker 5>women chat. There's a zoom call every Wednesday that the
<v Speaker 5>doms can all join and people are just talking about
<v Speaker 5>everyday life and what's going on in their relationships. It's
<v Speaker 5>like support groups, and they're also supportive and just giving
<v Speaker 5>of their time.
<v Speaker 3>And I was.
<v Speaker 5>Really really happy to learn that because i feel like
<v Speaker 5>I've I've just you know, been I've just made a
<v Speaker 5>new family.
<v Speaker 3>I'm in a new community.
<v Speaker 5>It's very welcoming and loving and nurturing and caring.
<v Speaker 1>So isn't it interesting when women are empowered how they
<v Speaker 1>feel like the freedom and I think the kinship to
<v Speaker 1>support each other. Yes, you know, I find that often
<v Speaker 1>when women are scratching at each other or being caddy,
<v Speaker 1>it's usually because they're competitive, because they're insecure.
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, because they feel disempowered. Yes, I think that that's
<v Speaker 5>absolutely correct. Yeah, we can see through that and have
<v Speaker 5>compassion for those individuals. Realize they're scared, just like when
<v Speaker 5>a dog growls and bites at you.
<v Speaker 4>They're scared free to lose whatever it is that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>they think you're going to take from them.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, all right, So I want to talk about
<v Speaker 1>your break from porn. We took about seven years off
<v Speaker 1>after the death of your husband, Frank. How did your
<v Speaker 1>life change after that kind of sudden loss.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>So he was the partner that I was talking about earlier,
<v Speaker 5>and he ended up leaving his corporate job. When we
<v Speaker 5>started Clips for Sale and we started to surge and
<v Speaker 5>do really well, we both realized we need to do
<v Speaker 5>this full time. I left the salon and he left
<v Speaker 5>his job and we did this for I am a
<v Speaker 5>good eleven years. I guess, so no, seven years. We
<v Speaker 5>did it together for about seven years, and then he
<v Speaker 5>was diagnosed with cancer, polling cancer at forty eight, and
<v Speaker 5>then he died three months later. So it was a
<v Speaker 5>big shock. So I decided to take some time off.
<v Speaker 5>I was living in Florida and I was I'm from Maine,
<v Speaker 5>originally from the Northeast, and I missed everything about the Northeast,
<v Speaker 5>the seasons and all of that.
<v Speaker 3>So I just said, I'm going to go. I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to go to Maine.
<v Speaker 5>I bought an old house, a Victorian house that was
<v Speaker 5>like one hundred and fifty years old, and I decorated
<v Speaker 5>all the rooms and just took some time by the
<v Speaker 5>ocean and just healed and decided what I wanted to do.
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I still stayed active on social media,
<v Speaker 5>but I wasn't shooting at all. So just a quick
<v Speaker 5>thank you to all the loyal subscribers and fans for
<v Speaker 5>supporting me through all that. They stuck with me just
<v Speaker 5>doing Twitter posts. That was really all I was doing.
<v Speaker 5>And then I met a fan about seven years in
<v Speaker 5>and we started chatting, and then fast forward, we end
<v Speaker 5>up together. He was in New York, I was in Maine.
<v Speaker 5>He's originally from Turkey. His name is John, and he's
<v Speaker 5>a fan. He said, I've been a fan of years
<v Speaker 5>for a long time when I was living in Turkey,
<v Speaker 5>and here I am at your house in Maine. I
<v Speaker 5>can't believe this, you know. And we just hit it
<v Speaker 5>off and we've been together six years now.
<v Speaker 4>Wow. So where did you meet him? Like on one
<v Speaker 4>of your platforms?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just I was doing some kind of a post.
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember what it was, but it was, you know,
<v Speaker 5>reply to this and get a free signed photograph or something.
<v Speaker 5>And I was scrolling through the people that had replied
<v Speaker 5>and I saw his little picture and I stopped on
<v Speaker 5>it because I thought he It just caught my eye
<v Speaker 5>and I looked at him and I said, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 5>he's like really what a good looking guy. So I
<v Speaker 5>just said, oh, I'll just say hi, why not see
<v Speaker 5>where he's from?
<v Speaker 3>Curious?
<v Speaker 5>And then we just started chatting and he's like, I'm
<v Speaker 5>in New York, but I'm from Turkey, but I've been
<v Speaker 5>here for so many years and you know whatever, and
<v Speaker 5>it just worked out.
<v Speaker 1>So how was it like meeting him? Because I mean,
<v Speaker 1>right now, you're describing like the ultimate fantasy for a
<v Speaker 1>lot of men, right, Like a lot of men I
<v Speaker 1>think hope that there's a possibility that they could meet
<v Speaker 1>their favorite porn star and you know that she would
<v Speaker 1>actually date them and potentially fall in love with them,
<v Speaker 1>and they think, you know, and this is not common,
<v Speaker 1>This has not happen very often, So don't get too exciting.
<v Speaker 4>But obviously it does.
<v Speaker 1>So like, take me through how that conversation evolved, Like
<v Speaker 1>how was he different from everybody else where?
<v Speaker 4>You felt like even like safe with him? You know
<v Speaker 4>what you mean?
<v Speaker 3>Yep?
<v Speaker 5>Well, in that seven years, I took a few years
<v Speaker 5>off from dating and everything.
<v Speaker 3>I really wasn't in that mood at all.
<v Speaker 5>And when I did start to feel okay, let me
<v Speaker 5>just see what get back out there, I went on
<v Speaker 5>the dating apps, and you know, I'm in the adult industry,
<v Speaker 5>and it's like, I am not gonna lie about who
<v Speaker 5>I am. But I also don't feel safe telling men
<v Speaker 5>that I'm meeting who I am right away first date.
<v Speaker 5>You know, Unfortunately you can't just say hi, I'm Rachel
<v Speaker 5>and I'm in the adult industry. You know, I wish
<v Speaker 5>you could, but you know, who are you talking to?
<v Speaker 5>What are their reactions? Going to be and are you safe?
<v Speaker 5>So I dated, not even dated. I met with people,
<v Speaker 5>had a coffee and just said oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 5>all the way down. So when we started chatting, I
<v Speaker 5>was already done. You know, I didn't want anyone. I
<v Speaker 5>wasn't looking for a relationship. But he talked to me.
<v Speaker 5>He wasn't like like, you know, he treated me like
<v Speaker 5>a person that I wasn't just a one dimensional character.
<v Speaker 5>He asked me questions about other interests besides just my work.
<v Speaker 5>And then that two weeks of chatting, we decided to meet.
<v Speaker 5>So he came to Maine from New York and we
<v Speaker 5>hung out and and he was just he just made
<v Speaker 5>me feel normal, like he wasn't just talking about work,
<v Speaker 5>and you know, because otherwise I'm just a fantasy character,
<v Speaker 5>fulfilling his little fantasy.
<v Speaker 3>And what am I going to get out of this?
<v Speaker 5>So I was very clear with him that that's not
<v Speaker 5>what I'm looking to do, and you know, and it
<v Speaker 5>just yeah, he was just a real person and he
<v Speaker 5>was not impressed he did. He didn't act what's the word,
<v Speaker 5>like you know, starstruck or anything like that. So that
<v Speaker 5>was that was nice. And no judgment. There was no
<v Speaker 5>judgment at all coming from him, which felt good after
<v Speaker 5>dealing with men that were slut shaming other women that
<v Speaker 5>they had dated telling me about their experiences, and I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 5>he's just slut shamed three women and I haven't even
<v Speaker 5>finished my coffee. Yeah, I'm so out of here, you know,
<v Speaker 5>it's it's really bad. And this John just was not
<v Speaker 5>like that. And I could just you know, you can
<v Speaker 5>see right away people's character.
<v Speaker 4>So other.
<v Speaker 1>Performers who I've spoken to who have dated fans or
<v Speaker 1>even just like civilians as we call them, we call
<v Speaker 1>people who aren't in to build industry civilians, you know,
<v Speaker 1>who are at first excited about dating a point star.
<v Speaker 4>Right, it feels exciting.
<v Speaker 1>Everyone desires this person, and then as time goes on,
<v Speaker 1>the jealousy sets in, and then you know, and then
<v Speaker 1>they want to own them, and then there's like all
<v Speaker 1>these other problems that arise. I'm going to assume that
<v Speaker 1>none of those things happened for you.
<v Speaker 5>So Frank was not like that, and I was really
<v Speaker 5>happy about that. He was like, Yes, bring in other men,
<v Speaker 5>let's work with other men. I can't always be in
<v Speaker 5>front of the camera, behind the camera editing and you know,
<v Speaker 5>doing all that administrative work and being the talent in
<v Speaker 5>front of the camera. So I never had that with him,
<v Speaker 5>And then meeting John, I was very closed off.
<v Speaker 3>I had the walls up.
<v Speaker 5>I was very suspicious, and I sort of I said
<v Speaker 5>to myself, you know, well, we'll ride this as long
<v Speaker 5>as we can see where this goes. But he was
<v Speaker 5>such a good guy that and there was no jealousy
<v Speaker 5>there at all. He's very open minded sexually. He believes
<v Speaker 5>that if you have trust and transparency and communication in
<v Speaker 5>a relationship, that there's really nothing that you couldn't do
<v Speaker 5>if you so choose, and if each individual.
<v Speaker 3>Chooses, meaning like any kind.
<v Speaker 5>Of relation dynamic, you know, he's open to open or
<v Speaker 5>polly or you know, all of that.
<v Speaker 3>He's just he's just open to all of that.
<v Speaker 5>So there's just you know, other than me lying, cheating
<v Speaker 5>and being completely dishonest, that would be about the only
<v Speaker 5>thing that would.
<v Speaker 3>Make him upset.
<v Speaker 1>So you've now had two relationships with men who have
<v Speaker 1>not only accepted what you do for a living, but
<v Speaker 1>have worked alongside you. What are the two or what
<v Speaker 1>characteristic do you think that Frank and John have in
<v Speaker 1>common that makes that like kind of collaboration possible, or like,
<v Speaker 1>what was there one thing in your relationship that you
<v Speaker 1>think makes you know that kind of relationship work.
<v Speaker 5>I guess it would be trust. You know that they
<v Speaker 5>trust me, and I trust them. They know they both
<v Speaker 5>He knew and John knows that when I go to work,
<v Speaker 5>if they're not with me, that I'm not having an affair.
<v Speaker 5>I'm not lying and cheating. So you know, there's that trust.
<v Speaker 5>Trust is there, and when that's there and you really
<v Speaker 5>have that, it's really you can do anything. It's very
<v Speaker 5>liberating to have that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I feel like that trust is probably rooted
<v Speaker 1>in like a real sense of self confidence.
<v Speaker 4>Right, I'm going to assume that both men are pretty confident.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, definitely, Yeah, to have that, Yes, to let let
<v Speaker 5>all of these things to be able to happen around
<v Speaker 5>them without them, Yeah, they don't have those issues or
<v Speaker 5>that baggage.
<v Speaker 1>So what does it make you we decided to come
<v Speaker 1>back into the industry, and how did you come back
<v Speaker 1>into the industry.
<v Speaker 5>When I met up with John, it was right around
<v Speaker 5>twenty nineteen, so COVID hit and we decided to stay
<v Speaker 5>in my house in Maine. He had an apartment in
<v Speaker 5>New York, but it was really small, so we decided
<v Speaker 5>to take my big, beautiful home and stay in Maine,
<v Speaker 5>hunker down there. And that's when I started. We started
<v Speaker 5>to get on OnlyFans and I started shooting with him.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm like I was then.
<v Speaker 5>I was like, let's make some content, let's do this,
<v Speaker 5>because he was down He's like, yeah, let's do it. So,
<v Speaker 5>you know, it was with our phones and it was
<v Speaker 5>like trying to get them up on little tripods and
<v Speaker 5>trying to look at the camera make sure we're lined up. So,
<v Speaker 5>you know, not the best filming, but the best we
<v Speaker 5>could do. And we just started to make content and
<v Speaker 5>throw it up on OnlyFans and it started to grow
<v Speaker 5>and do really well, and the fans thank you again
<v Speaker 5>so much. Fans they started to like, oh, you're back, Yay,
<v Speaker 5>you're back.
<v Speaker 3>Rachel's back.
<v Speaker 5>So it just really motivated me and inspired me to
<v Speaker 5>just let's just do this.
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, have you seen any significant changes in the
<v Speaker 1>adult industry since you've come back? I guess besides like
<v Speaker 1>the restrictions because of.
<v Speaker 5>The saturation all these platforms, AI like, it's insane. It's
<v Speaker 5>really changed a lot and pretty quickly. I see it's
<v Speaker 5>going to keep going that way, especially with AI. I
<v Speaker 5>just can't even imagine what the possibilities are. You know,
<v Speaker 5>it's pretty endless.
<v Speaker 4>So does it make you nervous or does it make
<v Speaker 4>you excited?
<v Speaker 5>A little of both, excited but nervous at the same time.
<v Speaker 5>I have a lawyer and we were chatting about I
<v Speaker 5>sent him a few applications for different AI companies that
<v Speaker 5>some people are joining and having the character of their character,
<v Speaker 5>and he read over everything, the fine print, you know,
<v Speaker 5>and everything, and it's just this, there's there's a little
<v Speaker 5>question there about who actually owns your I guess avatar
<v Speaker 5>character whatever you want to call it.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, we'll delete it.
<v Speaker 5>Wants you if you decide you want to get out
<v Speaker 5>or you die, you know, you know, I want the
<v Speaker 5>account deleted or shut down or whatever. They agree to that,
<v Speaker 5>but they there's no there's no specific language that says
<v Speaker 5>where that that character is like theirs, like they own
<v Speaker 5>the data. They own that so they might be able
<v Speaker 5>to use it later on, so they could use my
<v Speaker 5>likeness to advertise or market or do whatever. So in
<v Speaker 5>that aspect, I'm a little nervous about the whole about
<v Speaker 5>things that are coming into fruition. I just want the
<v Speaker 5>contracts to be crystal clear as to who has the rights,
<v Speaker 5>who who's intellectual property. These things need to be really clear, yea.
<v Speaker 5>You know, as a model or a performer, you don't
<v Speaker 5>want to just sign your rights a way. And you
<v Speaker 5>hear about this in the music industry and other contracts
<v Speaker 5>people entertainers have gotten stuck with.
<v Speaker 3>They're like, oh, I just didn't.
<v Speaker 5>Know and we signed it, and now they own it
<v Speaker 5>and I'm out and there's nothing I can do.
<v Speaker 1>Mean so often, like you see celebrities like have to
<v Speaker 1>or do sign away their likeness and their rights because
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just rewatched one of the Star Wars.
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember which one, I'm sorry Sun Wars fans,
<v Speaker 1>but the one where they like took Carrie Fisher and
<v Speaker 1>they had to basically AI her because she died while
<v Speaker 1>they were filming it.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>And they were able to do that, you know, because
<v Speaker 1>they had the rights.
<v Speaker 3>To that character, to that character. Yeah, yep.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It is tricky.
<v Speaker 3>So that's all I would say. I'm kind of concerned about.
<v Speaker 5>It's just legalities, but everything else I'm excited about because
<v Speaker 5>I'm excited to think too that you know, you can
<v Speaker 5>only work so hard producing and performing and being in
<v Speaker 5>front of a camera for so long, and eventually you
<v Speaker 5>might want to step back and maybe do some other things,
<v Speaker 5>directing or just producing or but it would also be
<v Speaker 5>nice to have passive income with a Rachel Steele character.
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, you know, I welcome everything, but I'm also cautious.
<v Speaker 4>How do you.
<v Speaker 1>Balance your personal life in your career, especially when you
<v Speaker 1>work with your partner.
<v Speaker 5>We stop at five o'clock and that's it. We have
<v Speaker 5>in home offices. We shut those doors, We hit the
<v Speaker 5>grab ourselves a cocktail and sit on the front porch
<v Speaker 5>and just enjoy the sunset and chat about our day.
<v Speaker 5>We go on vacations, we take time off. That's just
<v Speaker 5>we're out of here. We go to Europe.
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like if I shot content with my husband,
<v Speaker 1>if like we shot boygirl content, which I don't, so
<v Speaker 1>don't get excited, I would have a very hard time
<v Speaker 1>not shooting while we were traveling because it'd be like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>look at this hotel, oh so beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>Like we're in Paris, we have this Eiffel Tower in
<v Speaker 4>the back.
<v Speaker 1>We got to film something like that would be so
<v Speaker 1>hard for me not to do. Do you do you
<v Speaker 1>struggle with that or are you guys pretty good at
<v Speaker 1>just being like, no phones, this is our time off.
<v Speaker 5>Well, we did do that in the first few years.
<v Speaker 5>We traveled all over the place and we did shoot
<v Speaker 5>in these beautiful places we just did.
<v Speaker 3>We were like, this is too nice.
<v Speaker 5>We can't not Yeah, and we're both excited about it
<v Speaker 5>because it's like, this is Austria, let's do it.
<v Speaker 3>Here, you know. But we're not shooting together anymore.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 5>So he is so busy. I told him when I
<v Speaker 5>met him, I will keep you busy. And now he's
<v Speaker 5>working eight hours a day, more than eight hours, usually
<v Speaker 5>seven days a week. We're managing my content so he's
<v Speaker 5>my content manager and social media person. So he does
<v Speaker 5>all of this administrative work and it's a lot, and
<v Speaker 5>he's booked solid doing it. He's actually had to delegate
<v Speaker 5>off some of it because it's just too much. So
<v Speaker 5>we decided no more of that, and I'm working now
<v Speaker 5>more in mainstream limelight. So the last two years or so,
<v Speaker 5>I've you know, came to LA and decided to start
<v Speaker 5>working with Pro Male Talent and Pro Female Talent, two
<v Speaker 5>people that are in the mainstream, and I've been doing
<v Speaker 5>that here in Los Angeles in Vegas two. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 5>we're no longer working together as a couple, but we
<v Speaker 5>have a lot of videos from when we were.
<v Speaker 1>So you're able to go to that beautiful hotel room
<v Speaker 1>in Paris and just enjoy it exactly. Yes, So looking back,
<v Speaker 1>what do you feel the most proud of in your
<v Speaker 1>career and in your personal life if they are maybe
<v Speaker 1>two separate things.
<v Speaker 5>I guess that the fact that I'm an entrepreneur and
<v Speaker 5>self made, self taught, no education, high school graduate, barely
<v Speaker 5>coming from domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and I
<v Speaker 5>just kept rising up and said no, no. I only
<v Speaker 5>allowed certain sort of negative patterns to last for so
<v Speaker 5>long before I would just like literally look and go,
<v Speaker 5>this is not good. Thank God, because some people, when
<v Speaker 5>you're in it, you don't see it kind of thing.
<v Speaker 3>But I was in abusive relationships.
<v Speaker 5>Very violent, and I was like it only happened like
<v Speaker 5>one one, you know, incident would happen with this individual,
<v Speaker 5>and I was out of there like so fast, not
<v Speaker 5>thinking like where am.
<v Speaker 3>I going to go, What am I going to do?
<v Speaker 3>How am I going to do it?
<v Speaker 1>What?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 5>And those are all very valid questions, but no, just
<v Speaker 5>got the hell out of there and figured it all
<v Speaker 5>out later, and then just being able to like start
<v Speaker 5>off in the salon industry doing nails and then ended
<v Speaker 5>up buying that hair salon that I worked at, and
<v Speaker 5>then ended up doubling that salon into a huge spa,
<v Speaker 5>and then going from that business fourteen years into the
<v Speaker 5>adult industry and just seeing, wow, this is insane, look
<v Speaker 5>at the opportunity here, let me try this, and then
<v Speaker 5>shooting up to the top, and then making it work
<v Speaker 5>for the last twenty years and just you know, having
<v Speaker 5>a production company and doing it all, you know, by
<v Speaker 5>myself and with a lot of help from to two
<v Speaker 5>really good partners and some other people too.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's probably the most. Yeah, that feels the best.
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, thank you so much for coming in.
<v Speaker 1>I do have a bunch of questions for you from
<v Speaker 1>my Patreon members, all right, which we will do in
<v Speaker 1>a separate segment, But for now, can you tell everybody where.
<v Speaker 4>They can find you online?
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I can be found at my website Rachel dash
<v Speaker 5>Steel dot com, Instagram is Rachel underscore Steel XO x SOH,
<v Speaker 5>and Twitter is at Redmilf Rachel and if you don't
<v Speaker 5>remember all of that, just google my name Rachel Steele
<v Speaker 5>and you will.
<v Speaker 4>Find me and steal with an E on the end
<v Speaker 4>of it.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, s T E E L E Yes awesome.
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