Club 520 - Antoine Walker’s CRAZY Michael Jordan story, meeting Jeff Teague, winning NBA title w/ Wade's Heat

The volume. All right, man, we're back of the episode 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.640 of Club five twenty podcasts. You're still in the shot 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:11.200 with it's It's only right we bought it one of 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:12.200 the best from Chicago. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.440 We're gonna introduce my man's laugh. I'm your host. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.040 My name is DJ Wells. Same game with me. To 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.880 my far left, I got my dog. BI should be 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.920 hearing out the pear LEAs how you was nasty. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.080 And nasty still in the shot. But let's get to. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.239 Its still in the shot for show man, listen to 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.200 I know your feast was always correct. You know a 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.880 lot about shoes, my man, his signature over here, the 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.080 black forces with the white laces in Chicago. 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.279 What does that shoot mean? 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:37.559 Man, Well, it's just about Jordan's in Chicago. Man. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.239 It's force is cool, but it's Chicago's about Jordan's. Man 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.680 got the MJ eighty four. Man, So everybody's been about Jordan's. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.600 I can only imagine growing up in Chicago and the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.280 peak and MJ, Like, how was that to get the 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.280 New Georgians when they first dropped wile MJ is still 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:53.120 killing up the street. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.480 Well, I couldn't get him, man, I was from the hood. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.840 Poor I ain't get him got in the game. But yeah, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.000 but no, it's a thing here. I mean, obviously we 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.360 all grew up Bulls fans, and so everybody hears about joints. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.000 That's like the hottest ticket. I think still to today 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:09.920 in Chicago for show. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.760 They're still in the feast all around the world for show. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.080 To my right, my dog, young Nacho, young tig. How 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.160 you what cooling? 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.399 Man, I've been waiting for this pot for a long time. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.080 We got an og and the bill showed me a 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:21.800 lot of love when I first got to Atlanta, so 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.560 I appreciate him. So him to step on the pod 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.560 with us and have a good time talk hoops, talk life. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.000 I'm excited about this for show. Man. Listen, Man, we're 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.400 excited this episode. Man. He always showed love from the 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.800 very beginning, so we're very happy to do this. Man. Listen. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.080 Champion in college and the NBA twelve year vet. Man, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.560 we got Chicago's very own man. Hey, Walker, appreciate you 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:40.440 putting on this big dog. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:40.800 Man. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.360 Appreciate having me Man, long time coming, Man, Really big 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.560 fan of what you guys are establishing this space. Man, 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.320 I know it's a big space for everybody in it, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:49.920 but you guys are unique. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.280 Man. I enjoyed watching it for sure. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.640 Show listen, we talk about Chicago's finest man. Talk about 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.000 high school Mark Corme. We sawed off the Domino mcdad man. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:58.920 A lot of people don't know that. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.000 Yeah, uh so, me and Donovan went the high school 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.560 together for four years. But the funny thing about it 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.600 Donovan was he was a two sport player, but great quarterback. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.280 We all know his quarterback history and how good he was, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.040 but he was a really, really good basketball player and 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.880 he got recruited to sports. A lot of people don't 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.440 know he played fuss Syracuse. He didn't get any minutes, 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.519 but even when won the national championship, he was on 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:23.760 the team. He was on the ross, he was on 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.000 the bench. So that's what he got recruited as he's 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.119 one of the best athletes I've ever seen. I don't 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.840 know if he could have been pro that might be 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.200 in a stretch, but definitely could have played overseas and 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:35.480 made money playing basketball. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.840 You know, it's crazy. Shout out to journeys. Back in 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.079 the days, journeys used to have random throwbacks. But I 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.679 had a high school that Malcalma joined the dollar men that. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.360 I was like, there's another Dov. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.160 I got the high schol throw back. He must have 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:48.720 been nice. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.600 I had high school. It was a football school, so 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:51.240 you know what I'm saying. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.880 So, you know, obviously the football program is incredible, but 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.080 he helped me put the basketball team kind of probably 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:58.519 on the map. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.519 He was a big part of that. And he was 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:01.640 a real two spot player. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:02.520 That's great. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.080 So do you feel like pro football players can hoop 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.880 in the NBA? I kind of opened up the bait 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:11.440 a little bit. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:12.720 Just no, I don't. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 I don't think that. I don't think that I have 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.520 a I have a high level of respect for guys 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.200 that make it to the NBA. Right, I love football, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.440 I love baseball, Baseball my first love. I don't think 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:25.520 I could play in the major leagues. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:26.360 You know what I mean. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.320 I don't think. I don't think football players playing in 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.880 the league. It's different. Okay, yeah, it's the reason why, 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.320 you know what I mean. It's only you know, the 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.720 rosters obviously extended, but at one point he was only 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.040 twelve pros man rosters of twelve, I think it that 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.080 the fifteen now with the you know, obviously with the 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:43.839 G League, I mean the D League and G League 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:44.440 and all that shit. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.760 It extended, But no, I don't think so. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 Before we against your career, may let's your script for show. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.000 You gotta talk about the first time Y linked up man, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:52.760 the first. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:53.720 Time I'm at to one man. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:54.120 We was. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.000 I was a young pupp in Atlanta, and you know, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.560 I just had turned twenty one, got drafted. I wanted 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.840 to go test my waters, test my luck in Atlanta. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.160 So I go to the Intments, the most famous club 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.119 in Atlanta called Magic City. I walk in there, young, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.800 don't know what to do, don't know nobody in there. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:12.640 Smooth send me. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.160 I go in there. I'm looking around. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.520 Somebody come take me, you know, grab my hand, tell 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.720 me where to go, where I need to sit in 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.240 and everything. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.120 He didn't know me from a can of paint. And 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:24.800 he seen me from a distant I think somebody might 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.200 have told him something like, oh he young fell he 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.440 just got drafted. He called me over there. I come 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.320 over there. He opened a briefcase, threw me some ones. Man. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.080 I end up having a time that night, and I 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.240 never forgot that. I'm like, damn, And I was just like, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.800 is that how you're supposed to do it Like, am 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.240 I doing this all wrong? But I just remember having 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.400 that time there and it was like a welcome to Atlanta. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:47.640 You know. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.520 You hear all the music videos and all this stuff 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.440 about Magic City and then going in there and then 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.880 see you and I knew you from the cover alive, 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.640 you know what I mean. I'm like that walker And 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.080 then for you to even embrace me, you ain't even 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:00.760 know me. I was just a young dude and to 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.760 do that it meant a lot. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.520 Yeah, but that was my thing. Man. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.560 I was really one of those dudes that, like I 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.080 was a I consider myself a basketball sovnt. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:09.240 Man. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.760 I followed the game. I'm a student of the game, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.720 but I'm a fan of the game, so I watch everybody. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.040 You know, I'm a part of my family is a 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.080 part of the Au circuit, you know, the mac Irvin fire. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.440 So they raised mister Irvan raised me. God rest Is 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.520 Soul raised me. So I just followed basketball. It's like 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.480 it's been in my DNA for so long. So I 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.000 know all the players. I watch, college, high school. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:30.560 You know, pro. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.000 This is part of my situation when I do every 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.400 single day. So when I seen it, I always try 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.680 to make sure you know, the young guys can get 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.560 take care of. I came in the league at nineteen man, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.839 so I played with a bunch of Vets, Rick Fox, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:47.200 Dee Brown, Dana Barrows, purvisse Ellison paid So I was 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.080 a young gall on the team. So those guys kind 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.120 of like and I was nineteen turning twenty, so I 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.719 really couldn't do the club. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.000 But they had to really kind of game. Ain't their 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:55.800 way in to get me in. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.640 So it was like one of those things when I 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.560 see those guys take me up, take me up under 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.640 their arms, showed me how to do it. I always said, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.320 when I become a VET, I'm gonna do the same thing. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:12.359 Freaky ty. But you know what Chicago people do. Understand Chicago, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.960 we don't have strip clubs, you know, so we don't 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:15.840 get that experience. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.240 So I think that's what it was for me. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.160 When I got to Atlanta, I got to really experience 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.560 the strip club like I had heard about Magic City, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:23.520 heard about it. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.040 Now I'm actually can be able to go to it 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.159 whenever I want to. Yeah, I take. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.200 Advantage of that show and that time period. Yeah, that 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.279 was actually the crazy part. They had just got back out, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.520 so I missed the first part, so I caught that 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.839 second wave when they got back out right around that time, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.240 like they had went in and they got back out, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.800 so number yus was doing it big. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.480 I called imagined it was the first city you went 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:48.159 to a strip club? 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:48.360 Then? 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:49.120 Was it Atlanta? 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:56.839 I went to Atlanta? Dallas too, Dallasallas? Dallas was Dallas 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:57.360 one bad. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.120 That's probably my two favorite cities to have them, Okay, 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.520 and then you know every every other city was. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.520 Kind of justself so but when you want to turn up, 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:07.400 it was probably. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.480 Yeah for sure. Man, listen, we gotta get to it. Man. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.000 What made you commit to Kentucky? Man? 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.480 Jamal Mashburn? 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:18.640 Straight up? 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.840 I just kind of loved the way he played. He 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.440 kind of mirror my game, you guys. So when I 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.760 came out, I was kind of, you know, an au circuit. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.120 I got to play the point one two three. But 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.000 in high school, you know, obviously I was like a 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.360 four man, so it was a little different. So I 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.360 just got an opportunity of Coach Patino came in my 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.480 crib and he was showing. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.600 Me the mass burning highlights. He was like, I'm gonna 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.920 let you do what he do. I was you know 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:44.200 what I mean. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.360 I could shoot the three. I could be able to 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.800 put the ball on the floor handle it. So I 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.680 was like, man, this is this is the perfect spot 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.400 for me. But it really was because of mass burning 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.800 Man because the style of play. I wore twenty four. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.600 He gave me his number, and I was just like 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.560 a huge I was a huge fan of his game. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.640 I thought that's the kind of game I could be 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.840 like when I came into college. So that's what really 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.280 made me pick there. And then obviously the atmosphere and everything. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.920 See I went there, they were only one year fresh 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.480 off probation. I don't know if you guys are familiar 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.920 when they went on probation, so coach he was just 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.160 building it back up to be in the powerhouse. So 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.920 that that's what made it special for me though. That 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.520 was the reason why I picked it though, I mean 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.080 because of the style of playing. Massburn went there. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.160 For shore Man. Uncle rick y'all had a squad to 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.360 a d on that team. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.040 Too, Yeah, da transfer we had nin pros. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:33.200 Yeah that's great. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.280 So yeah, on before you tell me all the pros shit, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.240 you think you're the best Kentucky team. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.880 I think we're the best team ever in collage basketball 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:42.680 walk shit. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:44.160 But I'm not. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.920 I'm not saying it to be you know, being being biased. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.280 I'm just I'm one. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.800 I would say the Marching of victory, we won, but 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.559 like twenty four to twenty five a night, So when 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.240 you look at our numbers, you'd be like, oh, he 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.880 was cool. But I ain't played the last seven eight 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.120 minutes of games, you know what I'm saying. So a 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.280 lot of people don't even understand that. That's so our 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.800 numbers look a little crazy. I left the team in 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.000 minutes at like twenty seven twenty eight minutes a night. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.160 You know what I'm saying. Most team, most guys are 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.480 playing thirty five thirty six, So our numbers could be 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.719 totally different if we got a chance to play. But 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.440 most games, but just man, we had nine pros when 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.520 I practice, to be honest, was harder than our games. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:20.440 I'm not gonna even frun. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.080 What's the pros on your team? 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:31.160 Myself, Tony Dill, WALTI McCarty, Derek Anderson, Jeff Shepherd, Mark 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.199 Pope read pops right, Uh huh? Jeff Shepherd played in Atlanta. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.719 Mark Pope the head coach. You know, he played four 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.760 or five years with Indiana and Denver, and I feel 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.200 like I'm missing one more to make the knife one. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.800 They'll probably pop up to me here shortly. But yeah, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.280 we were strong man. Y'all forgot about Scott Pageant, I know. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:10:00.360 But so y'all think you better than a book. They 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.640 had the two twins, Twins Tylers. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.760 Yeah, they were. They were good. I wouldn't. They had 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.440 a squad and they did their thing. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:10.599 I was, I was. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:12.559 I want to watch a lot of those games. I 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.240 was very supportive for them. And then they have a 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.679 book as your six man speaks value, so I'll see 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:21.720 where you at with it. But no, well we've been people. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.560 They should the cold they superstar, especially that time period. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.040 The competition around that time was crazy too. Yeah, but 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.840 you got to think about we something different. We think 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.120 when you think about us, you think about n LV 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.839 at ninety teen. Yeah, the Jordan team, you know what 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:38.080 I mean. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.319 Don't you don't really put that Kentucky team in that 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.960 tam because I ain't win put them in the. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.559 Same breakfast as when you talked about that. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:46.079 So I was. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.520 It's an argument. I mean, I love that you a 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.199 team in the nineties. I mean that nineteen ninety two. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.079 You know what I'm saying. So it's hard, you know 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.640 what I mean that Jordan. I didn't get a chance 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.760 to watch a lot of that. You know, Michael, and 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.640 they always put Michael them in that conversation m j 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.120 M team. But I like us in the ninety team. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:01.600 And then. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.000 Let's give respect what repect, dude, That Michigan team was tough. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:06.600 For be freshman. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.280 To be freshman, you gotta like, we gotta get them 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:10.760 that respect. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.559 But y'all y'all better than I give you. Yeah, y'all 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.720 blew everybody up. We don't even bring up move Kentucky 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.720 teaming them get beat that is too loud. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.280 But they raised my twelve, my twelve, yeah twelve team 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:22.600 and stuff. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.360 That was good. Yeah, but it's quiet. They had to 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.000 They was took and that was big too. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:33.400 Moving those big t Jones Anthony Davis was Yeah, they 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:34.319 had a big team too. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:35.200 They was loaded. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.559 I'll been good again, But like you said, no, yeah, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:39.240 we've been. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:40.440 In the original stretch for. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:43.760 Before. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.040 I'm gonna tell you it's me stretch for probably me 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:49.479 Derek Coleman. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.040 Q. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.520 She she while was a stretch for but you had 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.520 that pity petty though. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:04.160 Yeah, they couldn't ripe. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:12.040 We was built the same because it was a lot 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.280 of It was a lot of people back then. But 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:18.600 I feel like you was just way more skilled than 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.679 everybody just because you had that handle. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:20.959 Yeah. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.880 Yeah, because I feel like you more of a modern 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.719 day player, Like, let me tell you what's funny. So 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.120 it's just really a true story. So AU circuit. I'm 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 on the AU circuit. And just back when they changed it, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.079 when you have to play with your state. You remember 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.839 used to go to camp. So my sophomore year, I 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.920 went to the Nike All American Camp. They put you 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.800 on different teams, you know what I mean. But so 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.120 the next year, the n C double A changed the rule. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.040 You have to play with your your actual state and city. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.920 So our point guard that we took, mister Irving, I 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.000 don't forget this. The point guard that we took got 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.240 hurt first day and mister Irving was like, hre you 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.439 the point I'm like what, I ain't never played point 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.640 guard in my life. He was like, you're the point man. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.319 About a fifth day, bro, I'm leaving the camp and 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.240 assists and scoring and this we loaded like Stephan there 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.360 Stephan was right behind me. Felipe Lopez draw Ward. I mean, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.360 it's it's it's it's campus crazy, it's sunny camp. And 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.559 that's what took me over the top. Like I went 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.800 from like top fifty to I left that top five 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.120 in the country and it was it was history after that. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.800 But it was because one of the point guards got hurt. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.160 He just threw me the balls like you know, you 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.600 the point, and so I got to play point guard. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:25.920 So it was it was over after that. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.160 You always dribbling. 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.040 I just wanted, yeah, dribble, that was all my thing. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.559 And then when I went to camp with Stepan and 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.920 all them, and they were showing me all the tricks 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.880 and you know what I mean, like we'd be working 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:37.840 on the dribbling moves. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.559 So I just I started taking a liking to it. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.080 So I just became a big part of my game. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:42.240 That's crazy. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.079 Yeah, that's a true story right there. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.079 But it just threw me the ball, like you know, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.920 you the point at All American Camp, that's like, and 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.760 I just perhams. I left the camp for like the 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:55.400 first five day. I ran out of gas though, like yeah, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.439 but it was cold. It gave me opportunity to put 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.400 me on a bigger stage. My recruiting went through the roof. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.880 Man I left there. I mean, I was high five 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:04.440 in the country. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:04.839 It was over. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.320 What's it like playing for Rick Potino? So I got 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.720 a story for you. My dad, Rick patino first coaching 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.240 job was in Boston University. My dad was on that team. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.640 He was the point guard for bu Rick Patino's first job. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.880 My dad said he was crazy. He said they had 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.280 him holding bricks, doing defensive slides, all type of crazy stuff. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.480 Y'all was good. Was he crazy with ye? Yeah, he was. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:27.720 He was. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.400 He was. He was crazy, but he was a good 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.640 crazy if that If that makes sense, you know, he 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.520 gonna push you to the match. You gotta work hard. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.200 My first year was was really tough for me. I'm 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.160 gonna be honest. I wanted to transfer Christmas now you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.840 get the little Christmas bread. I wanted to leave after that. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.640 But back then, when I came out, you had to 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.600 sit out, so I would have to literally sit out 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.920 the whole next year. So I was like, man, I can't. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.520 I ain't gonna sit out the whole year. But he's 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:55.400 gonna make you work hard. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:55.600 Man. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:56.520 But one thing about him. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:57.880 He gonna get the best out of You're gonna be 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.840 in the best shape of your life, and he's gonna 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.240 amaze your talent if you guys even know. Like so 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.680 when obviously coached me in college, but when he came 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.560 to the pros, I mean, I made I made the 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.520 All Star team the first year because he knew. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.200 He moved me from the three. I went to pros. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.040 I played my whole rookie year at small forward my 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.320 whole year, so which was cool. But you know that's guarden, Scottie. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.280 You know that's guarding like elite three men in the league. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:23.800 You know what I mean. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.200 So he moved me to four. He was like, you 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.520 moved to the fourth. He was like, you finna have 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.080 an advantage on the offensive end. You're gonna have to 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.240 woke up a little bit. So I went from like 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.000 two twenty five to two forty. Like he was like, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.760 you're gonna guard for us, but we're gonna move you 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.880 to the four. You're gonna have your most success. And 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.200 that was the best thing for him, and made the 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.640 All Star team in ninety eight. Off that that's crazy. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:44.320 That was good for you. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.880 You can always rebound, so that was that was easy, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.720 get down there and bang. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.600 But I can see it was ability now because I 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.040 can dribble, so I can put me in the one 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:51.760 floor at the role. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.600 That's that stretch started spooky going out here on the 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.480 stree point line and coach Pete for that. Because I 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.400 went to the league as a small four, I was 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.200 guarding three and even we won a championship in Miami, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.240 I played all three because you remember you D was there. Yeah, 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.760 I gotta remember you D wasting power forward and they 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.720 had just went to the Eastern Conference finals when I 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.240 signed there. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.280 So Ralphs was like, yo, I played three. He loved you, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:20.040 d y'all we know that. You know he love you. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.480 So he was like tooth Dings. He was like, yo, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.960 you got a lot of playing three. And he was like, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.760 you got to come off the bench for a little bit. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.000 He's like, So they figured it out because I played 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.520 for Stand first. A lot of people know that step 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.640 down here. So I was coming off the bench, came down. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.320 He was like, yeah it was ten and ten. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.880 Shaq was hurt. He was like, man, come on down, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.520 I'm coming down fire Stand. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.920 That's crazy, Yeah, that's crazy. What's going on with Jimmy 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:56.200 like for a long time, for a long time, bro 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:56.840 with Jimmy. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:58.160 Jimmy messed up. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.360 He went to the met don't go to the media 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.679 now with Pat Rods now when he got the microphone and. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.000 He got the pinion nah. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.440 And it's funny because they was talking about it like 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.479 it was an anonymous quote unquote. They was just like, hey, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:11.920 one thing you don't do is don't fuck with Pat 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.000 Roder because he got none to lose. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.800 And everybody like, what the fuck that means? We came 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.359 out seven games suspended. He was like, god damn, what 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:19.600 was that adjustment? Though? 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.000 From college to the NBA though at Boston because you 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.159 had what you ever was like seventeen or some of 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.800 your rook here, yeah eighteen someone like seventeen. It was 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.920 hard for me because we were terrible. Man I won. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:33.760 I don't know if you guys know, Man, I'm won 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:34.600 fifteen games. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.080 I had the worst record. But the best thing for me, Yeah, 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.240 but for me is I played for Email car Okay, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.000 so Email was the GM and the head coach of 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.080 the team, and basically, you know, after like thirty games, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.119 he was like, you see, we want doing that. He 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.200 was like, it's your show, and he just let me play. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.200 So I got a chance to play through one mistakes 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.919 and get some real minutes. I mean, sometimes you come 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.040 and youn't getting the opportunity to do that. So he 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.840 let me play through my mistakes and that's why I 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.560 was able. I think I have like seventeen now. Was 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.080 they put up some decent numbers. A rookie, that's fire. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.720 I was right behind Ai. You know, y'all know what 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.640 a I was over there. Yeah, yeah, I was cooking work. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.200 But they were losing two though, but A I was 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.760 cooking too. So me and him ray Allen and that 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.600 class too, we're all doing really really good. But yeah, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.159 it was just it was It was hard though, but 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.240 I just kind of like because I was just coming 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.760 from college. Man, well I just lost six games in 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.840 two years. Yeah, I think my first year. I think 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.040 my first year we lost four games. At my freshman 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.240 year four or five, and then we won a championship. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.800 It was thirty six and two. So I hadn't lost 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:43.480 a lot in the last couple of years. So it 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.359 was like trying to stay focused and so they did it. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:47.840 I was, you know, I have the credit, but I 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.040 played for a Hall of Fame staff. A lot of 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.720 people don't know that that was connected with the organization. 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.000 Dennis Johnson now rest of so he was on the 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.480 He was on that staff as well. Casey Jones was 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.240 on the staff as well. Tommy Heinsen obviously was calling 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.440 the game. So it was a lot of the old 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.400 guys read all back was still alive and still coming 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.000 to the games. So I was around a lot of traditions. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.680 Jojo White, I'm thinking about everybody that was just in 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:14.840 the gym all the time. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:15.400 Yeah. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.560 Sorry, it was like so it was cool. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.399 So they was kind of like starting to build it 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.360 around a little bit. What was that old ship moment though? 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.920 In the NBA, Like who did you metch up with? 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.360 It was like, God, damn, this ain't nothing like college man. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.800 Person guard me was Dennis Rodman. He's super strong man, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.520 quick feet. Couldn't really score on him. That was that 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:41.000 was a challenge for me. But guarding, yeah, Tim duncan 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:46.240 Man I the playing power forward, bro, I mean footwork, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:47.760 big dude. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:48.840 Got all the moves. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:49.600 Elite. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.680 You can't. He ain't gonna talk to you. He doing 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.280 a hed and giving you no you know, you ain't 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:54.840 getting you nothing. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.000 Back, you know, kills and then my best matchup would 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.119 be probably Ticket Me and had some moments so like 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.160 especially when I first came in the league because KG 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.600 was in Chicago. Well he's not from Chicago. Yeah, so 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.520 a lot of people in Chicago loved him for the 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.159 one year he came up and played Rounnie Fields. So 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.920 me and KG had some battles. We locked Summer League. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.399 It carried over into the real games. 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And it was my first one too. 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.960 To be at Massive Square Garden and playing my in 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.480 my first game too was special. But it's something I'll 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.879 always remember. Man at that locker room, and you know 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.200 what I'm saying, I couldn't send in the back of 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.560 the bus, you know, imagine on the bus and then like, look, 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.200 you can't send in the back of the bus with 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.280 the guys. It was just the whole experience was was 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.760 was dope to be a part of that and the 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.320 sea might go out like that. I liked it better 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.200 in ninety eight than when he and I was you know, lucky, 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:25.760 I was party. We could talk about. That was part 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:26.040 of both. 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.200 When his last one in Washington was Washington Wizards too. 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:30.120 Yeah, that's crazy. 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.040 We talked we got to have cag on the show. 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.200 He talked about that opening situation with a lot with 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.159 him and Kobe. It was just like that was Kobe's 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:37.840 coming out party and were trying to put him against 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.080 my It's a legendary moment, especially for the alscer game. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.560 We talk about Howl like Lessard is now. 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:43.760 Then moments help make a lot of Hooper's memories for 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:45.040 like good moments for basketball. 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.440 Oh yeah, and then you know what's crazy, man, the 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.280 guys that you know, it was crazy. Prize money was 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.040 not obviously not as big back then, but guys was like, man, 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:55.280 I want this twenty thousand. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.560 You know we're gonna win, We're gonna compete. 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.440 Well, these guys now getting two fifty three hund half 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.479 million dollars to play, it's different now. 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.200 But yeah, so I understand. 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.600 I see what they's struggling that because these guys probably understand, 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.919 but the money was different. You know, it's different now 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.159 you got guys making thirty forty fifty million. They like, 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.040 I ain't looking at that. 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.439 Like we just talked about that, Like you said, two 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.400 hundred and fifty. Now they sneezed at that. Boy, twenty 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:18.520 g's they not even pulling up. 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.280 Yeah, but gods, we played gods playing for that prize money, man, man, 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:23.720 like we was in there, they was getting it on. 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.360 At least that you knew that second you knew either 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.840 knew that third and fourth quarter is gonna be competitive, 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:30.920 even if the first and two wasn't right, but that 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.280 third and fourth was gonna be good for sure. 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.359 I know we talked, we kind of skipped over we 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:35.920 went to your. 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.879 Pro But you was part of the best draft class ever, yes, sir, 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.440 and I just wanted to point that out, like you said, 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.399 you know, you said Bubba Chuck Iris and being the 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.480 first pick and the list goes on. That draft class 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.600 was so loaded, Like did you know when you was 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.800 part of getting drafted? Did you know, like, man, I'm 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:53.800 with a bunch of killers, or you thought, like man, 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.080 I got snubbed that probably should have been a No. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:56.560 One pick? 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.120 Did you now? My draft process was? It was hard. 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.440 I went worked out for nine teams, so I worked 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:02.439 out from two to eleven. 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.040 I didn't work out for the Toronto Toronto I think 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.880 they was picking one, so I didn't work out for them. 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:11.560 But it was hard, like you had to go in 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.359 there and I didn't know to the draft day, the 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.480 Celtics called my agent was like, look, we're trying to 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.040 move up and we're gonna take them. I didn't know 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.520 why I was going. But there was some great workouts 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.399 because back then I don't know how they do it. 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.880 Now you compete it against other guys. So like most 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.280 of my workouts, I went in with all the small forwards. 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:36.000 So it was like Charif Me, John Wallace, Tim in 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:41.840 that class, Dante Jones he was at Misissippi State, John Wise, Me, 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:43.600 Waltim McCarty, and my teammate. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:45.479 So it was like six or seven of us. 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.199 So a lot of times you'll come to those workouts 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.479 and it'll be four y'all in the same workout. 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.520 So and that's what made it different. You were maybe 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:54.040 two teams. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.760 I got to work out by myself, but all the 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.119 rest of them was competitive workouts, like you had three 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.320 four guys and then you go at it. They throwing 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.840 the ball in the middle like one on ones, I 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:05.560 get it on like type of shit like So that 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.520 that's what made it really really special. But I had 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.680 great workouts. I felt good leaving everywhere. I ain't you know, 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.240 I never felt like I didn't have a good workout, 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.040 and what I did that was different. Probably I don't 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.960 know what guys do now. I never left school, so 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.520 I stayed up on the coach Patino, So when I 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.000 put my name in the draft, I stayed working out 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.640 up under him. So I stayed doing the same workout. 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:28.840 You know, most guys put their name in the draft, 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:33.159 they going to get the car they kick up now. No, no, no, 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.960 I stayed locked in like I just stayed right there. 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.240 I didn't move until the day after I got drafted. 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.560 Then I moved out of Lexton, Kentucky. But before then, 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.920 I just stayed locked in. But it was different though. 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.840 You had to play like they made you play one 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.760 on ones and you get it on. So did you 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:48.520 have a mess up with Sharif in the workout? 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:50.080 No, I didn't play against Sariff. 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.119 I was a surprised Sharif because I ain't really know 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:54.760 much about them, you know what I mean, Like the 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.920 other guys I knew a lot about because Sharif in 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.720 there going three, so he went off the board. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.359 Early, man, you know what, you know what I mean? 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.760 It was nice though, it was nice, but then I 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:07.640 was like he went to Van Couver. I was like cool, 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.480 I'm like, that's truth. 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:12.679 Far. 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.680 I was like cool, I don't want to go there, 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:16.560 you know what I'm saying. So it was it was 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.920 one of those situations. But it was that that small 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.200 for and my group in ninety six was real tough. 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.560 But I mean, obviously I'm being low bias, but I 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.960 believe you guys really look at the second round picks. 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.000 I mean, Steve Nash went thirteen, I mean swept No. 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:34.440 Steve was sixteen. I think Kobe went thirteen. So you 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.600 got to really think about that draft was so deep, 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.840 and the second round picks were really good players in 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.040 the league, you know what I mean, and they helped 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.400 teams out, so that that draft was really really good. 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:44.920 I would say it's probably the best draft. 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:45.000 I know. 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.600 They would probably say Jordans and them and all those famous. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.360 One to sixties us to go all the way through, 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.040 pick out a couple of second round picks. Dudes had 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.879 some really good careers. Carry Kettles went eighty. 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.560 Socks baby, Yeah, Carry was good. Was loaded. 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:01.640 Yeah, That's what I'm saying. 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.240 When you really think about it and you go through it, 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.359 you be like, man, it was a lot of good 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.439 players in this draft that had impactful NBA careers. 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.320 Most definitely, how was it man? You know, so you 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.040 get your footing at Boston and then you get your 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.000 running mate. Well, wish you allip. 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.960 It was cool, man, because see Paul came in a 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.800 situation where when coach p first took all his first 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.760 draft and then Paul had a chip on his shoulder, 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.240 y'all to know Paul supposed to went like three or 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.800 four in a draft. He slid the team. Yeah, so 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.520 he slid on us like at number ten. So we 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.399 coach pe was like, we got to steal and it was. 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:34.680 It was. 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.080 It was beautiful, man, because me and Paul, we had 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.960 so much respect for each other to begin it, and 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.200 our games didn't getting each other way. Yeah, if that 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.440 makes sense, you know what I mean, we didn't. You know, 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.600 he played different type of games, you know what I'm saying. 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.840 So it made it real easy for us. But we 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.520 hit it off off the court. I think that's what 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.520 I probably our best thing was that me and Paul 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.360 became friends early on, started hanging out, started building the rapport, 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.360 and that's why we was able to play, you know, 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.200 five six years together and you know, obviously we didn't 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.040 win a title. We both ended up winning one, but 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.200 we had a lot of success. We helped put the 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.440 organization at least back in respectful. You need to be 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:09.320 respectful again. 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:12.400 So that was fun. And then the crazy part. We 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.640 never argue. Man, we never got in each other way. 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.840 And Paul tough. I argue about to Paul all the time. 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.840 He won the toughest at that position. The first or 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.920 second year that'll had that great record, Yeah had it. 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.440 What happened was, you know, so when coach p came 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:34.440 in first year, we only won fifteen games my rookie years, 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.320 so we came in, we immediately jumped to thirty something. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.480 We didn't make the playoffs though, but everybody's like, yeah, 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.600 we're right there. Then that lockout year happened and we 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.120 didn't improve. That was Paul first. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.120 That ninety nine year, like twenty games, I think it 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:50.240 was like fifty two games. 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.080 We didn't make no noise. We were bad. And then 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.920 the next year is when we took off Coach Pe. 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.760 We got out to a bad start. Coach P stepped down, 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.200 Jim O'Brien stepped in, Yeah, and then we took off 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.080 at one forty nine. Yeah, okay, that was the second year. Yeah, 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.160 so it was like really like his second year that 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.440 we took off on the on the Jim O'Brien. But yeah, 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.000 coach PA, could you know, man, I played with about 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:15.000 fifty dudes. 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.320 In two years. You know you can't do that in 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:16.760 the league. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:19.000 It's crazy. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.640 It was a revolving He wanted the press first of all. 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.640 That was that was probably the biggest problem. 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.160 That's the league. It's crazy. 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.640 That's why college coaches don't make it. He wanted the 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:33.360 press because doing that ship to want. So he wanted 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.000 the press. That was first of all. It was finding 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.960 guys that can really fit into that. And once that, 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.920 once that was over, then he wanted to win. You know, 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.360 you rebuilding, you know what I'm saying. So his patience 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:49.600 was over. He traded Chauncey Billers bro was our third 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.600 PIC said about forty games, are. 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:54.080 You doing. 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:57.160 A little more? 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.640 That's like yeah, he was, he was saying, because they 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:01.479 was taking for TIMVD. 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.640 But we got three or six three six, we get 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.760 and Ron. You know what I'm saying, we rebuilding, We're 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.440 building the team. We're going to be good. 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:16.400 Yeah, crazy coach that's my dog. You out of pocket, 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:20.840 betraying cho you first, that would have been insane, bro. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:26.560 You got to think it was Chauncey, me Ron and Py. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:27.520 Damn. 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.040 He could have been you know what I'm saying. 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.920 You know he got patient, But from my understanding, he 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.280 probably can tell the story different. He was in you know, 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.080 he loved Kenny and because he traded for Kenny, Kenny 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.120 was kind of like I think he was. I would 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.960 say it was out of prime, but he wasn't prime Kenny. Yeah, 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.640 but he always left Kenny from New York, so he 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.760 got an opportunity to get Kenny, so he got Kenny. 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:56.760 I think that was from New York stuff they had 0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:02.040 going like that. Yeah, but that's that's what made it 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.040 special though. But man, yeah, I played with cha man, 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:05.000 I played half the season with. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:09.040 John What's up? 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:17.200 Out of that would have been Yeah, that's the. 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.000 First Danny we got. Brian Stiff. 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:25.560 You wasn't my bro. 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:37.160 It was making me like an old man. What was 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:37.680 more like? 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.479 You know, you had your own shoe. Yeah, we had 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.400 Jason take them the same thing. It was more what 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.640 was better having your own shoe or being on the 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:45.960 cover of the video game. 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.640 Wow, that's a great question. I think being on the 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:52.520 cover of Video. 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.800 Game Live Too that was a special Live Too. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:55.160 Yeah. 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:56.240 Yeah. 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.800 One of the process of of going through it to 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:01.880 make thinking of it. It wasn't even about the bread 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.880 because the bread back then probably what they're paying now 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:07.160 is by quadruple what they're paying the guys now. But 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.880 just the fact that I'm gonna be in like twenty 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.080 million homes, you know what I mean Like this, that 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.800 was like the dopest part about it, making my grid. 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:22.240 Like we bought that game. That was yeah, before two 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:27.440 K that was the last one though, before he was 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:28.400 ninety nine, right. 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.400 I still had a run when because remember Georgia came 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:34.600 back on the Wizards. 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:35.960 And all that. I was still playing a lot of. 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:39.920 People, was playing a lot of time, respect now because 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.000 K had a run at the beginning on dream but 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.600 then Dream CATVI was kind of iffy until about first two. 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:51.200 I don't know, Dreamcasts took over though. Yeah, yeah, respect, 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.200 but it was dope, dope the process like putting on 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.040 the look, the whole little spandex suit and going through 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.160 the moves. Yeah, you know, I really feel like you 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.400 gotta know, a part of they're gonna use your moves 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.680 and stuff for so I always thank my agent for 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:04.960 that back. I'm like, man, this is one of the 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.320 dopest deals you ever got me. You'll be able to 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.320 be a part of that and to see where games 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:10.719 are now, you know what I mean. At least I 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.719 can go back and through that. I can always show 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.640 that little me on the cover. I mean that was 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:16.200 a part of it. 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.080 Now, when you when you have on the game, did 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:19.080 you did you pick your team? 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:19.759 No? 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.359 I never wanted to play with myself, but we played 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.759 that game a lot, my boy, that you know, we 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:24.840 used to play that. That was it. 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.320 We played Video Man all the games. That was what 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.720 You ain't pick yourself, No, it's hard to pick myself. 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:35.520 I picked myself very single time. Shoot every time. If 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.759 I'm on the cover, like yeah, yeah, I'm fifty five 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.920 or eight every day, shoot every shot with me, and 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:43.960 I better be a ninety five. 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.080 I'm living out my Dreams't put the ship me. 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.640 On the game. I didn't know. 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.279 That's before graphics got real, before I got real with 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:59.919 a glitch Shippy game. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.960 Uh, I don't even remember doing it like it's doing 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:03.640 it for the game. 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:09.719 To the signature I'm trying to think about it, like now, 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.239 I don't think and I had a commercial. They didn't 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.880 even use it for the commercial either. Maybe for the 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:16.520 commercial they used it for the commercial. 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.239 Did you realize like at that moment you're like, man, 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.759 I'm a superstar or was it like still just like 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:22.719 I'm hooping. Man. 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.279 My biggest moment was probably outside of one. 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.759 You know, we all feel we get drafted, made it, 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.080 but outside of that, to be honest, by the All Star, 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.640 when I actually got select to All Star, when I 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.560 was in that bus bro with all those dudes in 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.239 that locker room, and as a fan, you gotta think 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.600 I'm looking at Wretchie Miller, I'm looking at you know, Joe, 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.520 I'm looking at Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Morning, I'm looking at 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.279 all the dudes. I just like every day I'm on 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.160 TV watching these dudes, and now I'm in the same 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.080 locker room with him, you know what i mean. Larry 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.840 Barry was the coach, you know what I'm saying. So 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.960 it was just that whole thing. Then I'm in Massive 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.399 Square Guard for the game, you know what I'm saying. 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.279 So I think that probably was when it like really 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:04.000 hit me, like you know, I really arrived and. 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.200 Me and you got the same experience. My first All 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.480 Star game was in my only All Star game. It 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.200 was in the Madson Square Goer too, and that's how 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.680 I had that same feeling. But you kept playing and kept. 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:17.920 I had my moment. 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:19.759 I missed. 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.080 I felt like I got snubbed twice, you know what 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.960 I mean. The other years I didn't deserve it, but 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.400 I felt like it was two other years I should 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:27.879 have made it. But you was like sn at the crib, 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.080 like when they're doing on T and T they doing 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.120 the revealing you like, man, I knowing for to make it, 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:32.759 make it. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:33.560 I was a little salted. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:35.719 Years ago. See d C. 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:38.600 I think they played in d C. I'm trying to 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:39.360 think what year that was. 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.600 You was here, right, Yeah, I went well, I played 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.360 three and then also the Rookie game in Cleveland. So 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.239 my first year I played, made the rookie team. That 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.520 was cool in Cleveland because we all none of us 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.279 made it, but Kobe. I think Kobe was the only 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.239 one that made the real All Star Game. So me 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:03.680 a all us was on just a rookie game for sure. 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:05.799 You talk about that that other you know what I'm 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:06.880 saying George's one. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.359 How was that game? Man? 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.400 What the last one? 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:15.360 Said? My nigga two k. 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:25.920 I the last The last one special for me, all 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.400 honesty for me personally. That was the year m J 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.279 came back. I don't know if you guys familiar, but 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.759 when he came back in No. Three, I got a 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.239 real I got a phone call that summer and we know, 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.799 I kind of like control to run with the pick 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.160 up ball where we played that, which is actually right 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.880 on the street that we were on, feeling right. But 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:52.239 the thing is, he called me like, yo, block number. 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:53.920 You know, it's like you could call people block and 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.160 everything private number, and he's like yo. He's like, yo, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.239 I hear you gotta you know you got the run going, 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.239 and I'm thinking about coming back. I'm like, it's like 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.760 may Bro, I'm like, I'm about to go on vacation 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.480 kicking we locked out the playoffs. He like, I'm trying 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:08.560 to get in the gym, and I need you to 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.359 call everybody in the gym and get them in the gym. 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.160 I'm trying to come back. So you know, Michael Jordan 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.520 tell you that. You know, You're like, man, I'm like, okay, 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.600 everything stopped. Now I'm back in the gym, So we stopped. 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.520 I called all the guys like, Yo, MJ. Want to 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:28.440 come back, and he wanted everything to be prot He 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.839 wanted to work out in the mornings. So we all 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.360 used to work out with Tim Grover in the mornings, 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.279 lifting there and doing you know, our conditioning with him, 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.440 and we played every day at two o'clock. I'm not 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.160 talking about man. The gym used to be thirty five 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.040 forty pros. Like you lose that you might not get back, 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.120 and you may not get back on the court. Like 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:48.920 we used to have to start another court just so 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.880 guys can get some working. But everybody wanted to be 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.120 on that main court, you know what I mean, going 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.640 against him. But he wanted everything to be assimilated to 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.520 coming back. So I got an opportunity of a lifetime man. 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.719 We and really good friends. I started hanging with him 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.120 off the court, spending a lot of time with him, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.000 and the best part was just just competitiveness, man, Just 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.719 to see how you work, how hard he work, even 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.960 at the age that he was at, and how good 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.120 he was, and where I could see the separation to 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.120 him and you know, some of the greats and how 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.839 he separates hisself determined to win. I mean every day 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.719 was a battle, bro, just to talk shit like who 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.040 won today? Like you know we're gonna play ten, twelve, 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.839 fifteen pickup yans. He want to dominate that, that whole 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.799 set he want to he want to dominate that run. 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.320 Just to watch how he took that, it just instilled 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:37.680 a lot of me and like the work that you 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:39.680 got to put in to actually win a championship and 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.680 to be at the level that he's at. But those 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.000 are invaluable years that I would I would never pass 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.520 up the two years I got to be with him 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.439 and be up under his umbrella and watch him work, 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.560 and especially at that age. And I finally got me 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.200 one of six, so I was able to talk some 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.440 shit back to him. But yes, you know he type 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.080 person like you ain't never want nothing, Like if you 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:58.960 ain't want nothing, you can't really talk shit to him 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.440 here about winning, Like what's that? 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.560 Like, what's those moments like like being with MJ. And 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:05.680 I heard this all the time. I've been around him 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.399 sometimes and he just talk a bunch of shit. 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.879 I mean, just like us man, he talked big ship, 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.239 not a bunch of shit, big shit, But I mean, 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.680 how can you argue with it? You gotta, like, you 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:19.400 gotta find every good thing you got going on. 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.799 You gotta find everything you can. 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:24.160 Man. 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.799 But I'm in surreal moment. You know, you gotta think 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:27.080 about it. 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:27.239 Man. 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.480 We all grew up Michael Jordan's fans, man, so to 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.320 have an opportunity to be around him, to know him personally, 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.600 to know his family, know his kids, and be in 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.560 his personal spaces with something that I always appreciated and 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.480 always loved and value to this day. 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:40.880 You know what I mean. 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.080 So you don't you don't pass up those opportunities. 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:48.360 And we all did myself, Mike Finley, Juwan, Howard, Ken, Richison, Me, 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:50.840 Bobby Simmons, like all of us, had the opportunity of 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.800 a lifetime to be around him on a daily basis 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.600 and work out and train with him. And it was 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.600 special and it was you know, it was fun memories 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:57.839 man on and off the court. 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.319 You talking any younger place is like almost an NBA 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:02.520 or college kids that was around you. 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.840 Y'all seen like blossom after those runs A. 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:10.200 Man, Bobby was one. Bobby comes up. Bobby ended up 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.320 getting most improved. Well, he started MJ took him to 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.080 Washington with him. I don't know if y'all know the story. 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.200 So he went to Washington with MJ and then ended 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.680 up trading to Milwaukee, and then Bobby ended up turned 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.120 into you know, most improved. I think he wants six 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.279 man all that stuff. So to see him do that 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.480 was one And I think that came from being up 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:32.239 under Mike Tulis. That's me personally from watching it, because 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:36.080 Bobby was always very skilled and MJ kind of like 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.680 injected that into him, like you you know, you could 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.000 be better, you can be good. So that's the one 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:42.840 guy that kind of you know, sticks out to me, 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:44.400 like right off the top of my head, that that 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.239 really benefited from that situation for sure. 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:49.440 I'll start with you in the situation, y'all can both 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.600 kind of relate to this, you know, having a base 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.520 in a great franchise for a long time and then 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:55.680 switched the teams the first time, you know, saying leaving 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.799 Boston the first time the Hawks of the first time, 0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.439 how is that feeling? Like I feel like you build 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:00.840 something he'll be with is like, all right, now, I 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.400 got to move on to start the next chapter in 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:02.839 my career. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.719 Moment like man gonna lie, Man, I'm gonna keep it real, 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.680 and I was crowd like a baby like I was. 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:09.960 I couldn't believe I got traded. 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:10.080 Bro. 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:11.920 It was like it was because I felt like we 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.840 was just starting to like become one of the you know, 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.000 we did looten Eastern Conference Finals. We end up losing 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.120 to Jersey, but we caught them New Jersey team when 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.200 they were they get to the finals back to back. 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.040 But I felt like we was like, you know that 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.280 we was right there to like really turn the corner. 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.239 So it hurt, like personally by myself, I crowed like, damn, 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.520 I ain't want to go nowhere else. You know, if 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.600 we had built so much there, we were starting to, 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.080 you know, really get to that next level. And then 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.640 to get traded. It was tough, but the best thing 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.200 for my trade, A lot of people understanding. I got 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.680 a chance to go play with three you three great players, man. 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.719 I got to play with Mike Finley, Steve Nash and 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.239 Dirt Yes sir, and then Antoine Jamieson was our sixth man. 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:52.880 Damn. 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:55.960 Yeah, So you know what I'm saying. So I went 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.480 to a situation. Now I knew I was gonna win 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:02.160 where and have to do it all? You know in Boston, 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:03.600 you know, me and Paul felt like we had to 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.680 go get fifty five sixty at night. But that team, 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.719 I ain't have to do that. We have four five 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:10.880 guys that can get it done. So that was a 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.440 different That was different, and there was that was a 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.839 good situation, but we just ran into that Sacramento team. 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:20.279 Man, that last Sacramento run, y'all remember that last well, 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.239 Mike Bibbie all, we ran to that last run. 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.560 So we couldn't win. Get over that hump. But that 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.480 was so I got traded to a safe I would 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.040 say a safe space. Well, you know, sometimes you can 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:34.000 go to a situation. You'd be down in Memphis at 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.399 that time, there was bad. I could have went back 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.200 to Atlanta with oh you know what I'm saying. I 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.359 could have went to a bad situation. But I went 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.640 to a winning situation. So I think that was That's 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:46.480 what helped me out a lot. 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.120 Did you see that potential in Dirk? 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:50.120 Yeah, he was tough. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.680 I don't know if I saw m v P no 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.160 Dirk at that time, but I saw the skill set. 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.880 The game was changing over when the big man can 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.279 shoot the three step out because Dirk don't really got 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.680 a lot to shake me down handle. Everything is puffed 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:08.880 fake here, fake and he legit seven feet so he's 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.040 getting it off, you know, with his arc and everything. 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.160 So but you can see it though he was starting 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.319 to get as tough as him and Steve Nash had 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.680 a great, you know, chemistry together, so we had to 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.319 figure like, I had to figure out how to play 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.160 with them more so than you know what I mean, 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:24.480 them have to figure out to play with me. I 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.479 have to like get in the corner, get some cuts, 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.239 back door cuts. You gotta like figure it out because 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.000 everything was going through those two guys. 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.040 A lot of people don't know. For the young people 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:34.279 watching this, Michael Finley was a dog. 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:38.080 Oh yeah, Michael Strong too, Michael Michael was. Mike might 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.919 have been the second league score because you know, Nash 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.080 is more like a fifteen to fifteen type of guy. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:45.680 But I think Mike was the second league scorre on 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:46.080 that team. 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:48.280 Squawk Yeah. 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:53.239 Is good. And we had Travis Best to y'all know, 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.399 Travis Bes was nice too. 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, shot killer. 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:00.600 So we had. 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:07.480 Lessend some games though. We underchieved though, losing the first 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.279 round was underachievement. Yeah, you know what I mean, So 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.040 that we never got it, got a chance to see 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:13.840 it out. And then obviously y'all know what happened the summer. 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.919 Steve Nash went the Phoenix. Yeah, broke that up real quick. 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.040 That was necessary though, that was necessary. Yeah, Mark Cuban 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:21.840 dropped the ball. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:29.200 On them, but he got Phoenix necessary. 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.120 Yeah that's that. That's It's crazy, how like it could 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.480 change in months. But yeah, he he left, and so 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:35.839 that next year was your last year. 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.399 No, I played. 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.319 My last year in the league. No, no, no, I'm 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:48.640 talking about the Dallas Yeah, was like, yo, I gotta 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.680 get a point guard. I got traded for Jason Terry. 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.480 That's how you came to the Yeah, he came and 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:54.160 blessed the city. 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.319 Yeah, I got trade up for Jason Terry. That's how 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.000 Jason Terry ended up there. And then I went and 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:02.879 played half the year. And like I was telling y'all earlier, 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.480 in the Cats, man we was terrible. So I was like, 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.440 man so And the funny part about it, the selfish 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:11.480 called me. So I was still really good friends with 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.120 the equipment manager and people in the front office. So 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.239 me and Danny Ainge. We you know, we had some 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.400 words and the paper and everything, so we weren't doing 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.719 them the same page. So they was like, yo, would 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:26.680 you come back? I was like, I was like, commediately, 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.279 please come, please come get me out here. Next thing, 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.080 you know, bro on the West coast. They called me 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.279 and was like, man, they traded back for me. So 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.080 it was different from me because Doc was the coach. 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.600 So I think I want to say, I don't know 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.200 if it was doc first year, well, if it was 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:44.239 the second, well five, yeah, it was Doc first year 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.400 with the selfis or the second. I think it was right, 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:52.080 but it was dope because they were like five or 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.880 six games of the five hundred, and we won like 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.719 twelve out of thirteen. We took off and ended up 0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.919 being the three seed and got upset by the pace 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:01.600 are you boys? 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.400 Yeah yeah us in seven games. 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.279 They gave me the fake suspension fighting Jamaine on there, 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:14.399 the fake fight like all that. That's crazy, man, like yeah, 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.160 that was That's how I went. And then I didn't 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.040 And then that summer I didn't sign back. The felt 0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.440 just kind of low ball me and Miami offered me 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.480 more money. Signed with Miami is it true. 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.080 When you get to Miami, it's a real coaching like 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:28.680 that body fat. 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.919 Yeah. I had my run as bro. Yeah, I ain't 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:32.560 gonna lie man. 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:34.319 Yeah. 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.160 So the first time I get there, So when I signed, 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.440 he's like he came, he brought me in. So I 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.120 played at like probably two between two fifty five two sixty. 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.440 He was like, uh, I need you a two fifty 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.040 and ten percent body fat. You got thirty days, Like 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.560 it's like you got you know, because training camp start, 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.640 so it's like you need to get down here, figure 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:58.680 it out. I need just that's why I want you 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:02.120 at opening night. So I basically had two months to 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.120 get there and give you a break until one s 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:05.680 the season start. 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.520 You got to weigh in every Monday. Every Monday you 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:09.040 got a way in. 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:10.759 So he gave you a number, so your number may 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.160 be like I said, had to be between two forty 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.680 eight two fifty two at that time, and then I 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.520 had to be a ten percent body fat. So you 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.560 got to be weigh in every Monday. You gotta be 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.800 at those numbers. If you don't, you get fine. 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:28.680 That's crazy. Hell check it would. 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:29.560 I mean it was cool. 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.680 I had one episode that I that we didn't come in, 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.759 but it was me Posy and shot Bro Like y'all 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.600 know how skinny Posey is, how pos they make his Yeah, 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:40.880 but Pa was he was in one of the moves. 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.799 So I got suspended once for like three games. But yeah, 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:46.080 he was on it every week. He used to be 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.000 on it. That was a that was that was like 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:48.880 a pet peeve with here. 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.279 So you got suspended if you didn't make that like 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:51.600 that was. 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.400 Oh yeah, I got suspended three games for it my 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.080 first year of my second year, I did. Yeah, we 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:01.279 got suspended. He used to finest it. I forgot his story. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:01.799 with the baby. 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.319 But Shack, if you have a shock, tell your story, Shack. 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.439 I always held so Shack when we played with three, 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.400 like three twenty yeah, if you ever look at it. 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.479 But Shack say he played in the Lakers at three seventy. God, 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:17.600 that's what that's what he says. I mean, I don't 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.200 know how true it is, but Shack say he played 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:20.839 with the Lakers at three seventy. 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.600 Three seventy might be three. 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:34.640 Shack was m v P. Yeah, so he won the 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.680 multiple a couple of times at that way. Yeah, at 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.200 that way. So yeah, him and Shock used to bump 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.319 hands A little bit about that, Yeah, a little bit, 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.560 he said. He's skinning about about that though. He said, 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:46.920 well I put that baby on me. 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.440 Smooth, smooth, cooler, that's right, he got. 0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.840 Yeah, yeah, right off. 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:57.680 With you did? 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.520 You should have you should have got damn jobs. I 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.640 was like, I was like eight point two or something. 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.799 I wasn't like off man, I was, Man, I changed 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:08.360 my life for that. 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:08.560 Yo? 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.000 Why had full time cook? I was eating good like 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.040 you had to, like you got to buy in. Yeah, 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:14.960 like you got a buy in to keep it up. 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.400 So like I mean me, when I went to Miami, 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:19.560 you know, were going out, We're going to see Booby 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.640 Trap whatever it is Live like living there and playing 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:24.400 there and knowing that you got a body fat thing 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:25.080 every Monday? 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.839 What's that like? Do y'all go out? 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:27.960 Man? 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:28.920 We did. 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.239 I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna tell you this. The 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.640 staying room became my best friend. The staying room like 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:38.279 that was that was a big part of my resume. 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:39.640 But yeah, we have to go out, man, How you're 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.279 gonna not go out? We're in Miami's And then you know, 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.160 I was in Miami when Live first started and it 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.759 was just getting popping, like everybody was just starting to 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.120 come there, and then it's to be turned up. I 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.360 tell people, I never partied and played basketball bro like 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.040 that in my life. I went to Miami. Can't help it, man, 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:59.879 it's eighty five degrees outside chain ready, fifteen eighty five. 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.800 You know everybody in town. So I had to discipline myself. 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:06.800 So I started doing like this, like and then you 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.719 got friends on every team, so everybody call you like 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:13.000 and they don't care about They don't even care about. 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:17.240 Miami got the best secret in the world home court events. 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.160 They don't even care. They call it like, Yo, I 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.200 want to get out, so you gotta go out. 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:21.680 That's the night. 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:23.560 I don't drink, though you're gonna I'm gonna go out. 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.680 I'm gonna take you out, but I ain't gonna drink 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.359 that night. I'm gonna try not drink that night, wait 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.040 till they gone. 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:30.759 That was Atlanta though. 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:34.360 Everybody, especially the West Coast teams, they come for that 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.759 one game that year. Everybody be drunk everything. Next day 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:39.560 we knew he was gonna beat your about twenty. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:43.760 Oh yeah, you definitely got oh definitely. They don't get wasted. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.000 Everybody that's the only thing about a tough part about 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:49.360 playing that you got to have discipline. You have to 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.719 discipline yourself something. It's just nice every day. Man, you 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.279 know you're coming out of practice eighty five degrees because 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.600 it's hard. You play good in Miami though, Yeah, I 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.080 try like twelve thirty yeah, something like that. But you 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.239 know I caught I caught the prime D way. Yeah 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.560 that the way that was thirty six. 0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:09.680 S. 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:11.959 That's the greatest finals ever, Bro. 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:13.160 I caught the active D way. 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.200 You think that's the greatest finals the way you know, we. 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.320 Talk ship, we love you the way you know what 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:23.160 I mean. You can't, folks, but that his finals performance 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:24.640 is the greatest of all time, bro. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:28.560 And better than dirt. Yes, that's tough. 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:30.759 The way average I might be off. 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:33.680 You know, I'm gonna give me you out. Yeah study 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:37.799 five oh too, so yeah right. 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.080 Miami and shout out to Twine and them. But he 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:47.600 this old school. Now, everybody was like, I. 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.880 Like the Wade and there's two other ones I liked. 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:52.440 I thought was special, that. 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.520 Old school one m J against Phoenix with something special 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.960 and then honest, but. 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:06.440 You bro, I just missed the first game. He was 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:10.759 kell throw whole that the whole. He was terrible before that. 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:11.200 Bron. 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:19.480 Oh that makes I would love to see that's the best. 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:21.799 To come back. 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.360 But I think the n b A is really got. 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.840 I gotta rethink that I forgot about Bron and d 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.600 Wade was ill. Bro No he was saying, he said, 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.440 but I'm just saying that Bro him averaging that like 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.480 on that team, Bro as such a young his yea 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.360 third year in the league. Bro and willing, y'all to 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:45.000 the final there, Bron. 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:45.400 And what's so far about your team? I had a 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.200 lot of like savvy and good Jay Will what that 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:49.399 will point? 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.680 Yeah, Jake Will was good? What was good for d Wade? 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:54.840 And now that people don't know this was g P 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.799 say g GP was older and what's the same GP? 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.960 But g he allowed d Wade not to have to 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:05.440 guard the main score the two guards. GP guarded them. 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:07.439 Like a lot of people don't know that that GP 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.520 closed most of the games out. Jay Will obviously started 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.680 and everything, but GP closed a lot of the games out, 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.200 so d Wade didn't have to guard at the two spots. 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:21.239 GP would guard those guys and Posey Posey was really good, 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.520 you know, guarded uh, Guarden perimeter guys too. So that's 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.399 that's what it was special about that team, d Way 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:29.680 who was able to protect him where he could be 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.040 him on offense. So what was your game plan for Dirk? 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.480 Let them see different looks you d started on them. 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:41.239 I got him post guard him, let them see like 0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.239 four or five different guys. It didn't really it didn't 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.960 really work. He still had a great series. But you know, 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:47.880 you know how you can get used to one guy Guarden. 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.680 You know, we wanted to make sure he saw different bodies, 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.600 different looks, you know what I mean. Like you you 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.759 know he's smaller, you d like six six six seven. 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.080 You gonna do a lot more fun, go in front 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:00.279 him a lot more than they maybe I will, Yeah, 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:01.719 you know what I mean. And so it's just like 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.640 posy Obviously, you can't put on the floor poles hand, 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:07.440 so we gave him a lot of different looks. I 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:09.319 think that was our that was our advantage for him. 0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.400 They still played great though, he still put up some numbers. 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:15.000 But and it was good for the guys too, because 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:18.320 everybody have to have that assignment by theirself. Sometimes you 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:19.960 gotta take that punching by yourself. 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:26.359 I had d rof. Nobody else switched off on them. 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:32.200 V I'm damn switch you first time ever played in 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:32.800 the playoffs? 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:34.279 Really oh wow? 0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:36.719 Yeah, they didn't want to switch nothing, but it's all good. 0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:39.120 I was gonna ask you because I was a part 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.760 of a championship team. We ain't had no after party. 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.520 We wanted chick People went home with their families ate 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.839 chicken nuggets like that. What did it y'all do when 0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:50.400 y'all want it? 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:54.680 So we went in Dallas, which is not good, but okay, 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.279 we wanted to die. So Pat Rowles he went out, 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.560 wanted the ballroom. So yeah, guys had their family. So 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:04.080 we start party in there, DJ food. Everybody was kicking 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:07.279 it and then we told ers want to go home. 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:11.440 We want to go to Miami. So we ended up 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.239 leaving like six in the morning. A lot of people 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:14.800 don't know that. We flew back at six in the 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.000 morning the next that morning, after partying, I was like, everybody, 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.279 get their stuff, pack your bag, leave your family here. 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:21.600 They got to get home. 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.440 We're gone, and we went with at Miami. We did 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:28.080 uh we did Kings of Diamonds, man, damonds, it was diamonds. 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.120 I'm sorry it was called Diamonds. We went the Diamonds 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:35.080 the next night. We spent about one fifty in that 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:38.680 Bro the singles, but it was all of us though. 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:39.840 You know what that looked like. 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:43.719 Yeah, we was on the stage with the dance. 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:54.400 One jersey crazy Yo. 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:54.839 We went. 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:58.200 We partied right there, Bro, and then for me personally, 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:01.320 I left them after the ray, I went on my 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:02.360 thirty day hiatus. 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:02.520 Bro. 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.720 I went thirty days, thirty nights. I at the fool. 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:09.640 I thought I was going to get. 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.359 Right right. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:13.480 Man. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.760 I grabbed my boy from grabbed my boy Joe from college. 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.560 I'm like, YO, were finish hit it. So I started 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.600 in Chicago, had a draft party, I mean, had a 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.640 championship party in Chicago, and took off. I just hit 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.920 all the hot cities. Bro went on tour after I 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:29.920 went on too far and I was supposed to met 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.240 the team care how crazy it was, so we got 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:33.600 you know, when you win it, you get it back 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:35.880 to the espis. So we're supposed to be the champion 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.400 team to go to ask me, Bro, I got alcohol poison. 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.120 I killed myself. I couldn't even I couldn't even make it. 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.600 I'm in la in the bed at the esp couldn't 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:46.360 even get couldn't even make it with the guys. Man, 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.920 I missed asks that year? Was it was that day 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:57.240 twenty five, my day twenty because you was like, I 0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.320 was like, like day twenty I. 0:57:59.400 --> 0:57:59.680 Try to go. 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:03.400 Third day, I'm not frin I try to. I ain't never. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:05.720 I won't want to calls here pro bo. You couldn't 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.120 tell me nothing. Remember that's song the champions here. I 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.360 have a DJ, I get him a hunted. 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:13.520 The champions here. 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:18.520 Yeah, that was my thing right there. Man, I had 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:21.400 a ball boy. I never won a championship the NBA chip. 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.520 I have to hear all them stories. Man, I enjoyed 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.520 myself and everybody else did I know what I did? 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.200 Y'all squad had a lot of people who was looking 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:31.800 for that first raade too, So that was super up 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:33.600 to see how y'all sell situation? Man. 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.040 Probably Elizo probably was what's the happiness all for? Man, 0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.120 there's a lot of people don't know, and I'm surprised 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:42.680 nobody ever talked about it. You know, to see him, bro, 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:44.880 he was taking like eighty pills a day to make it, 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.240 you know, because for his kid and getting strong. So 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:48.919 to watch him every day. You know what I'm saying. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:50.440 I had to take the pills and go through all 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.040 of the treatment he had to do just to play 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.360 that Season's special for him, like you know, for all 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:58.360 of us to see him actually get one. Uh, that's 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:00.960 what I really felt it for because and a lot 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.000 of us would have just retired a lot of people 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.000 when they went through that challenge their health and they 0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:09.360 and doing their health in that situation to play basketball. 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.240 And he was obviously a big part of our team 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.720 and what we were doing that year. So to see 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:15.720 him go through that and get one for him, it 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:20.400 was speciale as fire man, Yeah, the man he meant 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.560 to be used to take them pills like skilled. Was like, 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:24.760 I'm like, he's got to take like forty fifty pills 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:28.360 a day to keep his numbers. After the game we 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:30.240 all leave and he back there with the training with 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.439 the doctor making sure it's numbers right. They can leave 0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:35.280 like you know, that's out the games and stuff like that. 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:39.640 So that was especially a part of that guy with 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:46.360 quick y can't take it till now. It's crazy to 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.200 see him to see him come back, man, to see 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:49.640 him be a part of that and play the huge 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.680 part and what he did the game shot. 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.120 Yeah, that was that was That was the one guy 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:58.720 that was special to see him enjoy that championship for sure. 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.360 Man, we talk about you a of the game. 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:02.440 Who are some young players from Madre your game or 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:04.320 some of the young players you rock with out right now. 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.200 Right now in the league. I ain't gonna lie. I 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.080 love watching He's not I mean, don'ta play the same position. 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:13.680 But I'm loving watching Anthony Edwards right now. I tuned 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:18.120 it to him every night, every time I get a chance. Obviously, 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.000 you know I'm a little biased, but I love them boys, 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:23.160 Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown, Yes, sir, you know, watching 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.160 them especially over the last couple of years and getting 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.640 to know them personally being around an organization. I love 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:32.640 what they're doing up there. And then I still I'm 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.520 still I'm still honest fan, man, I still I still 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:36.080 like Joannis. 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:36.280 Man. 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.640 I still like when Jannis is doing it in Milwaukee. 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.320 People get bored with great and it's kind of because 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:42.919 even though the same thing, and then. 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:44.880 The regular guys, you know what I mean, I still 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:45.720 appreciate KD. 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:47.440 You know what I mean, what he's doing on a 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.440 daily basis and obviously, I know they're not having as 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:51.760 much you know, team success, but you know, I'm a 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.240 little biased to guys at six eight to sixteen that 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:56.280 can you know, shoot it, put it on the floor. 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.760 Kind of my favorite guys. I'm starting to fall in 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.000 love now. We call Anthony Towns man over the last 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.400 two years, you know what I mean, the way he's 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.960 transformed his game now and mixing and matching, you know, 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:09.800 with the three and going inside now. 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.000 So I'm loving what he's doing over the last couple 1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:12.360 of years. 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:15.120 So I'm I'm them the guys I like watching him 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:17.720 tune then too is the guys that you know that 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:22.120 are versatile, and I mean, I think for this game now, 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:25.080 I do still believe the point guard opposition is the toughest. 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.280 I think every night you don't get you don't get 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.160 a night off. You think the league's in your hands 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.680 though post Lebron and then when they've done hang it up. Yeah, 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.280 because I think it's more balanced. I think even if 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.440 you look at the records now, it's no real no 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.960 complete domination, you know what I mean, you ain't got nobody, 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.080 you know, I know a couple of team's got decent records, 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:45.360 but you ain't got nobody really dominating the league where 1:01:45.720 --> 1:01:47.480 you know they're gonna be. It was a one stretch 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.000 and you guys knew that. We knew Golden State and 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:52.720 Cleveland's gonna be. I mean that stretch, we knew no 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:55.520 matter what went on, we knew Lebron was coming out 1:01:55.600 --> 1:01:59.280 the East, and we knew nobody be. You don't think 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.840 Boston got a landslide over everybody. I do, but I 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:08.560 think they vulnerable. Obviously, I am biased. I do believe 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:11.480 they got gonna I like the I like the additions 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.320 they made. I like they said their first seven to 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:19.320 eight guys are really good. I think Jason Tatum has 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:20.760 a chip on the shows. I think if he could 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.520 win a chip this year after how the thing happened 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:26.240 in the Olympics, I think would be speak values because 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:27.600 I know he would have to play a big part 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:31.960 in them to actually win it. But it's just I 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:34.120 think it's I think it's more balanced. Yeah, I mean, 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:38.439 I think which is good for the league. I don't 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:41.400 I'm not a big fan of the end season tournament. 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.080 I'm a little old school. I know sometimes people say that, 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.320 but I like the ground of the A two game season, 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:48.920 and and I think, you know, when you start putting 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:52.000 the money emphasis that just for the tournament, I think 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:55.120 it still devalues it, you know what I mean, Because 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:57.600 that's what it's really fun. Guys like, Okay, well I 1:02:57.640 --> 1:02:59.280 ain't get half menon I won a part of that, 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:00.560 you know what I mean. I don't the guys are 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:04.200 taking it as serious, But I like I like the 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:05.560 ay two game season grind man. 1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:07.520 I like the original way. And that's just ground for 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:08.040 eighty two. 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:10.840 Who can stay healthy, who can put together they runs, 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:11.880 who can stay focused. 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.720 I like that, And that's one thing people discount a lot. 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:16.600 It's just like, well, it ain't always the best team 1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:18.080 to wins. The team that's most healthy will. That's a 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.280 part of like playing the eighty two game season is 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:21.640 you have to do all these things to win. 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:23.360 It's not easy to win a championship. Yeah. 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:26.400 And then but then you watch the tournament and then 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.440 you see some of the guys that eleventh to fifteenth 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:31.840 man get a extra half million, you feel real good, 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:33.840 you know what I'm saying. So that's the part that 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.240 you love about it because those guys, you know, guys 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:38.080 making the league minimum and stuff like that, so you 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:41.040 feel good for those guys. So it's nice in that sense, 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:43.840 But just as a basketball guy, I still like the 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:45.800 eighty two game season ground. I do like cutting the 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:51.080 preseason down. Those games don't mean anything. So it's different now. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:53.040 I remember you used to go to training camp. 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:53.160 Bro. 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:55.680 It should be twenty two to twenty three guys in camp, 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.400 so you can actually be your guys a day off, 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:01.800 your main guys. Now guys are coming to training camp 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.680 with just their their right So that's why I think 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:06.680 it makes it. You know, it's a little different now 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:08.840 they ain't bringing twenty two to twenty three guys to 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:09.760 training camp no more. 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.000 I was gonna Actually, I know you had a quote 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:14.200 and they actually why you shoot so many threes? 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:16.440 And you said, because it's no force. How do you 1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:20.640 feel about the league now? Like Loston shooting that's one 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:24.760 of the hardest quotes I've ever seen. But on average, 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.560 I'm gonna shoot forty eight to fifty three. 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:26.880 Is a game? 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.360 Yeah, I just it's just shot sixty nine. 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.480 So how do you feel like being a guy who 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:33.280 said it was enough? 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.080 I see I'm hating Bro for real. 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:41.760 Yeah, because Bro, I took so much punishment no, two 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:43.760 years back to back. I think I led at the 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.560 league in three point attempts and now used to kill me. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.040 They killed me. The media would kill me. 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:51.960 I think I shot like six hundred and something twice 1:04:52.600 --> 1:04:55.720 and they I would get negative write ups about it. 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:57.760 And now I see it now it's such a big 1:04:57.840 --> 1:05:01.280 part of the game. It's like the championship team is 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:03.600 like their biggest weapon, you know what I'm saying. So 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:05.920 in that sense, no, you be hating like that. And 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:07.440 then I wanted like that, but I could play this 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:09.360 damn era. I probably left one hundred meal on the 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:13.040 table for sure. You know, I left money on the 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:14.880 table if I could play in this era. So I'll 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:15.720 be hating in that sense. 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:17.560 But I like it. I mean, it just depends. I 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:18.880 think it can get a little carried away. 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.680 I do hate the fact that nobody's posting up like 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:26.680 nobody's posting up, yeah, and that that I do hate 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:28.680 that part because we did have some great low post players, 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:30.200 guys that can post up everybody. 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:32.480 Yeah, you know, you used to have good playguards that 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.040 can post up. Nobody wants to post up. 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:37.240 Mark Jackson. 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:40.560 I do hate that part of it, that we don't 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:45.479 have no guys though I was a part of it. Yeah, 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:49.440 but I look at but I see I called Anthony 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.720 Towns and I see other big guys making threes and 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:52.520 then beg part of it. 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:53.560 I feel good. 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:55.720 I'd be like, yeah, I mean you get to see 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.720 that because you see more guys being able to step 1:05:58.800 --> 1:05:59.560 outside and make it. 1:05:59.680 --> 1:06:04.600 I mean, shit, look at Wombi crazy five. 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:10.160 Well he's made in the change and you see I mean, 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:12.920 obviously we know Pop has been sick, but whoever thought 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:15.760 we'll see a guy on Pop team shooting fifteen three? 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:17.840 Never thought I'd see that straight up. 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:19.560 I wanted to ask you to, like, who was your 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.080 favorite teammate man your whole career? Who was that guy 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:25.720 that you was my favorite favorite teammate man man? 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:29.400 Probably Paul, Yeah, because we got to spend the most 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:29.880 time together. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:33.480 We went through that grind trying to get the Celtis 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:36.400 back to respectability. But I think it more importantly, me 1:06:36.440 --> 1:06:38.000 and Paul hung out a lot off the court, And 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:39.800 you guys know this, and Jeff, you know that a 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:41.960 lot of guys sometimes we be teammates, but you don't 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:44.600 really hang out tick it. But me and Paul got 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:47.640 to really spend a lot of time together our families. 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:50.000 Paul will obviously come up here and support me in 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:53.400 anything I'm doing. I'm gonna support him, and so we 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:56.120 built a real special bond, so that that's probably my favorite. 1:06:56.320 --> 1:06:57.760 That's why, like a lot of people give me a 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:00.360 hard time, even like the Wade when they asked y'all 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:02.800 remember the comparison between him and d Wade and stuff like. 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:05.000 That's tough for me because I mess with the Wade 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:08.440 from the crab, good friend, but then being Paul like brothers, 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:10.280 you know what I'm saying, So it makes it hard. 1:07:10.320 --> 1:07:11.920 So I was just that much respect for him, but 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:14.400 just the grind, the ground we went through every day. 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:17.760 Man was specially trying to and get that story franchise 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:22.040 back to respectability. And it's crazy now we don't see 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:24.720 each other a lot, but we in Boston together and 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:26.920 picked right back up, you know what I'm saying, Like clockwork, 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:28.200 how did y'all go about? 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:28.320 Like? 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:28.560 Who? 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:31.560 Like I know you say, y'all games never gotten away 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:34.640 of each other. But was it like moments so you like, shit, Paul, 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:36.320 don't pass that before keep shooting at her? 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:38.960 Oh yeah all the time. Yeah, yeah, like that, Like 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:40.160 I wasn't never like I was. 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.360 I was all like trying to win, like, and his 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:44.439 skill set different than mine, you know what I'm saying, 1:07:44.480 --> 1:07:47.080 So you got to respect guy's skill set. Paul one 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:49.120 of those guys like you don't go he can go 1:07:49.200 --> 1:07:52.080 for twenty five in the quarter. I want the guy 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:54.080 can go for twenty five in the quarter. I could score, 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:56.040 you know what I mean. I can have my moments, 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.560 but that wasn't never my thing. Paul had he can 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:00.680 get to the foul line. You know, I was one 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:03.040 of those dudes. They get twenty texts a year, so rests. 1:08:04.480 --> 1:08:06.480 You know what I mean, I get twenty text a year. 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:09.240 You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so I'm I'm 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.440 I'm one of those dudes. So Paul, out of respect, 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:13.680 he gonna get to the line. So I would go. 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:15.320 I would defer to Paul, like, bro, you're gonna get 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:17.400 to the line you can get to like like, ILL 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:19.439 respected the fact of that, and I just knew and 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:20.600 I love this competitiveness. 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:21.320 That's what we think. 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:24.760 We really hit home, man, like we both are super competitive, 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:28.880 Like Paul, when I wanted to go at Kobe Melo 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:33.200 and Lebron James like he loved them matchups, like that's 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:34.760 what he looked forward to. And you look at his 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:38.240 numbers against those guys, bro, he got those numbers. 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:43.360 I used to run that play. Uh up he run. 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:47.000 I used to be like, that's a bucket. They gonna 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:48.759 get a foul or a buckety bucket. 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:50.439 I mean to throw it over the town. Tell me 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:51.639 he's gonna let me know what his hand. 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:53.400 He tell me he do this. He wanted to go 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.120 over the top. If not, if he still him throw 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:57.280 it in the middle. I get three assistant game like 1:08:57.320 --> 1:09:03.880 that draft that's the insane for our needs. 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:10.000 I gotta I'm gonna get three assister game off that. 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:14.000 Paul Man to me, I mean, I know you're gonna 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:15.160 go in the Hall of Fame, but he's one the 1:09:15.200 --> 1:09:17.720 most underrated players. So when they had that conversation I 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:21.280 get a little upset about those conversations because he is 1:09:21.360 --> 1:09:23.840 in that conversation. You can take your pick on who 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:26.040 you like that that's not for me to judge or 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:31.120 what you like, but he in that conversation. May national 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:35.600 commercials and the national notoriety sometimes are those guys. But 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:39.360 now he in that conversation without a question, Yeah, you know, 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:41.040 it's like Mellow. You know a lot of sometimes people 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:43.240 don't talk about Mellow and that he and that them 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:45.280 guys in that conversation them killer. 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:49.160 First life killers, like put that ball in the whole 1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:51.080 in different ways. 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:54.599 Like so, I'm like, so I get upset sometimes because 1:09:54.640 --> 1:09:58.479 I know nationally in the in the media gives the 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:01.280 d Ways and you know, the Lebron James and all 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:05.960 those guys the recognition. But I think they appreciate that 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:08.160 more from their peers like you and Jeff, people who 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:10.360 played against them give them their flyers to you know 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:11.080 what I'm saying. 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:11.800 Paul piss Man. 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:14.720 And like the Mellow, I got the most and I 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.720 got to see it day of the day and you 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:17.960 got to go Mellow on the post. 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:20.920 Oh yeah, earlier, I got the early Mellow, Denvil Mellow. 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:25.640 I got that Dallas, that Dallas Mellow photast. 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:29.559 The Raging Bull. I got a four times in China Shop, 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:31.320 Young Mellow. That was wicked. 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:34.720 Yeah, I was how did you prepare for that? 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:35.280 What was that? 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:35.840 Like? Bro? 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:44.400 I mean I had to play Dan Dallas. That was 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:48.800 a game we played. We played zone and that zone 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:51.640 we had Sean Bradley, you know, Sean Bradley. 1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:54.360 Seven six Christian Yeah, he get it that we. 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:57.360 Played to the three zone. So I gotta I gotta wait. 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:01.000 But the league it's crazy playing two three bro. 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:06.840 Sure man, Man, you know that. 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:09.160 You know, Dirk, I love that. 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:11.960 You don't know that, but Dirk one guard them premier 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.000 file and the small forwards, power forward. 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:16.759 You got them like man. I never played. 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:18.680 The sound like. 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:21.320 For sure, Man, I. 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.679 Tell pus quick. I learned how to take a charge 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:26.479 when I went to Miami. I'm like, man, I'm just 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:28.800 put my body in front of somebody. You're telling me 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:31.599 the god Tim dunk and KG back to back. Nah, man, 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:34.439 you can see me some help the front though. I 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.679 learned how to front. That was my and I learned 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:39.040 how to take a charge. That was the best way 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:40.760 to do it. You know, you take a charge. 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:41.479 I think you're playing. 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:48.840 Yeah, what we call it false, but you played, man, 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:50.519 I'm Jeff, you're playing with all the kids. 1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:51.120 What god? 1:11:53.600 --> 1:12:01.320 I know everybody highlights that's a fact. Watch look at this. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:07.280 But you was the era with the point guard might 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:09.880 have been the best position in the league. Wasn't started. 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:12.680 Every we talked about the other day. Every team had 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:14.519 us almost an All Star point guard. 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:17.160 Yeah, I remember that. That was the best position league. Yeah, 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:17.840 he was tough for you. 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:20.680 Yeah, Like you got even guys that people wouldn't even 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.599 think was like like that. You would be like ship, 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.280 you have a nightmare against them, like young Kimball was 1:12:26.320 --> 1:12:29.920 a nightmare. Or like you think who was in Utah 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:33.720 at the time. Darren Williams was in Utah. He was crazy. Yeah, 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:38.080 he was unbelievable. Portland, you had b Roy sometimes running 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:40.240 the point, and then you still have guys like Andre 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:42.680 Miller and all those dudes were still playing point guard too. 1:12:42.760 --> 1:12:43.840 So yeah, you had a tough. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:44.960 Yeah that was crazy. 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:46.960 Yeah I had I thought I had a tough You 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:51.120 had a tough because I had a ticket Tim Tim Duncan, 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:52.839 and you might get a Rashid Wallace. 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:53.519 That's tough. 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:58.320 See what whateb I got? 1:12:58.680 --> 1:13:01.559 I called to see see. I had the best time 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:05.320 against was Philly. He wasn't the same in Philly. He 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:08.240 was really picking popping the Philly. He wasn't really posting 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:12.920 up Philly. But yeah, all, yeah, you had your nights. 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:15.559 It's probably about ten killers at that power forward spot. 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:20.599 I'm gonna say about fifteen point ward fifteen to twenty sleep. 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:21.559 You had to get your sleep. 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:24.200 You play in the era with the best pgs. You 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:25.600 definitely had the best air power for it. 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:29.439 He think about it when I was thinking about position. 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:31.840 But I knew his position because I always said for 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.479 a long time that the point guard position was the 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:37.760 best position in the NBA on night out, night out. Basis, Like, 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:39.519 you got to get your sleep. You got to think 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:42.000 about it every night you got. You might get up 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:43.800 Mike Conley in his prime. 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:46.600 Man, you know what I'm saying, You would be like 1:13:47.200 --> 1:13:49.240 the Griz, Like we played Mike and you're about to 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:51.400 run about and then you might get Rondo the next day, 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:54.840 and that's the worst. You gotta block him out. 1:13:55.120 --> 1:14:00.760 Like yeah, it's still don't know. What would you say 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:02.280 the best position is now? I don't know. 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:06.920 I'm strobably gonna say pg still gotta beg. 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:08.519 It's still a lead point guards all each team, like 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:10.320 you just got We're just talking about whos gonna get 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:12.760 snuff from the All Star Game. He still got Deer 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:15.320 and Fox might not make the All Star average twenty seven. 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:18.160 It's crazy LaMelo averaging thirty. 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:20.160 You see first and fan he gonna get the. 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:23.680 Game what happens is we'll all start now, especially once 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.920 the starters get selected, it's just start going about records. 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:28.040 The coach. 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:32.439 We can't do that, No, I said, the coaches go back. 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:34.240 They who picked, they who pick it. That wouldn't be 1:14:34.320 --> 1:14:36.880 when I pick it to me? All stars a guy 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:40.479 if you ain't talked about and the schememate to stop 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:44.000 you on the board. You know, this is the NBA 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:45.599 nigga right here saying the same thing. 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:50.439 I'm don't care about who wins them. What are you 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:51.320 coming to see me? 1:14:51.760 --> 1:15:03.880 I'm oldest now temptations, So. 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:09.920 Don't ask you a question. So y'all in and d sir, 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:12.320 y'all point guard? 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:18.160 Yeah, yeah, I just love I just loved the unfortunately, yeah, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:19.360 so that's what I'm talking about. 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:21.760 So what this year? But he's still like that though 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.479 he's turn out as far. 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:27.080 But he had a lot of a lot happened to 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:29.560 him in a year and a half. He was contract 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:36.120 All Star team, Olympic team. He gets seventeen at night 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:38.720 right now, told him a basketball I watched the game. 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:42.559 He's seventeen night now he ain't. I mean it's supposed 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:45.280 to be going here and started to come back down. Yeah, 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:47.720 it's been really a little I think he's gonna get 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:49.559 back to it though he just hit a little slump, 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:52.240 a slump a slump. 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:54.240 Well he'll be back. But like you said, East Point Guard, 1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:55.120 you look at jaylen Brusse. 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:56.600 You gotta leave though, he gotta leave it. 1:15:57.280 --> 1:15:58.680 We're about to wrap this ship up. No, we're not 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:01.400 no propaganda deal. 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:07.519 Yeah, we get up out here. He appreciate no, but 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:09.080 we appreciate you. Pull it up man, like we said 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:10.559 a long time come. We appreciate you those support. 1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:14.519 But it was early on, like y'all different, different stuff, man. 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:16.360 We need a good podcasts out here man to talk 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:19.760 about the game the right way and y'all interview real 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:22.120 guys ain't looking for the story. Y'all looking for the 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:24.720 guys that had impacts in the game. So that's great, 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:26.360 but I against other guys that do do it and 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:29.000 chase the chase the numbers. But you guys still bring 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:31.400 a good perspective to us. So in the big space, 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:34.679 this podcast basically doing a good job man, for people 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:38.719 that we actually like. Yeah, it in a different space, 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:40.639 That's why I like it. Your interview will be different 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:41.280 for sure. 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:44.000 Listening we appreciate you pulling up man like share. Subscribe. 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.040 We'll do this again next time. Club twenty