Pardon Me, Mr. Chrisley & Juicy Joe: Reali-TEA Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Hi, rain drops of today's episode of Reality Crime Stories. I am back with my co host, Courtney Parker, who is a true crime expert based on her decades long career. Not only describing for the Law and Order Franchise under the Legiondary Dick Whobb, she has also executive produced and created several true crime shows for different networks from Oxygen to TV one with her production company Lost and Thought Productions.

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Speaker 2: Give it up rain Drops for the Courtney Parker.

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Speaker 1: My co hosts and I are going to dive into the Chris Lees. In addition to Gia Judais, Yes, the daughter of my dear friend Teresa Judais, who wants to get Trump to pardon her dad. But before we get to all of that, I do want to start off talking about as you can hear Courtney in the background lapping because she's like, what is going on, Carlos with not only your housewives, but the reality stars at Trump. Because Courtney, politics and reality are the intersection of pop culture.

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Speaker 3: Well especially with this particular president who was a reality star himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: So in case you've been living under a rock, as you all know, top Chrisly and his wife were parting recently due to the sort of massive work that their daughter, Savanna undertook is speaking with President Trump to get them pardon, So Todd and Julie Chris Lee having pardon. So today we're gonna flip the formata bit rain jobs and give you guys a true crime breakdown regarding the case and crime of the Chris Lies. We're calling today's episode white Collar, White Lives, White.

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Speaker 2: Privilege, question mark.

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Speaker 1: We're discussing everything from what they did, how they got caught, what the courtroom drama looked like, and the wild way they ended up back on the streets living their life of luxury and likely with the cameras not too far behind. And as you know, I'm the king of reality television I can. I'm not gonna say confirm child because everything's allegend. But I know some folks who were there to capture their release and they definitely have.

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Speaker 2: Cams and they face Courtney. We'll get into that too.

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Speaker 1: But look, when it comes to Todd and Julie Chris Lee, they had their picture perfect stuff in life, or so the public thought. From reality show royalty to federal prison inmates. The stars of Christly Knows Best were convicted of their frauding banks out of more than thirty million dollars and hiding their real income excuse me from the irs while flogting a lavish lifestyle home TV. But now they're walking away from that conviction, or at least shaving some serious time off thanks.

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Speaker 2: So pardon from the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: So in this episode Range Drops, we will pull back the curtain of how the chris Lee's put off this fraud in the first place, what really happened the investigation and trial, and why their sensus of reduction has so many people side eyeing the system. And yes, late in the episode, we will get in to Jia Judaice from the Real Housewives of New Jersey and the New Bravos show next jen NYC, which is Courtney's new favorite show. Who was going to follow up Savannah's Footsteps, who was also writing Trump to get her father Joe Judice release, So Courtney, I mean not released pardon. So Corney, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: What is going on? Courtney? As we talk about this case.

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Speaker 3: You know, for me, this isn't just about reality stars that we like and we love. It's really about literally a system that is protecting famous convicted felons of their TV popularity versus a system of criminals that it doesn't protect. We talked about that early on how Trump is pardoning personalities TV personalities, and literally it's overturning convictions of the jury of their actual peers that have found them guilty of these crimes. We're not talking about people who didn't do anything. We're talking about people who went through the federal system, due diligence was done and they were found guilty and sentenced to years behind bars. So this is, you know, a deep dive into does white privilege come into play, does celebrity more so come into play, and really getting into convictions being overturned just because cameras are rolling and dances are watching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get into the timeline of what happened over the thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: Some rain drops listen up.

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Speaker 1: Between twenty twelve and two thy sixteen. These are the crimes and charges allegedly throughout the four year span. While filming these shows, the Chris Lees allegedly secured over thirty million dollars in loans using fabricated documents, false bank statements, inflated income, fake credit reports, and income summaries to secure loans.

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Speaker 3: Thirty million dollars in loans on top of that, like it from the start, you and I both know just from being in reality TV producing these things. When you're vetting these kinds of characters, sometimes the embellishment of their lifestyles is just that it's embellishment. And so for the Chris Lies, very very early on, insiders were saying all wasn't what met the eye, like people were saying, there was an exaggeration of this lavish lifestyle. And so we know the term keeping up with Jones is the Chris Lies were trying to keep up with the Chris Lies and the Joneses by fabricating. According to these alleged crimes, fabricating their income, exaggerating what they have and building it over the span of both Georgia and Tennessee. This lifestyle, this lavish lifestyle, this rich lifestyle that when it was all said and done, just was not true. And like I said, going early on into this, when I talked to producers kind of associated with their rise back in twenty fourteen, they were saying, weren't on the street then was it's exaggerated, like they weren't as wealthy as they were pretending to be, even though we know that they probably acquired a lot of wealth by way of the show.

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Speaker 1: So what has been alleged to I mean, listen, they were convicted, they've since been pardoned, So we're saying allege to everybody, because listen, I know a lawyer. I did attend a few courses at the Epany K. Williams University of Law for the past seven weeks, but you know I'm still learning. So if I say alleged child, that's the reason why. But Courtney is alleged that during the four years twenty twelve to twenty sixteen that they hit income from the IRS using a production company owned in Julie's name to evade paying taxes all to support the life style, and that in twenty nineteen, while they were filming The Chrislies and the spin offs, growing Up Chrisly and was cooking with Julie Chrisly that that's when an investigation was launched when a disgruntled former employee submitted forged financial documents to prosecutors and claimed that the Cup was operating a scheme across scream at that.

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Speaker 2: So talk us about that because.

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Speaker 1: It was a foreign employee who alleged that he also was, you know, allegedly in a intimate relationship with Todd, who is of course married to Julie.

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Speaker 3: Listen, there are there's so many layers to the Chrislies that we've heard that have been alleged and that we know from the process of this crime unfolded, the process of us being able to watch them in their day to day lives, their their rise to fame, as well as seeing how their family operates. So when you have people that are becoming famous in our eyes and in our minds, there has been no secret of their quote unquote open marriage. There have been questions of his sexuality as he's professed his love in maintaining this family they've called Julie. Everything from his beard to his backing to this was all stage for the cameras suite rolling from my I was a fan of the show. I've been a fan of this family because they were like the Southern Kardashians, and so I watched and tuned in just like everyone else. So when these charges that came down, which are serious allegations, and we hear of this whistleblower kind of blowing the cap off of this these alleged crimes. He came with all of his receipts. He came with the fabrications of these documents. He came with, These are the fraudulent bank statements to secure over thirty million dollars in loans. He came with so much receipts that were subsequently and allegedly supported by his daughter, Todd's daughter from a previous marriage, coroborated, allegedly cooborated with with the FBI and the irs when all of this was going down. So they, you know, the stage eight and the cities never, the state never, and the FEDS never look to seek an indictment if they don't have actual facts. And so the whistleblower was just it was. It went beyond disgruntle and went into this is just wrong, this is fabricated, this is fraud.

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Speaker 2: This is insane.

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Speaker 1: Because in August thirteenth and twenty nineteenth, like Cortney said, that's when the Federal Grand Jury in Atlanta indicted Todd and Jilly on twelve counts. Okay, so the twelve counts includes conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, WI You're fraud, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and tax evasion. August fourteenth and twenty nineteen is when Todd and Jilly turned themselves in to the FBI in Atlanta and made their first court appearance in the US District Court the same day, and they pled not guilty. That same day, they were released on a one hundred thousand dollars unsecured bond in order to limit travel and avoid contact with witnesses. So the thing is this, when it comes to the million dollar question, right, reality stars launting a certain lifestyle on the show and possibly allegedly with holding money to perpetuate this lifestyle. What are your thoughts in terms of buying into the fact that is it.

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Speaker 2: The reality star who fills the need to keep up with the Jones.

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Speaker 1: Is is it the audience desired to see more of a wealthy lifestyle that makes these people make these decisions and coordiny?

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Speaker 2: Based on what I read, tell me this is you or not. Allegedly these.

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Speaker 1: Tax invasions did not occur until.

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Speaker 2: They were on the show. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: No? Well, and see from my research and what I've been reading, there was a case. This all started on once they started filming, So it's far season right, the first season the Feds were building a case. It wasn't until twenty nineteen that there were actual facts to support this bank fraud. This fraud, this thirty because you have to understand it's going to take a moment to accumulate thirty million dollars worth of bank fraud. They deep a fraud it several banks over a period of time the show. If you're using your production company to kind of hide money to showcase that hey, we've got these contracts, because again it was based off of false bank statements, So this was an accumulation of time, This was accumulation of documents. I did as much of a deep dive as possible to see if the alleged employee was a producer worked for the chris Lees directly somehow he had access to when I do realize it was a I did find out that it was a mail had access to these documents in order to submit them to both the IRS and the FBI. So this was over a period of time. It looks to me as more wealth. The more wealth they acquired, the more fame they acquired, the more dirt they were doing to secure these to secure these finances to fund this lifestyle, which doesn't really make sense, Carlos, because the more famous they became, the more endorsements they had, the more spinoffs that they had, and the more opportunity. But it really does go to show you that no matter how much money you have, people in certain positions always want more. And I think it was the greed that inevitably got them super caught up.

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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. So during the trial, obviously the Colvin was a parent doing this, which led to some delays and yeah, but the trial did begin in May of twenty two, so in federal court in Atlanta, the trial opens up a prosecutors laying out the scheme in detail, forge baked statements, I'm sorry forges, bing records, fake credit scodes, and secret emails. Some of the evidence included whistleblower documents, emails from top requesting falsify financial info, win his testimony with former staffers. The defense tried to argue that the chris Leies were misled by the accountant.

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Speaker 2: The jury wasn't buying it.

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Speaker 1: June seventh of twenty twenty two is when Courtney they were found guilty on allcounts, all counts, after three weeks of testimony. The jury finds both Time and Julie guilty. Shock public milkdown. Savannah went on social media to defend her parents. The sentencing was delayed between October and November twenty twenty two. Again, some of this delay was COVID related. On November twenty first of twenty twenty two, that's when Todd was sentenced to twelve years in prison plus sixteen months probation. Julie was sentenced to seven years in prison plus sixteen months probation.

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Speaker 2: Judge Eleanor Ross.

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Speaker 1: Called it a deliberate, long running scheme and emphasized the lack of remorse right.

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Speaker 3: Because immediately when they were charged. Todd himself went on the defense. Julie supported the defense in saying that they blamed the other person. They blamed the whistleblower, they blamed Todd publicly kind of blamed his daughter from a previous marriage, Lindsey chris Lee. But no matter what, there was a lot of evidence. They still could never give way to or explain the emails that came from Todd saying Hey, falsify these documents. This is what I'm up to. And they had bank statements, the actual bank statements versus the bank statements that were submitted for these loans, so they had them on that. Their defense, however, was very crafty in delaying this. Now. No one knew in twenty nineteen that COVID was right around the corner. But part of their strategy was to use this to delay, delay, delay, and during the delay, and I wanted to get your take on this, the cameras were still rolling. We didn't get the illustrious Purp walk. We didn't get to see necessarily them interply, them going back and forth to court. So although we didn't get to see that play out on camera, what we did get to see is headlines their reaction to the things that were happening around them, while USA will silently just keep continuing to renew them. Because keep in mind, they've been building their case since twenty sixteen. They actually were indicted in twenty nineteen, the trial happened. We have now we're in from twenty twelve or twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, we've had seven seasons of the Presleys before they actually go to jail to start their sentence. They have Finoffs, grown up Presley. They Julie have the cook you know, a cooking show. So they have all of these things and they're interacting with society as if nothing happened. They're avoiding these headlines. The headlines are actually helping them because it's extending their popularity. And all the while we're like, with the cameras rolling, did that feed the beast or did it help protect them or set them up for these potential pardons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that leads me to this because you know they were sentenced November twenty first of twenty twenty two. January seventeenth of twenty twenty three is when they reported to prison. Tod began his sentencing at Federal prison Camp Penscola and Florida. Julie reported to Federal Medical Center in Lexington, Kentucky. The show stops production. They were separated. They also tried to do an appeal. June twenty first, twenty twenty four, the Eleventh Circlet upheld the Christmas convictions, but sent Julie's case back for resentencing, reaffirming her seven year sentence.

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Speaker 3: But being crazy, urge Carlos, because an appeals process and not one but two jury said guilty on all accounts.

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Speaker 2: Which is fascinating. So Raine jobs.

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Speaker 1: They did appeal their convictions, come sorry their convictions twice, like Fortny said, the jury said, nope, we believe you.

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Speaker 2: Gods are still guilty.

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Speaker 1: However, May twenty seventh to the twenty eighth of twenty twenty five, President Trump granted full pardons to both Todd and Julie, Chris Lee calling Savannah personally during an old office call announcing the clemency. They were released from prison just hours later, a million while the cams are rolling, allegedly, but do you think this is a case of white privilege? Do you think this is a case of the rich and famous people getting off based on you being.

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Speaker 2: The true crime expert, what are your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: Listen, nothing surprises me as producers, as a true crime producer, Listen, nothing surprises me. It becomes sad because you have to see it from both sides. In this case, there's not a victim. There wasn't a murder. The the problem if we were gonna just do this act per act, per act, is they defrauded banks, and so inevitably our taxpayer dollars pay for that. We suffer for that. Tax payers suffer for that when you have these lengthy trials. What people really don't realize is we pay for that, the United States government, We the people inevitably pay for it. So when you have someone who is a jury of their peers, not ours, not our opinions, a jury of their peers found them guilty on all twelve counts, not once, not twice. I do think they're celebrity, and I do think it does not hurt that they're white. But beyond just a race thing, it becomes a crime thing. We're also talking about a white collar crime. We're talking about crimes that deal with banks, fraud, and money, and we're talking about a president who is also a convicted Fellain for similar things, pardoning these personalities based off of his opinion affair versus our our actual facts of deep process. So for me, I wonder, like so many critics, did what she had to do, what Savannah had to do to secure this. You're always thinking of, you know, did you promise you're firstborn? Like what did you have to give up in order to allow your parents to be set free?

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Speaker 2: And then but this is not to cut you off, but this was so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: President Trump in his first term also pardon a few convictions for Kim Kardashian, who was on the.

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Speaker 2: Case trying to release.

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Speaker 1: A few African American individuals who she felt were wrongly convicted or had a very tough sentencing and she wanted to roll it back. There's an infamous picture of Kimberly Noel Kardashian at the Oval office. Cordy said it behind Trump. She never declared her association politically, whether she's the Democrat Republican, But a lot of people said, if Kim Kardashian is thanking the president for releasing these wrongfully convicted individuals, it's.

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Speaker 2: Good pr Now. Savannah chris Ley, the Christie's at one point in time had the number one show in the world.

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Speaker 1: So again, is it a case of this is great pr for the president because if Diddy gets sentenced for a lot of years, is did he somebody that will look at Kimberly Kardashian, the Chris Lees and say, Trump is the president of celebrities who he can help pardon in order for us to be you know, freed, and for him to have some support. Let's be clear, President Trump has a plan after his four years are up, and I do believe a lot of people listen, may have to owe him favors.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, listen. That's why we haven't seen so much stuff come out in politics right now like they've I'm watching everyone react to the Epstein files that we knew existed, and now they're saying, oh, nothing exists. He was supposed to be listed in them. Oh now he's not listed in him. He's not listed in them at all. But when we talk about privilege, and we have to talk privilege and popularity go hand in hand. Those people who were up for appeal that Kim Kardashian advocated for, it was based their releases were contingent on her popularity, not just their case, it took her advocating for them, buying somewhat possible favors to get those releases. Regardless of those releases happened for black people, they still happened by way of her privilege and her being able to have the ear of this popular popularity contest driven president. So when we look at the case of Savannah advocating for her parents' clemency, she was outright with her support of President Trump. Was walking around at the RNC Republican National Convention wearing the hat big advocate for I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get my parents free even though they were guilty. Now Todd and Julie remain you know, they say they pled, not guilty, but they were found guilty twice. So there becomes the bigger question that I have and that I base so much of my opinion, not just on the facts, but my opinion on is it fair when you have been rightfully convicted and found guilty to be set free due to your popularity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's a fair question based upon the fact that, you know, one of the things that the Chrisly's case has shown us is the fact of love. They play their inmm syst from day one. They never wavered from it, ever wavered from it. Some people do feel, meaning celebrities, that being famous has a lot of perps, but in the court of law you are made an example out of Teresa Judais was sentenced for a year in prison due to something her husband did, but because she signed documents that her husband put in front of.

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Speaker 2: Her face, she got a year.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people felt everybody, all the legal experts said that was super hard. They thought she would get probation because no evidence showed that Teresa actively knew what.

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Speaker 2: Was going on and was helped orchestrating it.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people do feel Courtney in their defense, that if you are a celebrity in the court of law, you will be used as an example, which is why Teresa's daughter, Jia Judais, who posted on her Instagram page recently that she was writing a letter to President Trump in order for her father to be pardoned so that he's able Courtney to come back to the United States, right, So go.

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Speaker 3: Ahead, And I think that is a very different thing than what we're seeing with the Kreslies, primarily because they served the time that was given to them. The difference between Teresa and Joe versus Todd and Julie is they served their time, they were found guilty. They you know, they did the They did the time, and they're owning their crime. Teresa, you know, even though she felt like and the most of the public, including myself, felt like, she shouldn't have gotten such a harsh uh what we call the Martha Stewart treatment year, she did it. She did it. She returned to grace from she returned from her fall of grace, and now she is actively trying to make a better way the crest. Listen, I think it's ideal for Gia to just try to get her father back into the USA, to see him, to have a relationship. He doesn't have just one daughter, he has they have four daughters together. So that is an ask that if this popular president would pardon, would be a worthy pardon because again, they they didn't plead not guilty. They own the crimes that they did, and he was he was sent away and he has ties not just financial ties to the United States, he has family ties to the United States. Sonna, It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. The bigger question and concern though, is what tone we're setting. But these reality stars that are actually guilty of these crimes to now get slapped on the wrist and able to keep their wealth and fortune. Todd was recently quoted in saying, I'm not apologizing for money I earned when two sets of jurors say, no, you were, those emails came from you. Your accountant didn't mislead you. The whistleblower that may have allegedly included his daughter all said these things occurred, and now you're backshop and living your life of luxury as if this didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to Jia.

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Speaker 1: So just so I'm able to explain to the range jobs what happened. As you all know, Joe Judas, Teresa judai Sis ex husband was deported in twenty nineteen after spending forty one months behind bars for mail while you're a bankruptcy fraud. Jia with her Instagram she's twenty four years old, she shared a passionate plea to President Trump asking for him to bring her dad home.

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Speaker 2: Courtney.

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Speaker 1: She said, I quote, my name is Jia judaics I'm the daughter of Joe Judas, and today I'm using my voice for something deeply personal, not just as a public figure, but as a daughter who deeply who.

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Speaker 2: Deeply misses her dad.

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Speaker 1: Jia said her family has lived in an emotional limbo ever since her father's deportation, and adding Courtney and I quote, no matter how strong we try to be, the absence of a father, of a parent is something that never stops hurting. She ben Courtney shows herself with the envelope that she sent to the White House. She addressed it, hashtaged it because she's a millennial child, hashtag bring Joe home, and.

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Speaker 2: She in Coortney.

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Speaker 1: She did say watching the Christly family receive a second chance inspired me.

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Speaker 2: It showed me that.

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Speaker 1: People can be forgiven, that families can be restored, and that sometimes the justice system.

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Speaker 2: Has room for grace.

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Speaker 1: Does Joe Judi's Courtney Parker deserve to come to the United States.

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Speaker 2: And be pardoned?

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Speaker 3: I do now Again, I do feel what her request is because again he did his time. They and Teresa did her time. We're not talking about people who wanted, who were looking for a way out. They actually did their time. He's looking for a second chance. I don't personally feel the Kresleys are given getting a second chance. I believe they're getting a slap on the wrist because the crime that they committed and were found guilty again now once but twice, they didn't serve even half of the length of the time that they actually got for those twelve counts. Joe served his time and then was deported. He has four daughters now living in the United States, no matter if they're famous or not. Like she said, she has been working. She's one of the stars of this new show. She shouldn't be punished from not being able to see her That, plus the other kids not being able to see their father when they want to. They can always go to Italy to visit him, but it's not the same. So he shouldn't be completely ostracized from the United States and out of his girl's life for things that he has done, that he served his time for and is building a better life where he is now. I do think that if any pardons are to be had, it should be for Joe. So I'm on a gsteam saying hashtag free her Daddy Joe. Joe, I'm I have to take a step back and just say it. I'm cautious of how society is going. If if fame is actually fair. Who else is going to get slaps on the wrist and not be held accountable for the things that they do, and we as reality show producers capitalizing off of that. I know it makes for great storyline. I'm assuming quickly that they will resume shooting. We're going to follow the Kresleyes uh as with this post conviction and since again he shows to do to this day no remorse. He was doing an interview I believe with people where he said where he talked very openly about his own privilege and how people were in there. He didn't he wasn't doing, you know, the the work there because he was he refused to get paid uh slave wagers. He just was like I'm better than this and and no. And now that I'm out, he went shopping. They got their roots done. I'm like, come on, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not the high lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: It's like, come on, So what is that saying as society? And what does that say about popularity? Even with the respect to our industry of reality TV? Like what do we do the cameras want to follow they should be following because we want to know as audience members, but as as just a consciousness of accountability. Do you believe that production should take a stand or should production just be fair to the stories unfolding at hand.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well you know how I feel. I'm a journalist, hey Porsche, and.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Similar to you, studied communication journalism in college. I I believe in the ethics of journalism, which is your personal opinion does not impact.

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Speaker 2: The story how you feel.

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Speaker 1: Barbara Walters interviewed so many people from mass murderers, the Menandez brothers, dignitaries of other nations who have done some horrible things.

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Speaker 2: She never imposed her personal opinion. She got the story.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that when it comes to reality television my granted, with that being.

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Speaker 2: Said, there are some elements of like.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, I also do not believe at all that people should be on camera spewing hate, racism, sexism.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in that at all. So I want to make that very clear too.

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Speaker 1: In this case of the chrislies being free, Listen, I understand as producer, you're getting the story. Just like Barbara Walters made sure she got the exclusive interview in prison Courtney with the Menindaz brothers.

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Speaker 2: She wanted the exclusive and cameras followed, is it.

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Speaker 1: Getting alleged murderers promotion or are you or as a media you're just telling the story. I'll follow one of those guidelines, which is why I was definitely front and center when Teresa was released from prison and the cameras captured the moment she walked in the house and saw her daughters, and there was not a dry eye in the room.

00:41:43
Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing.

00:41:44
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like, listen, there's no one size fit all approach for any of these situations. But I definitely think fundamentally you have to look at the situation and see if it's an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: One more example would.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: Be I'm gonna butcher Butcher the name, but Courtney is also somebody who watches lots of Lifetime in addition to.

00:42:16
Speaker 2: Documentary movies about people's lives.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: Is the woman who killed her mother because she was drugged into thinking she was handicapped.

00:42:27
Speaker 2: And I've got her name.

00:42:30
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: I'm not on a second and she had a reality show but she got released right Well.

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Speaker 3: Listen, they're saying, Todd and Julie are already projecting their future plans. The couple intends to launch a new lifetime docuseries and convert a mansion into a hotel in South Carolina so cameras will be watching. My concern is i'mse Gypsy Rose. My concern like you, as a producer, I think everybody is entitled to tell their story. As a person, I do wonder about the message and messages we're sending when someone's privilege is front and center and it's allowing certain things to take precedence over real accountability for crimes actually committed. In Jia's case, again, we saw them go through everything they were that was handed to them, from the sentencing to the deportation to the reconciliation. Because there's still a lot of work that has to be done to capture that in real time. Was a mon to see this unfold, and trust me, I know both you and I both will be watching to see it. But they're also going to capitalize on the moment. And really there's the gratitude from this administration from the Presley family to the reward. I kind of worry about the reward of these kind of gardents. But again, I'll be watching, I'll be watching.

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Speaker 2: You can already.

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Speaker 3: See this is a massive storyline if you're going to convert a mansion, you're going to deflect and then distract us with this show where Todd is going to be Todd, Julie is going to be Julie, and the kids are going to be the kids. The reunion, I don't know if I's USA or now which is peacock. NBC is going to redo or renew or bring back the show we'll all be watching. Do I think they deserve a second chance. Perhaps everybody deserves the second chance. I just wish from a legal standpoint, they would have been held to greater accountability before we all just sit here and celebrate their release.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred. Since so they have been released.

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Speaker 1: We will see when the show will be released, and listen. Gia Judais got the post to stamp Child and went to the local mailbox and.

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Speaker 2: She sent it off this out right welcome out.

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Speaker 2: After help me shall see what happens?

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Speaker 1: And has more things unfold, Courtney Parker and I will be back to give you guys more So, thank you for another great episode of our weekly episode Reality Crimes Stories with court Meey Parker.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Carlos, thank you, rain Drops.

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