Club 520 x Hennessy -Shawn Marion tells Jeff Teague stories of LeBron James, winning title with Dirk Nowitzki

The volume. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.840 For Jeft DJ Wells. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.319 Clap it up for DJ Wells, Bishop b Hening and 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.400 NBA champion Dallas Mavericks legend the Matrix Sean Marry and 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:19.640 clap it up for him. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:25.200 Let's go, Hey and boy, you and tru like that. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.000 You need to come on this. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:31.800 Podcast going crazy. He started sweating after the turn up. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.040 You know what it is Club five twenty week in 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:35.200 Dallas with it this weekend? 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.400 How y'all wore man. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.160 Were from me Tonapolis, Indiana's three one seven day around 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.880 our way we grabbed you know what I'm saying. Happy 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.040 to be out here with y'all, cele braton doing it 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.480 in with hen see Arena Walmo again. But like I said, 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.879 it's Club five twenty podcast. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:49.360 I'm the host. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.760 My name is DJ Wells. We got a legend to 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.320 my left. Special guests. You're gonna introduce my man's last 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.360 ones to my far left. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.560 My dog Bishop be hearing out the Burley's green leaf. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:03.040 How you are nasty? Nasty? What's up? Dallas wasn't near 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.800 every bad Let's go, yeah, a little matrix. I know 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:08.200 what I'm saying. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.040 I know your full game crazy, but have you ever 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.959 seen the black forces with the white laces. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.400 That's how he was in Indianapolis. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.120 That's how he wouldn't you know. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.559 No, I ain't never seen those, but it's they cleaned all. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.480 Like out the gate now is clean. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.840 Yeah, hey, you know the black air forms went nasty. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:30.039 But you know everybody that's penitentiary chances right here, Hey, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:31.800 criminal Bob, he. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.319 Might not rob you, but he might scam you with 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.440 the white las You know what I'm saying, My man, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:35.920 my bad. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.800 But to my right, my dog, young young team, how 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:39.440 you would man? 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.240 And I'm cooling bro in Dallas has been a good time. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.480 The Bobs was right. Hennessy got me right, y'all know 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.720 how I get when I get that Hennessy, I get 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.680 to sweat a little bit about bag of food in here. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.600 I don't do too much trying to renew this contract. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.160 But to my left, we got a legend, legend, legend legend. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.520 Y'all don't even notice. He's from the Midwest though, Yeah, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.920 from the Midwest. But he made big noise down here 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:03.680 in the city Dallas. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.960 Put a banner up. We got the matrix shine Mary 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.079 in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.200 Yeah, I'm excited because I know y'all got some shit 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:13.520 for me. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.600 Oh yeah, we definitely got a lot to talk about it. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.000 But first, you know what I'm saying, we always talked 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.799 with the fullwear game. People who don't know this is 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.960 sleep but you're a legend, especially with the footwear game 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.200 and the Jordan pees. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.400 How did that come about? 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.240 So look, you know it's an interesting story. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.600 So everybody me calling me about them damn shoes too 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.520 though that Joe was like I need a pair of those, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.480 and everybody, I'm like, yo, I didn't even have a 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.360 pair when everybody was asking me for a pair. Because 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.640 during my uh, I think it's my third year and 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.120 I almost basically became a free agent shoe so like 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.280 I was a shoe hall. So everybody was sending me kicks, 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.320 and uh, I was gonna go with Jordan. A lot 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.679 of people don't know this. I was gonna sign with 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:57.760 Jordan initially, but Jordan's like, tricks, I give you no money. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.480 I was like, what, you would just give me the brand, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.440 you know what I'm saying, the shoes and stuff and 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.799 everything in the Jordan umbrella. But I was like, shit, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.560 if I'm in the Nike I'm getting it anyway, right, 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.920 He's like, yeah, it's I was like, and they gonna 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:10.240 pay me. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.480 So I was like, I'm going there. I'm going Team Nike. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.200 Now I get that shape. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:17.000 Yeah. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:17.920 Yeah. But he made me. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:18.480 He was making me. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.560 He was sending me Jeordians throughout the year when I 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.800 was deciding on what team I want brand I want 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.560 to go with. So he ended up sending me a 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.840 shipment of the PE five's and they got lumped in 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.680 with everything else. And what happened was during that process, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.000 I was getting so many shoes and I was wearing 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.360 I was wearing twelves a lot at the time. So 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.440 they came the customers came in, but I never received 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.960 them because I was wearing a new pair of shoes 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.080 every game. So with so many that came in, they 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.520 got lumped in. And then I was moving around and 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.600 doing so much and went to Nike and they they 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.440 had made me a custom pair of Pees, but PJ. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.320 Tucker got them because he went into the vault. So 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.960 a lot of teams don't people don't notice. A lot 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.560 of teams have a locker room full of just shoes 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.200 and all the guys played through. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.160 Now, typically if you if. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.880 You're with whoever brand you are, they sing you some 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.080 shoes home with you doing the summertime, you know, but 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.960 they always keep a stock for you, you know what 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.160 I'm saying, if you with the long ten year old guy. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.360 So they got lumped in. He went through there rummaging 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.479 and found two pair. Of course he did so, so 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.080 it was even better than that. Though it's fucked up 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.040 because he got him out, so I never got him. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.200 So so now now hold on, I never received them. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.600 But I do have a locker here at my house 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.760 that I haven't really been through all the sneakers, so 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.560 I could have some at the house, but dude, I 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.240 ain't trying to go in that mess right now. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.760 So but I don't have none. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.160 But then now you hit a few pair at the 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.960 facility this summer booker was there working out, went to 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.159 the campus, you know, finishing up his funnel stuff for 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.360 his shoe, and he found a pair in the locker room, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.680 you know, in the Nike locker, and you know, we 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.640 were the same side of shoes. So he grabbed him 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.720 and then he worked out with him and posted to 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.280 send me a video been working out of him in 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.520 LA And then I was like, yo, how you got here? 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.960 And I still ain't got here yet. So then he 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.120 was like okay whatever. So then he was like yo, 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:08.920 of course he wanted me to be in his Nike 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.800 commercials that came out and then end up wearing them 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.599 the night of the Jersey retirement he won. He don't 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.320 even want them twice and then he gave him to 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.000 me because I don't have a pair as I know 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.760 of right now. So that's the only pair I have 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:22.800 that he gave to me because he got him from 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:23.560 Nike this summer. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.280 That's crazy. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.920 I want to ask you, how in the hell did 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.839 you end up at Vincent's university? 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.599 Bro We from Indiana, Trail Blazer's baby all day. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.920 So, so when I was coming out of high school, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.800 right you know, me and my boys talking about yesterday 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.080 and like I didn't pass the ACT score back then. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.200 You remember it was ACT n SAT. So I was 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.640 one point short. I had a GPA, I had like 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.160 a beat. I was always been a smart so I 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.280 just for one point, I missed one big part on 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.279 that test. I was one point short, and I didn't 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.880 want to wait another another another half a year to 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.320 take the test again. So I decided. I was like, 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:00.680 fuck it, I'm I'm want to I need to get 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.000 out of here. I need to go play ball. So 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.560 then I visited Vinceon's now visits in Northwest Mississippi junior colleges, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.560 and I was like, Let'm gonna go. Once I went 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.200 to VU, the campus, it was it was a no brainer, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.520 and the coach was like, yo, whatever you need and 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:17.920 whatever you want you got here. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.240 So locked in and that was. That was two of 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.719 my best years I've ever had. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.640 Playing though, when we did everything and they lived a 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.760 red carpet out for me, it was dope for sure. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.640 We used to go down there and party and I 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.240 used to see your name on the bedroom. I'm like, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:32.520 ain't no fucking way. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.080 Listen, listen part I'm married from thirty eighth. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.520 Gotta be from the ghetto, man. You know this has 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.160 got so much history though, you know, Yeah, legends went 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.080 through there. Bob mcadeal, Eric Williams and Tyrone Nasby, some guys, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.640 lot of guys that played the pro. They had great 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.840 careers there. You know, I think I was the best one, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.440 but you know, by far, it is what it is. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.000 You know, I don't I'm a spacfectual. Guy. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.640 I don't lie me too. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.960 Yeah, come on, it was all conference two years in 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.640 a row. Baby, Oh yeah yeah male. Soon after the 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.240 year as well too, though a lot of studying the 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.680 Vince Hands up. He didn't know about the Vince hands 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.680 parties legendary. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:14.120 Oh they were. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.600 I ain't gonna even lie to. They did some shipped 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.520 there that a lot of the Division one schools don't do. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.320 It was it was some dope walky talkie type ship. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.560 You know, they got looking at. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:24.240 Walking. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.880 They got they got the walking talking here, so they 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:27.760 gotta look out guys. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.120 Man, it was it was late. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:35.000 Tell them about when you went to didy House. Oh shine, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.520 no entertained. That's what other podcast. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.160 We ain't at the cruise. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.440 I was gonna say something. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:47.040 On this chill sorry, Oh my god, they got a 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.400 different walking talking to that party. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:53.200 Don't do that. This is about Mary. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.960 I don't want to after this. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:57.880 Back back. 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:04.600 But obviously you transfer to UNLV. How was that process like? 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.280 Because I know everybody in the world wanted you coming 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.640 out as a ju call American. Obviously the way you played. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.880 You went to the school that really fit the way 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:11.840 you played basketball. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.000 So look, so my dream school was North Carolina. Dude, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.600 I was gonna be a tar Hill. I was like, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.480 that's all I fucked with in MJ Man, you know 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.400 more than I say, so I was. Actually, they had 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.800 one scholarship available and Bob mcadoo's only guy that came 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.040 from North Carolina. They recruited from Jimmy College. So Dean Smith, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.840 that's one guy. Ever, so I was gonna be the 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.520 second guy. Dean Smith told me, henna have a scholarship available. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.600 It's a crazy story too. He had because he had 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.600 one scholarship become available and it's yours if you wanted. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:41.959 My coach came to me was like, Yo, it's yours 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.880 if you want it. I was like, for real, Oh shit, 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.600 I don't say no more, say less. So get through 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.520 the year. Some shit happened or whatever, and I guess 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.800 he ended up getting sick or whatever he had to retire. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.439 So that kind of put that on hold because I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.920 wanted to go play for Dean Smith. You know what 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.920 I'm saying. That's the legend of myth, the all the 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.440 history everything there, So I want to go play with him. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.800 And then it just didn't happened. So I was like Okay, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.560 now I'm not going North Carolina, so now I need 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.280 to go somewhere warm. Beating this dem code. That's so 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.280 in the end, that was a motherfucker being their crib. Yeah, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.440 it was different beasts down there. So I put all 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.719 my energy towards the West Coast. So I was like, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.959 you know, USC was hounding me UNLV. So I went 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.319 and visited both of those places, and I was like, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.480 I felt more comfortable, more at home with the rebels. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:30.719 Man. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.640 And uh, you know my guy, coach Glenn Sippery and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.240 my guy man, it's my guy to this day. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:35.480 Man. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.320 You know, he was like, yo, come down here' gonna 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.440 take care of you. So hey, I went out there and. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.760 What do you mean that? Huh? Oh I got back Okay, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.280 just making sure stop playing that game. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.840 It wasn't legal then, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:52.320 Oh was it Vegas? It was legal. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.080 Everything goes out there. You know the stories you hear 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.400 about the rebels back in the day. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:57.840 With that ship was true. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.160 All that ship with Stacey. Doc had his own business. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.720 Them guys used to walk in the mall. He used 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.439 to give them bags and anything they going. Man, it 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.800 was real that man Vegas is one stop shop. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:07.040 Kid. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.599 Everything goes out there, man, and uh I loved it 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.240 out there. It was one. It was just one, one 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.640 step in phase onto the next one. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:14.920 You should never went to way you should have with 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.960 the U n LV, I'm a chip. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:26.480 You got a legendary Vegas story. We gonna relax for 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.640 the company, y'all. On to the ninety nine NBA draft. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.719 With the night ninety nine draft, I was this man 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.559 going to the league. How was that process? I mean 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.920 it was dream from true. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.679 I think you know, when you when you set out 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.560 to do certain things and being exposed to being around 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.320 guys in the league and stuff like like young games man, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.760 you create the appetite and a lot of people don't 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.160 have a lot of drive. You know, it takes it 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.520 takes a lot of sacrifice and a lot of a 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.640 lot of discipline to be successful at this game. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.000 I don't think people really to. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.840 Understand that, like a lot of people, takes a lot 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.560 of things for granted, you know, I've been truly blessed 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.640 to play this game a long time and give it. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.920 I think what the identity I was a big part 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.400 of what the identity of the league is right now, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.280 if you know anything about basketball. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:11.599 That's that's just is what it is. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.920 First, got to go small to make a team, transition 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.360 to playing gods out of normal positions. So well, but 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.920 my mindset, it's totally. Man, I'm a a dog, you know. Uh, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.120 you know one of the things I prided myself though. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.600 When I step on that floor, you just gonna get 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.040 it every every auncing energy and every effort you can 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.200 possibly get from me. And if you don't anything about 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.400 the game, you know I did that. I'm retired. I 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.559 can do what the hell they put the plan in 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.120 front of her. I'm grown, I'm retired. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:38.400 Ship. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:43.680 They're resourceful, man, I enjoy life, creative, I enjoyment. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:44.880 You rejoin retirement right now. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.600 Clout with these dudes every day. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.959 Man, it's fun man, and I get to go on 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.720 Hennessy tours and enjoy new people and experious new things. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:54.360 Is all good. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.240 No, I'm serious, Like when I when I when I 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.839 ask that question, I mean like you're saying that. But 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.199 like a lot of people don't enjoy it. Like the 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.720 transition for most guys, it's harder than you think. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:05.719 No, it was. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.520 The first week was hard, and then after week two 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.000 we did a podcast, I was straight, oh, okay, okay, 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.200 got something to feel that void already. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:13.480 Yep. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.280 No, But like you, I'm the vice president of Retired 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.599 Player Association, So I'm gonna shout out to all my 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.360 OG's that paid the way for us, because I think 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.240 they don't get enough attention and enough flowers because we 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.200 don't talk about them. I know, everybody is more call 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.360 up and the more current and what's going on right 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.640 now with the current guys and shit, but the guys 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.400 that lay that foundation for us, they don't get their flowers, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.599 and they deserve it hands down. Like every time I 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.599 see the OG I'm all like, thank you, thank you, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.960 thank you, And like, man, you don't realize the sacrifice 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.240 they did for us to make it how easy and 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.040 ours was kind of easy. They really got it easy now, Like, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.280 can you imagine. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:48.520 Playing right now? 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:48.880 Dude? 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.679 Is the ship that they got right now? Dude, I'm 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.760 playing twenty five years easy. Best. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.000 I enjoyed talking to the retired players or older players 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.600 because we play how much to them, you know, let 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.920 them know that we appreciate and that's why we happy. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.880 Is hell to have you on the podcast, Like when 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.600 we see you in the comments, we all like, damn, 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.200 you see John Mary Matrix on there, so we all excited, bro, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.360 because we really want to show y'all love, so we 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:10.839 try to get more retired players. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.480 The older players appreciate that doing with the current players, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:14.720 but it was a lot more fun. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.760 I respect that, man. I appreciate it. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:16.960 Man. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:18.560 It's man. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.000 Especially, like you said, like y'all Phoenix team you especially 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.880 like changed the way basketball was playing that time period 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.959 because I was the first really team to kind of 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.360 go small ball, which I really wasn't small, but obviously 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.160 you playing a big position, you could rebound, you could 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:33.640 do everything. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.080 But it made everybody else adjusted that and especially. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.959 When y'all had it, when y'all had cute Rich, when 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.719 y'all had young Joe John come on, man. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.719 So a lot of people forget that, you know, when 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.839 they talk about seven seconds or less and they talk 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.160 about the team, they don't even that that first year 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.640 it was fucking it was crazy. And but like when 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.760 everybody's referencing, I asked him, what year are you talking 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.480 about though, because you have to defund it because that 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.560 year that we only played together one year that started 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.000 in five, So there's so much to go into that, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.200 and there's so many conversations, and I know the media 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.760 gray at creating these narratives and everybody soak it up 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.920 and eat it up, like man, But it was there's 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.079 so much other shit going behind the scenes and so 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.920 many feelings you have in locker room that came on 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.079 me to really truly express and understand it, you know, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.240 especially when you got that mindset of what you're trying 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:19.360 to accomplish. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.840 It and you see it there, you know, I think, uh, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:21.880 you know, uh. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.360 Mental toughness is one of the things that I think 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.440 a lot of a lot of guys in this league 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.280 right now don't have right now. Like no, listen, we 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.040 got some telling of guys in the NBA right now, 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.640 and I love the diversity, and I love the magnitude 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.080 of some of these guys are the things that they've 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:38.680 been able to do on the floor. But man, this 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.720 right here, like that mental toughness to fight through certain 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.280 certain things from that court at that time. Man, you 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.320 can see when mental fatigue is a big part of 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.560 the game, that people just automatically give in. And that's 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.560 the one thing I loved about all the older guys, man, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.360 you know, use whether they were scoring or not, you 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.200 just gonna get their hundred percent effort. Though they knew 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.320 when they stepped in that court when people played me, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.320 they knew then when they hit to lace their motherfucking 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:01.800 shoes up. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.400 Now they gonna get ran to the fucking gym. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.320 And it was just that I was gonnabarrass your ass 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.080 out here, whether it be just stopping you or I'm 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.400 gonna give you thirty points the other end. So that's 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.720 the thing that that's the mentality I have because I 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.720 you know, I just feel like, like, why are you 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:15.320 not competing? 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:16.160 Though? And I see it. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.200 That's why that'st of the reason I can't coach. I 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.080 know when motherfuckers ain't playing hard, Like I'm coming straight 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.360 at your heart though, and it sucks, it eats at me. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.280 I'm like, yo, Dale, you can play harder than that. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.560 We got so many versatile and dynamic players in this 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.400 league and in the game, and it's instead of getting there, 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.480 it's getting younger and younger. Of course, but like, man, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.080 what happened to just like yo, I'm locking your ass 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.320 up there. We can we can be boys and drink afterwards, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:41.840 but we get on this court, you ain't. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.440 You're my enemy. Right now. It ain't gonna be no 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.600 laughing and joke. I'm gonna bust your motherfucking ass. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.400 Do you feel like social media and like players being 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.840 so involved with their brands off the court plays a 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:53.600 big deal into that. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.520 So personally, listen, sometimes I feel like some of the guys. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.560 I'm not saying all the guys. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.200 There are some, definitely some great players in the NBA 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.760 that love and pride themselves in this game and dedicate themselves, 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.480 but it's a lot of guys who think about social 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.120 media first in the game and everything else come letter. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.720 That's real, like their approaches for social media versus the game, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.240 wrapping to your love and your passion for the game 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.320 first and then everything else comes later. That's when you 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.680 see it, and you see the certain guys I ain't listen, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.760 I'm not telling you something that's not obvious. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.560 Is right in your face. It's up there everybody else 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.480 to choose they want to see that. Now that's real? 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.760 Is that Phoenix Sun's team though, that y'all that you 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.800 played one year with the most talented team you think 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.400 you ever played on, because. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.000 Y'all had a motherfucking we was We was tough, but man, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.880 you remember I played them twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Uh 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:51.440 it was Kyrie Bron j R. Smith, Amon Shepherd, Kevin Love, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:54.840 I mean, Mike Miller. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.920 Uh, Brendan Haywood. We had we had a will live matrix. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.320 I'm taking that Phoenix team over that squad. So I'm 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.040 telling you the depth though. I'm on both teams, so 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.320 I understand that show. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:14.240 Ain't I'm gonna take that Cass team and Bron, Bro, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:15.080 what were you talking about? 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.000 So you know what though? 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.520 If I'm on that team though, and. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.239 It depends on if I'm starting or not, if I'm 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.040 if I'm in my role transitioning out, okay, yeah, but 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.679 if I'm playing, so. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.480 You locked up, Bron, that's how you kind of. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.000 I'm on a team though, so no, no, no, So 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.440 I'm on that So if I'm if I'm starting, I 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.440 started to season off that you're starting to to guard, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.840 which is crazy, but I love it, I respect it. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:45.639 I can do it all. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.639 No, but if I'm starting on that team, uh, that 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.480 that Cleveland team. But if I'm not starting, doing on 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.600 my way out? Oh, Phoenix were rocking, We're kicking, were 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:58.160 coming hard. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:17:59.359 I'm hard. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.160 I want to get off there. I want to ask 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.399 you one question, bro. Growing up, when I was little, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.359 I used to shoot from down here. How the hell 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.120 did your ship stay there? You became grown first of all, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:18.280 ain't that long? You should get out of pocket, get 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.880 on this head. You know what I'm saying. I used 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.680 to be like on the game and never time your shot. Hey, 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.359 it's cool, broy, you made it. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:28.560 Bro. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.000 Hey, so let me ask you a question. Though they 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.680 need two people in the league to shoot the same 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.120 I don't know. No, no, you don't. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:36.640 I don't. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.400 So so it's funny because I used to like when 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.400 I played though you know what, you know, what's really 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.359 really really fucked. When I played, this is really messed up. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.760 They used to pay more attention to my shot than 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.360 when I was doing the floor You and him talking 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.240 about no, no, no, nobody's no job morants to anybody. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.879 Even so, even look at look at the Splash brothers. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.520 The best shooter is the NBA history right now, don't 0:18:58.520 --> 0:18:59.359 they don't shoot nowhere? 0:18:59.440 --> 0:18:59.480 Like? 0:18:59.560 --> 0:18:59.800 Do they? 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:00.159 No? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.320 Not even close. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.840 So so with that being said, though, when I was like, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.280 when I was playing, this is why a lot of times, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.359 a lot of guys they feel like it could because 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.800 everybody was labeling me underrated my whole career. I was 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.000 underrated town all this other stuff, and it got to 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:16.399 the point where it was come of eating up and 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.639 I'm like, why am I underrated? I'm doing shit out 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.720 here at six seven? That most seven for this is 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.879 not doing in the league. You ain't getting twenty and 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.840 ten and two blocks and two stills. He's not doing it, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.040 you know. So so so so when I sit here 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.080 and you asked me that question, I was like, are 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.000 you trying to defer that to something, get someone else 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.200 the credit or verse not give me my flowers or no, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.280 no no, we got to figure out no, so doing 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:44.400 that that's what they did, you kid. I'm talking about. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.040 The form is what it is. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:46.800 That's what I'm saying. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.560 I just know what you're saying. Is it like when 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.480 you were younger, you just always. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.120 Shot because no, dude, I just have a lower arts 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.440 and everybody else she was two in. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.160 I mean she was one in, just like everybody else. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.480 That's all good. But we knew you was a killer. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:58.520 I know you a killer. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.400 I obviously played against you, been a fan for years, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.600 but I was used to just think like damn, because 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.480 you know you you mimic people younger, dude, You mimic people. 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.960 And I used to just wonder, like, then, what was that, Like, 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.119 would you mimic somebody that was when you were younger? 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:15.040 How did it come about? 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.440 No, man, I broke my wrists and fingers everything, but like, no, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:19.720 it's just natural, dude. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.680 Then I just kept busting everybody ass with it. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.359 Now you're a part of some crazy NBA moments on 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.560 those two people prove. First, we're gonna start with that 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.200 three All Star game, man, one of the most orgonic 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:32.280 All Star games. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:32.600 Of all time. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.680 Obviously the West got that win, but how was it 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.600 to just be in that environment because that was a 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.280 historic moment for the NBA, especially with Jordan's last All 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:39.840 Star games. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:41.679 Just to be in that moment and to actually get 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:42.440 to play in that moment. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.320 So I used to work when I was in Vincent's 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.800 I used to work Jordan camp, so so I was 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.600 in area. We got to it with some footage that 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.200 went viral last couple of years during during the COVID 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.240 of that pick up run like he had. He had 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.159 some amazing pick up runs during his camp. A lot 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.640 of people don't know that you know what I'm saying. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.800 And when I tell you, uh, like you you will 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.840 she was there. You wish she was there. Everybody who 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.639 went there, who went to his camp came from like 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.960 either University of Arizona at the time, North Carolina. Uh, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.200 the Dukes, the big the big time guys who you 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:15.800 know what I'm saying. They were looking forward to trying 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.200 to be you know, said Jordan or Team Nike and stuff. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.840 So it was it was truly special. But man, you 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:26.000 know m J Man, Come on, man, we call him 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.439 Black Jesus Baby. You give the best of Jordan at 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.520 the runs. No, No, A couple of times I was 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.920 on his team, but you know we are like it's 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:35.320 a couple of Hollis and there everybody. But you know, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:40.040 Jordan takes that shit serious. It Look when he played 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.760 pick up dude, he came, We worked out. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:41.959 Man. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.000 It wasn't like we come in the ball were come 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.560 to work. We're not coming here just to create some content, 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.840 you know, to make everybody look good. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:49.239 Man. 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.919 The ship man, you go on these gyms right now, 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:53.720 you go back and closed gyms and see the runs 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.840 that we had to you'd be like, what the hell, 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.680 what were doing this? Ain't even nowhere near with the 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.960 man to the competition that these guys are playing in 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.320 there we do. It was fucking war out there, like 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.040 regular season or not. Dude, when we're working out, were 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:07.480 working out. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.399 Yeah, I can tell by y'all all Star games speaking 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.080 like that start game, y'all playing so so man. We 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.760 was watching the highlights the other day before we prepared 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:17.240 for this and like to see how hard y'all was 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:18.280 playing compared to this year. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.960 I was all over him in their last shot, and like, listen, 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.960 there's such things great defense, but such thing is better offense. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.760 I win them situations though, man, Like he literally barely 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.520 got that off of my fingers. I was really trying 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.440 to his ass up. And you know we still want 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.880 Kobe got fouled by jam Hill Neill next point. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:38.240 Kobe would trying to lose. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:38.600 Nah. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.080 I respect them, No, we do. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.600 This is for real, like Papa's like, Yo, Matrix, go 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.520 get them man, man, Yeah, like. 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.919 You like they don't have. They had no sympathy, bro. 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.120 He going out let go out on top? 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.719 Man, No, no, because he wouldn't let y'all go out 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:55.080 on top. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.800 He probably wouldn't want to know what they even The 0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.320 best part of that weekend though, you know the best 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.000 part of that weekend Morole Carey singing the national. 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.280 Anthem that that Jordan dress. Talk about it, mercy. I 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:07.600 wish she's singing hero to me. 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:10.760 Boy. 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.880 I'll tell you right now, shock boy, it's a little 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:16.719 shaky and everything. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:24.439 You're crazy. 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.560 But next moment, man, all four Olympics. Man, that team 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.320 that I had a lot of talent. 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.000 Obviously we know that out come with that, but how 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.359 was that entire experience? You know, I represent the country 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.080 and get to play with people in the lead that 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:37.320 you play and represent the country with. 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.639 So you know that was that was That was a 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.680 crazy year. There's a lot of ship that went on 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.800 a whole lot before we even left the country. 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:46.000 Here. 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:47.520 Man, it was a ship show. 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.920 Oh man, it's it's a lot of stuff and a 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:52.600 lot of stuff, a lot of stories that I came 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.240 out about certain things, and that ship was cap like, 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:56.800 that's the one thing I don't believe. I ain't gonna 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.399 finish here. A lot of you about no boys, they 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:03.080 don't need to. But so we uh, what happened that 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.320 first night we get there, We get to Florida, because 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.680 we all started in Jacksonville, Florida that year, and we 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:10.640 was hanging out and I was with Bubba Chuck. 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.160 Of course, Oh you know, Bulba. 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:14.359 Chuck go. 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.200 Giving that, giving that twelve pack of heindekens, he's good 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:18.359 to go. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.879 So if y'all know, w Bubba Chuck is ai so 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.040 uh so we all partying and getting it in and 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.080 then like it was the first call, first practice, and 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:29.560 it was a couple of guys like, I'm not even 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.160 from the people on boy, but a couple of guys. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.760 I was like, ship, this is the first day. We 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.840 already fucking fucked up already. 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.240 So uh it's me of course, Steph almost on that team, 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.239 and Bubba Chuck that was our two backcourt, and then 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.840 Richard Jefferson's on that team, Lebron Carmelo, the young guys, 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:47.600 d Wade, all those guys. 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:48.400 Uh. 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:52.840 But man, when we left here, we we honestly felt 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.080 good about the trip. It started off pretty good. But 0:24:55.240 --> 0:25:00.560 then man, Andre Miller and uh and Paul got into it. 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:01.760 Man, damn. 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.440 So you think that's going one downhill? 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.320 Man, it was kind of going downhill already and it 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.040 was just a it was an interesting mix of guys. 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:09.680 I think it was. 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.080 It was a great talent wise team, but international player 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.320 is totally different and a lot of people don't understand it. 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.480 And you know, I think the months that you gotta 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:19.920 have when you're playing for your country, it's not the 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.280 same as you playing for your team. It's a big difference. 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:26.080 You actually need to elevate. And we were so all 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.280 over the board though, man, and uh, you know, I 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.919 felt I felt bad for Larry Brown, Pop and all 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:35.359 them because everybody was young and a mixture of guys 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.160 and every guy's some guy's going this way, some guy's 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:38.840 going that way. 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:39.120 Man. 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.920 It just I was just like, how were we gonna 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:42.440 make this work? 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:42.879 You know? 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.280 And it's like and it wasn't like every people didn't 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.639 really just like each other. It was just more just 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.359 like it's just an imbalance, that makes sense. And it 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.440 sucked that we fell short. I mean, we finished with 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.879 the bronze. No you know what I'm saying. You know 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.240 that last game I had to do it be he 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.080 man out there, shot out there, had the hell of 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:02.600 the game for us to pull some shit out. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.040 But yeah, just on the podium, yeah, I was like, 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.240 we gotta get out of here with something for sure. 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.200 But I mean, listen, everything game as easy as you 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.280 think it is, It's not easy for guys to go 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.800 play on the national team and you don't play every year. 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.720 That's why they changed the dynamic after that. After that year, 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.879 they start getting the guys together for two years at 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.200 least two three years together. They have the same cohesiveness. 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.000 Because you're playing against teams now where all these guys 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.360 have been playing together for ten years. They've been they've 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.800 been groomed, they've been groomed to beat us. Let's they 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.399 mindset and that they play a game and play a status. 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.760 We don't play. Our NBA game is more of injury 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.520 visual sport. When we play overseas. It's fundamentally in simple basketball. 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.960 They're not doing all the extra stuff. They just keeping 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.800 its simple. They and they, but they know each other. 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.280 We know each other from as a competitive standpoint, but 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.280 playing with each other it's a it's a it's a 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.760 time you got to actually make to each other, and 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.400 a trust and knowing. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.920 What he likes but he doesn't like. And it's so 0:26:57.960 --> 0:26:58.600 many levels to it. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.520 Absolutely, and like you say, with that, the way that 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.520 they played basketball, and you've played with some of the 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.760 best international players ever, you know what I'm saying, playing 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.280 with Steve Nash and obviously playing with the one that 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.560 did numbers down in this city dirt, their approached to 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.000 the game and how they played like and man, I've 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.639 been the flashiest, but it was always productive and it 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:17.640 was always buckets. 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.520 Was it a lot easier playing with a style of 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:20.080 player like that? 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.520 See, the team was different, my role was different. So 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.240 so one of the things I've been able to adjust 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.000 to I was just the team I have. I mean, 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.240 if you follow me, you know that. So like when 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.639 I got here, they need me to do everything that 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:37.840 everybody else gonna do. So so we had a great 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.359 shooting team, you know what I'm saying. So, but they 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.320 ain't nobody slashing and nobody just locking motherfuckers on the 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.119 defense and be doing the small other things. And and 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.000 that's that's how we com froment each other. When they 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.159 needed me to score our score, when they need me 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.640 to lock somebody up and lock them up, and it's 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.280 just oh I didn't need me to facilitate. I was 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.760 able to do that as well too. So it just 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.000 depends on what we need and who we who we 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.040 was playing. And I think that's That's the one thing 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.320 about the game at you don't see a lot, you 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:02.280 don't see a lot of everything. 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:03.040 It's assistent. 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.359 The same thing now when you when you see the 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.120 real good teams, they're adjusted to different variations. 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.960 On the court. And doing that game, you know those 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:11.720 that was the reason why we was able to win 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:12.480 that championship. 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.720 We knew, we knew, we knew how to hold people accountable, 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.800 and we knew how to adjust and we played to 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:20.959 the level of our our apartments. That's how good we were. 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.040 Like with't nobody beating us that you don't give a 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.240 fuck who we played? Uh, And it's just that sister 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.000 Chalon don't get enough credit either. Why was amazing? T 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.480 Hy and Brendan the the tannel between t Y and 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.800 Brendan Haywood. We had two seven footers that was meeting 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.359 you at the rim, Damn bro And like you know, 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.400 Tyson was a lot more verbal and aggressive than Brendan, 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:40.960 but Brendan was out there. He was just he was 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:42.280 sitting there waiting for you to get to the rim. 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.880 And like that's the thing. But you got guys locked 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.720 up on the perimeter. We locked in me j Shaun 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.800 Stevenson j kidd all of us, even Dirt, even Dirt 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.040 got his big ass down, was defending you know what 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.880 I'm saying. So like when you when you buy into 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.120 that that team concept, that's when you and you and 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.320 you challenging Mary, why you elevating each other, That's what 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:02.160 that's what it's about. 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.080 And like you said, I mean the Miami he came 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:06.960 in Big three Super Towers a team. 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.200 But you can tell the difference between the teams of 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.480 y'all with the mindset, the mental focus. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:12.960 Obviously y'all be in vetered. Y'all was locked in. 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.120 Wasn't nothing to go, y'all, and you could tell when 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.120 they got rid up, y'all was gonna take it like 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.280 Jason Terry getting tacked, like come on, Like y'all was 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:20.400 a different level locked in. 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.080 Man, listen, man, you go back and I h you don't. 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.000 You don't get a lot of time to reflect on 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.280 your career while you're playing, because you're living in it. 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.040 You're when you get time to really reflect on what 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.720 you did in your career and the things that you 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.680 did in this game and just look back and like, 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.280 holy shit, like it was a hell of run. And 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.200 that run right there, Oh my god. D Wade told 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.560 us to me after we won a championship. He's like, 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.120 and this, enjoy this moment, but you not don't really 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:47.880 know what you did until about a month later. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:49.200 He wasn't lying. 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.640 When all the dust and everything kind of that's calmed 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.160 down that summer, you know, I was doing all kind 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.960 of parties out here there. But uh, but when that 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.120 dust selled down, I got a chense to really reflect 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.160 on that run we did, dude, Man, that was a 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.080 hell of a fucking run. 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.960 We beat some great teams, great team ship. The most deep. 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.600 The deepest team in the league that year, behind behind 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.000 us and Miami was Portland. 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:12.560 Woman had a lick. 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.280 People would be like, listen, do't let me grow on 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.560 the Lakers with defending champions. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.280 Yeah, but they wasn't as deep as Portland. 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.080 Portland had ten guys dude that they that it literally 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.720 could be starting on all the teams, you know what 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.160 I'm saying. And Brendan roy was Kurt Kirk kind of 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.040 hurt at the time, but you still come back. But 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.000 he still had one good game that was like, you know, 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.880 kave you the flashes of what he could possibly do. 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.440 But we just we just kept rising to the challenge. Man, 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.280 and it's like, you know, once we got that, we 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.640 was locked in like that. Man, wasn't nobody stopping that ship? 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:41.560 What was that party? 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.760 Like like winning in Miami then going to Live and 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:46.000 spending the big bag? 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:47.840 So what was that like? 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.440 So dude, it was lit. 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.440 You know, I think you know, Live was really kind 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:55.960 of kind of coming back a love at that time 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:57.880 was when we were first really back opening it up 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.000 and they was doing Sundays there. I mean, ship, dude, 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.760 we got nabbage. We turned it out keeping about that 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.840 big ass over extra magnum or whatever, that a thousand 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.040 dollars bottle whatever, Like I had two people pouring a 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.560 bottle poorn it. Man, Listen, you could just drip that 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.680 whole thing on me and it's all just drinking. And 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:19.880 it was just it was just I felt like it 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.000 was just doubtas it took overminded me that night and 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.280 we was there, everybody was locked in and it was 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:25.640 like a pause. 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.440 Everybody said, you can drimp that big thing on me. 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.280 I'm like, I fuck what you made. 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:39.480 But that was. 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:47.080 I was waiting. So look, we've been scarce metal world 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:47.760 beat up a song. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:50.920 Hey, I didn't want to fuck up your story, but 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:51.240 I was. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.720 Like, cut the fucking. 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.920 Pause, you know what. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.080 I needed a drink, but's gotta be fired. Though, to 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.360 win the ship is celebrating somebody else's city as far. 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.680 Yeah, I snug the NBA championship out right. It was 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.560 literally this many people at our party. 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:15.520 No for any boy, when the kids, I said, there, 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.200 I gotta throw my own championship party. 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.120 Damn throw a party. 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:20.040 No. 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.040 I couldn't fall back to the brook Lopez walked in 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.120 with his jersey on. I said, damn, it's just being 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:30.160 Brooke with no vibes in there for Brooks, with no 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:35.080 vibes for nobody. It was like everybody from the front office. 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.800 I was like, nah, I've seen the Dallas Mavericks win 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.680 and I seen Sean Mary and getting the drink port 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:41.080 on them. 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.200 Did you know though, at the beginning of the year 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:50.880 that you had a chance though, I mean, I know 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.480 you always want to play the win, but. 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.080 So look, every team has aspirations to win championship every 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.360 year training camp come. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.760 Every team has that goal that's coming in training camp. 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:01.280 That's the focus. 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.440 But guess what, it's only about handful of those teams 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.440 actually gonna speak that into the existence. You know what 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.200 I'm saying, Reality in perceptions two different things. 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:08.920 Reality. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:10.360 Most of these teams know they ain't gonna they ain't 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.160 gonna do shit. Now now the parody in the league 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.720 now today is totally different. But back then, though, listen, 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.800 this is how strong our team was. My cousin's not here. 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.040 We're sitting in my living room when I was living 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.160 in Preston Hollow at the time, and he was like, 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.360 he looked at our roster. He literally looked at our roster. 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:30.800 He was like, it's like, cuz, y're gonna win championship 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:32.320 this year. Y'all gonna do what y'all need to do. 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.960 Y'all win championship. I was like, you know what, shit, 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.160 cause you you kind of I believe you're you right, 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.080 I'm looking at this motherfucker like, yeah, I'm looking at 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.040 our roster because we ain't had training camp yet. So 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.560 we got some new guys that, you know, some older 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.480 guys who came in. But like, I'm like, you know 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.000 what you did, all right, we go out and do 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.080 what we need to do. We're gonna win this motherfucker. 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:55.560 So fast forward, training camp starts, we are in Orlando 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.200 playing them for preseason. So D Steve host hosted half 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:00.760 the team at the house and have a barbek with 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.240 the crib. He got atm in the. 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.880 Liver room and Ship. Yeah, so we there. He got 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.080 a guy tattoo. 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.120 Guy came over and we grilling and everybody's just chopping 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.919 him talking ship and Jeed was like, Yo. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:15.040 Let me get this. 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.640 I'm gonna go and get this motherfucking championship tattoo on 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.439 my arm. I'm like what. He's like, yeah, we winning 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:21.120 this bitch this year. 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.360 I was like, oh shit, okay, okay no. So he 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.399 literally got chapmanship, chatted on his arm, breaked it in there. 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.440 This preseason. We ain't I remember that. I didn't know 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:36.680 I know what that happened. I didn't know that was 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.879 pre season. We ain't played one game this season yet. 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.200 So I was like, oh shit, we locked in. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.520 Let's do this ship yet. I got you. Let's do this. 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.360 So we come up the gates rolling, you know, we 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:53.880 Korong go down within I think fifteen games. Tough one, 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.160 tough one, but like man, we we studied rolling and 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.600 everybody just locked in with each other. Man like of course, 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.719 you know the season is so long. I think we 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.759 finished what third or fourth that year, something like that 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.560 in the Western Conference. And uh, but it didn't matter 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.719 who we messed up with. We knew we we had 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.680 eighteen game winn the streets that season and you know 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:12.319 we we we. 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:12.880 Was doing it. 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.640 So the West has always been strong like that though 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.759 for the most part, for the longest of my career, 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.880 we everybody was who made postseason was winning fifty plus games. 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.320 So but anyway, we get through the year and we 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.960 and we play Portland that first round and man, I 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.160 tell you, we was locked in and we looked at 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.120 each other's eyes and it was a there was a 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.640 filling in the locker room, the whole, the whole, the 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.840 whole dynamic and whole culture in our environment. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.520 When you walked into that locker room, you knew that 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:38.440 we was on a mission. 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:38.959 For sure. 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.040 You you got you would have felt that energy and 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.600 got that energy. And with galls of all the naysayers 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.040 and the media and ship, they kept talking. They picked 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.000 port they picked something. They picked Portland win that series. 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.799 Ye are the favorites to pick the Lakers to win, 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:52.920 ok okay see to win. 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.120 They picked Miami win everything. I was like, I tell you, 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.319 the motherfuckers on no shit about basketball because we beat 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:58.360 the dog shit on everybody. 0:35:59.040 --> 0:35:59.920 Yeah I did, Yeah, I did. 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:00.920 No facts. 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.600 I got a question for you, and we got a 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.480 fan question. They wouldn't know if it's just true or not. 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.560 You know what I'm saying. Obviously we know what happened. 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:08.720 You know they got about a phoenix. 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.960 Is it true there was a possibility that you could 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:11.760 have went to Boston? 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:20.160 Yes, oh, okay, yes, So doing that process. Right before 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:24.160 KG went, I was getting calls. So so you know, 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.960 this being the NBA, there's a lot of people calling 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.400 about accident about people that don't mean they up the trade. 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.800 It's part of the business, part of the game. So 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.000 like people can call in crob or anything like. And 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.840 they asked him it was calling Boston was calling like crazy, 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:43.359 and uh I was like, uh the ball is They 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.640 was like, Boston's calling about to Sean and we ain't 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:46.160 entertaining it. 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.640 Don't worry about You're not going anywhere. 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.960 I was like, Okay, that's enough, said, I'm not even 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.959 thinking about it, you know, And of course that stuff 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.160 end up making the trip on down to you here 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:55.440 and there. 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.520 But like listen, it's part of the business. Get it, 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:00.520 eat it, and then uh, they. 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.359 Treated for KG afterwards they figured out the KG they 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.759 I guess he agreed to it and that's when he 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.920 went and left, but I didn't. I wouldn't like I 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.560 would have entertained it, and I had to agree to it. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.719 Before the show, we was talking about obviously I don't 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.040 I love basketball, but I like to talk about the 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.560 other stuff. So we were talking about the cities you 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:24.239 played in, and I was like, Bro, you're a lucky man. Bro, 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:29.760 you playing some fire cities you gouts Phoenix, Miami, Toronto, Dallas, 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:31.000 just to name a few. 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:35.120 Like what was your we in Dallas? On? Neverman? But 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.080 what what was your favorite city? Like? 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.440 So so honestly, man, all of them was different phases 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.440 of my career, like I was. My mind said, was 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.680 totally different every team I went to so uh but 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:53.200 you know what, man, it was it sucked being and 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:54.200 the team was losing. 0:37:55.120 --> 0:38:03.080 But I tell them all the time, So Toronto, you 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.839 should have been a rapping my boy. Come on, man, 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.960 I was trying to get in Toronto with all my heart, but. 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.040 You didn't want to pay them taxes though I would Texas, man, 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:15.239 Texas is crazy there. 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.319 I was hoping I was on the minimum. 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:26.440 Man. Some see do as a motherfucker boy lord a mercy. 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:35.400 Remember this is right now, the real Matrix. Yeah, how 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.920 did you get that nickname though? The Knny Smith? This 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.640 is my Kimmy Smith. Yeah, first game ever, preseason? We uh, 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.520 we're playing, so you didn't get a chance of playing 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:44.879 the forum. 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.239 No, I didn't play regular season, but my first year 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.160 was a last preseason tournament they had before they closed 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.840 it stable season. Staples Center open beginning of the season, 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.200 so we in there and they had a tournament preseason tournament. 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.160 It was me, it was Phoenix Lakers, of course I 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.399 think Sacramento a couple of another team in there. 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:05.480 So every year he did it. 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:10.040 So first game ever, preseason, dude, I get a still 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.880 block and won all in like. 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.359 A sequence, and Kenny smift' is like, oh my god, 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:17.560 you see that, he's the Matrix. 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.120 And that was it. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.520 Everywhere I was going, everybody was calling me the Matrix. 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.560 And you know, Kenny Smith's always been the guy who 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:28.880 get everybody nicknames, and that's it. I became a household name. 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:34.600 That's far getting nickname. Those first NBA games I gotta drink. 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:36.080 Oh yeah, yeah, we. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.000 Ain't drink this one, bro, that's on you. 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:45.200 That's watering that though lightly over there, got over the house. 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:54.439 Big Sean, and I will not be taking no drinks 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:54.920 from yours. 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:12.160 That's oh no, that's crazy. 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.719 Obviously you still watch ball. Uh what young players you say, 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.440 you can see like remind you of yourself. 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.160 So you know, uh, you know doing the drift every 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.520 year they try to play young game. I'm company guys 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:28.120 to guys that played before them. You know, men, listen, 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.600 I don't I don't see nobody out there there. 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:31.120 See. 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:32.960 I used to say Kawhi a little bit because he 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:34.840 I feel like he never got tired of the court. 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.640 And he plays both enses of floor, you know. 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.200 But uh, you know, I just think, uh I was 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.920 a lot more athletic than and jumping and rebounding than 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.440 Kawhi is. But you know for this engine effort, you know, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.879 versatile small forward that you know, it's like a little 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:52.880 bit of this, a little bit of that, you know 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:53.319 what I'm saying. 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.920 But you know, I just feel like I was, uh 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:58.880 one of a time, man. This is what it is. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.600 Yeah, Like to me, like defensively, you were like Draymond. 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.680 But offensively you were like your own type of person 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.719 because you can run picking rolls with the ball, or 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.600 you can set them slip out dunk, you can hit 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.920 the corner, three, you can shoot, you could attack off 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.440 the dribble, So you weren't nobody really played like you 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.919 on offense. Now, No, offensively, you were like Draymond because 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.359 you can go one through five. I remember when even 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.080 when you was in Cleveland, you were switching all the 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:22.840 boss greens. 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.680 So so you know, it's funny we talk about that, 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.920 we talk about the versatility defenders and stuff, and I 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.080 was like, you know, Draymond, and I think I love 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.000 his to nastally, love his energy, love his heart, but 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.000 I still think I'm always the way better defender than 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.120 he was. And the reason I say that is because 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.080 when I had to guard point guard point, when when 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.319 I actually guarded you, I guarded you for the whole game. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.720 I didn't it wasn't no, no, no, a few minutes 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.319 here and there or trying to spread somebody. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:47.720 I guarded. 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.560 I locked in with you guys for the whole game, 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.840 and like most guys ain't doing that. So it's easy 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.680 for and it's way simpler for guys to do with 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.440 every possession and switch. Everybody switched now. But I mean 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:02.360 I can guard somebody for a quarter. It's easy to 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:03.960 do that, and let me guard that guy for the 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.239 whole game, though most guys is not doing it. I'm 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:07.920 the only person ever in NBA history to do that. 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:09.560 Only person. 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.080 Nobody guard No. One through five, not the whole game. 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.319 That's a question. Yeah, obviously, you know what I'm saying. 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.799 You guarded some of the best in the league. Who 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.359 is some of the people gave you, like the most 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.560 trouble so so. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.760 Early in my career, one of one of my favorite 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.760 players was Jamal Masburn. He was a big body, small 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.360 forward that can handle the ball and just he was. 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.799 He wasn't very athletic, but he was shifty and very 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.080 creative of getting his shot off. 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.879 Man, he had a you know what I'm saying game 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.360 to him that was so smooth man, you know. 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.719 Giving me a shout to Jamal man he was one 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.680 of my my guys helped me elevated, you know what 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.759 I'm saying. But at that time, you know, shoot, all 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.600 the small for us was pretty pretty talented. 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:52.960 Time. 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:55.319 I was like guard mellow Melo. 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:00.560 That's a real still. 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:06.879 So Carmelo Carlo was tough. I was already three years 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:07.680 in the league. I think I was. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.000 I think I was three four years in the league 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.600 already when he came in. But man, he was, he 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.520 was tough because you know, he was he was. 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:14.279 He was man. 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:15.759 He was trying to he was trying to score every 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.880 time he got the ball. Man like he ain't he 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.560 ain't believe in passing the rock. So you know, once 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.160 you got him, like, man, yo, we didn't go at 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:25.000 it for sure. 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:30.400 Well, I think we should be talking about Hall of Fame. 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.960 Right ship, you know you're talking about Yeah, go ahead, 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:35.600 I think you should be a Hall of Famer, Like 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.400 with all the accolades you got, all the things you 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.960 did playing basketball, like from college on, I think you 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.120 got a Hall of Fame career of me personally. 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.080 And shout out to the Phinney sounds retired and number. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.399 You know what I'm saying, that's that's what's up. That's 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:49.520 what's that's the start. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.480 You know, man, you know, I've been having this conversation 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.239 people asking me that a lot, and I thank you 0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:57.719 because you know, at the end of the day, but 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.840 you're not the ones, you know, the ones who's picking. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:02.840 So like, a lot of things are not in your control, 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.839 but one of the things that y'are. And we all 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.720 cogree that though when you when you when you earn something, 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.840 you feel like you should get that reward, right versus 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.160 it's like nobody going somebody come in here, y'all doing 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.640 the job, and I'm gonna pay you when I feel 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.719 like it. That's the mentality was sometimes when things go 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:21.719 on and you know, one of the things, I've been 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.040 truly blessed, man, I take noneing for granted. I'm able 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.840 to do things that a lot of people will never 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:27.960 get the chance to do. You know, I'm seeing the 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.800 world and I don't take noneing for granted. 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:32.080 And like. 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:35.480 I'm okay, I know what I did to this game. 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:37.480 You know what I'm saying. I know, I know exactly 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.759 what I'm punting. I left on this game, and who 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.800 I am. You know, I'm comfortable, man, And that's it. 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:44.800 A lot of a lot of that I can't control 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.000 with nobody else too. I only can control myself. 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.600 So that your peers know that she was one of 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.680 them guys, man, So I wouldn't be surprised down the road. 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.759 It happened for you, but your peers definitely know you, and. 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.919 Most importantly we know too, no doubt for show for show. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:01.480 And on that note, we will get about of here. 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.240 Matrix. Appreciate you. Slide on this big. 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:07.880 Guy, love love Max the noise one time hen see arena. 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:10.319 Yeah yeah, all right. 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:11.360 Before we get up out of here, were gonna have 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:12.360 a couple questions from the crowd. 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:25.200 Ain't working, Mike check Questions from the crowd. 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:31.799 Questions, questions, Hey, Sean, Mary, who is the hardest person 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:32.919 you had the guard in the NBA? 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.000 The hardest person I ever had a guard in the 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:41.759 NBA was probably Shock No, no, no, seriously no, but 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:46.800 anybody who uh, anybody who was who's gonna be that? 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:48.560 Who was the mean guy who actually was a tough 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.160 guard man. It's just about me preparing and trying to 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.759 make it hard for him, hey Sean. Uh, when it 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.800 comes to free agency, is there when you're talking to 0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.680 your agent, is there like a minimum. 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:00.400 You will take or it's pretty mu up to you 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:01.120 what you want to do. 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.800 So so so look, I was never officially a free agent. 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.040 So when I came, when I came to Dallas. 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:08.279 I was. 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.839 I was signed. It was a sign, sign and seal deal, 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.120 so I was under contract currently. It was a sign 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.680 and trade, so I couldn't. I didn't actually go out 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:17.759 and test the market. That's one thing I never did. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.600 So everywhere I went, I typically was under contract. The 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.880 last year that I went and played in Cleveland do 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.160 it was between Cleveland and Indiana, And that's a year 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.960 Paul George broke his league and they needed they had 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:32.560 a they had a player exemption. They was gonna give 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.520 me whatever that was. I think it was five or 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.080 six million dollars or whatever. But at that at that 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:38.800 point in my career, I wanted to play for a 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:40.880 championship and I was like, withn't going up body unless 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:43.800 I saw myself being in position to win another championship 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:45.600 before I retire. And that's why the reason I went 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.680 to Cleveland. But free agency, man, Listen, it's a different 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:50.960 different it's a different thing. 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:51.239 You know. 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.440 I didn't get a chance to really experience it like 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.239 a lot of guys did. But listen, I knew I 0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:02.080 was coming here. Jay Kidd, Jeff Dirk, Cuban, all of 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.359 them called me like, yo, you you're that final piece, 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.200 we need to win a championship, and it was like, Yo, 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.720 we're gonna make this happen. I was like, hey, because 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:10.560 at the time Cuban and my my man, my my 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.120 agent Dan Fakan were really good friends. So it's all 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:17.560 a great, a great scenario and they I got a 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.840 phone call like the soon as I became rephraging, like no, 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.960 you can trade it. Sign trade because Brian Klangeol was 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.920 a GM at the Raptists at the time, so that 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.440 was my guy from Phoenix. So it was just it's 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.759 just all worked out and signed trade five year deal 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:37.520 from the Dallas frevs Shoes A hoo band oh man 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:48.560 of So it was probably my pe shocks M hmm, 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:54.720 yeah they are. They're pretty dope. Uh yeah, yeah, they 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:56.000 my pe shot. 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:56.279 I had some. 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.120 I have variations of shocks and uh I had some. 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.120 Definitely some players that was pretty dog. 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:02.640 Hey. 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.959 The piggy back off of what es said. 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:05.759 You know you're a dog. 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:07.920 You could drop a dog off of any fight you're 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.960 gonna battle. Two part question, who is somebody you you 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:13.880 didn't play with, but you could take it. You know 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:15.400 you would take the war with anybody. You know, you 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.399 take them to war, any war, and somebody you didn't 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:20.279 play with. Who's two people that you would take the 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.000 war with? So who the people I took? Okay, the 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:25.719 first one is the people I will want to go 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.600 a world with right now? Oh shit, I mean I 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.680 would running back with the team we wanted in twenty eleven. 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:35.320 I mean, oh, I mean, listen, you know it's funny. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:37.719 I came in with J Kid and Penny hardway back 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:42.480 for two thousand Phoenix, So listen, those two are special guys, man, 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:47.680 you know, and listen, I it wasn't it was it 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.200 was meant to me and J Kidd to reunite. Dude, like, seriously, 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:56.160 though we are playing with JA Kidd. He elevated me early. 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.480 And told me to do things on the floor without 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:00.879 like and just gave me the gave me the green 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:02.839 light when I when I came in my rookie season, 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.200 he was like, you got it go. And we we 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.279 only played two years together in Phoenix earlier. Then we 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.520 came back here and won that championship and it was 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.840 dope only on the person I probably would love to 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.960 play with that I didn't get to play with too. Man, 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:18.759 I actually had a chance to do it, but they 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:24.160 didn't have no money. It was Lakers Kobe, So of 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.239 course m J was already going out the league when 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.239 I came in. You know, he was on his way out. 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.759 Uh but uh with Kobe though, So it was it 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.360 was a situation there that it was. It could have 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.239 it could have blossomed into something, but it justn' it 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:36.839 just didn't happen. 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.560 That's good, big dog. Hey, who gave you that? Welcome 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:47.480 to the NBA moment? Oh Mookie Blaylock, Atlanta legend. 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.200 Mookie Blaylock. 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.120 If y'all don't know who he was, he was a 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.960 hell of a point guard man, and I ain't gonna 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:55.680 I ain't gonna lie to this ship was so crazy. 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.759 So I got the ball, I'm drimming down the court right, 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.680 and everybody was talking about how quicks his hands were, 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:12.399 Pauls so you know, so like I'm literally driven, I'm 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.120 thinking I'm about to lay it up, right, he didn't 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:15.319 already stole that bit from me, And. 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:20.879 I was like, yo, did he just do that? But like, yeah, 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:22.080 his hands was unbelievable. 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:24.040 Clap it up, y'all. 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:29.400 For the Club five twenty podcast The Matrix, Sean Marion 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:33.400 Dallas Mavericks leavinging champion. Also beat out to Jeff T, 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:37.359 DJ Wells, Bishop be Hen, You don't gotta leave. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.600 Plenty of drinks, plenty of food. 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.040 Mix it mingle, clap it up one more time here 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:42.480 to see a. 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.000 Ring in the trick with deep appreciate Sean for coming 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:45.640 out for real. 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:47.040 Thank you. Love that