2025-01-22- KSR - Hour 2

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Speaker 3: Welcome to two of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage.

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Speaker 4: Now Here's Matt Jones welcome back.

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Speaker 5: I remember two Kentucky Sports Radio if I'm nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven. Now joined on the phone by ESPN's Jay Williams, former Duke basketball player, which is really his most negative quality, but otherwise, good Jay, how are you?

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Speaker 6: What's up? MJ?

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Speaker 7: I saw I caught some some random strays the other day.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're just throwing you throw, You're just throwing curse bombs on Twitter? What was that about?

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Speaker 6: Oh? It was just an f with a whole bunch of stars.

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Speaker 5: Nobody curt Okay, well, I guess from the part is that what we were saying.

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 5: All right, So Jay, I think the easiest way to start this is I want to play the clip that's kind of in question, and then I just want you to say what you meant or what you think how how we should have interpreted what you said. Okay, So here's the clip. We'll play right here. This is what you said, I think Saturday on the college game consistent.

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Speaker 8: I mean the last three games they've led by nine points or more at half in the first half. You know, look, this is Arkansas like and all the things that you said and Jay Billis said are correct. They have to get tougher, learn how to close out games defensively.

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Speaker 6: Have to be better.

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Speaker 8: Like yo, every time you're playing, you're in a national spotlight, and the biggest microphone is Big Glue Nation.

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Speaker 6: Let's keep it a buck.

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Speaker 8: So like every time John calib Perry fails, he's going to go viral, everybody on Big Glue Nation is gonna say, you see those offensive lapses that they have, You see that lack of toughness. This is what we experience for our time here at Big Glue Nation in Kentucky, and it makes life difficult. And he's the biggest talking point we're gonna have, or one of the biggest talking points in this sport. So look, John cali Perry understands that set. It's the life that comes along with the territory of being Calip Perry and making.

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Speaker 7: That in conference move and then having that received nil budget.

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Speaker 6: It's what comes along with it.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna handle it.

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Speaker 6: I think he's gonna be okay, this is gonna be a fight. You think it's see much all right.

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Speaker 5: So there's two parts here. First, the part that sort of seems to say that because of us, we're making cal Perry's job more difficult? Is that?

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Speaker 9: How?

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Speaker 5: Or no?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: I mean, well, first off, you know, m J. How long have you and I known each other?

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Speaker 5: Long time? Long time.

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Speaker 7: If I felt that Big Blue Nation was just the only thing making life difficult, I would have just said it. Do you think I am hesitant at all just telling people how I feel. Regardless of whether people hate me or not, I honestly don't care. The only opinions that really matter to me are my wife and my kids and my job.

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Speaker 6: You know that's number one.

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Speaker 5: So what did you mean then? What did you mean?

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Speaker 6: I mean exactly what I said. I mean.

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Speaker 7: Look, I'm a fan of sports teams like you know, I'm a fan of the New York Giants. You don't think every time I sit there and I see Joe Shane with his kid and his kids like Draft Jade and Daniels and his dad laughs it off. That doesn't hurt me. I don't feel some type of way about it.

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Speaker 5: That's just if you're a Giants fan. Joe Shane is the GM and the Giants Col's not the coach here. What do you mean about the fact that we have a microphone? How does that change Cow's job MJ.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't change his job, I mean, first off, it but to act like that's not what really happens.

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Speaker 6: Are you?

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Speaker 7: So are you claiming that every time col does lose a lot of fans from Big Blue Nation do talk about it on social media?

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Speaker 5: Of course you're yes, But what does that have to do with him losing? Like the conversation was, why is he not being successful? What do we have to do with that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I didn't say that you guys have anything to do with that. I don't.

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Speaker 7: I think you're being overly sensitive towards it. And first off, I know you don't speak for everybody.

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Speaker 6: In Blue Nation. I knew Big Blue Nation is a whole bunch of people. It's not monolithic.

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Speaker 7: My point was, and what I said precisely was that every time he loses people in Big Blue.

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Speaker 6: Nation let him hear about it. That's a really big thing.

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Speaker 7: When when Mick Cronin loses, other than when he goes viral, does anybody talk about it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: Okay, But but I don't know, Okay, I did? I agree with you. I agree with you. We do talk about it. We do talk about it, but so what so, what what does that have to do with how he's performing.

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Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with how he's performing. It's just the reality of the world that we live in.

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Speaker 6: Right. It's like if you you guys are the most powerful fan base there is in the country. Don't think you do you do you confirm that thought?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yes, certainly online, but probably in general.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So within college sports, within college basketball, Okay, I will say that.

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Speaker 5: So no, in college it's in college basketball. There are some football ones that are like that too, but college basketball, yes, of course.

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Speaker 7: So when Big Blue Nation is passionate about something, are you stating that you undermine the passion of not underminding.

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Speaker 5: But again, the conversation, but that that conversation you all were having was about why this year has gone bad for COW. I just don't know what that has to do with us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but see this, this is what happens when you play a clip. Did you hear what Jay Bill said? Did you hear like they gave all reasons on why cow was having a bad year.

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Speaker 7: And then what I did is I said, JB and Andrea, you guys are correct.

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Speaker 6: Here's also another point that is really real about it.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand why that feels like Big Blue Nation is being attacked because you guys.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think. Here's what I think, and you tell me if I'm.

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Speaker 6: Right when I when I think, is this that the other day? Hold on, m J.

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Speaker 7: When I jumped on the internet the other day and I hear you talk, I was part of like I am a cal apologist.

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Speaker 5: And I'm no, I don't believe you're a col apologist totally. I think Seth is and I've told him that here. But let's go to the second part of that clip we played. You said cow will take care of it. I'm sure. Let me give you a second clip. This is what you said on ESPN on first take the when when people after Kentucky lost to Oakland before kled left for Arkansas. Here were your comments about the Kentucky fans and the job go ahead.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to say it out loud and very so we can let it all just Mariner. John Cala Perry, the second all time winning his coach in Kentucky basketball history, has left Kentucky basketball for Arkansas.

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Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying here.

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Speaker 7: As long as that, like so, everybody's gonna say, well, you know, this is a great move for who y'all gonna replace him with.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so somebody added all that stuff, but who are you all going to replace him with? Do you now think clearly you thought we'd get worse Arkansas would get better. Do you now think maybe that was incorrect?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but Matt, I'm okay with being wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So you do think you were wrong?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. I talked on TV for four hours a day. We get it wrong. We're all humans. I didn't know who Arkansas at the time.

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Speaker 7: I don't know who Big Lunation was going to replace John Caler Perry with. Mark Pope has been an incredible replacement. He's exceeded expectations in his first year. So yeah, I openly admit I didn't know who they were going to replace him with.

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Speaker 5: So here's where he Here's where UK fans get upset, Jay, Here's where they get upset. And it's not just I actually don't fans, no, but I think I speak for a group of them, and a lot of people listening would agree, not all, but a lot. Here's what I think makes a lot of our fan base man, the national media. That's an example with that clip of you seth has many, but there are many others I could give you. If people who've said this, they always act like Kentucky fans are the problem. We ran cal off that somehow, if we don't have cal or if we didn't have Rick, or if we didn't have Tubby named the coach, that this program is going to go in the toilet, And we get lectured about it all the time, about our expectations, about how we need to be reasonable, when our expectations are part of why it's Kentucky. And I think our fan base does not like, at least a lot of them do not like national media members lecturing us on what we should expect and then being wrong in the end.

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Speaker 7: Matt, you know one thing I'm going to say that your show is really good at is that you guys take soundbites of things and that turns into larger narratives. So what I will say, and you are right in your assessment, just let me confirm this. You are right in your assessment. But I also would challenge you on the things that people have said, including myself, that have gone against the grain on Caliperi. Those things never get amplified on each ow like what like so like I've said multiple times during his run, they're like, yo, you've got to win championships. That's what Big Blue Nation expects. You're not winning championships the age of one and done. Like we've had conversations on national TV about Yo, all these one and done's like that's not working yet.

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Speaker 6: This year may have felt to be a little bit older.

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Speaker 7: Like there are I said it actually on that clip before you play that when Seth cut me off because Seth was.

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Speaker 6: Talking about you know, cow that line.

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Speaker 7: When Seth was like, well, you know, col hasn't forgotten out of the coach, I literally said, well there, you're talking about end game adjustments, Seth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you did say that. I heard you say that, and I heard you say that. I didn't cut the clips, you know, So that's why I.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're boys, we're talking.

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Speaker 7: But I do feel like from a national media perspective, all of a sudden, like everything just gets clipped as if this is what's okay.

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Speaker 5: But you did say Jay, I get it. But you did say and you said it, not just that time. There's a couple other times you went on shows. I didn't want to play all of them, but you did sort of take the view of if Kentucky gets rid of cal If Kentucky gets rid of Cow, they will be worse off, and.

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Speaker 6: That no, No, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt. I challenge you find a clip where I say they will be worse off.

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Speaker 5: Okay, where we're really good at media. All right, maybe they're okay. So you thought so when you say, who are you going.

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Speaker 7: To get, Matt, Jay, Matt, this is your show, Matt, you talked for four hours. Let me come on your show and be a guest brother.

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Speaker 5: Four hours.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, go ahead, that's really smart.

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Speaker 7: I did never on any show come off and say they will be worse My question exactly was who would they replace him with? Now I asked the question. I was wrong, But this is the type of stuff I'm talking about, Matt, Like that's called sensationalism, and you're good at it. I never said they were going to be worse off. I never put down bb A nation in that degree.

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Speaker 5: Fair enough, if you didn't, if you didn't think they were gonna be be worse then I trust you. I'm not saying you didn't. I feel like I saw a clip where you said that, But I could be wrong. But you did say who either priced me? And you leaned into the camera kind of like, come on, now, who are you all going to get? Would you agree that Cali Perry in the last five years at Kentucky and then if course this year that there has been a steady and precipitous decline.

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Speaker 6: Factual, yes, I would agree.

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Speaker 5: And why do you think that's happened?

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Speaker 7: I think, well, first off, I think the challenge with the ad calling the bluff is a real thing at Kentucky.

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Speaker 5: I think that, but it's not the AD's fault. It's not the fault. But what do you mean it's the eighties challenge?

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Speaker 7: But but Matt, you you are really good at chiming in over the top of something and then reclaiming what I said.

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Speaker 6: That's not what I said. I said that the AD called his bluff, and I doubt was.

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Speaker 7: The right thing, Like like, I never said that it was the AD's fault. So I'm seeing a pattern here of you doing that multiple times. And I don't know if it's to try to put me in a corner to react, but that's.

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Speaker 5: Not I just but when I ask you, why is it a precipitous decline? The first answer is the A D. Why is it Cow? What responsibility does John Caliperry have?

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Speaker 7: He has all the responsibility. One percent of it is John Caler Perry. Like I'm not living in the world and mak any excuses. I never said. I never not making excuses for cal I mean that comes along with the territory being John Caler Perry and missing the boat sometimes with the way things rhythms and you know, rotations and how they're established.

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Speaker 6: Like I'm not calling in.

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Speaker 7: To butcher John cali Perry, he is no longer the head coach of Kentucky basketball. He has his own problems at Arkansas. He made that decision. That's on him. I think Kentucky has gotten better. I think Mark Pope brings in a new energy. I think what he's done with all these transfer and the transfer partol He's got these guys to buy in, which is significantly difficult to do in today's age. And I'm given all the praise and credit to Kentucky Basketball for it.

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Speaker 6: They deserve it.

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Speaker 5: All, right, do you and I believe that? And let me just say, I think in general, you are one of the better announcers towards the Big Blue Nation I actually get for someone who didn't go here, I actually give you credit for that. But can you see how Kentucky fans would feel. I'm of the belief that the college basketball announcing community is loath to criticize coaches, even you right there said I'm not here to bury on cal Perry. I don't see that in other sports. You guys protect coaches, but you will not you personally again.

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Speaker 7: Once it once, I just want to make I just want to clarify again, Matt, and you can fish your point.

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Speaker 6: This is not a monol monolithic thing, like it's not you guys.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, you said at.

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Speaker 6: Going after Patino, So why won't you.

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Speaker 5: Say that cal has Why don't you I don't say go after because that makes it sound like it's personal. But why won't these guys you included say John Caliperi is not the same coach he was in twenty nineteen and not in the sentence with but he will turn it around? What evidence do we have of that.

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Speaker 6: There's no evidence that he won't either? Is that fair? Well?

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Speaker 5: Six straight years, six straight years of winning one NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 7: Game, Okay, I mean, but like once again, like I've gone on national TV and like, do you want me to say that I think cow has lost it. I'm gonna wait to see how this year pans out, and hope this year pans out in this first.

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Speaker 6: Year, then I would have to be critical.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I did not come into the season expecting Arkansas to be at the bottom of the SEC, even though it's the best conference in the nation at all. I think what we're seeing right now from Arkansas is not at the level Arkansas basketball needs to.

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Speaker 6: Be at flat period. Like nobody's making excuses about that it's been bad. It's been horrifically bad thus far in SECC.

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Speaker 5: Do you and I'll finish with this because you have been very nice to come on here, and I do, Jay. I don't want you to think I'm not trying to.

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Speaker 6: You and I are boys.

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Speaker 5: We're just we've we've been I do too, and which is why I like you that you will you will do this agree or disagree with this statement. Cal has friends in the media, and thus they and and by the way, so do a lot of coaches that they are Thus, whereas like Mick Cronin is not friends with the media, so it's easier to attack him because Cal's friends with a lot of these guys. They have been overlooking and protecting consistent problems for a long period of time and not calling it out. And thus, you know, when people do, they are then painted as being unreasonable. Do you agree or disagree with that?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: I disagree with that, okay, but can can we call it you?

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Speaker 6: You are referring to Seth.

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Speaker 5: No, no, it's not just Seth, it's not just Sat.

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Speaker 11: Then let me know who else are you're referring Well, I mean, honestly, honestly, Jake, respectfully, I would also say you because you said no, no, I say you said five minutes ago.

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Speaker 6: That I have been pro BBN out of.

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Speaker 5: Most your pro bm BBN, but you also will have You also though, when you said and I'll leave, I don't leave it when the camera when you looked into the camera on first take, when you looked into the camera on first take and said and say who are you gonna get? You know what that was? You know what you meant by that.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So let's just let's just talk about my character for a second, because that seems to be in question with you and me being critical and coaches.

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Speaker 6: Do you think I do you think I've met.

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Speaker 7: Let's be honest about Like, when I go to Big Blue Nation, if I get booed, do you think I care? No?

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Speaker 5: I think you love it because it's good for your brand.

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Speaker 6: No wait wait wait if you think if I get cheered, do I care? Either way?

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Speaker 5: I think everybody likes to get cheered.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I've been. I've been. I've played against Kentucky before. I've been booed.

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Speaker 5: Like you were good in that game too. You were way too good. It makes me mad how good you were.

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Speaker 6: Keith Vogans is my boy.

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Speaker 5: That goes way back for us, the Caruth game where he.

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Speaker 7: Wanted Yeah, now you're bringing me back. I don't want to bring out that jay. But like so when grays and and I'm only going to give this example because I say how I feel and for some reason on this show with you right now, you are interpreting my years of work, even though you haven't heard all the things I've said, because we have two clips that I don't say anything critical of taw I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't use the word attack. You could be critical, right, I criticize.

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Speaker 7: My own coach. Coach k with graceon Allen, I was not allowed to go to practices at Duke. I think if anything holds warrant to my character and how fair and objective if I am to certain things. And I'm not saying that your comment isn't right. A lot of coaches have friends. Cal has a lot of friends. He's very personable. Maybe that has inhibited some people of saying what's really been going on. But if I've been able to criticize my own head coach a place where my jersey hangs and I go back to all the time because I'm a home and Gerham, let's not question my objectivity, Okay. I mean I might go into things sometimes I was wrong about who y'all who you guys were gonna get.

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Speaker 6: I was wrong about that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, And that's appreciate you saying I appreciate you saying that. And ultimately we all make mistakes. If I had a list of all the things I said that was wrong, we'd be here all day. I just like when people sort of own up to it, and you did, and that's all you can ask. And and by the way, uh, You've always been nice to me, and I appreciate it, and I look forward to talking to you again soon. Are you guys gonna be in Lexington at all during this?

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Speaker 6: I mean, we better be in Lexington. I mean I know what our schedule.

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Speaker 5: Know if Seth will get the greatest reception when you come just for the reck.

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Speaker 7: If he doesn't, then I might have the camera on and it's going to be a live camera action because you need to come on the show there.

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Speaker 5: Because I'd love to combine. Hey, Jay, thank you very much for taking the time and doing this and coming in. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 6: You got him now, you too, brother, appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: This, Uh will take a break, be right back.

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Speaker 6: KOSR.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back, take you sports Radio. So Shannon Brian was here, there's.

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Speaker 3: A one hundred chance he would have been hiding under the table.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was very entertaining.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was watching you. You smiled the whole time. Yeah, So what were your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 3: Well, you sensationalizing journalists, I think that's what he said. You're very good at sensationalizing everything, you know. I felt like at first you guys were kind of talking in circles. I was a little by some of the things that he said.

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Speaker 4: But you know.

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Speaker 3: I know he said a lot of things that we as Kentucky fans don't love.

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Speaker 4: But I love Jay Williams. I actually do.

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Speaker 5: I do too. I actually really like him a lot. And the only part that wor he'd meet it all is when he said attacking his I'm not attacking his character at all. I think he's I think he's like a good dude. I think these people it's sort of like I think these people sort of they say things, and they say him in the moment, and then you say it, and then it's like when you bring up later. Not to his credit, he said I was wrong, but there has certainly always been an implication that BBN is a little crazy. And that was my point. When he leaned in and said, who you gonna get? We know what he meant, which is they're not going to be as good. And I wish he just owned that, and he did and said he was that he was wrong, and that's that's good.

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Speaker 3: And for being honest, I said that myself for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Who are we gonna get? That's any better?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad though he came on he owned it, like you said, he acknowledged he was wrong and he's right about another thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you're on the air for that long.

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Speaker 3: For four you're gonna say you've got to have a take, and sometimes that take is going to be right wrong, and I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think people do give enough leeway for that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I do think he likes Big Blue Nation. I also think though notice even here he's like, they still won't say like that. Maybe. I mean, first question, why do you think Cal's performing like this?

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Speaker 3: He brings up the ad, Yeah, which I don't know what that has to do with him now.

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Speaker 5: When he I don't think it was Jay, but it was somebody else that when when the thing separated, the first comment was, well, the AD's not giving him the support. Well, I can tell you that was like what Cali Perry was telling everything was happening. So Mitch Barnhardt doesn't call those people, so they're not going to get his side of it, right. But the one thing I like about well, I like many things about Jay, but he will always be entertaining and he doesn't take any of the disagreements personally. He's already texted me the fire emoji multiple times, so I know he is very happy about the ex person.

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Speaker 3: To come on and go on total like that and be combative on the air and still not take it personally.

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Speaker 5: And that's what That's what I like, people who will go at it and not take it personal, which is which I do really like about him. All Right, So I went long on the first segment, So we're going to take another break. Here he if I'm nine two twenty two eighty seven, we will take your calls. Be right back. It's Kentucky Sports Radio. TJ Smith, personal injury attorney called TJ.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's what you like to see, right, interview.

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Speaker 5: It seems like the vast majority of you were really entertained by the interview there. I'll give you a couple comments both ways. One person was right, goes Matt. You talked over him like you tend to do. I don't know why you do that. You should let people answer. You're did talk over him, maybe slightly more than I wanted to. But I also will say people want you to get to the heart of questions, and you can't do that unless you talk over people, because if you just let people like Jay's could be a politician, right like he like he's good at like redeflecting, and so you have to stay on that. So but yes, I mean, I certainly do talk over people because you're trying to make a show and get him to answer the question, which to his credit, I think he did another person, Rightes. I like Jay, but he's acting like he didn't mean what he meant, which was we wouldn't be as good without col as we ended up being Yeah, and he finally said that, but that was what he meant by that comment.

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Speaker 3: At first we played that clipping goes, I didn't mean that, and then like a minute, let he goes, I meant exactly what I said. That's why I was like, well, wait a minute, that's confusing.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand what he's what he's saying.

00:24:56
Speaker 5: Then, yeah, so you know, but I do think, like I said, I think he's great. And I thought if there was a piece of news that came out of that, is that he was banned from Duke's practices.

00:25:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know that.

00:25:08
Speaker 5: I didn't know that either, and I don't know that that. I don't know that that's ever even been said before. I would think, Shannon, I I'm not sure that that has ever been said before.

00:25:18
Speaker 3: Do you Probably not. I don't know, like what context or what show he would say that on.

00:25:23
Speaker 5: I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't know that.

00:25:26
Speaker 11: Uh.

00:25:26
Speaker 3: I don't think you just tweeted that out.

00:25:28
Speaker 5: I don't. But that is really interesting because you know, he and Coach K I think always did have. I mean, I'm sure he really I know he respects Coach K, but they did have a little bit of a tense relationship in some of his years afterwards, probably based on television. I think Jay Billis and Coach K have had that as well. That's a tough thing for somebody who played Grant you, if you played for a coach to have to then talk about him, Shannon, that would be really really.

00:25:57
Speaker 3: Hard yep put you in a tough situation, kind of like we were talking about earlier, being friends with somebody and then you have to go and be critical of him.

00:26:02
Speaker 4: It can't be easy.

00:26:03
Speaker 5: He was dude. If you're just talking about college basketball players, he is one of the best of my lifetime. Like I'm trying to think who are the best college just college only players of my lifetime. I'm going to start in like nineteen ninety because I don't know the eighties guys well enough, like you're Patrick Ewings, although they were great. I hate to say it, but Lightner is one of them. Anthony Davis is one of them, Kevin Durant is one of them. Trey Young at that year at Oklahoma was insane. John Wall Jay Williams. Jay Williams was a beast in college. Shane Battier was really really good in college. I'm trying to think about a Yukon, a Mecca Oka four was a great college player, like a great college player. Who am I missing here? I mean, if you're just talking about dudes that you were, like.

00:27:10
Speaker 4: Oh, it was pretty damn good.

00:27:13
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the early nineties Larry Johnson at UNLV Shack is great. That's a great one. Chris Weber at Michigan and Latner and Mashburn those five dudes I just mentioned Shannon, they all played at the same time.

00:27:32
Speaker 4: Those five guys.

00:27:34
Speaker 5: That's a pretty amazing list. Sitting here. Also thinking about Jerry Stackhouse when he was at North Carolina was a dude. As much as I hate to say it, though, the best college player of my lifetime, at least nineteen ninety on, is probably Christian Labor.

00:28:01
Speaker 4: It's painful to say, huh.

00:28:02
Speaker 5: I mean, would you say somebody else? I mean part of it is he played.

00:28:08
Speaker 4: Four years, yeah right, yeah.

00:28:11
Speaker 5: Won two titles. And the thing about that Kentucky game, Dude, he went ten for ten from the field and ten for ten from the line, and if he misses one of those shots, Shannon, we win.

00:28:22
Speaker 4: Right.

00:28:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to pick. That's a tough argument to say that somebody.

00:28:29
Speaker 5: Jay was up there, Bradley, go ahead.

00:28:31
Speaker 12: Bradley, Hey, good morning. I thought it was important to point out too that for Kentucky fans after the last five years that we've had with Catle Perry, and I'm not rooting for him to fail at all.

00:28:44
Speaker 6: I've been.

00:28:45
Speaker 12: I was appreciative of what he did while he was there, but this year him not doing so well and us exceeding expectations has been kind of cathartic as a Kentucky fan.

00:28:55
Speaker 5: I believe, yes, now, it won't be as cathartic if we lose in a week. To have it would be pretty unod that would be terrible, But for right now, I think you're right appreciate the call because I think, all right, so, I was critiquing Jay in the national media about what they were gonna say shit, and there was a part of all of us that was still nervous it would work out right.

00:29:16
Speaker 4: With Pope absolutely yes, or just.

00:29:19
Speaker 5: That like cow might go there and go to the final four this year? Yep, wasn't there a part of us that was I'll admit there was a little part of me that was like, oh, what if he goes there and kills well.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: None of us thought he was going to go and have the type of season he's having right now. I didn't think there was any scenario because I mean, he took the roster that you had at Kentucky, add in a few freshmen that were going to kink to Kentucky, and.

00:29:43
Speaker 5: And the thing you have to remember is that would have been our roster here.

00:29:45
Speaker 4: Yep, that's that would have been What would this.

00:29:47
Speaker 5: Play place have been like if we were zero and five.

00:29:51
Speaker 3: They would have been ready to fire him mid season. I mean a lot of it is ready to fire him, you know.

00:29:56
Speaker 4: Last year.

00:29:56
Speaker 5: Can you imagine how toxic. This place would have been if we were owing five. Oh my goodness, Brandon, go ahead, Brandon.

00:30:04
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I was just wondering, what the chances you think of Kentucky making it to a Final four within.

00:30:10
Speaker 6: Like the next five years would be high, very.

00:30:13
Speaker 5: High in the next five years. Yeah, I would say, yeah, eighty percent to make a Final four in the next five years. Yeah, because they've got a shot to make one this year. They got a shot. So if you're telling me, I think every team we have in the in the future will be as talented, if not more than this one. So yeah, I think for sure.

00:30:39
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks, you appreciate the call.

00:30:42
Speaker 5: Do you agree with that?

00:30:43
Speaker 6: Yeah?

00:30:43
Speaker 3: I mean I know that Pope hasn't won an NCAA tournament game, but he's never had a roster and been at Kentucky and had the opportunity. It's a little bit different when you're at BYU versus at Kentucky. So yeah, I mean I think that he's got a legit chance.

00:30:57
Speaker 5: Blake Griffin, that's a good one. You forget how good Blake Griffin was in Oklahoma. Zion, It's easy to think about Zion being you know what he is now, but dude, he was. He had some games at Duke where it was just insane what.

00:31:13
Speaker 4: He could Steph Curry in the tournament. That in the.

00:31:15
Speaker 5: Tournament, But I don't remember watching him a ton in the like in the regular season.

00:31:20
Speaker 3: Is it really on anybody's radar until yeah, the tournament.

00:31:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm sure if I'm sure he was on some people's radar. That was the time I wasn't following college basketball. I mean, I was doing the blog, but I was really into Kentucky. But in the tournament, that tournament run is legendary. David, go ahead, David, ay many, thank you, sir.

00:31:44
Speaker 13: I'm doing a fine And I was gonna I was gonna remind you, just remind Jay that Tayshaw did not fell him in that last place.

00:31:55
Speaker 6: In the two thousand and one that was a great.

00:31:57
Speaker 5: Game in New Jersey. I was in law school that year. I wanted him to win so much, David, and we lost, and that was Rashad Kruz barking at the thing. And that was a heck of a game.

00:32:08
Speaker 4: He didn't want to talk about that.

00:32:11
Speaker 5: He must not like Rashad Kruz. He was quick to he was quick to change the subject on that one, But go ahead, David.

00:32:18
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was wondering about if you could add a cow player to this year's team, a former cow player, what would it be who I think what.

00:32:31
Speaker 5: This year's team could really use. Well, I appreciate the call. Well, I would, of course, Shannon add Anthony Dates. I would add Anthony Davis to any team, but especially this team. You put these shooters around Anthony Davis. Forget it, We're not losing a game.

00:32:46
Speaker 3: That's it. I mean, you don't need to add any more shooters. You've already got a roster built around that. You need somebody inside that's just a great defender.

00:32:56
Speaker 5: So Anthony Davis is the answer. Even like a Willie call stop, because Willie was a good passer and he was at that high post thing, like, I think that would work. So I'd want number one rim protector and then number two. I'd want a really good player who was really good on defense but could still shoot out on the perimeter. So like a case in Wallace or something.

00:33:20
Speaker 4: Like that, I'll give you one more.

00:33:22
Speaker 3: Now, he may clog the lane and may change things a little bit, but how would you not want a guy that can get you twenty rebounds a night and kick it back out for another three in Oscar.

00:33:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know though, I mean Oscar would help. Obviously he would fix the rebounding yep. But I don't know about the clog in the lane because this is still a group that needs space. So I don't know. But Anthony Davis, this is gonna be the answer most of the time. Hey, if you're exercising more, being healthier, and saving more money, these may be your New Year's resolutions, But how about also making sure you're not in pain. Court Physical Therapy has been Kentucky and as leader in physical therapy for more than thirty years. Whether you're a chronic resolution breaker or someone who's serious about making a lifestyle change towards better health, Court can help you be pain free on your way to achieving your goals. To begin care, go to Court dot com. That's k RT dot com. We'll take a break come back its ks R. This song is so ridiculous. Really does this song all the time?

00:34:19
Speaker 6: Now?

00:34:19
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:34:20
Speaker 5: Like, I've seen him twice in the last couple of years, and he does it every time. People laugh, But like, and people are laughing with this one. But this dude wrote it like he believed it.

00:34:28
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00:35:37
Speaker 4: Talk about?

00:35:38
Speaker 3: Friends that you don't need? Like later in your life? The only people that reach out to me that think they're my friends. Now are people that want tickets for Kentucky and Arkansas.

00:35:47
Speaker 4: Hey, man, you can hear those Kentucky Arkansas tickets. No, I don't even know you, Like, what do you you know?

00:35:51
Speaker 5: I get the message from the woman I went out with twelve years ago. Hey, how you doing?

00:35:56
Speaker 6: Yeah?

00:35:57
Speaker 5: Oh hey, what's up?

00:35:58
Speaker 6: Hey?

00:35:58
Speaker 5: You been tutic ark song game? I mean, I know you probably don't, But of them, I was just waiting for you to write me so that I could do it. Some other guys who were amazing in college. This was this is a great one. Michael Beasley.

00:36:15
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Kansas State.

00:36:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, he if you They weren't a very good team, but he would. I think he averaged like twenty six and thirteen for the year.

00:36:25
Speaker 4: He would.

00:36:26
Speaker 5: He was He was crazy. I'll tell you another one that was a lot better than you remember. Tyler Hansborough. Tyler Hansboro in college was insane. Joe kim Noah in college was insane. Tim Duncan, both in college and in the NBA was insane. Carmelo of course one yep, along with ad really the only freshman to sort of carry a team to a title. I like all, I like all these answers. It's good stuff. CJ. What's up? CJ?

00:37:03
Speaker 10: Can can we uh get these talking heads on ESPN that just shut up? Because if the road to rehearse, do you think they wouldn't be killing us? They would be daily.

00:37:16
Speaker 5: First of all, that's a great point that I wish I'd made in the conversation, because I don't think you could ask people on TV not to talk, or it would be hard to do their job. But you're right. If Cal was good and we were zero and five, forget it.

00:37:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would have been like, yep, see what it is, Hall of fame coach, and this is what you got.

00:37:45
Speaker 5: You're exactly right, CJ. We would have never heard the end of it if the roles were reversed.

00:37:52
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:37:52
Speaker 10: And also Cal stinks. I'm glad he's gone.

00:37:55
Speaker 5: Appreciate call. No, I mean, I like you remember Sad said something like, just worry about your team. Do you not think Seth Greenberg would be dancing on our graves?

00:38:07
Speaker 4: Of course if we were zero and five, you.

00:38:10
Speaker 5: Can they would. That's a really good, a really really good point, Randall, Go ahead, Randall, Hey man.

00:38:20
Speaker 14: I'm gonna say that. I believe that you said it earlier. Coach Cal and are the brands of Kentucky and the Wildcats is just better. You know that it makes players and coaches better. And if the if Cal and the players were at Kentucky, I think you know that the record may be even a little, you know, look a little bit different. But in the in the future, for like the players we have now, they they are better, you know, than they were at other places they were because it's the brand itself.

00:38:53
Speaker 5: I firmly believe that I do. Yeah, I mean you and I appreciate the call. A coach can succeed and not be here, obviously, but if you come here you will be better. You will be better. In the other respect, If you come here and go somewhere else, you're gonna be worse. Doesn't mean you can't be successful, but you won't be as successful as you would be here. So a guy like Danny Hurley has won two straight titles, so it'd be hard to be more successful than that. But one thing he could have done at UK has had all of his games on ESPN, and he would be even more well known than he is now now. Shannon that might not have worked well considering his temper, But like this is, you have to have a lot of talent to get here, but then this takes that talent and takes you to where it's like, oh wow.

00:39:55
Speaker 3: You know, players are always going to want to come to Kentucky just because it's Kentucky, just.

00:40:00
Speaker 5: Because I have talent to do the super Bowl halftime show. But then once you do the super Bowl halftime show, then you're on a new level. Same thing here, Duke Carolina. What's interesting about those three jobs though, is they all went to coaches who had never won an NCAA tournament game when they took him. That's very unique. Mike got about a minute.

00:40:24
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Mike, Yeah, the guy you tell us you mad mouthing about his song, that's Mac davis Man.

00:40:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, we played I like it. I like it.

00:40:36
Speaker 9: It's just a different Oh. He was a cod you know, movie actor all this. Uh you mentioned something about it. I don't know. No matter what couple of weeks ago you were talking about the little spat between Nick Gabriel and Cameron Mills, there might fall up about Yeah, well yeah, we chair one. But I agree with Cameron Mills. If you watch if you've ever watched that game, you watch the end of it. You see you see that play light. He didn't just step on a Me New Timberlake. He actually stopped right on his chest. And the hot thing was there was the referee standing like five foot away looking at it and never.

00:41:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right. I appreciate the call, Poor me New Timberlake. How'd you like to only be known in.

00:41:32
Speaker 4: Life and the guy who got stuff that's your legacy?

00:41:35
Speaker 5: Think about that, Like every single person at a certain age, if you say a Me New Timberlake, what are they gonna say?

00:41:39
Speaker 4: Yep, if you bring up his name, you're talking about that play.

00:41:42
Speaker 5: I mean, poor guy, you spend your whole life being the guy who got stepped on? That would that would just stink. It's like the worst way to be remembered is being stepped on. He probably needs some corn red hip to help him rest and relax it tonight cornbredthip dot com promo COKS on our full spectrum flower only HEMP CBD gummies. That's a lot of words to say. It helps you come down a notch, relax, no hangover. It's great, and they just keep expanding. They were starting with US when they were only in Louisville. Now they're everywhere. Go get it cornbreadthimp dot com promo code KSR. This show has flown by, it says that, but I can't think of a show that's flown by quicker than this one. It's because of my co host. I think I had the best co host today, imaginable.

00:42:32
Speaker 3: Well likewise, and I was highly entertained by the Jay Williams interview.

00:42:36
Speaker 4: That was great.

00:42:37
Speaker 5: That later on, Yeah, gotta be ready for it. Thank you all very much for listeny. We will be back at Listen to Mario Clappy. We're back at Kasbar tomorrow, Don Franklin and Lexington on Friday. This has been Kentucky Sports Radio