Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) vs. Back to the Future (1985): Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, this is Raiders of the Lost Arc
<v Speaker 1>versus Back to the Future Part one. The Professor and
<v Speaker 1>the Slacker join us as we discuss our two favorite
<v Speaker 1>movies from the eighties, and please join us in the
<v Speaker 1>weeks to come for parts two through four. So, without
<v Speaker 1>further ado.
<v Speaker 5>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast,
<v Speaker 5>discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties
<v Speaker 5>and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.
<v Speaker 5>Graves and Jason Colban.
<v Speaker 3>Thank David and at Hyder Hedis. Go man, I'm excited
<v Speaker 3>to be here once again.
<v Speaker 6>We are here today to discuss our two favorite movies
<v Speaker 6>of the eighties.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, both of these are top five for me.
<v Speaker 6>Both of these are yeah, probably even top three for me.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 7>I've been waiting thirty five years to really get into
<v Speaker 7>and talk about these two men.
<v Speaker 3>Have we accept the name of the movies?
<v Speaker 7>No?
<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, oh gosh, that's this important part, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 6>So we're here to talk about Raiders the Lost Ark
<v Speaker 6>in Sark and Back to the Future. They are both
<v Speaker 6>mega hits from the eighties. I think they'll probably be
<v Speaker 6>on anybody's top ten list who was alive at that time,
<v Speaker 6>and one of them is Jason's favorite and one of
<v Speaker 6>them is my favorite. And wait for final judgment to
<v Speaker 6>find out which way let that go.
<v Speaker 7>And once again, after we make our final judgment, we
<v Speaker 7>would love to hear from you, give us feedback on
<v Speaker 7>what you think on you side with the these with
<v Speaker 7>me or we're both crazy.
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<v Speaker 6>If you think that we're completely off base and you
<v Speaker 6>think these movies are terrible, there's something.
<v Speaker 3>Wrong with you, right, But you can go ahead and
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So to get a roll, and let's talk real
<v Speaker 6>quick about our memory of what we were doing at
<v Speaker 6>the time that we saw these movies. Razers of the
<v Speaker 6>Lost Arc came out in nineteen eighty one. I was
<v Speaker 6>five going to turn six that year. Back to the
<v Speaker 6>Future came out in nineteen eighty five, and so I
<v Speaker 6>was nine going to turn ten that year, how about you.
<v Speaker 7>Okay, So nineteen eighty one, I was a fourth grader,
<v Speaker 7>so I was eight and nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 3>I was had just turned twelve.
<v Speaker 6>Okay, so you were close. We were close in age.
<v Speaker 6>You were closer to my age at the time. I
<v Speaker 6>saw Back to the Future when you saw Raiders of
<v Speaker 6>the Loss Right, very impressionable time anybody's life.
<v Speaker 3>Eight and nine years old. Yes, so did you see
<v Speaker 3>both of these movies in the theater?
<v Speaker 6>I honestly can't remember whether I saw Raiders of the
<v Speaker 6>Lost Ark in the theater or not. I think that
<v Speaker 6>I did. Keep in mind, I was pretty young, you
<v Speaker 6>are five to six, right. I know that we owned
<v Speaker 6>a VHS copy of it, and I know I watched
<v Speaker 6>it over and over and over. Sure, I have some
<v Speaker 6>confidence that I did see it in the theater. It
<v Speaker 6>was my dad's favorite movie of that time.
<v Speaker 3>Period, for sure.
<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, I absolutely saw both of these movies in
<v Speaker 7>the theater multiple times. The first time I saw Raiders,
<v Speaker 7>I have a very clear recollection of that viewing. You
<v Speaker 7>want to get into it, yeah, yeah, tell me what happened?
<v Speaker 3>So I saw it.
<v Speaker 7>There's a little two plex un Tulsa, Oklahoma at fifty
<v Speaker 7>first and Harvard is called Fox Theaters, a little two
<v Speaker 7>plex there, and I don't know why I remember, but
<v Speaker 7>they had the video game battle Zone out front. I
<v Speaker 7>remember that tank game anyway took me. And so I'm
<v Speaker 7>watching Raiders have Law to start with my mother. And
<v Speaker 7>as I'm watching this, this is a life changing experience
<v Speaker 7>for me. Right like Star Wars four years before, when
<v Speaker 7>I saw in the theater, I came out the other side.
<v Speaker 7>I'm a different person. I'm like, right, what the heck,
<v Speaker 7>I'm a new man. Right, So I see Raiders and
<v Speaker 7>I think as I'm absorbing this movie, I'm thinking to myself,
<v Speaker 7>this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. Right, this
<v Speaker 7>is amazing. As it's escalating the movie and the tension,
<v Speaker 7>the action is building and building building.
<v Speaker 3>For me, it came to this point where India is
<v Speaker 3>fighting that German boxer around the plane. We all remember
<v Speaker 3>that iconic scene.
<v Speaker 7>And they're fighting and the guy's trying to shoot him,
<v Speaker 7>and Marian's got the machine gun and she's killing Germans
<v Speaker 7>and blowing stuff up and there's gas on the ground
<v Speaker 7>and oh my gosh, what's gonna happen? And here comes
<v Speaker 7>the plane and the propellers are coming right, and as
<v Speaker 7>a fourth grader, you can imagine, I'm like, holy smokes,
<v Speaker 7>this guy's going to get chopped into fish bait right
<v Speaker 7>here on the big screen. And at that exact moment,
<v Speaker 7>I'm like, what in the world am I.
<v Speaker 3>Getting ready to see?
<v Speaker 7>My Mom's hand goes over my eyes, right and before
<v Speaker 7>I can remove it. Of course, I know now that
<v Speaker 7>they didn't really show anything, but at that moment, I'm like,
<v Speaker 7>what what did I Yeah, yeah, so mom covered my eyes.
<v Speaker 7>Thanks Mom, appreciate it.
<v Speaker 6>But so that's I mean, that is crazy because that
<v Speaker 6>is also the one memory that I have, different scene,
<v Speaker 6>but the same type of memory. And I'll just say,
<v Speaker 6>as a side note, one of my kids, when we
<v Speaker 6>were watching Batman Versus Superman, there's a scene where Lois
<v Speaker 6>Lane's in the bathtub and we're all watching it together
<v Speaker 6>and suddenly my nine year old was putting his hand
<v Speaker 6>over my eyes.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, what do you what are you thinking, dude?
<v Speaker 6>So my dad would always go see movies before he
<v Speaker 6>took me to see the movie, right, even with a
<v Speaker 6>PG rating, which, by the way, it's insane that this.
<v Speaker 3>Movie got a PG.
<v Speaker 6>Rating PG thirteen didn't exist at the time, right, And
<v Speaker 6>as it turns out, Indiana Jones and the Temple of
<v Speaker 6>Doom is what brought about I mean, it was a
<v Speaker 6>major factor in PG thirteen skiing or rating at all, right,
<v Speaker 6>because this movie, and a lot of respects, is a
<v Speaker 6>horror movie. I mean, it's you've seen Poltergeist. It's the
<v Speaker 6>same stuff going on at the beginning of the movie
<v Speaker 6>at the end of the movie. And so yes, it
<v Speaker 6>was that my dad had gone to see it to
<v Speaker 6>make sure about things before we went, and I was
<v Speaker 6>I was a super obedient kid, and so at the
<v Speaker 6>point that he says, don't look, Marian, my Dad's like,
<v Speaker 6>cover your apps, and I was like, ohkay, And I
<v Speaker 6>covered my eyes and I heard all the noise in
<v Speaker 6>the screaming.
<v Speaker 3>As I said.
<v Speaker 6>We had this on VHS for the rest of my
<v Speaker 6>life until I was like seventeen years old. Every time
<v Speaker 6>that I every time that that part came, I would
<v Speaker 6>cover my eyes up because I didn't want to see
<v Speaker 6>whatever this my dad thought was too horrible for me
<v Speaker 6>to watch. And then you know, at seventeen, I'm finally like,
<v Speaker 6>wait a minute, I'm seventeen years old. Why am I
<v Speaker 6>still covering my eyes up? And so I uncovered my
<v Speaker 6>eyes and I watched the scene for the first time.
<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh my gosh, she was right. I
<v Speaker 6>shouldn't have watched it.
<v Speaker 3>Scary faces melt off. It's well.
<v Speaker 7>And Raiders was originally slotted to be rated R because
<v Speaker 7>of Bellock's exploding head. Yeah, and then they actually they
<v Speaker 7>put fire over and they kind of filtered it and
<v Speaker 7>you have.
<v Speaker 6>To kind of of the faces melting and the head exploding.
<v Speaker 6>I think the face is melting is far more disturbing, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Far more.
<v Speaker 6>And even I mean I looked back at it. You
<v Speaker 6>know what, you rewatched movies from twenty thirty years ago,
<v Speaker 6>and you go and the special effects, and I thought
<v Speaker 6>to myself, I'm going to watch this scene and I'm
<v Speaker 6>not going to be impressed with the special effects.
<v Speaker 3>It still holds up.
<v Speaker 6>It's still pretty darn good. I mean, if you look
<v Speaker 6>at CGI today, you look at like that new Will
<v Speaker 6>Smith movie where he's playing himself old and young. I'm
<v Speaker 6>still looking at it. I'm going I can still see
<v Speaker 6>the CGI, right, So even though I can kind of
<v Speaker 6>in my head say, yeah, that's just wax, but it's.
<v Speaker 3>Really good effect. It's good.
<v Speaker 6>It's really good. Let's talk about Back the Future real quickly. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 6>so back to the Future. I was like, like, we
<v Speaker 6>I said, close to your age. And I can remember
<v Speaker 6>my brother coming home from having seen it and he's like,
<v Speaker 6>I just watched this movie. We need to go watch it.
<v Speaker 6>And I was like today, He's like, I've just seen it.
<v Speaker 6>Come with me, We're gonna go watch it. And I
<v Speaker 6>was like, okay, yeah, and I went he's and we're
<v Speaker 6>talking the whole time. And I mean my brother was
<v Speaker 6>older brother, eight years older than me, so I very
<v Speaker 6>much looked up to him and for him to give
<v Speaker 6>it this kind of recommendation, I had really high expectations
<v Speaker 6>and I was not disappointed. I absorbed that movie from
<v Speaker 6>the first watching it, and I don't remember how many
<v Speaker 6>times I came back to watch it again. But the
<v Speaker 6>coolness of Michael J. Fox, the fascination with the guitar playing,
<v Speaker 6>the whole time travel, it was just it was a
<v Speaker 6>paradigm shift for me as well.
<v Speaker 7>So this movie works as a teen comedy, yeah, sci
<v Speaker 7>fi and an action movie yep, and all.
<v Speaker 3>Three in a bit of a room. It's from Coom.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and all three hit it out of the park
<v Speaker 7>in every aspect of that.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely totally agree with you.
<v Speaker 7>When I saw it, I thought, man, this is the
<v Speaker 7>coolest movie I've ever seen.
<v Speaker 3>And Michael J. Fox was amazing, Christopher Lloyd was amazing.
<v Speaker 3>Leah Thompson, I'm like, who is this girl?
<v Speaker 4>Man?
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to marry this girl? Right? The music,
<v Speaker 3>the effects.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah there and again looking back on this one, there
<v Speaker 6>except for one part, which even at the time that
<v Speaker 6>I watched.
<v Speaker 3>It, I went, it's a little hokey, yeah, in which
<v Speaker 3>I found out the reason for later.
<v Speaker 6>But other than that, the special effects hold up. They
<v Speaker 6>don't do anything over the top. And in nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 6>five they were creating real storms and lightning back then,
<v Speaker 6>and there was no green screen, and he was really
<v Speaker 6>up there on top of a tall building. So I mean,
<v Speaker 6>the realism is there because it was real.
<v Speaker 3>I think both of these movies do a great job
<v Speaker 3>of making action amazing without going over the top.
<v Speaker 6>Yep, Okay, so let's let's get started on the movies.
<v Speaker 6>Let's start with just the introductory scenes. In both movies,
<v Speaker 6>we have the introduction of our main character, and in
<v Speaker 6>both movies, you don't see their face for a good
<v Speaker 6>three four minutes.
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing how similar the introduction of both characters are.
<v Speaker 7>Right, Yes, it's really You see the back of them,
<v Speaker 7>You see their shoes stuck.
<v Speaker 3>Hello, anybody, hom ey stick give me boy?
<v Speaker 7>You see their hands. You don't see their eyes either
<v Speaker 7>one of them until three minutes after you see their
<v Speaker 7>You see their body, but you don't see their eyes.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 6>That creates a suspense that you have to have in
<v Speaker 6>the beginning part of a movie in order to and
<v Speaker 6>you buy in immediately, right, who is this person?
<v Speaker 3>Right? So let's talk about just the introductory scene. Right.
<v Speaker 6>You know, we talked about how these movies follow the
<v Speaker 6>old Greek the way you write stories that we've known
<v Speaker 6>for thousands of years of act one, act two, and
<v Speaker 6>act three, and you mentioned that you thought, well, maybe
<v Speaker 6>this is the four act one. And I think the
<v Speaker 6>introduction is just a telling of the story before the story.
<v Speaker 6>It is the perfect foreshadowing of what's about to happen.
<v Speaker 6>So and then also the light throughout the movie, especially
<v Speaker 6>at the beginning, but throughout the movie, the light that
<v Speaker 6>is used on Indiana's face as a definition of who
<v Speaker 6>he is and his struggle with right and wrong is amazing.
<v Speaker 6>The light itself, even without Indiana, is a symbol of
<v Speaker 6>the power of God and death that might come from it.
<v Speaker 3>Right. I mean, one of the India's.
<v Speaker 6>Very first line is stay out of the light, right, yep,
<v Speaker 6>because something bad's about to happen. Which if you just
<v Speaker 6>think about that for just a second, he's in this
<v Speaker 6>mysterious labyrinth where he's searching out the treasure and there's
<v Speaker 6>a booby trap that is activated by someone being in
<v Speaker 6>the light. That is not even.
<v Speaker 3>Possible that we're not capable of doing that today.
<v Speaker 6>Right, unless it's supernatural. Unlet's it's supernatural, which is a
<v Speaker 6>key for this whole movie franchise, really right, absolutely so,
<v Speaker 6>at the beginning, he's in shadow the whole time. We
<v Speaker 6>see a silhouette at one of the very first scenes.
<v Speaker 6>And then once you know, you see the map and
<v Speaker 6>the guy pulls out the gun. I mean, the other
<v Speaker 6>characters talk a bit, you still don't see him, you
<v Speaker 6>still don't know what he looks like. He's just this shadow.
<v Speaker 6>We figure, we don't even know who he is at
<v Speaker 6>this point. And then at the moment that the guy
<v Speaker 6>pulls out the gun and he whips around literally whips
<v Speaker 6>the gun out of the guy's hand.
<v Speaker 3>Let's back up, even war Okay.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 7>One of the cool things that I always thought was
<v Speaker 7>really neat when I was a kid is the Paramount
<v Speaker 7>logo dissolves into a mountain at the very very beginning
<v Speaker 7>of the movie. Right, Okay, So I said this in
<v Speaker 7>nineteen eighty one. The Paramount logo, which is a mountain, yes,
<v Speaker 7>dissolves into an actual mountain. It's supposed to be in Peru, right, right.
<v Speaker 3>Well.
<v Speaker 7>In twenty sixteen, I visited Kawai, which is an island
<v Speaker 7>in the Hawaiian Islands, right and outside of the town
<v Speaker 7>of Anahola. I had a cheeseburger overlooking this mountain. This
<v Speaker 7>mountain is called Mount Kalalia and sat there, had a
<v Speaker 7>cheeseburger cheeberg called an Island Girl, which is kind of cool.
<v Speaker 7>You go and say, I need to take an Island
<v Speaker 7>Girl home with me, right, which was kind of fun.
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, and so I got to see the mountain
<v Speaker 7>and this mountain range is actually used in several different movies.
<v Speaker 7>I went on a journey to a place called Keepoo
<v Speaker 7>Ranch Adventures plug for Keepoo Ranch. If you ever in Kawai,
<v Speaker 7>you definitely want to do this. They've shot all kinds
<v Speaker 7>of movies there. They've shot Priced the Caribbean, They've shot
<v Speaker 7>Jurassic Park, and they shot the beginning where the j
<v Speaker 7>Vito's are chasing Indiana Jones when we swing out and
<v Speaker 7>swings down to the river, and I actually got to
<v Speaker 7>go there, swing from that spot out into the river
<v Speaker 7>where all that happens. But Keepoo Falls is a waterfall
<v Speaker 7>and that's where he whips the guy's hand, he drops
<v Speaker 7>the gun.
<v Speaker 3>Keep It False.
<v Speaker 7>And when I went there, I'm like, literally one hundred
<v Speaker 7>yards away from it, right. I'm like, it's beyond that fence.
<v Speaker 7>It's like over there, right, How do I get over there?
<v Speaker 7>So I talked to the guy and he was really cool.
<v Speaker 7>He's like, I can't do It's on private property. And
<v Speaker 7>I said, well, what if I was intent ongoing? He's like, well,
<v Speaker 7>here's the deal. I'm not saying you know, I wouldn't
<v Speaker 7>call the cops or anything. He's like, but the homeowner
<v Speaker 7>has fired his weapon at people who have climbed the
<v Speaker 7>fence and gone over there. So I'm like, that's okay.
<v Speaker 7>I don't need to go see keep You False. Although man,
<v Speaker 7>I was so close. I really wanted to go.
<v Speaker 3>But I could make it over there.
<v Speaker 7>Knocked on the door, there's no door knock, It's just
<v Speaker 7>a fence. It's like acreage jungle.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody has come out of that alive.
<v Speaker 6>So back to the powers and the lights and all
<v Speaker 6>that they're going through the labyrinth. It's brilliant that as
<v Speaker 6>we go through this introduction, it's foreshadowing and foreshadowing what's
<v Speaker 6>going to have happened. He has troubles as he's pursuing
<v Speaker 6>this religious idol. That's what the whole movie is, right, right,
<v Speaker 6>it's just a different religious idol. It's a it's a
<v Speaker 6>native religious idol as opposed to a Christian religious idol.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 6>And so he's hyper aware, hyper sensitive, right right, So
<v Speaker 6>he's and he's so cool, I mean, with the whip
<v Speaker 6>and the and the figuring out all of the traps
<v Speaker 6>bit by bit, observant cool got it all down. He
<v Speaker 6>comes to this religious thing, and you know, you've got
<v Speaker 6>to wonder, how, like I said, how much of this,
<v Speaker 6>how much of the booby traps are things the natives built?
<v Speaker 6>And how much of it is just pure supernatural power?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 6>That's again part of a big part of the movie.
<v Speaker 6>And then he comes up and the light that shines
<v Speaker 6>on his face is gold.
<v Speaker 3>Where is that gold light? From? Right?
<v Speaker 6>And this is the point that his face is completely illuminated.
<v Speaker 6>And then this is the point that we find out
<v Speaker 6>that he values the religious aspect about as much as
<v Speaker 6>a bag of dirt, right, And so his face is illuminated.
<v Speaker 6>He switches out the dirt for the idol, and there's
<v Speaker 6>this half second feat where he's still in the light,
<v Speaker 6>and then it is just at the moment that he
<v Speaker 6>turns and is completely in the darkness again that it
<v Speaker 6>begins to sink.
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a.
<v Speaker 6>Sudden, this cool James Bond of the nineteen thirties esque,
<v Speaker 6>you know, hero becomes a bumbling, stumbling dashing forward without
<v Speaker 6>care fool, right, And that's the way it keeps going.
<v Speaker 6>And then he loses the treasure, and then he gets
<v Speaker 6>it back right, and then he loses it again, right,
<v Speaker 6>and it is all just foreshadow, foreshadow, foreshadow of what's.
<v Speaker 3>To come in the movie, and it happens about the whole.
<v Speaker 4>Movie, right.
<v Speaker 6>And then we're introduced to the villain Bellock right there
<v Speaker 6>at the intro, and once again, you've got something that
<v Speaker 6>I am taking.
<v Speaker 3>Away doctor Joees again. We see that it's nothing you
<v Speaker 3>can possess, which I kind of take away. Right. That's right.
<v Speaker 7>So let's back up for one second. So you and
<v Speaker 7>I have discussed pieces of these movies that we have
<v Speaker 7>small problems with. We're willing to overlook him because everything
<v Speaker 7>else is so great. But here's one of my problems
<v Speaker 7>with Raiders. At the beginning, like you said, he's like,
<v Speaker 7>stay out of the light, don't step on this.
<v Speaker 3>It's too easy, right, cautious, cautious, cautious. But at the intro,
<v Speaker 3>at the very beginning, as he walks into the cave,
<v Speaker 3>he grabs his dirt and just throws it in there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's good enough. I mean, how much does that
<v Speaker 3>that head of gold way way more than that second dirt? Right?
<v Speaker 6>No, apparently the dirt ways more. Otherwise it would have
<v Speaker 6>sunk the dirt.
<v Speaker 3>Apparently. Was it well thought through? Indy, Come on, he's
<v Speaker 3>just like And then when he gets to the idol,
<v Speaker 3>he actually takes a handful of it.
<v Speaker 6>He just didn't take it home. He just wasn't thinking.
<v Speaker 6>He's good and he's he's figuring it out as he gets.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know I'm making this up as I go.
<v Speaker 3>So he meets Bellock. I don't know either way, I
<v Speaker 3>do fla.
<v Speaker 6>Which again introduces another key aspect of this movie, which
<v Speaker 6>is it's okay to be smart. Intelligence actually helps you
<v Speaker 6>out even if you're the bad guy sometimes. And he's like,
<v Speaker 6>if only they knew you, like I know you.
<v Speaker 3>Is too bad. You could one that if only you
<v Speaker 3>spoke of Vitos And he's absolutely right.
<v Speaker 7>Bella O thanks him several times in this movie, and
<v Speaker 7>so he ends up falling from the school guy to
<v Speaker 7>a guy running in front of a giant rock and
<v Speaker 7>bursting cobweb covered out of a cave and running as
<v Speaker 7>soon as the natives' backs are turned down this mountain
<v Speaker 7>just almost like a Keystone cop episode where they're all
<v Speaker 7>chasing the bad act.
<v Speaker 6>Start the engine, Jock, start the engine, So Jock. For
<v Speaker 6>all of my life, I thought, why wasn't Jock in
<v Speaker 6>any more of the movie or any of the other movies.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he was a great character, and I did
<v Speaker 6>some research on him. It's the only movie he's ever
<v Speaker 6>been in because he's not an actor.
<v Speaker 3>He's a pilot.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, So when they came and they're scouting locations. You know,
<v Speaker 6>they're in Hawaii and they're needing to fly around. He
<v Speaker 6>was the pilot that was buying them around to find locations,
<v Speaker 6>and they needed a pilot for this scene. And they
<v Speaker 6>liked him so much. He was just like this good
<v Speaker 6>natured guy. They said, Hey, do you want to just
<v Speaker 6>be in the movie. It's super cool. Now here's the
<v Speaker 6>other interesting part. Ten years later, eleven years later, when
<v Speaker 6>they're filming Jurassic Park, also in Hawaii, a hurricane hits
<v Speaker 6>the island of Hawaii and they're stuck, like the crew
<v Speaker 6>like Steven Spielberg, Attenborough that's at Lord Erne, Jeff Goldboom
<v Speaker 6>crew all stuck on this guy, the guy who plays Jock,
<v Speaker 6>whose name is Fred Sorenson. He flies in and saves
<v Speaker 6>the crew from the hurricane that's hitting the island.
<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. Yeah, it's great, I mean true life. Okay.
<v Speaker 6>And then another interesting bit from the intro scene and
<v Speaker 6>the actors. Okay, the guy who pulls out the gun
<v Speaker 6>to shoot at Indy before they even get to the labyrinth.
<v Speaker 3>Do you know who that is? No? I don't, Okay.
<v Speaker 6>The actor's name is Vic Tablian. Okay, do you know
<v Speaker 6>where else you've seen him. I can't think of anything now.
<v Speaker 3>In Raiders of the Lost Ark, what he is the
<v Speaker 3>guy who owns the monkey, who has the.
<v Speaker 6>That's awesome, isn't that amazing? I was just like, I
<v Speaker 6>find him. I'm like, I wonder what else he's done.
<v Speaker 6>And that shows me a picture of the guy with
<v Speaker 6>the monkey, and I'm like, what's the wrong?
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, that's the same guy. Nice. Nice, That's cool.
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that crazy?
<v Speaker 7>Well, here's something else that I learned while visiting Hawaii.
<v Speaker 7>All of the Jovitos. Yes, those guys are surfers. Those
<v Speaker 7>are Hawaiian surfers that they gathered up. And if you
<v Speaker 7>look closely, they all have swimsuit pants you can see
<v Speaker 7>their surf pants.
<v Speaker 3>They've got tan lines. Yeah.
<v Speaker 7>So they get on the plane in which do you
<v Speaker 7>know the name or the number of the plane that
<v Speaker 7>they fly on on?
<v Speaker 3>Obi CPO No h does that sound relatively familiar? Of course?
<v Speaker 3>Remember owning the Troy absolutely.
<v Speaker 6>Not to not to George Lucas and the star wars.
<v Speaker 6>So then he magically escapes. I loved watching, you know,
<v Speaker 6>I love watching Jock like trying to decide whether to
<v Speaker 6>keep fighting the fish or I got one. Hecking drops
<v Speaker 6>it in there. He's brilliant. And then we find just
<v Speaker 6>before the end of the interest scene, we find Indy's
<v Speaker 6>biggest fear and what is his biggest fear?
<v Speaker 3>There's a big snake in the plane. Jock that flake
<v Speaker 3>might I hate save Jacques?
<v Speaker 6>I hate him and so obviously this again the foreshadowing
<v Speaker 6>comes in tells us at the outset, Indy's biggest fear
<v Speaker 6>is snakes.
<v Speaker 3>Snakes. Hang on to that. Okay, so let's get into
<v Speaker 3>introduction introduction the future.
<v Speaker 6>Right, So we're just talking in our break about how
<v Speaker 6>characters are defined in your head, like you know they
<v Speaker 6>talk about in good comic book character would be recognizable
<v Speaker 6>from his silhouette and you know, you think of the
<v Speaker 6>silhouette of Batman or the Hulk. You know, I'm going
<v Speaker 6>to recognize that guy. Indy is one of those guys. Yes,
<v Speaker 6>And in my opinion, his hat is like the cake
<v Speaker 6>like without the hat. He's no longer Anyanna Jones, He's
<v Speaker 6>no longer Superman. He's just a guy. He's Henry Professor, right, Yes,
<v Speaker 6>he's Professor Jones with the glasses. I mean he really is.
<v Speaker 6>He's Clark Kent. That's right, right, Marty is less of
<v Speaker 6>a silhouette character, but we still get a strong introduction
<v Speaker 6>for that one as well.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 6>Now this one we start off with sound as opposed
<v Speaker 6>to starting off with these silhouetted figures walking through the jungle.
<v Speaker 3>And it's.
<v Speaker 6>Tick because the whole thing is about time, and what
<v Speaker 6>better representation of time than clocks, which just what we
<v Speaker 6>open up on and we see clock.
<v Speaker 3>We see clock.
<v Speaker 6>Of course, you know, the critical moment in this movie
<v Speaker 6>revolves around a clock. And then we're like, oh, hey,
<v Speaker 6>is that Harold Lloyd hanging from a clock over there?
<v Speaker 3>On the thing? Is that something coming up in the future.
<v Speaker 3>Be weird with that apple later? All right?
<v Speaker 6>And then inventions are being activated at specific times. Who
<v Speaker 6>lives here, Wiley coyote? What is this radio hand thing
<v Speaker 6>that we've got going on here? And then we've got
<v Speaker 6>the radio talking about the toyotap, set up, yup TV
<v Speaker 6>talking about the stolen plutonium, set up, missing dog because
<v Speaker 6>you've got a big pilot dog, food all over the place,
<v Speaker 6>set up, mansion, set up, burned toast. Okay, that's just
<v Speaker 6>burned toast, that's all that is. Wait a minute, it
<v Speaker 6>was at a JBC camcorder that I saw down there
<v Speaker 6>on the pillow next to pictures of Edison and Piandstein
<v Speaker 6>and then enter legs. Once again, we don't see his face.
<v Speaker 6>What we see is Nike shoes, acid washed jeans, a
<v Speaker 6>skateboard and we know already is going to is obviously cool, right,
<v Speaker 6>obviously cool? And wait a minute, did that create that
<v Speaker 6>the skateboard just hits say plutonium on it.
<v Speaker 5>In other news, officials at the Pacific Nuclear Research Facility
<v Speaker 5>have denied the rumor that.
<v Speaker 3>A case of missing plutonium was in fact stolen from
<v Speaker 3>their vault. Two weeks ago, Olivian terrorist group had claimed
<v Speaker 3>responsibility for the electric death.
<v Speaker 6>I love the montage close ups of the amp cranking
<v Speaker 6>it up, cranking it up, cranking it up again. We
<v Speaker 6>are establishing Maury's character, the guy who wants it wow
<v Speaker 6>right right right, And then we have yeah to darmlouds,
<v Speaker 6>and then we have even still before we see his face.
<v Speaker 6>If you watch it, you're like, oh my gosh, this
<v Speaker 6>is so obvious that they're not showing his face. We
<v Speaker 6>see his back as he backs up and stands in
<v Speaker 6>front of this ten foot speaker, and then we have
<v Speaker 6>a stainless steel pick that comes up, same stell, Maybe
<v Speaker 6>we should make a car like that, right, yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 6>and then blam crash instead of whip bang and whoa
<v Speaker 6>rock and roll, rock and roll, And then we see
<v Speaker 6>the actual fantastic he has to take down the sunglasses.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, a little more revealed even after the big bang.
<v Speaker 3>You're exactly right.
<v Speaker 7>It's a fantastic intro, very similar to the way Harrison
<v Speaker 7>Ford's Indiana Jones is introduced the beginning right, Yes, the
<v Speaker 7>back of him, but you get all those iconic elements, right.
<v Speaker 7>So Andy has the leather jacket, he has the whip,
<v Speaker 7>he has got the fedora, he's got the gun. Yes,
<v Speaker 7>Marty has the skateboard, the guitar, the sneakers, the plutonium.
<v Speaker 3>The genius jacket, the jean jacket. Yeah, it's all set
<v Speaker 3>in the first and.
<v Speaker 6>You you know who these characters are. At the moment
<v Speaker 6>that you see in their face. You're like, Okay, I
<v Speaker 6>know this guy, and I like this guy. I know
<v Speaker 6>this guy and I like him already. And there's a good,
<v Speaker 6>you know a great question for both of these guys.
<v Speaker 6>Are the good guys?
<v Speaker 3>Right? Absolutely?
<v Speaker 6>And what I think makes both of these movies great
<v Speaker 6>is that we don't know, they're just kind of relatable, right,
<v Speaker 6>I mean India. When we look at some of India's
<v Speaker 6>history and see what some of the things that he does,
<v Speaker 6>we're like, he's kind of a cromey guy in certain situations.
<v Speaker 6>And obviously Marty is a slacker.
<v Speaker 3>He's got a real attitude problem with Fly.
<v Speaker 6>You're a slacker. I mean he wants to blame Doc
<v Speaker 6>for making him late for school, but I mean he
<v Speaker 6>walked in there like three minutes before the clocks started
<v Speaker 6>going on. Is it's not Doc's fault for his weird experiment?
<v Speaker 7>Listen, there's no doubt that Indian and Jones makes some
<v Speaker 7>questionable moral choices throughout.
<v Speaker 3>The movie Raiders, right, But we love him anyway.
<v Speaker 7>Yes, I think that he's got a heart that he
<v Speaker 7>has to kind of find sometimes. Absolutely, And Marty is
<v Speaker 7>definitely a little bit rebellious, a little bit mischievous.
<v Speaker 6>But he's still he's scared of things. Like he's in
<v Speaker 6>the intro.
<v Speaker 3>We see cool cool, cool, cool cool.
<v Speaker 6>And then a bookshelf full of objects is falling on
<v Speaker 6>top of him and all of a sudden, it's goofy again.
<v Speaker 6>And then he's this kid who's just late for school, right,
<v Speaker 6>I in both scenarios didn't really think to myself, this
<v Speaker 6>is a relatable character, right, I just went I like
<v Speaker 6>this guy.
<v Speaker 7>Right, Let's take it a step further. Harrison Ford is
<v Speaker 7>Indiana Jones. He's absolutely Indianjos. We'll talk more about who
<v Speaker 7>almost was Indiana Jones or who was Okay, well, we'll
<v Speaker 7>talk about that later. Eric Stoltz is not Marty McFly.
<v Speaker 3>Now, Michael J.
<v Speaker 7>Fox is Marty McFly And I would argue that from
<v Speaker 7>the moment that he's blown back by the giant stereo
<v Speaker 7>and he's covered with stuff, yes, and the phone rings,
<v Speaker 7>and he's trying to stand up, and the guitar chord
<v Speaker 7>is keeping him down, and he's it's funny, absolutely watching
<v Speaker 7>him try to stand up and get to the phone.
<v Speaker 3>It's funny, right, it's about he's funny.
<v Speaker 6>So both movies we have this strong, strong introductory scene
<v Speaker 6>that establishes to the carecharacter is and that they are
<v Speaker 6>both definitions of foreshadow. It's a different type of foreshadow.
<v Speaker 6>With Raiders of the Lost Arc, you have what some
<v Speaker 6>people call a prefiguration, where you have a short story
<v Speaker 6>that is mirrors what the long story is going to be.
<v Speaker 3>Right with Back to the.
<v Speaker 6>Future, you have, as I mentioned, set up after setup
<v Speaker 6>after setup. This is all here's a little piece of
<v Speaker 6>something that you're going to see later on. That's right,
<v Speaker 6>and it's not. It doesn't tell the story of what's
<v Speaker 6>going to happen. It just says, here's something, and here's something,
<v Speaker 6>and here's something that all come into play in just
<v Speaker 6>a little bit, and that is what happens throughout the
<v Speaker 6>whole movie. The whole movie is all about set up
<v Speaker 6>and pay off.
<v Speaker 7>It's like a scavenger on. Here's some plutonium, hang on
<v Speaker 7>to that, you're going to need it. Yeah, here's a
<v Speaker 7>guitar pick, you're going to need that to.
<v Speaker 3>Hang on to the skateboard. It's going to come into
<v Speaker 3>play here. How fun is that? So good?
<v Speaker 6>Here's a whip that's going to come into play later.
<v Speaker 6>To toss this gun into a suitcase that's going to
<v Speaker 6>come into play later, right, righte?
<v Speaker 3>Imagine you you and no matter.
<v Speaker 6>I think at this point we could probably start talking
<v Speaker 6>about how these movies both came into being. What I
<v Speaker 6>said to you before, they're like cousins of each other. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 6>they really think they are not only in their structure
<v Speaker 6>and you know, mix of adventure and bigger ideas, but
<v Speaker 6>also because they're both me and they're both Spielberg. They
<v Speaker 6>both involve a classic plot structure that goes to act one,
<v Speaker 6>act two, act three. So the fact that they're our
<v Speaker 6>favorite movies makes a whole lot of sense, I guess right.
<v Speaker 3>Right now, quickly. I just wanted to cover that.
<v Speaker 7>When we were talking about this before we start recording,
<v Speaker 7>we talked about, you know, act one, act two, act three,
<v Speaker 7>and I made mentioned that I think that the beginning
<v Speaker 7>part of Raters Lost Dark is actually an act three
<v Speaker 7>to a previous adventure, yeah right, which culminated with him
<v Speaker 7>getting the idol, the fertility idle. By the way, if
<v Speaker 7>you look at it, it's a woman and a little
<v Speaker 7>bitty baby in between her laymen. Yeah, you have to
<v Speaker 7>look really cool and ham deposit. But so it's a
<v Speaker 7>fertility anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Be sure it's a woman and a baby and not
<v Speaker 3>a man. Pretty sure.
<v Speaker 7>I'm pretty sure is that a it's ahead, but I'm
<v Speaker 7>pretty sure it's a job.
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, that is one of the things I like
<v Speaker 3>is because, as we'll talk about, Indiana Jones is a
<v Speaker 3>serial character this is a serial story. You know, he
<v Speaker 3>goes on multiple adventures. This is just one that we're
<v Speaker 3>catching up.
<v Speaker 6>With, and this and that, you know, that leads us
<v Speaker 6>into how this movie came into being in the first place. Yes,
<v Speaker 6>there were classic serials that George Lucas and Steven Spieldberg
<v Speaker 6>and the guys that are of that era grew up watching,
<v Speaker 6>and they included these kind of swashbuckling type of characters,
<v Speaker 6>very much like the treasure Hunters. Are a treasure hunter
<v Speaker 6>that Indiana Jones is, or to be more specific, grave robber.
<v Speaker 3>And I just want to say it a pertainer of
<v Speaker 3>rare antiquity as saying, why don't you sit down, It'll.
<v Speaker 6>Be more comfortable, because that's really what is Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 6>no doubt Raider was not a not a compliment.
<v Speaker 3>No, And he was stealing that idol from the Jovitos.
<v Speaker 6>Yes again, because he has absolutely no respect for the
<v Speaker 6>religious That's.
<v Speaker 4>Right, That's right.
<v Speaker 3>So here's how he needed Jones's story. Okay, go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>I mean the backstory on these two stories is really cool.
<v Speaker 3>I think so. George Lucas just finished wrapping Star Wars. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>Steven Spielberg just finished close encounters right, and had Jaws Joe.
<v Speaker 7>So Lucas and Spielberg take their wives at the time
<v Speaker 7>go on a joint vacation to Hawaii.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 7>They're staying at the Monaca Hotel on the Big Island
<v Speaker 7>and they're building the sand castle.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because that's what you do when you're the two
<v Speaker 6>greatest directors of the day, you go build a sandcastle.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. So Lucas is in Hawaii going I don't
<v Speaker 3>even want to think about Star Wars. I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what's going on back home.
<v Speaker 6>But you got to you gotta imagine that even with
<v Speaker 6>them obviously be in friends, and I don't know how
<v Speaker 6>their friendship developed.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how that started.
<v Speaker 6>We know that they're there in Hawaii together, but I
<v Speaker 6>don't know how they got introduced and decided to take
<v Speaker 6>the family vacation together. But there's got with all alpha
<v Speaker 6>characters like this, there's got to be this kind of
<v Speaker 6>hint of competition, and so I think that is kind
<v Speaker 6>of what inspires Lucas to ask Steven Spielberg, what are
<v Speaker 6>you planning.
<v Speaker 3>To do next? Sure? Absolutely well, they're both Titans now
<v Speaker 3>at this moment.
<v Speaker 7>Spielberg had Jaws and Lucas is back home. Star Wars
<v Speaker 7>is going through the roof right, which it was a
<v Speaker 7>nightmare production. He finally got it done and it's blowing up.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Jaws and Close Encounters American graffiti and Star Wars.
<v Speaker 3>American Graffiti was a huge hit. Yeah. Star Wars was
<v Speaker 3>a big question whether it was going to be a
<v Speaker 3>hit or not.
<v Speaker 7>Okay, So anyway, the building sand Castle, George Lucas says
<v Speaker 7>to Spielberg, what are you going to do next? And
<v Speaker 7>he says, I'm looking at trying to direct to James bondman,
<v Speaker 7>James Bond right right now. Of course, the Bond folks
<v Speaker 7>are like, no, some American can't come and direct this
<v Speaker 7>thing right right. I forget Jaws, You've never done James
<v Speaker 7>Bond right totally different, which I love James Bond.
<v Speaker 3>What do you know about actually.
<v Speaker 4>Stupid?
<v Speaker 7>So Lucas says, listen, dude, I got something way better
<v Speaker 7>than James Bond. Yes, and he proceeds to tell him.
<v Speaker 7>Indiana Smith, this archaeologist who is a serial type of
<v Speaker 7>guy and based on the serials that they watched of
<v Speaker 7>their youth, right, he wears a leather jacket, he has
<v Speaker 7>a fedora. I think in maybe a bullwhip, and he
<v Speaker 7>just kind of tells him just a little bit about it, right,
<v Speaker 7>and he says what he thinks.
<v Speaker 3>Bieler says, I want to direct that.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, And so that's really as much as George Lucas
<v Speaker 6>had at that moment. The story that Lawrence Caston tells,
<v Speaker 6>who is the writer of this a movie?
<v Speaker 3>Who is He's really the unsung hero.
<v Speaker 6>Oh he's He's brilliant, and you know, he just to
<v Speaker 6>tell his story. He is somebody who had loved movies
<v Speaker 6>from his childhood. He wants to be in movies his
<v Speaker 6>full life, but like many of us, ends up doing
<v Speaker 6>the safe thing and gets a job as an ad
<v Speaker 6>exec doing copyright stuff and has a child and you know, hey,
<v Speaker 6>the ad exec job paid for the marriage and a kid.
<v Speaker 6>But I wanted it to be in movies. I want
<v Speaker 6>to do movies. And so his wife's wanting another kid,
<v Speaker 6>he says, I'm not having another kid. As an ad
<v Speaker 6>exec where we need to go out to Hollywood and
<v Speaker 6>he finds his way out there and he's recognized for
<v Speaker 6>the quality of his work. He does some good work
<v Speaker 6>with Warner Brothers, and then as he's coming along, he says,
<v Speaker 6>I got this great script called Continental Divide. I'd like
<v Speaker 6>to take a look at one of the Warner Brothers guys.
<v Speaker 6>And the Warner brother guy reads it and says, I
<v Speaker 6>like it right, I'll show it to Stephen or George
<v Speaker 6>and see what they think about it. And he's like,
<v Speaker 6>who Steven Spielberg. George says, oh, okay, yeah, that'd be fine.
<v Speaker 6>And so then just a few, you know, a little
<v Speaker 6>bit of time passes. He sets up a meeting of
<v Speaker 6>Steven Spielberg and goes out and sees him on a set,
<v Speaker 6>sitting on a fake sidewalk, and Spielberg's got Condone Divide
<v Speaker 6>in his hand, and he says, I love this script,
<v Speaker 6>but I'm not going to direct it. I'll find somebody
<v Speaker 6>else to direct it. Let's not worry about that. What
<v Speaker 6>we like to talk to you about is writing another
<v Speaker 6>movie for us. And he's like, okay, all right, And
<v Speaker 6>he's like who's us And he's like, well, me and
<v Speaker 6>George Lucas. He's like, oh, okay, you mean the guy
<v Speaker 6>who did Star Wars, right, the guy who did, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>the biggest movie of all time, and yeah, you're the
<v Speaker 6>biggest director of all time. Okay, I'm interested. Let's see
<v Speaker 6>what that is. And so they get together. They meet,
<v Speaker 6>they have a really short meeting and George Lucas says
<v Speaker 6>exactly what you said. He's like, Okay, his name's going
<v Speaker 6>to be Indiana because we're naming him after my dog, right,
<v Speaker 6>and he's going to be based on those old series.
<v Speaker 6>He's going to have a f door, he's going to
<v Speaker 6>have a bull whit and I'm thinking maybe a leather jacket.
<v Speaker 6>Oh and the mcguffin here is the lock Stark of
<v Speaker 6>the Covenant. And Lawrence Kasson is like, okay, so what happens,
<v Speaker 6>that's your job, right, go for it. Yeah, and then
<v Speaker 6>he's like, okay, see you later. And kas and it
<v Speaker 6>was there with some other guy and they walk out
<v Speaker 6>and the like do we just get that? Is that
<v Speaker 6>what I mean? Are we writing this now? And when
<v Speaker 6>they got home there was a call from their agent
<v Speaker 6>and yes, they're on board. Kasin spends the next six
<v Speaker 6>months writing the script. He's he and George and Steven
<v Speaker 6>spent a little bit of time together to kind of
<v Speaker 6>iron out some ideas, and then he spent six months
<v Speaker 6>writing the script. He comes in, he hands it TOAs
<v Speaker 6>Lucas throws it on the table and says, let's get
<v Speaker 6>to lunch.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 6>They go eat lunch and he's like, listen, I'm in trouble.
<v Speaker 6>I've got these huge sets that are being built over
<v Speaker 6>in the UK right now, and the lady who is
<v Speaker 6>writing the script for my second Star Wars movie has
<v Speaker 6>passed away, and he's like, so I would like you
<v Speaker 6>to write Yeah, I'm in a big, big trouble.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 6>He's like, so I'd like you to write it. Eleanor's
<v Speaker 6>CA's like, do you want to read Creators of the
<v Speaker 6>Laws Dark first? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll
<v Speaker 6>read that tonight. And if I don't like it, then
<v Speaker 6>this offer is with drunk.
<v Speaker 3>But apparently he liked it. Right, It's a pretty cool story.
<v Speaker 3>That's great.
<v Speaker 7>Can you imagine the type of pressure Okay, Star Wars Okay,
<v Speaker 7>I'm working on the sequel now on building sets and
<v Speaker 7>oh my writer just died.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, can you imagine being the guy who's who
<v Speaker 6>wrote Indiana Jones and Empire Strikes Back in the same year,
<v Speaker 6>I mean, and then and then you know, I don't
<v Speaker 6>know how far into shooting they were and how far
<v Speaker 6>into the script writing process. They were, but at some
<v Speaker 6>point George Lucas says to Lawrence Casten, Oh, by the way,
<v Speaker 6>Darth Vader's looks deack. No, he says, yes, oh, no,
<v Speaker 6>any guys ever go to Sunday School.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Great, that's this story of the beginning of Raiders. Let's
<v Speaker 6>talk about the beginning of Back to the Future. So
<v Speaker 6>Back in the Future was directed by Bob Zamachis Robert
<v Speaker 6>Macus and written by Bob Gail. Zamacis obviously was involved
<v Speaker 6>in the writing process, but largely it was it was
<v Speaker 6>Bob Gail who had done that. They had previously worked
<v Speaker 6>with Spielberg on a movie Paul nineteen forty one, which
<v Speaker 6>was kind of a flop for Spielberg. I still think
<v Speaker 6>it's a decent movie, but just didn't have a lot
<v Speaker 6>of appeal.
<v Speaker 3>That's true.
<v Speaker 7>And he did a movie called Used Cars, Yes, which
<v Speaker 7>is one of my favorites. I mean, it's an unsugn
<v Speaker 7>movie from the early eighties.
<v Speaker 3>It's a favorite. It's a cult favorite.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it wouldn't like it did Gangbusters at the box
<v Speaker 7>not at all, not at all. Now, the reason why
<v Speaker 7>they were able to do Back in the Future was
<v Speaker 7>this little sleeper hit in nineteen eighty four called Romancing
<v Speaker 7>the Stone.
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, Romancing the Stone was another great movie and
<v Speaker 6>so so much inspired by Indiana Jones.
<v Speaker 3>Right, no, now again.
<v Speaker 6>You have this very anti hero lead who's got a
<v Speaker 6>tougher girl to protects. It's it's very Indiana Jones, but
<v Speaker 6>stands on its own for sure. I loved it. I
<v Speaker 6>need to watch it against too long.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have to. I'm Romancing the Stone at some point,
<v Speaker 3>absolutely so. But the script from the time of its
<v Speaker 3>inception to when it was completed, this was turned down
<v Speaker 3>forty four times.
<v Speaker 6>Right, Well, it was conceived in the early eighties, and
<v Speaker 6>this is what happened. Bob Gail was going through some
<v Speaker 6>of his dad's old yearbooks and he's looking through and
<v Speaker 6>he sees a picture of his dad and it says
<v Speaker 6>class president on the bottom of it, and he's like,
<v Speaker 6>my dad was the class right, And his thought is,
<v Speaker 6>I mean this kind of tells you his perspective. He
<v Speaker 6>was like, you guys know, class presidents, they're all a holes.
<v Speaker 6>He's like, would I even have liked my dad if
<v Speaker 6>I had gone to high school with him? And that
<v Speaker 6>was the impetus for the whole script that's it, which
<v Speaker 6>is I mean, and it continues through like it lasted.
<v Speaker 6>They started pitching this thing in the early eighties. They
<v Speaker 6>started pitching this around the time that Raiders had come out,
<v Speaker 6>and didn't get green light on it until eighty four.
<v Speaker 6>They had pitched it to all kinds of studios that
<v Speaker 6>reject it because it wasn't raunchy enough, which is odd,
<v Speaker 6>you know, And I mean, you think about the movies
<v Speaker 6>at that time. You've got risky business, you've got Porky's,
<v Speaker 6>you got all these right, let's go show some movies
<v Speaker 6>for no reason at all things, which is one of
<v Speaker 6>the things to my dad would complain about, that's a
<v Speaker 6>good movie. I wish they didn't have to do this
<v Speaker 6>so that you can't watch it.
<v Speaker 3>She said, yeah, that's all reason.
<v Speaker 6>And so it wasn't dirty enough, and so finally somebody said,
<v Speaker 6>why don't you pitch it to Disney, And so they
<v Speaker 6>go to Disney with it, and the Disney Disney's like,
<v Speaker 6>the mom is kissing the sun. We're Disney, for goodness sake,
<v Speaker 6>we can't make this right. And so they're like, gosh,
<v Speaker 6>you know, nothing to be done. But they do Romancing
<v Speaker 6>the Stone and Steven Spielberg kind of swings in and
<v Speaker 6>saves the day on this. He's like, let's let's make
<v Speaker 6>this happen.
<v Speaker 7>Actually, when Bob Gail brought that idea to Bob's, Mecas
<v Speaker 7>Yeah said, Hey, my dad was class president and I
<v Speaker 7>saw the yearbook and I thought, would I even be
<v Speaker 7>friends with this guy?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? If I was there at the time.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And Bob z and Mecas's addition to that was, what
<v Speaker 3>if you found out that your mom was the town slut?
<v Speaker 4>Yes?
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