Cattitude - Episode 275 Traveling Cats & Spooky Chats with Vanessa Morgan

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Vanessa Morgan. She
<v Speaker 3>is an author. She is a screenwriter. She runs a
<v Speaker 3>website called Traveling Cats. She's done a lot for the
<v Speaker 3>cat world. Welcome Vanessa, Welcome to Cat.
<v Speaker 1>Hello, thank you so much for having me.
<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited to have you. This is interesting that
<v Speaker 3>you're on the show, and I'm so glad you're on
<v Speaker 3>the show because we featured your book on a previous
<v Speaker 3>episode of CTA Tude. The title was Kats and Horror,
<v Speaker 3>Sci Fi and Fantasy Movies, and my guest was Christopher
<v Speaker 3>Robinson and it was very very interesting book, and I
<v Speaker 3>guess he got in touch with you and he reached
<v Speaker 3>out and tonight you're on to talk about yourself.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.
<v Speaker 3>So it's very exciting to have you. Can you share
<v Speaker 3>a little bit about your background for our listeners.
<v Speaker 1>I think, first and foremost, I'm really a writer, writer, publisher.
<v Speaker 1>I think the main things I'm doing is I'm writing
<v Speaker 1>about gets and about horror movies, and sometimes the two combined,
<v Speaker 1>not always, but yeah, it's always gets, oh horror.
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing cat Tude since twenty seventeen, so what
<v Speaker 3>is that about? Close to eight years? And it's kind
<v Speaker 3>of a thing. Cats and horror movies not you know
<v Speaker 3>all the time, but it is a thing. You don't
<v Speaker 3>hear as much with dogs and horror movies. Wolves, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they're more like wolves dogs, they're not like regular dogs.
<v Speaker 3>So but cats, all kinds of cats and horror movies.
<v Speaker 3>Why is that?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I wouldn't necessarily agree that earned any horror movies
<v Speaker 1>with dogs because that will actually be my next book. Ah,
<v Speaker 1>because there are quite a lot of them also. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>cats and horn that's indeed the thing as well, And
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it goes back to really like medieval
<v Speaker 1>times and even from way before when the cats were
<v Speaker 1>associated with witchcraft, with the plaque and everything, and also
<v Speaker 1>just because even way before that, when yeah, there wasn't
<v Speaker 1>that much knowledge cats were really they seemed a little
<v Speaker 1>bit scary to some people because they prowled at night
<v Speaker 1>and they had some scary eyes at night and everything,
<v Speaker 1>and that led to quite a lot of superstition actually,
<v Speaker 1>and that really aggravated during the times of witchcraft in
<v Speaker 1>which they said that black cats in particular where which
<v Speaker 1>is familiars And then unfortunately a lot of these cats
<v Speaker 1>were executed back then, and that was really even worse
<v Speaker 1>when the plaque started and that they even more cats
<v Speaker 1>got executed for that reason as well, and that kind
<v Speaker 1>of started it all, like to combine cats with fur
<v Speaker 1>and witchcraft. So what really changed everything was when Edgar
<v Speaker 1>Alla and Po published his short story The Black Cats.
<v Speaker 1>When that became public domain, a lot of movies started
<v Speaker 1>to get made, not only based on that phone, but
<v Speaker 1>sometimes they were just like using the word a black
<v Speaker 1>cat in the title just to cash in on the
<v Speaker 1>popularity of the right and sometimes just like putting a
<v Speaker 1>black getting there and combining it with horror or with
<v Speaker 1>a mystery element. And that's kind of started to the
<v Speaker 1>whole idea that gets had somehow linked to horror, to
<v Speaker 1>the mysterious.
<v Speaker 3>I think you're right, and we've done a lot of
<v Speaker 3>shows on Catitude about black cats because there's a lot
<v Speaker 3>of stigma around them, and that's another rabbit hole. So
<v Speaker 3>that would be the whole show just on itself. But
<v Speaker 3>I think also people don't understand cats. They're not as
<v Speaker 3>easy to read as say a dog is. And I
<v Speaker 3>know dogs could be scary, that's for sure, So yeah,
<v Speaker 3>them scary in your next book. But cats, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they're they're stoic creatures. They're not as easy to read,
<v Speaker 3>not as easy to understand, and they're they're mystical, and
<v Speaker 3>they've been very much hyped up in the world of mystique,
<v Speaker 3>even in TV shows, even in TV shoes that are
<v Speaker 3>not scary with talking cats and everything. So yeah, that's
<v Speaker 3>I think a good enough explanation of why there's so
<v Speaker 3>many cats in horror movies.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but at the same time, but also I think
<v Speaker 1>is interesting when when you have a look at all
<v Speaker 1>the movies that are being disgusting, my book me out
<v Speaker 1>cats in horror is that a lot of the times
<v Speaker 1>the cats in these movies aren't really the bad guys.
<v Speaker 1>They're actually more of like the hero who are helping out,
<v Speaker 1>like catching the real bad guys, the humans who are
<v Speaker 1>doing bad stuff. And of course, yeah, there are a
<v Speaker 1>couple of films where the cats are bad, but they're
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a minority.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I could see that what led you to love
<v Speaker 3>horror movies because we're kind of opposite in this. I
<v Speaker 3>cannot watch a horror movie because I appreciate them, but
<v Speaker 3>I can't sleep.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get that. I hear that a lot from
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people.
<v Speaker 3>But you not only love them, you write them. So
<v Speaker 3>where does this love of horror movies come from? Do
<v Speaker 3>you think?
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really for me, that it's a way
<v Speaker 1>unconscious to like maybe process my own fears because when
<v Speaker 1>I was like a child, I was really afraid of
<v Speaker 1>so many things. It was really exaggerated. And my philosophy
<v Speaker 1>is that these horror movies and the scary stories, especially
<v Speaker 1>the ones where the horror doesn't seem real at all,
<v Speaker 1>where everything is exaggerated, that it's kind of helped me
<v Speaker 1>to process these feares. But on the other hand, I
<v Speaker 1>really have a hard time watching the news, for example,
<v Speaker 1>because that is real horror, and for me, that's a
<v Speaker 1>lot more difficult to process than horror movies, which are
<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, something fun and it's not real.
<v Speaker 3>You hit done something very true. Watching the news these days,
<v Speaker 3>especially we're based in the US, we are grateful that
<v Speaker 3>you're able to do the show because it's later in
<v Speaker 3>the afternoon here you're in Belgium and we're not going
<v Speaker 3>to talk politics. But I've had shows with people out
<v Speaker 3>the country not since current politics, and I can't even
<v Speaker 3>imagine what people outside this country think of the US.
<v Speaker 3>But yes, watching the news these days is scary.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, indeed. Indeed, I also think that this is one
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons I think maybe that we love bets
<v Speaker 1>so much because they really remind us also fold the
<v Speaker 1>good things in life.
<v Speaker 3>Very true, and they are non judgmental. They have unconditional
<v Speaker 3>love for us. And we're going to take a short break.
<v Speaker 3>We're going to come back and talk about your amazing book.
<v Speaker 3>It such a beautiful testament, such a beautiful memoir, your
<v Speaker 3>book avalon. So we'll be right back.
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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, everybody, we're talking to the NASA Morgan and
<v Speaker 3>she is an author. She went to website called Traveling Cats.
<v Speaker 3>She wrote a memoir for her cat, Avalon, and she
<v Speaker 3>writes thrillers. So tell us about Avalon, which was a
<v Speaker 3>beautiful book.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Avalon was my real life cat and my first cat,
<v Speaker 1>and of course, as we all know, our first cats, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we love them with the idea that they're going to
<v Speaker 1>live forever because I got them when I was quite young.
<v Speaker 1>And then, yeah, when you're young, you always have the
<v Speaker 1>impression that your entire life is in front of you,
<v Speaker 1>that the cat's life is going to last for decades
<v Speaker 1>and decades in decades, and so I got attached really
<v Speaker 1>fast to that cat and with a lot of passion.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, when he passed away, it was really an
<v Speaker 1>entire process of grieving because it was kind of my
<v Speaker 1>first loss as well. In life and at the same time, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I wrote about this loss and everything that the cat
<v Speaker 1>meant to me in his memoir A Alone, So that
<v Speaker 1>was the name of the cat, and it was a
<v Speaker 1>book that I wrote just after he passed away. So
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to do something to commemorize that cat
<v Speaker 1>and to do something like yeah, that I could remember
<v Speaker 1>him by. And it kind of like, even though it
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of funny moments, I think because my
<v Speaker 1>cat was also a horror movie star and it was
<v Speaker 1>really quite a character both on sets and at home.
<v Speaker 1>It was almost too intelligent for a cat. But at
<v Speaker 1>the same time it became yeah, really like a very
<v Speaker 1>very personal and honest story because because I realized that
<v Speaker 1>my attachment to that cat wasn't the usual attachment like
<v Speaker 1>many other people, they didn't have the same love for
<v Speaker 1>their cat, or maybe they did, but they didn't want
<v Speaker 1>to express it, because I think there's still kind of
<v Speaker 1>a taboo around that that people, Yeah, you can say
<v Speaker 1>you love your cat, but you're not allowed to say
<v Speaker 1>that you love a cat more than a human being,
<v Speaker 1>for example, And that certainly wasn't my case, because I
<v Speaker 1>loved my cat awful on more than anything else. And
<v Speaker 1>it was also because I had, like at that point,
<v Speaker 1>I think I've grown a lot since then, but at
<v Speaker 1>that point I really had a lot of difficult relationships
<v Speaker 1>with the people in my life. I had a difficult
<v Speaker 1>relationship with my family, and all of that led to
<v Speaker 1>me being very attached to this cat who gave me,
<v Speaker 1>for the first time in my life, this unconditional love,
<v Speaker 1>which was something that I'd never experienced before. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it really became a very very personal story. And I
<v Speaker 1>remember that when I wrote it, I was like, even
<v Speaker 1>though I did it to commemorate the cat, I always
<v Speaker 1>really thinking, like, I hope no one will ever read
<v Speaker 1>this story because you know, I'm so vulnerable in this
<v Speaker 1>and I share things in it that, yeah, I never
<v Speaker 1>air share with anyone else before.
<v Speaker 3>That's what makes it lovely. And it was probably I
<v Speaker 3>mean you probably a bad about it that it was
<v Speaker 3>somewhat cathartic in a sent in writing it.
<v Speaker 1>And not immediately. I think it was one of the
<v Speaker 1>hardest things I've ever done because it really forced me
<v Speaker 1>to be, yeah, to be honest about a lot of
<v Speaker 1>things that I was suppressing, like the feeling that I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't good in it, for example, stuff like that, or
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't feel love, that I wasn't like lucky
<v Speaker 1>in life. All these things. Those were feelings that I
<v Speaker 1>just I didn't care sharing them with other people. It
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like my secret. And yeah, writing about
<v Speaker 1>my cataph alone really forced me to do that, but
<v Speaker 1>it was much later that it really helped me to Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>to deal with these emotions as well. But I think
<v Speaker 1>writing it was super hard because you're kind of like
<v Speaker 1>reliving all those moments as well, and because I just
<v Speaker 1>my catch just passed away. It's kind of made it
<v Speaker 1>hard as well because I was only be able to
<v Speaker 1>process the grief once I stopped writing the book. Once
<v Speaker 1>the book was finished.
<v Speaker 3>And it never goes away the griefs.
<v Speaker 1>We continue to love them like forever. It's been now
<v Speaker 1>more than ten years since he's gone Avalon, and yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I still love him. It doesn't change.
<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this Avalon was a rare breed,
<v Speaker 3>a Turkish van cat, which is very rare, and you
<v Speaker 3>found him.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was such a weird story. Also, because or.
<v Speaker 3>You tell the story, I have this question, do you
<v Speaker 3>think that it was more than a chance situation or
<v Speaker 3>a coincidence.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it looks like it, doesn't it.
<v Speaker 3>He was meant to be there for you to find,
<v Speaker 3>so you could go through this period with him.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe, Yeah, that's very possible. It's always hard to tell,
<v Speaker 1>of course, because we never have proof for these kinds
<v Speaker 1>of the but yeah, the story is so weird that, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's always a possibility, of course.
<v Speaker 3>What's so rare about the breed and what's so unusual
<v Speaker 3>that you just happen to find them? If you can
<v Speaker 3>share that.
<v Speaker 1>Well, like you said, the breed is really rare. And
<v Speaker 1>back then, before I met Avalon, I was always telling
<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend back then that I really wanted to have
<v Speaker 1>a Turkish ven cat one day and I thought about
<v Speaker 1>adopting one, and I was looking for a breeder, but
<v Speaker 1>they just didn't exist in my country and they were
<v Speaker 1>super hard to find. And I went to trade shows
<v Speaker 1>and everything, I just couldn't find a Turkish van cat.
<v Speaker 1>But for me, they were really I was really like,
<v Speaker 1>it was hard to say why because usually I'm all
<v Speaker 1>for adopting shelter cats. That's what I'm always aiming towards.
<v Speaker 1>I'm always telling people, no, don't go for a breed,
<v Speaker 1>you have to go to a shelter, but I was
<v Speaker 1>really really attached to that idea of a Turkish fan cat.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't say why, but for me it was a thing
<v Speaker 1>like there's something about it. I want to have a
<v Speaker 1>Turkish van cat one day, but I just couldn't find it.
<v Speaker 1>And then one evening, I was coming back from a
<v Speaker 1>horror film festival, which is also one of my main passions.
<v Speaker 1>It's going to film festivals and horror film festivals. And
<v Speaker 1>it was an evening that I saw the movie Avalon,
<v Speaker 1>which is like a Polish Japanese movie. And that evening,
<v Speaker 1>just before I got home, we parked a car in
<v Speaker 1>our street and we got out of the car and Avalon,
<v Speaker 1>my cat was sitting right here was coming towards me,
<v Speaker 1>and I was going to like, I can't believe my eyes,
<v Speaker 1>this looks really like a Turkish ven cat. It's exactly
<v Speaker 1>the same cat. I've never seen him in the neighborhood.
<v Speaker 1>And the cat it was almost like he recognized me
<v Speaker 1>when he saw me, and he followed me home, which
<v Speaker 1>also thought was sweet because when does a cat follow
<v Speaker 1>you home? And I was thinking like, Okay, maybe he's
<v Speaker 1>lost or yeah, he can't find his family anymore. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the cats. Just he wanted to come home with me.
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to stay inside if I was trying to
<v Speaker 1>let him in the street. And then yeah, for a
<v Speaker 1>few days I was, Yeah, I was keeping him, but
<v Speaker 1>at the same time looking for who could have lost him,
<v Speaker 1>if there were any messages online or in the street,
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't find anything. And so yeah, little by little,
<v Speaker 1>these Turkish fan cats became my cats.
<v Speaker 3>In the book, you described some of his antics, and
<v Speaker 3>I want people to read the books. I weren't go
<v Speaker 3>into too much detail, but I mean, he did some
<v Speaker 3>crazy things.
<v Speaker 1>That's the least you can see.
<v Speaker 3>I have three cats right now, and they all have
<v Speaker 3>their special craziness. But like you would vomit on your
<v Speaker 3>guinea pig's head, like you wanted the things before I
<v Speaker 3>got cats, as I was always concerned they would be
<v Speaker 3>jumpers and jump and knock over things. And I had that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little bit of that anxiety prior to
<v Speaker 3>having cats, because I didn't have cats as a child
<v Speaker 3>and we had dogs. Dennis was my first cat. And
<v Speaker 3>none of them are jumpers, none of them are flyers,
<v Speaker 3>but avalone like flew all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, But also I think he had too much energy,
<v Speaker 1>and he was definitely a neurotic cat. He was very jealous,
<v Speaker 1>very neurotic. I really think like if there could be
<v Speaker 1>like something like a cat shrink or something, oh boy,
<v Speaker 1>that would have been really good for him. I never
<v Speaker 1>want to see one. But honestly, I think he had
<v Speaker 1>a few issues, and that's combined with like having too
<v Speaker 1>much energy, the psychological problems. He was all over the place,
<v Speaker 1>and especially he was so extremely jealous of people and
<v Speaker 1>other animals. It was crazy. And again that's combined with
<v Speaker 1>his super intelligence. Just to give an example, it's also
<v Speaker 1>an example that I describe in the book, and I
<v Speaker 1>really think he describes well, like how intelligent he was.
<v Speaker 1>At a certain point, I was dating someone and the
<v Speaker 1>cat just didn't agree. So what did he do when
<v Speaker 1>all is mewing and trying to do the usual antics
<v Speaker 1>to show him that the guy wasn't welcome in our home.
<v Speaker 1>He just took his jacket, dragged it toward the front door,
<v Speaker 1>and then he started tapping the keys with his pause
<v Speaker 1>really like to say, get out of here. And honestly,
<v Speaker 1>the message was clear.
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of a cat or even a dog
<v Speaker 1>doing saying so that.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe a dog, maybe that would be a stretch a cat,
<v Speaker 3>get it. I mean my cats they don't want to
<v Speaker 3>be bothered. That's too much trouble. They would just pit
<v Speaker 3>their pop and just swipe or something. Yeah, the person,
<v Speaker 3>but he was brilliant. Tell us about your current cats
<v Speaker 3>you have right now?
<v Speaker 5>Right?
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, my second cat passed away very recently.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>She was a little black cat and she was more
<v Speaker 1>than twenty years old, so yeah, she just got a
<v Speaker 1>bit too old and she passed away really suddenly a
<v Speaker 1>few months ago. So now I have just one other
<v Speaker 1>cat who is a previous shelter cat, a rescue cat,
<v Speaker 1>and his name is Fekna, and he's a ginger and
<v Speaker 1>he's definitely not as intelligent as Avalon, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 1>He's absolutely adorable.
<v Speaker 3>And how did you come about creating your website, Traveling Cat?
<v Speaker 3>And why I say that, I'm so sorry about the
<v Speaker 3>loss of your cat. It doesn't cut your your or
<v Speaker 3>and Avalon, but I know that's been a while, but
<v Speaker 3>your recent that's even yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I'm sorry
<v Speaker 3>for your lost your website, Traveling Cat, Why did you
<v Speaker 3>create it? And what's it about Traveling Cat?
<v Speaker 1>Is like a travel blog but for cat lovers. So
<v Speaker 1>I talk about cat centric destinations, cat cafes, and at
<v Speaker 1>the same time also talk a lot about how to
<v Speaker 1>help stray cats when you're broad like in Greece, because
<v Speaker 1>in quite a lot of countries a lot of the
<v Speaker 1>straycats really need help. And the way tourists react, which
<v Speaker 1>are sometimes natural responses, such as feeding the cats in
<v Speaker 1>restaurants and everything, can sometimes do a lot more harm
<v Speaker 1>than good. But the basic idea for the website is
<v Speaker 1>just have something fun, and it's really about mixing the
<v Speaker 1>beauty of cats with the beauty of some destinations. And
<v Speaker 1>it really started like a long time ago as of
<v Speaker 1>just the photo block. Actually it was almost it was
<v Speaker 1>before Instagram when I started this, and so it was
<v Speaker 1>a little bit similar where I just posted the photos
<v Speaker 1>but not really articles. But now it's really become like
<v Speaker 1>a real travel websites where I really have in depth article.
<v Speaker 1>So it changed a lot over the years. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>for me, when I started it, at a certain point,
<v Speaker 1>I was going through some of my travel photos back
<v Speaker 1>then and I was thinking like, huh, I have actually
<v Speaker 1>more photos of cats than of the destination itself. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like gave me the idea like maybe
<v Speaker 1>I could just share them online, and because I thought
<v Speaker 1>it were so cute to all these photos and I
<v Speaker 1>thought it can be really fun to share them with people,
<v Speaker 1>and that's how it started.
<v Speaker 3>They're great pictures. Which country do you think is the
<v Speaker 3>most obsessed about cats? And I know that in Greece
<v Speaker 3>there's an island just for cats, and I have had
<v Speaker 3>someone on Ctitude that runs a shelter in Greece, which
<v Speaker 3>is exciting. So yes, I think it's probably Greece. But
<v Speaker 3>traveling cats is your creations. You probably know a lot more.
<v Speaker 3>What country you think is more obsessed cat centric?
<v Speaker 1>I should say, Well, I would definitely not say Greece,
<v Speaker 1>not at all, even because it's true that in Greece
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of cats, but they are almost
<v Speaker 1>all strays and spain uturing is still not an option there.
<v Speaker 1>Little by little it's starting to change and more people
<v Speaker 1>are doing it, But in Greece, in fact, cats are
<v Speaker 1>still very much seen as vermin.
<v Speaker 3>Ain't you for correcting me because I'm way off? So
<v Speaker 3>what country is best about their cats that you think?
<v Speaker 1>Well, recently there has been a study about it and
<v Speaker 1>it seems that it's that the country that is best
<v Speaker 1>for their cats, that it's Belgium where I'm coming from.
<v Speaker 1>And I was surprised and not surprised at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>because when I think about it, Belgium is also the
<v Speaker 1>country with the most cat cafes per square kilometer. It's
<v Speaker 1>a super tiny country here, but we have no less
<v Speaker 1>nineteen cat cafes.
<v Speaker 3>That's a lot.
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot, indeed, right, And it's true that here
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of dolls in place to protect the cats.
<v Speaker 1>Spaying and neutraine is normal. We are pampering our cats,
<v Speaker 1>and it's true that a lot of people here have
<v Speaker 1>cats as well. So yeah, for that reason, I'm not surprised.
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, yeah, it's true that, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>countries like Greece, if you want to see a lot
<v Speaker 1>of cats in one place, then you have to go
<v Speaker 1>to Greece because cats are everywhere. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>these are not happy cats.
<v Speaker 3>Now that I'm remembering my show from Greece, I think
<v Speaker 3>we had a lot of talk about that. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know why to mine, but I'm glad we talked about that.
<v Speaker 3>So who knew that Belgium besides being known for chocolate
<v Speaker 3>and a beautiful country. You're also very cat powered and
<v Speaker 3>cat family. Yes, I know it's not the US because
<v Speaker 3>we have such a ways to go. There's too many
<v Speaker 3>cats that are euthanized in this country. We're doing better,
<v Speaker 3>but we have a long way to go, Niah Vanessa.
<v Speaker 3>Where can people find out more about you? And what
<v Speaker 3>is the URL for your Traveling Cats site? And where
<v Speaker 3>can they find out about your books and what your
<v Speaker 3>upcoming book is going to be about? For those that
<v Speaker 3>are listening work ctitude, but there might be some people
<v Speaker 3>listening that have dogs or maybe they love cats. They
<v Speaker 3>want to see a dog in a horror book for
<v Speaker 3>a change. So where can people find out more about
<v Speaker 3>your site? Your site traveling Cats, and about you and
<v Speaker 3>what you've done.
<v Speaker 1>So my site Traveling Cats, it's really like traveling hyphen
<v Speaker 1>gets dot com and there you can also find my
<v Speaker 1>social media that are related to traveling Cats. So I'm
<v Speaker 1>a bit everywhere. I'm on X, on Facebook, on Blue Sky,
<v Speaker 1>especially on Facebook, have a Traveling Cats group where everyone
<v Speaker 1>can post their own travel photos of cats, but also
<v Speaker 1>ask for help regarding straits they found in other countries,
<v Speaker 1>for example. So definitely go ahead and subscribe to the
<v Speaker 1>Facebook group of Traveling Cats and post your own pictures.
<v Speaker 1>Also retweet pictures if you tag me on x or
<v Speaker 1>on Blue Sky for example. I'm a little bit on
<v Speaker 1>YouTube as well, not as much, and on Instagram of course,
<v Speaker 1>also with Traveling Cats. And on the other hand, if
<v Speaker 1>you want to know more about my books, I also
<v Speaker 1>have my personal social media, which is either Vanessa organ
<v Speaker 1>or Eerie Stories on a lot of these accounts, But
<v Speaker 1>be careful because there are two Vanessa Organs. Apparently there's
<v Speaker 1>also a Vanessa Morgan who is an actress, and that's
<v Speaker 1>not me.
<v Speaker 3>I did do some googling and looking around and I
<v Speaker 3>did find another Vanessa Morgan.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but if I think if you type something like
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa Morgan cats, or if you don't see any cats
<v Speaker 1>on our social media, then it's not me.
<v Speaker 3>Right. Well, wonderful information, wonderful to talk to you. What
<v Speaker 3>can we look forward to coming from you next?
<v Speaker 1>Well, my next book will be about dogs in horse
<v Speaker 1>sci fi and fantasy movies. And there are a lot
<v Speaker 1>of movies as well with dogs in them. And apart
<v Speaker 1>from that, I'm also working very hard on Traveling Gets
<v Speaker 1>for the moment to get more articles ready, to visit
<v Speaker 1>more destinations, and to really spread the words about how
<v Speaker 1>to help stray cats when you're abroad, because I really
<v Speaker 1>think that spreading the right information about it is really important.
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely agree, absolutely agree. Oh, I want to thank
<v Speaker 3>you so much for coming on Gratitude.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.
<v Speaker 3>I hope you all enjoyed this show, this episode of
<v Speaker 3>Ctitude with Vanessa mor again, I loved having her on
<v Speaker 3>the show. Thank you Vanessa for coming on Catitude. Thanks
<v Speaker 3>to my cat crew, Dennis, my first cad who taught
<v Speaker 3>me all about cats, Molly and Charlotte, and of course
<v Speaker 3>thank you for listening to Catitude. I greatly appreciate it,
<v Speaker 3>and this show would not be the same without the
<v Speaker 3>magic of my producer, Mark Winter. And hey remember lose
<v Speaker 3>to Attitude, Have Catitude.
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