The One About Fertility, Facelifts & the Real Housewives’ Closets with Gigi Gorgeous

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Speaker 1: Hello, Gorgeous. It is Lala.

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Speaker 2: I can't welcome back to the give Them Lalla podcast. Me saying hello gorgeous has a whole new meaning today because I have Gigi Gorgeous on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, hey, hey, oh my god, I'm so excited to be here. What a level up. We were just saying before we started recording, like you kill it, like this looks so great.

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Speaker 2: So JIEJZ.

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Speaker 1: The last time I had you, where were.

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Speaker 3: We We were in what I said was a kitchen. I thought we were in a kitchen. You had just had ocean yep, recently, right, Yes, never met the child, but I knew that it was in the other room. I heard the crying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard it.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, should I ask her like is this appropriate? But no, we were in a kitchen and it was like very like just stuff everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we're doing the damn thing.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we're like here, we record right here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, okay, so didn't need to clam no cameras necessary. Got it, and now look at us. Light's camera action is are Howard Stern kent.

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Speaker 2: Usually I'll have people come in and sit on the couch as my guess, and they're like, oh, it's like a casting couch, and I'm like, a legitimate one, A legitimate one.

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Speaker 3: Hello. So anybody that's watching at home or whatever, this is giving very much. What's watch what happens live? See how it's so little? Yeah, it gives that, Like if people were on the floor and the couch was filled, it would give that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, do we have a live audience every time we record?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Andy.

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Speaker 2: Cohen, you better watch your bag. I'm coming for your job. We are moving from New York City to Culver.

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Speaker 3: City, Culver CC, baby.

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Speaker 1: So before we get it, pop in.

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Speaker 2: I have these pillows that I was obsessed with when I first moved into my new home. Right they're dad and they started getting like knotted up, like the feathers would come together and just become like giant balls the feathers. So I went to Bloomingdale's and shout out to Bloomingdales right now at Century City Mall because they first asked, were you affected by the fire, and I obviously said, no, are these pillows for someone affected by the fire. I think they were giving out whatever they could discounts or anything for anybody who was affected by the fires in La. So I really loved that, but it got me to thinking, because I'm going to my bed is my sanctuary. So I like Fritta sheets, and I didn't know that Frette makes pillows, and I knew you were going to be on the pod, and you look well rested at all times.

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Speaker 1: I have to know.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite sheet brand or pillow brand?

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Speaker 3: I wish I did because that's very bougie. Okay, but I do not. I can sleep anywhere, oh really, yes, yes, I could sleep on a couch my head. I'm a two pillow girl sleeper. Okay, I need it like elevated.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, you don't have neck issues?

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Speaker 3: No, I think I would have them if I was on a one pillow like. I need it elevated so my spine is aligned. You love it? And I like the pillow in between my knees. Yes, so then the bones don't touch.

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Speaker 1: Then I don't like my bones touching either me neither.

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Speaker 3: So I need it like a like basically a pregnancy pillow.

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Speaker 4: How many pillows do you need altogether?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Ideally? Okay, so two for my head and my neck, one long one and if they're short too for the like to hug and then you know, cradle binnize and then maybe one for the back.

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Speaker 2: And are you.

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Speaker 1: A sexy sleeper?

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Speaker 2: Are you in like sweatpants, tasteful of oil?

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Speaker 3: Naked? Naked? Naked naked? Glazed doughnut? Always I run so hot, okay, and especially if I have like hair extensions in It's like bun up on the top of my head, nothing going on. And if I have any clothes on, it's like get them off me. I like radiate heat.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Is NAT's responsible for buying the bedding, then I'm so shocked. You don't know what type of sheets.

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Speaker 3: I really sleep on. I don't care, No, I just want it cold.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in I'm in charge with the thermostat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you sleep at? Sixty eight?

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Speaker 3: Sixty seven?

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Speaker 4: Sixty six?

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Speaker 3: Sixty six is great, it's like it's seventy three. I'm like, we can't, so we just can't.

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Speaker 2: That I would be sweating.

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Speaker 3: Do you run hot?

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Speaker 1: I'm a solid sixty nine er sixty.

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Speaker 3: Nine Okay, that's that's that's doable. That's doable. But it's a little hot. Wow, yea with a duvet and you, Yeah, you're really getting into it.

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Speaker 4: I could even go sixty four sixty five.

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Speaker 2: I don't we I would call it my pod because of course you.

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Speaker 4: Know no one.

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Speaker 2: So this is my brother gig.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Oh it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Oh no, it's great.

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Speaker 2: It's great. I love that you.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was laughing. By the way, for everyone listening, I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: When she walked in, she was like, what's your name? Easton said Easton. She was like, oh, like the fires. He was like, no, it's eaten. And then she immediately looks still confused. We're like, how do we break this down? Where does the s go?

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Speaker 3: We are making headway.

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Speaker 4: We're making friends. That's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have a house full of just family, my mother, my two children, Easton, and.

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Speaker 4: Then another roommate, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I know that on your social media you always have a jam packed house too.

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Speaker 3: I do so. Yeah, Nats and I went through a bunch of people that we used to live with. It was kind of like a like a sorority or fraternity or whatever. I never went to college.

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Speaker 2: I went, but they're in great company.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't like I was enrolled, didn't go, didn't attend, never even got like my class like card or whatever it's called. Yeah, so we yeah, we love just like company and bull and friends and stuff. But yeah, we've been together for so long. So yeah, there's been friends who have moved in, moved out. We're still in touch with people who we aren't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, evolution of life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have space. That's why I feel like it's like and I'm just very open arms, like what's yours is mine? Totally kind of vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're still in the same area that you were in. So do you right now have people living with you or is it just you and the hubs?

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Speaker 3: It's me and the hubs and our trainer and our three boys aka kittens. Oh yeah, my my babies right now. I want a fourth.

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Speaker 2: But that's a lot. That's a lot to take on a lot. Yeah, but at least, say, like shit in a box. You don't have to potty train to you.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, I guess we have to change it once in a while, but it's really not that drama.

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Speaker 2: No, And you can also cats are the types of fur babies that you can literally just like leave out the food and the water and be like I'm just going to pop into Palm Springs for a couple of days. Someone can stop by, like no one needs a walk exactly.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was just gonna say the walk thing that is so drama. Because I had a dog when I lived in Hollywood, right. She was a Yorkshire Terrier Okay, like probably I don't know, four or five pounds maybe, like a tiny little girl named Herbella. And I lived in Hollywood, so I was scared, and I was I lived alone, so I was scared to like go out and walk her. So I never gave her walks. I never took her outside. She was just in my two bedroom apartment, yeah Hollywood. So I felt so bad, so I ended up giving her away. But like I've always been such like a gregarious person where I'm like, oh, just like obsessed with just you know, having fun and living like you know. So I was like, she needs to feel that too.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: So cats like in our house now they feel that, and I kind of treat them like dogs, so they are very social and they're very fun. But yeah, a dog life was not for me.

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Speaker 2: I totally get it. It is a lot of work. And I feel like having a dog is like having a newborn baby forever, because it's not like they're ever self sufficient. You constantly have to take care of them. So I totally get it. You and Nats have been together for how long?

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Speaker 3: Now? Oh god, I'm so bud of a time because I mean nine years, eight years? Eight years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eight years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what I did last week, just.

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Speaker 4: So work clear. No, I love that after three years, it just all they're all.

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Speaker 3: The Yeah, I'm like, get my photo. I'm April twentieth Taurus aries cusp okay for twenty biggie.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I don't smoke weed.

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Speaker 2: I love I wish I did, I wish I did?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you would be as a high person.

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Speaker 3: I used to smoke a lot in high school.

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Speaker 2: And what were you like? Chill?

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Speaker 1: Paranoid?

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Speaker 3: Never paranoid? Now I used to be I yeah, I used to smoke a lot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love it, So did Easton. I read that you and that's we're on a fertility journey or you're still you're still on it.

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Speaker 3: Well I guess technically we're still on it. Yeah, but we went through years of trying to do the shots for him, the you know, samples for me and just all of that. But you know, I was on hormones for like ten years.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I gave a sample, so they were like, oh, there's like no viable sperm okay in this sample. So I was like, oh, gog, like I can't have biological children. And you always hear like women should freeze their eggs before a certain age, and then I found out that you should freeze your sperm before you you know, if you can if you have the means to, of course, but before you start transitioning, because the hormones will destroy your real sperm. Okay, So I got off hormones, did that whole thing. It was a journey for both of us. But now we have we're sitting on six embryos.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot, and those are all that's a great amount. So I'm hoping that this podcast we're gonna have a lot of fun. But when we're talking about, uh, your fertility journey with NATS, I want to turn this into, if you're okay with it, a learning experience. I want to have questions answered that maybe our listeners don't know about I want to humanize the experience because so often we're on social media. There's a lot going on in the world right now and a lot of people spewing whatever they spew. So I feel like you are the perfect person to kind of shed light on what a fertility journey looks like with two people who are in a trans relationship. So you have not transitioned the fully like I don't. I don't want to be offensive, Gigi.

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Speaker 3: Please no, trust me. I'm like the you can't offend me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm god, I've got I can nothing. Nothing that I say is coming with any ill intent. I hope that you know that, So just correct me. Correct me if I'm speaking ignorant.

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Speaker 3: I will, I will, I don't know, I I okay. So I don't know if that's completely correct to say that you are fully transitioned, because it looks different for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Educate me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I used to think the exact same way, you know, personally speaking. I mean, I know probably a lot of trans girls are listening to your podcast, and when I first started transitioning, I was like, you know what, I'm going to get my face done, my boob's done, my vagina done, I'm going to really just do it all. But then you know, life kind of comes at you and you experience life in a different way. And I never really needed the last surgery, and I was like, I'm happy with this, and if I were, I probably honestly were, I probably would have regretted it if I were to you done so fast, okay, yeah, because there's not much life experience there, you know, it's I honestly, I compare it a lot to like dating, Like your first love is you think it's like the end of the world, and then you meet somebody else and it's like, oh this, you know, this feels great again, and then you break up or whatever, you meet another person. It's just like life. It like goes on. So if you're not doing it for the right reasons, which I didn't intend to do it for the right reasons, I did it to attract others. Oh, it wasn't about my self happiness. So that's why I talked to so many trans girls now and they're like, oh, you know, I've talked to many. I won't name any obviously, but there's so many girls who have been like I did the bottom surgery because of insurance or because my country allowed it and it was just the right timing, and they're like, I really regret it, Like, wow, I can't orgasm the same. I can't, you know. I wish that I could go back in time and make a really a calculated decision.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I love that you used like the first love and you saying that you were thinking about it for the wrong reasons. Yes, So are you still in that headspace or are you happy where you are and there's nothing more that you feel you want to do? Like you're happy exactly how you are? Would you say that?

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Speaker 3: I would say I'm completely happy. I mean, there's always this itch because I'm like into beauty and like stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: We would have never guessed.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm like, when is my first facelift coming? Can? I? Like? I love it? Like, give me the Lindsay treatment.

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Speaker 2: She looks so fucked, she's so good.

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Speaker 3: I just need to know where she went. But yeah, I mean no, I'm completely happy, like down there and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, so that's a really huge deal. Then how long did you meaning that you got six you said healthy viable embryos? Yeah, how long did they have you go off of the hormones to get that.

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Speaker 3: I was off for maybe two years two total. Yeah, I still am actually off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah is that because we're doing another round or.

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Speaker 3: But I also love that kind of just feel good, like great, this is fine, you know.

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Speaker 2: And are you guys leaning towards a surrogate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, surrogate for sure. Nots would never carry. If I could carry, I honestly would for the lure. Okay, I think it would like destroy my body, but I would. And I know trans girls that have seen like on you know, Google or whatever or like Instagram, they've gotten uteruses like put in okay, and then a baby like as if they're yeah, so like that's a whole thing. But I feel like that's also a risk within itself, right, And I don't know, but yeah, have.

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Speaker 2: You seen that thing that I think it's Elon Musk how he's like created these robots where they can create the baby in their stomach for people who either can't carry and.

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Speaker 3: It's a real life baby.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like that's the idea. Yes, it's all coming.

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Speaker 3: To fruition wild.

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Speaker 4: That was like a movie, right.

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Speaker 2: No, we're living in a movie like Transformer or like that the one with who's the guy that slapped Chris Rock Will Smith that movie Robot. That's the world we're living in, where like, if you cannot carry there may be a version of a robot baking your baby for nine months.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel baby number three doing that?

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Speaker 2: You know what, I may be more open to it if I had a fertility issue, but because I think I've been able and lucky enough to carry my own children and them be healthy and myself be healthy, I'm like, I wouldn't ever choose that because I don't even have to think about that now if I wanted a third baby, But then I would start feeling like, girl, you got your two. There are people who are like, would die to just have one, like let them take the robots right right?

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I just feel like there would be issues though with it. Right Well, what I'm thinking like, like what if it rains that nutrition?

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Speaker 4: Where is the nutrition coming from?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist.

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Speaker 2: Like Jeeves said, we were enrolled in college. We never attended, never attend to this.

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Speaker 4: I've never attended.

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Speaker 2: So I Smart's baby street Smart and we're the podcast that only reads the headline.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure all of that was answered in the article, but.

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Speaker 4: I didn't really the time.

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Speaker 3: You have two babies, I have hair to curl.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about that? By the way, because I inquired about your hairline? Oh yeah, how do you went somewhere in the United States?

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Speaker 3: I went to what's his name? You're talking about my hairline surgery? Yes? Yes, doctor, it's something with a Z. He's in Beverly Hills, doctor Z.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what was how long before? So for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, Gigi, and there are other people that just don't fucking talk about it, which is why I appreciate you so much. Yes, because I was thinking about how open you are on socials and you there are girls who are going to see things on social media media and they're impressionable and they think this woman was just born this way and I wasn't. And it's like no, no, no, we're all getting some help. So I appreciate that you're so open about it. I do not have a fantastic hairline. So jiej posted a picture in a video of how she had hairline surgery to like fill it in, make it gorgeous. When you wear your hair bag, it is like chef's kiss. So that's what we're talking about. What was the recovery time like on that it was a few months.

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Speaker 3: It was like really intense. To be completely, it was oh yeah, like they they cut the bat like they cut a sliver. Are you familiar with his surgery?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: No, but he also wants it.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, let's see. I mean I don't Oh you're fine, yeah, but like he's funny about here. Everyone who isn't right, Like that's the spot spot.

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Speaker 4: A walk in there, but like, oh you're gut though, I think so, I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's thousands and thousands of dollars, So like if you aren't, like, are we talking like tens?

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Speaker 4: I want to bring it down.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I got like a five head, No, it's four fingers.

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Speaker 5: Look, I got bigger fingers.

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Speaker 3: Fingers.

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Speaker 2: You don't want your hairline to touch your braw.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I think you're good, but like for now, for.

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Speaker 4: Now, for now, guys, how are you thirty one?

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Speaker 3: Thirty one? I'm thirty two, So I feel like, by when do you guys start losing their hair? Well, I guess it's different for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's different for everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, okay, thirty five, I think that's that's go through enough stress.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they they cut the back right, yes, so the back of the head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so your face down, they like shoot you up with a bunch of like like humongous like it almost looks like did you ever watch a rocky horror picture show. No, I think that's the name of it. It's like it's like a camp musical okay with this like drag queen whatever. But it's like that size of a metal syringe, like it looked fake. When I saw it on the thing, I was like, oh, you have to be kidding me. It's literally like a foot long and pure like stainless steel, and.

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Speaker 4: It's got like the two finger holes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it looks like like uh like Halloween horrorites. Like it's fucking insane. I was like, that's going in the back of my head. So you go face down, they tape you up, they shave the back of your head where they're gonna take the sample from. They shoot you up with the metal needle. You feel nothing. You didn't feel it, Oh, it pinched like it felt like poison, like a like a like venom. I didn't feel anything. It felt like poison and it hurt, right, But after that nothing and then all of a sudden, they're, you know, cutting you open from the back.

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Speaker 2: Because they got to take the hair follicles out right, Yes, didn't you take a xanax before they give you?

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Speaker 3: What's it called valium? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Perfect?

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Speaker 3: And I kept yeah, And it was like an eight hour day, so I was like, can I have another valum? I think it's wearing off, and you're like watching TV. Once they flip you back over and sew you up, I know, and like literally your face is down. I have it all on YouTube if anybody wants to watch, or hairline surgery transplant whatever I named it probably back in that era like hair transplant, nightmare surgery, story time, click fait. But when I was down on my face, I felt the water coming down and it was almost like you're getting a massage. So your your your eyes and your mouth and your you know, nose or like covered. You can feel wet and like little did I know that was fully blood?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna trigger warning.

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Speaker 3: No, it was literally was gushing down. But you're so numb, you don't know. And then I watched because I had a videographer there, which you'll see in the thing. Uh, And I was like, I was gushing blood, but I just thought it was like a little bit of like serum or water washing my hair too. Yeah, and I'm blonde too, So when I flipped back over and I looked in the mirror, all my hair is blood red.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think I can do it.

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Speaker 3: G You're so out of it though. It's actually kind of relaxing. I'll be real, I swear to god. What is what is the Uh?

00:21:09
Speaker 4: How do you do you have to wear like a like a d or something you.

00:21:12
Speaker 3: Can't put you can't make it sweat, you can't get it hot, so you just have to let it chill.

00:21:18
Speaker 2: So what did you do? Just stay home in your your non brand sheets?

00:21:23
Speaker 3: I yes, but I also got you know, Lady Gaga Joanne yes album. I got those hats made from her person so it would just touch here, like on my forehead. Yeah, leave this.

00:21:35
Speaker 4: At so you can wear hats.

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Speaker 3: So we were yeah, because they still had to work. So I would put like a wig, attach it here and then put the huge cowboy hat on. That's so I still have like a little bit of length, and then the second I was done, I would rip it all off because I was like, I'm scared that it's getting too hot.

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Speaker 5: Oh the same I would have had to take work because I'm a I run hot too, and I'm a sweater.

00:21:55
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh I am too.

00:21:56
Speaker 2: Wait, so is this your Is this the hair?

00:21:58
Speaker 3: No? This is a wig?

00:21:59
Speaker 1: Oh that's a wig?

00:22:00
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:22:00
Speaker 1: Do you prefer wigs over like extensions for.

00:22:03
Speaker 3: Days like today?

00:22:05
Speaker 1: Why can you tell me easy?

00:22:06
Speaker 3: Easier?

00:22:07
Speaker 5: Do you?

00:22:08
Speaker 3: This is like already done and you have someone come over and do it. No, I do it myself.

00:22:12
Speaker 1: You put your own wig on?

00:22:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I style it and everything.

00:22:16
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm very impressed.

00:22:18
Speaker 3: I'm a nerd like that. I love like beauty, and I like I will sit and listen to a podcasts okay for like an hour and just like curl my hair and style it and set it and put it by my bath and like spray it with stuff.

00:22:30
Speaker 4: Gee.

00:22:30
Speaker 2: Do you do you have like a full video tutorial on how you put your wig on?

00:22:35
Speaker 3: No? This is glueless. This I just like put this on. I'm I can show you.

00:22:42
Speaker 4: Wow, I had no.

00:22:43
Speaker 2: Idea how how long is your You know Kim K prefers wigs.

00:22:48
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean because I don't know if she knows how to put one on.

00:22:50
Speaker 2: Okay, well no, I'm sure someone's putting them on for her.

00:22:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they probably install it. I prefer it because they last longer if you don't put glue or adhesive or anything on them. It's like a hat, okay, like you secure it to you and then like the part you pluck, like it's all artistry. When people are like, oh, can you do my wig for me, I'm like, well, nobody ever asked me that. But like when people ask wig people or hairstylists can you make a wig for me, It's like no, no, no, we have to see it on you. We have to like you can't buy a wig, no, or else you look like crazy during Pride in my green wig, and it's like, oh, but it's Pride though, so you have a you have a safe bear because no one looks crazy during Pride.

00:23:33
Speaker 2: I mean I felt really really good at Pride. I was like you know what, and I I think I had just gotten sober, so I had like the fresh like I haven't had a drink glow.

00:23:43
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, love that glow. I can imagine.

00:23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hadn't had kids yet, so my tits were up to my chin.

00:23:49
Speaker 1: Sorry, Austin, can I can I ask you?

00:23:53
Speaker 3: So?

00:23:53
Speaker 2: Do you watch Real House? I was a Potomac?

00:23:55
Speaker 3: Is that the one which is l Yes, I've seen it, but I don't follow up. Do Salt Lake City, Orange County, Beverly Hills.

00:24:02
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we'll get into it. So there's a girl named Ashley on Potomac, short hair, short hair. She is so cute and she this last episode, it was so amazing, you guys. She did she was a drag king and her her mom and her uncle and her brother come to watch, and she like does this sexy like masculine dance.

00:24:26
Speaker 1: Right, she looks fucking hot.

00:24:28
Speaker 2: Rips her suit code open and she's got suspenders but just pasties on. And I'm like, okay, so hot, but like, I could never do that in front of like my uncle and my brother.

00:24:41
Speaker 1: With just pasties on my nipples.

00:24:43
Speaker 3: Well, you're glued right, like nothing.

00:24:45
Speaker 2: She was totally glued. Yeah, and like sall right, they're like a petite but fake. They look very good, like natural, very natural. But she was so in character right. So there's that's the first time that I had heard of drag king.

00:25:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:25:03
Speaker 2: I learned from a drag queen because I said I wanted to go I wanted to do a drag show, and they said, bio drag Is that correct?

00:25:12
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, honestly, I'm so like during bio is biological? Yes, So bio drag is you just wearing a ship ton of makeup, a ship ton of hair.

00:25:23
Speaker 1: And my drag glam.

00:25:25
Speaker 3: You're like a biological drag queen.

00:25:27
Speaker 2: That's what I gathered from it, so that during the green wig moment, I was channeling my bio drag moments.

00:25:35
Speaker 3: I need.

00:25:38
Speaker 1: Hair is a trigger alert?

00:25:40
Speaker 2: Okay, but my drag queen name is La La cunt Oh.

00:25:44
Speaker 3: That's so cute. That's cute, right, very cute.

00:25:47
Speaker 2: Don't stop listening to the podcast because I used the C word.

00:25:50
Speaker 3: You can. It's it's acceptable in the UK.

00:25:54
Speaker 4: It's all chocolate and beautiful. Wait, what is cunt oh love?

00:26:00
Speaker 1: Are you talking about a clip?

00:26:02
Speaker 3: No?

00:26:02
Speaker 4: The word how it comes off?

00:26:05
Speaker 3: So it's just milky and just I don't I A cunt is like a knife. It sounds like the knife emoji. How I feel about it cut it's like it cuts deep, or if it's like, oh my god, you look so cunt.

00:26:19
Speaker 2: That is the dancing girl.

00:26:20
Speaker 3: That's cute.

00:26:21
Speaker 4: What's it called? Yeah, yeah, buddy. I got into the car and he told me I was serving cunt. Was that good?

00:26:26
Speaker 1: That's yes, that's great.

00:26:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:26:28
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to serve Yeah, yeah.

00:26:30
Speaker 5: I don't know it we all don't it, my friend, he said, I get home, you feel pretty fucking good.

00:26:36
Speaker 3: Yeah. It should. It should unless someone's like literally calling you a hunt. But other I mean, sometimes it can be good.

00:26:42
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna have a word with this gentleman.

00:26:46
Speaker 2: By the way, I think it would make a great housewife.

00:26:48
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: How do we petition this?

00:26:51
Speaker 3: I have been put up for it, I think one or two times, and I was told that I was too young. That would make it makes sense too well. I looked up the youngest housewife. I forget who it was, but there were like a couple that were my age, and I feel like one younger different cities, though different cities not Beverly Hills.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: That would make sense because back in the OC days there was Megan King, but she black hair, she had dark hair, and then she was married to the baseball player who was like twenty years older. She was only on for a few seasons, but she did make a splash. But she was thirty when she entered housewife.

00:27:26
Speaker 3: Right, and now they're like, you need kids, you need to have a divorce already, second marriage, you know, you need to be like like thirty, Like you need more baggage.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a lot of baggage, but experience, but it's a little bit more experience exactly.

00:27:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, quote unquote yeah, eye roll attached to that. I feel like, also a lot of them now aren't even married or with anyone.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: Right, A lot of them are like I've been divorced for twelve years.

00:27:51
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have kids.

00:27:54
Speaker 3: Or not even dating. Probably right, It's like they're just single girls. You're a housewife, how right?

00:28:00
Speaker 4: How many the game has changed?

00:28:02
Speaker 2: The girls in New York, I want to say, are mid to late thirties and into forties, and I think Jenna Lliance might be fifties.

00:28:10
Speaker 4: And yeah, how many of them are married? I don't think any of them are.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: All of them are either married or in a relationship, but most of them are divorced, but I feel like you have all of you have kids.

00:28:22
Speaker 1: They're for kids, but kids are kids?

00:28:24
Speaker 3: Three kids? Yeah, well six on ice, six on ice, I get cast I have a kid. I'm like, here, bravo, you're.

00:28:33
Speaker 2: Married with kids. That's the criteria you have to meet. Yeah, which one is your favorite of all of the Housewives franchises?

00:28:41
Speaker 3: Ooh, good question. I mean currently, I love Beverly Hills. I've always loved Beverly Hills.

00:28:47
Speaker 2: I think if you could go in and raid anyone's closet, who's would it be? On BH?

00:28:53
Speaker 3: On BH? Yeah, maybe Sutton. She's like the most.

00:28:57
Speaker 1: Rich, totally not what I was expecting.

00:29:00
Speaker 3: You expected Eric Dane.

00:29:02
Speaker 2: I was thinking maybe Deret and then and then as I watched her, I was like, maybe Erica Jane.

00:29:07
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's a little bit too predictable for jeez.

00:29:10
Speaker 2: Shutton, I think is just like unlimited. Oh yeah, like anything. Well, same with Jennifer Tilly. Now that bitch has Simpson money.

00:29:18
Speaker 3: Oh she's so cute. I don't think that we would vibe though.

00:29:21
Speaker 2: Her personality or your closet both.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: I don't even know what she wears.

00:29:25
Speaker 2: Well, she had that thirty six thousand dollars Louis Vuitton.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: Boat Oh I love her closet. I'm obsessed.

00:29:32
Speaker 2: He right, so good? Wait, why do you think you wouldn't vibe?

00:29:35
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've just never really seen a scene of her where I'm like, I love her.

00:29:39
Speaker 2: You want to know what's great about being Jennifer Tilly, though, Yeah? Is that you're so fucking rich that you can just be a friend of You're like, I don't really give a fuck, don't pay attention to me. Just invite me to all the cool parties. I'll be like the comedic relief while Kathy Hilton's like in France. Right, and then when she comes back, I'll go back to like playing poker and wearing my thirty six thousand dollars boat bag that doesn't even fit anything in it.

00:30:03
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, two questions. First of all, what's a boat bag? What does it look like?

00:30:07
Speaker 2: It's literally just like the classic Louis Vuitton print.

00:30:10
Speaker 3: Is it like a never? It looks like a boat, but like a never full? What is that? No?

00:30:16
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no no, I'm going to google the boat bag.

00:30:19
Speaker 3: Okay, it's literally a shaped like a boat or exactly like a boat like there's like like windows and shit on it.

00:30:26
Speaker 1: LV boat bag LV boat bags.

00:30:29
Speaker 3: It's so expensive because.

00:30:31
Speaker 1: It's like an art piece. I guess you could fit shit in it.

00:30:33
Speaker 3: Did she wear it out out? Like was like wearing it like yeah, getting it on his table and stuff.

00:30:38
Speaker 2: She had that and a normal.

00:30:40
Speaker 3: Oh it's so small. It's like a submarine, isn't it.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the bags that are kind of more like art pieces.

00:30:49
Speaker 3: I hate it, Like the Judath levers that oh my god, literally stole the words right out of my mouth. Oh my god. Okay, so my mom has passed and I see her in like ladybugs, right, okay, so NAT's got me a lady bug. I think it was like a one of one Judith liber bag and it is I'm not kidding you like this like maybe make a fist like double that size. Ye. I'm like I've worn it out, but I've given it away when I'm like on the carpet, I'm like, I can't wear this. My phone doesn't fit.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: Nothing fit no, and there's no give. It's literally like sororofski crystal. Yours was probably diamonds because you know your hubs got that getty mind.

00:31:29
Speaker 3: It was just regular, but it was so small. I was like, this is beautiful. I'm never gonna wear it.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Though, like, yeah, I have one Judith liber bag.

00:31:36
Speaker 3: But also like I mean with all the wildfires and stuff, it's like, take that because that is expensive. Those bags are expensive.

00:31:44
Speaker 2: They are expens went on the website.

00:31:45
Speaker 3: I was like, how much this will do cost? And it was like a.

00:31:49
Speaker 2: Lot, but you still have it. Yes, you just handed it to people on the red carpet.

00:31:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, like once I thought you meant that you gave it away to give it away to the photographers.

00:32:00
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a nice little tip.

00:32:02
Speaker 3: I would never ever. No, it's so special. I love it and like the Ladybug's like smiling. It's like really cute, but.

00:32:07
Speaker 1: That does sound cute.

00:32:08
Speaker 3: It just I can't fit shit in it. I don't want to. Who wants to carry around a gorgeous bag with their phone behind it holding it?

00:32:14
Speaker 2: It's a lot, so lovely and it's very breakable that bag, is it? Well, yeah, I think about it. One wrong move you lose a crystal, you break off some little part, like one wrong move and it breaks the corner of the Yeah, exactly what kind of gifts do you prefer from nats? Like, when you guys are celebrating, like your birthday or a monumental moment, what do you.

00:32:36
Speaker 3: Prefer will He always has insisted that he buys all of like my jewelry, okay, which I think is fun because I've never I love costume jewelry, Like I literally could give a fuck, like take me to Forever twenty one, I'll get earrings whatever. And my my skin's also not sensitive to like turning green or like I don't get you know, So I'm like, yeah, it's fine, whear whatever, Yeah, weear whatever. But he's like very much like I want to buy you this. I want to buy you that.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, And do you like the surprise or does he usually have you pick it out?

00:33:07
Speaker 3: No? Always surprise.

00:33:08
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

00:33:09
Speaker 3: Always surprised. Yeah, I never know it's coming. Yeah.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: I feel like jewelry is one of those things that you don't go and buy yourself.

00:33:16
Speaker 3: I can see why people would though, because it's on you. You're looking at It's like on you, what about you?

00:33:23
Speaker 2: I mean I used to be obsessed with like bags, and now I'm really into buying myself jewelry, and I always love spending money on shoes, Like I can go like you said to Forever twenty one or a Zara H and M and get an outfit.

00:33:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a lot.

00:33:40
Speaker 2: It has to be like a really cooler special piece for me to walk in and drop mad money on a piece of you know, fabric.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: Because you only wear stuff a couple times.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: That's how I feel it.

00:33:51
Speaker 2: I'm usually if I don't get dressed up and glammed unless I'm going out out and there's a camera. Otherwise I'm just in sweatpants. But my shoes and the bag and the jewelry now I've found are what elevate the outfit that I either got on Amazon or H and M.

00:34:10
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

00:34:10
Speaker 3: Yes, one billion percent. You can be in like a five dollars little like bodysuit jumpsuit dress from Amazon, like black, with jewels and shoes and everything, and like obviously we're very gregarious, so like it just sells the garment totally. The personality. Yes, favorite shoe brand.

00:34:29
Speaker 2: Favorite shoe brand. I want to say Jean Vito Rossi because I don't even know her. Okay, they I think it's a guy.

00:34:37
Speaker 3: Yea Jean Vito Jean Vito Rossi.

00:34:40
Speaker 2: Yes, he makes or they make the most comfortable shoe for a woman, okay, like Christian Lubiton. Yeah, gorgeous shoes, but when I wear them, I'm like, he hates women.

00:34:55
Speaker 3: You know what? I love Giuseppes and naughty. Uh.

00:34:58
Speaker 1: Giuseppes are good.

00:35:00
Speaker 3: It's a little bit painful, A little bit. I have more of Like I'm a size ten okay, so like a forty one okay. My foot is a little bit wider, like I sometimes can't fit in like the you know, the tea strap. Yes, I'm sure you have a very narrow foot. You're tiny.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: I have a narrow foot, but jee, after having kids, I have to wear compression socks before I put up fuck you, hello, I have to wear compression socks before I wear a Jiuseppi because that ankle strap be real tight.

00:35:27
Speaker 3: Yes, isn't it insane? I mean it's like you fit in it or it just doesn't fit.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Cinderella's shoe.

00:35:33
Speaker 3: Yeah. I honestly, I don't really care about shoes, just as long as there's a height because I need.

00:35:37
Speaker 2: You like it? Yes, I mean, how tall is your shoe right now?

00:35:40
Speaker 1: Six inches? It's a minimum.

00:35:41
Speaker 3: It's a daffodil Christian Lubaton daffodil, like six and a half. I feel comfortable that way though.

00:35:49
Speaker 2: Well, the way you walked in here, I thought you were in fucking new balances.

00:35:53
Speaker 3: This is this is basically a sneaker to me, it really is.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: That's your signature shoe. I feel.

00:35:58
Speaker 3: I think so too. I I need the height, I need the chunk. I need it just like sets off the proportions. It just makes me feel good.

00:36:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it also is very feminine.

00:36:07
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It is. I mean maybe not the height factor, but I also feel but the sleekness this way, yes, yes, it like extends everything. Yeah.

00:36:16
Speaker 2: And you see the top of the foot, yeah, Larry sexy.

00:36:19
Speaker 3: Yeah. What about your favorite brand?

00:36:22
Speaker 4: My favorite brand? I love a good secondary piece.

00:36:26
Speaker 2: From oh, like a like a vintage storey.

00:36:28
Speaker 4: Like Buffalo Exchange. I really like going into vintage stores. But if I had to pick like a new.

00:36:35
Speaker 5: Brand, I really don't even know, just because there's just so many, and like you said, I just don't wear them a lot.

00:36:42
Speaker 3: Like hmm.

00:36:43
Speaker 5: I just love a certain feel like I do love Nike the way they fit. I do love Jordan Nike.

00:36:49
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:36:49
Speaker 4: But other than that, like all of my hoodies I get from like just.

00:36:53
Speaker 3: Secondary like a heighte beast. If you have like a million dollars right now, what would you buy clothing wise?

00:37:02
Speaker 4: Like shoes, clothing, mags, shoes.

00:37:05
Speaker 5: I would probably go and buy a pair of Christian Lubetin's just like basic.

00:37:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, all black love it.

00:37:13
Speaker 5: I really am into like the new balances, like the new like the f seventies or seven.

00:37:19
Speaker 2: They like a thicker sole, show the thicker sole, like the bad shoes, right yeah.

00:37:24
Speaker 4: Like I'm just into that. Or other than that, I just wear like vans and just crocs. Just I'm just basic. Like I just like wearing sweatpants.

00:37:32
Speaker 5: Like if there's an expensive pair of sweatpants out about that, I don't know about.

00:37:36
Speaker 2: Oh, I love like a good logo like Gucci sweats.

00:37:40
Speaker 3: Honestly, I know you didn't, Yes you did.

00:37:43
Speaker 4: I think Polo would be like if I had to go and do one.

00:37:46
Speaker 3: Thing, it would be yeah, okay, wow, I don't know what.

00:37:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really love their shirts the way they but this is the thing, it's the way they just fit.

00:37:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:37:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I haven't found another shirt that like the haller fits that way with the arms and like, I'm very ging are skinny.

00:38:05
Speaker 2: He's not as skinny as he thinks he is.

00:38:07
Speaker 4: No, so I'm skinny. So I try to find things that just match my body because right my legs, I got these long dancer legs. Lucky, I got.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: To wear these shoes to get Does Nat still have striking oil?

00:38:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, strike oil, his cur strike oil.

00:38:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:38:25
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I was actually just talking to him about this earlier today. He so, in the clothing business, you have to put out, you have to put in sorry designs and uh, your collection for the next year, a year and a half in advance. So he was showing me stuff like the look book.

00:38:43
Speaker 2: So you have to know what people may like a year and a half from now.

00:38:46
Speaker 3: I think it's so unfair.

00:38:47
Speaker 4: It's almost like, go on.

00:38:49
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that the fashion industry like the people who are creating fashion because they're a year in advance, they're kind of the ones that are pushing fashion.

00:38:59
Speaker 3: Right, It's not fast fashion, like you know how like you know, like Kim Kardashian will wear something and then.

00:39:03
Speaker 2: Like Fashionova will have it, but it's.

00:39:06
Speaker 3: Like they have all of that. It's like fast fashion, whereas like an independent designer, clothing label whatever, will have to put in the designs a year and a half in advance. So he was showing me the look book and I was like, I can't wait to wear this. I can't wait to wear this.

00:39:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, this look book, and he was like, out in.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: Winter twenty twenty six. I was like, oh, I'm gonna forget about it, but like love.

00:39:26
Speaker 1: Then who knows if I'm moving gonna like it?

00:39:28
Speaker 4: I myself so I can wear it tomorrow literally.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: But I love his brand and it was you wore it on the shores. You guys sent me a piece and I love it. And he dressed MGK for one of his like award shows.

00:39:45
Speaker 3: Did he? MGK has worn him a lot of times, actually, he wore him. My favorite look that MGK wore of Strike Oil was he was at What's Muscle Beach Venice Beach. Yes, Yeah, he performed on a rooftop with Yes. Meghan was there.

00:40:03
Speaker 1: I totally remember.

00:40:04
Speaker 3: It was in like a blue and white matching de yes.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: It was chop and bottom. This is what I'm thinking of.

00:40:10
Speaker 3: Yes, So When we saw that, we gagged because it was like a surprise performance or whatever. But I was like, oh my god, that's literally Strike Oil, So.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: You had no idea. You guys didn't dress him.

00:40:18
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I think his stylist is a fan. And then pulled, which is crazy, but like, he literally will wear it and we've seen him out at like many events and he's like, oh love Strike Oil, like we're like friendly, which is great, so sweet. I haven't seen him since his new tattoo, like the Blackout.

00:40:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm into it, are you? I? Well, I mean, at what point if you're gonna tat he was so covered restart.

00:40:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've never seen him without a shirt off in real life, so I can't tell. But it's a luck.

00:40:48
Speaker 4: It's a luck, and a painful one at that.

00:40:50
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my god.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: Imagine speaking of Meghan Fogs and MGK though I think they're done.

00:40:55
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, what's the latest?

00:40:58
Speaker 1: The latest is.

00:40:59
Speaker 2: He wrote some crypto thing on Instagram?

00:41:01
Speaker 3: What was it?

00:41:01
Speaker 1: It was?

00:41:02
Speaker 2: How can sources say when the sources haven't said anything? And I think he's meaning like sources are saying you know this, that and the other about he and Megan Fox. But they're technically the sources and they haven't said anything. But sources on her side have said she wants nothing to do with him, and her side is very excited about that cash fire. Did you go past cheating?

00:41:26
Speaker 3: I don't know the new baby on the word.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Depends on the situation.

00:41:29
Speaker 3: Depends on the situation. I guess, yeah, I don't know. It really does, it really does. So the vibe was the last that I heard. This is like old news, right.

00:41:41
Speaker 2: Them breaking up, But then it was recent that that he made this post. I guess by the time this heres, who knows what?

00:41:48
Speaker 3: I don't know.

00:41:48
Speaker 2: Did you see them out?

00:41:50
Speaker 3: No? No, I forgot about them. Literally, I just thought that they were like broken up.

00:41:56
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I mean, I don't know the new sente is yes with his baby and did she have it yet? No, she's preparing to give birth.

00:42:04
Speaker 5: But that's why I feel like if her team is saying she's not wanting to be back with him, I feel like it is because there is now a child involved.

00:42:12
Speaker 4: You guys, she was like shit forth with him, but now with the child, I think she's done.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: So I want to circle back.

00:42:17
Speaker 2: Since we're talking about kids, when do you think that you would want because thirty two is young.

00:42:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So when we did the the IVY app, I was like, oh my god, I need it like now, like I want a kid now. And then all of a sudden, when we had our embryos, and I know a lot of mom's future moms and yeah, you know, moms that want to be moms have talked about, oh that's just said give La La a hug for me. That's so weird now, like.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: Just now, No, I love him.

00:42:47
Speaker 3: I know you do. I know he loves you too, but very weird timing. But uh yeah, I thought I need kids now, like we got to start now. And then when we got our embryos, and I know, I've talked to a lot of other women and they're like, oh my god, like and couples, they're like, we have so much time, Like this has just locked in the time for us, right so we can live our lives. And now whenever I get up or I don't have work and I sleep in, I'm like, my life will be so much different when I have kids. So I'm kind of just holding on right now. I don't know when, I mean a year, two years.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: What's the age difference? But you will know when, like it'll.

00:43:24
Speaker 4: Just you'll just know it's the right time.

00:43:26
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I think too, And I'm like, it's not right now.

00:43:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. How's the age difference between you and nts? We're the same age, same age. You have nothing but fucking time.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: That's why I always hear that, And people are like chill, like just chill, and like we have them on ice. They're fine, they're safe, they're healthy. It's like it's gonna be whatever. But yeah, I can't really imagine my life like shifting that much because now I just worry about me, him, my job to other people, and then it's all gonna be like to the new baby.

00:43:59
Speaker 2: Do you have a group of friends who are parents at all?

00:44:03
Speaker 3: I have a few, I have. Yeah, Like I could count on one hand.

00:44:08
Speaker 1: How many people.

00:44:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many people have kids?

00:44:10
Speaker 2: And the people that don't, who you're close with, did they want children or are they more in a situation of like I'm good, I just want to like live my life and be by myself.

00:44:20
Speaker 3: It's like fifty to fifty to be completely honest.

00:44:22
Speaker 2: Okay, so you wouldn't be completely isolated not when you have children.

00:44:26
Speaker 3: Oh no, I would have like play dates beyond, yeah, beyond. And that's tough in LA because I feel like a lot of people are just here for a good time or their career. It's very rare that I feel like people like Settle Down have children, right, especially like I don't know my friend group. It kind of just happened all at once. I don't know, maybe we grew up. But yeah, I'm very lucky that if I were to have, you know, tomorrow, have a baby, I would know who to call. I love that for play dates and advice and all of that stuff.

00:44:57
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, thirty two, Oh my god. When I look back at having Ocean at thirty, yeah, I thought like, oh, this is the perfect time, and it was.

00:45:05
Speaker 1: It was a great time because had I waited, she wouldn't be who she is, right.

00:45:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:09
Speaker 2: But when I hear about someone who's thirty now and they're like, yeah, we're thinking about having kids, I'm like, wait, you are so young, so I think you're doing it the complete right way.

00:45:21
Speaker 3: No, it's good advice. That's very good advice.

00:45:23
Speaker 2: I'm giving you on solicited advice.

00:45:24
Speaker 3: No, I love it. Give it to me. Literally pile it on because I love it.

00:45:30
Speaker 2: Even if you have like these moms who have a lot of help, because it takes a lot of help.

00:45:35
Speaker 1: They always want like their parents.

00:45:38
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, And even when you're not with them mentally, you're with them, like when I go and work. Even right now, I'm fixated on Like Okay, I hope, so says you know, you're just you're taken away from from where you are because you're constantly worried about what they're doing if.

00:45:55
Speaker 3: They're okay, I completely understand.

00:45:57
Speaker 2: I think you're making an adult dec So what would you say before we sign off? People who have children, what would be the best way to educate them about LGBTQ.

00:46:14
Speaker 1: I A plus?

00:46:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah did I.

00:46:17
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave any letter out.

00:46:19
Speaker 3: Are you a part of our community?

00:46:21
Speaker 2: Yes, like you're bye. I've eaten a few cookie?

00:46:25
Speaker 3: But could you phone? Or are you pan?

00:46:28
Speaker 1: What is PAN?

00:46:29
Speaker 2: Like?

00:46:29
Speaker 3: You can fall in love with anybody.

00:46:30
Speaker 2: I don't think I could fall in love with anybody. I could hook up with anybody, but as far as a relationship for your sex addict, we were diagnosed ice and diagnose this the New Name podcast.

00:46:46
Speaker 3: I love it well, so you wouldn't say that you're by. I mean, I don't really, I don't really I would care for labels really anymore.

00:46:52
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that I'm by, Okay, I would say that I would make out with a chick down.

00:46:57
Speaker 1: I'm just down for the cause.

00:46:59
Speaker 2: Now, if I look at my partner, if I'm gonna be with somebody, yeah, I see that person as a man.

00:47:05
Speaker 3: Right. Have you ever hooked up with a girl since being sober? I don't know how long you've been sober?

00:47:09
Speaker 2: Well, no, but you also have to take into account I really haven't hooked up with many dudes, okay, and being sober and single okay either, So right now and now and then, just so, you're an ally, I'm fucking ask So you're an ally?

00:47:23
Speaker 3: Ok I love it?

00:47:26
Speaker 4: No, you are?

00:47:27
Speaker 3: Okay, you have me here. You're an ally.

00:47:29
Speaker 2: I I feel like I'm a fucking ally and I wear that with pride.

00:47:33
Speaker 3: You're a fierce ally.

00:47:35
Speaker 2: Actually, well, thank you. I appreciate you saying that. I'm wondering how I pass that down to my child in a productive and informative and educated way.

00:47:46
Speaker 3: You know. I feel like now there's so much conversation around people transitioning at a young age, and you know, parents raising their children as the gender that they identify with, not the one that they were born as or assigned to. And I just feel like consistency is key, Like that is my main advice. I don't have children. I've never raised a transgender child. I've never raised anybody ever except a cat, so I don't really know how that works, but I know, personally speaking, all I wanted to do was be heard, and I just wanted people to listen to me. Because if I'm saying it once and then in a few months I'm saying it again, and then in a few more months, I'm saying the same thing, listen to me, you know. And you know, whether the hormones are involved, or the name change and the gender identifiers is changed, that's a whole different story. But listen to the person that you're raising, because if you love them unconditionally, you will listen to them. And I think trust is a huge thing for a parent and a child or any relationship regardless. So it's about just listening. And I think you know there are it can be argued that you know you're going through a phase or whatever that's something that I heard when I was growing up. But if it's consistent and if it's authentic and genuine and they're feeling confident and gregarious in they're in what they're saying to you, then it's like, okay, so I have to take what you say to me and realize.

00:49:21
Speaker 1: That that's the okay.

00:49:23
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so open arms, you know, no judgment.

00:49:27
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:49:28
Speaker 3: Speaking of actually real quick Housewives of Salt Lake City, Yeah, Mary had that talk with her son. Did you see that scene?

00:49:37
Speaker 2: Heartbreaking?

00:49:37
Speaker 3: The first time I watched it, I was like, this bitch, speak up. Second time I watched it, I was like, she is such a great parent.

00:49:46
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you tell me why you had a change of heart the second time you watched it?

00:49:50
Speaker 3: I don't know. The first time I was just like, this kid is obviously going through it, like this is heartbreaking. And then the second time when I watched it, I think I watched it with a different lens because she was listening okay, and she wasn't judging, and she was having him and she wasn't she wasn't bullying him, she wasn't preaching to him, she wasn't being mama bear to him. She was being a friend, and I think it helped him open up a lot more. Yeah, and it was helpful because he literally opened the fuck up, and she was like, do you see this as a problem, like I want you like not saying like this is huge like whatever, Like she didn't.

00:50:32
Speaker 2: Feel like him right, and she wasn't. She wasn't like guiding him in one direction or the other. She sat there and basically let him know, I'm all ears, you tell me whatever you want to tell me, and then if you want me to together, we will take the lead on getting you whatever it is that you need.

00:50:49
Speaker 3: Yes, she wasn't, she wasn't putting words in his mouth.

00:50:52
Speaker 1: Correct, totally right like that.

00:50:55
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. The second time around, I was like wow, like this is crazy, and also like, I mean, we know how it is lights camera action when you're in your bedroom. He probably was not feeling the best, but for I was like so raw right and like they're like two feet away from you, so like you're gonna feel it. But him like doing that is like crazy, And the way that she handled it was so amazing.

00:51:16
Speaker 1: So I love her this season.

00:51:17
Speaker 3: I do too.

00:51:18
Speaker 2: It's just so crazy how quickly you can like go from oh my gosh, I don't like this person to a single moment you're like, oh my god, I write so hard for this person. Ye shows how, but thank everybody is he is right? Yes, one moment can change it all.

00:51:33
Speaker 5: That's why I like watching because I'm like, I don't like you, and then the next I hate the person I like, and then I like the person I hate it.

00:51:39
Speaker 4: I'm like this world win of a show.

00:51:41
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and going back. So I love what you just said. I also want to know, let's just say Ocean grows up and she is a straight female, how do I, as a parent who was also a straight female, allow my child to see what the world is and different sexualities and have her have a view that I have Because my mom didn't do anything specific.

00:52:14
Speaker 1: We're from Utah.

00:52:15
Speaker 2: We just kind of it was like nothing was a big deal, right, But because social media exists on such a high level and I can't control Again, she's only four. I can control what goes on in my household, but we got these you know, eighth graders talking about politics, right, I can't control what she experiences in school. Is there any advice that you could give to me or any parent on how to navigate dealing with.

00:52:44
Speaker 1: What this world? Do you get what I'm laying down.

00:52:48
Speaker 2: I want her. I don't want her to walk into the world, and I want her to be educated. That's basically. I want her to be educated and have a loving heart. For example, I have a friend and his name's Jared. I think you guys have crosspads. At one point in time. She's only seen Jared with no makeup on right. He's a gay man. He came over in full glam. We were going to the Paris Hilton suite, so he was looking fabulous.

00:53:14
Speaker 3: Oh fine, it was so much fun.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: And Ocean came up to me and she said, Mom, Jared's wearing makeup. She's never seen that before. She's four lives she's four, so she'll be four in March. So we had that conversation that boys can wear makeup, girls can wear makeup. We had the same type of conversation last night. She said, Mom, I want you to have a little boy, because Sosa and your little boy could fall in love and get married. And I said, siblings don't marry each other. And she goes, but boys and girls fall in love and they kiss, and I said, and sometimes boys and boys fall in love and kiss, and sometimes girls and girls fall in love and they kiss.

00:53:49
Speaker 1: She just sat there and said.

00:53:50
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, right, so there's things that are happening, yeah that I want to make sure that I'm on my game.

00:53:56
Speaker 3: Four Yeah, okay. Obsessed with her action. Okay, I think that's so fun. I love like the childlike lens. You know, they just see ship for what it is and it's like, why is that wrong? Though, Like there's no boundaries, Like they're unapologetic. It's one of my favorite things about kids. But also the scary thing about kids, because they will read you. They'll be like you're fat, you know, like they'll say shit and it'll hurt you. Yeah, they will hurt.

00:54:22
Speaker 2: It does hurt.

00:54:23
Speaker 3: Hippolote the about literally, No. I think the best advice that I have to I mean, I feel even weird giving you advice as a mom. I'm not a mom, but I've been around enough children. I think the best way to navigate them accepting people who are different than them is just instilling that it's not the difference. It's if you're a good person, Okay, you know, like it's not about like oh he likes him, or he's dating him, or he has makeup on It's like is he nice to you? Does he make yeah? Like does he make you laugh? Is your friend? Then you have to stick by your friend, Like if anyone saying anything else about him being with his boyfriend, then but do you like him, so you have to have his back, Like that's your friend, he's nice to you. I love such a sweet mommy, you really will.

00:55:15
Speaker 2: I love that it was so simple and like, yeah, you have said it perfect.

00:55:19
Speaker 3: But I feel like kids are like sponges. Like even I've been around like tons of kids who have been like why do you sound like that? Or what is it? What is that? Like just years and years of just weird shit, But when you break it down to them, it's like they just get it and they're on your side if you say it nice or whatever, unless they're like little shits, which a bunch of things are, But like a lot of the time, they just get it. They suck it up, and then like they absorb it. I mean they don't suck it up, they absorb the information and then from then on, like you are that person to them because you've told them in a very direct way in their eyes.

00:55:54
Speaker 4: They've sucked that information up and they've moved on.

00:55:56
Speaker 3: They person maybe really quick, and they'll have your back if you're eat to them.

00:56:00
Speaker 1: That's very true.

00:56:01
Speaker 3: But if you ignore them or weird, then they're going to turn on you.

00:56:04
Speaker 2: I had You're fucking so fun.

00:56:07
Speaker 3: Oh my god, love you guys. Oh my god, was that an hour?

00:56:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're gonna do the bonus. Yes, love perfect do you guys? Gigi, thank you for coming.

00:56:14
Speaker 3: On to Give Them episod.

00:56:19
Speaker 1: Wow, that was like a really great episode.

00:56:21
Speaker 3: Right.

00:56:22
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so happy you're here. We need to hang out, like outside of the podcast. I need friends.

00:56:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, thank you for listening to another episode of To Give Them La La Podcast.

00:56:32
Speaker 1: We will catch you next week. Bye.