Becoming a Best Ball Bro: A Quick Recap Episode?

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's JJ, and I'm on vacation right now.

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Speaker 2: I need a little break with my family after all the work that was done with a late round draft guide, which, by the way, that's out. You can go purchase it right now over on lateround dot com. But with me being sidelined for the week, this isn't your typical becoming.

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Speaker 1: A Best ball Bro episode.

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Speaker 2: Since I knew I was going to be out, my co host Rich Ryan picked some of the best clips from the interviews that I've done over the last month and a half of the show, and he put it together for a nice little recap episode as we enter the more intense time for fantasy football drafts that is July and August. So that's what today's episode is all about. If you've listened to all the episodes, then you've heard some of the answers already, but it can't hurt to think about everything once again.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy, and I hope you have a great Fourth of July holiday. I'll catch you all on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I'm JJ, and last year I tried my hardest to become a Best ball Bro.

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Speaker 1: I drafted over five hundred teams.

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Speaker 2: I talked to some of the most successful best ball players in existence, and I admittedly had mixed results. This year, I'm going to chase that title once again. My plan is a Max Center DraftKings millionaire maker, and I'm going to document all of it while talking to the brightest best ball minds and the planning.

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Speaker 1: Last year, I didn't quite get there.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's easy. It's much easier to be stronger at wide receiver on DraftKings, like just kind of regardless of what you're doing, if you if you have that as a goal, it's easier to achieve that goal on DraftKings. So I'm kind of trying to think it's almost like more like on ff PC, which just tends to be a pretty running back heavy platform, I'm you know, kind of thinking about the best times to deviate from trying to be strong at receiver and grab the running backs because there are going to be other wide receiver opportunities available later. One pocket for me on DraftKings is like you can be sitting at like, you know, the eleventh round and get a receiver that you like. Yeah, and that's just kind of a breath of fresh air. You know, that's I'm not used to that. But if I know I can get that, if I know I can get wide receivers, I like more in than ninth. If at the like the end of the fifth this morning, I got George Pickens, that's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I got Marvin Harrison at the end of the third round instead of the beginning of the third round. So there's there's spots where I'm like, okay, if I can sit here at the end of the third, at the end of the fifth, if I can if I can wait for receivers a little bit more later, you know, later on I'm not like pushing guys up around ahead of where I think they should actually go. So I actually have a wide receiver three or wide receiver four, then I can use that to my advantage by also being strong at running back. And so you know, like I had to build this morning where I took McCaffrey as out of the twelve all I took McCaffrey. I took Bree, I took Trayvon Henderson, and I took DeAndre Swift. So like in every every turn in the first four you know, first four turns, first four pairs of picks, I took a running back and then and then I didn't take my fifth running back till very late. But I basically kind of built balanced there. But I ended up feeling pretty strong at receiver because I also took a receiver with each of my first four pairs of picks as well, So you know, through through eight, I had four running backs and four receivers, feeling pretty good about both positions. And then I built out the depth at receiver on draftings in a way that I basically don't expect to ye if I'm not there.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing, you know, this is kind of the point, but when you're drafting, like are you are you more of a fan of doing fast drafts than slow drafts in this kind of environment because you can be more Maybe this is wrong, but this is the way that I after experiencing being becoming a best ball bro last year and now switching over to DraftKings and trying to see what it's like here, Like, I've noticed that when I do fast drafts as opposed to slow drafts, I enjoy the fast draft environment more because I have a better pulse on what's going on in that draft.

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Speaker 1: If that makes is that? Is that a proper like? Is that the way that you feel too?

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Speaker 3: That's very much the way that I feel. I would even go like a step further and say, I don't trust myself to pay like as much attention in my slow drafts, right like, I'll just like fire, Like you get in the mode where you're like firing in picks, yeah, and I've done, you know, when I'm doing slow drafts, I'm like I'll fire and picks and be like, wait, did that team have that guy? Because that was you know, was I supposed to stack there? I'm pretty sure yesterday I was definitely gonna stack. And then I just like fired in a running back pick without thinking. So for me like being dialed in. So I'm paying attention to what's happening in the draft room, but I'm just like also paying more attention to my team when I'm trying what I'm trying to accomplish. I just I feel way more in tune with what's going on, you know, with everyone including me when I'm in a fast draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also think that in an environment where it is it does seem like people don't follow ADP as strongly, it's better to do that, to be on top of things, and to do more fast drafts and slow drafts, because then you will be able to react properly and understand, oh, yeah, this guy's slipping in this draft, and I can I'll remember this as opposed to like drafting two spots away from the turn and then completely forgetting that that player was someone that you were, you know, targeting.

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Speaker 1: On the on the with your next pick and stuff.

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Speaker 3: So in this draft that I was doing this morning, I like set up I had Travon Henderson, I was gonna I ended up taking Kyle Williams. I was like, I had bris Hall setting up like a New England Jet thing, and Drake May goes like way ahead of ADP. So of course, you know, I'm a big Drake May guy.

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Speaker 4: I noticed that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what, but there's there's one of the worst things is if you if you don't see that happen and you're like, oh, I'll just set up Drake May let me just go to take Drake May.

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Speaker 1: He went around, He's not there. Yeahhh, So yeah.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's being paying attention to the draft is a huge edge, and I just I found it easier to do in fast draft.

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Speaker 2: What about the fact that there are extra rounds, you know, different platforms you'll look at. We'll have like eighteen DraftKings as twenty with those extra rounds.

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Speaker 1: How does that sort of shift your approach or does it at all?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: One way that it can shift your approach theoretically is that you know you could do more at the at the onesie positions, but on DraftKings, I find that quarterback can get pretty sketchy late in drafts, so I'm usually done at quarterback before those final rounds.

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Speaker 5: But it does allow you to take.

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Speaker 3: Three quarterbacks more easily because you have that extra twentieth round pick could be a fifth or sixth running back where you know it might be a four running back build or you know, a five running back build where you don't have a ton of firepower up top if you want to try to add a third quarterback, so the third quarterback, it definitely makes that more comfortable. Even though I'm rarely using a nineteenth or twentieth round pick on a quarterback if that makes sense. And then at tight end, I am more willing to just say I'm taking a third tight end in the final round, or even a fourth tight end. I'm more willing to do that. On DraftKings with the two extra rounds to play around with, I think depending on the tournament you're in, you can also kind of take some of these these bigger swings. I got sn I was going to take up b Rishard Smith in the nineteenth round of this draft, got sniped. But that's the type of guy where I'm like, I don't know, like pretty wide open backfield. Actually I know it's a seventh round pick, but yeah, converted receiver tested pretty well, so there's like he could be nothing, but he could be something. And in DraftKings Flagship tournament, it's a big final.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna need some really high scoring players.

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Speaker 3: And so getting a guy who could spike out of the twentieth round, even if it means taking on zero risk, is something when you have an extra couple of rounds that I'm more comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: How important and vital is stacking for you, Like how much you go out of your way to get that stack going.

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Speaker 1: But then also how deep do your stacks get?

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Speaker 2: And I mean that from you know the number of pass catchers you'll usually use, and then also are you using running backs as part of that stack?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am using running backs as part of the stack. I'm willing to get fairly deep with the stacks. I'm willing to kind of team stack stuff. I'm willing to stack without the quarterback. I've written a decent amount about this because I think it really keeps you flexible. Like you know, I mentioned that I did like a Bresaw trade on Henderson, Drake may get sniped.

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Speaker 4: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: I take Kyle Williams and I take Hunter Henry Like I have a I have a stack of a team of two teams to play each other in Week seventeen. I'm hoping that game goes nuts. But I have Brock Perdy, Dak Prescott, and Matthew Stafford. If I don't have Drake May, like, that's fine whatever. Like I have, I have Dak stacked up with Pickens, you know, I've got I've got Purdy stacked up with McCaffrey and Ayuk. I've got Stafford stacked up with with Puka to to Jarcos Hunter, like the one of these quarterbacks is going off for me because they have to, because they're bringing along, Like first two picks of the draft are paired with the same on the same team with the quarterback. So I need those dudes. I need Puka, I need McCaffrey. So the quarterback of one of the teams is probably coming along. And if not, I even have a third option of a of a guy who's also stacked that can hit my line up in a big way. But then I also am going to need in addition to that stack going off an enormous amount of points like just a So let me let me capture several more scores all hitting my lineup together by being right about a game that goes off and when I'm looking at that game, like if I'm looking at the Jets in the Patriots, or if I'm, you know, looking at any other game I'm not usually entering and draft being like, man, I really like the Bengals and the Cardinals to go nuts in Week seventeen. Let me let me take that game, or let me look at the Dome games and try to target those I'm doing that less than I'm saying, like, let me look at who I drafted, and yeah, I drafted them, and what I need, What this team needs to happen for it to win. You know a final that's got over a thousand.

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Speaker 5: People in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this team needs Puka to go off, it needs McCaffrey go off. Like those, those become pretty interesting games to stack. So these these early picks that I've made, I'm more likely to try to tackle on correlation and see if I can get the quarterback involved in that. But if I don't, kind of good almost because my goal is to have all my quarterbacks stacked and additional stacking elements yeah as well, because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be right about all of it. I'm not even gonna have to utilize all of it.

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Speaker 2: Neil Orfield, and he's a DFS player who's won the Millie in the past.

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Speaker 6: I'm a pretty big proponent of zero RB anyway, And actually this year I'm doing a lot more like hero RB. And I think I just got a bit too hard last year by doing zero RB and everything going terribly for me last year. But yeah, I do do a ton of zero and hero RB where I'm not not taking more than like one running back in the first eight rounds. And I'm definitely more comfortable with that on draftkins and elsewhere because you can just take several shots on players late that are you know, Yeah, like you say, it's unpredictable when they're going to get the scoring, but hope, you know, you take a few of them, you kind of hope that they line up well where you're getting some kind of production every week with those players. Yeah, I'm definitely I think that's probably my primary approach on draftings. It's maybe my primary approach everywhere, but like especially on draftings, it's really tough for me to take a running back in the first round. Maybe starting kind of like the one two turn, I'm more comfortable starting to take running backs, but it's I kind of need a follower to take a running back in the first round on draftings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean, obviously with full PPR and at least the research that I've done for season long and such, you know, obviously it can be different in a best small environment where you're getting you know, the best score each week no matter what. But in your flex you've got to assume that a wide receiver is more than likely going to find that spot. So it's really like you almost have to think of it as maybe not a full four wide receiver start, but like a three point eight wide receiver start. You know, like you're you're starting many, many wide receivers. So it does allow you to you know, lean into zero RB a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Now over on draftings, you do have.

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Speaker 2: Those extra two rounds too, versus a place like Underdog where they're eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Having those two extra rounds, does that change approach it all?

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Speaker 2: Does that make you want to go maybe lean in even further into zero RB because you can just tack on two random running backs at the end.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that is actually like the primary thing that I think I do differently with the twenty x rounds is you can often get like an RB two on a team in the eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth rounds on DraftKings. So with the twenty rounds, you can take eight running backs. There's no problem taking eight running backs, which you don't really want to do that in eighteen round draft particularly, I guess half PPR doesn't really play into the equation.

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Speaker 4: But in eighteen round draft.

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Speaker 6: It's really tough to take eight running backs on the team in a twenty yearround draft. You can still be pretty good everywhere else and just like lean into the randomness a little bit more with taking you know, maybe it's your last eight picks, you could do that. You take your last eight picks all running backs and just take a bunch of players with different archetypes. You can take players that have maybe a little bit more of a floor. Guy like Austin Eckler goes pretty late on DraftKings that there are several of those types of players that do feel like they have somewhat of a floor, and you can kind of mix in those guys with the true like the Todd Brooks, who might be a complete zero but like has upside potential, and you just kind of like mix in eight of those archetypes and like, yeah, I mean it's sometimes you're gonna really be bad, really be hurting at the running back position. But like, as as many people have said, we're gonna lose anyway, So why not take a shot on the upside of just betting on a bunch of those late round running backs. Take take your favorites, mix in maybe a couple of the safer guys for a little bit of floor early on. I love that approach on on DraftKings, particularly with the twenty round draft, So that's one of the primary things that I do. I like three quarterbacks in general, Like even in eighteen round drafts, it's probably average two and a half, Like I take two or three basically always in a twenty round draft, I want to take three quarterbacks like that is one of the things that I'm generally going to be targeting on DraftKings is a third quarterback. You can't really take them later on because as they all the quarterbacks, as you know, on draftings, get eaten up really early. It's tough to find late round quarterbacks that you realize that maybe there's a couple, but you need to take them a little bit earlier. But you can take those three quarterbacks and just know that there are going to be kind of those long shot running backs available later on for or wide receivers, tight ends, whatever. But you're more able to build with three quarterbacks on DraftKings with the twenty rounds. And then I'd say the only other thing that I do a little bit more often in a twenty year und draft is I will sometimes take four tight ends. Still not something that I do like most of the time, but it's not uncommon for me to take four late tight ends on draftings.

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Speaker 2: You did mention quarterbacks and going with three quarterbacks. I found it just really strange over on DraftKings, going through drafts, and like you know, there are certain guys like I've gotten a ton of Drake May for instance, over on DK just because of where he sort of sits and where his tier is in the pocket and where he goes. But to me, it kind of seems like there is a a big enough gap between some of the higher end decent pocket passer types to that next tier to then the next tier because there have been instances and maybe people who are listening of experienced this as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm coming at this again. I'm trying to become a best ball bro here. So I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Talking to you about my experience, and I want Neil, as someone who's more experienced, to be able to see to say, yeah, I've seen that too. You know that makes sense, YadA, YadA YadA.

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Speaker 1: But it seems like if you're relying.

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Speaker 2: On a on a three quarterback bill, right you have two guys who are you know, more of like high end twos or maybe low en qb ones, and you're trying to get this third quarterback and you're eyeing that tier of like Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, you know that grouping. It seems like every time you think they're going to be available, they end up not being available by the time you end up picking, and it's like it's like.

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Speaker 1: They're that tier. That final grouping a quarterback seems to be elevated like too much, like just a little bit too much. Is that something that you've experienced as well? Like is it? Am I going crazy?

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Speaker 2: Because it feels like every time I need that third quarterback, I'm only stuck with like Aaron Rodgers crossing my fingers or a Giants quarterback right whereas I feel like the other guys should be pushed out a little bit more than they are.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So as a more experienced bestball player, I mean, I've been playing basketball for five years. I started playing when it became popular, so like I'm still very much in the learning phase, and I think that we were having kind of the same experience where it's like every year the landscape changes and doesn't always make sense. And I think quarterback on DraftKings is like the best example there because in theory, like quarterback is less important on a full PPR site, like they don't really get receptions, so quarterback should be less important. They should generally go later. That is not the experience that I have had on DraftKings at all. People go quarterback crazy. They really, you know, the middling quarterbacks go a lot earlier than I think they should, the bad quarterbacks, all of them get moved up on DraftKings at least in some drafts, like the ADP is actually not always entirely crazy. But yesterday I was in a draft where I set up several of those later options, like the Matt Stafford Gino Smith had several stacks that I was like, Okay, I'm going to get one of these quarterbacks at the next turn, and then they were all gone. There's people taking their fourth quarterback or like they have two elites and they tack on a third, just like completely unstacked. Like you just really can't predict anything on DraftKings. So it's a lot harder to do that, But it is something that I'm toying with which I think is kind of what you're getting at, which is I kind of think if everybody's going to be forcing up all of the middling or bad quarterbacks, it just makes me want to take those elite quarterbacks early on, Like why do I.

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Speaker 1: Want to take.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Joe Burrow is like a good quarter I don't want to call Joe Burrow a middling quarterback, but like for fantasy, he kind of is so like, why don't want to take Joe Burrow around after where I can get Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or one of these elite quarterbacks. So I think, and honestly, I've only started doing drafting. I've only got like five under my belt, but I kind of think that's kind of the direction I'm moving in, is just taking those elite quarterbacks and then you know, later on, when other people are scrambling to get those bad quarterbacks routine for a Gino Smith, then I can take you know, a pretty good second tak Kyle Williams. I can take one of those mid round running backs who I think have a lot of value, and I'd take that two v two any day with my elite quarterback and an Austin Eckler versus whoever they take in the early round. I think generally it's a good idea to take one of those top quarterbacks and you know, let other people reach and kind of push up the bad and middling quarterbacks. I do think like that is something that I think we're gonna have to consider more and more on draftings, which feels really counterintuitive to me on a full PPR site to want to take Lamar Jackson or I mean, I know, I listen to your podcast, Jalen Hurts, I agree with you, like it's it's tough to not want to take Jalen Hurthro he's going any any of those kind of elite quarterbacks. They feel pretty good when when just having at least one of them early on, so you don't have to scramble to get a quarterback later and reach ahead of where you want to on one of those later guys.

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Speaker 2: Liam Murphy he's the owner of Beatbeestball dot com. He's been a multiple best Ball champion, including two high stakes wins over on DraftKings.

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Speaker 7: What should happen is quarterbacks should go later on PPR sites right, and quarterbacks should go earlier on half point PPR sites. But when a quarterback scores forty, I mean that's hard to that's hard to you know, pick up the pace and a half point from your skill position players. What actually happens on DraftKings, in my experience, is a different story.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: DraftKings is a huge platform, which is part of the benefit. Right, everyone knows what DraftKings is. You got some people loading up a draft and being like, let me get my quarterback, let me get my Giants quarterback in the first round. You know, like that will happen, and God bless those people. We want that, right, But in my experience, what actually happens on DraftKings is if you are not vigilant to the room, if you're not looking at the room, quarterbacks will fly off the board. It also tends to be a site where running backs go earlier, you know, in a vacuum. Obviously we want the players who catch passes more, right, but you kind of have to treat it room by room. Some rooms are pretty uniform. Some rooms can get pretty chaotic where you know, I did a DraftKings five five to five draft last weekend, my first one of the year, trying to defend that that championship, and one of the Drafters took six running backs and one wide receiver through seven rounds, and then he his quarterback room was four quarterbacks. You ready for his quarterback room, it was Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, mac Joon Like he like the quarterbacks were he punted off quarterback and he had no starters left other than maybe Aaron Rodgers, probably Aaron Rodgers, but you know who even knows they're right, Like I got Tyler Shuck before him, and so he's got he got like Jackson Dart, Rogers, Flacco and maybe then Shedur, you know, like so it's like he's got two swings at the Browns quarterback and probably not even starting. Another Drafter in that room took four quarterbacks as well. So it's like I built a zero RB team with Jamar Chase Rashi, Rice Trade McBride, and then I got DeVonta Smith, Tet, McMillan, Olave and Jordan Addison, And you know, I was trying to get running backs, but like the room was hoarding it, so I just had to adjust and I ended up building a three quarterback, nine running back, six wide receiver, two tight end room. And you know, my running back room is I got Miles Sanders in there.

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Speaker 1: You know, we just got a lot of bullets there.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, that's a long answer. I don't even know I answered your yourself. But like obviously the skill players they score more points on PPR sites because they catch balls and that's how the scoring system works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that what you bring up is really important that on DraftKings, like if you're if you are used to other you know, like playing on Underdog or something where things seem to be very structured. Let's say and and and it's it's sort of people following following in line with ADP. There's there's and This is something that's been consistent and consistently said, is that on DraftKings you see a lot of takes and picks more all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you find that you like that X?

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Speaker 2: You can take advantage of that more, and you can think more in the fly, like you going with a nine running back build obviously is not.

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Speaker 1: A common build whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: But what you're obviously doing in that scenario is reacting and saying, Okay, I didn't spend up any draft capital running back early, so I'm gonna get a quantity instead of the quality of the position later, do you think that.

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Speaker 1: That you personally have an advantage of that?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that others, if they studied the game would have an advantage in doing that too?

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Speaker 7: I mean generally my viewpoint about best Ball is, like, why I like it is the more decisions we need to make continuously, Like I'm going to have an advantage because I think I make good decisions, right, So it's like I like that we have to make twenty individual decisions versus yeah, a daily fantasy lineup where you can click, you know, generate my lineup for me. You didn't even make a decision. The computer made a decision for you, right, Like I like that you have to adapt on the fly. This is why I do pretty strictly all fast drafts, right, like for the better, and I like that we're making these decisions and adjusting to the rooms.

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Speaker 1: And like, look, it's not it's not always going to work.

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Speaker 7: Right Like my my nine running back room, I might not have even got it, you know, like Jordan Mason's my RB one. So it's like it might not work out, folks, right, but you got you know, when you're drafting enough teams, So if you want to draft a high you know, quantity of teams, try a lower buy in if you don't have a big bank roll, right, But like you know, you got to try different builds, you like. I think what happened last year with a lot of people is we've seen the success of zero running back year to year, and all of a sudden, like seventy percent of the field was building zero running back teams and it was a bad year to build zero running back just because of how the scoring went. So it's like you got just like mega calamity where it's like everyone's doing the same thing and it was a bad year to do it. And this is why you should you should vary your your builds somewhat.

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Speaker 1: So you you brought up zero RB. I know you've been an advocate of zero RB in the past.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that you find easier to do that you're more comfortable with on DraftKings specifically this season because you know, through through my season long analysis, you know there's a lot of recency bias that goes on with ADP where you know, if there's a good running back season the previous year, then there's a higher ADPs with running back the next season, and you know, same thing with other positions, et cetera, et cetera. Do you think that that's going to spill over year over? You're in the best ball scene, and is that easier than for you to say?

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Speaker 3: No?

00:27:49
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm not going to go running back because this is a full PPR platform and running backs are going way too early in my opinion. So I'm going to build more zero RB teams this year on a platform like draftings.

00:27:58
Speaker 7: So I don't I don't like try to build like on DraftKings. I don't build like a wildly different portfolio of teams versus on a half point site, right, I'm still mixing it. In general, I always believe in the concept of zero RB because it's very easily to conceptualize when it would be the best build, right, Like, wide receiver is almost always the scarcest position as far as like wide receivers who truly matter. We know it's a skill paced position right where It's like you can give andre Yoshivas a million routes. He's not going to be Jamar Chase, right Like, He's just not where you know, if Zach Moss was getting forty touches a game.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah he could do. He's not the fastest Chase.

00:28:39
Speaker 7: Brown, but he could do ninety percent of Chase Brown. Right, So all you need CMC goes down week one, you know, Derrick Henry goes down week four, whatever James Cook holds out, you know, Alvin Kamara hits the age cliff. All you need is a couple of these things to go. You take a swing at the backup you happen to be right now, you have a locked and starter where you didn't pay the draft capital. So yeah, I still believe in the concept of zero RB on draftings heavily. However, I will note I generally advise people to like the way I like to approach it is. There's not a ton of running backs I love, but I do like a lot of the like I love Jamiir Gibbs right like I love guys like this. So my general advice is you should be if you like a Jamiir Gibbs, if you like an eight Chan, if you like a Derrick Henry, if you like a Saquon, maybe you break the tie towards that running back early because I promise you there are going to be wide receiver values in round eleven, round twelve, round thirteen, that you're not used to seeing on a half point PPR site where it's like you're gonna get Rashid Shaheed in the one forties, You're gonna get like Luther Burden go thirty picks later on draft gives right, like you're gonna get these guys here. So it's like, yeah, I'll you know, Ceedee lam Vers, Jamier Gibbs. I like them both a lot, but maybe I'll take Gibbs a little bit more often on DraftKings just to give me one anchor. And then I still know I'm gonna build such a strong wide receiver room because for whatever reason, wide receiver goes like super late on DraftKings.

00:30:10
Speaker 2: Historically, like even beyond this year, Like as has elite quarterback been a direction.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: That you've gone in, you know, in best Ball.

00:30:16
Speaker 7: I would say in general, I've been into the elite quarterbacks this this year. You know, DraftKings is a different market. Like Josh Allen was my quarterback the year I won BBM two. Patrick Mahomes in the fourth round was my quarterback when I won the five five five one year, right like so like in general, yeah, I do like elae quarterback, because what I really like is I don't want to build every team three six eight three which three three quarterbacks, six running back, eight wide receivers, three tight ends. That's like base normal draft capital adjust from there if you're new.

00:30:47
Speaker 1: To best Ball.

00:30:48
Speaker 7: But like you know, like I like going only two quarterbacks, and you know, if a guy gets hurt, so be it. But like I want the extra stab at landing a difference maker skill player. And so this year, you know, like the elite quarterbacks, I'm not taking them in the second round like where they will go some years on or some drafts on DraftKings. Yeah, but at that three four turn Lamar, Jaden Daniels, Josh Allen, Like, yeah, I want some access to these guys because in any given year they can realistically just go like thirty forty forty And you're like you.

00:31:26
Speaker 2: And you know who they are, right, Like we know that it's them that are going to be the ones that are doing that.

00:31:31
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like it's no mystery, and all you really need is you need the skill players around them to not be the skeleton keys. Like right, Okay, So like if you take Josh Allen over Mike Evans, and you need Mike Evans, you lose, you know, yeah, so be it. But I would say, like the I don't feel that like Herbert Purdy, Caleb, you know, all the quarterbacks in there, I don't feel like they're inappropriately priced. Like I don't feel like it's not like some years where it's like the elites go in the third round and then those guys go and like the sixth round. That's like, well, I mean I only gotta pay two more rounds to get the QB one instead of the QB fifteen.

00:32:06
Speaker 4: You know, like it is appropriate price.

00:32:08
Speaker 7: So like, yeah, I am making most of my teams getting like a b Nix and a Kyler justin Fields and a Party Caleb and whatever. But like I always want, you know, I'm a Bills fan, so I gotta have some Josh Allen. I personally though, would have Josh Allen QB three this year, oh wow after Lamar And I'm just working like there's gotta.

00:32:25
Speaker 5: Be one year.

00:32:26
Speaker 7: I don't know if it is a year, but like he's not gonna just steal fifteen rushing touchdowns every year, Like they're not gonna need him to do that. They're gonna say it for the playoffs sometimes and I'm just getting a little like sixth cents, like like Jayden, He's gonna have to rock it off, like twenty five points a game, Emo, Cowboy.

00:32:44
Speaker 2: When you look at how best ball drafters just typically and generally draft, what's the one thing that you believe they do incorrectly sort of in some and all together?

00:32:55
Speaker 8: You know, this was a tough one. I never do good with pick one I love. I think the one that struck me the most. When I look back the last few years of playing bast ball. I try to do like a lessons learned every offseason and I'm like, what do I want to fix? What I want to adjust? And the thing I've been harping on lately is that I don't think we do a good enough job as drafters to like draft like we're right. We say that a lot, but I notice a lot. I see it in chats. I see it in you know, forums, discorder. By talking about it, you get halfway through and too many teams are like, oh, well, what if I got this wrong?

00:33:31
Speaker 5: Let me it's I think drafting.

00:33:34
Speaker 8: Like you're right is so key because there's going to be so much variance in chaos that happens over the course of a seventeen.

00:33:40
Speaker 5: Week season in fantasy.

00:33:42
Speaker 8: You know, we see it week to week all the time, but we get comfy that we're confident in how things are going to work out now, and the overconfidence thing is part of that aspect. But I think it's key that for that team, for that room, drafting like you've selected correctly and following through. When when people talk about like telling a lineup story, I think part of the key of that is that it's consistent with how you're building it and you're trusting that you've hit on the right guys, You've you've attacked the right archetypes, or that you know the injuries or opportunities are going to benefit who you've added to this roster. You're not double counting or or getting like you know, oh, I need a third quarterback because what about an injury. Well, draft like you're right, and if if a third quarterback comes up, that stacks cool.

00:34:27
Speaker 5: We know that that's good for the team.

00:34:29
Speaker 8: But you're not shoving something into a team because you're getting doubts halfway through the room.

00:34:34
Speaker 5: And I think that's.

00:34:35
Speaker 8: Easy for first timers, but also for people that like, you just get so much information throughout this offseason, and I think it's you start to kind of doubt or do anything like that. And that's just something I've noticed that I'm like, I want to trust my construction.

00:34:48
Speaker 5: And my players.

00:34:49
Speaker 8: Then I've gotten it right and hope, you know, cards fallow where they may. But I've been challenging myself to like, you know, quality over quantity at the positions that I've allocated correctly and just trusting that, you know, like not just throwing something on because it makes me feel better. I'm gonna challenge myself that I've gotten things correct thus far because we don't need to be perfect. We need to be close enough and then just get lucky. And I'm trying to remind myself that because I am as someone that likes to be very precise, very accurate and nail everything.

00:35:19
Speaker 2: I'm just not Yeah, when you say that you should be drafting as if you're right, I'm assuming and I think people would have this question too, is that you're focused more on the early rounds of your draft and in the middle of your draft when you're saying something like that, So if you get through round, like, is there a point in time where you know you're not in the late rounds necessarily covering your bases with what you did early, but you are drafting in the late rounds to just expand that portfolio and expand the range of outcomes and stuff of how your you know your lineup can be effective based on what goes down in the season. But I'm assuming that what you're saying is more focused on those early rounds.

00:35:56
Speaker 1: And is there a point in time where you're not thinking about that asthma U.

00:36:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Like if if I'm if I'm taking a lot of receivers early, I I'm gonna need less of them because I've I've allocated that if I took running backs early, I don't I don't need to feel like I'm getting left behind at RB three four five, because well, I've gotten two guys I trust that are.

00:36:19
Speaker 5: My my my anchor points.

00:36:22
Speaker 8: And and yeah, and and and as you say, and I think one thing we don't do well enough is like like correlation, like mining that comes in a lot of different forms and formats, And what's still really important is just hitting on league winners. And we know that a lot of league winners come from these late round guys because of injuries, because of you know, unforeseen circumstances, and so giving ourselves as many shots at mining those and and not getting distracted with trying to maybe you know, backfill something that you know, we.

00:36:51
Speaker 5: We already basically took care of.

00:36:53
Speaker 8: We filled out our starting lineup early on ideally, or we we we established and this is where I want to be strongest. And now it's just a dress seeing everything else as it's going, really really And I think part of that also comes from like building a team backwards, Like as you're getting your early picks, you're starting to see where is this going to go? And every draft room is going to be differently, but yeah, like where's this going to go? And how is this going to fit into what I've already done?

00:37:15
Speaker 1: Right?

00:37:15
Speaker 8: And I think that allows you to be flexible as well with how those rooms play out. Yeah, because getting through those rooms might be tougher than others. You get in some really sharp rooms, and I think that's where you might feel like, oh man, am I getting left behind here? Just trust that you've you've allocated it correctly thus far, and uh and it's kind of like, uh, you know, I I remember my dad like how I got taught how to drive. It was like, hey, don't focus on right in front of you. That's how you get into erect That's how you're going to like miss something. Keep looking like way ahead, several cars ahead, That's how you're going to get that bend, and that's how you're gonna get that turned. And I think drafting like that with a next few rounds full thing, how how do I want to see this roster play out as best I can? And I'm gonna veer through traffic as needed with with how I need to do that and not get hyper focused on like this round or this player.

00:38:03
Speaker 5: Those those are the drafts I feel most secure about.

00:38:05
Speaker 8: And I think if you're doing a portfolio, I think that's how you're gonna build the strongest portfolio can which is really the only way you can play.

00:38:12
Speaker 5: This game like to see results, you know, year of a year.

00:38:16
Speaker 2: I do want to ask, though, about mobile quarterbacks versus non mobile quarterbacks in Best Ball.

00:38:22
Speaker 1: Because something that I've sort of toyed with and.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: You know, have research a little bit is the fact that like the reason we love mobile quarterbacks in season long is because we're getting that really nice predictable floor from them, and then if they give us a good passing season in some way and we get these unicorns now we have Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels hopefully then and then Jalen Hurts, then they can post pretty good passing numbers while also posting good rushing numbers. But the rushing numbers are really getting, you know, justin fields into the conversation every week regardless of how good or bad his pass numbers are. That's like the Terrell pryor you know, way way back in the day and Tim Tebow and these guys who were giving you some sort of ground game work but maybe not a ton through the air, but in best ball, since you're not having to predict that output, do you think that pocket passers might actually be a little I don't want to say undervalue necessarily by the market, but are they at least more viable? And maybe we shouldn't be targeting the mobile quarterbacks as heavily or is there's still you know, a lot of a lot of good and targeting the mobile quarterbacks because from a season long perspective, we do know who those mobile quarterbacks are going to be.

00:39:31
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think this is a fun question because I think at the end of the day, it's kind of like it depends, right, because there's there are different types of mobile quarterbacks. There are there are your your Burrows, your Strouds, your dacks that they can scamper for twenty or thirty yards, your random touchdown right now and then, and you've got pocket passers like Stafford that you know, if you want to take his weekly prop of under one and a half rushing yards, which I did often last year. You know, it's like, so you've got you've got different tiers of those mobile guys. I would say that like it's price driven, right, because I think at a certain point, rushing without a pass ceiling isn't as fruitful for like total projective points, Like you're you're really just hoping for the volatile output, and how much different is that then hoping for the volatile output of a pocket passer that doesn't often, you know, exceed three hundred passing yards and three touchdowns.

00:40:23
Speaker 5: To do so.

00:40:24
Speaker 8: So I think at the end of the day, I still find them a super strong target because I think they're one of the easiest bets to outproduce their ADP simply because they just rush for more touchdowns and yards than we thought, and that can happen a variety of ways. If they are like a high rushing quarterback. I think one of the ways to do that, and there's been a lot of great, you know, studies that have been done on this is just like rookie and early.

00:40:46
Speaker 5: Year, early career quarterbacks.

00:40:49
Speaker 8: We just see those guys tend to scramble more often, and then for a lot of them, it really ticks down historically over the rest of their career, you know, anecdotally, as they learn more of the offense, they become a more accurate passer with better footwork, better timing in the system, more confidence in the pass plays, et cetera. And then even just like protecting themselves, like being able to like you know, control the hits and all things like that. So I think one of the reasons I still want to go after these rushing guys is because typically, you know, they don't project as good of passers, and if they're a much better passer than we think, then like this huge Jane Daniel's a great example, Like I still thought his price was super friendly just because of the rushing and collegiately, we saw a very very shockingly good passer deep and from an accuracy standpoint, And if the market was deciding this is just a running quarterback, you know, we're gonna.

00:41:41
Speaker 5: We're gonna.

00:41:42
Speaker 8: If the market's gonna undervalue a rusher's passing ceiling that we have confidence could be much stronger than it is, then I think that's even a better bet. But then in the fields example, we've got a lot of data that field is a pretty bad passer, and the and the offense then structurally is limited because we're rarely going to see games where he's got a lot of pass attempts, whereas a competent passer has more access to those like high pass volume games where he also adds with his legs. So I think I think it's I like digging in the weeds on these you know, every player and every instance in themselves, and so I do think blanket statement rusher, I think we tend to overstate what that really means. And I think also like not every coaching staff is buying that. I think I think a really good example that was like Herbert last year, the market was two down on and myself included on like what the pass rate could truly be in this offense with these pieces. But then Greg Roman, a coach that had no problem utilizing his quarterback's legs historically, and a quarterback we'd seen have in his rookie season a pretty nice rushing floor, and then collegiately being a strong rusher, and then you know, all those pieces coming together were like he had some of his highest ceiling games because he was able to unlock that next ceiling, this rushing work. And so I do think it's it's these are absolutely gonna be targets, and I think it's a better thing to be. Like, if I don't have a strong lean on these guys, I think to maybe split hairs and do a tier, because ultimately best ball is about ceiling, right, and just guys that can access ceiling are gonna be a higher ceil are gonna be much more powerful.

00:43:18
Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, the rushers.

00:43:20
Speaker 8: Are just gonna be able to do that because of volatility, and it also makes them easier to not have to stack right, Like, if a guy does have a rushing component to it, he can get there without carrying along a lot of his other guys. And I think in DK specifically, you know, it's gonna be hard to correlate, it's gonna be hard to stack. And one of the ways you can allevi your alleviate yourself of trying to reach out of structure, out of adp to do so on a regular basis. It's just saying that, like, I don't need to have a bunch of stacked guys with these mobile mobile aspect quarterbacks and that, and to me that that alleviates the stress of having to kind of nail the puzzle all the time.

00:43:56
Speaker 2: Mike Leoni from Established the Run, can you talk about weeks seen a bit? This has been a question that a lot of folks have come to me about. You know, I think that intuitively people understand that it makes sense because you know, it's the final week of the season, and you know, in these tournament environments we want the most upside.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: But you've done a lot of.

00:44:12
Speaker 2: Work also on week fifteen and sixteen, not just Week seventeen. So just kind of talk about it, talk about these playoff weeks and the importance of them and how much you weigh them and if you think you weigh them more or.

00:44:23
Speaker 1: Less than than other drafters do.

00:44:25
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a pretty nuanced conversation because, like I think there's people that like maybe go overboard with Week seventeen, with the idea being like, Okay, that's where the money is, that's what we got to play for. We got to optimize for Week seventeen because we're trying to win first place. But I think the point that that misses is we're building our teams now, not in Week seventeen, and your expected value and your odds of winning are impacted by your odds of advancing, you know, the first weeks one through fourteen, and weeks fifteen and week sixteen as well. So I push back a little bit onlike the that's where the money is, so that's where you have to build for. I think that's not totally correct. But at the same time, you know, if you look at the million maker on DraftKings, believe it's about one thousand a little over one thousand people in that final. If you're going to beat that many people, you probably wantch some correlation in your lineup, and not only in Week seventeen. But I think about it in terms of making sure you stack your team in general, having multiple stacks to get you through three kind of weeks that are non content continuous.

00:45:33
Speaker 4: You're starting over. You advance out of the regular season.

00:45:36
Speaker 9: You got to win week fifteen, then you got to win week sixteen, then you got to win week seventeen. And one way to do that is to have multiple quarterback stacked, where maybe one stack kicks in weeks fifteen, different stack hits in week sixteen, and then you can kind of pingpoint that in week seventeen maybe helps you get some unique combinations through to that final week. But as far as completing a game stack, which I consider to be at least one same team pass catcher stacked with your quarterback and one opponent coming back. You know, the data I've seen, which has been more geared to like half PPR sites because DraftKings hasn't you know, released the full data though I think this year they may be. That shows if you have three quarterbacks game stacked, like the odds of winning a finals, you know, can increase as much as like twenty percent over average. If you don't have any of your quarterbacks stacked, your odds of winning the finals is going to be below average. And that's and then one quarterback stacked is kind of like neutral and two is very good as well in terms of game stacks on a specific week. So it is important that correlation does matter.

00:46:40
Speaker 4: It just kind of you.

00:46:41
Speaker 9: Don't want to go overboard with it. And you brought up weeks fifteen and sixteen. That's important to stack war too, but it's not as much fun to think about, so it gets overlooked. So if everyone's trying to complete these week seventeen game stacks, which you know, the draftings SERTN is big enough, I don't know if you have to overly worry about like the combined ownership rates, but maybe a little bit. But people aren't doing it for weeks fifteen and sixteen, so maybe your bang for your buck is actually better game stacking there where people aren't doing it and you're getting these correlations that the field isn't going to have. The reason why it's a little bit less important is because you're advancing one out of twelve in weeks fifteen and sixteen as opposed to trying to win one thousand person field. So I talked a lot there about it. Put one final note, I will say, like always completing an additional team stack is important, more important than completing a game stack, Like, if I've got CJ. Stroud stacked and I've got Trevor Lawrence unstacked, it's more important for me to draft the pass catcher with Trevor Lawrence to complete that stack than it is to get an opponent of c J. Stroud's in Week seventeen, because those team stacks are going to help you advance in the regular season weeks fifteen, Weeks sixteen, and week seventeen.

00:47:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking of those team stacks, I remember years ago when you first did your first like big study on stacking, because we were texting about it and stuff, and I had used and referenced it on a mail Bag episode. And one of the things that you brought up in that because it was more it was actually like.

00:48:09
Speaker 1: Sort of season long focus and stuff too. I remember like it wasn't only like a Best Ball thing. I think it was just season long.

00:48:15
Speaker 2: But one of the notes that you made in that study and in that research was that and I try to apply this when when speaking about this in Best Ball too. But when people are stacking, especially in Best Ball, they think about the weekly upside only, right, But there's also the season long upside where if you hit on the stack that ends up just the offense in general ends up outperforming expectation by a whole lot, then your team is going to outperform expectation generally, you know, you have better rods to outperform expectations. So, like going back to your Houston example, if you have CJ. Stroud, Nico Collins, and Jayden Higgins. Let's say and you get them all at ADP, but you know, obviously you're gonna get you know, weekly spikes whenever you know, Nico Collins has two touchdowns and J. Stroud throws four and the other twour to Jayden Higgins. Let's say, you know, in a perfect world for your team, you get that weekly spike. But what if Houston is the team that ends up out performing expectation on the touchdowns per game rate by a whole lot, Then all of a sudden, you're gonna get that more frequently. And then if you get that more frequently, then you're going to outpace, you know, expectation, and in the way that that you know.

00:49:20
Speaker 1: Other teams are performing as well.

00:49:21
Speaker 2: I think that's something that often goes sort of untalked about with stacking in general.

00:49:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to expand on that.

00:49:27
Speaker 9: I think sometimes people think about only the upside component of why we correlate, but there's also in odds of getting things right in terms of why we correlate. You do what you just said with Houston, you have to get one thing right and you've gotten three spots that have paid off on ADP as opposed to like if you have a lot of Hubrists and you're like, well, no, this is the best receiver to take in this round. This is the best quarterback to taking this round, And like you know, yeah, I've got Stroud, but I like, you know this other rookie receiver better than Higgins.

00:49:55
Speaker 4: You're fighting an uphill battle.

00:49:56
Speaker 9: You've got to get three things right now, whereas I might only have have to get one thing right to have it pay off. And you have to think through each draft again in what you were saying too, is like if you're building a portfolio of drafts, you got to treat each draft like individually. That doesn't mean you have to bet on Houston and all your drafts, but in this draft, that's the bet you've made, and you do want to lean into that.

00:50:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's keep talking about stacking.

00:50:21
Speaker 2: I want to ask you two questions into one because I'm making things more and more complicated for you throughout today's show with stacking, Should you number one include running backs? And that's in those stacks? But then number two, there's been a lot of chatter over the last couple of years, and I know that ETR has done some research and some work on this, but stacking backfields, so let's say getting bay Shall, Tutin, and Travis etn as opposed to just, you know, placing a bet on one of those players in a particular draft. So are you when you're stacking? Should people be leaning into running back as well? In those stacks? And then the second point, and the second question is what about getting multiple backs when they're cheaper out of those backfields?

00:50:59
Speaker 9: First off, what we just said about the seasonal correlation with the team really a fly. It really applies to the running back position as well. If the offense rolls, everybody rolls. So yeah, I think from an advanced rate perspective, you want to include running backs in your stack, because again, you're just betting on that offense. I was just talking to Thorman over at ETR about something this morning, and he's looking at the TV's over expected leaders Jimi or Gibbs, i'mana Saint Brown, Jamison Williams all in the top twenty, you know, because the Lions, you know, went nuts.

00:51:29
Speaker 4: So keep that in mind.

00:51:31
Speaker 9: I also think sometimes for the weekly upside component, people want to avoid stacking running backs with the quarterback because kind of the mindset's very narrow of like this is a passion script or this is a Russian script. There's some truth to that. Certainly, you know, it is definitely less valuable from a weekly upside component. But as someone who's like messed around with DFS sims and has played a lot of DFS over the years, you'd be amazed how many weeks are decided by like one team just really outperform, I mean all the other teams and the running back being included in there in a build that you would think, oh, I can't build that because we're like so narrow minded thinking. You know, Jared Goff throws this game, so it's got to be Sam Laporte and I'm a Saint Brown. I can't have David Montgomery in here and then Dave, you know, they score forty five points. And so I think that part's overblown. I do want to say, as much as we're hyping up stacking point that Justin Herzig made on DraftKings, it's maybe a touch less important than other sites because you get the full PPR scoring and you get those hundred yard bonuses. Some of these volume driven up kind of stats sort of diminish the stacking because the touchdown components, you know, Stroud throwing a touchdown in Eco Collins, Yeah, and then both getting those touchdown points a little bit diminished when you know Puka can go you know, ten for one hundred and a game. The rams stink a little bit less important. Yeah, rand point just a little bit. But as far as taking running backs together, I want to look at this closer. I looked at this really closely for a single year a few years ago, and it was kind of interesting.

00:53:05
Speaker 4: To look at.

00:53:05
Speaker 9: And what I had found was these running backs that were a little bit cheaper. You know, think a running back with like, you know, a round four to six tag and a running back with maybe around eight to thirteen tag where they kind of had distinct roles in the offense. Maybe one was the two down rusher with touchdown upside. The other guy was kind of the pass catching upside. Pairing those together worked pretty well where you're kind of pingponging weeks based on how the game script goes for the team, and then they each do have this kind of contingency upside if the other one gets hurt. But it's got to be pretty clear, like what the roles are and that there's not a third and knowing back that's going to come in, because you know, part of that bet is running back b gets hurt, running back A you know, has this upside that you want to have.

00:53:55
Speaker 4: It seemed to matter.

00:53:56
Speaker 9: Handcuffing seemed to matter a little bit less than like the orthodox handcuff situation. That would be kind of like taking Saekwan Barkley first overall, and maybe you know Will Shipley because you're like, oh, I get you know, if Barkley gets hurt, I got to take Will Shipley with the twenty rounder.

00:54:11
Speaker 4: There's a little bit more room for that.

00:54:12
Speaker 9: Again, you can get more creative, but I don't go out of my way to do that. Now, the ambiguous backfields, which is what you asked about with Jacksonville, the advance rates and whatnot, weren't great in terms of pairing those backs together against small sample, I want to look at it again. But those backfields generally had one guy who had a really good advance rate, So they're just good backfields to target. And again, your bet in a draft doesn't have to be your bet everywhere. If Tutin falls and I take him, you know, I don't know if I want to pair him with Etn. I might just want to make my bet on Tutin in this draft, but another draft I might make that bet on just Etn. So over your portfolio, I think it makes a ton of sense to be investing in the these ambiguous backfields, especially if you think, you know, like Kank Bigsby's out and it's gonna be one of these two guys, but within a single draft. Probably not going out of my way to handcuff them. One caveat is I will try anything if the value is really good. You know, if I eat in around pass value and I can get tuned in around pass value, I'm gonna pair them together in that situation.

00:55:23
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00:55:31
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