Ghost with Nicole Byer

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Speaker 1: On The Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. Welcome to a very spooky episode. I wanted the confidence to open with a spooky but I did not. Um. Welcome to the Beachdel Cast. This is our podcast where we talk about the role of women in movies. Hey, why is it called the Bechdel Cast Because it's inspired by the Bechdel Test by Mr Jerry Bechdel. Jerry Tyrone Bechdel. I'm man, just kidding. Alison Bechdel developed a test whereby two women in a movie have to talk to each other, they have to have names. First of all, they have to talk to each other. Their conversation has to be about some thing other than a man. Is this too much to ask of any movie? Usually? Yeah, I wouldn't think so. But you think it would just be really easy to write two women into your story and have them talk about a fucking sandwich or something. Yeah, Hey, nice sandwich. Thank you. My name is Carrie. My name is Carrie Done. Two women named carry talking about a sandwich that passes one of them. One of them c A R y the other one spells at c A R R I E. Yeah. But still this never happened. I don't know why I'm so angry so far, but I'm I have a Mike's Hard. I have a Mike's Hard Lemonade. You never have a Mike's Hard lemonade. I know we both have one. For the record, I love when people who listen to the podcast tweet pictures of them drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade to us, just to check in and be like, hey, we're supporting the brand that you've never received any financial support from. You just happened to be a fan of their products. And to you, guys, I say, hey, thank you. Keep enjoying the Mike's brand. I know waiting at us with your photo of it Mike's Hard Lemonade. Answer our tweets, please send us a case enable us. Anyways, it's got a nice cold Mike's Hard Lemonade in hand, strawberry lemonade. Baby Aristotle was giving us a hard time about it, because he was like, isn't that the bad flavor? And it's like, well, isn't every flavor the bad flavor of misade? So true tastes like my problematic past. Speaking of problems now anyway, Hey, let's introduce our guest. Hey, I'm excited for it to talk about today's movie, and it'll explain the spooky the failed spooky motif. We did a great job. But hey, before we talk about that, let's introduce our guests. You've got a terrific comedian, very funny lady. You know we're from Girl Code on MTV. That cute dogs, Nicole Buyers. I love how the original segue was speaking of problematic here. I know it didn't make any sense. I was like, this is a dumb transition. Now I liked it, and I wish you had an abandon and I wish you had doubled down, Like this woman is a real problem. She got here five minutes late. She's bad. She's not drinking a Mike's hard lemonade. She's a bad potato only because we didn't offer you one. No, it's okay, I'm gonna go to the gym after this. Oh you're a better woman than we are. We're literally going to get another mix. That's the plan. So we're talking about the movie Ghosts. When did you first see the movie? Um, I don't remember how old I was, but I assume maybe like eight, maybe seven, maybe six. I was very young. A lot of the things went over my head. But I just loved Whoopie Goldberg. I thought she was so funny in it. And then I loved Patrick Swaze. I was like, oh man, he makes my downstairs quiver. And then I would just I just watched that movie so many times. Would you say it's one of your favorites, it's my favorite favorite of all? Yeah? I love it. I had seen it, I think probably for the first time in college. Remembered the very famous pottery fox. Of course, I didn't remember much else about it many years past, and then I rewatched it again for this episode, and I was like, oh, ship, this is a good movie. It's a great movie that would never get made today, right, Yeah it is. So. It's funny, it's scary, it's sweet. I love it. It holds up, it does. I was a little nervous because I watched it with my mom. I think when I was like a young teen aby thirteen or fourteen, and I remember loving it and being like maybe I was just a babe, but I was like I was a little bit afraid of it, but I was also a little bit turned on. But it like it has everything, has everything you could possibly want, but it holds up in a pretty major I was like so pleasantly surprised that how much fun it was to say, And if you just analyze it from like a storytelling screenwriting standpoint, it's really well crafted. Like you mentioned, this movie would never be made today, which yes it would not. But also a movie just came out called a Ghost Story starring Ruoney Mara and Casey Affleck, and the problematic, speaking of problematics, the log line is in this singular exploration of legacy, love loss in the enormity of existence, a recently diceased, white sheeted ghost returns to his suburban home to try to reconnect with his bereft wife to find white like an old school. That's the movie poster. And I bet you it's not a comedy and it should be. Like a woman turns around in her bedroom and she's like a child ghost chicker tree in my bedroom yeah, yeah, look up, this is the movie covered in a sheet. What is it? I mean, I'm all for covering Casey have like in a sheet wherever he may be. What is it called a ghost story? A ghost story? Oh Man, bad HANDA hilarious came out July seven. Okay, it has sent on rotten tomatoes. Oh I just shall we go see it? Honestly, maybe we should go see it. But Roger Ebert gave it four out of four. I don't buy it's not even alive. But really, yeah, it was his website. Probably I thought Siskel was dead or they both? Did? They know who's reviewing movies? Who we are? Who's a roper? Roper? Al? Oh? Fuck? I really confused with two people? Who's roper? Replaced Cisco and Siskel died? Oh so who replaced Ebert? No one? You can't replace Ebert. I wonder if they're like arguing in Heaven't like, how come I got replaced? Replaceable? But he sings it like replaced every time you're irreplaceable. It reminds me of my freshman in high school history teacher, because that was when that song came out. She would try to connect with us by asking us to pass all our homework to the left to the left and then would turn this song on while we would pass our homework. What an awful job? What a terrible do you have to try to? Like? She sat at home. I was like, how can I get through Beyonce? Beyonce will help me teach the love of science. Now I just need to develop a lesson plan that involves the left. Sad shout out to Miss McCray. You did your best anyway, Jamie. When did you first se this movie? I saw it when I was probably around the Miss McCray era. My mom sometimes would just choose a summer night to show us one of her weird, horny movies. This was one of them that she'd had on cassette. And then she's like, Jamie, I think that because she knew that I had a thing for Patrick Swayze, and she for some reason was like, that's good because you and Patrick Swayze have the same birthday. And my mom believes fun fact about my mom, she thinks everyone who has the same birthday shares a part of each other's soul. So she believed she believed because Patrick Swayzy was alive at the time. She believed that Patrick Swayzy and I had in August eighteenth connection and that I should see the movie, and I thought I loved it. So me and Michael Jackson had a connection. We were both born on August twenty night. Yeah, both of your birthdays are coming up pretty soon? Are you a liover go? I'm a Leo. Oh, I'm a virgo. I've been wronged by virgos in the past. Oh well, I'll push you down the stairs. Let's keep the trend going my way out. I'm just like your leg will splint her out of your body, just like in the Beguild. Just go in the Beguild. That doesn't pass the back to old test, does it? Um? I don't even remember. It was such a terrible movie that I've blocked it from memory. It's a wild movie, right, It's like set during the Silver War and there's no black people, and there's yeah, the Sofia couple of the couple in their original version. It's just like way more interesting and better, and it's not all white people. We shouldn't be the Silver War era. It was like in Virginia pretty heavily black. Granted we were in the background picking up things but like just put us in there. Yeah. No, Sofia couple is like, I don't know how it's going to be white blonde, Yes, Sofia a couple of games all the shrug and she was like, we don't know what she really was she like asked about Yeah, I mean she very intentionally wrote out the only black character and yeah, she's unnoticed. She's unnoticed. Wow. Yeah, So she like had to like a thought in her brain and she was like, oh, I'll just get rid of that problem her. I mean, her excuse was like, well, I don't know how to write a black character. It's like, well, then talk to someone do your job. But also, dummy, all you have to do if they're not speaking in like the language of the time, you just cast a black person in that part. Do you know what I'm saying. If she didn't know how to write slave talk like and if nobody else is speaking the way they spoke back, then you just write that character the way you write the white people and then cast a black person. That's like people like I don't know how to write women. Just write a man and then change his name from Jason to Allison, and then you have a woman congratulations, very easy. Everyone is horny and tortured regards of Yeah, Sofia couple is unnoticed. She's unnoticed. But let's talk about the movie. Ghost Goes is a fun movie that doesn't suck the way that Beguiled does. So I'll do the recap of Ghost Molly Molly Jensen. Molly Jensen is married to Sam Waite. They're not married yet. Oh sorry, Oh yeah, they never get married and never get married because he goes on her. Yeah, he ghosted her the Ultimate ghost in Ultimate Ghost Her, but then like hung around. Yeah, he's like every fucking man of now right, Like, I don't want to be together, but I'm going to scare you and I have to follow your every Move's gonna watch you. Another man comes in your house, I'm going to scare him away and follow him home. I'm gonna learn how to kick a can. Oh man, I'm mad. I think we pretty much already recaped love the kick a can scene, the whole montage where he learns how to be a better ghost montage. Honestly, if someone knows how to do this, please put that whole sequence to other with milans make a man that song, I'll make a man. How do you? I would really love it. There's also just like, okay, I know that we didn't even get one sentence into the recap, but there's so many fun one scene character actors in this movie. The hospital ghost who presently hangs out it waits for other ghosts. No, he's waiting for his wife to die. Yeah? Oh does he is that what he meant by that? Okay? Because then he just watches a man die in the surgery table in his life, Yeah, that's gonna happen, just like, thank you so much. And then there's a scary subway ghost. Oh my god, guy's incredible. One flew over the cuckoo's nest. He's perfect. You think I jumped always pushed me, which I guess I do anything for. Who are you? Who sent you? Joe? It's my love it? Suicide again right onto that train, but this time he's dead. I love it. Oh wait, do you want to do the really fast? So Molly and Sam are together. They live in its nice, new, huge fucking apartment in New York City. How do they afford it while he's a rich banker? Fine? They're out one night and they get mugged and he gets murdered and they think it's just like a random killing, and his spirit stays behind. He's a ghost now, but Molly can't see him. So he goes to a psychic, Odo May Brown played by Whoopi Goldberg, and he starts to figure out that this murder was actually like an intentional First Whoopee is a psychic who's faking it the whole time. So then Patrick Sweezy Sam Weed is giving like audio commentary, like give me a brick, and then she's like, who is it? Huh? And her sisters are like, what's happening? And then he's like, say my name Sam Wait, Say my name Sam wait. And then she's like then she runs to a closet and then and then her sisters go some queen. Her sister's there's so funny, there's no she's talking to a white man again. We gotta called the doctor. It's so funny, it's great. So he goes to her to try to because it turns out that she can actually like communicate with the dead, the spirits who have who She has that crazy backstory like the more you learn about you're just like this woman has lived a very interesting way. Yeah, So He goes to her to be like, can you communicate to Molly for me? Because I gonna warn her that she's in danger. Because he starts to figure out that he was set up and he was murdered intentionally because his friend Carl Carl was so hot. Carl Carl, I suppose he takes his shirt off. He's sure. Tony Goldwin, I had like my sexual awakening watching this movie. But then odom A Brown goes to Molly after Molly like doesn't answer, and then she's talking to Molly and then Sam's like, tell her she's in danger, and she's like, I tell her my own way. She goes Molly, you and danger girl. It's another favorite line reading of mine. It's so good. It took me a while. It took me till midway in the movie. I'm like, oh my god, it's fits from Scandal, And then I got horny. He plays the president. Yes, he's the president on Scandal. Has a badass, beautiful man. I saw her once in the airport and I almost died. I don't get star struck, and I don't think I was. I was just like, I don't want to open my p I just love him. Oh, God, he's great. You did get to see him shirtless, which I forgot if you were if you did in this movie, and I was like, well, thank god. Because he spills the coffee on himself because I think he's trying to seduce Smolly. But I don't understand why he's trying to seduce Molly. Oh no, that is gibolical. No, it's to get her on his side, Odo May says anything. She's already slept with him, so she feels an allegiance to him. That's so fucked up. And I can't believe I've watched that movie a hundred times and just now unders him. I feel very dumb. No, I mean it's not super explicit, but perfect. He's a manipulative That's that's what it is to me. It's just like it. But it turns out he is a bad guy. He's trying to He hired money Willie Lopez to not murder Sam Weet, just steal his bank book with like codes in it because he's like laundering money. But then Willie Lopez couldn't get it, so Willie Lopez accidentally kills him. So then they're having a conversation. He's like, you murdered. Hi, man, He's like, did you won't feel free? And yeah, And at first I was feeling for for Willy Lopez, but then at the end you find out when you see Willie Lopez go to Hell, all the blood rises from the floor and it's like, oh, this man has killed and that's why he's got that bear clow tattoo and the like it's like a tear drop tattoo. Fact. Willy Lopez. I cannot remember his actual his like real life name, but he's a comic. He was, Yes, he stand up and he was like pretty funny. I watched a couple of clips. Hell yeah he did his Oh yeah he died. His Wikipedia picture is just a picture of him from Ghost. Yeah. It's literally like Ricky Vellis that looks like the picture when he's looking in the mirror when Sam we makes it all foggy and writes boot, I literally have seen this movie so many times there. That was one of the things that stood out to me. That scene when like Willie is like basically going through a series of rooms before he's hit by three cars at one. But they're like a practical effect in this movie are really they're really great, Like she flying off the walls and the and the boo and you're just like, funk, this is like really it is a well done as movie. It was scary. I remember like that that freaked me out when I was a little The beginning scares me when they because they're in the new apartment they're renovating it and it's Carl, Molly and Sam and they're like hitting through this thing and then like as like light happens, a big noise happens, and I still I'm like, oh, and it's not the scariest part of the movie, no, but but I get it's like and it's kind of like foreshadowing. Yeah. So he goes to Otomey is like your dead boyfriend, Sam Weed is communicating to you through me, and here's everything he's saying. And at first she doesn't believe otomy, and then she starts to come around. She's like, hey, maybe, but then meanwhile Carl is manipulating her into being like, actually, no, you're crazy, you're not here, like go start real. And then they still to just piece more and more things. Soone they don't believe, don't believe her. And that woman said, honey, if you go start watching me every day, I'd never take a shower again, and then walks away and I was like, you can't, you're so rude, which is technically a scene that by our rules passes the back del Well, she doesn't have a name's just an officer. She's not giving a name. Well, we'll get there later. One of the coolest things about this movie for me was the fact that, like in most movies, it's very hard to identify what everyone's motivation is at every point in the movie. But for this, like every main character is super motivated in a way that makes a ton of sense, Like down to the fact that Patrick Swayze low key kind of blackmails Whoopi Goldberg into continuing to work with him, and she has stuff at steak, and me Moore has stuff at steak because she, I mean, everyone around her saying something different. And it would be so easy to just write her characters like this lady's grieving and she things ghost surreal, but like she's taking in all the information and doing the best she can, just being gaslighted by Tony freaking Goldwin. And like it's just every character has like a very specific It's so each scene is like a sketch because each character has a game and everyone plays their game, and it's like, if it's true, what else is true? Like all of Odomy Brown scenes to meet our sketches, they heightened perfectly, and you blow out the world and you get out, and then like the next scene heightens what she's doing. So like when I learned how to write sketches, I would watch Ghost a lot because I was like, these are perfect, like especially when they're in the bank and sam Weed is whispering to Odomy and she's like, why are you whispering? That is such a funny specific because like she remembers she was talking to a ghost and has to do like x Y and it's my favorite moment. Uh No, you're right though, Like if you just isolate every scene, it's just like every scene serves a purpose, it heightens well. Yeah, everything is just a very well crafted story. I'm kind of upset with myself that I didn't like, revisit it sooner and pay more change into it. It works on every level, and the romance is really good and I get it and I love that to me more sort of, I mean for the most part immediately before he dies, granted, but basically proposes to Patrick Swayzy and he's like, hey, I don't have any jewelry on me, but I do. We should get married, you know, and and and that's like I want to talk about that scene. Yeah, yeah, I think the recap is done. He's a ghost. He's a ghost. He gets murdered in a billowy burgundy shirt that he used to wear for the rest of his chucked into his pants. What happens, What happens to the world if he untuch, I don't know, it would explode and maybe he untucked and then it magically goes back in because that's the way he died. And I like in the Santa Claus where he shaves off his beard back. I love that this schizophrenic subway gust. It's like, your shirts not real, your body is not real. But he references the shirt specifically, and it's like, thank you. I've been thinking about what a great outfit to die in. For sure. Yeah, he woren't to the play. They went to go see Macbeth Mabeth another grade. He fell asleep and he was snoring, but anyway, so yeah, he finally convinces to help Molly talk to the thing and they figured all the thing out, and the ministery, the murder gets solved, and then all the bad guys die and then finally Sam's spirit can ascend Molly. It's amazing the love inside you get to take it with you, and then he goes up to heaven. I was weeping. It's really touching, it really is. And there was and and this was while I was watching the movie because I love Swazie. We after all share each other soul Annway and then in August eighteenth cents. But I I did posit at one point because every time I watched the scene between Patrick Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg, I'm like, oh, for sure they were real life friends, like you can just yes, that's how she got the job. Patrick Swayzey was like, I won't do this movie unless Whoopi Goldberg does this movie. Yeah. Then I read some article that Tina Turner was like one of the original choices and then the reference tinga turn in the movie. But I don't know how true that is, and I didn't get that. I started reading. I looked up and this is like slightly more bid, and like, I bet Whoopie Goldberg had a great tearful public appearance after Patrick Swayze's death. And I watched what she said several days after on the view, and it was check it out YouTube dot com, YouTube dot com. I've never been to that website. It's it's a new cool It's just short clips of your favorite song of history and time. I better get it. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Whoopi Goldberg basically credits quite a bit of her success to Patrick Swayze. Is like vouching for a year, want to fucking oscar for it, and became a legitimate movie star. And I can't think of another bankable black movie star like that. I mean, she's she's one of a kind in everyone, but I didn't realize the role Swazy had and man, and she also said, fun fact this Swazy loves to moon his close stars, like whenever she was saying, like, she cited a specific scene where it's her and Swayzie and and it's like, you're the shots are back and forth between a tight shot on her and a tight shot on him, and She's like, whenever it was like a shot on just me. Swazie was off on the side moon and me making me laugh. What a goofball, what a warrior arrest in paradise and you're just like they were good friends. That makes me so happy because they had they have such a great chemistry together. It's so it's so much fun to watch them together. I don't know, it makes me feel like a kid to be like, oh, man, I hope they're really friends in real life. But it may be they were really friends in real life. But okay, So I wanted to talk about that scene where she effectively proposes to him. It's right before he gets murdered, which is just more great writing. I never started telling chance to get married, but she's like, I want to marry you. I've been thinking about a lot, and I think we should just do it. And he's like, well, you never wanted to talk about it. So the implication is that maybe he proposed, or maybe he was just like, hey, are we gonna get married? Like what's going on? And she's like, well, no, like which I like because so often in movies and just society in general, this idea is put forth that if you're in a hetero relationship, women are just like I can't wait to get married and want to get me so much and I can't wait till it happens. I just want to have to sit around and wait till he asks me. And I can't wait for that day because it's gonna be the best day in my life. And just so I like that she was the one who was like, actually, I don't want to talk about it. It's not important to me right now. And then finally it was on her terms where she's like hey, She's like I thought about it and I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah, I think Molly is you can like write her off. Is like just like this whiny, sad, widowed woman, but like she's pretty complex. She's got short hair, which is the baldest woman is in charge, and then she has her own business. She's like a pretty successful sculptor. She wears masculine clothing, she wears like overalls and stuff, but then she has like a soft feminine sign and then she proposes to her boyfriend. Yeah, like, I I like her character. I like that she and then like the fact that she did go to the police to talk about a ghost. Takes a lot of balls to be like, well, I mean I don't know, this ship seems true. Let me fucking figure this out. And she was like totally aware of how crazy she sounds. She's like, I know this sounds so stupid, but like I gotta hear me out. And it was also the way that the scenes between her and outamate and we'll get to also Patrick Spacey play out was also believable, and that she does not respond to Odamy the first time, because that was probably scary and confusing, but then eventually, I mean it, that seemed like a realistic betrayal of grief of like, Okay, there's been enough specifics and like, what do I have to lose by just listening to this person a little bit? And that sort of is like and even down to like the shirtless Tony Goldwin the deceiver, that's a very common and that was something that and not to get personal, but like that was something that resonated with me specifically of like the deceased man's best friend trying to look out for not quite the widow, but basically the widow of his best friend. I feel like that's sort of a normalized thing of like, well, if his friend can't take care of her, then you know, he'll take care of her. And I think that that's a creepy thing and the reason that my uncle Butch is in my life and I hate Uncle Butch, but he's the Tony Goldwin except a liar and not hot. But anyways, I but it was even realistic how those scenes played out between the two of them. Of like, you know that dem Moore's characters really isolated herself from people, and Tony Goldwyn is one of the only people she really trusts and has a connection with because she knew and and so even the fact that they might have hooked up if Patrick Swayzy hadn't overture of himself remember me. Oh. Then also, Carl was pushing Molly so hard to like get over it. I feel like that happens a lot when a loved one passes away. The people around you were like, you have to move on. It's like well, and I like that she like slapped him at one point and she was like, no, Carl, and it was like, yeah, Carl, let her fucking grieve, even though I know that, like you murdered her boyfriend, Like if you hadn't let her grieve, still be wrong even if you murder. Yeah. Oh, I'd like to propose a new movie role that I noticed in this movie The Man in the Loosest Khakis is up to something before and well because Patrick Swayze, who in their right mind would put a pair of loose khakis on Patrick Swayze, He's got the bus but the butt of the center so there, so he's in tight pants the whole time. But Tony Goldwin, they they like to put him in loser. Yeah, I guess I gotta go and attention to that. You know what scene. I really love the elevator scene in the beginning, it's like towards the beginning, they're like, in the elevator they talk about how Karl needs to pay off his Mustang. They get in the elevator and then he starts coughing and he's like the doctor says, it's contagious, and uh, I do that often. I won't do sickness. But when I'm in an elevator with my roommate, I'll look at him and I'll go, why won't you just have a baby with me? And he goes, now is not the time, and I'm like, please, when is the time to talk? John? I love you? And then he always like, it's into exactly what I want, even though he doesn't mean to it. He'll be like I'm never taking elevated with you again, and I'm like why are we fighting? And he's like stop it. And then people are always like, oh no, that's very funny. That's a great scene because it's basically it's like it uses a diversion so that we won't suspect Carl is this evil militias there showing how close they are. The movie is really well written and very well executed. It's a great movie. I was blown at how many different points. I'm like, wow, I didn't I forgot that part happened. And that's so smart because every scene has a purpose that never happens never. It's so well. It's so famous for the pottery Fox scene, which actually makes me furious because but it's so horny. She's sculpting az if you will out of clay and he puts his hand into it, sucks it up, and she's just like okay. But I feel like she did a good job of being like, huh, well it's not now, because she does get a little terse with him, and I was like, oh, I like that. That's like a real relationship. I would have like elbowed him in the face and been like fuck you, you ruined, but but then you win and get to funk. When I was little, I was like, why aren't their hands dirty? How did they did they clean? What makes me furious? So they get all that, they get all I know, I know, but I just well, I want to see a tense scene of penersuavy and for me more washing their hands and we're going to hook. So even before that, when they're like getting their hands all dirty, I just and it's supposed to be very hot because they're running on their hands on each other and getting each other more laid. To me, that so grows. I think sex should be in a sterile environment, in a white room. We're not all gonna pods unchane melody playing while their little fingies are touching. And I think no part of two people's bodies should touch during sex except for their genitals. I think people should just be far, just farm and just just rusting and receiving. Yes, that is how I think sex should be. So this scene here's a fun to Really I asked my old roommate Evan to take my virginity and he said okay, and he's gay, and I was like, okay, but I don't want you to touch me because that might change our relationship. So I was like, I will wear a crotchless le a tart or like a snap crotch last, and you can interview that way, but do not touch my titties, and do not touch my face and don't kiss me. We didn't end up having sex because I had too many rules. He was like, I can't just like do my thing, and I was like, no, no, absolutely not the best. Yes, it was definitely for the best. It would have been fun for either one of us. You've been like I wish you were a man. I'd be like, I wish you were a straight man who loved me. Well, anyway, that that the part where he's where is it? Hope that wasn't a masterpiece did make me laugh because I was trying to like in my head, I'm like, what if she had done like what if she was an oil painter? And he just was like, wasn't a masterpiece? Would you like to fuck me? I mean that's with any creative job. I imagine she was doing a stand up show and he walked on stage was like, I hope you weren't trying to have a good set. Yeah, or if she was a surgeon, he just came in and stuck his hand and a body. This wasn't a casualty. He heckled her pottery. But okay, here's a plot. Hole does bother me? He passes away. It seems like he's pretty well off. He's doing well in his profession. There's a promotion on the table, etcetera. They just moved into this really nice apartment. Are we to expect on a potter sal She can afford this apartment by herself life insurance and then they do packages when people die. They give you a bunch of money to loved ones when you have a good job. And then if they had sold any assets, so like if they each owned a home and sold it or whatever, she would get the money from his house, so it could work. Yesbsolutely yeh. Dead people with good jobs usually take care of you, Okay, Because it was like I didn't want her to move, but I was just like, how that's a great apartment. They live in New York and she has like a Also, remember it's the eighties or the early nineties and he and he works in finance in some ways, so we're to believe he like cats. Okay, that brings up a point I wanted to talk about. He never offers to nor pays what Pio Goldberg's character for all of her services. Oh no, he should be like like a mutual well kind I mean, no, a ghost can't pay you. Well, but he could have been like, hey, Molly, throw her a bone. Well, I think she's gonna be fine because she can hear ghosts and she can charge more. Remember when he goes back and she was like, I got ghosts from New Jersey coming in. And then uh, that woman was just like where's the money. And then that man jumps in her money and wouldn't you do to your hair? Do you like it? It's autumn sunra. That's so good. It's very funny. But I think she because he did help her. He showed her that she can speak to dead people, so then she will always be busy and she can charge so much money. Sure, I still I think that he should have offered to pay, especially because he kind of teases her with like you're going to get formed, or like he doesn't tease her. He shouldn't know how much money he was murdered for. He just knew it was money. So then when that's why when the guy goes, oh, you are taking out four million dollars and she goes four million? Do say yes? Say yes? How would you like that? Tess in twenties? Excuse me? Cash? She has check? I think a cash she has check is best. I love it. I her outfit that hole, It's like it's perfect. And she's like, you don't like my outfit. He's like, no, I love it's great. Don't change, Nicole. I want to see your one woman show where you just reenact the entire movie of GHOL. I mean, if they ever do a remix and I am not casting it, I will literally end my love. I love it so much. I just got overwhelmed. Well, I mean, and also, we haven't talked about Odomay his first outfit with the fun when her sister opens, oh, no, one's in the door, and then and think, or no, is it bronze? Or is it is it like maybe a closet is orange? Maybe, but she's had a metallic like golden robe. And then and then does this amazing Oh god, and Patrick Swayze as most of like most scenes in the movie, lurking, Patrick Swayzy really mastered a resting expression in this movie, just like yeah, but but in a way that was very You're like, you know, he really is listening. He really is listening in that beautiful bergun t shirt billowing, very billowing billowing. So we talked a lot about Molly being a pretty complex character. She's a little boring, especially when you compare her everybody else in the movie she has. She's working with a lot. Like growing up, I'd be like Molly, but then like as I got older, I was like, oh no. She was literally dealing with the love of her life, dying and trying to figure out this woman who says she can hear him, and then a best friend he was like, it's okay, come on, touch my body. And you know, she's got a new house. It's a lot. She's dealing with so much and she's still and she continues working. And also they renovated it. It was fixed. It was like just like an empty space. So I'm sure they got it very cheaply, great time to die sway renovating stressful. Yeah. I I was not like particularly impressed by her, like because everything she does in the context of what happens in the story and makes sense, and her reactions pretty much universally makes sense to me. But things are usually happening to her versus her doing things like she goes to the police, but that doesn't really yield anything. It's mostly we I feel like most things we see with her, she's receiving information right, so it's like, you know, which makes sense because she's not really Sam Weeds, the protagonist of this story, makes sense that he's the one driving the story. So the fact that she does pretty much anything that influences anything is good because often women in a story are just there is a set piece, really just oh I look hot and I'm here to look at and uh, that's all I have to Women in this movie are treated well. I think. I think they're well written, and they serve a purpose. Even that cop being so nasty sets the tone of how Odemy is going to be treated in that scene, because then the other cop is like, we have her file, and it's like, oh, oh no, and then it makes the audience even start to well, not even doubt because we know, we know. But when you're like, oh, ship, this may not work out because ode May has a record and Will Lopez is clean, we understand why Molly then might start to question her own reality of what's happening, and we're so it's like fuck. So it's like, really a great victory when she starts to believe ode may again because we see like she used to fake ideas. Con artist makes sense. Yeah, yeah, it's we're so horny for this movie. It's such a good movie. I can't remember who I just watched it with, but they're like, yep, holds up, yeah, I have some some fun behind the scenes facts about tell them so. In terms of possible casting, Deme Moore's character could have been Julia Roberts right, which would have made sense for the time, but thank god Harrison Ford was the original pick. But then and this really brings the view in and brings whoop be back, you know. But I guess the director or the writer I think exactly which I saw an interview with Patrick Swayze where he openly cried about the death of his father and they were like, Wow, what a hot man being sad in public. We've got to have him as as Sam Wheat, And so that's how Patrick Swayze got the part. And then Patrick Swayze, I guess Oprah was the original pick for to May Yeah, and they really wanted her, but Patrick Swayzey was like, you've gotta cast Whoopee and then what we had some amazing Oprah would have been just so different. I don't know if that role would have been funny, right, I don't think. And that's the thing is, I did not realize that. I just didn't have like I didn't recognize the name. But the I feel like the reason that Whoopie works so well in this movie and is like directed so well, and that this movie has so many funny moments is because it's the same director as Airplane and The Naked Gun. Oh. I didn't know. There's like just like a bunch of famous older comedy movies. Um, what a versatile director. That guy who directed it, Jerry Jerry Jerry Zucker, Yes, and then Robert Zemeckis I think was a producer on it. He was involved. He did a Back to the Future is another favorite of mine. It's my all time favorite. I just watched it last night. Really, I watch that there's like five movies that I will watch forever. I can do what you're able to do with ghosts basically reciting the entire script, all the dialogue. I can do that with Back to the Future. Such a great movie. Another very well crafted story, is it? It's a wild story? Well the first one, Like there's so much plant and payoff in that story, and just like every little detail gets paid off later on. Like so I like the third one better than the second one. Honestly, the second one kind of sucks. I like the second half of the second The second half of the second one is good because when he goes back to and then the wild wild last that's fun. I like it. That was that was three? Yeah, I go it goes one three two for me. Fair, I've got another effect about ghost Please please tell us this is This is fun and sort of speaks to um what we were talking about earlier of just like just write a female character. Um. Originally Otomy was written as a white male psychic character. Yeah, the first draft of this movie, right, I don't think I've ever met Oh no, that's a lot. Well, no, he read my tarot cards, but like he was really I don't I've never read my cards were New Orleans. It's very strange, that is, Yeah, how did he fall into that? It was very bad? I handed him all the tarot cards upside down somehow, because he was like, handing to me anyway you want. So I twisted a bunch of them around and he went, huh, I don't know what that means. And I was like that you're bad at this. You're very bad at your job. They're straight men should not be allowed to read cards. They just shouldn't honestly, shouldn't be allowed to do anything in society. Yeah, noticed banned them from Ghost By apparently was written as a white male character. And then the writers of stand By Me, for some reason, there was some sort of conversation. You mean that movie was almost exclusively straight white man. You know, suggestions come from strange places. But they suggested, hey, that's an interesting character. What if it was a woman. And then the writer wrote otomy and the world was better off. So it's really not that difficult, and in fact, usually your output will benefit from another good female character. Do you think Molly and Otomy Brown retain a friendship and go remember that ghost The Molly otomy seemed that we as an audience don't get to see, Oh man, where is that? I love to watch them because let's Samy use her body and then they like dance and I think kiss right now, almost just stay there. I mean it's intimate, it's very intimate. But you get the beginning with Odomy's red fingernails as they like intertwined, so you know that this is the deal, Like it's not just like they're closing their eyes and like they're making physical contact. And then cut too, and and the scene that I like very clearly remembered was like, you know, like Swazie and to me reuniting beautiful and you're crying, but you just gotta go that whoopee is the one. And then you see at the end of that scene there's a very quick shot of them, you know, because then Tony goldans like hey, I'm about to die. And then and then you see them like physically separate. So you're like, oh that all happened. Why not just inter cut some of it for for us? And I was I was like, oh, yeah, whoopy and to me are at the same height. How did it work? How did she nestle her sweet little head? Gotta just suspend that disbelief. I did want to see that though. Well that brings up another point where men are always trying to control women's bodies. They're always trying to enter you. And the scene she gives, but earlier she not give consent. Orlando did not get consent. Nando, Like God, I forgot his name was Orlando? Oh, Nando, You can't be jumping into a bout as you know, that WAPs you out. I love that's a rule that this movie. Yeah, when they follow it, and it pays off later on because then Sam's like, I'm too tired and too weak, and then those cars get in trouble. But then you hear and he like push his carl and then all the ghosts. I liked in that big scene where suddenly out of May is an actual psychic and now she's there's like a million people in her room. All the ghosts are friends and they all know each other out. But then there's weird like it's just like the regular world where there's like the scary schizophrenic guy who hangs out at the tracks, but there's also a community that you can hang in, like there's all sorts of people. Here's a question and I don't know the answer. It's not a trick. Are there any female ghosts in the movie and dead husbands? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's kind of hard to tell in that scene because at sam Wat's funeral, he sees a ghost walks through the grave. And then when all when she tells all the ghosts to get out, I believe I saw someone in a skirt walk through the wall. That's yes, But there are no like real female ghosts who have a effect on the movie. They don't. They don't get they don't get Orlando moments. I mean when I'm glad Orlando, because that was like one of my that made me laugh really hard when well, I was annoyed that he like, without what these permission, enters your body, which is like, can we call it rape? But not ghost? Ghost rules are confusing, which are confusing that I loved that. I love the first time that Patrick Swayze someone like walks through him with his with their guts and You're like, no, Patrick Swayzy can see poorly random body animation. What a curse? I forgot that happened. And I love that he was so scared to go through he'd be like, oh no, oh no. Then he leaps through the door and he's like and he like looks back at the door and was like, yeah, dude, you're fucking ghost. What don't you get And then when he goes to the turnstile for the first time and he like stops and looks back. You're a ghost. Keep going, he's new, he doesn't know every single time or yeah, whenever he sticks his head through, something's like is this safe? Yes, and you're like, you're a goddamn ghost. You are fine, You're fine. There's a lot of great Swayzy reaction shot when he finds when he finds out Carl is betraying him the first I thought you were my friends, right, But but first that long shot of just Swayze's eyes watering, like, but I thought friendship was forever, so beautiful. Oh, this movie is so fun and I love really some woman knows where you live. A lot of women know where I live. Can we talk about the climactic sequence at the end, whenever Carl's like banging on the door he breaks in. Sam is all weak because he's just been inside of May. And then Molly and Otomy are kind of like left to fend for themselves for a few minutes and they go up to the roof and there's a moment where Molly tackles Carl Um when yeah, like Carl's kind of attacking oto May, Molly attacks him, gets away, but then he holds a gun to Molly's head. Then Sam needs to save her. It always bugs me when a man needs to save a woman because it's a trope that happens again and again. Yes, but I do think those women were smart enough that they could have saved themselves if given enough time. Yeah, I think so. I think they could have figured something out because I do think they were strong women. But yes, then Sam comes and he flicks the gun away, and then he pushes Carl, and then I mean Carl kind of kills himself because because he flings that look and it hits the window and then the glass falls down and impales him. And then his little thing he wipes down the window and he's like his death is like hilariously gruesome. It's very gruesome. That was what I that most scared me the first time I shot like Carl's I remember having dreams about it because it was so It's weird with this movie because they do like get a ship and a fucking there every once in a that they don't need to and they don't need to impale him like that. But I'm so glad to know, but I'm glad they did. And then when he comes up from his dead body and he's like, hey Sam, and it's like what you can't know? You know what just happened? Were not cool? No, you guys can't be friends now you're both dead, and he's like, oh, Carl. And then the little little mentors, like those things scared me when I was little. I was like, I hope they don't get me in my bed. Yeah. Yeah, they're just little de mentors. Yeah. Then they make that noise. And my favorite part is when Willie Lopez gets hit by three cars and then they like show him dead and then you hear in the background that dude is dead. It's obviously an extra who is just like someone needs to say I want to say it, I'll say it. And he probably said it every take and someone probably was like, hey, man, don't say that again. But then they saw it, like the dailies were like, oh no, that's a that's great. We have to keep it. You know what. This guy's getting his sad probably from that dude is dead. He went from being a featured extra to it's good for him. Perfect. Can we talk about how okay. So it's implied in the movie that cats can see or sense ghosts because Sam we figures it out and then he uses it to advantage to scare off Will Lopez. So I would just like to, for the record, just remind everyone that cats do have eight nipples and they can see ghosts nipples. This has been cat facts with Caitlin. Eight nipples ghosts and you didn't realize how many nipples you've grazed And it was a boycat boycats. That was your question, all question. Yeah, you're stand by it. All mammal male, female, gender non binary animals and people. All mammals have nipples because all embryos start out as female and grow little nipples, and then a certain like hormone is introduced in the womb to determine whether or not it's it ends up being maybe it's probably like a litter of kittens thing like cats have tend to have so many babies at once that they need more nipples. There's a direct correlation to like how many offspring a mammal has at a time to how many nipples they So we're only twins, two little nippies. Yeah, you should be double fisted. Honestly, humans should only have one boob, imagine because we only have usually one baby at a time. So I'm going to campaign for a one boob movement. Well, then I should have no titties. I don't want babies upset me. I want to pull my boobs and have one good one great tips. I want to have one decup instead, and said to too little midgets, it's fine, it's it's manageable in the heat. I accept it. I mean, yeah, big old titties in the heat. That can't be fun. Right, I want and I want in the winter. But keep time of year. I'm grateful this time of year. I count my blessings. Yeah. Well, this has been a very enlightening des Niptalk Nip Nip nip Talk, nip Talk, nip slash talk. That's the name of this podcast. There we go. Hey, let's talk about whether or not ghost passes the Bechtel test. I see, I I haven't told this, but I think it does. I think it technically. Okay, are you your point please? Um? Well, I wrote in a few different places. You're right. I didn't. I didn't think that the police scene doesn't pass because the officer doesn't have a name. Do we ever find out Odemy's sisters names, because there's an extreme I do not think they do have names. They do have names. I just I by the time it occurred to me that I should have known their names, it was too late. And you were right. Because they have a conversation about our cineo hall oh wait, that's a man by our rules. They just have to have There has to be two lines of dialogue where they talk about yeah, and they talk about Otomy, and they talk about like, I don't I don't have the quote in front of me, but they're like, oh, you know, she finally got the power or whatever. And then there's a response that also has to do with Otomy, and I wish I had written down the exact exchange, but I think I because I detailed all of these they technically don't have names. They don't they are credited and I am dB as Odomy's sister and Odomy's sister. So those scenes where there are women interacting. It starts off with Otomy and Mrs Santiago, who does have a name, but they talk only about Mrs Santiago's dead husband, so that does not pass. Then we've got odom May and her sisters. During the scene where Sam is all like, I'm a ghost and you can hear me, and now you have the gift that you didn't think you had, her sisters are like, oh, she's talking crazy. She hit her head harder than we thought. The other ones like she was talking to nobody before she even hit her head, So that would pack as the test if we knew their names, but we don't. Then we've got Auto May calling Molly on the phone to be like, I'm a spiritual reader and I have a message from your friend Sam doesn't pass. Talking about Sam. Then the scene where Automy goes to Molly's apartment, same thing doesn't pass because they only talk about Sam and all the things like because she's trying to convince her I've got your dad friend. Then we've got the cop who is the woman who is all like, I'm never going to take my clothes off again. If there's ghosts everywhere, we don't know her name does not pass. And then we've got Auto May in the psychic shop talking to another lady who's trying to communicate with her dead husband. They either only talk about a man. Either way, that woman is not named I have. I have like a sneaking feeling that there is, and I wasn't doing the close enough notes that that I should have been doing. But I do think that there is an exchange in this movie somewhere that likely technically passes. But I don't think that that between and Molly. Yes, probably, but I think it happens. They always talk about Sam. But if I mean, but even if there's like the next I think an exchange the lines between them of like do you believe yes or no? Like that is the type of exchange that would pass, right, It would be, but it would be so fleeting right right, it's yeah, it's one of those if it's barely right. I think this does pretty right by its female characters. I think they're both well developed and because like May is just such a like dynamic character, just like she's so fun and fun to watch, and Molly is also again she's dealing with a lot of ship, but she's serving the story. So I think the movie treats its female characters well, but I don't think it passes the Bechdel tests because every conversation where women are talking, they're either not named or they're talking about Sam. So that is my stance. But as we've only Swaysy weren't such a lurker, right, or if we just got maybe like a scene of Aftermath after Sam goes to heaven and then is like, well, it's nice meeting you. You want to get some ice cream? You owe me money. I did a lot of work for Sam, and please give me a hundred dollars that could pass the test. And also she would get the money I feel she's entitled to. And I don't think that dem would be stingy about it. No, she'd be like, she'd be like, and also, here's a weird pottery I made. I mean, she helps save her life. To me, was going to get murdered by Willy Lopez otherwise, so or Carl or car Yeah, one or the other. But as we've often mentioned, the Bechtel test isn't necessarily like, it's not the end all be all, like if this movie does pass the test, it's great to women, and if it doesn't, it's bad like shitty movies. It's like like, like, what the guild, But aren't they Oh, I guess they're not constantly talking about Colin Farrell. There's like three scenes where they're like, let's talk about our French lessons. Here's a fun one that passes. Sister act Yes, and I love that that. It's a there's a real Whoopie Goldberg career Foreshadow and Ghost where they're like, give the money to the nuns and she's like, no, none suck. For some variation on that, Nicle probably knows the exact line, give money to a bunch of nuns. They can't even like, they can't even buy panny y. That was a great like end ending line to a senior, always end on a button. I'm trying to think of other favorite movies and if they pass, are probably not. Twang Foo passes, Thanks for everything, Julie Newmar, we see my cousin Vinny does not pass. I wouldn't think so. I haven't seen it in a long time. I think Mercy to me is the only female archer who speaks. I don't think there's another woman for her. I've not seen it, but that sounds about right. Eddie passies. Another Whoopie Goldberg movie, Eddie that passes because she has a friend and they talk about basketball. A nice white lady. I like how this movie. I mean, there's not a whole lot of like tackling race in this movie. But there's a few different lines where Odom will be like you're a white guy, aren't you? Like and then and then she sees a picture of Sam and she's like, oh, you're cute, cute white guy. Yeah, and then oh yeah the line where she's basically like, uh wait I wrote down when Whoopy goldbergs like you know are you? Are you hit? And then she's just like literally like a white guy? Why me? Like, well, I don't. It doesn't truly tackle race, but it does tackle that like she lives in a bad area and a murderer lives in her neighborhood, and this white guy is very concerned about his white fiance who lives in a good area. So I think, I don't it's does It doesn't tackle race at all, but like I it does tackle like she's like, oh shit, like there's bad ship happening in my neighborhood and I'm hoping out this white man like you're dead. Yeah, I think let's write the movie. We we rate each movie on our Nipple scale nipple scale of one to eight. We should adjust it for cats. For any movie with a cat in it, we should know, but we do. On a scale of one to five nipples. No animals have only five nipples, unless maybe they started out with six or eight and some of them were surly them off. Oh boy, I would hate having my nipples are removed. Yeah, I give it five Little nippies. It's literally my favorite movie in the whole world world. We we we rate it on our it's portrayal of female Yeah, I stand by Drive Little Nippies. I think the women are great in the movie. I'm going to give it four. It get some marks off. I don't like that the women have to be saved by Sam at the end. That's a trump that's always gonna bug me. It's still Sam driving the story it is. He's the protagonist, so that makes sense. But I feel like, maybe, I don't know, Molly couldn't maybe have a little more to do or because she is kind of passive. There's also a scene where Willie Lopez is like watching her undress, which I guess, like, sure, that's to communicate to the audience she's in danger, this is scary. But then Odamy tells her, yeah, he watched you undressing. Whatever. But that scene like didn't really need to happen, like, we don't. Why do we have to see like a voyeuristic naked lady scene. She's not. She's also think it paints how gross Willie is. Yeah, but and then he gets scratched by a cat, which does have eight nipples, so in a way, it's an eight out of it. But yeah, I think that Molly and especially Otomy are just really interesting, multidimensional characters that are enjoyable to watch. And there wasn't any moment where I was just like, well, I don't like this. There are opportunities where it could pass the Bechdel test, but there the whole thing is about a man, their relationship otomy, and Molly's relationship is completely contextualized by this man. So if they talked about other stuff, would it make sense for the movie? Maybe not, but I don't know. Just throw a line in there. Oh did you watch Oprah yesterday? Yeah? I loved it? How about you? Too? Bad? She didn't get this part that's gonna happen? Yeah, I'll get I'll give it a ford to based on I mean, the two main female characters are both and I wouldn't have said this for Molly the last time I saw it, but after seeing her this time through our are both really well developed and have very clear, strong motivations and their storylines. Although they are propelled forward by men, they seem like two independent women with heads on their shoulders and deal with problems in a way that makes sense. Yeah, I mean basically just uh, the one nip off based on missed opportunities and less so having to do with Odomy and while because I feel like it would be disingenuous to the story if they like ended up being best friends like that that would not happen in real life, but missed opportunities more in terms of it would have been very easy to give Otomy's sisters names. It would have been very easy to not have almost all male ghosts. It would have you know, it would have been very easy to flip one of um Odomy's clients into a man trying to talk to his wife, you know, like they're just little stuff like that. Uh. Four nipples. I'm gonna give two to both of Otomy's unnamed sisters. I do like that of the women with speaking roles in this movie, they are almost all women of color because it's o May her sister's Mrs Santiago. Molly's kind of the only white woman. Yeah, you don't very much of her world, which is like interesting, like you get the you get that, like Sam's a Wall Street broker or whatever. But then like they spent a lot of time in Brooklyn in Prospect Park, I think is where it would be like, which was like not gentrified, so like everybody on the street as a person of color, like it was on the subway to I think they did a great job of depicting New York because so many movies will be in New York and they'll be like in Brooklyn and it's like filled with white people. I'm like, I don't know where you are, but now I do. Now it's any part of Brooklyn very gentrified. Take some notes. So how dare you have a Civil war movie without somebody being like, here's your tea. It's like, come on now, Nicole, thank you so much for paying. Thanks for Heavy, It's been a blast. Where can people find you online? He seeing on Twitter and Instagram at Nicole Buyer for both. 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