A Knight's Tale: Self-determination, chosen family and self care

<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Popcorn Psychology, the podcast where we watch blockbuster
<v Speaker 1>movies and psychoanalyze them. My name is Brittany Brownfield, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm a child therapist and I'm joined by Ben Stover,
<v Speaker 1>individual therapist, Hannah Espinoza, marriage and family therapists. We're all
<v Speaker 1>licensed clinical professional counselors also known as therapists, who practice
<v Speaker 1>out of Chicago. Even though we are licensed mental health professionals,
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<v Speaker 1>our love of dissecting pop culture and all forms.
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<v Speaker 2>My lords, my ladies, and everybody else here not sitting
<v Speaker 2>on a cushion today, Today you find yourselves equals.
<v Speaker 3>For you are all equally blessed. For I have the pride,
<v Speaker 3>the privilege, nay.
<v Speaker 2>The pleasure of introducing to you a night's Tale, which
<v Speaker 2>we are doing today.
<v Speaker 1>Yay.
<v Speaker 2>So today we're going to be covering the two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and one ridiculous popcorn movie that holds a special place
<v Speaker 2>in all.
<v Speaker 3>Of our hearts.
<v Speaker 2>A Night's Tale, we're going to be covering self determination,
<v Speaker 2>purpose values, ego, dreams, chosen family, and then for treatment
<v Speaker 2>today we're going to do something a little bit different.
<v Speaker 3>And rather than.
<v Speaker 2>Treat these characters, because really they're all a little too
<v Speaker 2>flat to offer anything of substantive value, today, we're going
<v Speaker 2>to talk about self care for ourselves and you, our
<v Speaker 2>lovely audience. So let's dive into A Night's Tale.
<v Speaker 1>Well, Ben, what is an nights Tale about?
<v Speaker 2>It's a movie about rock and roll and jousting and
<v Speaker 2>sex in that order.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it does start with queens, so possibly, yes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But A Knight's Tale is absolutely not a Knight
<v Speaker 2>of the Seven Kingdom's exact plot, but done with rock
<v Speaker 2>music and more two thousand's rom com energy. So what
<v Speaker 2>happens in A Knight's Tale is that there is a
<v Speaker 2>group of young squires who mid tournament realized that their
<v Speaker 2>knight died and that they're going to be super fucked
<v Speaker 2>if they don't finish the tournament. And William, the most
<v Speaker 2>athletic of the squires played by Heath Ledger, decides, well,
<v Speaker 2>I could probably get through this tournament. I've jousted lot
<v Speaker 2>with Sir hector, and so he decides to do that,
<v Speaker 2>and they survive the tournament. Then they decide, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>we could probably keep doing this. We could probably just
<v Speaker 2>go to a bunch of tournaments and win a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of money in front that were actual royalty or knights.
<v Speaker 2>And then, of course, the super handsome Keith Ledger falls
<v Speaker 2>in love with the super attractive princess because.
<v Speaker 1>Duh, Lady Jocelyn.
<v Speaker 2>Lady Jocelyn is played by Shannon Sossamon. Yeah, the itch
<v Speaker 2>girl of two thousand and one.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, for sure, every cool girl for sure.
<v Speaker 2>And then throughout this film, of course, he starts doing
<v Speaker 2>well and a douche noble lord takes notice and offense
<v Speaker 2>at being beaten by him, a hedge knight as it were,
<v Speaker 2>and exposes him. So we go through this journey of
<v Speaker 2>watching William rise from nothing to show his honor and
<v Speaker 2>character and of course encounter a lord who's a total
<v Speaker 2>ass and douche. And then, of course, throughout the course
<v Speaker 2>of this movie, he happened to be jousting with a
<v Speaker 2>real prince who sees his quality and later nights him
<v Speaker 2>at the end, granting him the status that he'd always
<v Speaker 2>dreamt of. Showing us that if you follow your dreams
<v Speaker 2>and just believe and lie well enough for long enough,
<v Speaker 2>you can be anything you want, including.
<v Speaker 3>The President of the United States of America.
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, And I guess we should probably say up
<v Speaker 1>top that we probably will be talking about an Eye
<v Speaker 1>of the Seven Kingdoms here and there because it is
<v Speaker 1>like almost like a bead for beads of our story.
<v Speaker 1>It's impossible not to, I feel like, and so it's
<v Speaker 1>the same story. So spoilers. If you haven't watched an
<v Speaker 1>Eye of the Seven Kingdoms and you have watched A
<v Speaker 1>Night's Tale, is that we might mention things about that
<v Speaker 1>show and spoil it if you're planning to watch it
<v Speaker 1>and you haven't got into it yet.
<v Speaker 2>Also, if you've seen a Night's Tale and haven't seen
<v Speaker 2>the Night or a Night of Seven Kingdoms, more or
<v Speaker 2>less you have seen a Night of the Seven Kingdoms, I.
<v Speaker 1>Say, hangs is better if you like a Knight's Tale
<v Speaker 1>and you wish it was more depressed seven Kingdoms, and
<v Speaker 1>I guess too.
<v Speaker 3>A little more psychologically relevant.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, something we've brought up. I don't know we actually
<v Speaker 1>I think we talked about this more off mic is
<v Speaker 1>that this the story that I had Seven Kingdoms is
<v Speaker 1>based on the Duncan Egg stories came out like two
<v Speaker 1>or three years before this movie A Night's Tale. And
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder how George R. Martin Feldt about this.
<v Speaker 1>You think he saw this in the theaters and was
<v Speaker 1>like these motherfuckers who wrote this and read my story
<v Speaker 1>and did it with Heath Ledger like this.
<v Speaker 2>I guarantee he felt that. Didn't you tell me? Wasn't
<v Speaker 2>you who said that? There was one thing they weren't
<v Speaker 2>allowed to say in the writer's room.
<v Speaker 1>In the writer's room of the show and Knights of
<v Speaker 1>the Kingdoms are not allowed to bring up A Night's
<v Speaker 1>Tale as a point of reference because because of the
<v Speaker 1>similarities between the two stories, even though and then I
<v Speaker 1>because of having Kingdoms technically came first.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure it inspired this. I mean their knight
<v Speaker 2>dies by a tree. Dunks knight dies by a tree.
<v Speaker 2>They have to go to a tournament and get new armor.
<v Speaker 2>William has to go to a tournament and get new armor.
<v Speaker 2>The armor comes from a girl, the shield comes from
<v Speaker 2>a girl.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's there's way too many.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, is the one who ultimately grants him the
<v Speaker 2>status a prince.
<v Speaker 4>Saves his ass, like it's yeah, literally, it's more it's
<v Speaker 4>more outrageous watching it today, the one to one comparison
<v Speaker 4>than I remembered.
<v Speaker 1>I remember just thinking, no, we got the same general premise.
<v Speaker 1>A squire takes up his you know, knight's stuff after
<v Speaker 1>the night dies and then kind of tries to rise up.
<v Speaker 1>And then I was watching and I was like, damn,
<v Speaker 1>like be even like the thing that really clinched it
<v Speaker 1>is what I texted you all, which is even the
<v Speaker 1>fact that like an heir to the throne is what
<v Speaker 1>saves him in the end, that which literally both the
<v Speaker 1>things is kind of wild. That's where I would if
<v Speaker 1>I was George, I would be like, oh, come on.
<v Speaker 1>Once I got to that part, I'd be like, well,
<v Speaker 1>now it's undeniable that you're ripping me out.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I wonder if he sued. I wonder just quietly.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'd have to haven't looked into that.
<v Speaker 1>If anyone knows who's listening, email us or message us
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, or if.
<v Speaker 2>There was a quiet payment of yeah, we did it.
<v Speaker 2>But so let's all just keep making money and we can.
<v Speaker 1>Jump into it. So the main character, as you said,
<v Speaker 1>as well, also goes by Sir Alric when he's pretending
<v Speaker 1>to be a knight. Got to say it von Lichtenstein.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but you gotta know, sir.
<v Speaker 1>That place he's it is ten pm on a Sunday.
<v Speaker 1>I shan't be screaming agreed, agreed, Gon wake up your
<v Speaker 1>own kids, dude, But no, like so we meet. So
<v Speaker 1>I think something that also is important to consider right away,
<v Speaker 1>or to keep in mind right away when we talk
<v Speaker 1>about Will is the fact that he is someone that
<v Speaker 1>was sent away as a child by his father to
<v Speaker 1>be a squire and in essence work on rising above
<v Speaker 1>his station as much as you can in the position
<v Speaker 1>of lower class that he was in as a child,
<v Speaker 1>the class that he was born into as a child. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and so he is, right from the jump instilled by
<v Speaker 1>his father this value of like you were saying, self determination,
<v Speaker 1>that you can change your circumstances. You can, what do
<v Speaker 1>they say, change your stars? And that is a through
<v Speaker 1>line obviously, because right in the beginning of the movie
<v Speaker 1>when the Night dies, who they seem to not give
<v Speaker 1>a shit about with the way that they treat him,
<v Speaker 1>is that it's very quickly between oh, we haven't eaten
<v Speaker 1>three days. So like survival wise, we have to compete
<v Speaker 1>in this tournament. Okay, great, we got this gold feather,
<v Speaker 1>we can sell it for money, and it goes very
<v Speaker 1>quickly with Will from Great, we got our basic needs met.
<v Speaker 1>We can keep on keeping on to Oh but actually
<v Speaker 1>we can change our stars. We could use this money.
<v Speaker 1>We can invest this money to actually work on rising
<v Speaker 1>above our stations. So he very quickly integrates this into
<v Speaker 1>the value he's been holding on to, which is I
<v Speaker 1>want to do better than my circumstances.
<v Speaker 2>Whereas the other two seem to be largely content, going, no,
<v Speaker 2>we're figuring stuff out, We're making it. This is where
<v Speaker 2>we fit in the world and what we do, and
<v Speaker 2>they resist Will a little bit at his insistence that
<v Speaker 2>they can do this, like yeat, Nope, No, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take my money and eat and go home.
<v Speaker 1>Well, both those characters seem pretty content in their I
<v Speaker 1>guess Station put it that way. I mean, obviously they're
<v Speaker 1>not content in not getting their basic needs met because
<v Speaker 1>of course, because when the movie opens, they haven't eaten
<v Speaker 1>in three days, which is a lot. But they don't
<v Speaker 1>seem to be invested in the idea They don't have
<v Speaker 1>any ego in this or dreams or aspirations in the
<v Speaker 1>sense of being more than what they are, even when
<v Speaker 1>Will starts to get popular, become a superstar if you will.
<v Speaker 1>What is kind of nice, which is the simplicity of
<v Speaker 1>the movie, is there's no competitiveness between them, like, there's
<v Speaker 1>no infighting around. Well, I want also be a cool
<v Speaker 1>night too. It's they do seem contented to be the
<v Speaker 1>sidekick in his story in a way that I don't
<v Speaker 1>think is bad. It's probably really healthy. I feel like
<v Speaker 1>it's just that they don't seem to be bothered by
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they are comfortable in their station, just
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, like, I feel like they don't seem
<v Speaker 1>to be really bothered by that and kind of are
<v Speaker 1>happy just have their basic needs met and be good.
<v Speaker 2>I think the only incidence of infighting that we really
<v Speaker 2>see is when they're arguing on the road before they
<v Speaker 2>meet Chaucer about who's turning to stride the horse. Everything else,
<v Speaker 2>they seem to be quite copesetic understanding it. I mean, okay,
<v Speaker 2>look at us. Of the three of us, who's going
<v Speaker 2>to be able to enter a ring and fight? It
<v Speaker 2>will the end, And of course it's also from the
<v Speaker 2>early two thousands where writing is very simple and the
<v Speaker 2>plot just needs to move guys.
<v Speaker 3>So it's a non complicated, simple film.
<v Speaker 2>But yep, they seem very content, going like, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>this is the most likely way we pull this off.
<v Speaker 1>No, you're right in that when they do have conflict,
<v Speaker 1>it is more over survival, right, like I want us
<v Speaker 1>to run and you want to stay. I want to
<v Speaker 1>get some rest on the horse and you want me
<v Speaker 1>to keep fucking walking. I want to go get food
<v Speaker 1>with my I want to get five floorings worth of food,
<v Speaker 1>and you're saying, no, we should invest in somewhere else,
<v Speaker 1>which I think is just two different ways of dealing
<v Speaker 1>with their lives because they're all in the same place
<v Speaker 1>in terms of their station. And I think there are
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who I totally because I think
<v Speaker 1>I'm more like this than like Will. I think you're
<v Speaker 1>the Will of our group, Ben, and I don't know
<v Speaker 1>who's who in terms of me and Hannah with Roland
<v Speaker 1>and Wat. You know that Hannah is what I would
<v Speaker 1>say I was wa and she's rolland number one fuckable
<v Speaker 1>to you And also yeah, I get it, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm not mad about it because I think Will
<v Speaker 1>is exhausting in this way, which is how I knew
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not him.
<v Speaker 3>And I am.
<v Speaker 1>I think you are aspirational in that way. And I mean,
<v Speaker 1>how many times of Hanna and I said, my biggest goal,
<v Speaker 1>maybe my biggest goal in this life is to find contentment.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means exactly, and so that
<v Speaker 1>is exactly the point. Then, I think it's just two
<v Speaker 1>different ways of dealing with their life circumstances, Like I
<v Speaker 1>can definitely understand Watt and Roland just trying to find
<v Speaker 1>peace in this life, because being so impoverished is such
<v Speaker 1>an unpeaceful way to live, obviously, and this is back when.
<v Speaker 1>This is back when you could be so impoverished that
<v Speaker 1>you would give your child away. As we see with
<v Speaker 1>Will's backstory, his station was so poorly that his dad
<v Speaker 1>gave him away to hope that he could rise above.
<v Speaker 2>It, and not just gave him away, but put him
<v Speaker 2>in indentured servitude exactly. And he's, you know, a term
<v Speaker 2>of seven years to learn a trade, to be able
<v Speaker 2>to be able to make a chance to live, which
<v Speaker 2>his father knew he couldn't give him or feed him,
<v Speaker 2>it seems like, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And so I can understand as a survival reaction, it's
<v Speaker 1>almost a trauma response being in a place like watt
<v Speaker 1>and Rolling where you're just trying to be comfortable secure.
<v Speaker 1>And then also I could see for Will having his
<v Speaker 1>own reaction, which is I'm trying to be so comfortable
<v Speaker 1>so above where I'm from, and that'll help me feel safe,
<v Speaker 1>or that'll help me feel something internally. And I think
<v Speaker 1>feeling like that will make his father proud, because I
<v Speaker 1>feel like, in a lot of ways, that's what In
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, I think that's why we see
<v Speaker 1>him as a little boy, and we see him really
<v Speaker 1>believing what his father says and really supporting him, and
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's a part of it. And I
<v Speaker 1>feel like versus Roland and wa who, it does seem
<v Speaker 1>like we're also taken from their families and given around
<v Speaker 1>the same age as well. Even though I think Will
<v Speaker 1>was a fart had been away from home for longer
<v Speaker 1>than them. When we see them all young, it seems
<v Speaker 1>like they're all around the same age, So I would
<v Speaker 1>assume that they all came we're all boys who were
<v Speaker 1>given up by their families for one reason or another.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's what you guys think, but
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what I was thinking, which just makes
<v Speaker 1>me really think about how much more intense was the
<v Speaker 1>poverty that maybe Wat and Roland experienced versus William who
<v Speaker 1>had a really loving father who you know what I mean, Like,
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm just curious about that part.
<v Speaker 2>It looked to me like Watt was closer in age,
<v Speaker 2>but Roland might have been maybe five to seven years
<v Speaker 2>older when they were growing up. But yeah, I think
<v Speaker 2>your point about them all probably having the same story
<v Speaker 2>is one hundred percent on. It's quite clear that they
<v Speaker 2>had a camaraderie and a connection to each other through
<v Speaker 2>having a similar story and experience, And those three were tight.
<v Speaker 2>They were very loving with each other in their own way.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as three you know, grown men, as men
<v Speaker 2>tend to be with each other. That's that's what it
<v Speaker 2>looks like. That's what a family of men together would
<v Speaker 2>be like. They're like that, they're like brothers, like they'll
<v Speaker 2>beat the shit out of each other, but also they
<v Speaker 2>do respect and love each.
<v Speaker 3>Other and are trying to do the best things they can.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think and I think it seems like
<v Speaker 2>probably Watt may have been coming from a hungrier place
<v Speaker 2>because he seems to value food a lot, whereas Roland
<v Speaker 2>seems to value family. So I wonder if Watt was
<v Speaker 2>a straight orphan and he seems connected to like finding
<v Speaker 2>that he mentioned kind of having a girlfriend or somebody
<v Speaker 2>who wanted to go back to.
<v Speaker 3>But who is a cook? Are you talking?
<v Speaker 1>He's a cook? Like those two things I think are
<v Speaker 1>still married in his mind.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's clearly someone who grow up without food and
<v Speaker 2>he's that's that's become his central attachment point or its
<v Speaker 2>rolling seems to value just connection home in England.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, and you're right, like when they're on the
<v Speaker 1>boat going back, they all mentioned how long it's been
<v Speaker 1>since they were home quote unquote, well whatever they consider
<v Speaker 1>home to be London. Oh sorry, my brain is like
<v Speaker 1>low end sure gy today and I think we see
<v Speaker 1>that's okay, Brittany, don't worry about it, girl, cause to
<v Speaker 1>be uh completely honest with everybody, carry really Britney really
<v Speaker 1>carries us a lot of the time, y'all. So I
<v Speaker 1>can add, you're the rolling of the group, You're the
<v Speaker 1>one who's pulling, You're the one sewing, and the pieces yes,
<v Speaker 1>but I was just thinking about how when you know,
<v Speaker 1>that's a part of how I think about these three
<v Speaker 1>young men and how their narratives started about the world
<v Speaker 1>and about themselves. And I feel like Williams seems to
<v Speaker 1>have a real sense of determination, a real sense of
<v Speaker 1>this is what I want, And I feel like Roland
<v Speaker 1>and Wat it's very much more about basic need and
<v Speaker 1>less about having something. And I think it just shows
<v Speaker 1>where they all came from and what their values are.
<v Speaker 1>And even though their values are different, they do seem
<v Speaker 1>to be cohesive anyway, because I think, like Ben said,
<v Speaker 1>they do feel like brothers and it does connecte like
<v Speaker 1>you guys are saying that there might be differences in
<v Speaker 1>their stories before they became squires, before they became indentured servants,
<v Speaker 1>because as we're saying, something that will always can revisit
<v Speaker 1>as a grounding mantra is the you can change your stars,
<v Speaker 1>which you heard from his dad, and he's still very
<v Speaker 1>connected to that part of his identity, and how it
<v Speaker 1>does seem to give him a sense of self that
<v Speaker 1>maybe the other two characters have because maybe they were
<v Speaker 1>more roughing it when they were younger. Like we've talked
<v Speaker 1>about a lot. When you are in circumstances where you
<v Speaker 1>are struggling to get your basic needs met, you're not
<v Speaker 1>contemplating anything that's close to self actualization. Who gives a shit,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like when you're trying to
<v Speaker 1>just get food and shelter and close, you're not you know,
<v Speaker 1>dreaming about you know what you're gonna be when you
<v Speaker 1>grow up or some shit, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 1>And start the comparisons now. I think like in Nine
<v Speaker 1>of Seven Kingdoms, Dunk is a good representation of that
<v Speaker 1>because he is a true like Dick and was Dickenzian.
<v Speaker 1>He's a true like Dickenzian orphan where he is in
<v Speaker 1>a gang robbing, stealing. His life is really rough, like
<v Speaker 1>he gets away out from this. But when we see
<v Speaker 1>him in that story in the beginning, he's sad because
<v Speaker 1>his you know, night dies, but he's not really thinking
<v Speaker 1>about anything. He's not aspirational the way he will is.
<v Speaker 1>He's truly thinking of it. He stays with the messaging
<v Speaker 1>of I'll just pretend to keep doing this well one
<v Speaker 1>because I've invested so much time. But also I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll be a cop, you know, he said, I'll
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll be part of the Night's guard. Maybe I'll
<v Speaker 1>just wander that way. Maybe also all the horses, because
<v Speaker 1>I think he still has that mindset of I'm just
<v Speaker 1>trying to get from this place to that place in
<v Speaker 1>one piece, with enough food in my belly. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>worried about being bigger than I am.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Dunk is also pretty caught up in trying
<v Speaker 2>to get everybody else to feel about I forgot his.
<v Speaker 1>Night's name, but oh Alan Pennytree.
<v Speaker 2>Sir penny Tree the same way. He doesn't like to
<v Speaker 2>try to get everybody to remember him and feel like, Sir,
<v Speaker 2>he fought for you. He fought for you. Doesn't that
<v Speaker 2>mean something? Don't you understand? Because he's coming up from
<v Speaker 2>some humble origins, he doesn't understand the world that he's in.
<v Speaker 2>I think Will full understands the world he's in, but
<v Speaker 2>that Duncan Roland are a little closer in mentality, Like
<v Speaker 2>Roland's pretty grounded.
<v Speaker 1>Roland understands he feels more grown up, Like he just
<v Speaker 1>feels more, yeah, just more grounded and grown up. He
<v Speaker 1>just feels like he gets it more. And he's just
<v Speaker 1>like okay, like kind of just like accepting of like, okay, like,
<v Speaker 1>let's yeah, we can try this.
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, right, hardly like someone that led Robert's rebellion
<v Speaker 2>rebellion and.
<v Speaker 1>I was waiting for this to come up. I was
<v Speaker 1>waiting for you to make the connections of Game and
<v Speaker 1>Thrones in that way.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, given that we've already been making these connections.
<v Speaker 1>I mean Robert was Robert Rathian for sure was, and
<v Speaker 1>his sexy ancestor, Sir Lionel Brathy.
<v Speaker 3>I figured that dude to be your jam weird.
<v Speaker 1>He's not weird. He's a hot miss hot, miserable, yep,
<v Speaker 1>he's he's kind of like, he's kind of right, You're
<v Speaker 1>you're right, you're right, you're.
<v Speaker 2>Right, scuzzy happy, he's he's he's pure.
<v Speaker 3>Let's just welcome the hedonism and just live in it.
<v Speaker 3>And anyway.
<v Speaker 2>But I think looking at the characters in this world,
<v Speaker 2>I think Will for sure is very attached to this
<v Speaker 2>idea of the messaging his father put in him. Where
<v Speaker 2>the other two I'm a little more grounded in the world.
<v Speaker 2>I think in terms of like, uh, survival, what is
<v Speaker 2>the most grounded in that? I just want to eat man.
<v Speaker 2>Roland seems to get the world.
<v Speaker 1>And I am always hungry, y'all all the time.
<v Speaker 2>Right, always hungry. I just just like good food more times.
<v Speaker 3>What is like? You know, I wouldn't be opposed to getting.
<v Speaker 1>Fed and getting some oh for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is where he's at. He's got just survival
<v Speaker 2>basic needs, right, Yeah. And Roland is more about his connection.
<v Speaker 2>He cares more about like his connection to England. I
<v Speaker 2>kind of got the subtext from him that he probably
<v Speaker 2>has a wife at home and maybe even kids.
<v Speaker 1>I kept thinking that was true about his story, and
<v Speaker 1>then kept waiting for that to be mentioned, and then
<v Speaker 1>it didn't, and I was like, did I make that up?
<v Speaker 3>He talks I think he talks about somebody at home.
<v Speaker 1>I think he just feels like a dad, y'all right,
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the truth. He feels like a dad.
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to just say a little tiny thing
<v Speaker 1>right here about how this was a movie for me.
<v Speaker 1>So I was eighteen when this movie came out, and
<v Speaker 1>this was a movie where the first time that I
<v Speaker 1>can recall in this moment was that the second most
<v Speaker 1>important female person, well besides the what are they called blacksmith?
<v Speaker 1>Besides the blacksmith, was as a active and as smart
<v Speaker 1>as the lead, the best friend. Yeah, of the.
<v Speaker 2>Character, Yeah, Christiana. I don't know if they said that
<v Speaker 2>in the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe they did, but I just remember thinking that.
<v Speaker 1>And also that they were both brown women. Yeah, they
<v Speaker 1>look brown to me when I was a kid.
<v Speaker 2>Once Hawaiian, and like, yeah, it's something else. She sees
<v Speaker 2>an amalgamation. It's a very mixed background. And uh, the
<v Speaker 2>Christiana is Brazilian, so yes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so again. And also the way so well,
<v Speaker 1>I know we'll get to her, but also the way
<v Speaker 1>that she presented herself, the way that she reacted to
<v Speaker 1>the world also was very like empowering for an eighteen
<v Speaker 1>year woman. Yeah, and just the way she fucking wrote
<v Speaker 1>everybody off it was incredible anyway, kind of shocking.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't remember where I was going.
<v Speaker 2>I just I think, yeah, we see Williams kind of
<v Speaker 2>got his head in the clouds a little bit, was
<v Speaker 2>where I was going. Whereas Roland seems really grounded. He's
<v Speaker 2>sure of who he is and what he's doing, what
<v Speaker 2>is trying to survive and live. Rolands figured out like,
<v Speaker 2>this is my profession. I do this for money. If
<v Speaker 2>I can't make money doing this, I'm going home. And
<v Speaker 2>doing something else to make money, whereas what it's like,
<v Speaker 2>I'll take my food right now and fuck you and
<v Speaker 2>pain and I thoughts of pain, and.
<v Speaker 1>As we're talking about it too, it makes me wonder
<v Speaker 1>if Will also benefits maybe from being the youngest of
<v Speaker 1>the three, like maybe he was looked out for more
<v Speaker 1>by Roland and Watt, and so sometimes when you have
<v Speaker 1>those older siblings looking out for you, it also gives you,
<v Speaker 1>as the younger sibling, more ability to be dreamy, to
<v Speaker 1>be an idealist, because I think that's what I first
<v Speaker 1>wrote in my notes is sort of realist versus idealists.
<v Speaker 1>And how Will is the one who is, you know,
<v Speaker 1>dreamy and the other two just aren't. And I wonder
<v Speaker 1>if that's because they maybe Will can be dreamy because
<v Speaker 1>the other two aren't dreamy. Yeah, yeah, And I hope
<v Speaker 1>that Will appreciates them for that.
<v Speaker 3>You know what I like about this movie is I
<v Speaker 3>think he does.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he does right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, because all of us are probably Rolands and
<v Speaker 2>going like stop fucking around, you're welcome. But I think
<v Speaker 2>Well very much does appreciate them for that, And it does,
<v Speaker 2>I think create safety and the ability to experiment in him,
<v Speaker 2>whereas they clearly didn't have that. Roland was the oldest
<v Speaker 2>squire so probably took the brunt of the beatings, but
<v Speaker 2>only when he deserved it.
<v Speaker 1>Classic Dunk reference.
<v Speaker 2>Right, But before we dive further into this, take a
<v Speaker 2>quick break.
<v Speaker 3>And we're back.
<v Speaker 2>So we talked about looking at and we kind of
<v Speaker 2>touched on it, but looking at how we see self
<v Speaker 2>determination kind of drive this story when we described that
<v Speaker 2>as a psychological concept that we want to see in clients,
<v Speaker 2>what are we talking about?
<v Speaker 1>Self actualization? That's part of it, right, resilience, ego I'm
<v Speaker 1>guessing now, I mean, is there a young hand definition
<v Speaker 1>of this word?
<v Speaker 3>Not that I know.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're better at knowing the academic literal
<v Speaker 1>meanings of some of these are like the academic meanings
<v Speaker 1>of these words instead of how I know them, which
<v Speaker 1>is how they vibe.
<v Speaker 2>I think the vibe is good enough with this movie,
<v Speaker 2>Like I think this movie is all about vibes and
<v Speaker 2>not about clinical anything. Got tons of vibes, very good
<v Speaker 2>at vibes. But I think self determination, Yeah, all those
<v Speaker 2>things you are saying, like in the Freudian sense of ego, yes,
<v Speaker 2>like the stable connected in the moment sense of self
<v Speaker 2>that's driving this without Oh my god, the three characters
<v Speaker 2>are Idigo and super Ego.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they are Idigo and super Ego.
<v Speaker 3>They sure as are.
<v Speaker 2>Pop Freud Pop Freud, go ahead no so Inego and super.
<v Speaker 3>Ego are Freud's basic divisions of the psyche.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it represents the reptilian drive driven sense of
<v Speaker 2>self that wants to eat and.
<v Speaker 1>Fight and fund and has emotional regulation is.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah and is aka watt Yes.
<v Speaker 2>And Ego is like the clear, like defined sense of
<v Speaker 2>self that sits in the middle that can kind of
<v Speaker 2>operate and regulate both sides of things aka.
<v Speaker 3>Will Where is super Ego.
<v Speaker 2>Is more or less your sense of conscious adherence to rules,
<v Speaker 2>connection to the larger society at a whole aka Roland.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very very true.
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't realized that until we just now, But that's
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent what they are.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. And I was thinking the other thing. And
<v Speaker 1>even though we haven't really talked about Chaucer so much
<v Speaker 1>as a character, I feel like we also have a
<v Speaker 1>really good example of someone of like all ego and
<v Speaker 1>somebody who has who will walk naked on the street
<v Speaker 1>because he has lost all of his money. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's the opposites. We have two extremes
<v Speaker 1>of this experience.
<v Speaker 3>Did you say walk he's trudging to trudge?
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I forgot it was fucking trudging.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, but your point, your point is, your point,
<v Speaker 2>is point is you know it's.
<v Speaker 1>I totally get it.
<v Speaker 2>He defines it for us. But yes, yeah, he is.
<v Speaker 2>He is so firmly grounded in his ego, in knowing
<v Speaker 2>who he is, and he has no shame about it.
<v Speaker 2>He's very, very like in between ego and it, like
<v Speaker 2>he struggles with it, but he just embraces it.
<v Speaker 3>What Chuster lacks is super ego.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>He knows who he is.
<v Speaker 2>He's in the moment, he's doing things, he's doing things
<v Speaker 2>that feel good. He understands the world. But yeah, is
<v Speaker 2>it right or wrong? I don't give a shit. I
<v Speaker 2>think yeah. But understanding self determination is at least, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like we're talking about here. You want to see someone
<v Speaker 2>driven to get from where they are to self actualization
<v Speaker 2>and to feel like that's something they have to do
<v Speaker 2>for them, not for the world, Like I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>do this because it's who I am and what I
<v Speaker 2>need to do for me. That's more or less what
<v Speaker 2>the vibe of it means. I don't think any of
<v Speaker 2>us need to get a dictionary out and invite no. Well,
<v Speaker 2>according to this there nah not necessary. The clinical concept
<v Speaker 2>and use of it is understanding. You want to see
<v Speaker 2>in a client that they have a clear sense of
<v Speaker 2>where they are going and why, as a mark of
<v Speaker 2>psychological health.
<v Speaker 3>And I think.
<v Speaker 2>When you look at Will, he really sees a moment,
<v Speaker 2>a glimpse to rise above station. And the only way
<v Speaker 2>he can do it is being so sure and bringing
<v Speaker 2>everybody else along, like, hey, we all got to do
<v Speaker 2>this together, because there ain't no Knight's out here. They
<v Speaker 2>got squires, and if we all play our roles. I'm
<v Speaker 2>the best with sword. I just now I can learn
<v Speaker 2>to joist. I'm not good at it. They're like, have
<v Speaker 2>you ever hit anything? Nope, but we can learn. I
<v Speaker 2>think we see this sense of humility and understanding of
<v Speaker 2>where he is. But also the chance that exists by
<v Speaker 2>this opportunity is never ever wants gonna come again? What
<v Speaker 2>ever is this chance to be a night gonna come
<v Speaker 2>again for him or any of them to be treated
<v Speaker 2>the way Will will treat them which is, yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is for show, but we're all gonna splut the money.
<v Speaker 2>That deal is never ever going to exist, and all
<v Speaker 2>of them kind of lock into that and that self determination.
<v Speaker 2>Will shows I'm going to rise above my station and
<v Speaker 2>going to change my stars. And I think Will hasn't
<v Speaker 2>gone home like the other ones have for so long
<v Speaker 2>because he hasn't made something of himself yet, and he
<v Speaker 2>wants to show his dad that he did in fact
<v Speaker 2>change his stars instead of stayed in the same place
<v Speaker 2>he was when he left when he was eight. So
<v Speaker 2>that's what I think self determination means when I think
<v Speaker 2>about it.
<v Speaker 3>Klinic clean with the clients, what about you guys?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would also say with Will, what's different about
<v Speaker 1>being cocky, arrogant, egocentric and then not so nice way
<v Speaker 1>we can talk about it versus what we actually say.
<v Speaker 1>See with Will, especially at the onset of the movie,
<v Speaker 1>is when he's like, Hey, can we invest this other
<v Speaker 1>money into getting refitted and resources for me to maybe
<v Speaker 1>become a knight. That's also followed up with a classic
<v Speaker 1>montage of him training like he's getting his ass whooped.
<v Speaker 1>He is really working at it, right. It's not just
<v Speaker 1>I think I can pull it off. Let's go get
<v Speaker 1>me some swag gear, and I'm just going to show
<v Speaker 1>up with this tournament like an asshole and just assume
<v Speaker 1>I can pull it off because I'm the coolest and
<v Speaker 1>I know what's up. So I do also think what
<v Speaker 1>makes him feel more clinically grounded, like if I was
<v Speaker 1>looking at him as a client, is that he is
<v Speaker 1>attaching actions and choices with his aspirations and it's coming
<v Speaker 1>from a place in him as well. Of I think,
<v Speaker 1>if I work hard enough, I can do it, versus
<v Speaker 1>it should be given to me or it should just
<v Speaker 1>come upon me because I'm entitled to it. So I
<v Speaker 1>think that also is a huge component of self determination
<v Speaker 1>when I work with clients. Is like you were saying,
<v Speaker 1>like what are you wanting? Like where you going and
<v Speaker 1>how are you getting there? I think it's also like
<v Speaker 1>where is that coming from as well? Is it coming
<v Speaker 1>from an internal place that it's attached to your choices
<v Speaker 1>and how you live your life, or is it coming
<v Speaker 1>from outside of you? And this maybe magical idea that
<v Speaker 1>if I get the thing, kind of like putting the
<v Speaker 1>horse before the cart. If I get the thing, then
<v Speaker 1>the strengths of that thing will follow versus I will
<v Speaker 1>embody the strengths and the actions, and then the the
<v Speaker 1>reward of it will come.
<v Speaker 2>Just very much Count Adamar versus William good point.
<v Speaker 1>Good point. Adamar does think, I mean, the way he
<v Speaker 1>talks about everything, especially Jocelyn, is like I deserve that
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to get it, which is also why
<v Speaker 1>he struggles with someone like will who it challenges his
<v Speaker 1>idea that if you just really work hard, you can
<v Speaker 1>be as good as me. Fuck you, you know. Self
<v Speaker 1>distorination flies in the face of the I mean, I'm
<v Speaker 1>not going to start talking about the whole inherited wealth
<v Speaker 1>system of England because that's so different from America. It's
<v Speaker 1>like so different. But I can see that challenging too
<v Speaker 1>because for those class instance, it'd be really challenging too,
<v Speaker 1>because for those class systems to exist, it has to
<v Speaker 1>come from this innate belief that I deserve to be
<v Speaker 1>up here and you deserve to be down there, and
<v Speaker 1>those things can't mix in touch. And so the bugaboo
<v Speaker 1>for someone like Adamir is that his name.
<v Speaker 3>Adam Ar Adamar I assume as Belgian. Maybe I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>is something English?
<v Speaker 1>Is that not only is Will like coming for him
<v Speaker 1>from like a one v one competitive place. But also
<v Speaker 1>you're undermining this belief system that allows me to act
<v Speaker 1>like a monster, where I take what I want, I pillage,
<v Speaker 1>I probably sexually assault. I do all these things because
<v Speaker 1>I am inherently better and allowed to. Yeah, and so
<v Speaker 1>I got to take you down. You've been weighed, you've
<v Speaker 1>been measured, you have found wanting.
<v Speaker 3>And apparently Ada maris French. We wie how to tell you?
<v Speaker 3>You've watched you.
<v Speaker 1>Tell Hannah how to do it because I am French. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>she is allowed to do it because she is French.
<v Speaker 2>That is that is very true, and I think it's
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's also one of those sciences that how
<v Speaker 2>do you tell that someone's mileending and watched all that
<v Speaker 2>growing up?
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, we.
<v Speaker 1>We how do you how do you say omits or
<v Speaker 1>peppi lapiew? You know? That was also a big cultural touchdown, truly, truly,
<v Speaker 1>when I think about self determination with clients and where
<v Speaker 1>are you and how are you going to get there?
<v Speaker 1>What is that what you said?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Pretty much?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, It really makes me think of the whole
<v Speaker 1>idea that we've talked about in the podcast. A lot
<v Speaker 1>of times, which is meeting and client where they are
<v Speaker 1>versus where we think they should start.
<v Speaker 3>Which is a big difference.
<v Speaker 1>Right, It's a big difference, and I feel like it
<v Speaker 1>makes me think about how ever, since i've kind of
<v Speaker 1>not that I haven't always done this, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>I was a baby therapist once. I didn't know what the
<v Speaker 1>fuck I was doing, and so at this time of
<v Speaker 1>being in the field for ten years, it's just something
<v Speaker 1>that makes the therapeutic relationship start from a place of
<v Speaker 1>focus directly on the client versus you need to be
<v Speaker 1>doing all these things because you're having all of these symptoms, right,
<v Speaker 1>and not get allowing them to find something that they
<v Speaker 1>can be determined about and go with that so we
<v Speaker 1>can work on that and then gain momentum towards the
<v Speaker 1>other things that maybe they want in their life too.
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like Will seems very much like he
<v Speaker 1>just has to push through, like I know I can
<v Speaker 1>do it. I have it in me, I have the confidence.
<v Speaker 1>I just have to keep going. And I think that
<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense based on what we know
<v Speaker 1>about him, right. So, so yeah, so not anything else
<v Speaker 1>is said about that.
<v Speaker 2>I think these are all really good points and reads
<v Speaker 2>on Will and what we've got going on here. He's
<v Speaker 2>so clear on what his purpose is and he's got
<v Speaker 2>that like it's almost like you can hear the lyrics
<v Speaker 2>of Hamilton apply to him, like he's not thrown away
<v Speaker 2>his shot. And if Will could write, he'd be writing
<v Speaker 2>like he's running out of time because he is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree, And.
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm won't thinking that because my wife and
<v Speaker 2>I saw that like a month ago again and it's
<v Speaker 2>still fucking exquisite. But AnyWho, I feel like there's some
<v Speaker 2>common threads between characters like that who are driven to
<v Speaker 2>riot beyond their station no matter what. And I think
<v Speaker 2>Will is trying to bring others along with him. He's
<v Speaker 2>always got this clear sense of purpose, but unlike Adamar,
<v Speaker 2>he's got a sense of values that we're doing this together.
<v Speaker 2>This is all of us, and everybody that joins forces
<v Speaker 2>with him is an equal footing. None of them make
<v Speaker 2>decisions alone, except for when at the end Will decides
<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna go ahead and go and get arrested,
<v Speaker 2>which even Joscelyn is like, Bro, they can in fact
<v Speaker 2>braveheart your ass. Yeah, and they will because you embarrassed
<v Speaker 2>them by beating them and being from lower station and rising.
<v Speaker 3>Above where you should have been. That's exactly what they'll do.
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like Shannon Sassamon carried that energy very well,
<v Speaker 2>like Will, they can and they will break you. They'll
<v Speaker 2>take that pride from you. They'll take that sense of self.
<v Speaker 2>And there's a word that he used that I'm not forgetting.
<v Speaker 3>Who remember?
<v Speaker 2>Do you guys remember what he was saying, because I
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's super valuable here and now my brain
<v Speaker 2>is gone.
<v Speaker 1>But true pride, Yeah, it's about pride. It's it's about
<v Speaker 1>pride and that they can never that's something and Will
<v Speaker 1>says it's something they can never take away.
<v Speaker 3>From me, and that is false.
<v Speaker 1>And old girl also doesn't what the fuck she's talking about,
<v Speaker 1>because when she says, when he says, so, you're gonna
<v Speaker 1>live with me in a hovel, and she's like, yes,
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, we'll live with the pigs. I don't care.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, girl, you don't know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>I think she does, and she doesn't because you're right
<v Speaker 1>with it. She doesn't know what it's like to be poor,
<v Speaker 1>and I think she does know what it's like to
<v Speaker 1>be humiliated because she's a woman, and that will always
<v Speaker 1>make you somewhat of a disenfranchised citizen of the world. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 1>and even in her position of great wealth, because she's
<v Speaker 1>about to get sold to that monster and she knows that,
<v Speaker 1>and I can and so I can give her some
<v Speaker 1>space there, which is she's maybe doing because we see
<v Speaker 1>her over the movie as a very self actualized person herself.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and yeah, she's very princess Leah.
<v Speaker 1>She's doing that cross. I wonder if she's doing more
<v Speaker 1>of like a risk cost risk benefit analysis with her
<v Speaker 1>self of like would I rather go live with the
<v Speaker 1>pigs than live with a monster who will hurt me
<v Speaker 1>maybe every day for the rest of my life. And
<v Speaker 1>so then maybe there is a part of her that's like,
<v Speaker 1>I might know more than you think, bro, And they say,
<v Speaker 1>if they can't take your pride from you, because I
<v Speaker 1>know what it's like to be a woman in this
<v Speaker 1>world where you get humiliated all the time.
<v Speaker 2>I think Justin's a great example of being very clear
<v Speaker 2>of what she wants to Like, her ego is very strong,
<v Speaker 2>she's very set. Her character does not change much throughout
<v Speaker 2>the film, but in a good way. She's not like
<v Speaker 2>a delicate little save me flower. She's like, if you
<v Speaker 2>want to beut me, you better earn it. You better
<v Speaker 2>prove to me that you're not a fucking moron jock
<v Speaker 2>scratcher like the rest of these guys. And I because
<v Speaker 2>I don't want that. I know, peasants get to marry
<v Speaker 2>for love, royalty, doesn't he noble don't know.
<v Speaker 1>How much presents married for love in the way that
<v Speaker 1>she's thinking. But also, I think that's the movie. Well yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's she says that. Yeah, I know, I
<v Speaker 1>mean she says that, But I mean, like, I think
<v Speaker 1>that's the movie, the romanticy of the movie. Like, of course,
<v Speaker 1>du but this is sparking another idea for me. But
<v Speaker 1>I think before I jump into it, let's take a
<v Speaker 1>break here. So one thing you had brought up that
<v Speaker 1>sparked an idea in me that I wanted to follow
<v Speaker 1>up with is that I do think Will starts to
<v Speaker 1>get pulled into this world right like his his ego,
<v Speaker 1>and I mean that in a more cocky, arrogant, misled
<v Speaker 1>way does start to get a hold of him pretty quickly. Actually,
<v Speaker 1>like when he says, I'm not doing the sword anymore
<v Speaker 1>because basically it's not as street cred as the Jousts.
<v Speaker 3>Right, and they're like, dude, that's what you're best at.
<v Speaker 1>And that's how we get fucking money and we eat asshole.
<v Speaker 1>And what you said before about I think he's got
<v Speaker 1>these people in his life, this family that we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>keep talking about, is that is what keeps bringing him
<v Speaker 1>back in these moments when he almost gets caught up
<v Speaker 1>in the bullshit, when he's like, I don't want the
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted Gallence, I don't want to the sword fight,
<v Speaker 1>and then the thing happens with Chaucer where they're like,
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna fucking hurt him, maybe worse if you don't
<v Speaker 1>pay up for him, and then he wins the sword
<v Speaker 1>part of it, right, And so I think he has
<v Speaker 1>these moments where he really does start to get caught
<v Speaker 1>up in the values of this world that he's entering,
<v Speaker 1>this world of knights and uppity bullshitters and people like
<v Speaker 1>what's his name again, Aunt.
<v Speaker 2>And Awar, yes, Cassie and and or yes, what's his
<v Speaker 2>name Count Adam mar Can?
<v Speaker 1>I just call him Rufus so well, the actor's name Ruthus, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>he just no, sorry Rufus for you know, aligning you
<v Speaker 1>so crusted with his character. But I think he does
<v Speaker 1>start to get pulled into that world very quickly because
<v Speaker 1>he's still young and impressionable. He's probably nineteen or twenty.
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't had anything that nice in this world, and
<v Speaker 1>so I can also respect, like you, you're thinking of
<v Speaker 1>this as like a pure like sports movie, how you
<v Speaker 1>become like the hot shot. You get caught up in
<v Speaker 1>this life. You're going to banquets, you're talking to hot babes,
<v Speaker 1>You're getting all this attention. It would be so easy
<v Speaker 1>to be seduced by that. And I think the only
<v Speaker 1>thing that keeps him from that happening is his loyalty
<v Speaker 1>and his values when it comes to his family, his companions.
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, he gets pulled back from it when
<v Speaker 1>Chaucer needs him, and I think there's all these other
<v Speaker 1>moments when they just check him, they're like, that's dumb.
<v Speaker 1>And also the moment when he really gets starts to
<v Speaker 1>get too big for his Birches, and Jocelyn says, I
<v Speaker 1>will be with you if you lose, like in that moment.
<v Speaker 1>What she's saying is you need to demonstrate an ego
<v Speaker 1>death to me. If I know that you're really about it,
<v Speaker 1>And an ego death is exactly how it sounds, in
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, which is where you have to really sit
<v Speaker 1>in humility. You have to, And it happens a lot
<v Speaker 1>when I do. I bring up ego death a lot
<v Speaker 1>when I do couples or family therapy, because I think
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the interventions that you do in couples
<v Speaker 1>work especially requires demonstrations of ego death in these minor
<v Speaker 1>ways and these microwaves.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to demonstrate vulnerability and willingness to be
<v Speaker 2>fucking wrong when you're wrong or you get nowhere with
<v Speaker 2>your spouse or even just partner.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to practice an active listening exercise where your
<v Speaker 1>partner is going to share something with you, probably about you,
<v Speaker 1>and your job is to listen, repeat what you're hearing
<v Speaker 1>them say, validate it, and empathize with it. And that
<v Speaker 1>and of itself, is a practice and ego death, like,
<v Speaker 1>you have to get your ego out of the fucking
<v Speaker 1>way for the betterment of the relationship. And that's what
<v Speaker 1>she's asking to do with losing. She's like, you need
<v Speaker 1>to show me that you mean it, because she's probably
<v Speaker 1>seen tons and tons of tons of guys get caught
<v Speaker 1>up in that life if they're not in it already,
<v Speaker 1>and then really switch on maybe not her, but on
<v Speaker 1>women around her or people around her and so. And
<v Speaker 1>he's able to meet her there because I assume he
<v Speaker 1>has these bigger values that he connects to. It's not
<v Speaker 1>just about that for him. That's not why he got
<v Speaker 1>into it. Really, it's not why he kept doing it.
<v Speaker 1>He has people in his life that love him no
<v Speaker 1>matter what, because even when he does that, even though
<v Speaker 1>they have money riding on it, because Chaucer can help himself,
<v Speaker 1>but bet on him. I was waiting for them to
<v Speaker 1>bring up, oh why are you doing this? Why are
<v Speaker 1>you throwing it? Because we have money, and they don't
<v Speaker 1>ever bring it up, which I think is pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>They don't. They really take everyone's very grounded and like mature,
<v Speaker 1>like they're very like, well, that was our bet. We
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, you know what I mean. So if he's
<v Speaker 1>got to do this, he's got to do it.
<v Speaker 2>I think they were all encouraging him not to give in,
<v Speaker 2>but then they all gave in at the same time,
<v Speaker 2>which was an interesting moment of groundness because when the
<v Speaker 2>French are like.
<v Speaker 1>That, popit himself is French.
<v Speaker 2>And then that's when Roland gave in like, well the
<v Speaker 2>Pope might be French, but Jesus was English.
<v Speaker 3>You're on you know, he like lost his shit.
<v Speaker 2>I think they all lost their shit collectively together and
<v Speaker 2>had enough faith in what they were doing as a
<v Speaker 2>team that they were willing to overlook Chaucer being himself
<v Speaker 2>and putting them at peril and going like, yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is all the money we have, but also, fuck it.
<v Speaker 2>We're in an all or nothing situation anyway, and if
<v Speaker 2>they find us out. You know, we didn't talk about
<v Speaker 2>the juxtaposition that the director cleverly put in this one,
<v Speaker 2>because the director actually did a good job when they're
<v Speaker 2>talking about whether or not to follow this, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if you guys caught it, but I caught.
<v Speaker 3>It this time. Maybe not so much in other times.
<v Speaker 2>The director to its fucking obvious when they're like there
<v Speaker 2>are there's a dude who's hanged and a dude who's
<v Speaker 2>sitting in a cage behind them, when they're talking about
<v Speaker 2>that is nothing, and all three of them or the
<v Speaker 2>other Wat and Roland are looking at that, and Will
<v Speaker 2>has his back to it, and they're like, yeah, bro,
<v Speaker 2>but the turn around, Man, if they catch you, gallows
<v Speaker 2>for us, or they'll put you in those little cages
<v Speaker 2>and just be hanging up there for crow food. This
<v Speaker 2>is the stakes and they know it. So I think
<v Speaker 2>even in those moments, they're like they're coming together in
<v Speaker 2>their acceptance of their existential dread. We're gonna fucking die
<v Speaker 2>if they catch us anyways, and fuck it. But it's
<v Speaker 2>a togetherness, it's a camaraderie, it's a family thing. I
<v Speaker 2>don't think they were just like h Chulser beingley is.
<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll cover the bat now they're all in.
<v Speaker 1>Well. And also I think that I think you and
<v Speaker 1>I might be talking about two different moments. I was
<v Speaker 1>talking about when Will starts to throw the match, they
<v Speaker 1>don't freak out that they've put a lot of money
<v Speaker 1>on it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Well I mean that's the
<v Speaker 2>same Yeah, it's the same thing.
<v Speaker 3>You know, they don't freak out.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't mean them confronting Chaucer. I mean them
<v Speaker 1>confronting Will, like I could see in a different movie
<v Speaker 1>than being like, will you have to compete because we
<v Speaker 1>have money on the line, Like, it's interesting that they
<v Speaker 1>don't seem to to care about that in that moment
<v Speaker 1>when he's throwing the match, which maybe also could be
<v Speaker 1>I could see with someone like rolling, because I could,
<v Speaker 1>I would feel this way is of course the one
<v Speaker 1>time I make a bet, and that's my karma, you
<v Speaker 1>know what, Jesus, you're right. I'm being punished for being
<v Speaker 1>a sinner because I finally put money down on our
<v Speaker 1>guy and he's just standing there doing nothing. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>of course.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I feel like they that might have ended
<v Speaker 2>up on the cutting room floor. I have a feeling,
<v Speaker 2>and you're right again between the Will and Jocelyn dynamic
<v Speaker 2>of the ego death. Absolutely, she's requesting that because he
<v Speaker 2>came up to her and couldn't replicate the words that
<v Speaker 2>they all shared in a really vulnerable, connected moment where
<v Speaker 2>Will is admitting his like I.
<v Speaker 3>I don't do this.
<v Speaker 2>I hit things with sticks, and everyone else is sharing
<v Speaker 2>really grounded, connected, valuable words that Chaucer writes for him
<v Speaker 2>because Will can't write, and then she's like Jos's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear poetry. I want you to talk
<v Speaker 2>to me like you wrote to me, and then he
<v Speaker 2>tells her that he's going to win the tournament for her,
<v Speaker 2>which is literally the opposite of what he should have said.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's, yeah, that's his ego, that's his
<v Speaker 1>age showing is assuming that that's what she would want,
<v Speaker 1>and even why I think understands that that's not what
<v Speaker 1>someone like her wants in that moment, Like that's not
<v Speaker 1>as romantic as he thinks it is. And also that
<v Speaker 1>is part of like we were saying, him getting distracted
<v Speaker 1>by the pageantry of it all, because that's not him.
<v Speaker 1>That's not him paying attention to her too, because if
<v Speaker 1>he was paying better attention to her, he would understand
<v Speaker 1>that she doesn't really align. She's not impressed by any
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff, especially because she has other nights promising
<v Speaker 1>that shit to her old the time. And exactly how
<v Speaker 1>when she responds to Adamar, she's like, he is winning
<v Speaker 1>these for himself and for no one else, Like the
<v Speaker 1>men who are saying this aren't they're not proving anything. Well,
<v Speaker 1>she's an ego clocker. Like in one of the very
<v Speaker 1>first scenes when they're in the church and the priest
<v Speaker 1>or whoever asked her to for forgiveness or she's like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna kiss your ring and she's like ooh, you're ring.
<v Speaker 1>That was a very good subversive move that made him
<v Speaker 1>so uncomfortable. And I could see me doing something like
<v Speaker 1>that because she's not insulting him, she's giving him a compliment.
<v Speaker 3>But she's also one h.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was a good job of her clocking.
<v Speaker 1>She's always clock locking the egos of the men around
<v Speaker 1>her and the vanity and the bullshit of all the
<v Speaker 1>men around her, and that it's not really about something
<v Speaker 1>higher morality wise, it's not about like we're talking about
<v Speaker 1>the self actualization. It's all status, ego stuff, objects, whatever.
<v Speaker 3>And she's very clear what she wants and doesn't.
<v Speaker 1>And she also knows that she's in that stable with
<v Speaker 1>all these other things, Like she is a status object.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she knows, but she only uses that when she
<v Speaker 2>wants to. I think what Hannah said, what you said
<v Speaker 2>earlier was notable because she's she is very much an
<v Speaker 2>empowered player in this film. She doesn't seem like a
<v Speaker 2>circuit a victim of her circumstance. She's like, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>and she does happen to, you know, have a little
<v Speaker 2>melon in her skin. So I can see like her
<v Speaker 2>as a very empowering figure, especially when like they just
<v Speaker 2>the writers just nailed it. The the other priest, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe they're in France or whatever, like starts
<v Speaker 2>shushing her and not Will and she's like, don't shush
<v Speaker 2>him and spare me.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, God, damn, she's just like.
<v Speaker 1>No, I never noticed that part. No, I didn't notice
<v Speaker 1>that part before. And I really love that part when
<v Speaker 1>she was like she kind of like freaks out on
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit, like she's had it. She's fucking
<v Speaker 1>had it and she checks out on him, and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think with her seeing that self determination, clear, ego, purpose,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, she is interested in love, but she is
<v Speaker 2>not interested in these jackasses and being part of their
<v Speaker 2>trophy case. And she makes that super clear that I
<v Speaker 2>will roast you mercilessly so that you stop being interested
<v Speaker 2>in me. I have developed a sense of humor as
<v Speaker 2>a weapon, and I will cut you with it, and
<v Speaker 2>I have no qualms about it if you aren't what
<v Speaker 2>I want. But when she starts realizing that will might be,
<v Speaker 2>she does the whole like give him her favorite thing
<v Speaker 2>that Knights would have been all about, and sends Watt
<v Speaker 2>with a kiss for him, which I assure you a
<v Speaker 2>man would only do if he really loved that other dude.
<v Speaker 2>You know, like that there's no universe, but he Watt
<v Speaker 2>loves him like a brother, and you know, didn't write circumstances.
<v Speaker 1>And also why it's so literal. I don't think he
<v Speaker 1>could have even conceptualized the fact that, like he could
<v Speaker 1>have said, she brings you a kiss and I didn't
<v Speaker 1>have to actually do it.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it wouldn't been funy if he didn't do that.
<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean, but I feel like that
<v Speaker 1>speaks to how literal lot is.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, but I think you know, I'm seeing
<v Speaker 2>her be such a clear sense of self determination and
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the Blacksmith too, I think you see
<v Speaker 2>some really empowered writing of women here and where people
<v Speaker 2>are showing even in a time where none of that
<v Speaker 2>is real, they're still like nah, And it's pretty empowering,
<v Speaker 2>a nice flip of the typical narrative where you're seeing
<v Speaker 2>what a person who's got some self determination. I don't
<v Speaker 2>care what my circumstances are. I'm not doing none of
<v Speaker 2>that shit. And Adam r Is like I entered in
<v Speaker 2>negotiations with her father. We're going to be married, but
<v Speaker 2>only because you wanted her.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of a bummer. I mean, it wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>fit in a movie like this, but it would have
<v Speaker 1>been cool to see more of Jocelyn's world, like her
<v Speaker 1>family for sure, Like we don't really know anything. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>similar to the how she's in the movie. You know
<v Speaker 1>what sucks is that she really is just there through
<v Speaker 1>the main character's gaze instead of her having a life
<v Speaker 1>we follow without him. But that's just the movie, you
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? And totally and I would say,
<v Speaker 1>like I do really appreciate how well written to like
<v Speaker 1>Kate the Blacksmith is because she's not like if it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for the setup of her being the only female
<v Speaker 1>blacksmith and that's why she grews to work with them
<v Speaker 1>and and why would a blacksmith use their resources up
<v Speaker 1>on these ding dongs? And so I think that was
<v Speaker 1>important as a plot device. But what is cool though
<v Speaker 1>about her is that it's not really used as a
<v Speaker 1>what's the what am I thinking of? Like? And how
<v Speaker 1>there are other movies where like though she's the girl
<v Speaker 1>of the group, you know what I mean, Like when
<v Speaker 1>there's there's not a romantic attachment to her not available. Well,
<v Speaker 1>and it's also just like it's not that very typical
<v Speaker 1>like a girl over here talking about girl stuff like
<v Speaker 1>her being a woman comes up when it would make
<v Speaker 1>sense naturally, like when she's like, you guys can't dance
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I mean, Like where it's more
<v Speaker 1>of her life experience shows up as a woman versus
<v Speaker 1>being like a I guess the token woman. Maybe that's
<v Speaker 1>the word I'm looking for, Like the token woman of
<v Speaker 1>the group who gets misogynistic jokes are anout her or
<v Speaker 1>she is the joke. It is very much she like
<v Speaker 1>fits in with the group and she has her own
<v Speaker 1>self determination where she is good and she's smart, and
<v Speaker 1>she knows she's smart, and she knows she's good. The
<v Speaker 1>literally the only thing holding her back, similar to Will
<v Speaker 1>and Well, similar to Will is a circumstance outside of
<v Speaker 1>their control. For him it's class, and for her it's gender.
<v Speaker 1>And if that wasn't for that, you know, she'd be
<v Speaker 1>fucking killing it as a blacksmith with all her inventive stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, her making the steel lighter and stronger.
<v Speaker 1>Founding Nike just do it just as she did, you know,
<v Speaker 1>incredible stupid, But I say is so sostly putting that
<v Speaker 1>in there is so the.
<v Speaker 3>Time Nike paid so much for that. I'm sure, I'm.
<v Speaker 1>Sure double swish, but no, Like, she's also a character
<v Speaker 1>that isn't played for lass. Like she's very she's taken
<v Speaker 1>very seriously in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think she tests them even like did they
<v Speaker 2>say I wasn't good because I'm a woman? And then
<v Speaker 2>Will clocks that immediately kind of because he's smart too,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, nope, they said your armor's shite and
<v Speaker 2>your work is garbage or what. Basically, like he kept
<v Speaker 2>it about her because he read from her, Like she
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even give it, Like if they say it's because
<v Speaker 2>she's a woman, she just wants to be a blacksmith
<v Speaker 2>and be seen as a blacksmith. She does not want
<v Speaker 2>to be seen as the woman blacksmith. She wants to
<v Speaker 2>be seen as a blacksmith and in their group, you're right,
<v Speaker 2>she's not the token woman. She reminds them that she's
<v Speaker 2>a woman and has a woman's perspective. But it's never
<v Speaker 2>used as a device or used in a negative lefe
<v Speaker 2>stand context. It's always in ah, you know who's the
<v Speaker 2>expert on this would be me?
<v Speaker 3>Because duh.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's not too dissimilar from how like
<v Speaker 1>Chaucer is the one they go to when there has
<v Speaker 1>to be something flowery, something written. You know, that's his skills.
<v Speaker 1>So it's like she's used in that component. And I
<v Speaker 1>think she could have very easily been like a man,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like, I don't think you
<v Speaker 1>would have changed that much of the script if she
<v Speaker 1>would have been played by a guy, except for how
<v Speaker 1>they come into contact with her initially. And I think
<v Speaker 1>that is very nice to see. I'm not trying to
<v Speaker 1>be grown right now, guys, maybe because it's late on
<v Speaker 1>a Sunday, but I was like, damn, this this movie
<v Speaker 1>was this time when we knew we were progressing culturally
<v Speaker 1>and we have been yanked right now, Well hopefully we're
<v Speaker 1>just in like the death blows, like the extinction burst
<v Speaker 1>freaking assholes right now. Who would call this movie woke
<v Speaker 1>if it came out today? Oh they would, because email
<v Speaker 1>Blacksmith And because this girl has like the main love
<v Speaker 1>of has self actualization. You're so fucking right. And I
<v Speaker 1>was like, I missed when movies like this were like,
<v Speaker 1>well girl power, and that had to be part of
<v Speaker 1>it because that was the culture. You had to have
<v Speaker 1>girl power.
<v Speaker 2>I mean the number of the neckbeards that love Princess
<v Speaker 2>Leah but wouldn't love Jocelyn. And they're the same in
<v Speaker 2>so many ways, different but also the same. He's a
<v Speaker 2>strong woman who does no time for this bullshit and
<v Speaker 2>doesn't need men. She knows who she is, and she's
<v Speaker 2>gonna if she finds a partner, that's going to be
<v Speaker 2>her partner. Cool.
<v Speaker 3>I'm into that. I'm a sexual being.
<v Speaker 2>But also, you ain't getting none of this if your
<v Speaker 2>typical douche had to have no interest and.
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, even her finding him.
<v Speaker 3>At night, that'd be totally woke.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even him finding him at night, going to his
<v Speaker 1>tent and then obviously having sex bet him, well whatever,
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of corny. But I was like, that's okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's so cool because there was no connotation about what
<v Speaker 1>that meant from like a slutty perspective. It was just
<v Speaker 1>like there to get down. Because also in rom comes
<v Speaker 1>of that time, they got to get down at one point.
<v Speaker 1>There has to be the kissing scene with the fade
<v Speaker 1>to black, which I as someone who was you know,
<v Speaker 1>I watched forty Days and forty Nights. I was a
<v Speaker 1>Shannon Sausaman rom com of the time Josh Hartnett aficionado,
<v Speaker 1>because I was like fifteen when this movie came out
<v Speaker 1>fourteen fifteen, and you were horned and I was horned.
<v Speaker 1>I was in my you know, peak sexual awakening at
<v Speaker 1>the time, and and it's cool like watching it now
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Wow, there really is no commentary
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that they slept together in this time period.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's totally anachronistic, but it's really dope, Like
<v Speaker 1>it was really dope, how self actualized girl powery she
<v Speaker 1>was in that way too, and it's all this stuff
<v Speaker 1>that's not spoken about, like they're also not being like
<v Speaker 1>a woman and owning her own sexuality.
<v Speaker 2>It's just happens, and it happened organically like it would.
<v Speaker 1>Where a different movie would be all all about the
<v Speaker 1>fact that she lost reverted to me, and that would
<v Speaker 1>be the only fucking thing the film. I mean, we
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if she's a virgin. We don't, That's
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Like, and so I'm glad that you
<v Speaker 1>brought that up, because you're absolutely right, like there is
<v Speaker 1>no there is nothing around that, and just continues to
<v Speaker 1>show that when you don't make it a thing, it's
<v Speaker 1>not a fucking thing. It's just fucking made up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, based on her behavior, I would
<v Speaker 2>say that she was not and like there's too much
<v Speaker 2>confidence in you know, I will maybe, but she no.
<v Speaker 2>And they didn't make that a thing either. It's just like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's what's gonna happen here and the end, and it's
<v Speaker 2>normal and natural and it's not like a major plot device.
<v Speaker 3>Is just a yeah, they've been building to this and
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of how it goes. That's it.
<v Speaker 1>And actually what's probably more out of sync with that
<v Speaker 1>behavior for her is the fact that she is a
<v Speaker 1>fancy woman, whereas I feel like there are probably women
<v Speaker 1>lower status, like of Rollins and all of them that
<v Speaker 1>probably were having sex, maybe not that differently then, not
<v Speaker 1>how we have sex nowadays, but you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 1>because there wasn't as much worry about your value to
<v Speaker 1>your prospective husband when you're of her class, where she's
<v Speaker 1>got to be a good girl if she wants to
<v Speaker 1>get the most bang for her buck, or her dad
<v Speaker 1>wants to get the most bang for her buck. When
<v Speaker 1>she gets sold off to her husband, so actually how
<v Speaker 1>she behaves is probably more how maybe Kate would, which
<v Speaker 1>is there probably wasn't more relaxed attitude around sex for
<v Speaker 1>someone of that statues. I'm making this up entirely anecdotally
<v Speaker 1>because it makes me think of In House of the
<v Speaker 1>Dragon Rania and how she kind of has this sort
<v Speaker 1>of energy that Jocelyn has, which is, if I want
<v Speaker 1>to get it, I'm going to get it, and she
<v Speaker 1>takes advantage. I think the same way maybe Jocelyn does,
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she is higher status does shows he
<v Speaker 1>does have a lot of protections around her or get
<v Speaker 1>you know, just naturally because she is wealthy.
<v Speaker 2>Which is a well traveled trope in films of like
<v Speaker 2>higher class who have been seeking lower classmen or lower
<v Speaker 2>status men to get ravished by.
<v Speaker 3>But also in this one, she was the one that was.
<v Speaker 1>He was the pursuer.
<v Speaker 3>She was the pursuer.
<v Speaker 1>She was she doesn't even he didn't even go to
<v Speaker 1>the banquet. He was like, I'm gonna go home and
<v Speaker 1>cry in my tents. He just goes home and pounds.
<v Speaker 1>He goes to his.
<v Speaker 3>Ten and he was hurt. Well, yeah it was fucking hurt.
<v Speaker 1>He had surgery.
<v Speaker 3>Girl.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I also think he's pouting I got okay,
<v Speaker 1>but also he was little. He was also hurt.
<v Speaker 3>He was pretty hurt. I mean he got he got
<v Speaker 3>hit with I don't know what like.
<v Speaker 2>Ten lances without being able to defend himself to prove
<v Speaker 2>his love to her, and then she didn't even show. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he was fucking hurt, Like I mean, what
<v Speaker 2>all the two guys like sitting there going That was
<v Speaker 2>after he lost and won the tournament for her. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>So in that timeline he got hit over and over
<v Speaker 2>and over without even being able to defend himself. He's
<v Speaker 2>fucking hurting.
<v Speaker 3>He's hurt. Okay, welcome back.
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like we've kind of covered this self
<v Speaker 2>determination ego et cetera of where we wanted to, and
<v Speaker 2>we're kind of bridging into Chosen Family anyway. So let's
<v Speaker 2>take a quick break here and let's talk about how
<v Speaker 2>do we see Chosen Family represented in this gem of
<v Speaker 2>a film.
<v Speaker 1>Well, as we were saying, this is a gaggle of outsiders,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, we do see Roland, Watt and
<v Speaker 1>Will start out together. Obviously, they're a little posse that
<v Speaker 1>we've already talked about. They are very sibling asque. They
<v Speaker 1>were raised together pretty much, and they already the dynamic
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about where Will definitely feels like the youngest
<v Speaker 1>of the three, and as the story goes along, they
<v Speaker 1>start to collect outsiders. Kate, we talked about the Blacksmith,
<v Speaker 1>and also Chaucer, who we haven't talked about that much,
<v Speaker 1>even though he's such a big part of the movie.
<v Speaker 1>He's tremendous, tremendous he made. I loved him so much.
<v Speaker 1>I love him so much. He's still alive. I don't
<v Speaker 1>want I sound like it was he's vision, baby, and
<v Speaker 1>his vision is name Yeah, the vision, and yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>think it is a It's a good demonstration of how
<v Speaker 1>when people can find each other, when outsiders can find
<v Speaker 1>each other, and they have the showsen family, how it
<v Speaker 1>does create powerful bonding. As we've talked about it, it
<v Speaker 1>really helps pull Will back in these moments where he
<v Speaker 1>could definitely get high on his own supply and fuck
<v Speaker 1>his shit up and everything could go to hell. I
<v Speaker 1>think it also helped him with his relationship to Joscelyn,
<v Speaker 1>like that humility there where I think that moment where
<v Speaker 1>they're all pulling together their experiences to write that letter
<v Speaker 1>to Joscelyn. I think was such a beautiful, sweet moment
<v Speaker 1>of Chosen Family, how they're all sharing their clutch experiences.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was also a good demonstration of how
<v Speaker 1>Will is the youngest, the littlest of the group, because
<v Speaker 1>he's having his first experience like that and they all
<v Speaker 1>already have stories that are sad that they're giving him.
<v Speaker 1>In that moment, he's getting benefiting from the mentorship, if
<v Speaker 1>you will, of his Chosen family.
<v Speaker 3>And I think he is and they do.
<v Speaker 2>They kind of adopt people, and I think the only
<v Speaker 2>one whoever sits slightly on a lower status is Chaucer,
<v Speaker 2>and even that's only for a little while. They seem
<v Speaker 2>like they really bring everybody into like we're all doing
<v Speaker 2>this together, and they find love for each other and empowerment,
<v Speaker 2>and they kind of let each person play the role
<v Speaker 2>that they're best suited for in their party, and they
<v Speaker 2>empower each other. It's never well, I say you do this,
<v Speaker 2>so you do that. No, they let everybody kind of
<v Speaker 2>naturally find their space and they create space and hold
<v Speaker 2>it for each other, which is a kind of powerful
<v Speaker 2>component of Chosen Families, of recognizing like, hey, this person
<v Speaker 2>is the vision person and this person might be the
<v Speaker 2>details person, and this person might be the heart person,
<v Speaker 2>and this is the person you call when you need
<v Speaker 2>to fuck some shit up, And this is the one
<v Speaker 2>who's gonna find us opportunities but also that none of
<v Speaker 2>us would ever get ourselves into willingly, and he's gonna
<v Speaker 2>push us.
<v Speaker 3>But also he's fucking right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have a really tight bond but an acceptance
<v Speaker 2>for each other, and never do they really use that
<v Speaker 2>against each other unless somebody really kind of needs to
<v Speaker 2>be checked.
<v Speaker 1>It really makes me think of radical acceptance just in general,
<v Speaker 1>just like radically accepting each other automatically of like okay,
<v Speaker 1>like now you're a part of the group, and now
<v Speaker 1>that you're a part of the group, this is the
<v Speaker 1>role that we're all going to play together. And and
<v Speaker 1>how I know that I work with a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>people that have chosen more chosen family connection then they
<v Speaker 1>have biofamily connection for many different reasons. And I think
<v Speaker 1>this is a really good example of how finding people
<v Speaker 1>who are similar to you and have similar values and
<v Speaker 1>beliefs and all that stuff, that you can really be
<v Speaker 1>seen and heard by other people and choose other family
<v Speaker 1>for yourself, Like that really is an experience that you
<v Speaker 1>can have and how important that can be, especially when
<v Speaker 1>I think about like moving like I've been in Chicago
<v Speaker 1>for I think twelve years, but like moving to a
<v Speaker 1>big city by yourself and trying to in a lot
<v Speaker 1>of times, I think people who moved to Chicago from
<v Speaker 1>a teeny tiny place like me really opens up this
<v Speaker 1>ability like you're around all these different people who have
<v Speaker 1>the same thoughts and beliefs as you do, and how
<v Speaker 1>that may be something you have never experienced before. And
<v Speaker 1>so I think as we're talking about so we're talking
<v Speaker 1>about everybody and kind of their role and Will being
<v Speaker 1>the youngest, I think you guys have a really good
<v Speaker 1>point that he is really being comforted and supported and
<v Speaker 1>like cocooned by there by this chosen family. And also
<v Speaker 1>I think an important element to highlight as well is
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of times people who engage in chosen
<v Speaker 1>family are disenfranchised in some way. That's I think the
<v Speaker 1>way it's most commonly talked about in modern parlance is,
<v Speaker 1>especially with the queer community, a lot of times they
<v Speaker 1>discuss chosen family because unfortunately a lot of people still
<v Speaker 1>when they come out as queer, get disowned from their
<v Speaker 1>family get kicked out, Like the highest number of unhoused
<v Speaker 1>young people are people that have come out to their
<v Speaker 1>families in some way, and so there is a lot
<v Speaker 1>of importance and respect put on chosen family. And I
<v Speaker 1>wonder with Will Roland and want like they kind of
<v Speaker 1>have this sort of similar normalization in terms of your
<v Speaker 1>family isn't necessarily people that you stay with or that
<v Speaker 1>raise you or that take care of you, that you there.
<v Speaker 1>The blood bond isn't as important in their culture too,
<v Speaker 1>because they get sent away for whatever reason, or their
<v Speaker 1>famili's just not around whatever it is. When we meet
<v Speaker 1>all these people in the movie, they aren't with any
<v Speaker 1>blood relatives. The only person that has a family we
<v Speaker 1>hear about is Jocelyn's dad, and we don't even see him.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think. We don't even see any scenes with
<v Speaker 1>them together for sure.
<v Speaker 3>No, we don't.
<v Speaker 1>And so there is no actual blood family in this movie.
<v Speaker 1>It's all families who you're with and who looks out
<v Speaker 1>for you, who takes care of you, which I really
<v Speaker 1>like because I'll tell you what, when you work out
<v Speaker 1>with families and children, At least this is my experience,
<v Speaker 1>It does not encourage my belief that blood matters. It
<v Speaker 1>actually has discouraged. So blood matters. Your family is the
<v Speaker 1>same and the people you know, white people who take
<v Speaker 1>care of you, and they look out for you, and
<v Speaker 1>you give a shit about each other. The blood really
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have anything to do with it other than it's
<v Speaker 1>a long held way that family has been organized.
<v Speaker 2>Well, as we've talked about here, even the quote that
<v Speaker 2>families growing up have loved to misuse. His blood is
<v Speaker 2>thicker than water, But that has not a fucking thing
<v Speaker 2>to do with the blood that is in your veins.
<v Speaker 2>It is the blood that is spilt in battle building
<v Speaker 2>comrades and arms, which is a whole separate kind of bond,
<v Speaker 2>and that is exactly the kind of bond that this
<v Speaker 2>group has. They have blood swat, starved, slaved together, and
<v Speaker 2>they all understand each other on that level. They all
<v Speaker 2>when they saw Chaucer this and of course Paul Bettany's
<v Speaker 2>what six', five so it's like giant naked man just
<v Speaker 2>wandering down the, street they all had empathy for, him
<v Speaker 2>like what are you? Doing and they brought him in
<v Speaker 2>and they closed, Him they fed, in accepted, him even
<v Speaker 2>though he's imperfect and has, problems and he lied a little,
<v Speaker 2>bit but he also was, like uh, yo so, OH
<v Speaker 2>i can make some dope papers that can make this
<v Speaker 2>reality for. You AND i have some knowledge that you
<v Speaker 2>guys kind of, don't so we, can you, know do this.
<v Speaker 2>Thing and they accepted that because they needed. To and
<v Speaker 2>there's like a warmth to that, That, well you can
<v Speaker 2>only be in this family if you're bid by these
<v Speaker 2>rules and married this person as we've arranged for. You
<v Speaker 2>there's a very different energy to this Of i'm going
<v Speaker 2>to accept you and love you and find the good
<v Speaker 2>power you have and let you shine as the light
<v Speaker 2>you are and love you while you do.
<v Speaker 3>It THAT i feel like makes this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Special, WELL i think the long and the short of
<v Speaker 1>it is that when you engage in more chosen, FAMILY
<v Speaker 1>i think you just have more flexibility about what family
<v Speaker 1>means and what closeness, means and it is more rooted
<v Speaker 1>in well you guys are talking, about which is values
<v Speaker 1>and character than the fact that we just happen to
<v Speaker 1>share a lot of genetic, components which is a and
<v Speaker 1>WHEN i work with with people that are struggling with their,
<v Speaker 1>family and it can come out in a lot of
<v Speaker 1>honestly like, shame towards themselves of, like why AM i
<v Speaker 1>not closer to my? Siblings why AM i not closer to?
<v Speaker 1>THIS i, go, well here's the. Thing your family is
<v Speaker 1>just a crapshoot in terms of personalities and stuff like.
<v Speaker 1>That so people who just happen to be like best
<v Speaker 1>friends with their, siblings for, example they're just. Lucky it's
<v Speaker 1>not because they're doing something that you're not, doing and
<v Speaker 1>so that's a flaw on your. Part they just are
<v Speaker 1>very lucky and that they vibe like friends with their,
<v Speaker 1>family and that's not true for. Everybody and like you were, Saying,
<v Speaker 1>BEN i think when you have that more flexible, outlook
<v Speaker 1>not just suppose to the chosen family, aspect but also
<v Speaker 1>because of the status, stuff the life, stuff the social economic,
<v Speaker 1>Stuff like you're, right like there's more openness to looking
<v Speaker 1>at other people as people that could be a part
<v Speaker 1>of your group or, not versus judging them because they
<v Speaker 1>do judge him. OBVIOUSLY i, mean how can you not
<v Speaker 1>judge someone covered in shit walking on the. Road, nay,
<v Speaker 1>Kid but they have more curiosity in a way THAT
<v Speaker 1>i think is more common within like chosen Famili it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of like similar like when you watch the show
<v Speaker 1>pose a lot of what poses about his chosen family
<v Speaker 1>and how in that, show when she comes Across blanca
<v Speaker 1>starts to deep cut for post, fans when she comes Across, Darien, Damon,
<v Speaker 1>Damien it's been a while SINCE i watched the Show
<v Speaker 1>The Young dancer in the first, season instead of her judging,
<v Speaker 1>him she's like asking questions about his, life what's he,
<v Speaker 1>doing how's he because she knows what it's like to
<v Speaker 1>be there. WHERE i feel like in this situation, too
<v Speaker 1>when you have relied on chosen, family you, know you
<v Speaker 1>have more empathy and understanding of what it's like to need,
<v Speaker 1>someone to need to be chosen and not just be
<v Speaker 1>able to rely on your family of, origin your blood.
<v Speaker 1>Relations AND i think we also see the powerful impact
<v Speaker 1>too On, chaucer for, example someone who has this interesting
<v Speaker 1>balance of arrogance and. Humility it's like he knows he's really,
<v Speaker 1>smart but he also knows he's kind of fuck, up
<v Speaker 1>and he's bouncing between the. Two and even though he
<v Speaker 1>still does gamble in terms of placing bets On, will
<v Speaker 1>once he really gets locked in to their group and
<v Speaker 1>their chosen, family it does seem to curb his the
<v Speaker 1>intensity of his addictive, behavior AND i wonder if that
<v Speaker 1>says a. LOT i, Mean i'm reading into this movie,
<v Speaker 1>obviously BUT i think that could be true in the
<v Speaker 1>sense that he's got more things that he cares, about
<v Speaker 1>there's more, accountability he is being maybe perceived well for
<v Speaker 1>the first time in a long, time BECAUSE i think
<v Speaker 1>something that's hard with someone who has a history of
<v Speaker 1>addiction is that you wear people, out and you can
<v Speaker 1>get a really bad, reputation even with people that love,
<v Speaker 1>you and so it can start to be, like, fuck
<v Speaker 1>it might as well. Gamble it's the only WAY i,
<v Speaker 1>get you, know positive arousal. Feelings AND i wonder with
<v Speaker 1>someone like him meeting them and them being so inclusive with,
<v Speaker 1>him and then also paying that debt because he fucks
<v Speaker 1>up pretty quickly and then they give him the benefit of.
<v Speaker 1>That that it makes me think of When i've worked
<v Speaker 1>with kids that have been really disenfranchised by their own,
<v Speaker 1>behaviors and when they get the opportunity to be in
<v Speaker 1>the good graces of, someone even after they've seen their,
<v Speaker 1>shit they do have the power sometimes to like really
<v Speaker 1>turn it around because they care about something, more something
<v Speaker 1>bigger than just themselves or their. Shame or. Whatever SO
<v Speaker 1>i do feel like we see the power of chosen,
<v Speaker 1>FAMILY i think the most in a lot of. Ways With, CHAUCER.
<v Speaker 3>I think those are really his dute. POINTS i think.
<v Speaker 2>We see his needs getting, met his deep attachment needs getting,
<v Speaker 2>met and then his behavior starts to decrease because he's
<v Speaker 2>not seeking the only available path to get his needs.
<v Speaker 2>Met he's just getting the Met and while that doesn't
<v Speaker 2>stop addictive, behavior which this movie doesn't create a fantasy
<v Speaker 2>that it, does because you see him as soon as
<v Speaker 2>he sees, dice you see.
<v Speaker 3>Him Paul bettany's acting is so. Good he's, like.
<v Speaker 2>Looks like he's seeing a big old juicy steak and
<v Speaker 2>he sees the dice and he's, like, oh what game
<v Speaker 2>is that over?
<v Speaker 3>There because, Uh and he.
<v Speaker 2>Keeps, walking but you can see like it pained, him
<v Speaker 2>it pained him to not go for. That but as
<v Speaker 2>soon as we see him getting his needs, met getting,
<v Speaker 2>accepted brought, in he has a reason to. Try and
<v Speaker 2>they do accept that about. Him they kind of tolerate
<v Speaker 2>and they don't cast him out for being. Imperfect they
<v Speaker 2>bring him in and might he wear them out if
<v Speaker 2>he keeps up the?
<v Speaker 3>Behavior? Yeah does he test that.
<v Speaker 2>Limit he does does what beat his ass a couple of, Times,
<v Speaker 2>sure he, does but ALSO i don't think anybody else
<v Speaker 2>cared enough about him to beat his ass and bring him.
<v Speaker 2>Back and while beating someone's ass is not Something i'm
<v Speaker 2>advocating for within the context of this, movie that Was watt's.
<v Speaker 2>WAY i think recognizing that family accepting each other and
<v Speaker 2>not creating a stafe landing point that we're still gonna
<v Speaker 2>accept you when you fuck, up when you mess something,
<v Speaker 2>up when you do something, wrong when you even threaten
<v Speaker 2>all of us with your, Behavior we're still we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>figure this out together and also going to knock the
<v Speaker 2>shut off because we're gonna hold you accountable for your.
<v Speaker 2>Shit but at the same, time we're not gonna just
<v Speaker 2>cast you. Out AND i think it's a powerful togetherness
<v Speaker 2>message we see.
<v Speaker 1>Here ABSOLUTELY i feel LIKE i feel like that's exactly
<v Speaker 1>right in terms of How chaucer is a part of the,
<v Speaker 1>group and having somebody who needs some purpose and needs
<v Speaker 1>something to focus on and needs people who will be, like,
<v Speaker 1>hey it's, okay you messed. Up here's some, clothes here's some,
<v Speaker 1>money here's some. Food like having that experience and being
<v Speaker 1>able to be in a place where that's just automatically
<v Speaker 1>offered up to. You is it can be a huge
<v Speaker 1>difference for people and can really make them really have
<v Speaker 1>a moment of clarity where they can decide that they're
<v Speaker 1>going to do something. Different AND i feel like in
<v Speaker 1>that moment when he says it the first time and he's, like,
<v Speaker 1>No i'm not going to do that. Anymore whenever that,
<v Speaker 1>HAPPENS i feel like he really meant, that like he
<v Speaker 1>was really LIKE i really can he do? That, no
<v Speaker 1>because it's not how addiction. Works but it's. Good it's
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see that self, determination like we talked about
<v Speaker 1>in the, beginning of him being able to really sit
<v Speaker 1>in that and be, like this is something THAT i
<v Speaker 1>want to be able to. Do want to be a
<v Speaker 1>part of this group.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely AND i think the only other THING i want
<v Speaker 2>to hint on with that is that when you create
<v Speaker 2>that kind of space for, people like you're talking about
<v Speaker 2>both of, you is you see spontaneous moments of growth
<v Speaker 2>and actualization where people really feel themselves and see in
<v Speaker 2>the universe where they. Fit and, man does he see
<v Speaker 2>it when he sees, Like, Oh i'm the HERALD i
<v Speaker 2>need to do the, heralding and then he does it
<v Speaker 2>in a way that is so authentically him and the
<v Speaker 2>crowd loves him for. It Without tosser doing it that,
<v Speaker 2>Way Sir rik Van liechtenstein would not be a. Sensation
<v Speaker 2>he'd just be another jackass on a.
<v Speaker 1>Horse fun side, Note Sir alrich Von lichtenstein was a
<v Speaker 1>real night from the thirteenth on tree who was known
<v Speaker 1>for being good at jousting and for being A poet's.
<v Speaker 3>Actually From.
<v Speaker 1>GELBERLAND i don't think so that place sounded like.
<v Speaker 3>That i've been. There it's in The.
<v Speaker 1>Netherlands well, well, well WELL i thought it was fucking
<v Speaker 1>made up as ship and was like these people believe.
<v Speaker 1>Anything maybe, Yeah i'm Lady brittany From Fragle.
<v Speaker 3>Rock, no, no it had to have been a real.
<v Speaker 2>Place uh and, YES i felt the same way UNTIL
<v Speaker 2>i went to The netherlands for study. Abroad it was
<v Speaker 2>like seeing its Like, Gelderland Like. Gelderland, yeah oh, shit
<v Speaker 2>it's something to show me a dance From gelberland Because
<v Speaker 2>i'm here for. It but, no it's a it's a
<v Speaker 2>it's a real. Place and the The dutch would have
<v Speaker 2>had a lot more control Over belgium of that time
<v Speaker 2>than they do. Now belgium would have been either non
<v Speaker 2>existent or split Between french And dutch, control and the
<v Speaker 2>northern region closest To england is called The flemish, region
<v Speaker 2>where they speak A dutch dialect Called.
<v Speaker 3>Flemish so he little history lesson from someone that went.
<v Speaker 1>THERE i thought you were gonna say flem AND i was,
<v Speaker 1>like that could not be the name of.
<v Speaker 2>There, No but there's a, lot there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>ties to real stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Here that's a fun little.
<v Speaker 1>Tidbit AND i would say one other THING i want
<v Speaker 1>to mention With, trouscer which may be more fits with
<v Speaker 1>the first, Part but oh, well is like you're saying
<v Speaker 1>with The, heralding he's able to get his purpose met
<v Speaker 1>in a way that's also. Fulfilling LIKE i wonder what
<v Speaker 1>addiction To sometimes we will go towards those pleasure seeking
<v Speaker 1>behaviors when we're feeling a lack of, purpose a lack of,
<v Speaker 1>fulfillment and we're just trying to kind of get it
<v Speaker 1>where we, can, well you, know get it, well it's.
<v Speaker 1>Good and SO i wonder with him, too is him
<v Speaker 1>being able to be in something so fulfilling and also
<v Speaker 1>kind of. Addicting you, know the, crowd the.
<v Speaker 3>Attention, oh he's clearly loving.
<v Speaker 1>It he's walking up and down in front of the
<v Speaker 1>air to the, throne you know WHAT i. Mean and
<v Speaker 1>so he also gets a replacement. Addiction his chosen family
<v Speaker 1>also kind of gives him something that's healthier that replaces the.
<v Speaker 1>Addiction he's doing something to be invested, in something to
<v Speaker 1>be excited. By And i'm sure also he gets some
<v Speaker 1>of that high energy arousal stuff too from being around
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i think about the scene Where watt starting to
<v Speaker 1>lose it and he like rips him down in the middle,
<v Speaker 1>area which was very, Funny And i'm, like this is
<v Speaker 1>probably also giving him a bit of the hormonal flooding
<v Speaker 1>that gambling does being around all these. SCALLYWAGS a life of,
<v Speaker 1>crime you, know an addiction is not too far from
<v Speaker 1>each other terms of probably where it lights up in your.
<v Speaker 1>Brain so he gets a little dose of healthy crime
<v Speaker 1>and risk, taking and also the arousal of like the
<v Speaker 1>response and being the first marketer. Influencer and then he
<v Speaker 1>gets the hit of being around people that have goodwill with.
<v Speaker 1>You and SO i can see where all those things
<v Speaker 1>do satisfy him in a way that maybe it wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>happen in real life because addiction is, Crazy like addiction
<v Speaker 1>is a, powerful powerful, thing AND i don't want to undermine.
<v Speaker 1>That AND i could see for someone like, him BECAUSE
<v Speaker 1>i would like to know more about him as, Well
<v Speaker 1>like is he like a gifted kid who's bored so
<v Speaker 1>he becomes so he devolves a gambling. Addiction is that
<v Speaker 1>once he gets fulfilled in all these different, ways the
<v Speaker 1>gambling isn't as, Seductive it isn't as all consuming like we're.
<v Speaker 1>Saying he still gets a kick out of it with
<v Speaker 1>betting On will and getting the others to come into
<v Speaker 1>it with, him but it's not as much of like
<v Speaker 1>a deep hole he will fall in as it was
<v Speaker 1>before when he didn't have anything.
<v Speaker 3>ELSE i agree with those. Things do you have anything
<v Speaker 3>else we want to say on this?
<v Speaker 1>TOPIC i don't think.
<v Speaker 5>So All, Right, well let's take a break here and
<v Speaker 5>we'll get into our self care treatment section for this.
<v Speaker 3>Episode normally we.
<v Speaker 2>Cover treatment here and look at the, characters but we
<v Speaker 2>kind of collectively decided in our pre show that this
<v Speaker 2>is such a simple. Movie the good guys, win the
<v Speaker 2>bad guy. Loses they get to monologue at him even
<v Speaker 2>and everybody gets what they.
<v Speaker 3>Want so.
<v Speaker 2>Rather than cover the characters that don't need anything really
<v Speaker 2>because they're not complex enough for us to give you
<v Speaker 2>anything real about, this we could make sure.
<v Speaker 3>Up we could rise it, up just like this movie
<v Speaker 3>does all over the, place but it's a bad.
<v Speaker 2>Idea we're going to do instead is talk about why
<v Speaker 2>movies like this, exist why we go back to, them
<v Speaker 2>why we watch them over and. Over movies like, THIS
<v Speaker 2>i think in our chat we all realize that this
<v Speaker 2>movie is. Perfect, well why do we think?
<v Speaker 1>That?
<v Speaker 2>Hannah i'm going to toss it to you BECAUSE i
<v Speaker 2>think you were the first one who kind of threw
<v Speaker 2>that out.
<v Speaker 3>There this movie is just.
<v Speaker 1>AWESOME i think a part of it is connected to
<v Speaker 1>how OLD i was WHEN i saw this movie the first,
<v Speaker 1>time so being eighteen and watching something where kind of
<v Speaker 1>the things That i've brought up throughout the episode so,
<v Speaker 1>far SO i really feel LIKE i forgot the.
<v Speaker 2>QUESTION i just, like why is it that the movies
<v Speaker 2>like this are? Awesome and we kind of they are
<v Speaker 2>good for our mental.
<v Speaker 1>Health because they really we don't have to think about.
<v Speaker 1>Anything we can sit in a room and just watch
<v Speaker 1>the simple story play. Out it was its. Dynamic the
<v Speaker 1>music is, fun the characters love each. Other it's a
<v Speaker 1>very like comforting film to. Watch AND i think that
<v Speaker 1>a big and being able to really be immersed in
<v Speaker 1>something and be able to not have to think about
<v Speaker 1>all of the real world that we're all living in.
<v Speaker 1>Currently and this is one of those movies where you just,
<v Speaker 1>go you can just, sit you don't have to have
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be, sobbing you don't have to be.
<v Speaker 1>Upset like it's just a very chill film that shows
<v Speaker 1>love and. Companionship AND i think it AND i think
<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of thing that we're all seeking when
<v Speaker 1>we want to take good care of, ourselves which is
<v Speaker 1>finding something that feels comfortable and good and it also doesn't,
<v Speaker 1>cost you, know two hundred dollars to. DO i would,
<v Speaker 1>say WHAT i want to add to that is something
<v Speaker 1>THAT i NOTICE i observe as a pattern WHEN i
<v Speaker 1>work with people that have trauma, backgrounds is there can
<v Speaker 1>be a almost unconscious re traumatizing by always watching and
<v Speaker 1>reading things that are heavy as. Fuck LIKE i have
<v Speaker 1>so many clients that have had, like for, example domestic,
<v Speaker 1>violence and they'll be, like, YEAH i Watch itania over the,
<v Speaker 1>weekend and that's them telling me how they like had
<v Speaker 1>chill time over the. Weekend i'm, like you gotta be
<v Speaker 1>fucking kidding, me you. Know and SO i do think
<v Speaker 1>there it's important to have a space for entertainment that
<v Speaker 1>is just for entertainment that doesn't have to be BECAUSE i, think,
<v Speaker 1>like and this is my bias showing is THAT i
<v Speaker 1>think sort of the modern equivalent to that right now
<v Speaker 1>is REALITY. Tv AND i don't love that as a
<v Speaker 1>therapist because it involves so much conflicts and beating, Down
<v Speaker 1>like it's a lot of people demoralizing themselves to each.
<v Speaker 1>Other it's a lot of its humiliation and rituals and
<v Speaker 1>fighting and drama and all that kind of, stuff and it's,
<v Speaker 1>boring AND i, think, well it's. Boring that's my bias right,
<v Speaker 1>there especially same. Girl BUT i do think we're missing
<v Speaker 1>currently this pocket of movies or this category of entertainment
<v Speaker 1>which is just like, fun not that, serious not that deep,
<v Speaker 1>movies you, Know like we don't really make rom coms
<v Speaker 1>in the theaters like we used. To AND i think
<v Speaker 1>that's a component of. This and even THOUGH i do
<v Speaker 1>love AND ii of The Seven, kingdoms that's a good
<v Speaker 1>example OF i think where culture has gone in terms
<v Speaker 1>of like prestige prestige television and prestige, movies where everything
<v Speaker 1>has to be so deadly, serious so rooted in, reality
<v Speaker 1>so violent and, GOD i sound like a friggin door
<v Speaker 1>right now saying the, violence which violence. Is BUT i, mean,
<v Speaker 1>like we we have introduced so much grounded quote unquote
<v Speaker 1>psychology into movies and TO tv shows now, too and
<v Speaker 1>stories will also get, dragged, like for, EXAMPLE i really
<v Speaker 1>like the New Wathering heights. ADAPTATION a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>hated it because they thought of it all four times
<v Speaker 1>in the, Theater yeah you. Did because they thought it
<v Speaker 1>was too, shallow pretty much like too, Superficial like it
<v Speaker 1>didn't have all the depth and drudgery of the, book
<v Speaker 1>Which i'm fine with BECAUSE i forget hate that book
<v Speaker 1>AND i read it last year or like two years,
<v Speaker 1>ago so this is a new take for. Me and
<v Speaker 1>also there's a bajillion adaptations Of Wuthering, Heights so go
<v Speaker 1>watch a sadder one or realer one if you want.
<v Speaker 1>To like it'd be different if that was the only
<v Speaker 1>adaptation of this piece of. Work and you can have
<v Speaker 1>a lot of feelings about that BECAUSE i understand that
<v Speaker 1>as someone who reads a lot of. Books BUT i
<v Speaker 1>think with, this this is a good example of, like
<v Speaker 1>if you want the harder core version of, it you
<v Speaker 1>can find the harder core version of. It but if
<v Speaker 1>you want like a lighter version that just helps you
<v Speaker 1>enjoy yourself and you don't have to get your blood pressure.
<v Speaker 1>Spiking this stuff does have a place AND i AND
<v Speaker 1>i don't know if it's also LIKE i don't, know, intellectualism,
<v Speaker 1>misogyny all this stuff that kind of has made these
<v Speaker 1>movies not as prevalent, nowadays but it is important to
<v Speaker 1>have things to watch for the love of the, game
<v Speaker 1>like for the fun of a, movie BECAUSE i just
<v Speaker 1>love going to the, movies AND i have a very
<v Speaker 1>low bar for movies to pass for me to enjoy.
<v Speaker 1>Them AND i think there is so much space for
<v Speaker 1>mes that are just fun and good and they don't
<v Speaker 1>have to BE i don't have to be looking into
<v Speaker 1>the abyss into the psyche of the human, mind which
<v Speaker 1>is ironic considering this podcasts.
<v Speaker 3>We're saying, that but and what we do as a, Profession, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>BUT i think because we other a, PROFESSION i don't
<v Speaker 1>need to be doing. THAT i don't think anyone should
<v Speaker 1>be doing that all the.
<v Speaker 2>Time can you please explain that more like the number
<v Speaker 2>of TIMES i have to tell that to people in
<v Speaker 2>my life or even my.
<v Speaker 3>Spouse, Sorry, SWEEDIE i love.
<v Speaker 2>You is, like there's a lot of times Where i'll
<v Speaker 2>watch a show and she'll be really into her like
<v Speaker 2>all my friends also that's, good And i'll watch it
<v Speaker 2>for five minutes be, Like, nope this is, work this is,
<v Speaker 2>work this is. Work i'm NOT i Can't and she's,
<v Speaker 2>like you never want to watch anything like it needs
<v Speaker 2>to be in a galaxy far far, away or about
<v Speaker 2>a man who dresses like a, bat or about a
<v Speaker 2>dude who got bit by right, now just, something take
<v Speaker 2>me somewhere away THAT i don't have to be connected
<v Speaker 2>to an in steranity.
<v Speaker 3>ABYSS i, DON'T i don't want. IT i live. THERE
<v Speaker 3>i don't need it When i'm taking a.
<v Speaker 1>Break AND i feel Like Wuthering heights is such a
<v Speaker 1>good example because it's so. Atmospheric the music is very
<v Speaker 1>the music is done By CHARLIE. Xcx it is glorious
<v Speaker 1>in this, film but it's so WHAT i the reason
<v Speaker 1>WHY i THINK i saw it four times in movie.
<v Speaker 1>Theaters besides the fact That i'm a straight up maniac
<v Speaker 1>sometimes is THAT i didn't have to think about a
<v Speaker 1>fucking thing WHEN i was watching that. MOVIE i could
<v Speaker 1>just go, in listen to this beautiful, music this beautiful,
<v Speaker 1>set and all the really beautiful, colors and it reminds
<v Speaker 1>me a lot of A Night's, tale LIKE i like
<v Speaker 1>A Night's sale because the music is, fun it's. Dynamic
<v Speaker 1>the people in the FILM i either like or care
<v Speaker 1>for or think, about but not too. Hard AND i
<v Speaker 1>definitely used to be and maybe sometimes still. DO i
<v Speaker 1>try really hard not to. Anymore do What brittany, described
<v Speaker 1>it was definitely a person who've experienced a lot of
<v Speaker 1>trauma but wasn't able to really have awareness of. That
<v Speaker 1>AND i would watch all of these just gut wrenching
<v Speaker 1>things over and over. Again no, Less yeah you sure.
<v Speaker 3>Did YEAH i.
<v Speaker 1>DID i MEAN i, laugh not because you've had, trauma so,
<v Speaker 1>NO i, KNOW i mean just for the. LISTENING i
<v Speaker 1>laugh because the amount of Times i'm, like, Oh, hannah
<v Speaker 1>what are you up to? Today And you're, like, Oh
<v Speaker 1>i'm just like watching a movie And i'm like what
<v Speaker 1>movie and you're, like you tell me a. MOVIE i
<v Speaker 1>can't even think of an, example Like moonlight or. Something,
<v Speaker 1>yeah that's a good. Example i'm, like what the fuck
<v Speaker 1>that's how you relax is watching something that made me
<v Speaker 1>cry so hard THAT i almost had a panic attack
<v Speaker 1>AND i had to pause my television multiple. Times and
<v Speaker 1>THEN i THINK i texted you immediately, AFTER i, SAID
<v Speaker 1>i can't talk about this movie for at least a
<v Speaker 1>month Because i'm going to get too. Upset, Yep and
<v Speaker 1>you watch it. CASUALLY i was watching it casually at that.
<v Speaker 1>Time that is very true and so AND i think
<v Speaker 1>that that's a part OF i don't know if it's
<v Speaker 1>a part of connecting to another part of yourself when
<v Speaker 1>you're watching those traumatic, things or like seeing if you
<v Speaker 1>can get through it or get past it or whatever the.
<v Speaker 1>Fuck i'm not really sure what it. Is but we
<v Speaker 1>definitely needs something that just feels. Nice it just feels,
<v Speaker 1>good and isn't something where the chaoticness of the way
<v Speaker 1>that they're telling the story is so overwhelming that you
<v Speaker 1>have to pay attention so fucking, hard versus something that's
<v Speaker 1>just fun to, watch Like Indiana jones movies and Fucking
<v Speaker 1>Wuthering heights and just like different movies that you can
<v Speaker 1>really sit in for the hour and a half or
<v Speaker 1>two hours that it is instead of having to think
<v Speaker 1>about all of the worry that's out in the world
<v Speaker 1>right now and all the different ways that we're having
<v Speaker 1>to protect ourselves in different ways than we've ever had to.
<v Speaker 1>Before and there's just so many different experiences like. That
<v Speaker 1>so WHEN i talk about self care with, CLIENTS i
<v Speaker 1>talk a lot about it has to be if it can,
<v Speaker 1>be it should be something that either makes you feel,
<v Speaker 1>calm makes you feel more like, yourself or something that
<v Speaker 1>you can laugh. At and if it's not those, things
<v Speaker 1>then it's not really self. Care And i'm not one
<v Speaker 1>of those people who define self care AS i paid
<v Speaker 1>one thousand dollars to get all of the blood sucked
<v Speaker 1>out of my body and put back in or whatever the.
<v Speaker 1>Fuck i'm talking about things that you exactly. Like i'm
<v Speaker 1>talking about things that really help you feel more grounded
<v Speaker 1>almost and really finding those. Things and it is, hard
<v Speaker 1>don't get me. WRONG i talk to clients all the
<v Speaker 1>time about how everybody talks about self. Care it's this,
<v Speaker 1>big fancy topic and nobody, says nobody helps you find
<v Speaker 1>what works for. You because it is a different it's
<v Speaker 1>going to be different it's going to be different for
<v Speaker 1>you than it is for. Me like SOMETIMES i color
<v Speaker 1>and watch something and that's very. Nice SOMETIMES i sew
<v Speaker 1>and watch stuff LIKE i have to be doing more
<v Speaker 1>than one thing at once so that my brain doesn't
<v Speaker 1>get slipped. Out AND i think it's a good example
<v Speaker 1>of Why Abbot elementary has gotten so popular and everyone's
<v Speaker 1>Like Abbit, elementary like it's this blip miracle, show And i'm, like,
<v Speaker 1>yeah because it's a new version of what we used
<v Speaker 1>to have all the, time which is a, sitcom but
<v Speaker 1>not a, stupid like laugh tracky sitcom like, this just
<v Speaker 1>like a good, old like all feel, good thirty minute
<v Speaker 1>funny story that there is some depth and you care
<v Speaker 1>about the. Characters but it's not. Heavy and that's not
<v Speaker 1>a brand new. Idea it's a revisiting of an old.
<v Speaker 1>Idea It's parks and Rec it's The. Office it's like
<v Speaker 1>all these things that we've liked that we've kind of
<v Speaker 1>gotten away, from either because we've replaced with REALITY tv
<v Speaker 1>or WHAT i call dad, dramas which is breaking bad
<v Speaker 1>shit like THAT hbo precige, television WHICH i love all
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that. Shit LIKE i don't like DAD.
<v Speaker 1>Tv AS i call, it because that's WHERE i feel Like.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sons Of. Anarchy, HONESTLY i try to watch.
<v Speaker 1>This i've tried to Watch songs Of anarchy because Of
<v Speaker 1>Charlie hunnam horned so many times AND i. CAN i
<v Speaker 1>think the last TIME i made it all the way
<v Speaker 1>through season, one and that was hard BECAUSE i gotta
<v Speaker 1>be real and come at, me bro if you, want
<v Speaker 1>but the. Listener BUT i find those shows. Boring that's
<v Speaker 1>why when people Now i'm just want to rate right,
<v Speaker 1>now it's when people are Like house of The dragons,
<v Speaker 1>Boring i'm, like it's always the same people who Say
<v Speaker 1>house The dragons boring are the same people that watch
<v Speaker 1>all Of Breaking, bad all of The, ozarks all of
<v Speaker 1>these shows Where i'm, like you thought that was more
<v Speaker 1>exciting Than house of The, dragon where there are dragons
<v Speaker 1>and political drama and like intrigue and spy stuff and
<v Speaker 1>da da da. Dah but you like to look at
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of whatever looking people who look like my
<v Speaker 1>neighbors talk at each other for sixty minutes a. Week
<v Speaker 1>don't missing with, that you? Know BUT i will, say
<v Speaker 1>what's actually funny about what you? Said? Ben ABOUT i
<v Speaker 1>don't like watching shows WHERE i feel LIKE i have to.
<v Speaker 1>WORK i do think that's how REALITY tv makes me
<v Speaker 1>feel WHEN i watch, Things like When i've seen clips
<v Speaker 1>of things Like Temptation island Or Love island or any
<v Speaker 1>of those, SHOWS i can't watch. Them and it's not
<v Speaker 1>even me being like a pretentious, asshole BECAUSE i can't
<v Speaker 1>hate watching them, Either LIKE i get LIKE i feel
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i can feel in my, bodies like my shoulders
<v Speaker 1>are goring to go up to my ears just thinking about.
<v Speaker 1>It AND i think that's BECAUSE i start thinking about
<v Speaker 1>them as people too, much And i'm, like this is,
<v Speaker 1>humiliating that's horrible to look. At oh my, god that's really.
<v Speaker 1>Mean LIKE i start thinking about them as people too,
<v Speaker 1>much and ALSO i start thinking this show is so
<v Speaker 1>bad for, Them like how are they gonna be after
<v Speaker 1>they leave the? Show what is the producer? Saying the
<v Speaker 1>mind is LIKE i get too caught up in them as,
<v Speaker 1>humans and how horrible for your mental health it must
<v Speaker 1>be to be in one of those. Settings and we
<v Speaker 1>know it is because there's people who've like killed themselves
<v Speaker 1>after being on REALITY tv. Shows and if you want
<v Speaker 1>to watch something of this show Called unreal that was On.
<v Speaker 1>Lifetime that's a scripted show about a producer on A
<v Speaker 1>bacheorette like. Show and that show's really good and it
<v Speaker 1>talks about all this. Stuff actually it's very affirming to,
<v Speaker 1>watch AND i think that's what's so, interesting and that's
<v Speaker 1>WHY i can't watch those. Shows so this actually ties
<v Speaker 1>a connection for, Me ben THAT i can use later
<v Speaker 1>on people ask me about REALITY, Tv i'll be like
<v Speaker 1>those so feels like. Work LIKE i get sad WHEN
<v Speaker 1>i watch those. Shows my brain doesn't turn. OFF i
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's a part of my brain that spikes
<v Speaker 1>AND i can't, relax like my whole body clenches.
<v Speaker 3>Up, nope can't do.
<v Speaker 1>IT i feel exactly the same, way LIKE i don't
<v Speaker 1>need to watch people yell at each. OTHER i grew
<v Speaker 1>up with people yelling at each. OTHER i don't need
<v Speaker 1>to fucking watch people be mad at each other for
<v Speaker 1>what could be a totally made up reason by the,
<v Speaker 1>Producer Like i'm, Not i'm just not interested in. That
<v Speaker 1>it's not. Fun you knowwhere? ELSE i can't watch shit with.
<v Speaker 1>THERAPISTS i won't do it. Anymore Besides Dr, warna my
<v Speaker 1>main GIRL a couple therapy AND i still haven't AND
<v Speaker 1>i still haven't watched. IT i think so like, maybe
<v Speaker 1>BUT i can't watch anything where therapist is, bad because
<v Speaker 1>in most, media therapists are bad And i'm sick of
<v Speaker 1>it AND i get so upset about it THAT i
<v Speaker 1>can't like. Shrinking everybody's, like, oh shrinking is so, good
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Blah it might, be but you know, WHAT
<v Speaker 1>i got three minutes into the first, EPISODE i was,
<v Speaker 1>like fuck this, Asshole i'm over. It I'M i, CAN'T
<v Speaker 1>i can't do, it AND i won't do.
<v Speaker 2>It it's, understandable AND i think WHERE i feel like
<v Speaker 2>we're missing movies like this in media like this one
<v Speaker 2>is at no point do you really feel Like will's
<v Speaker 2>not gonna make?
<v Speaker 1>It? Oh that's WHAT i love about Reading rams books sometimes,
<v Speaker 1>too As i'm, like no matter what HAPs to these two,
<v Speaker 1>rascals they're gonna get together at the, end and it's, comforting,
<v Speaker 1>Right they're gonna bang and they're gonna oh and.
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna, believe and all of us are, like you,
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i just want someone to like me for, me
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i want to kind of win AND i kind
<v Speaker 2>of like to get laid AFTER i. Win in celebration
<v Speaker 2>of my win by someone who genuinely likes me for.
<v Speaker 2>Me why is this hard for people to?
<v Speaker 1>Understand that's such a good point, though like the comfort
<v Speaker 1>of a happy, ending like a guaranteed happy, ending so.
<v Speaker 3>She, Said.
<v Speaker 1>And you, know, however you, whatever what you mean is
<v Speaker 1>such A. Yeah it is WHY i like reading Like
<v Speaker 1>Allie hazelwood and books like, that which are also popcorn.
<v Speaker 1>Books if you want to make that, connection IS i
<v Speaker 1>intersperse them with the heavier BOOKS i read for that
<v Speaker 1>exact reason that it's nice to read something WHERE i
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about what's gonna. Happen, REALLY i
<v Speaker 1>can just get caught up in it BECAUSE i know
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a safe. Landing and you're right with
<v Speaker 1>like movies like, this there can be some suspense with
<v Speaker 1>are they gonna get the? Girl is their friend gonna
<v Speaker 1>be mad at? Them? Whatever but like WHEN i was
<v Speaker 1>Watching nine Of Seven, KINGDOMS i was legit, like who's gonna?
<v Speaker 1>Die when are they gonna? Die like stressed. Out even
<v Speaker 1>watching this movie when he wears the, VISOR i was,
<v Speaker 1>like oh my, God like it's making me think of
<v Speaker 1>the inside of advisor more like how it actually feels
<v Speaker 1>to be a night because that episode nine of The
<v Speaker 1>Seven kingdoms From, inside which stressed OUT i Think i've
<v Speaker 1>ever been WATCHING tv that And welcome To, Dairy, Yeah
<v Speaker 1>welcome To. Darry's and that's you're, Right, LIKE i. Don't
<v Speaker 1>i'm enjoying how good the story, is BUT i don't
<v Speaker 1>know how MUCH i enjoy HOW i feel watching those,
<v Speaker 1>Things LIKE i think During welcome To, DAY i was
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i almost couldn't take, It LIKE i, think, well
<v Speaker 1>hand ON i watched, together there was a moment WHERE
<v Speaker 1>i was, LIKE I i'm reaching my threshold and that's
<v Speaker 1>become what a lot OF tv. Is so you're, right
<v Speaker 1>like the promise of the premise of a happy ending
<v Speaker 1>is really.
<v Speaker 2>Nice it, is and a story where you know a
<v Speaker 2>person takes a chance and it pays off in a huge.
<v Speaker 3>Way we, haven't you.
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i talked About Prince edward, much but someone seeing
<v Speaker 2>him that the speech he. Gives IF i knew nothing
<v Speaker 2>else about, you your men loving you would be.
<v Speaker 3>Enough AND i KNOW i said that the wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Order so for anybody that's gonna bust me on, THAT
<v Speaker 2>i know he starts with your men love, YOU i,
<v Speaker 2>know but to be seen just for that That william
<v Speaker 2>is like the heart of this, group and that even
<v Speaker 2>when he's been put in the, stocks Which roland warned
<v Speaker 2>his ass the whole movie was.
<v Speaker 3>Gonna happen to.
<v Speaker 2>Him when that, happens they're still standing next to him
<v Speaker 2>with a, club ready to fight the entire crowd that
<v Speaker 2>wants to throw, vegetables and they're getting vegetables thrown at them,
<v Speaker 2>Too and it's in that moment when he gets, knighted you,
<v Speaker 2>know like in real, life that's not the way that
<v Speaker 2>shit would have.
<v Speaker 3>Gone that would have gone.
<v Speaker 1>Bad, well, yeah watch That eye Of Seven kingdoms if
<v Speaker 1>you want to see how that probably would really.
<v Speaker 3>Go or we're in a brave.
<v Speaker 1>Heart yeah for, Sure, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>That's how it would have, gone but maybe not quite that,
<v Speaker 2>bad but somewhere in that. Camp BUT i think looking
<v Speaker 2>at what they did with this, movie it always stayed
<v Speaker 2>within your window of.
<v Speaker 3>Tolerance it raised.
<v Speaker 2>Your blood pressure a little bit for good and bad,
<v Speaker 2>reasons but it kept it in the happy. Camp and
<v Speaker 2>they and they let you know right, away we're not
<v Speaker 2>taking ourselves too. Seriously and if that's what you were looking,
<v Speaker 2>for you're in the wrong. Place because they started out
<v Speaker 2>with Fucking queen and it was. Amazing and in the dance,
<v Speaker 2>scene they worked their way through like some kind of
<v Speaker 2>like loot music Into Bowie.
<v Speaker 1>HI i love that scene AND i love how it
<v Speaker 1>slowly turns into, them just like dancing at a. Club,
<v Speaker 1>yeah but you're, right like it sets a tone right
<v Speaker 1>away of like this is the, movie take it or
<v Speaker 1>leave it, Right let's have.
<v Speaker 3>Fun let's have. Fun that's the whole point of it.
<v Speaker 2>Is we're here to have two hours of time where
<v Speaker 2>we forget about our life and just enjoy a. Story
<v Speaker 2>AND i think we don't give ourselves that enough because
<v Speaker 2>we're in this golden era OF tv ever SINCE i
<v Speaker 2>don't know the, Sopranos like everything has to be this
<v Speaker 2>cultural and emotional impact and the betrayals and getting drawn
<v Speaker 2>into the, story and you have to know the backstory
<v Speaker 2>of the characters and the whole story to know. It
<v Speaker 2>you can't just go to a fucking movie with a
<v Speaker 2>date or a group of friends where everybody has a
<v Speaker 2>different taste and everybody finds something they.
<v Speaker 3>Like my wife likes this.
<v Speaker 2>MOVIE i could not get her to watch a fucking
<v Speaker 2>thing with knights in it IF i paid.
<v Speaker 3>Her and.
<v Speaker 2>Because this movie just fits in that exact pocket that
<v Speaker 2>you could take a date to it and they'd be
<v Speaker 2>happy who that date, was no matter who you, were
<v Speaker 2>because there's, fun there's beautiful, people there's beautiful, colors there's dope,
<v Speaker 2>music like there's an easy. Story it just takes you.
<v Speaker 2>Away AND i feel like that's a degree of self.
<v Speaker 2>CARE i don't care what creates that for. You But,
<v Speaker 2>hannah you said, it like find the. Thing it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>matter what it. Is it makes you, laugh makes you,
<v Speaker 2>forget makes you feel like, you makes you. Happy, however
<v Speaker 2>you said that was, Beautiful like it's it's. That this
<v Speaker 2>movie is.
<v Speaker 3>That LIKE i think you know my wife AND i
<v Speaker 3>are a year. APART i, WAS i was.
<v Speaker 2>Sixteen this movie takes me back to a time BEFORE
<v Speaker 2>i realized the world was on fucking. Fire and it's just,
<v Speaker 2>months but, remembering like there's a before and and after
<v Speaker 2>time probably Was september eleventh AND covid for.
<v Speaker 3>MILLENNIALS i can't think of.
<v Speaker 2>Anything maybe The Big, short but like there's a before
<v Speaker 2>and after with like moments of like life changed after,
<v Speaker 2>that this was before all that this and maybe it
<v Speaker 2>was just BECAUSE i was, sixteen but can go back
<v Speaker 2>into time and like disappear into, this and my wife
<v Speaker 2>can do the same, thing like she goes back to
<v Speaker 2>the time when, like hey He's, ledger.
<v Speaker 3>Here's the it guy of the. Time He ledgers hout of.
<v Speaker 3>SHIT i get, it, OKAY i loved.
<v Speaker 1>HIM i loved him so.
<v Speaker 2>Much and then you, know like you See Shannon saws
<v Speaker 2>Of mine and go, like what's the. Problem there's no,
<v Speaker 2>Problem she's not getting kicked out of bed free and.
<v Speaker 2>Crackers there's no problem. Here everybody's. Happy there's something you
<v Speaker 2>want to look, at there's SOMETHING i want to look.
<v Speaker 2>At there's, fighting but there's, humor there's, heart there's, connection there's,
<v Speaker 2>romance there's, silliness there's.
<v Speaker 3>Love in all. Forms like this movie is perfect for.
<v Speaker 2>That AND i think finding popcorn movies that just don't
<v Speaker 2>take themselves too fucking serious can create a nice space
<v Speaker 2>to be in where we can just be happy for
<v Speaker 2>two hours and not think about the next fucking crazy
<v Speaker 2>leader of the world who's trying to light shit on.
<v Speaker 1>Fire, well BECAUSE i feel like we kind of did
<v Speaker 1>final thoughts in this proportion of, it and everyone knows
<v Speaker 1>WHAT i feel about, IT i wonder if instead could
<v Speaker 1>we go around and does anyone have any like recommendations
<v Speaker 1>of other popcorn movies that they really like that we
<v Speaker 1>could recommend to people to. Watch because one that popped
<v Speaker 1>in my, head which is the more recent, one Is
<v Speaker 1>The Nice guys With Ryan gosling And Russell, crowe and
<v Speaker 1>that one didn't do very well in, theaters but now
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of having a. RESURGENCE i keep seeing clips
<v Speaker 1>of it. ONLINE i don't know if it's Cause Ryan
<v Speaker 1>gosling is in the zeitgeist more again with Like barbie and,
<v Speaker 1>stuff but that's a movie THAT i think was really
<v Speaker 1>in that mid time where there wasn't anything like, it
<v Speaker 1>and that's a fun you, know shoot him, up Leathal
<v Speaker 1>wepony kind of funny period piece that's just like there
<v Speaker 1>to have a good, Time barb And star go To
<v Speaker 1>visa Del. Mar that is one that is a movie
<v Speaker 1>that is just fucking stupid and funny and silly and
<v Speaker 1>the and it's so fucking stupid and it is but
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, AM i saw. It there's a deal for
<v Speaker 1>it on am on right. Now i'm probably gonna bui
<v Speaker 1>ex it, suck and it was it came up and
<v Speaker 1>like as soon AS i saw it that it was,
<v Speaker 1>on SO i was, like oh my, GOD i love
<v Speaker 1>that fucking movie because that movie is so fun to
<v Speaker 1>just watch and you're just dragged into this time that
<v Speaker 1>we don't really know what the time. Is you don't
<v Speaker 1>really know what what you're walking, into but it is
<v Speaker 1>so much. Fun and so that's a movie THAT i
<v Speaker 1>would recommend to.
<v Speaker 2>People we almost watched that one last, night and almost
<v Speaker 2>we came, close and then like the singing was like
<v Speaker 2>neither of us were like in a spot for like
<v Speaker 2>the singing kind of moments of, it the very Very.
<v Speaker 3>Broadway you have.
<v Speaker 1>To think of it like An Austin powers. Movie TRULY
<v Speaker 1>i get. It we truly you. Do and the singing
<v Speaker 1>isn't as much as it they make it seem like it. Is, Sure,
<v Speaker 1>also that was just that that.
<v Speaker 2>Moment i'm not against you, know LIKE i go To
<v Speaker 2>broadway shows, regularly you, know Like i'm here for. It
<v Speaker 2>my wife is a harder cell on That i'm. Not
<v Speaker 2>but the we ended up deciding On Game, night AND
<v Speaker 2>i don't know if you guys have seen, that BUT
<v Speaker 2>i feel like there's movies like that Like Game. Night
<v Speaker 2>AND i actually Used Horrible bosses in a session where
<v Speaker 2>UH i realized that in.
<v Speaker 3>All of our.
<v Speaker 2>Heads there's a motherfucker that knows the. Truth and sometimes
<v Speaker 2>that motherfucker sounds like Motherfucker. Jones It's Jamie fox telling
<v Speaker 2>you the. Truth it's Motherfucker. Jones but like these movies
<v Speaker 2>like that were you just like walk in and you're just,
<v Speaker 2>like this is some stupid, shit but like you're here
<v Speaker 2>for it to be stupid. SHIT i feel like those
<v Speaker 2>two are great. Examples and The goonies Always The goonies is.
<v Speaker 1>Good Lisa frankenstein is these are. Ones another movie that
<v Speaker 1>didn't do woll in theaters BECAUSE i don't think we
<v Speaker 1>think about movies as just silly. Anymore that's maybe that
<v Speaker 1>came out in like twenty twenty four and Bombed Diablo cody.
<v Speaker 1>Movies so it's got that kind of. Humor but that's
<v Speaker 1>another good one that's just like true silly. Bonkers it's
<v Speaker 1>about a girl in the eighties who you, Know. Frankenstein you,
<v Speaker 1>know it's a rip off Of.
<v Speaker 2>Frankenstein finding that kind of, space like find whatever movie
<v Speaker 2>it is that creates that for. You we're just like
<v Speaker 2>we had talked about, movies we were considering, them and
<v Speaker 2>then me and my buddy talked about. THEM i was, like,
<v Speaker 2>OH i brought up like what is. It what's a
<v Speaker 2>type of movie we've never? Done, like, man we've never
<v Speaker 2>done a straight action, movie like all we should do
<v Speaker 2>The Rock and you two are.
<v Speaker 3>Like is that a dad? MOVIE i was, like, yes,
<v Speaker 3>yeah yes it.
<v Speaker 2>Is and then me and my buddy talked about it
<v Speaker 2>and we are, like, dude how good would it? Feel
<v Speaker 2>just like sit and watch this stupid ass movie Where
<v Speaker 2>Sean connery goes like you're a breshed, losers go home
<v Speaker 2>and whine about their best, winners go home and fuck
<v Speaker 2>the prom, queen And Nick cage turns to him as
<v Speaker 2>this fucking like science learned the f Like carla was
<v Speaker 2>the prom. Queen it's it's fucking. Brilliant it's so. Dumb
<v Speaker 2>it's so. Dumb there's so but those. Movies you just watch,
<v Speaker 2>it like fuck, It we're going on an. Adventure like
<v Speaker 2>in that, Movie Sean connery is Basically James bond who's
<v Speaker 2>been locked up in like a black site prison for
<v Speaker 2>years and they go get him to go rescue prisoners
<v Speaker 2>that a ROGUE Us marine general took at Fucking alcatraz
<v Speaker 2>and locked them.
<v Speaker 3>In it's.
<v Speaker 2>Crazy it's there's you just if you think about it too,
<v Speaker 2>much it falls.
<v Speaker 3>Apart but like that or Con air Or Face, off Like.
<v Speaker 1>National, Treasure Nationally good popcorn movie that's right down the
<v Speaker 1>middle popcorn, movie any of.
<v Speaker 2>Those you watch those and you're, like none of this
<v Speaker 2>makes sense when you think about. It but the ride was,
<v Speaker 2>fun like we were missing that and so many things
<v Speaker 2>like The marvel movies Or Star wars movies or things
<v Speaker 2>that could be fun but have so much momentous pressure
<v Speaker 2>on them to be. More we're missing. That AND i
<v Speaker 2>feel like you just got a good list of some.
<v Speaker 2>Things just go watch and have, fun and that's. It
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing. More that's.
<v Speaker 1>It everybody go to the. Movies, yes, PLEASE i love the. Movies,
<v Speaker 1>well on that, note we'll wrap up, here right because
<v Speaker 1>we all love this. Movie nothing more to say about.
<v Speaker 3>That you have been, Waged.
<v Speaker 1>I've been, measured and you've been found. Wanting oh, Wow
<v Speaker 1>i'm So i'm genuinely shocked THAT i said the right
<v Speaker 1>thing at the right. Time, Yes and on that, note,
<v Speaker 1>yeah we'll wrap it up. Here as. Always you can
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