Is NL Cy Young-runner up Zack Wheeler a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyles Forber and welcome to the Philly Show. Hey, everybody, rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zo Lucky. Brought to you by the File Territory Network. It's Friday morning, November twenty second, twenty twenty four. Gentlemen were doing good. Well, Yeah, we watched terrific. We watched teeririific, move be in, we watched the u nlsy Young vote came out on Wednesday night and it.

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Speaker 2: Was not close.

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Speaker 3: It was not close.

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Speaker 1: I thought Zach Wheeler it would be a little bit closer, but Chris Sale kind of rolled away with it. He he kind of He had twenty second, twenty six, twenty six first place votes. Zach got four and uh, kind of a distant second. I was a little surprised. I mean I didn't I wasn't surprised at Sale one, but I was a little surprised it wasn't closer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I wasn't surprise. He had a lot of traction throughout the season. It seemed like, or throughout the second half, it seemed like he was leading it in the public opinion, even though he miss starts at the end and Zach. You know, buw buy him an innings? Yeah, another tough one for Zach. I mean two second place finishes. I just think sometimes, Yeah, he didn't win second place is still pretty damn good when you look at all the pitchers in Major League Baseball, and to have two second places on your resume, and you know what, he still has a lot of tread on his tire. He's about to start a new three year extension. Go out and win it next year. I too was surprised he only got what four first place votes. I was really surprised he got a fourth place vote. I don't, you know, agree with that. He's either first or second. He should be on every ballot. But you know that said, you know, it's hard to ignore twenty two more innings, which comes down to you know, three more or lengthy starts, three more seven inning starts, which you know kind of even somewhat old school. I mean, if he kind of new school five and change, it's more than that, right, So, but just know the great season and you know, sale, it's hard to argue either way. Either one of them could have won this award and it would have been a worthy choice.

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Speaker 2: I have sort of a soft spot for Chris Sale, just because I know what he what he's about. I was with him in Boston. I love the guy, and I have had a great opportunity to be with Zach Wheeler as well, and when we were with the Mets, and so I have a soft spot for both these guys. Chris Sale had a phenomenal season, you know, winning the triple Crown. That's that's a that's a really really big deal. It just doesn't happen very often. But I totally agree with you, Tad that this vote should have been a lot closer. I mean, I understand why people would choose to triple round winner, but when you look at the totality and you look inside the numbers a little bit more, that to me, that had to weigh a little bit more than I think people allowed it to weigh. And and uh, I got to believe that I would not have been surprised by I'm not surprised by the fact that Chris Sale won, and he probably was deserved of it. But I think that there's also, you know, really really strong arguments for for Zach Wheeler. I mean, Zach was fantastic. He was fantastic again down the stretch when they needed it. He was as durable as anybody in baseball. If he's there's one pitcher that would want on the mound to win a baseball game in today's day and age a starter, he'd be the guy for me. And uh and I think that means something too. So a little disappointed that he didn't have a closer vote. And yes, fourth place vote was a little embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: That was I mean, that's crazy for him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you put Paul Skeins ahead of him. It's just I mean, Paul had a great year. He had happy here. I mean, I just I just feel like, I mean, let's go, guys, come on, have some integrity here, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's why that's why Zach lost in twenty twenty one. I'd have to go back and look, but he had like a fifth place vote somewhere by somebody that really dropped his point total down. That was he. He and Corbyn Burns both had twelve first place votes in twenty twenty one. It was like that. I think it remains the closest vote for Nlcy Young since they went from three pitchers to five pitchers. And one of the reasons why again, I believe is because somebody voted Zach like fourth or fifth that year and like it just totally messed up with his overall points.

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Speaker 2: Well, he totally got screwed out of that one. I mean, there's no question. I mean Cortman Burns had like a whole month less of actual bulk and innings. I mean, I just to the life for the life of me, unless you're Sandy Cofax and putting up like so stupid a set of numbers that that that they couldn't be denied in that In that instance, I thought he totally got screwed. So I'll go to my graves.

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Speaker 1: Saying that z Sex second twenty twenty one had a four fourth place votes and one fifth place vote. If those guys you know what.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a personal thing. I don't know if if people were from New York or what they didn't know.

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Speaker 3: That's why that's where.

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Speaker 2: I think that some of the voting here is questionable. And then and I think it's unfortunate because they're talking about people's livelihoods and and they're like legacy and and and in a lot of ways, I know legacy isn't very important to uh, to certain Prize fighters we've seen, Mike, but mister Tyson. But but it is for a lot of people in most and in this case, you know, it could be the difference for this guy one being a cy Young Award winner. But also, I mean, who knows that's gotta test to be a Hall of Famer with the numbers East bring together. You talked about it before, Tah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know so so Mike Petriel at MLB dot com he he does. You know a lot of the statcast stuff at MB I thought he wrote a great story the other day. It was Wednesday morning. If they haven't seen it, read it, check it out. So Mike Petriel took a look at Zach Wheeler's career and said, you know, he's probably going to finish second for sy Young. But he is probably if you look at his numbers on a Hall of Fame trajectory, and here's what he came up with. And now there's a lot of debate. You know, how much stock do you put in a war, But sixteen of twenty of the seven year war leaders, like a cumulative over seven year stretch, sixteen of the last twenty are in the Hall of Fame or are going in the Hall of Fame, which includes Justin Verlander and Clayton Kershaw. The only four that are not of that of those twenty Roger Clemens, Kurt Shilling, Dave Steve, who to me was one of the criminally underrated pictures of my youth in Johann Santana. Right, so sixteen of the twenty are in or are going in the Hall of Fame. Zach Wheeler right now is the Major League leader in war over these last seven years, thirty three point five war. According to Fangrafts. That's ahead of Garrett Cole, who's second, Aaron Nola, who's third, Max Scherzer, who's fourth, Jason Jacob de Gram who's fifth. So again, war, you know, some people don't like it, but it does, generally speaking capture the excellence of a player over time. Who are some of the other sixteen players on that list besides Verlander, Kershaw, Bob Gibson, Tom seaver Steve, Carlton, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Sandy Kofax, and now Zach Wheeler is in. This has one of those stretches of his career. So I thought that was really interesting because he really broke it down nicely. And here's the other thing too. You know, we're gonna have to start judging pitchers differently now than how we viewed him fifteen to twenty years ago. There's probably not gonna be a lot of three hundred winners coming down the pike because of the way the game is about none. You might have any, probably none, but you know, and this is what Mike I thought made a great point here is you know, today the guys don't pitch deep. You know, they're not gonna win three hundred games. You know, how do you compare them? Well, he's gonna because he's probably gonna finish his career with half as many innings as Bob Gibson, half as many wins as Bob Gibson. But when Bob Gibson finished his career, where people going like, ah, he didn't have as many innings as Walter Johnson, he didn't have as many wins, as half as many wins as Walter Johnson. Walter Johnson had his half about half as many innings as Cy Young. And you know, two hundred wins or one hundred and fifty wins less than Cy Young. So over time you're gonna have to look at these guys differently. And Mike's point is we're watching a Hall of Fame pitcher in Zach Wheeler, and I I agree.

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Speaker 4: He sold me on it.

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Speaker 3: He sold me on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 4: How close?

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Speaker 3: What does he need? Two more good years?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you know, well that's a good point. Yeah, how many more good years is he?

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Speaker 3: How close is he right now in your mind? And what does he need? Because I mean, if he's if he stays healthy throughout this three year extension, which he's indicated only wants to pitch three more years, that you know, he's he's on a team that should go to the postseason. He should have a chance to enhance his postseason resume, which is already out. Yeah, I think he's got a chance. He's got to have a couple more good years here, continue this run of good health that he's on. But he's the guy that's just you know, as he once he got healthy from the elbow, he moved on from the Mets. He's really built a great relationship with the Phillies pitching coaching staff, led by Caleb Coffin. He's bonded well with him. It's been a really good relationship. I mean, he's mentioned how much he's grown under under Coffins tutelage. I mean, he stays healthy and the way he's just getting better with age. He's so smart. He knows his body, he knows how to pitch, and yet he's got electric stuff in command. He's you know, he's Ruben. I apologize. He's kind of a total package. If he continues it, I think we could see him end up in Cooperstown and that certainly would you know, solve the wounds of finishing second to Burns and second to Sail and he might get that first place finished here in the next year or two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, listen, I'm all about length and consistency, and I think, Jim. The thing that's really impressed me. What I'm proud most of what's happened with Zach is that from the time after that on that second half of the twenty eighteen season, I talk about it a lot. I thought he was outstanding. I thought he just learned how to be a great major league pitcher. And he sort of continued from then on and it's been outstanding obviously with the Philadelphia Phillies, but he became a pitcher. He was a thrower and with great stuff, and he became the picture with great stuff and and to watch him develop and mature over time, it's been a real joy for me. And again I have a soft spot form. I hope he uh, I hope he has three more fantastic years and no quid he stays healthy because the Philly fans, you know, don't take it for granted. Man, when you get this kind of pitching. I felt like the same thing when Doc was on the mound every time for at least a couple of years there where he was just uh, it was pure goal until and so you know, he's a he's a guy that you should certainly cover it when you when you go ahead and watch him.

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Speaker 3: One one of the things that really impresses me about is is just desire to keep getting better, to keep adding to his toolbox and and you know, add a new trick to his uh, to his repertoire. You know, one year it was the it was a sweeper, and then it was the the split right, and they just enhance everything he's got. It makes it and in both of those pitches, you know, make that devastating you know, fastball, whether he's thinking it or riding it up upstairs, make make that pitch better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, jim you say that because I was when he when I saw the numbers last night, and he's a loss. I said, I wonder what he's going to say this spring, you know, what's his focus going to be? Because one thing I appreciate, and I've said this before to you guys, is I love the fact that he's not shy of saying like I want to win a cy Young or I want to work on this, or this is my goal this sprint this season. So I wonder if he's going to come to spring training and saying, all right, I need to be a little bit better. He absolutely destroyed right handed hitters all season long. Than the numbers were insane, like they just could not hit him. You know, less successful, I guess, than against lefties. So is he going to try to do something to be more successful against lefties to to kind of push him over the top. But you know, Jimmy also made another good point like how many more good years does he need to kind of put him in that Hall of Fame conversation, because yeah, he's basically said this is it this is my contract, and I plan on kind of walking away. I don't see myself pitching beyond it. But but he can put himself in the mix. You know, Sandy Kofax had a short run of just awesome baseball dominance and and he could be in there. I feel like, when it's all said and done, if Zach stay's healthy and he stays effective, he might be in that Kurt Schilling range of like a lot of people are going to go this guy, no doubt, Hall of Famer, look at his postseason success, dominant postseason pitcher. Uh. And then some guys go, well, you know, he doesn't have the wins. You know, he doesn't have the length of the career necessarily. So yeah, I think it's going to be close. But I thought it was a great article. Again, if you haven't read it, go check out Mike PETREL's story on Zach.

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Speaker 3: If indeed he gets in, somewhere down the road, he will have the shortest speech in the history.

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Speaker 2: Of the Hall. You're right, we'll thank some people. Shut it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, I am out.

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Speaker 2: Of here, I am right here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, My gosh, that's so funny. Tuesday, the Phillies put three pitchers. Three pitching prospects on the forty man roster, which protects them from the Rule five. We kind of guess two of them. We knew they were kind of obvious. It's not like we had to really dig too deep into Mick Abel Moisty s chas Seig made it. And then Jane Cabrera, who is the Paul Owens Award winner I think in twenty twenty one, he also made it and just tells you that the Phillies are really trying to protect that starting pitching depth, right.

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Speaker 3: This need for it out there, yeah, scoop it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: In this day and age, I mean, you can sort of hide people with thirteen guys on the roster. Dude, it's so easy to hide. I mean, Pat Gillick would have a field day right now. The Rule five draft would be drafted guys left and right, because you can, really, you really can. I mean it's a great way. It really is a great way to very economically get a major league player, especially if you're building or rebuilding, and even for a team that's a really good team that can sort of hide a guy in at thirteen spot. Just want a blowout game, just toss him in there and let him pitch Pat till some time in September. You know, it's it's the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: Pat Gillick in the Rule five draft Man, he steals George Bell from the Phillies.

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Speaker 2: My dad, Dad, Kelly, will.

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Speaker 3: You up shore? Kelly Gruber? George Bell, and I think there was one other that he was a master at that Rule five man.

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Speaker 2: Not afraid, not afraid?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, George Bell. I couldn't have he, uh so Todd. George Bell was in Redding and he was hurt all like all year and didn't, if I remember it, didn't play much. And and then he like started working out down the Dominican and Gillick had a scout sneak in to watch him like that, sneaky right after the Phillies didn't protect him because he had been hurt and they grabbed him.

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Speaker 2: My dad was pissed.

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Speaker 3: I was right.

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Speaker 2: I was a very important player for him.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was your dad's guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's your dad mad? Oh was he mad? I think my dad got so mad and it got him fired for a minute. Paul Owens and he started gave him a few choice words emotional like his son so.

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Speaker 1: Did your dad did Did those those feelings of frustration bubble up later when he was named al MVP with the Blue.

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Speaker 2: Jays, I think it was like, sure it did.

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Speaker 1: George Bell was a stud back in the eighties. Man, Oh my gosh, got he crushed it. Yeah, but I mean, you know, no surprise that we you know, we had pressed in maddingly on late last month. If you guys haven't checked out that episode. He talked about Mick abels struggles last year, but why they remained high on him. He talked about Moisty's Chasse, the guy that got as part of the Gregorrisoto trade, and while they're so high on him. So those two guys are obvious and Gee Cabrera again, you know guys some talent who showed a lot of talent as a young kid in the in the Dominican and they and Paul Owen's pitcher of the Year a couple of years ago, and so got to protect those guys. You know they've Dave Dombrowski said it in the post mortem in October, the number five starter really killed us the last half of the season. That's a big reason why they you know, they were five hundred team the second half, they couldn't find a good number five starter, so they they're keeping three guys that they think that can help them down the road and maybe as early as next season.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I know there's a lot of talk about the Juan Sotos of the world, but the reality of it is pitching depth, starting pitching depth, back end of the bullpen. I mean, all these things are still as important as having extra bats. I mean, they already have a pretty good offensive team, man, but that starting pitching depth is still going to be something that they're going to focus on. I know, things you're moving slowly, but I expect them to move slowly when as people, you know, decide what's going to happen with Sasaki over there, and what's gonna happen with Juan Soto.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, Sasaki Apparently he is gonna post, which is not such a surprise, but he's gonna post later than earlier. So that twenty twenty five international signing bonus or that international bonus pool is going to be in play, which means the Phillies, as we talked about in a previous episode, right now in that in their current pool, they have like forty two grand left, but he's gonna he's gonna post later, which is gonna be which means the Phillies are gonna have six point two six one million in their upcoming pool, so they at least have the money to take a shot at him. They're gonna take a shot at them. I don't think they're gonna get them, but but that's that's something worth noting as we talk about starting pitching and starting pitching depth, so something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: And now it sounds like, and we've talked about this a million times, the Phillies will do their due diligence on Sodo, take the shot, see what happens. Apparently they're gonna have a chat with him and team Boris. I think it's something you have to do when your market like Philadelphia, when played for big talent like that before, and when you have such a historic player out there, see what it's gonna take, you know, and see if you can get creative and and and do something. And if you look you in the audi and says Philadelphia is the only place I want to be, you try to make it happen. I still stick by what we said earlier it's a major long shot. We don't see it happening. But you know you're the Philadelphia Phillies, big market team. Uh yeah, you know they're acting like the Philadelphia Phillies. That's what they should do, right.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Tim Tibo was actually a really super super human being. He really is a great, great, great guy. And you know, the aspirations of being a major leaguer. I just didn't think he was talent enough to be able to do that. Great athlete but wasn't a major Leaguernkler exactly.

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Speaker 1: I still think you guys are in cahoots, but you know, But so then eight pm Friday, eight pm Friday night tonight is the non tender deadline. So I've canceled my plans.

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Speaker 2: I love I love these.

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Speaker 1: Eight pm I love these a pm deadlines on a Friday night. So basically, for people that don't know.

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Speaker 2: You're really boring. I mean, Ryan really must.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I told her today, I said, I said, just so you know, I'll be writing on Friday. Edge Guys like why, I said, Well, there is this thing called the non tender deadline. They might not tender. Oh that's great, have fun with that. So the non tender downy for the people that know, any unsigned player, salary arbitration player, they have to be tendor to contract. If they're not tendered to contract, they become a free agent. And Dave Dombrowski has dropped a lot of hints that they they're not real sure on one guy in particular, and that is Austin Hayes. He's projected I think to make around six point five seven million dollars next season. We would we be surprised if Austin Hayes is tendered a contract. I would be surprised. Based off of Dave's comments to this point.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be trending toward a non tender. We'll find out, but you know, it certainly would be understandable. I think we liked the trade at the time, but yeah, he didn't show a lot for you know, he was banged up a little bit, that he was ill. But it just seems like they might go a different direction in left field. I think they need a serious upgrade there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he got an incomplete I would give him a grade of an eye because the poor guy just got hurt. He didn't get a chance to get in rhythm. He wasn't playing all that much when he was in Baltimore, and they were hoping that more playing time would help him get into a rhythm and be the player that he sort of can be. Like. I like the acquisition at first, and then you know, he got ill, got hurt. I mean seriously, I like seriously like hospital bill, and and it was dangerous for him, and you know, obviously he could not get back and be healthy. But I got to believe that I'm going to sort of look to revamp what's going on left field in the centerfield, and I don't know that he's going to be part of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he didn't play in game for the NLDS despite Kintana being on the mountain. That was kind of why he was rought here, is to crush left handed pitching because he had done it with the Orioles. So you know, his bat speeded slowed at that point. He really didn't look like himself. So the other guys, other arbitration eligible guys are Alec Bohm, Brandon Marsh, Jose Ruiz, ed Mundo Sosa, Bryce and Scott, Garrett Stubbs and Ranger Swarz. I guess maybe another guy in there who could potentially be non tender to be Garrett Stubbs. But I'm sure there's is there a way to maybe keep him and not pay him as much as you want. They could, they could talk about that just to keep him in the system if they wanted to do that. They need the catching depth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely need to catching depth. I mean, he's been a contributor here, but they have an issue with march On being out of options next year and Stubbs. Stubbs has options, So boy, you need depth to catch her. And if you could, you know, keep him in the system, that's really gonna be a good thing. I think they can figure they can do a split contract, right Rubin.

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Speaker 2: They can do anything want as a non tender. I was non tender to one year after the nineteen ninety six season. I had actually really good year, and they threatened a non tender. I ended up taking a deal that was a split contract. I ended up actually taking a minor league deal. I don't think that Garrett steps will do that. I think he's gonna end up being a major league contract of some sort of. They do do a pretender deal, but you know, listen, you can never have enough catching, just like you can never have enough starting pitching, and so they're going to need some of that debt. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But oh, you know what I'm going to think about this is speaking of this.

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Speaker 1: I'm literally right now going through my basement and if any I have boxes of old common baseball cards and I am trying to clear them out. They're literally worth nothing. But if you want to do something like I do in the backyard, but just glues some baseball cards on the top of the wall. Shoot me a note on Twitter or Facebook or wherever, and maybe we can. I can give them to you before I pitch him in the trash. So, uh, if anybody's interesting, recycle let me know. Yeah, recycle him exactly right, exactly right. So we'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Got to stay pc exactly exactly, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 2: Guys, It's night Jim.

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