Charlie Rocket: The Man Who Turned His Life Into a Dream Machine

[SPEAKER_03]: Today, on Misunderstood with Rachel, you could tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I managed really big rappers, two chains.
[SPEAKER_02]: I built one of the biggest record on studios with my business partners, and we built one of the most innovative management companies in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're making money in being a successful manager wasn't my dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been 300 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: My health was really bad, and it had been for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a brain tumor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I walked away from the music industry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll write down in my notebook every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be in a commercial with the bond James and Serena Williams.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm writing my dreams down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we made a family Nike commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three days later, Nike calls me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, Charlie, we are going to change the direction of our company because of this film.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, in this time, when all my dreams came true, my heart said, go help kids with cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sold three of my four houses, and started giving all my money away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And started going across the country, and we're making dreams come true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how did you pick the kids that you were helping?
[SPEAKER_02]: The ones that needed a miracle.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this little girl named Laila.
[SPEAKER_02]: She loved pigs and she made little pig cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw 200,000 cookies in 48 hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: She made $500,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was able to afford her treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe somebody's dream is the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the best thing that happened to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a winning streak.
[SPEAKER_03]: But every once in a while someone walks into my studio and completely changes the energy of the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not because they're loud, not because they're trying, but because they embody something the rest of us spend our whole lives searching for.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it felt like when Charlie Rockets had a cross for me in my Boca studio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Charlie is one of those rare humans who doesn't just talk about dreams, he lives them, he protects them, and he creates them for other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the force behind the dream machine foundation, the man who literally travels the country in a dream wagon, making wishes come true for kids and families who need hope the most.
[SPEAKER_03]: He shows up in communities where nobody else is showing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: He gives people moments they never thought were possible and he does it because he believes in one thing above all else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dreams are medicine.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what makes Charlie extraordinary isn't just what he does for others.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the story that got him there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before he was known as Charlie Rocket, he was a successful music manager who was overweight, sick, and burnt out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doctors told him the path he was on would kill him, but instead of accepting that, he made a decision, a dream that he wanted to be an athlete, not someday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not when it made sense, not when people agreed it was realistic, he declared it when it sounded absolutely insane and then he did the impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: He transformed his life, he became the athlete he said he would be, and that crazy dream took him all the way to starring in a Nike commercial with all the biggest athletes in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing about Charlie, he doesn't chase logic, he chases magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in this episode, he breaks down exactly how he does it.
[SPEAKER_03]: how he dreams, how he manifests, how he stays committed, how he turns visions into reality, and how he helps other people do the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you've ever felt stuck, if your goals feel too big, if life beat you down and you forgot you're allowed to want more, this conversation is going to hit you right in the heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Charlie gives real tools and real mindset shifts that make you feel like anything is possible again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when Charlie talks, he's not motivating you, he's
[SPEAKER_03]: activate in you, meeting him in person and feeling that presence that purpose reminded me why I do this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reminded me how powerful one person's dream can be, not just for themselves, but for the world around them.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the most uplifting, inspiring episodes I've done, and I know you're going to love it as much as I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's my conversation with the incredible, unstoppable, Charlie Rocket.
[SPEAKER_03]: Charlie, thank you so much for joining me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is such an honor to meet you in person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I found out about you, I social media.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember, like a year and a half ago, seeing some stuff you did with your dream team, dream machine, I'm going from place to place, making wishes come true for people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I found like it was an interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: My relationship with social media was not one where I would start to tear up or cry.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when I saw those videos, it really hit me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a huge fan of the underdog.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a huge fan of like changing people's lives that feel like they're in a place of helplessness or they don't see an upside to where they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kids with cancer, kids that really are suffering.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even adults too, they just are having a really
[SPEAKER_03]: shitty life at this point, you know, and just need someone to believe in them because usually they're just passed over and I feel like That's where I first heard of you, and that's when I was like, I like this guy and I love what he's doing So for people, you know, that scroll mindlessly on TikTok, Instagram, whatever Those are the kind of messages that I think really stand out and are good reasons for people to know what other people in the world are doing So I just wanted to start with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I want to know because you have done so many things.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have so many names, you've been featured in so many things.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want to start with telling people who you are not as the guy that we know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where did you come from?
[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of family did you come into?
[SPEAKER_03]: How did you get into wanting to make a difference?
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I'm a dreamer.
[SPEAKER_02]: somebody asked me earlier before the park.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, like, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't really know how to explain it because I've really much would do anything I dream of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not ever in a box like I was in a music business.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I won Grammys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I wanted to be an athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I became an Nike athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: And won Emmys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I want to be like a philanthropist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I built one of the most popular non-profits in the history of the internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to have a coconut water company and I want to do this and I want to do that and I just do everything I dream of.
[SPEAKER_02]: But who am I?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a guy who tries really hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't specifically have a talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't come from a rich family.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I have a superpower, it's my delusional optimism.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of like my little secret sauce of how I achieve a dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I fall, I fail, I get fired, I struggle, I've had a brain tumor, I've been 300 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in no way, this guy who just, like, accomplishes stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do accomplish, but I, like, usually, like, go through a very human experience first.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have a gift of,
[SPEAKER_02]: overcoming problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so I want to unpack all of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But just so you know, like when you were a kid, did you struggle a lot?
[SPEAKER_03]: Were you a happy kid?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sad kid, what kind of family did you grow up in?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I grew up in a family of vacuum cleaner salespeople.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my parents are really inspirational to me because they never made more than $40,000 a year, combined.
[SPEAKER_02]: But both of my parents became millionaires.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, a couple things, save and money for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never spent it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They invested, and they would buy houses for $20,000, $30,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would take every penny they made, and we wouldn't even like turn the heat on in the winter time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I grew up in Atlanta, and it gets cold.
[SPEAKER_03]: They really saved.
[SPEAKER_02]: They saved and they invested, and just one of the properties they bought when they got divorced when I was 18.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the properties was 1.2 million, another property was 400,000, another property was 300,000, and it's like I got to learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: how to, to, to almost like being alchemists, like we don't have much, but we can turn it into an empire and I've applied that in every business that I've started because I don't use money when I start my businesses even though I'm successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always go this like very grassroots homemade method anytime I do anything because I saw my parents do it and I saw what's possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I sold vacuum cleaners and one is the best vacuum cleaner by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say back then it was called Electrolux.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then use a vacuum cleaner.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is vacuum cleaner?
[SPEAKER_02]: Electrolux.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very expensive vacuum cleaner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I started seeing my friends at school, make music in my eyes lit up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I want to be a part of this hip-hop thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was so cool, hip-hop, like I asked my mom if I could put a studio in my bedroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't know what she was getting into, but every day after school there would be like 50 kids at the house recording songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I built a website.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's going to be like this big like hip hop website and the next thing you know I get a phone call to go on tour with soldier boy and I'm his cameraman going across the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up getting fired.
[SPEAKER_03]: What wait slow down How did you get that call how old were you I was 18?
[SPEAKER_03]: And you, okay, were you planning on going to college?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, my mom made me go to college because if I didn't, I would have had to pay rent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom was like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't go to school, you got to pay rent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, all right, I go to school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so before you go to college, you get a call from Soldier Boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm in college.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're in college.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in college, and I actually, my first year, I lost the scholarship that the state provides because I wasn't, I wasn't, I thought, I'm supposed to be a businessman, why am I a school?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you go to classes and you lost the scholarship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I needed a miracle, because I'm about to have to pay for school now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the miracle, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a phone call from inner scope records.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but how did they find you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, my website, so the soldier boy got signed, and he wanted a cameraman to do his World Tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he liked me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this media outlet, it was really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a cameraman, I had a media outlet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, that's who I want to do on my coverage.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, there is importance to sort of putting something really iconic together in terms of like a website or a grounding spot so people can find you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, people are always saying, like, where's the best place to start a brand?
[SPEAKER_03]: Your website seemed to help you, it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then how were you making these relationships?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you seem like you're definitely become a relationship guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have come across some of the most influential people, and they choose you for campaigns or to donate money too.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about relationships?
[SPEAKER_02]: Relationships for me like I'm a slow dancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like a network or I don't go to networking events I've always been into social ever since I was a kid So they go into a high school party was like scary for me even like going to like the football game
[SPEAKER_02]: was scary for me because it wasn't my environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I naturally just have like an anxiety.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I needed a way to interact with the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I decided I'm gonna build a business because if I build a business that solves a problem, and people can come into my world because I'm naturally good at interacting, but I only kind of like my environment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're you're the expert.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like to build a business so I could interact with people on high school, I built businesses.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let me ask you a question, because people listening, we'll say, OK, well, I can figure out what I'm good at, but the problem is your parents tell you, or society tells you you've got to finish high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you've got to go to college, and you've got to study something, and then you've got to work and have some experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in your experience, it sounded like you were OK with just creating your own credibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you do that without getting the education and the life experience?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you were young when you started working and doing this kind of job at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's practice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you can practice at school and become smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: You practice for life four years and you get smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go practice in business and you get smart, same difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, most businesses are eat what you kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you get really good at hunting, you'll be able to eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, in my life, I never really gave people an option to have an opinion if I had a business idea because of how I speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most people, they get frustrated with people having opinions because of how they articulated it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I learned very early on that people are going to treat you exactly how you treat the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, when I managed really big rappers.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I went to them with an idea and I was like I have an idea like we're going to like try to go to the different radio stations and like talk to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be like I'm not doing it because I sounded so insecure or like it was an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sounded like I had an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I present to my artist, listen, this is what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to hit 30 radio stations.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how many songs, this is how many spots we're going to rise on the charts.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how much money you're going to make, and then the record deal will be about a million dollars because we hit these radio stations.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't give them a chance to have an opinion because they're like, oh, he has it figured out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I learned this very early on, like with my parents and with my friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I have a dream, I'm going to speak it as if, like, I got this thing figured out.
[SPEAKER_02]: This thing's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might not know anything I'm doing, but I'm going to say it a certain way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be like, this is what I'm going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you an example.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the boy fired me from being this camera man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty bad day in my life, but I'm on the Marta bus going back to my mom's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any money and I tell my mom I think I'm fired and she said she said I'm so sorry I said no like this is the best thing that happened to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She said what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said my like this is a winning streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: She said what do you mean a winning streak?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said my I was the lowest paid person on the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm about to be the highest paid person on the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: The manager's the highest paid person on the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be the best manager in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, what do you know about managing artists?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, listen, I've got this camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got this website.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know how to make my artist famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the best manager in the world would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a manager's job to take him from nothing to turn him into something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to go to every radio station.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to meet all the connects.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got to be in every room.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be the best manager in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think she had an opinion?
[SPEAKER_02]: I backed it up, I spoke it, and she said, you know what, I believe in you, and my mom is always believed in me, but it's because I didn't say I have an idea of like, I'm going to try to be like, I'm like brainwashing myself first, and it's so important to brainwash ourselves and brainwashing sounds so bad, but like if your hands are dirty, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: And most of the times our brains are pretty dirty with negative thoughts, doubts, fear, that's our brains job.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I've gotten really good at brainwashing myself and actually thinking each thing I want to do is going to be easy instead of hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's usually a heart that says like, oh, I want something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then our brains job is to be like, okay, what's everything that's going to go wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we usually get paralysed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or how many steps does it take?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they get, you know, we are to doubt about it or like, oh, that's too much work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Being go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the opposite.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brainwash myself, get rid of all the negative stuff, and I get my brain thinking, okay, this is going to be easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our confirm it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a cameraman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been in every radio station.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know how to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just brainwash myself, and that's what gets me to show up, and that's what gives me to actually speak confidently.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the more I speak it,
[SPEAKER_02]: the more I believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you kind of like tell a lie enough times you kind of start believing your lie, but this is a really good lie to tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have no proof if I'm going to be the bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like in the most positive way ever, like I'm going to be the best in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you were managing some of the biggest names in hip hop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what did success look like?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, besides all of a sudden money was coming in, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, did you move out of your arms, pal?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the first thing you did?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what was your life like?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because then I know you took a turn and got out of that life.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just tell us a little bit about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Success for me was acting like my parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every dollar I made about a house and then I bought another house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a decent car, not like the Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a nice Cadillac CTS.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had my image right, but I really liked investing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bought stocks, I bought houses, and... Did you know anything about real estate?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, through my parents.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just like by-house, you bring it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's gonna go up and by- No, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, so you knew that you could make some income.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So success for me was more about how great of a manager could I be, not exactly the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I built one of the biggest record in studios with my business partners and we built one of the most innovative management companies in the world where we handled the merch for artists in the merch.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would have campaigns with my artists would do $2 million in sales in three weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we would route tours and we would shoot their music videos and we would build their websites and we had, I mean, we built a world class organization.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, that's what success looked like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just making more money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to just do something nobody else did at that level of quality.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next question, do you think it's because you had outstanding artists that you did so well?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or do you think it's just the business behind it?
[SPEAKER_03]: That you really made them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be, it has to be both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a very unique skill set at being able to see around the corner of what's next.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a gift I've always had.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know how to teach somebody that, but I think the beautiful thing with me is I don't look at somebody as who they are today.
[SPEAKER_03]: You look at them at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only see their dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might be struggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might be staying at their mom's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might not have a path to pissing, but I don't see that version of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that allows me to always keep my vision clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't judge somebody where they're out today.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm able to find good talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we put a good business behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we work our butts off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we were very unique with how we operated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when I first got into the music business, I had no money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it takes a lot of money to break artists.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was this one day in particular, where my life changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took my artists to their show, and there were only four people there, and my heart was broken.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I never want to feel this feeling again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because for only four people to show up, I feel like I'm doing a terrible job.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody cares about my artists enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were good enough to have a show, but it was empty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I made a decision that day to run a play.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I don't have money, but I need my artist to be famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I did at the time is my space.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I did was I took the DJ for that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that DJ is in Cobb County, Georgia.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, oh, so all his like 10,000 followers on my space are from a neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I messaged each and every person that followed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I added him as a friend, and I left a comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would do this for six to eight hours a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I could afford to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was free, it just requires my time.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I can boil a pot of water, it's very hard to boil like, but like this DJ and all the people on the neighbor that follow him, they need to be at my show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I need them all to know my artists exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're making personal connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started getting carpal tunnel syndrome, but something happened, where it started spreading and then we would get hundreds and then thousands of friend requests a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I would do for each and every friend request.
[SPEAKER_02]: Added me as a friend, my group as a friend, I'd hit follow, I'd go to their page, leave a comment, and I would do that all day, every day, and my group got to be the number one unsigned group on the my space unsigned top charts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I took that play.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we started making money doing shows, we invested in CDs and I'll stand outside the clubs every night and pass out CDs.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a play I can run.
[SPEAKER_02]: every day and when we had the number two song in the country I'm still outside passing out CDs and the DJ walks out of the club at four in the morning the last person to walk out he said Charlie you have the number two song in the country you're the manager why are you still passing out CDs
[SPEAKER_02]: said, this is my secret to success.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would I ever change it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: So at some point, you change at you get out of this career.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you tell us why and what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was at my artist's house, two chains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those were Grammy Week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I go down, I'm in this closet, I go down to pick up a pair of socks, and I passed out, and... Had you been feeling sick?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my health was really bad and it had been for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a binge eater.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come to find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a brain tumor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And uh, uh, what happened in that moment?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you get taken to the hospital?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next four days the room is spending.
[SPEAKER_02]: The world was spending.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't make the world stop spending.
[SPEAKER_02]: I called my mom, I didn't tell her what was going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just told her, come out to California and visit me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just scared.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wanted to be near my mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I made a decision that business and money and music, all of it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would have these dreams that night, literally, in my sleep that I like died.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my thought in my dream was that I never got to experience my actual real dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: I died before I got to experience my dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: Making money and being a successful manager wasn't my dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be an athlete, but I was always fat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I obviously didn't chase that dream because I'm short.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fat, I'm slow, I'm white and I'm not going to be a professional athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: You usually chase a dream because you can make money doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But how can I make money being an athlete?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I did the craziest thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who's running a 15 million dollar or a $15 million dollar year business would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gave my shares to my business partners and I told them, I'm going to go chase my dream of being an athlete.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now why, first of all, while you were in the music business, didn't you feel like that was succeeding and wasn't that a dream or in the back of your mind where you always like, I want something else?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or was it this epiphany you had when you finally got sick?
[SPEAKER_02]: When you can't get rid of your dream, it never goes away.
[SPEAKER_03]: So as a kid, you always wanted to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, all that I wanted to be, I absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me about a little bit about your brain tumor, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, how, I know you've reversed this brain tumor.
[SPEAKER_03]: How?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are plenty of people out there that are not doing well health-wise, and they will want some insight from you as to how you make that happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the first time I was diagnosed with the brain tumor, I was actually in high school and medication was able to just knock it out and it was under control for 11 years until I was 28.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so was it like stage one?
[SPEAKER_03]: How does that work?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it was benign, but it was very invasive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, it was wrapped around my eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wrapped around the artery that goes into my brain and it was there for so long that it started corrode in the top of my spine and is inoperatable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I asked my doctor, said, would there happen to be any chance that it's how I eat that could be causing it like an imbalance in my body?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, no son, this just is a certain percentage of people get.
[SPEAKER_02]: these brain tumors and this medication will work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said it the medication is not working.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep going back and back and back and they keep upping my dose to try to get the brain tumor to shrink and then it started affecting my heart valves because I'm at such a high dose and so I'm getting frustrated and like I have a brain tumor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the medications affect my heart and you want me to be on this for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: is this because I'm so unhealthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I decided to take things in my own hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at this point, you, is this one you were 300 pounds?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I would binge eat like 15,000 calories in a night.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would like only eat like my choice of like, like it was an addiction.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would eat like gas station like pastries, like Mrs. Field Cookies or ice cream sandwiches.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would eat like 30 or 40 different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: My stomach wouldn't get full.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just, it was like ravenous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like I couldn't get full.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would almost eat so much to where I would want to make myself sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: to not want to do it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a real, like, where do you think that's stemmed from, though, without part of your anxieties that you didn't like to be in groups of people with just an addiction?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was an addiction.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stemmed from dieting ever since I was eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So dieting for me being uneducated was I need to eat less and eating less for me was like breathing less.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like if I were to hold my breath for long enough when I'm done,
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to catch my breath, and so I would starve myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I would be so hungry and ravenous, but the problem was business was like triggering.
[SPEAKER_02]: So every part of business led me to my addiction.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was stressed, it leads me to food.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm successful, celebrating, it leads to food.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I'm having just business meetings, that's always with food.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not cooking at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to eat less, but then my business is triggering things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the stress of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just crack, and I'm like, I'm going to start again tomorrow of that vicious cycle, my whole life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was always under stress, and stress for me led to food.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I walked away from the music industry, I moved to California, I went playing bass, I'm not playing bass anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just started eating real food, I got all the stress out of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: How hard was that to stop eating the cookies and the... Wasn't hard?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I had a very good wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well so and at that point where they like, okay, maybe getting the weight down will help you with your health in general with the brain tumor or was it just like I need to get this weight off of me everything I needed I needed to heal every part of my body and did you miss being in the music business or you are over that at this point I still miss being in music business because I'm really talented at what I did do you think you'll ever go back into something like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I love what I do too much, now helping kids, but yeah, it's hard for me to sit on the sideline and watch the hip-hop business struggle the way it's struggling when I know exactly what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of like, I guess, Michael Jordan wants to go play basketball, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious if you were back in it though, what do you think has gone wrong and what do you think you would do to fix it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well this is great question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you mind if I nerd out on the music side so my philosophy with why hip-hop has lost this way is because hip-hop has lost its experimentation
[SPEAKER_02]: Mixed tapes used to be a thing, artists will put out mixed tapes, and they would be able to experiment rapidly, with new sounds, new producers, new features.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now that everything streams through Spotify,
[SPEAKER_02]: Apple music now everything runs through the record label and if our artists puts out a project and it doesn't do well First week sales their careers over so it's kind of like being a gladiator like imagine like two basketball teams And like they're playing each other and if a team loses like a firing squad comes in kills That's how it's like putting out an album today if you sell 8,000 copies your careers over right when that first week sales number comes out And it doesn't do well you're done
[SPEAKER_02]: record label shelf in you and the fans they're like oh he fell off.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back in the day we used to put out mix tapes and we put out lots of mixes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We put out four or five six mix tapes a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would drop 60 to 100 songs a year and that gave us a feedback loop and it allowed us to build a fan base and it allowed us to test new sounds and hip hop lost that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no mix tapes anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything runs through record labels and with
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it very hard for hip hop to find new sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So hip hop lost its way back in 2018, 70% of top 100 songs who are hip hop records, 70.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest genre that ever existed before then was obviously pop music.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their market share was 51%.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then hip hop came in and it's 70% market share.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the biggest genre that ever existed in history in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would I would come in the game and I would I would bring mixed dates back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would get things away from Spotify.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would actually have a mixed-up streaming platform and I would team up with the record labels and agree to let their artists go experiment without suing them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let them put out free music.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fans want to listen to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I open a Spotify app.
[SPEAKER_02]: I open another app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if they're putting a futures put in out a mixed-up, I'm going to go wherever he releases it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I would do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's your favorite artist right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: I, they're not new, it's a group, it's like a folk group called like the Strumbellus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the Strumbellus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I spend like all, like my favorite hip-hop artists as young Dough was one of my artists.
[SPEAKER_02]: He passed away, rest in peace, young Dough.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I listen to a whole, I love no alcohol.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love like Indy folk, I love hip-hop, like trap hip-hop.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I kind of spend a wide range.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, same topic would not in hip-hop.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts on why Taylor Swift has become the biggest?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pop star, country star, I don't know what she's considered now.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that she did so well on the Aeros tour like did that stand out to you as well?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she's doing something different than everybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a combination one she made better music so like we can't ignore that like I think most all people want to credit her as a marketing genius I mean you can do all the marketing all you want like if the music's not good Market all you want yeah, so I don't I don't even emphasize the marketing side of Taylor Swift they have made every
[SPEAKER_02]: move correctly up until I didn't like this last album.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like the last two albums.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's I think thoughts about like how some artists lose touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: We we signed up for something but a lot of artists do feel like it's their life.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to
[SPEAKER_02]: do what I like, but I believe artists need to provide a good service, so it's not what you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of the opposite of how artists think I believe that you need to understand that like if we want fairytale.
[SPEAKER_02]: for me, you got to give us fairy tales.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what we want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Serve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, obviously, her fans love her, but I think why she's giving a real life fairy tale, now that she's with Travis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Album didn't sound like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The photo should look like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want the song to sound like that photo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want the whole album to sound like that photo.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's how she built her whole career was off of that photo, but in music.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the album to me is like, I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go back to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you lose 150 pounds, 120.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get yourself healthier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay tell you your brain tumor is shrinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they shrunk completely at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then all of a sudden you're like, I can be an athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us what happened there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wanted to be a Nike athlete, specifically, and I was training for an Iron Man in New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had already ran three marathon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm losing weight, and now I have this vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to bike across America.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in order to be a Nike athlete, it's probably the most unrealistic thing ever for like a 30 year old white male.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not playing for the leakers.
[SPEAKER_02]: How am I going to do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I did something crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of manifested it, it was all insane how it came together, but I would write down in my notebook every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be in a commercial with the bond James and Serena Williams.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm seeing this dream, like delusionaly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually believe it's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell my friends, I'll tell my mom, I'll tell everybody, like I'm gonna be a Nike athlete, and I needed a way to get their attention, and emailing them, that's not big enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, any time I want something in life,
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe bigger is easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe cannonballing is how you make a wave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where most times you do something big and scary, you put your like pinky toe in the pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it might send a little tiny ripple.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I cannonball, it sends a wave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if I send a wave out, I need it to come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a pinky toe.
[SPEAKER_02]: That wave's not coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cannonball goes out and I need Nike to come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a fear of rejection?
[SPEAKER_03]: Any time you do something like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know it's going to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brainwash myself, like that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like drink your cool leg like seriously, like Nike's going to see my fan made Nike commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike's going to like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike's going to sign me, and I'm going to be in a commercial with LeBrandon as it's raining Williams.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how I talk to myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how I write in my notebook.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you made a video?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you like produced a short film, short ad, what was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I started calling my friends in Hollywood, and they all told me the same thing, and it really pissed me off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't tell me you need to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm like, I don't feel like spending $200,000 on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not that rich.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been $200,000 on the Instagram video.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a clip that's going on my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're like, Charlie, what do you want?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I want a Nike commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I need Nike to see it and be like, we could just take this right now and put it on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like Charlie, that's $200,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to find somebody who can do that for a few grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: they're like Charlie be realistic and I don't tell me to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know somebody can do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like Charlie
[SPEAKER_02]: You need like Hans Zimmer strings if you want it to be like emotional, like that's expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to find that on Epidemic sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need the equipment, you need a 10-person team, you need an editor, you need a score, you need somebody who makes a master of the audio, we're not talking about an Instagram clip here, we're talking about a Nike commercial, you need to be realistic, I said don't tell me to be realistic, I'm going to find somebody, and so I'm in my living room, writing in my quantum possibilities manifestation notebook, like I told you, I'm delusional.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason why all my dreams come true.
[SPEAKER_02]: If anybody's listening to this, I mean, like, this guy's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, if what you're doing is not working, just try this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try the crazy way because it works for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm writing in my notebook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today is the day I search and found my videographer slash editor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's done, exclamation work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easy, exclamation work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on that same page, I'm like, I'm gonna be the face of Nike.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be in a commercial with the Bond James and some random Williams.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm writing my dreams down.
[SPEAKER_02]: My roommate walks in the front door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine's you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a roommate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I left the music in a shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm ever going to make money again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm living in a house with three other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've never done that in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Technically, very successful since I was 18.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm living in a house with three other people and my roommate walks in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And behind him is this guy with this huge steady camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he might be thinking, my roommate's in the entertainment industry.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a business development department for a Goji Berry company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, there's office work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he asked this like movie director guy behind him with all this stuff on the steady can rig that takes both of his hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm looking at him, I'm looking at my notebook and I'm like, is this my fairy tale magical moment?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wrote it down and then this guy walks in, I ask him, I said, do you do videos?
[SPEAKER_02]: and the first thing out of his mouth, my heart, something.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, do videos, but nobody ever pays me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh God, this was not my dream come true moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what do you mean nobody ever pays you?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, I'm only doing this one because it was a Lamborghini at the other set.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, Morgan, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, my friend May and he called, wants to shoot something for his Airbnb business.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he sent this guy over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just met him like three minutes earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, can I see some of your work?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like not that helpful at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he looks like a dark cloud.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks like he's in fallout boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has like the hair, the black, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, can I see your website?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I have it up to like seven years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I opened his website.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was like a short film on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, holy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, did you shoot this?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a young shuddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I said, who owned all the equipment?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the person who shoots
[SPEAKER_02]: probably doesn't own all the equipment, they bring in or have to get it from a supply house.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, well, I'm kind of like a hoarder, like I own all my own lighting, cameras, dolly trucks, steady cameras, and a more figurines of cinematic lenses.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was that, I'm like, how long?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have all that?
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, yeah, I said, who added it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm filming the person who shoots and never added it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a way out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, who made the music?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the person who shoots never makes music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about one person in history.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, well, I used to be in a rock band, and we were on the warp tour 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got a rare could deal, but the rare could label dropped us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, how long?
[SPEAKER_02]: You made the music?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, who color graded it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I call her graded it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, who makes a master the audio?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a studio in my bedroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do all the mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you did everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, listen, look at my notebook.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, you and I are gonna make a family and I keep commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike's gonna see it and Nike's gonna wanna sign me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, dude, you're crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I sat down with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, this is my vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: He started storyboarding it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he drove all these pictures.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He understood your vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said $660.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, excuse me, $660.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I need a two-foot PVC pipe with two belts because I need your feet to be the exact same distance from my camera at all times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have you run all throughout LA and the background's going to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to have you make that, we're going to make this song out of your footsteps in your breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm going to do the strings, and it's going to be like, Hansen, and I'm like, oh my God, like, I manifested this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally 24 hours after sitting down with a Hollywood producer who pissed me off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he told me to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I told him, don't ever tell me to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to find this guy, and I'm writing in my notebook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today is the day I found him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he walks in my front door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who says these words, nobody's coming to save you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very popular online thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a goddamn lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I expect people to come save me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would never in a million years speak the words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's coming to save me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually expect it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm writing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going, this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we made a family and I keep commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everything I said was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: We uploaded it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three days later, Nike calls me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They fly me to campus.
[SPEAKER_02]: They walk me into a conference room.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, Charlie, we are going to change the direction of our company because of this film.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what they showed me?
[SPEAKER_02]: They showed me what's going to become the biggest Nike commercial in Nike history, the Colin Kaepernick commercial, and it had myself, LeBron James, Serena Williams, and it was a Super Bowl commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be on the cover of Runners World magazine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be a Nike athlete and all my dreams came true and everybody who thought I was crazy or delusional.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't think I'm crazy or delusional anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what happened to this guy that helped you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's gone on to be so successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's making so much money.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's such a talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: So isn't that amazing, though, that you are able to also, while these people are saving you?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're also saving them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you brought out this creativity in this guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounded like when you walked through the door, he was low on energy, low on confidence, and you gave it to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And here he is, successful, which is kind of what you do now.
[SPEAKER_03]: in a bigger way, which is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so that happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: That must have felt like you were on the top of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you find your next dream after that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I kind of listened to my heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been very fortunate to allow my heart to, how do I say this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been very fortunate to keep my heart off of do not disturb.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I mean by that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Most all of us, we get scarred.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we silence our hearts because life is hard and it gets scarred and scarred and scarred.
[SPEAKER_02]: We hope for things, but life is hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll give you an example of how we get scarred.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you first got a cell phone, did you have a ringtone?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I must have come with a ringtone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But did was it a song?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever have a song?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had a song one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you probably just had a standard ringtone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you probably put it on vibrate at some point in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it never came off a vibrate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, how much time do you actually spend on doing not disturb?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh, it's on a lot, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We got scarred by the notifications.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we shut down our phones from making notifications.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our hearts, when we were young, we wanted it was open.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was on, and then it gets scarred and it shuts down.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when we get a calling, we can't answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart is open.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I, my eyes light up at something,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm able to actually answer the calling because I heard it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't shut my heart down.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if anybody's watching this, like we gotta get back here and out of here, our hearts have dreams.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so in this time, when all my dreams came true, my heart said, go help kids with cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sold three of my four houses, and started giving all my money away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I moved into my bus, and I started going across the country,
[SPEAKER_03]: So did this bus start as the dream machine or okay, so you bought it with that intention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got rid of all your materialistic things that you decided to drive a cool country.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how did you pick the kids that you are helping?
[SPEAKER_02]: The ones that needed a miracle.
[SPEAKER_03]: They eventually write into you when they stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know we're coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't never know we're coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we show up, they have no idea who we are.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were finding them from social media.
[SPEAKER_03]: Were you calling hospitals?
[SPEAKER_03]: How did that work?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hospitals, churches, boys and girls clubs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We searched the Internet.
[SPEAKER_03]: The team of people that it was their job.
[SPEAKER_02]: They started off with me in a small team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a team grew.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got really good at what we did.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we grew to 9 million followers on social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: The internet started falling in love with what we do, and now we help seven kids a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we keep our foundation very boutique because when we adopt a kid into our family, like we're there for their birthdays, we're there for the families, because a lot of times these kids,
[SPEAKER_02]: They might have cancer, but the mom is being abused and like she needs to get out of the house and needs a place to live so we fund raise and we get our house Like we never leave the family like if they need us we're always going to be there for them So we keep on on profit very small like if one of our kids passes away like we're at the funeral like we keep it a small family So we help seven kids a month
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's something I love and I'll do it for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so has there ever, well, I'm sure there's one that stands out to you, was there the best time you've ever had doing it, tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there was this little girl named Lila.
[SPEAKER_02]: She loved pigs, and she made little pig cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was a little baker, and she had a very rare disease called CRPS, and CRPS is called like the, they call it the suicides disease, because it's so much pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you ever had like pins and needles, and you're like, I didn't ever go as a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you can just imagine what it's like living with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to meet her, she's eight at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to meet her and we ask her her dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was selling cookies to try to save up for this treatment that insurance doesn't cover, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little girl having to like save up for a treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mom got a second job selling hot dogs at the stadium, like families don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: fathers of veteran and school teacher like family trying to do everything they can to get this treatment that will maybe reduce the pain but it cost a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a $90,000 treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like okay, I believe somebody's dream is the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that somebody's problem can be a gift for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't look at problems as problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look at problems as opportunities.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, okay, she sells cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we built her a cookie business?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have a design, her flying pig cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get built her a website, a logo, and we throw her a pop-up.
[SPEAKER_02]: In 10,000 people showed up for a pop-up.
[SPEAKER_02]: The community, no, this isn't, this isn't, we've known her for six days, and we put all this together, six days later, 10,000 people showed up at a pop-up bakery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then two days after that, we're launching the website.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw 200,000 cookies in 48 hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: She made $500,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was able to afford her treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one of the most fun experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we did everything in 10 days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how was she now?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing better.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's still in pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is in high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just went to the prom.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had a little day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was adorable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her name is Lyle.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to look her up on Instagram, it's Lyle's Dream Bakery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amazing and she still has the bakery.
[SPEAKER_03]: She still does the cookie.
[SPEAKER_02]: She still but she still makes.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't run the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot, but she does do her baking every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go back to a couple things you were talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: You talked about how you had a quantum notebook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want people to hear some, like, I know people listening are stuck in something, you know, everyone gets stuck, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there are a lot of things that are really good, like, tips from you, tangible things that people can do and I want to talk about that and then I want to talk about the winning streak.
[SPEAKER_03]: So both of those things, let's, let's get into.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so I kind of have my own proprietary method, let's say, or framework on how I approach a day to one just be happy, because the reality is most of us are going through a lot of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The number one thing I have to do before I even dream, before I even manifest is I have to feel like a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll give you an example.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever been to Las Vegas?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I used to live there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever been to Casino with a couple girlfriends?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Let's say you and two girlfriends.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the girlfriends is winning back to back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this like energy that's surrounding her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like people are like, like, like, like, like, like, and she just keeps winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then another one of your friends is losing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people are like allergic to that person, be like, I almost don't even want to be near you.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, what did difference that is?
[SPEAKER_02]: So winning is like attractive, but attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are attracted to a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then losing is bad things just keep happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody wants to be around you.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so that's how I look at a day when I wake up.
[SPEAKER_02]: am I going to win today or am I going to lose today?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't want to rely on some outside force for me to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, I don't need a good email to feel like winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go to Starbucks, and I go to my double shot of Expressel on ice with a splash of almond milk and two raw sugars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's $3, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is less than a lot of a winnish streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna lose a little bit weight because it's a way less almond milk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because I just did a splash.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna lose weight, winnish streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's a lot of happiness for three bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people need like Louis Vuitton, or like a Lamborghini for happiness.
[SPEAKER_02]: This cup, honestly,
[SPEAKER_02]: My swing from how I feel now to, after I take my first step, I'm going to be happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a wintershake.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my first winning streak of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you start a winning streak, you just got to find some more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I got the green light, winters streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got the red light.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to spend more time with my girlfriend, winters streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go to the grocery store, good park and spot, winters streak, bad park and spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get more steps in winning streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm practicing finding wins in any situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you get to like 10 or 15 or 20 wins, in a short period of time, my mom called me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, thank God, like that's a win.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom being alive as a win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me waking up this morning is a win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, like, I really like my car.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I start looking for these wins.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my, my, my energy is different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm becoming more attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I'm talking to people that like I love your energy become an attractive, like the friend and Vegas who's winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You become attractive things start attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now that I've got my energy like that, I'm on a winning streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like if you like sports and your team is 122 games in a row, you're the only thing you could think about is 23.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm just looking for wins.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to rack them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm going to start manifesting because I have confidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have proof.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now there's an opposite way of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be one of those days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, bad email, like I just can't take this stress anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh fucking red light.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the parking spot, like it's like paranoia and pro-noia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: paranoia's universe is conspiring against me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You stump your toe.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, it's going to be one of those days.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are literally saying what the day is going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's going to be one of those days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pro-noia, the universe is conspiring for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stunt my toe, you know what, maybe it's a good, maybe I need to slow down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, maybe I need to do some yoga.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is a sign from the universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm moving too fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: You start brainwashing yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mindset.
[SPEAKER_02]: Homeboy is the universe is inspiring for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm ready to go manifest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going ready to dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: First thing I do is I wonder what's light in my heart up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not my brain, not my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: my heart was like my heart up.
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart lit up a few times in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a Nike athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: I close my eyes and I saw something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw a commercial, but people always say like, if I see it, I'll believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they mean that in a way with their eyes open.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say, if I see it, I'll believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my eyes don't need to be open to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have a dream, like I didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: People will say the craziest thing and it doesn't need to make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't need to be logical.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was for you, I was always meant to be an athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that mean play for the Lakers or the Olympics?
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just meant I needed to go be 300 pounds to have a brain tumor and now those things were gifts because that's why Nike liked me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike liked me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I can disarm anything bad in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: if I give gratitude to the things that are going bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Brian Tummer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made my dream come true.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't believe anything bad happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe we label it as bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you might be listening to this and be like, oh, this guy is only rainbow, some butterflies and no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have extreme downs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to get out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I throw my temper tantrum.
[SPEAKER_02]: I punch the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll punch the pillow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my goal in life is to have fun, and staying there is not fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I quickly get out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You let yourself have that moment and then say, OK, shake it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's not fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen people replay bad in their mind for years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't get out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And is that what this quantum notebook is about?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just writing the positive or things you see or things you hope for?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's a step before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the winning streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to find a way for this loss and this loss equals a W. It's a lesson learned, but this is a W. So if I can find like, okay, I got fired from soldier board.
[SPEAKER_02]: My list of best thing that happened to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a winning streak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once I label it as a win, and I start finding reasons why, I'm able to move on instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the step before you manifest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you feel confident and you close your eyes and you feel like things are possible because you have proof here in winter, now you can start seeing positive things because that record isn't replaying over and over about that person's, giving you hard time that ball or the egg or this or that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do the winning streak first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I close my eyes to see what's light in my heart up, and then I start writing delusually, as if everything is easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And believe it's easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then once you write it down, start speaking it to everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: be careful how you speak it, like how we said at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I speak it in such a confident way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say exactly what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike's going to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nike's going to sign me and I'm going to be in a commercial with LeBron James Arena Williams to where people can't even have an opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that part of that though is like it's holding you accountable because you would be failing if you didn't make that happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: How where are you on your health journey now?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am stuck at the same weight for three years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every day I wake up as a delusional optimist, and I'm like, I'm going to figure out why my body is not losing weight, because I'm definitely in a calorie deficit, I definitely exercise.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have just, I guess, a lot of underlying issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm down here, working with a sports scientist, we're doing extensive testing, because
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't give up until it happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I did my Iron Man, I lost 120 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I started my non-profit, all the way came back, but I never went back to eating bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stress, the hormones, the cortisol, the extra 400 calories I needed to deal with the stress, even though it's healthy, 400 calories in a salad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that extra food, I gained 60 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lost 40 of it, but I'm still trying every day, so I'm on a health journey.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts on what everyone uses right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the GLP ones and OZEMPIC?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that not something for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I tried it, I didn't lose any weight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't enjoy it either.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you felt sick from it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just, I was just, well, when you spend that much money and don't lose weight, it's like, and then you don't feel good at the same time and I'm like, aren't you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, not for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what's your dream now?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your next big dream?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm dreaming up something really big.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm right in the book and for me it's so excited because it reminds me of like putting out an album.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like I get to apply everything I've done my whole life and like I'm dreaming big with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like my delusional like dreams with this is like I see a classic, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not going to have like a traditional cover, like with the paper thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be like a linen cover.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be your buy at Target, just as a coffee table book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to look like a classic, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know what the cover looks like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm actually going to sell like 30 million copies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've sold about 30 million records in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I know what it's possible to sell 30 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to sell 30 million copies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's up there with like the classics.
[SPEAKER_03]: And is it a memoir, is it a self-help?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a combo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a storyteller.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be story-based with lessons.
[SPEAKER_02]: So self-development, but very story-driven.
[SPEAKER_02]: The words that never come out of my mouth, they're you should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I never, I'm not that type of person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm never going to tell somebody what they should do, but I have stories of what I've done, and just what I would recommend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a name for it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Winni-Striek, mastering the art of delusional optimism.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is going to do again.
[SPEAKER_03]: My last two questions for you have to do with what our show is, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You misunderstood.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some people go through life feeling like they're reduced to a headline.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they spend the whole rest of their life being on a mission to change their narrative in some way, shape, or form.
[SPEAKER_03]: For you, have you ever felt misunderstood in different parts of your life and what got you through that and what do you feel about being misunderstood?
[SPEAKER_02]: Misunderstood to me is a kind of major on the right path in my eyes if I look at just stats of people who are like in a box like the safe route Those aren't the people we read books about or listen to podcasts about like so it's like if you are misunderstood you're probably on the right path
[SPEAKER_02]: because I'm not even attempting to be understood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm sitting here saying, I'm delusional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like nobody does that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm sitting here saying, I think it's going to be easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're most everybody's like, you got a grind.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, I would never say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want it to be hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Misunderstood, but like maybe because I have a complex things People would be like oh, I trust him, but I've always been like this even before the bank account or the success Or a follow-up or on Instagram, and so that's easy to misunderstood that person But if I find somebody like me, that's different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like
[SPEAKER_02]: you're going somewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for anyone that's listening that might be doubting themselves, can't find their purpose, can't figure it out, feel stuck, feels like a loser.
[SPEAKER_03]: What would you say to them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the whole purpose thing I think is dangerous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think purpose is different than a dream?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like for me, for example, like I was the manager for the basketball team in high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that my purpose?
[SPEAKER_02]: My purpose was to be an athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just need to be close to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wanted to do it excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that means I have to sweep the floor at halftime in front of the whole school.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm gonna do it with excellence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, is my purpose to be a cameraman for sociable?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm gonna do it with excellence because it's gonna lead me to something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was my purpose to be a manager for a rappers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, no, that's not my purpose, but I'm gonna do it with excellence because it's gonna lead to something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna keep collecting all these skillsets and all these tools.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think people eliminate themselves from doing so much because it's not my purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I passed out CDs.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the manager, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Manager, you think of like an agent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we gold in the office with the suit?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm passing out CDs like a street team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that my purpose?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm going to with excellence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just keep stacking all these skill sets, because I wasn't worried about my purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, this is what I'm going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart wanted to try something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be great at whatever I try.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I'm tired, I'm going to go do something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think about like four is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a fictional character.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like everything he did, he was excellent at ping pong.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the army.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was special.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like special needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like everything he did, he had a shrimp company.
[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't catch any shrimp.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he figured out how to catch shrimp and then he became a billion dollar company and then like ping pong run across America Like like everybody wanted him to have a purpose for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I just enjoy running like if you want to do something
[SPEAKER_02]: believe that it's your purpose right now, but it's okay to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's okay, but I just see so many people eliminate themselves from action because they're waiting for this like purpose thing that's perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a cameraman, I was the lowest pay person on the team, but that led me to the next thing, to the next thing, to the next thing, and I'm still on my journey, about to write a book.
[SPEAKER_02]: What am I going to do after that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I going to be an author of the rest of my life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell no, I'm going to have another dream after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just quickly, I want your thoughts on the importance of failing and figuring out what you're not good at or seeing the bottom of the barrel, because in my experience, I feel like, you know, I don't take advice from anyone who hasn't, you know, had a rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Important for someone to know how to get out of those times.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to hear just about the good times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's important?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of enjoy the video game of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, if people like video games, I don't play video games, but people like video games because it has a challenge aspect to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just look at it as a video game.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you sat there and played a video game long enough, you will get to the next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: But how many times are you gonna die?
[SPEAKER_02]: this is part of the game like so at me as a businessman like I failed like failed like more businesses than I've succeeded I've been fired many many times I've had bad business situations and I just it's a video game you said I love to say that because that analogy reminds you don't kick on or something and when you get to that point where you always die
[SPEAKER_03]: The more you do it, you keep realizing, wait, I know how to get around this now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know how to do that jump higher, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the failing is what teaches you how to have the guts to keep that, make that jump, do it differently, change some things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think people forget that, that's the lesson in the failing.
[SPEAKER_02]: people get to the point where they die in Donkey Kong, and they become paranoid.
[SPEAKER_02]: University's conspiring against me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to the Donkey Kong?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what a gift.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I know not to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just look at it as a win instead of a loss.
[SPEAKER_02]: You change that one little hack in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything becomes an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch how far you'll go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That winning streak is such a powerful line sentence.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know people have had it tattooed on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be your book.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of all the names.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been such an honor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish you the best of luck and I can't wait to see what lies ahead for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How hard are we going?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
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