Reflecting on the Women's PGA and Yearning for a Euro Tour Links Season

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Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 2: And when I find my.

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Speaker 1: Ball in a brid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida egg egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course. Meg, What is the better catnet that Yuka Sasso, the Women's PGA runner up, learned the golf swing by studying Roy McElroy videos, Or that Roning Yin, the Women's PGA champion is currently renting a home from she U Len you tied for third.

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Speaker 3: I hope that ronig like buys the house or moves out so we maybe don't have to hear about that at have here in two weeks. It was great to see Yuka back playing so well. That's so It's so fun just being able to watch her swing. I was pulling for her down the stretch. But yeah, I mean, plenty of plenty of catnip out there between the landlord story and and Yuka. You know, I hope she's if she starts playing better more frequently, we get past the Rory comp and learn a little bit more about her, because she's got a great personality and and it was awesome to see her back back in it.

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Speaker 1: You got to choose a better one, though, what's the better Catnip?

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Speaker 3: I'll go, Yuka, that's got that's gotten more play for sure, So it's.

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Speaker 1: Gotten more play. And also I think it's better Catnip because it's one thing to study Roy McElroy videos and it's another thing to actually be able to imitate them, which she does pretty substantial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when I connect on on a swing, I'm like, ah, that was that was so good. And I don't video my very often, but it definitely doesn't look anything like passes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well there's a video that we have coming out fairly soon about Pebble Beach where Andy was not playing and Cameron was playing, but is our main cameraman. So guess who's swing made it on the video the most. Yeah, it's gonna be mine, and it doesn't look good, but you know, when I am swinging the club, I'm thinking, okay, be Fred Couples, and then I look at what it's actually like and I'm like that that doesn't look anything like Fred Couples. So you know, yukus Aso being able to legitimately like emulate Roy McElroy's release and his style, his weight shift, and she has that stuff down. I think it's great catnip. Yeah, all right, you are listening to the Fried Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison. That's Meg Atkins. Later in this episode, I'll bring in Ben Coley of Sportinglife dot Com to talk about where the European Tour's Link season went. But first Meg and I will break down what happened at the Women's PGA Championship this past week, the second women's major of the year. One of the main stories was that Rose Zeng, after winning her first start as a professional, nearly won her second start as a professional. But first we should talk about the actual winner, Roning Yin, who's only about eight months seven months older then Rose Zeng. Obviously a lot less hype. She is from a different country. I think part that accounts for part of it. We're very familiar with Rose from her college career at Stanford. Roning Yen is a less known player. So just to start us off, Meg, maybe could you just tell me a little bit about her style of play, Like, how does she play golf?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, runnin Yen, I'm sure everyone's heard the stat by now, but the thirty seven straight greens in regulation uh to end in the tournament is incredible, mind blowing stat. Just a ball striking menace out there. The weekend, she kind of you know, Leona maguire was the leader after thirty six holes. I think she hid every fairway and missed like two greens, and Ronnie just took a took a page out of that playbook, kind of body snatched Leona and and mimicked that over the weekend and that you know, came out on top. You know, for those not familiar with her, she did win at Palace Ver Days earlier this year. I watched a lot of that, and she's she was neck and neck with Georgia Hall in that tournament, who was very hot, probably the hottest player in golf at that time. She's kind of cooled off since and struggled on the front nine. I think she had like three bogies in the road that day on that Sunday and kind of came back, so, you know, very composed for a twenty year old, I would say, you know, she's played in a handful of major like three or four. This is maybe your third major. And you saw that down the stretch. I think that composure leaning on that ball striking down the stretch was huge. We saw eighteen at Baltistrawl, get everybody. It got Carla Desaganda, who was on a tear and then kind of cooled off at the end. She I mean, she could have gotten it to eight under. We saw ju Lynn same thing on eighteen, plops it in the water. She's been so close, I mean, I don't I mean just right there at the doorstep and can't quite close it out. And then roseg same thing followed, followed, you know, ze right into the right into the lake there on eighteen and then Ronnan get up, gets up there and plays out to the right, you know, not even flirting with that water. But she's in the rough. And that was the second fairway she missed.

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Speaker 1: Of the day.

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Speaker 3: There was a good there's a good little nugget video out there with her caddie who talks about, you know, their chemistry. They've only been working together a couple of weeks, first major for him ever, and he talks about how, you know, he was working to keep her composed. The putts weren't falling on the you know, started out back nine. She rolls into birdies on thirteen fourteen, and she kind of gets it going and then it's like just hold on. You know, people were not not you know, getting the birdies at the end like we thought they would with the two par fives at the on seventeen and eighteen. There so barely misses the putt on seventeen for Bertie, and she knows on the tee that she's got a one stroke lead on Yuka. Youka's the only one on the course at that time. Then she sees you can make the incredible Bertie from the green side bucker. She's in the rough at that point. Her caddie says, the ball was, you know, really sitting down, not not well at all, not a good lie. It's a perfect eight iron up there, lay up and then has a great yardage. I think it was a gap wedge onto the green and capitalizes where others didn't it. On eighteen, she rolls in that birdie putt. Like I said, we only saw Yuka take advantage of that part five of the of the players down the stretch, and that's so composed for a twenty year old with not a lot of experience. I'm guessing the win under her belt, you know, helped she'd been there in the Hunt on Sunday, not at this on this big of a stage, but the ball striking performance and the composure, that's a combination to do very very well at not only this major, but majors in the future.

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Speaker 1: So I looked a little bit into running In's past results. Here's the basic profile. Turn pro in twenty twenty one Q School on the China LPGA Tour, then won her first three events in a row, earned her LPGA membership for the twenty twenty two Sea Through Q Series, where she was fourth. Struggled a bit in her rookie season, which was last year, but had enough good finishes in the back half of her year to finish eighty fourth in the Race to the CME Globe, which is the season long race on the LPGA Tour. Then just this past April, as you mentioned, she won the LA Open. She was at the time ranked in the one hundred and forties in the world, and now she has won a major, So a quick rise for running In. But she's one of those players who seems to have really excelled at every level that she's gone to. She was an incredible amateur in China. She dominated the China LPGA Tour, and she quickly earned her spot on the LPGA Tour. Did her job in her first season basically, you know, I would imagine acclimated to a new life in a new location and managed to keep her card while she was at it. And now she's winning. I don't know. It's always hard to tell with young women players whether they're going to stick around for the long haul. We've seen some flashes in the pan, but running in won this tournament not flucally. What you're describing is somebody who ball struck her a way to a win at Baltasarral Golf Club, which is a serious golf course. So it's not like she just caught fire with her putter. In fact, I don't think that her putting was like particularly exceptional.

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Speaker 3: No, she had four or five three puts, and that was her goal going into Sunday, No three putts, and her Cattie talked about that too. You know, he started reading some more and more of her puts throughout the tournament. And I mean she for not making a whole lot on Sunday because her ball striking was so good you know, a lot of two putts to roll that in on eighteen was massive. If that's her weakness, you know, I think that's a thing to watch in the future. But yeah, she for struggling with that early in the week and putting it together and avoiding the three puts on the massive greens out there at Baltis role, you know, that was the difference. That's why that, combined with the ball striking and the composure down the stretch, is why she's She's your winner.

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Speaker 1: Another angle on running in is Chinese players on the LPGA Tour. This is a relatively recent phenomenon that there have been Chinese players on the LPGA tour. Shanchen Thing, I believe, was the first Chinese player to become a member of the LPGA Tour and then also one a major. Now shan Chan's a legend. I know you love Shanhan as much as I do. She appears to be kind of the founding mother of this new little cohort of Chinese players. Now another Chinese player on the LPGA tour who is exceptional? Is she? You ln And I'm sorry if I'm not pronouncing the first consonant there correctly. I've heard a couple of different versions of it in Western media. I believe it's she you ln twenty seven years old, highly ranked, but has not won on the LPGA Tour and obviously is at this point running in's landlord, as we heard many times this week, but this kind of rising generation of Chinese players. There are a few others on the LPGA Tour right now, who are you? I don't know actually, if they're on the LPGA Tour, I know they're ranked in the Rolex rankings. So that's sort of interesting, right because China has a fraught relationship with golf, as we all know, they have not traditionally, not for the past few decades, produced really highly ranked golfers, particularly in the women's game. Now we're starting to see some more players come out of that area of the world.

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Speaker 3: Right and this could be the start of the Shan Shan effect. She is, I believe, only five or six years younger than Shan Chin. Obviously, Ronan is twenty, and you know, I don't think she was even playing golf when Shan Shan was was was on the LPGA Tour and winning her major. But Shanshan's involved with the Chinese national team. That's she's retired from professional golf and that's what she's doing now. So I don't know, I mean, I can't really think of a better mentor than Shanhan thing this incredible personality, engaging, you know, very very good player obviously, so this could be the start of another wave. There are like like you said, when yin one on the Chinese tour, that's a good tour. You know, We've seen this with the k LPGA, the Korean LPGA, Like that's a there's some very good players out on that tour, and we've seen them come over to the LPGA and have pretty quick success in the past.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Besides those two, I think the rest when I kind of was looking at the rankings yesterday, are in that you know, one hundred and fiftieth two hundred three right now, something to keep an eye on for sure in the coming months years, if those we start to see them rise, and you know, this is kind of the beginning of a wave here, but yeah, it could be could be the Shan Shan effect, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Roseng, this was a big storyline on Sunday. Obviously, there's a lot of hype around Roseng and it's justified because she won her first damn event as a professional. Not let's not say that it's unjustified. But you know, while a lot of other players were playing well at Baltis Role, quite a bit of the focus was on Roseng's run. At one point she was just one back of the lead. So what are your takeaways from this week with regards to Roseng in the state of her game?

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Speaker 3: My takeaways are so my thoughts going in, I was like, you know, top twenty would be great for your first major, and like, Rose, does you know just blew those I thought those are pretty high expectations for your first major. It's a totally different stage what we saw at Liberty National, and she just you know, blows those away. But I mean literally had a chance there. What I think the putt on fifteen not dropping and then the bogey on sixteen like that time took the windown of her sales. But she was in there, and the unthinkable, the ridiculous was within reason. And I think that's kind of the theme for Rose, right It's these unreachable expectations, the laughable predictions. She somehow makes those within reason and able to happen. Pretty regularly. You know, we're only two starts in, so it's you know, it's hard not to get out of your skis though when she keeps doing this. But we've talked about this too, like we've seen this before with younger players Lydia Coe, Michelle Wee.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying not to get it to on the hype train, but she keeps doing this, so it's hard not to be but we'll see. And what's great for fans is we have another chance to see her here here in two weeks at Pebble. You're gonna hear this one million times. But she holds the women's course record out there sixty three from when she played there last year when Stanford had a tournament there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but little preview of the cat of the week.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's my that's my call there. But yeah, so much fun. I had so much fun watching her on Sunday. And the crazy thing her caddie mentioned like that was he thought her b plus game and he talked about on Friday, I was watching and she goes bogee double bogie on seven eight, which was her back nine that day, and it was like, oh, it was jarring to see her make bad mistakes and it's like, oh yeah, like she is human. There's mistakes that happen, and a couple of those on Sunday too, a couple couple bogies on the on the back nine. But yeah, pretty wild that that was not her best and she said it too. You know, she was content with the result, not content with how she played, which is very I don't. I mean, I'm way older than her, and I don't think I've ever said anything as mature as that. So yeah, Pebble, you know already so excited for it. Before Rose has has made her mark on the on the LPGA and now we get to we get to watch that here in two weeks, which will be a blast.

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Speaker 1: She said something interesting after her last round at Baltisrawl. She said, even this week, I didn't have any sort of expectations on myself, but the same time, I wanted to see where my game ended up with the professionals and to really see if I can be able to be in contention on a good day, on a bad day, et cetera. It's really cool to see that my game is there and I just have to work a little extra harder to play better. So again we get this Rose innocence. This is a typical roseang answer. I didn't. I didn't think much of my game going into this. You know, these players are so much better than I am.

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Speaker 3: Her goal for herself was to make the cut, which if she says that again at Pebble, we're gonna have to call her on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll call them bs at that point. And so my lingering wonderment is how long she can drag out this sort of like I don't expect all that much of myself and I'm just gonna go out there and play my best. At what point is that going to become impossible to maintain as a mental attitude, Because right now she seems to really function with that. I'm not going to say that she's reliant on it, But if she's gonna end up being great, if she's going to end up being a multiple major winner, at some point that has to shift. At some point she has to start seeing herself as one of the best players out there, and so how is she going to fit that into her particular personality and way of thinking about the game. I think that will be awfully interesting.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And that shift could happen very soon if she keeps performing the way she does.

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Speaker 1: So the coverage this week was questionable. There were some mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they avoided the weather that was, you know, just a slog the first three day's rain, but you know, no weather delays and on schedule for the Sunday finish. Now that caught up with them, and on Saturday night, with the looming storms, they moved the tea times up significantly and went to split teas in threesomes. So you had your leaders teen off at ten thirty, ten forty. So obviously my first question is, well, how does that affect the broadcast? Like where are we going to see these leaders of thirteen off this early? And an extra hour gets added onto the front end of Peacock that's the only change. And I'm I know, like these broadcasts, especially on the network, are very inflexible, Like you know, it's it's tough to get added hours on NBC. But isn't that a golf channel is for? Isn't that you know the name of that network.

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Speaker 1: Had a pretty good tweet that he that he said it, yeah, yeah, he said it's something to the effect of, you know, it's sort of amazing to think that there's a network called Golf and that this is not on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my hang up is with Peacock being the only other option, and four hours of afternoon coverage on NBC is kind of the norm for the biggest women's tournaments of the year. Now that's a separate discussion if that's enough or if that's right or wrong. But missing out on so much of a final round of a major, if you don't have Peacock, it's just head scratching and frustrating. And without the storm coming in when it did, and the delay being as long as it was, they narrowly avoided disaster. It was you would have Roseans, most of her round would have been on Peacock, NBC would have caught the very tail end, Carlotas saganda sixty four would have been missed completely. And it's just it's it's tough, and it's frustrating, And the frustrating part for me is that you know, we could have the same thing happen at Pebble in two weeks. I think Pebble they're planning on coverage on USA and Peacock, so probably a little bit better. But the frustrating. The really frustrating thing for me is there's not a quick solution. There's not a fix that I see coming in the immediate future. So it's it's difficult. You know, the talents there, the play, the personalities are there, but it feels like it's so difficult to really get engaged as the fan. NBC struggles on the men's side to keep fans engaged, to keep up with the leaderboard on the men's side, so strip away resources, strip away cameras, strip away all that, and it's a tough ask for fans to really get engaged with the product.

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Speaker 1: And this is something for LPGA Tour leadership first and foremost to be advocates about and to be really savvy about negotiating, because right now we know the networks are not going to be invested in women's golf just out of the goodness of their hearts or just because it's the right thing for them to do, which, by the way, it is, and I think it would be the smart thing for them to do as well, but it's clear that they don't see that. I'm sure that there's a lot of excuses out there among the television executives involved in the decisions that led to a situation that we saw like what we saw on Sunday. I'm sure that they're going to say that there were certain contracts and we had to follow those contracts, and you all don't know what you're talking about. But the fact is that if this were a men's major, then we would not have been watching it on Peacock. There would have been a plan in place to put this on actual television. And the fact that this is a women's major, and it's not the Chevron, it's not the ivy On, it's not one of those fake majors. This is a real major with real history. The fact that they didn't have a plan for having this on television if weather happened, which is not an unusual occurrence in golf, just tells us all we need.

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Speaker 3: To know, right And I think you're exactly right in saying that it's not going to come from the NBC's of the world. And I want to like they do a good job with what they're given.

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Speaker 1: The coverage is good. I think I like watching it better just the pure telecast I like better than most of the men's coverage that I see. Paul Asinger isn't involved. That's that's a big plus right off the bat.

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Speaker 3: And I think the announcers are good, right and it's so it's interesting, so where where does that investment come from? And it was, you know, we're recording Monday morning. I was catching up on podcasts earlier this morning, and the nulling up, you know, was talking about this investment in women's sports and talking about you know, equal purses. No, that's kind of the next big glass ceiling to break and the white whale that we haven't really gotten close to yet. And so when I think of that, I think of, you know, we do the tennis comp a bunch so US opened for tennis, got equal purses in nineteen seventy three. That was billyging King putting a lot of that, doing a lot of that work on our own. Now the other four Grand Slams, I think Wimbledon was the final one to have equal purses in two thousand and seven, So it's possible that nineteen seventy three. I mean, that's a groundbreaking accomplishment that doesn't get a lot of attention or talked about very often. But the big difference I see is that, yes, I think billyging King did a lot of that work. I know she did a lot of that work. But the other factor was that the men and the women play side by side. When I talk about mixed events and ask for mixed events to happen on the LPGA and the PGA, you know we've got the Scandinavian mixed on the euro side of things. It's because all of the eyes, all of the money, all of the resources are on the men's side of the game, and when they're totally separate, the women's game is essentially out of sight, out of mind. And if we can bring those together, put them on the same courses together, get the eyeballs that are on the men's game to look at the women's game, I think that would be huge for us advancing the women's game, getting more investment, getting more sponsors. So we've got Grant Thornton mixed event coming in December. It's kind of the silly season. I hope we get a lot of players, a good player's top players to show up to that, but it's the barrier still up. The gates are still closed for a large a large audience of golf fans out there, and the big time investment is the thing that's going to open up that door. So where when, how does that come from? I'm not sure, but there's a formula there that is a great step in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Gary?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, we start with the British Masters this week, which is an event obviously not as strong as it was maybe seven or eight years ago, which I think you could broadly apply to a lot of things we'll discuss here. But justin Rose is coming over for it, which is great. It's going to be hosted by Nick Faldo for the first time and that's part of a multi year agreement with him and the Belfree Is of course obviously may not be the best course in England, but it's certainly one of the most well known, and minwru Lee joins the field as well, and we've got in the background this fascinating battle for Ryder Cup places or to get the attention of Luke Donald. So that's this week, and then we go to Denmark for one of the most fun events on the DP World Tour, the Maide in Himaland for sure plenty of people listening to this podcast have seen that before, and they've done some really cool things there with the.

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Speaker 2: Sixteenth hole, which is like a.

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Speaker 4: Lob wedge path three with players go through a little beer tent to hit their te shots and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's always good fun.

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Speaker 4: And then we've got obviously the Genesis Scottish Open, followed by the Open itself, So things are getting busy after that sort of typically fragmented spring on the DP World Tour, where we go from you know, Asia back to Europe and try and get things moving in a sort of coherent direction for the summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the time when really the DP World Tour starts to take on a feeling of this makes sense as a schedule, maybe because the weather is turning around in the places where the European Tour has traditionally played, But this has always been one of my favorite parts of the DP World Tour schedule. Like you, I'm a big fan of the Maiden Himerland. I'm not sure it necessarily belongs right in this place in the schedule, and so something that has disappointed me a little bit in the past couple of years is that the DP World Tour has kind of moved away from going to traditional links golf venues for you know, the Scottish Op. Is it a modern links course designed by Tom Doak. I don't really think it's Tom Doak's best work, but it's not bad. So that's where the Scottish Open has been. Obviously, there are many other places that it could go that it hasn't gone in the past few years. And then the Irish Open has now moved to a new spot in the schedule in October I think it is now and for the past couple of years it has been right before the Scottish Open, and so there was a potential for a bit there, for a kind of link season. What do you think happened to this emerging notion of a link season in this part of the DP World Tour schedule. Where did that go?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: This is I suppose everything comes back to money at the moment in golf, doesn't it. And I'm afraid I'm going to have to go back to it here. I mean I should say as well that I've been speaking to a couple of people preparing for this podcast, really who are a little bit better connected to the machinery of golfing Island in the two and Brian Keo has won a fabulous journalist too. If you want to know what's going on in Irish golf, you follow him. You're going to you're not in a miss a beat. So I chatted with Brian earlier and it was really interesting to get the inside word as he sees it. And one of the big factors is the timing of the pandemic and when that came along, and ultimately the t sheets of these great Links golf courses in Ireland at the moment are booked out. I mean, I look myself today. If you want to get a tea time at La Hinch this side of Christmas, you're not going to get them. And it's about eleven hundred euros for a four ball at Lahinch and they're booked up the whole of summer. And I think quite simply a lot of these Links golf courses, many of which I mean not all of them, but many of them are not necessarily struggling for money. They don't really want it at the moment, and I think that's one factor that's played a big part in it.

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Speaker 2: There's the sponsors.

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Speaker 4: Brian tells me that when when the former sponsors of the event Jubai Duty three saw Mount Juliet for the first time. They said, this is what we want is where we want to bring our clients. And that's frustrating because you know, we'd love them to take their clients to some of the greatest golf courses in.

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Speaker 2: The world that are dotted around the Irish coastline.

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Speaker 4: And look, there are many good Parliament golf courses in Ireland as well, and I think if you ask one of the people organizing the event to come on this podcast, they would make that defense, so I should make it for them. But look, the Irish Open has been at its best when it was at Royal County Down, for instance, eight years ago. Fabulous, fabulous golf tournament. The k Club's got it this year, It's got it in the odd numbered years. But I think a three three runs. There's talk of a damn manner because obviously that's going to host the ride A Cup in four years and whether JP McManus, who caused the shots there, would want to have an Irish Open before that. But ultimately that's what it comes down to. The Other thing I'd say is that I'm not sure really the best players want three weeks of Links golf. I don't know how many of them would admit it, but when they had that opportunity of a kind, as you said, we could probably debate all day whether the renaissance really counts, but it's become the chosen preparation for the Open. Obviously it's worked for Colin Morricle were actually directly benefited from that experience when he won the Open, and to an extent so to cam Smith, I think. But when they give the guy as the chance of three weeks of that kind of golf in twenty nineteen, look at Shane Lowry, he played the Irish, he skipped the Scottish. Tommy Fleetwood, who would go on to be second to him at Poor Rush, did exactly the same thing. Some of the Americans play the Rocket Mortgage Classic still so obviously things have changed since then with the CO sanctioning, but I think they're the primary reasons. But I'll finish by saying this. I gather from Brian and a couple of other people that Rory McElroy is really pushing to have this Irish Open given some sort of CO sanctioning in the future, and there is definitely a chance of a Links golf course returning next year, so hopefully that is the case. I mean, the other sad thing at the moment is that the players on the deep world or have asked for a post Open holiday.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of them are going to.

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Speaker 4: Play the Open, but they want three weeks off after the Open, and that's denied. As Hillside, which has been a really nice place to visit, not a tournament that's attracted big names, but certainly a fabulous golf course, we won't get that this year. We don't get fair Monts and Andrews, which again probably falls into a slightly different category, and therefore after the Open we have to wait for the dunhillingk So it's definitely a shame, and I think in terms of it kind of comes back to the thing that runs through everything we've discussed lately in golf, and that for the consumer we're losing out without question. But the people with the money and the people with the schedules, they're making the decisions that they have to make, I guess, to make things work.

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Speaker 2: At that side of things.

00:35:45
Speaker 1: That is very interesting and also very fair. What you've gone through to the DP World Tour, you can see how they've arrived at some of these decisions. What I see when I look at the history, the recent history of these events, is a dividing line at about the pandemic, where maybe some of the factors that you're talking about with the courses all of a sudden that the prominent links courses of Ireland and Scotland all of a sudden being booked solid and saying you know what, no, thank you, Because before the pandemic what we had for the Irish Open was twenty nineteen La Hinch, twenty eighteen Ballyliffin, which is a modern lynx, but still I would say a fairly legitimate example of the genre. Twenty seventeen Port Stewart, which was terrific right twenty fifteen Royal County Down. You mentioned that twenty twelve Royal Port Rush. The Scottish Open was at Gullen in twenty eighteen and twenty fifteen. Castle Stewart might be a venue that I would prefer a little bit to renaissance when it comes to modern links in Scotland, and the Scottish Open had been there quite a bit. Royal Aberdeen was in twenty fourteen and then the British Masters has gone to interesting places like Hillside in twenty nineteen, Walton Heath in twenty eighteen. That was one of my favorite tournaments ever to watch, Walton Heath the British Masters, and so we've moved away from that. For all these factors that you've mentioned, what do you think is the most feasible positive outcome for fans of links golf in this part of the DP World Tour schedule.

00:37:30
Speaker 4: Like, realistically, I think just because the very best players don't necessarily want that three week run doesn't mean we can't have some great links golf and showcase you know potentially what they're missing.

00:37:43
Speaker 2: So one of the options might.

00:37:44
Speaker 4: Be a Welsh or and English Open before the Scottish Open, which is really locked into that spot for the foreseeable. There are some great links golf courses in Wales. Obviously the Senior Open Championship is that one of them. This year Open qualifying has been moved to one of them, one of the final qualifiers for the Open because of some.

00:38:02
Speaker 2: Work going on at Burnham.

00:38:04
Speaker 4: That would be one option, and maybe involving Ireland in that in a rota of some kind of event which would go around multiple courses and not be a big imposition on one country or one union. That would certainly be one option one of the other things that maybe doesn't tie in with this particular part of the calendar. But if let's say Rory McElroy can get this done and get the Irish Open Coast sanction, then for me the obvious thing to do in a post Rider Cup window, and that window is narrow for the reasons you've mentioned around the climate here. But if we're going to have the Dunhill Links, then why not tag on an Irish Open to that, a co sanctioned Irish Open on Links land, you know, and that's out of the high summer when the tourists want to play the Hinch and Port Stewart and all those other great golf courses and just.

00:38:54
Speaker 2: The other thing.

00:38:55
Speaker 4: I would say that, whether that comes to pass or not, I think we should expect to see a lot of these great Irish Links golf courses in other events in the coming ten to fifteen years. I think there's talk of Walker Cup, talk of the Women's Open Championship. Obviously new ground was broken at Port Rush in the Open, and I think that's something that will be expanded upon because one thing I think the DP World Tour understand very very well is the value of a good Irish golf market or product for themselves, and I think obviously the RNA and everybody else involved in running the sport. We'll see again. Even this year now Rory's going back to the Irish Open.

00:39:37
Speaker 2: It's at the K Club.

00:39:38
Speaker 4: As I said, it will probably be the best attended event on the DP World Tour this year. It may, you know, went with can run it close, but you're talking one hundred thousand people and that's a lot of people for an event over here, So I think they understand the value. I think they've taken a lot of criticism over the last few years as Rory has not come as often and as the event has gone to places like Galgorm Castle and Mount Juliet, and I think we'll see a response and hopefully I think the most realistic is that co sanctioning where perhaps we get the person, we get the golf courses to really do justice to what's a fabulous event.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: And besides Rory at the K Club is probably a pretty good combination for people who want to see Roy contend. You know, yeah, I mean that's a place where he can contend, Oh for sure.

00:40:27
Speaker 4: I mean I remember, like it was yesterday, his three wood or five wood whatever it was, to the eighteen hole there in twenty sixteen to be I think Russell Knox and Bradley Dredge. I mean, he expect to win that tournament. But that's kind of what you want to see. And look just on Rory, I know I'm anyone who knows who I am probably expect me to say this kind of thing. But he's had a lot of criticism for not supporting this event. Now, he played it every year from two thousand and eight to twenty eighteen. He fell in twenty nineteen that it wasn't the best way to prepare for Port Rush, and he may have regretted that as Shane obviously played Lahinch won a Port Russian and he did what he did. Then he had a pandemic and he had a daughter that had been born a couple of weeks before, and he came back in twenty twenty one and he's back this year. And what he did win it, he gave all the money away. So I think Rory's really important to the future of this event, and I think he will be tied to it for hope for the next ten years or more.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting and I just sort of realized this as you were describing all the dynamics with this part of the schedule in June and July. Here is that the Irish Open may very well benefit from getting out of the blast radius of the Scottish Open and the Open Championship, because now the Scottish Open is a co sanctioned event. Right now, the Scottish Open is one of those events that just about everybody is going to go to, and so if you have the Irish Open the week before, that doesn't necessarily serve the Irish Open very well, especially considering you have a major coming on the heels of that. How many players are going to go, as said a couple of times, three weeks in a row for links golf, right a lot of them might think that their swings will get screwed up if they play that much links golf, which is sort of a sad indication of where we are in golf that, you know, playing at kind of the original grounds for golf would make modern players think that they'd be screwed up for any other form of golf that they usually play, but that that is where we are and so moving this more in the range of the Dunhill Links may very well, you know, just give us more of what we want, which is more golf on some of these great links golf courses. And that's just something that I think that the DP World Tour it seems like they could hang their hat on that. But maybe that's just me as a golf nerd. Is that just something that a golf nerd would say about, you know, what the DP World Tour could do to become successful.

00:42:51
Speaker 2: To an extent.

00:42:52
Speaker 4: But I think if the DP World Tour isn't thinking about how to keep golf notes happy, then they're perhaps not doing their job very well, you know, like to serve us first and foremost. I would say, obviously, look, it only would take one year where they can only play three days because of the rain and stuff for people to decry the whole idea. But I remember when when Shane won the Irish Open. I can't remember the course, I'm afraid, but when he won the Irish Open as an amateur, it was foul weather and it was just a joyous occasion and a celebration of Goldford it's most pure and elemental, and I think overwhelmingly people want to see that again. And look, bringing along the best players in the world with you on that journey requires money, and the timing of the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup makes it difficult. But they've done it with the dun Hill Links, you know, the dun Hill Links. Fundamentally, they give players something, They give them a really big purse, and they give them a chance to play with their dad and whoever else they want to play with, right, And there are ways to do it, and I think it sounds like they might be exploring those ways. And as I said, I think in the short term there's a good chance we get a Links golf course next year. But obviously three of the next five are taken up by the k Club, which at least a bit likely belfy. This week brings with it some familiarity and some very vivid memories of successful Ryder Cups for us on this side anyway.

00:44:14
Speaker 1: So a bigger subject here for the DP World Tour. How would you assess the position of this tour right now among all the whirring factions or maybe peaceful factions now of the professional golf World. Obviously it's in a strategic alliance with the PGA Tour, and the PGA Tour appears to be forming a partnership with the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund. So with this possible merger on the horizon, where do you think the DP World Tour sits? In all of it.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: In a position of great uncertainty like a lot of things, I suppose, And I think the most unsettling thing or unnerving thing for me following along these last four weeks or whatever it's been, is that it's always felt like an afterthought for most people, you know, for certainly for the when you hear about who was involved in these discussions, it feels like Keith Pelly was the one who was finding out what had been said, rather than being heard in that conversation. And that's unfortunate because I think he's broadly done a very good job in his nearly ten years in charge of the DP World Tour amid some really difficult circumstances. I mean, if you think when he took over in twenty fifteen, one year later Brexit happened, which has had enormous implications here still suffering the aftermath of the financial crisis in certainly Spain would have been one of the hardest hit countries, which has played a massive.

00:45:45
Speaker 2: Part in the history of the European.

00:45:47
Speaker 4: Tour, and then to go into a pandemic and navigate, you know, I think sometimes it's forgotten that we had to cross borders in a way that the PGA Tour did not, and I think it's one of those things on and perhaps is unfair, but it seems to me the general consensus on the internet is that Keith Pelly is some sort of moron who doesn't really know what he's doing, who is authoring the destruction of our dear European Tour. And yet among those on the circuit the view, the impression I get is completely the opposite, and that actually has done a pretty good job in challenging circumstances, not without fault. I've sort of gone off on a tangent there, but I think the point is that they're in a position of great uncertainty where until we know more about what happens with PGA Tour and PIV, we won't really know what happens with the DP World Tour. But I do think there are a lot of good things going on on the tour. I think if anyone who watched the tournament in Germany over the weekend, we'll see that German golf is thriving at the moment and people are turning out in huge numbers to see you know, what was a fairly modest DP World Tour field, and I think you'll see that across We saw a great field in Belgium where Thomas Dietree came back to host that. And I think all these things that have happened, all these punches that have landed on the European Tour, they it keeps surviving them, and I hope that it can continue to do so. And I think it would be a great shame if the PGA Tour doesn't understand its value. I guess in the same way that we're talking about the DP World Tour understanding the value of events like the Irish Open. If the PGA Tour has become the custodian of the DP World Tour, then I would hope that it does not underestimate its value. The other thing I just wanted to say on it is that the DP World Tour continues to innovate and it continues to try things that haven't always worked, but this is a tour that currently has a big part. Right now as we talk, there is the G four D event going on on the same golf course, so disabled golfers, the best disabled golfers in the world, are playing at the bel three three days before, justin Rows, and they're playing for good money.

00:48:00
Speaker 2: It'll be on television later in the week.

00:48:03
Speaker 4: We've had the Scandinavian Mix where men and women play for equal prize money. We've had numerous initiatives with young golfers in the Netherlands and in Belgium, and they're doing so much good stuff and I just hope that's protected by the people in charge. But the thing that worries me is that I don't really think that DP World Tour has a strong voice at the table.

00:48:23
Speaker 1: I wonder if they had any voice in the recent agreement or framework agreement between the PGA Tour and the PIFF but I suppose we'll probably never really know that. But it struck me that in his interviews after this deal was announced, Keith Pelly did not seem to be particularly in the know about it or represent himself as being intimately involved in the negotiations. And that might be a bit of a worrying sign about the extent to which the PGA Tour values the DP World Tour. So the background for this is that there's a strategic alliance between the DP World Tour and the PGA Tour, and a lot of critics of Keith Pelly's maneuvering, particularly some players who left for Live like Lee Westwood and Sergio Garcia, is that essentially what Keith Pelly has done is positioned the DP World Tour as a feeder for the PGA Tour. Do you think that characterization is accurate? If it's accurate, is that a bad thing for the DP World Tour? And more broadly, where do you hope this all goes for the DP World Tour. What would be the best thing that the DP World Tour could get out of this new relationship with the PGA Tour. I know I just gave you like a five part question there, But if the DP World Tour is a feeder tour, then what do you make of that and where is it going?

00:49:48
Speaker 4: I think the word feeder or the phrase feeder tour is is a mischaracterization because the way I see it is the corn a feed Tour. You have one ambition on the corn Very Tall and that is to graduate to the PGA Tour. The one thing nobody wants to be doing on the Corn Ferry Tour is defending a title. You don't want to do that because it means that you have not got to where you want to get. The DP World Tour is different because, yeah, it has a system by which you can get to the PGA Tour, and that's right. There is a hierarchy in any sport where it is individuals playing it, and we would have word the phrase is about independent contractors or whatever. There is a hierarchy. There is a pyramid, and there is a top of the pyramid, and that must exist somewhere, and it exists in America. And you can hate that if you want, but that is where it exists, and that is where if I was in charge of the DP World Tour, I would anticipate that it still exists in ten twenty thirty years time. And I know that might seem foolish now that Saudi Arabia are may be making moves to take over at the top of that pyramid, but I do not see that happening in full. And I think that's partly why Keith Pelly decided when he was presented with that choice, to go down the PGA Tour route, because there a lot of things you're buying into that Saudi Arabia, though wealthier could not provide. So I think feeder Tour is unfair first of all, but second of all, and it does irk me when you get it from people like Westwood and Poulter and the rest of them. Keith Pelly is formalized avenues to the PGA Tour. By doing that, he's not done anything except give you an official sort of channel. It's not encouraging people to want to be there. They always wanted to be there for at least thirty years.

00:51:32
Speaker 2: So Sergio Garcia.

00:51:34
Speaker 4: When he came out on the European Tour and he was of great hope, the first thing he wanted to do was get membership for the PGA Tour. That's natural and it doesn't mean you can't be expected to come back, as John Rahm has done and support the Spanish Open, and as Rory McRoy has done and support the Irish Open. So I think Feeder Tour's mischaracterization. I think it is normal that the dp World Tour plays a feeder type role. But the future as I would envision it or hope that it can be, is that the DP World Tour can really work with the PGA Tour in establishing it like a symbiotics schedule like it has to. The one thing I don't like about the relationship, the strategic alliance that as it has been, is if there has been any thought to how you prioritize the DP World Tour at any stage, that has certainly not been communicated. The best thing that has happened to the DP World Tour is that the Scottish Open's got more money. Well okay, but to the membership there are half of us can't play in it anymore. So there's not been a great deal of good communication on that. And as far as you know, the other good thing for players is obviously this top ten cards that Adrian moronk for instance this year. He deserves to be rewarded for a fabulous season with PGA Tour membership. I have no issue with that, But what I do want to see is the PGA Tour right, we're going to invest in Okay, let's try and invest with the DP World Tour. Why haven't we got an event in Norway now, because over the next fifteen years one of our most important golfers is from Norway. Adrian Moronk has made history for Poland. How can we invest in that. How can we work this schedule so that things like a co sanctioned Irish Open can happen, so that the Australian Open, which Adrian moron won last December, I mean, setting aside all the things they did with the format, Like, to me, that was really sad because I don't think anybody noticed and Adrian Moronk be Adam Scott to win an Australian Open that was massive and it didn't really make a wave in the sport in the way that it could with the help of the PGA Tour. So, yeah, you get me a load of questions. I've given you a suitably convoluted answer.

00:53:43
Speaker 1: I think, no, it's an unbelievably coherent answer given the incoherence of the question. But what you've addressed here is the one of the key differences between the DP World Tour and a tour like the corn Faery, which is purely a theater, and that is that. But the DP World Tour is a place that players when they go to the PGA Tour come back to. They have to in order to qualify for the Ryder Cup for one thing, if they're elite players, then they need to play a certain amount of DP World Tour events. Now. I don't know if that criterion is going to change as this relationship between the tour starts to evolve, but I hope it doesn't. I hope we still see Elite European Tour players or Elite European players, I should say, come back on a regular basis and get those events that they need to be eligible for the Ryder Cup. So that's one thing that the DP World Tour has that the Korn Ferry Tour doesn't have any analog for. There's no event that a player on the PGA Tour would go back to on the corn Faery Tour that just doesn't exist. And so that tells you that there's something about the DP World Tour, even if it's just that qualification and for the Ryder Cup, that makes it its own thing. And so it seems like what needs to be developed is those events the players go back to, getting John Rahm to come back, getting Victor Hovland to come back and support some events on their home continent, in their home country. It seems like that is sort of the area that they need to develop and work forward through. Am I stating that convincingly.

00:55:29
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, And they need to really understand what the players want to do. We have to accept in this that the players have most of the cards right and there are loads of things they can explore, like what do players want to be doing in November? Do they want to come across to the Middle East and play three events for loads of money and have the chance to be named the winner of the European Tool Money Sir Henry Cotton Player of the Year as it once was.

00:55:54
Speaker 2: It's a Rookie of the Year now, isn't it.

00:55:55
Speaker 4: But do they want that? And if they want that, let's buy into that. Why does the Jubai Desic Classic and the Abu WHSBC Championship, Why do they have to sit opposite Tory Pines and Pebble Beach and the events they sit opposite? Now, why can't they be brought into November? Why can't we accept that the Deep World Tour actually could start in the spring in Europe and the Middle East plays its park in the November and October, November December part of the year that all kinds of things they could explore, and I'm sure to some degree are exploring. But I think among the many factors is to understand what the players want and what would they what would make them come. And that sounds a little defeatist in some way because at the start of this podcast we're talking about, you know, the things we love about golf and the type of golf we want to see and the golf courses we want to see. But there's also a realistic side to this where if you want the Deep World Tour to thrive, then it probably has to do so largely thanks to some Middley support, and that is a whole other podcast about, you know, their their own business ties, but as things currently stand, they are leaning heavily on that as they have to. And if you can get Colin Moricara to come out for the DP World Tour Championship, there's a reason he wanted to come, and there are reasons that other.

00:57:08
Speaker 2: Players will come too.

00:57:10
Speaker 4: We used to have some good events in Turkey and they have to just be a bit more coherent as well. I mean, in recent years We've had situations where you're asking your best players to go from Turkey to South Africa to the Middle East for the three weekend of the season, with China thrown into that four or five years ago. All those little things that really frustrate players and fans, tidy it up, you know, work together.

00:57:31
Speaker 2: And I think.

00:57:32
Speaker 4: That's the reason people hate hearing the frage strategic Alliance is that it doesn't feel like an alliance yet. It feels like a safety net, a comfort blanket, even for the DP World Tour, rather than a relationship.

00:57:45
Speaker 2: From which it can benefit.

00:57:46
Speaker 4: And they've so much goodwill to earn by exploring those opportunities, you know, Like I've already said that Keith Pelly is reputation among the average golf fans probably not great, and the same is certainly true of Jay Moonnah at the moment, and they have a lot of good will to win back by really exploring some of these opportunities and explaining what they do. And at the moment, I feel it's the one thing that both tours do really badly, whether it's you know, FedEx cut points or special temporary membership to the average person, I don't know what this means, what what, Why is ludvig Aberg on the on the tour right now? What happened there? And how does it what happens to him if he doesn't get in the top one two? For all these things, they don't explain things well, and I think that is broadly true of their bigger plans as well. So I want to see them do that better and listen to people like like you, like me, like golf nerds who really want to be watching these events across the world for years to come.

00:58:44
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01:00:41
Speaker 4: Honestly, if I can recommend stuff to people on my happiest I think I'm going to show you I have a natural CD here. I went to a to a gig last week with a friend, which was great. We have a really cool venue in Lead, it's called the Brutell Social Club, which I would love to recommend, but it's probably unrealistic that people are going to travel across the antic to go there. But it's a fabulous place where I've seen many of my best favorite bands. And there's a young British band called Squid whose new album O Monolith is really interesting and really good, the other thing I want to recommend. So it's a busy time here in my house. At the moment, we are leaving Yorkshire, which is the county I've called home for about fifteen years now, so it feels right that I am championed the county which has given me so much. And I'm ten minutes from Oldoodley, a fabulous golf course, which in turn is five minutes from Moretown former Ryder Cup venue, another fabulous golf course. You can stay and play both, stay in a little bed and breakfast. A couple of hundred pounds and play two of the best golf courses in the country.

01:01:41
Speaker 1: But author Alistair McKenzie associated courses.

01:01:45
Speaker 4: Right they are, yeah, and there's loads of those heading Lee, which is another ten minute drive away Mackenzie Green's there fabulous golf course Bingley s Ives, where I think Bernard Langa once climbed up a tree on his way to winning the Benson and Hedges in the eighties. They just golf in Yorkshire must be one of the most underestimated or underrated places in the world. And I would say, I know you have loads of listeners who maybe they've done all the wonderful places or many of the wonderful places in the States. If you're thinking about going abroad and you're coming to England for a golf trip, try Yorkshire because as well as the stunning golf courses, you've got city like York and Leeds and it's just a great place. And if you can visit the Brudenell and see bands like Squid.

01:02:28
Speaker 1: Now that would be a I love the combination trips where you can get some golf and also explore some of the culture of the area. So those are really nicely intertwined recommendations you're moving away from Yorkshire? Can you tell people where are you going?

01:02:43
Speaker 2: Yeah?

01:02:43
Speaker 4: So in American towns. We're making a very very short change. We're moving to the Midlands, which is where I'm from. My wife and I am moving back home to be close to family. But it's one and a half hours down the road. So I know, it like moving around the corner for you, isn't it. So it's not a massive upheaval, but it will be. We'll be very sad to leave your ships.

01:03:01
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've been it for a long time.

01:03:03
Speaker 1: Plenty of good golf in the Midlands too, as I understand it.

01:03:06
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll find I'll find it.

01:03:11
Speaker 1: Well well, okay, all right, the Bellfreeze there. Maybe maybe some other courses too, all right. So my recommendation this week is something my wife and I just kind of randomly turned on on Netflix and have been enjoying so far, haven't finished it. It's the Tour de France Netflix documentary Tour de France unchained as it's as it says in English, but it's something like the Cold Bell at All in French or something like that. Now. It is a Netflix sports documentary show. So if you've watched Drive to Survive. If you watched Full Swing, then you know exactly what the formula for every episode is, and so there's a certain kind of familiarity to it that can be comforting if you're watching it in a tired state, which is how I do just about everything these days, but can also be a little bit annoying if you're looking for something that's truly innovative narratively. So this is not a show that's going to blow you away with its treatment of the documentary form. But I think it's a really solid show, and it gives me insight into a sport that I truly have not followed for years. Like many Americans, I started to follow the Tour de France in the Lance Armstrong era and became very disillusioned with it as it became clear that everybody was doping, and I was just like, screw this sport, Like this is ridiculous. I'm going to focus on other things now. I don't know what the state of doping is currently on the Tour de France. I understand that it's a little more controlled, but this show is introducing some really interesting characters doing a thing that I truly am amazed by These bike races are unbelievably grueling, unbelievably painful, and I just really like that kind of athletic endeavor because that's the kind of thing that really impresses me and captures my imagination when there are people who are capable of doing things with their bodies that are just like right out on the edge. And so that's what I'm getting out of this documentary. It's also nicely it's not too American centric. It seems to me that the show is aimed sort of half at a French audience, even has some talking heads who are speaking French, and so it doesn't seem to be pandering too much, which I appreciate. And it trusts people who speak primarily English just to read subtitles, and so my wife and I are very much enjoying that right now. I would recommend it The Tour de France Unchained Documentary on Netflix. All right, Ben, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

01:05:46
Speaker 2: Pleasure, Thank you having me.

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