288 | Making Sense of "Baby Talk" in a CCPT Playroom: What It Means and How to Respond

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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In today's episode,

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I am answering a question from Kelli in Washington State.

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Just about as far away from me as you can possibly get,

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with the exception maybe of Hawaii or Alaska.

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So,

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hello to those of you on the northwest side of the states,

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as I am on the southeast side of the states.

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All right,

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so Kelli's question is about baby talk in sessions,

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and I think maybe we've kind of glossed over this a few times,

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but I don't know that we've actually done any kind of deep discussion about this.

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So looking forward to

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process that together

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as a,

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as a second question that

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was included in the email,

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Kelli is wondering if we have any more live calls

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coming up soon since she attended the last one.

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And yes,

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I am planning another live podcast soon,

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so stay tuned.

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We are actively choosing dates and I'm doing

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a lot of training with Corwell right now,

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so that has occupied most of my free days during the week,

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but,

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and I've been speaking all over the country,

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so that's another occupying of my time,

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but.

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That's settling down probably by the end of

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this month,

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so we are hoping to get a date booked and

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you all can register an RSVP and we expanded our Zoom

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account

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so we can have more than 100 people on the call so we can really

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go big on the live calls now.

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So yes,

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another one is coming.

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Stay tuned.

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I'll be able to do Q&A and I'll record a podcast live on the call with y'all.

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And I'll get to put faces with names and hang out with my people,

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which is my absolute favorite thing to do.

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All right,

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so let's read parts of Kelli's question and then we'll dive in.

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I've wondered if you've ever done an episode on baby talk.

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I have a few kids of varying ages all the way from 1st grade through 4th grade,

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which that's typically in the 6 to 9 year old range just for reference,

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who will use baby talk in the playroom

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and sometimes act helpless.

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Just wondering the best way to reflect this with them,

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especially if it keeps happening over and over.

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Alrighty,

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so let's talk through the why first.

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The why matters as always.

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So we need to understand what is at the root

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of baby talk and there are several possibilities so we'll

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just kind of look at them one at a time,

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but there is always

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if a child is speaking in baby voice,

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baby talk,

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saying baby sounds,

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whatever that looks or sounds like there is always a need

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that is part of the therapeutic process there.

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And let me take a quick left turn as a related aside,

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but I promise it,

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it'll bring us back on track.

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It's really important to realize that everything that happens in a play session.

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Every word that is spoken,

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every story that's told,

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every emotion that's expressed,

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every behavior,

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every action,

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every attitude,

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every bit of it,

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there's meaning in it.

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Nothing is meaningless,

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nothing.

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And it's easy for us to just discard a story about.

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Lunch in the cafeteria.

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It's easy for us to just kind of blow off

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a scenario that they tell us about playing

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soccer with their brother in the backyard.

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It's easy to kind of gloss over something that they share about their new.

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Drumsticks that light up when they play.

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we need to be really intentional

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and acutely aware

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that every single thing that happens in a play session

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has meaning we can't always make sense of it.

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There's sometimes no

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meaning to be made on our part,

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but there is meaning there.

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So when a child is speaking baby talk,

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there's something going on.

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It's either a means to an end,

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it's a need,

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an expression of something.

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There's always significance,

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so I wanna make sure that that is known before we kind of look at potential why.

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when a child is speaking in baby talk.

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It can mean usually one of a few things.

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The first option is they are acting and or playing regressively.

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And we know that one of the phases,

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no,

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sorry,

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the stage.

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I say them wrong,

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but I know them in my head.

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One of the stages

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regressive play.

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So it would make sense

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that we're going to see regressive behavior

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in the regressive stage.

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So sometimes we will just watch kids

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as they go through

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some of that part of therapy.

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The regression actually is regressing back to infantile behavior,

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baby talk,

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baby mannerisms,

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sucking out of bottles,

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sucking on pacifiers,

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curling up and wanting to be rocked.

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That's not always what regressive play looks like,

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but often it is.

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So we just understand that this is often a standard part of

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sessions #1.

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2nd option is

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kids will often regress back to infantile behavior

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because it is their understanding and awareness

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of when they were at their most vulnerable

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and therefore needed the most safety and love and care and protection.

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So sometimes they will

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revert back to that infantile state.

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that it's because that is when they either felt

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the most safe and nurtured and protected and loved

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and cared for or they're rewriting their narrative and

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they actually desperately need and want those things.

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So if they act baby like or infantile,

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someone will meet their needs.

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That's another option.

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Third option

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is this might be a pervasive trait not just in the playroom.

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Oftentimes if kids are speaking in a baby voice or using baby talk and play session,

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it's not the only place and not the only relationship in which they do it.

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So if this is a pattern of behavior,

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then it's likely conditioned.

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In other words,

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if they speak like a baby

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when they're tired,

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if they speak like a baby when they're bored,

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if they speak like a baby to get their way,

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if they speak like a baby with their parents with their teacher with their whomever,

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we know

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that they at one point

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they realized that

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they got a different reaction out of people when they spoke that way.

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And so now it has become a conditioned or habitual pattern of behavior,

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and they're not even really necessarily thinking

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about the fact that they're doing it.

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It's just something that's established and so it emerges

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just kind of almost as a default.

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So those are the typical reasons.

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but those are the three most standard reasons why

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you experience baby talk or baby voice in a playroom.

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So then,

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you said you're wondering the best way to reflect this with them.

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we have to be really neutral in our response.

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So it's really important

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that we don't say.

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You're talking like a baby because that has a connotation.

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We don't say,

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you're using baby talk.

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That has a connotation.

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You have to be really clear

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on the neutrality of your response.

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So,

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you changed your voice.

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Or oh,

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you're talking differently now.

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Or you said that different.

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It has to be factual and neutral

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in nature.

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Why?

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Because the child can't receive it as loaded

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or critical or judgmental.

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everything in a play session is

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validated.

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It's meeting a need for the child in some way.

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So just like we wouldn't say,

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oh,

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you made a mess with those,

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even if that was good intentioned,

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even if it meant no harm.

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I think most of us would realize that it's not neutral to say,

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oh,

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you made a mess with the toys.

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There's a connotation there.

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And it's negative

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versus,

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you put all of those on the floor.

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It's very different.

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we wouldn't say,

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oh,

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you're talking like a baby.

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you're using a different voice

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or you change the way you're talking.

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See how there's so much more neutrality there.

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So that's the way we're going to acknowledge that now

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often what happens is when kids talk

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in that regressive or infantile type of speech,

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it can be hard to understand them.

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So the only time that we would address the fact that they're talking in that way

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is if we don't understand them.

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And what that would look like is,

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you're choosing to talk in that voice,

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but I don't understand what you're saying when you talk like that.

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And then they have a choice to either continue to talk in

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that voice and run the risk of you not understanding them,

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or they will go back to their regular

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speaking voice and then you'll better understand them and

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you'll say oh you chose to talk in the other voice and I understood you that time.

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It wasn't meant to be persuasive to get them to stop talking in a baby voice.

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It's just communicating that you don't understand them

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and then they decide which is more important.

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Sometimes they keep talking in a baby voice because that's more important to them.

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But the goal is never to dissuade them from speaking that way.

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The goal is never to persuade them to speak in a different way.

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The goal is always

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to have them

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play and say whatever they need to.

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There's always a reason behind it

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and baby talk never lasts forever.

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I have never once worked with a child who has gone through an entire round of CCPT

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that has continued to talk in a baby voice the entire time and

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actually it's almost always very important

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and significant and noteworthy in a session

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when they come in and you make a note,

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oh,

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they didn't talk like that the whole session.

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That's a big moment.

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And so we look for those marks and those shifts

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as we work with the child,

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they will inevitably come.

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But you have to keep in mind there's a lot of precursors they have to have

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higher levels of self-esteem they have to

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build self-confidence they have to build coping,

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they have to have an emotional vocabulary.

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They have to feel safe.

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They there's all kinds of prerequisites

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before a child will stop that pattern of behavior.

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comes those changes and then you'll see that baby talk reduce and then eventually

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thank you so much for the question.

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I hope that that was helpful.

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If y'all wanna reach out to me,

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I'd love to hear from you,

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brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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You know how much I love hanging out with you.

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You know how much I love you.

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Please

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be so

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excited and passionate and proud

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about the work that you do.

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There is nothing like it in the whole world.

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Every day I'm grateful that this is my job.

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Every day I'm grateful

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that CCPT exists.

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Keep sight

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of your why

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keep sight of how much CCPT resonates with you.

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Keep sight in the trenches and in the ditches and in the throes

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of

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push back and resistance and argument and all the stuff that we deal with.

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I,

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I was asked on a Collective or a coaching call today.

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How many black eyes proverbial?

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How many black eyes have you received in the 20

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years of doing this when you advocate for CCPT?

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And I was like,

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oh boy,

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I,

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I,

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I lost count.

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This,

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this is not easy to be all in on this model,

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but it is worth it y'all,

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so don't lose sight of that be encouraged,

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know that you're loved,

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know that you can do this,

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and remember why you're doing this.

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That is the most important,

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the why matters,

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yes,

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hashtag it.

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love y'all,

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we'll talk again soon.

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bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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