Q&A, Pandemic & Beyond

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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are two working parents who love our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. We want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty six. We are talking well pandemic, as we always are, although this is through the context of doing a listener Q and A and people's Q and A staff tends to be focused on what we're dealing with now. But before we get into that, Sarah has a little semi professional, sort of our side gig announcement. Sarah, you want to tee that up? Yeah, So my first episode, actually my first two episodes of my new Planner podcast will launch in the coming Monday on August the third, So we're so excited. We are going to do a little bit more of a deep dive into what this podcast is going to be like on next Tuesday's episode. I wanted to do it that way so that you guys can while you're listening, go ahead and add that to your downloads right as you're doing it. I'll be so excited to have some of you join me there and I'll talk to you more about it next Tuesday. Yay. So you can now get Sarah twice a week, which is great, and read her blog as well. So please check out Best Laid Plans when that launches in a couple days. All right, Well, let's go ahead and dive into our listener questions, right or yes, although maybe you should share some of your happy news. This week, you had a really awesome launch of e book. Yeah, so the new Corner Office is out in the world if people want to get it. It's an ebook or an audio book, and Apple chose it as one of their must listens for July and their Apple Books sections. So that's pretty exciting. And yeah, have been doing a lot of publicity for it. I recorded a whole radio tour yesterday on a lot of different radio shows and podcasts, so hopefully people will be able to listen to me various places talking about it. So cool. That must have been such a fun surprise, Like whoa, I'm on Apple. Yay. All right, Well, we're going to just get down to what a lot of you guys have been. You know, I put out a call on Instagram, as we do, and this episode is a little bit special in that, you know, a lot of times we record really in advance, which you know is helpful for us. But because I've been a little bit more flexible recently, knowing that I have every Thursday essentially off, We've been able to record a little bit closer to the air date. So these questions are pretty hot off the press. I think I put out the call for them on like Tuesday, the twenty second, and this episode is going to air on the twenty eight. So these are your freshly baked questions and not a huge lag time for once, So I'm happy about that. I'm sorry I had a guest and had to reschedule that one. Yes, we had a guest get sick, and we hope that she's doing okay, but we will look forward to welcoming her in the future. All right, So the one question I got many permutations of the same question, and it's what seems to be dominating my podcast feed, or at least all the parenting podcasts that I listen to right now are drum roll just kidding? What are your plans for school in the fall? A hot button question for reasons I don't really understand. I wish people could just choose, if they have a choice, like what they're doing, and then be happy with their choice and let other people be happy with theirs. That sounds like quite an idea. I can see why there's third for for different because nobody knows what to do, so it's just helpful to hear what others thought ssses are. And there is the tendency in our culture, at least as it stands with social media, to kind of look up to certain people and so you kind of want to know, oh, what did they do? So I get it. I mean, I know what you mean, Like, I guess what you're trying to say is it's really a very individualized choice. So in a way, like you can't look at anybody else's decision or thought process and use that to make decision for yourself because all the variables are probably going to be different. But people still want to know. So, Sarah, what are you doing? Yeah, so as of now, and again, who knows, things could change. But I did make the decision to enroll my rising first grader in a private school, which is the same school that my toddler attended. It's like a Montessori that goes all the way through middle school. I really liked the school, and to be completely transparent, my husband and I were considering having him make this transition anyway, just because of his learning styles and fit with the traditional public school setting. Didn't go completely bump free in his last year. So to the three months of distance learning. Yeah, yeah, correct, So this was not like a fresh new idea. We had thought about it anyway, but then having gone through those months of distance learning and observed that certain things were just not you know, it seemed I don't want to say, like emotional damage, but it was taking a toll on all of us, and I don't think there was much learning happening. And I also don't want I don't know, I don't want to have him look back and think of his beginnings of school being traumatic and therefore have like a forever hatred of learning developed. Plus it was just sort of torture personally, so for many and I think our nanny was also struggling, completely understandably because you know, she's a fantastic nanny, but she's not really a teacher, and neither am I and able to care for two older kids with complicated teaching schedules while watching a toddler, so I knew that I wanted, if possible, something different than what we were doing. And so this school has very small classrooms and is able to separate the kids into pods, and they're planning on an in person start to the school year. So I called them. They initially did not have a spot, and then one opened, so I took it. So Key and Genevieve will be going, and Annabel will be continuing virtual school at home throughout public school system because for her it worked pretty well, and so I don't see any reason to change things. On that note, sounds good. Yeah, we don't start till after Labor Day, so it's unclear at this point. They haven't announced what's going on yet. I have high hopes for in person in our district. Pennsylvania got slammed with COVID in the spring, but the net result is that the caseloads are relatively low here at the moment. Obviously that could change. The issue I see with this is that people are going to be really trigger happy with closing stuff. So if, for instance, you know, a close family member of a kid tests positive, it is entirely possible that they will then send that class home for two weeks, like and it's ridiculous, but it could totally happen. And so I think everyone needs to be prepared for that, understanding that there's going to be massive gaps in this. So I mean, our preschool is supposed to be open in person, that is their stated goal they so Alex would at least be there for half a day. He's supposed to be in the public school for half a day. I hope that the public schools will open that if they do a hybrid model, the elementary school will go full time and they'll have the older kids do distance learning or something. I from what I read, at least our superintendent is looking at this more as an equity issue, which to be as great as opposed to like, let's listen to the people who think that any risk ever is bad because they're not evaluating that there's always risks of everything, but you never know. So we you know, have a full time nanny for the baby, so that's great, but I'm planning on having at least a second part time person, and my goal is to hire somebody who's got some flexibility so that if we do have kids home at various points, we can double up there and you know, have coverage in that sense, because yeah, I same thing with the little kids. The distance learning is really really hard. Jasper did fine with it, and I think that's probably the case that a lot of people are experiencing that. You know, middle school and high schoolers have a bit more ability to do it well, whereas young children. It's very challenging. So I would love to send the kids in person five days a week, and that is my hope that will happen. If it doesn't, I will deal with it, and we hope we do understand other perspectives. If you feel differently, if your risks are different, if you have a medically complex child, if you are just have different calculations of what kinds of things you're willing to accept. I mean, I personally think that's completely valid. So I hope that that goes both ways. And we don't get too much angry. What do I mean backlash? People should just do what they want to do, and you don't need to criticize other people. And that's the thing that's really bothering me. Did you see that, love There's a great meme about that that I actually really like, like a positive meme, and it said something like, you're choosing to homeschool. Your reaction should be, I'm so proud of you for making that decision. You're choosing to send to your schools, sending your children to school. I'm so proud of you for, you know, working hard to make that decision you're choosing to do X y Z. I'm so so we should all I guess the take home is like we should all support each other and be proud of the parents for going through a thoughtful process to figure out what's right for their kids, whatever their choice may be. All right, yay, moving on. We're never going to get through all these questions, I know, but you inquiring minds wanted to know exactly all right, So oh, here's a good one for Laura. Hopefully she's willing to answer it. Do you prefer the trade off of Michael being home more plus the kids being home. Or was it better when he was going on business trips and your children got to attend school. Yes, that is the trade off of this, right that the same thing that has kept them home has kept him home too, And presumably as it becomes possible for them to go back to school, he will be back with doing what he had done before as well. I don't know. I mean, I hope for a situation that it's dialed down a bit. I certainly think that business travel will change in general, partly because you know, the whole consulting thing. You go to different companies, and that's more of a viral transmission risk than somebody who just goes to their pod of colleagues. You know, you work with the same ten colleagues over and over, you're not being exposed a whole lot of new stuff, whereas if you're sending people from company to company, there's more of that. So I assume that a lot of that will continue to be distanced for a while. So theoretically we could, I'm just such an optimistic person. We'll get a world where the kids go back to school, but he's still like working from home, and that's what we call best of both worlds. I won't happen. I was just thinking that if some of the companies that he would consult for are now figuring out that remon't work is better for their employees, there may not be as many physical spaces that you would need to go to anyway, that's my optimisty. Yeah. Well, and everyone's gotten used to this idea that you can say pitch business or zoom and given that, the whole concern was like, well, if somebody's paying you big bucks, you want to be there in person, right. I mean maybe in the future they'll get back to that, but at the moment a lot of that has changed, so we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. I like I've been asked this question in my radio tours about twenty times, like how is the work going to change? And I do think a lot more places will shift the balance of how often you are supposed to be anywhere in person, and generally that's a good thing. I mean, you know, so much of gas and time has been spent with people commuting just to email and call people in other places. So I'm glad to see that change and how people work awesome, good answer all right. Question three, do you have your kids do any chores? Any suggestions for age four and six? I will preface this by saying that there's a reader of my blog who has her own blog called Grateful k K A E. It's very nice. She kind of has done a daily pandemic streak for the most part as well, and she posted about chores on Instagram on her personal account, and she hashtag chores and this angry mob of people like comment after comment about how like having your children do chores is abusive and she's likes, but I'm just trying to get them to clean up their toy Like what on art? How is that abusive? Like what do you think she's doing? Like? It was very it seemed very niche. It was. It was clearly like one group of one group of people a little b in their bonnets about something like really, so, anyway, don't ever post. If you're going to post, just don't use that hashtag. Apparently I know. So I will answer for myself in that I am open to my children doing more chores. I'm sure certainly not anti hashtag chores. We don't have them do that many chores right now? They are supposed to bring their plates to the table after dinner. They do have to clean up toy messes that they themselves make, although that can get a little hairy because the biggest mess maker is the least able to clean up. Yeah, exactly, So there can be little tips about that, but a lot of times we just sort of say, well, that's fine, you know, you don't have to clean up, but you're not watching a movie until this house, you know, doesn't have a layer of toys on top of it, And so that's sort of considered their chore and they'll do it. They are. They sometimes help set the table I would like to get them to do that more consistently. I find that they're so grumpy at that particular hour that it's hard to get them to comply. Like I think they'd probably set the table for breakfast pretty happily, but that before dinner is not not anyone's finest moment. And then I will say, they are very eager to help with cooking, but it's not at least want them to help with terribly helpful. What about you guys. Yeah, we got through patches of being better and worse about this. Like I was teaching kids how to do dishes, so that you know happened for a while, But then you know you have to keep asking them to, like, you know, go do it and assign somebody, and there's always grumbling. But the one problem is, you know, I have sort of three children close in age who are quite capable of helping to empty the dishwasher. But if I find like one of them who's in the kitchen to do it, I'll get a lot of grumbling like, well I can't who wants to help? Or you know, if I ask all three of them to do it, then there's a murderous rampage about like who does the easiest approach. I think it's putting the silverware away, I think, with various arguments about who's tall enough to reach the dishes and other such things. We're definitely working on. They all need to put their own clothes away after laundry is done, but then kind of just sits in the hallway for days to be there. Don't your clothes sometimes sit please? Yeah? Yeah, in the hallway for days too. So on some level I was like, well, I mean, I my daughter went to her grandparents for the weekend, and her little backpack is still sitting there full of clothes, and I'm like, well, on the other hand, my suitcase from the beach is still there, slowly emptying out again. I love it. All Right, We're gonna take a quick break and then we are going to get back to the next question. All right, we are back with question number four, which I think is a fun one because I always like discussing anything finance or personal finance. Where do you skimp and where do you splurge? We want to go first, Well, I'm not a huge splurger on all that much. I mean, I guess probably relatively average person stuff like childcare. You know, we live in a larger house than the average family because there are more of us, for instance. But books, I have definitely decided that I'm aokay with spending whatever on ebooks because it's something I can do while nursing, and I don't really have the patience to order from an independent bookstore and wait for it to show up. So I'm just spending a lot on Amazon ebooks and letting myself be okay with that and not much else. My husband. My husband splurges on food. I guess say your costco runs are prettymous I don't. He does all the groceries shopping now he's got his pandemic routine. This is something that he's started doing since a lockdown. That he's the one who goes to the grocery store in Costco and all that, and he definitely buys a lot more than I would. My general thought is I don't like to waste food, for instance, and so I would underbuy so that we wouldn't have that problem, Whereas I think he tends to buy more stuff off on the idea that we don't want to run out. So these are just various different ways of looking at the situation. And because of that, he will often buy a lot of stuff when he goes. But on the other hand, I mean, we don't actually throw away all that much food. And we have a lot of people here between, you know, seven of us and e sider like so eight people during the week and you know occasionally have like my parents over on weekends and stuff, and yeah, so it's not like there's a small number of people to be fed. So yeah, okay, groceries, we probably relative to the average family splurge there too. I mean, I would say, for you, the only other thing that comes to mind is maybe kids' activities, Like I don't ever imagine you denying your child like some camp or something they wanted to explore because of the cost. Yes, that's true. I will generally do that and not look at what the particular cost is for it. And we had the whole thing, you know, I chose one of these very sort of price day camp around here, but then they canceled for the summer. Yeah, wound up rolling the tuition to next year with a credit. So I guess they're going to have to go. How about you a lot, I would say, Well, I said a skipped on income tax. I'm just kidding. No, I meant state income tax because we chose to live in it has no income tax, and that actually has a relatively low cost of living. So I'd say that's sort of part of our skimp, at least once we miss it. No, that's true. And if we have the East Coast listeners who are looking for a low cost East Coast state, I would recommend Pennsylvania. If you are not in Philadelphia, it's a flat three percent rate, which is much lower than say New York, New Jersey and other such things. The people who live who work around Philadelphia but choose to live on the Jersey side. That is a fairly expensive choice versus living on the Pennsylvania side of it outside of the city. So just putting that out there. If any East Coast listeners are are looking for options, there you go. I also like Pennsylvania for other reasons. Okay, so cars. I drive a nearly ten year old Prius and plan to drive it until it has significant issues which knock on some stuff it hasn't. I use the library, although I do buy books too, and actually books I have to say, like it's one of those splurges where like you can feel like you are treating yourself, but like it doesn't actually add up to them. No, it's like each book. Yeah, Like even if you're like, I'm gonna buy one hundred and twenty dollars books this year, I mean that's a lot. That would be two thousand dollars, But you could easily buy one handbag that is two thousand dollars, and let me tell you, I would get you mind. I don't think I could easily buy it. I would feel bad. I could not easily buy that either. But I have friends that do the two hundred books would bring me so much more joy. I mean, I can say, so, okay, so books, I splurge on my hair straining, I splurge on oh and sorry, one more savings. Things I would say that, like the phones and technology and toys and clothes, especially for the kids. I used to think it was more of a splurs but now I feel like, you know what, I don't buy that often, Like I try not to quote unquote shop. I just buy when I'm like, oh my god, we're out of clothes, we need something, And then I don't buy like eight million things when it comes to toys or clothes or anything like that. In fact, I hate buying toys because I feel like just from gifts and like hand me downs and stuff, we get plenty of stuff to the point where we don't need to buy anything. Ever, so our problem is like nobody around here shops for clothes. And there's a bit of an issue with this because like the kids, I mean, nobody's really going all that many places right now, so it hasn't really mattered all that much. But you know, kids like all their holes will have socks will have holes in them, you know, pants have holes in them. I mean, you know, why do pajama pants always get holes in the knees? We have this problem. But then I'm like, yeah, who cares anyway, So splurge I was going to say, pre COVID travel childcare one hundred percent. I splurge on our school decision. To me, feels like a big splurge camps And then I think I said straightening already, and then Sephora. Sometimes there we go, not in a ridiculous extent, but I do like my nice skincare seems to bring a disproportionate amount of pleasure, so I'm going to keep doing it. There you go, all right? Best ideas for time blocking? You know, I think we had a whole discussion what time blocking means. I guess that is choosing a chunk of time to focus on one particular activity and then another chunk of time to focus on a different activity. People who really get into this will do this day after day or have a block during the week. And so say Monday is always mourning for research, and like twelve to two for administration, and like two to five for meetings or something like that. And the idea is that that you know, there is a time devoted to a particular activity in your life, and so you make progress on all these things. And ideally, if you are only focused on that activity during this time, you can get quite a bit done. So how's that working for you, Sarah. I don't think I'm actually an extreme time blocker, in part because some of my work constraints are not really under my control. Like if I have to go to the quality and safety meeting, I don't get to like pick to when it is. But what I do in terms of time blocking is I'll look at my week and if I know I have a big project I need to get done. I was very stressed about a project last week. I was like, where are my blank spots? Because I need to like claim it as a block for this project or it's never going to get done and I'm going to be stressed out about it. And just the act of dedicating that time number one took some of the stress away because I sort of knew that that's when I was going to handle it. And number two, from a practical standpoint, prevented me from putting other things in that slot so I can actually get the thing done. And so I mean last week I was pretty successful with this. I find it works best if I really have a goal it's important, and I find myself grading against it when maybe I didn't select my goal carefully enough, like maybe it wasn't something that really needed to be done, or it wasn't clearly defined. I had this document that I basically had to complete with all sorts of information about our residency program. That took a while to compile everything, and there was some writing components of it, and so I felt like the blocking worked really well when I knew it was like I have to get this done. I also find that breaking up a project can be helpful because if I were to put a time block and write work on my new podcast, like what does that mean? But if it's like, no, choose the logo, pick your music, and record an intro, and I know, like I only have two hours to do that, I'm going to have a pretty good chance of successfully focusing on what I need to do because it's been defined and it's doable, but I'm not. That's that's sort of good basic one oh one productivity advice here, like never put work on something on your to do list because that is so nebulous, Like what does it even mean to work on something like list what you're going to accomplish and so choose the music, choose the logo, buy the equipment necessary, or whatever it is that is you know it's a set, concrete task because then it is doable and you know when you are done. Whereas how do you even know if you're done on working on so and so? I mean you're never done, like you could work on it forever. So it helps. It just helps have a better sense of what it means to be to accomplish your result. Yeah. I love the concept of time blocking, but like I also, sometimes I feel like it's taken to an extreme that does more negative than good. Yeah, I don't know. I'd love to hear from people, different people on how they use it and what works and what doesn't. I think it's interesting, all right, Question number six tips on moving. I can talk about that one because I did do this twice, and they said specifically to a new house with a young child across country or world. Well, I have no experiences the worldwide moves whatsoever, although I will admit that we thought about it back in twenty sixteen and may think about it again. We'll see what happens. I'm not sure there are that many countries that want Americans anymore. Okay, sorry, too political. Anyway, we moved twice, both times with toddler's the first time not across the country but all the way down the coast from North Carolina to Florida, and then the second time fairly locally, again with a toddler, but this time with three kids. And I guess my takeaway is, like things, it's painful for like a week or so, but I mean it's the actual act of the move, and the children adjusting did not turn out to be nearly as big a deal as one might think. I actually think it's probably a lot harder with older children who have really cemented really good friendships, Like you know, thinking about uprooting Genevieve now, like who cares. She wouldn't care, she'd be happy anywhere, but Annabelle probably would have tears and big emotions about you know, some of the close friends that she's made here. So I actually think younger is probably a better time, or at least an easier time. And then I'll say, like the short term part is not that bad. I would outsource whatever you possibly can, including if there's an opportunity to put in your contract the covering of moving expansions that that kind of takes a lot of the pain out of out of outsourcing that. But the hard part for me has been because if we're still not there yet the rebuilding of social connections, because oh my god, that takes forever, and in a way, you don't know what you lose until you've really lost it. I mean, I still get sad when I get like book club invitations in Miami Beach and like, actually, now they're on Zoom, so I theoretically could go, but I feel like a part of that community anymore. So it's just like weird, and I'm like, well, I don't have a book club here, Like I don't really, you know, we've been here a year and a half. But I keep reminding myself, like I think we were in Miami Beach for like four or five years before I was like, oh I have friends now. It took that long, and luckily we're not that far. So some of my Miami Beach friends are still my friends and I can still actually see them when you know there's no pandemic going on. But like, it takes a long time. To have a tribe, and I think it's on the order of years, not months in my experience, So you have to be patient and willing to deal with that. Yeah, I have friendships are hard as a working parent anyway, in terms of they tend to get pushed to the bottom of the list. So yes, it's hard when you move to make new ones. But on the other hand, it's hard to make them in the first place. So it's uh, we haven't really moved that much. So we moved once from New York to Pennsylvania, but the kids were four and one at the time, and you know, it was rough at the beginning, but then yeah, you adjust eventually and figure it out all right. Perspectives and going from one to two children in terms of ideal spacing and impact on career, hmm, I don't know. I do the US people keep asking this question. I wonder if they feel like there's going to be some study to be like, actually, if you have exactly two point eight years between kids, this is the least impact on career and the most like happiness in terms of kids still interacting and you know, you not feeling like you completely went back into the baby stage. I don't know, Like, do people think there's an exact answer to this, Well, there have been studies in the ob world about like the healthiest time, like the spacing they will give you the least chance of complications, and I believe it's something like three or three and a half years. Don't quote me on that. I am not an obgui n. But I remember when I was pregnant with Cameron reading about that and being like, oh no, like my uterus has been overused. So I guess there is some science on that. I will say, like to me, the two well, the impact on career, I don't know. I don't. I think that has more to do with your choices and your support system than it does on like the sheer number of children or the spacing. So I just don't think that that should play a big part in your decision making. But in terms of like lifestyle and easiness, and like, I don't know, I do feel like the baby toddler combo is a rough mix. So if you're someone who just doesn't like to be extremely acutely stressed out, like you may want to space your kids a little bit farther than that. Because when my kids were like six months and like not even three. That was really hard, much harder than say, actually having three kids and having one of them be you know, almost four years, Like my baby was almost four years younger than my second youngest child. So however, there's like the other side to that, which is that as they get older in age, out of that very hands on stage, kids that are closer in age might might no guarantees be better playmates or be more you know, easy to put in the same school or same activities or things like that. So then you know, like if people have twins, there's some sort of savings and I don't know, convenience or something, so so you know, there's there's like a trade off there, Like I think it can be hard if kids are ten years apart, although ten year olds are probably pretty helpful. Hashtag chores just kid don't flame us anyway, So I guess I will say from a personal standpoint, I've found a slightly bigger space, just a little bit more life friendly. Put it that way. Yeah, I have to say, I mean, babies are always hard, and I'm definitely having a rough time with this little one. I mean, I'm not sleeping very well at all, and you know the fact that he won't. I mean, I've started doing solid foods. That's good, but you know, he has a rough time taking anything other than me, so I'm like breastfeeding around the clock. That said, it's really nice that the other four don't generally need to be watched. I feel like there's less of a sense of like constantly as you know had when I had, say a four year old to two year old and a baby that you're kind of like counting minutes like as you're watching all of them, because it's only one who really needs the constant watching. So you know, that's there is something to be said for those those larger age gaps. On the other hand, Yeah, as you said, the kids have more in common when they are closer together in age. And I do wonder, you know, if Henry will feel left out on someone maybe just hopefully everyone will dote on him and it'll be great. Okay. I think we have time for like one or two more? Right, one more? Okay, So you choose you're going to have to turn on your microphone, Sarah, I think you muted yourself. Wow, yeah, that'll work better. Okay. So I think we should finish up with number eight here, which is because we're both on video and I don't think we're following any of these tips right now, but says best video appearance tips working from home. Well, I think the first thing you want to do is good lighting and a good sort of backdrop and that perspective, because I mean, the lighting has more to do with how you look than pretty much anything else. And if you have bad lighting, you're going to look washed out, and that's you know, a whole host of makeup will not help with that. So experiment with the lighting to make sure that you've got it. Usually you want it on your face to a degree, but off to the side. There's a whole thing with this that you have to kind of warm lighting. Experiment, just i'll say experiment. You can read up some like YouTube tutorials on how people who do this kind of professionally how they lighting up. I think lipstick goes a long way. Solid colors like not too busy. People who do a lot of on camera work are told to wear kind of bright solid jewel tones, so blue green, you know, a nice sort of not too bubbly pink, like more deeper pink like your shirt. Well, yeah, I guess that's what I'm wearing right now. And you know, some people like to have a little structure around the collar that that helps frame your face on a video, especially you know, we've got a smaller screen. It doesn't matter as much when you're in a big room and having a meeting, but if you're in a small square, having some sort of collar around your face can can frame it nicely. And if you have any sort of you know, self consciousness about your neck for whatever reason that is, that that's helpful as well. For that perspective. Care nexists could be cute too, but not if it's jangly when you like move around, that would be bad. Well, And on that note, we have another fun of the video little visitor coming to see me that has happened. Yeah, I lock my door when I'm seeing patients because yesterday Genevieve walked in and someone that's dealing with their sick child doesn't necessarily want to see my cute, healthy child in the background, so and I respect that. So I'm like, no, no kid down the screen exactly, all right. Well, I have to go deal with this hangnail issue, So that will be the end of this episode. This has been Episode one hundred. Didn't do a Love of the Weed. Oh, we didn't do a Love of the wi Oh okay, do you want to do your Love of the week. I just have to come up with something very off the cuff. Oh okay. I have this benetitent little blush that I'm not wearing right now, but it's lasted like three years and it smells like roses. And I do think a little bit of cheek color can also be helpful on your zoom. So very user friendly. Just put a couple of drops and you just kind of blend it in. I don't really think you can mess it up. And it comes in a cute little container with liquid and a brush. So penitent. Cool. Yeah. I've been using various skincare, like you know, facek. I'm not wearing makeup anymore. I gave that up with the pandemic. But the Thrive Cosmetics fashwash and also one from Ulla Hendrickson. I do one in the morning and one at the night, and I feel like it's helped to some degree. That's me. Thrive was a sponsor, and I'm a sponsor. Henrickson was a sponsor of one of my other podcasts too, so this is you know, I'm trying out the stuff and I can recommend both of them. So there. Yeah, I just broke into my thrive as well because it took me forever and I really like it actually, so h there you go. All right, Well, this has been Best at Both world Episode one fifty six. We will be back next week with more on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more on making work and life work together.