Ep:97 33 Years of Bigfoot

That's something I've always thought about, is follow the footprints. You know,
if you're out there and you find footprints, just try to follow them.
Learn what to look for when you see that stuff, shelters, whatever it
is. Just start looking for footprints and you'll find them. We've found footprints
in Zion National Park. We've found footprints in Yellowstone. They start to pop
out at you. And if you can find those footprints, just follow them.
I have found them in a field where they just stop and there's no
other footprints in a snowy field. I don't know how to explain that.
Out in the Oregon woods, Yeah, there's lots of strange out there.
There's lots of strange stuff. Way out in the woods. You find the
weirdest things. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. I'm Matt. I hope everyone had
a good holiday season. I am back from my little hiatus break that I
took, and I am joined by Jack. Jack reshot to me through email.
He apparently was found me before my Bigfoot Crossroads days and shared his story
with me. He's been journaling his experiences with Bigfoot in the evidence findings he's
had for the past thirty three years. Is it Jack, Yes, yeah,
nineteen ninety. Wow. Well, I mean, welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.
Jack, thanks for joining me in sharing your story if you don't mind,
just you know, kind of take her from the top. Okay.
So to give a little background, I when I was two weeks old,
my parents went on their annual deer hunt. So my poor mother had to
take me at two weeks old to camp at at ten. But we hunted
every year, and so it's something I've always done. And we friend of
mine showed me a place in southern Oregon where I had moved to, and
it's way back in the woods, and it was an abandoned cabin and fruit
trees and a little spring. And so a friend of mine and I went
out there and we saw where it looked like a couple of bears had had
a big territorial dispute. And then I found this huge footprint in the ground.
It was about it was eighteen inches long, and I had no clue
that it was a big foot. I saw it was a huge bear,
and I wondered about it for I took pictures of it and everything. And
one day I was in a big wildlife zoo kind of thing on the coast
of Oregon, and I was looking at two six hundred pound bears and their
back feet weren't even bigger than mine. And I thought, oh my gosh,
what was that? You know, I started looking, and that was
the beginning I was starting to find bigfoot, look for bigfoot. It was
probably year and a half or two after that that we were out hunting and
came walking down the path back to the vehicle and saw another giant footprint and
kind of followed it out of a tree that was about three four inches around,
probably ten feet up. It was snapped off and the top was thrown
twenty feet away, and the footprints were eighteen inches. They were six feet
strides, and I just we couldn't believe it. And on the way home,
we're driving along and I'm looking down the side of the road steep hill
and all of a sudden he came to a clearing because it's heavy woods,
and here's a monster standing there with an arm around a tree out looking at
us go by. He had kind of kind of a reddish brown eyes.
His face was huge and tan almost looked Jondae big nose mouth, and he
was he had muscles like I've never seen before, huge shoulders, big arms
sticking out with the hand, and he just watched us go by, and
I just alert stop. And when we drove back, he was gone.
Being out in the woods. I mean at two weeks, you know,
that's that's about as an early start as anybody can get. I mean,
I assume that you know you had at this point spent quite a bit of
time in the woods, uh, hunting animals and everything. Oh yeah,
and that that first track, that was the first time, in hindsight now
looking back, that you ever noticed anything out of the ordinary. Yeah,
I mean we we could see there where there were bear tracks, and logs
were clawed up and and you know, just little trees pushed over and there's
a spring right there. And then we found that track, and yeah,
what a shock. It's something that you know, I talk to people quite
often about this, growing up in a family of outdoorsmen myself and spending time
in the woods. You know a lot of times you hear hunters even talk
about, well, if there was something out there, you know, I
would have seen it by now. I would have seen its tracks or something.
And I try to explain to people that, you know, whenever you're
hunting whatever game it is that you're hunting for at the time, that's the
sign that you're looking for exactly. And it wasn't until I started looking for
bigfoot sign that I actually started seeing it. Was that your experience as well?
Yeah, yeah, because you go out and if you're learning for bear,
you look for bear, deer, whatever it is, and you're really
not paying a lot of attention to that. And then once you see one
of those tracks and you start going out and looking for them, they just
pop right out of the ground at you, just like a deer track,
wood or a bear. You know, they're all of a sudden there you
start noticing them everywhere. That one that you saw in the clearing, How
fast were you going, how long did you see it? What were those
initial thoughts? Yeah, so we were done with our hunt, got back
in the vehicle and it had gone down the dirt road and got on pavement
board, I don't know, probably doing thirty forty else an hour down a
steep mountain road, you know, and I was just he was driving.
I was just looking out and watching the canyon and it was probably seconds that
I saw him, but he was he was so amazing and huge and scary
looking. Then that's probably all I needed that time. He looked like he
could run right up that hill and grab our car and throw it, you
know, one hundred feet. He was monstrous and never seen anything like that.
Did you instantly recognize what it was? Well? Oh, yeah,
I mean, I mean I'd never really been into big foot, but you
know, when can you see something like that? I mean, I think
I've seen every animal out there in the woods in Oregon except for that,
And when I saw that, it was just like, I mean, that's
all you can think of, because it's nothing else that it could be.
So after you saw that one, did you start actively pursuing these things and
trying to find them? Yeah? I did. I you know, I
took time and we thought about it and being right there in Oregon, You've
got all the forest and mountains, and we would we start going out probably
three or four days a week prior to uh, you know, finding the
podcast and the internet and everything. You know, the timeline of events.
You said that that siding took place in nineteen ninety or around thereabouts. Yeah,
it's probably about ninety one. I saw the footprint in ninety It was
probably a year later or so that and I saw that I got on the
internet around nineteen ninety eight and really got involved in the big foot world around
two thousand and whenever I got into it on the internet, there really there
was a community going, but there weren't that many resources available at the time.
So I imagine, you know, early nineties, how did you go
about it, Like, you know, how did you go about that,
like finding people to go out with or what to even look for or anything.
Did you just kind of approach it the same way you did your hunting.
Yeah, so my buddy and I mean, we were just kind of
like, wow, these things are out there. And so we were hunting
deer, elk or cougar bear, and we'd always look. We'd always uh,
you know, just keep our eyes open. We weren't into it as
much as in later years, but we were always looking for stuff. We'd
find a broken you know, a branch, uh you know, and wonder,
well, so I'm a drone tree is prevalent there. It's kind of
like a manseni, but it's a big tree. It's kind of like like
iron wood. They're really tough, and we would find two inch three inch
branches broken, and we're like, well, what can do that? You
know, bear can't do that. Cougars you have to have hands to break
something like that. And we tried to break them and we couldn't. So
I again start picturing that monster I saw, think of, well he could
break that. And I had those pictures in my blueprint shop. And I
had a woman contractor come in and she's standing there waiting for me, and
she looks at that picture and she says, where'd you get that picture?
And I said, out here in the woods. She says, well,
I lived in Alaska for twelve or fifteen years. I've seen footprints like that,
but they have claw marks. That one doesn't have a claw mark?
Is that a big foot track? And I, you know, I'm like,
I think it is, So you know, that's that kind of stuff
just spurred beyond. Yeah, more just to keep looking. Were you journaling
the whole time? Yeah? I would. I would write stuff down and
and I've taken thousands of pictures. I always carried a camera, a thirty
five millimeter. You just always were aware, you know, trying to figure
out what's going on. So we we would we would varmint hunt for cougar
and bear in that force. I found a bear called by Wayne Carlton,
who makes lots of animal calls, and we would use that and Baron cougar
would come in. But two different times we had we could hear him walking
in the in the leaves and stuff, but heard tree knocks or rock clacks,
like three of them. This one time we had them. My friend
told me to stop and we heard three rock three rock clacks or maybe tree
knocks sounded like tree knocks right by us in the trees because we were out
in a meadow and then had three tree knocks lighter ones one hundred feet off
to the north west, and you know, at that point we were like,
either somebody's here or what is that? It's that bigfoot. So we
left and they followed us out and we hunted that whole mountain and never saw
another vehicle anyway. So that was another time that we're thinking, why what's
going on? So I think they were coming in because we were acting like
a dying animal making those sounds, and I think they were hungry. Whenever
I was reading through your journal at the very beginning of it, you immediately
address, you know, what are these things? Are they some sort of
you know, animal, or are they some kind of man? And you
talk about their footprints and everything. What are your thoughts on that? What
do you what do you think these things are? You know? They asking
myself that all the time. I have no idea what they really are.
I mean, I look at them and they're in the shape of a human.
They have hands, feet, you know, bodies, muscles, a
head, they don't some of them look human. Some look apish. I
you know, I know they're flesh and blood. They they eat, they
you know, they like to watch us. But as far as exactly what
they are, I have no idea. I mean, and I've looked at
this and I've seen zero and it's like, I don't know what this is.
It's actually human. What are some of the other encounters that you've had
with them? So I left Oregon and moved to Utah. We retired,
and we moved to Utah, and a friend of mine that lived there,
he was retired. He moved out to Utah and so we started going out
and I saw one that was a juvenile. It was about my size,
doing the same thing, arm around a tree, hanging out watching us go
by. I didn't see his face, but I saw his body and an
arm, and the sun was setting behind us, and it was going through
his hair, lighting his hair up is how I noticed him, and on
his arm. And you know the thing is you can see these and then
stop and back up and they're gone. I don't know if he climbed a
tree or what was It was on the other side of a creek where he
went, but I couldn't see him or hear him anymore. So when we
moved in Utah, I figured, well, I'm probably not going to be
seeing any bigfoot anymore. You know. It's just didn't I didn't think they
were in Utah. And it turns out that there's a lot of them in
Utah. It's high desert, and but they're there. We you know,
once you start looking for footprints. Every place where he and I went,
we looked for footprints or some kind of you know, evidence, and I
was amazed how many big foot there are. Were the footprints you found in
Utah similar or the same as the type you'd find an Oregon. Did you
notice any differences? I didn't notice any difference. I found bigger footprints,
and I found that that one of them when we're twenty inch footprints. Wow.
And I found that as we were driving down a dirt road out there,
kind of keeping an eye, I got a glimpse of something black go
behind the trees and I just thought, well, that's probably a black angus
because there's a lot of cattle grazing out there. And as we drove by,
sounded like somebody had shot a high powered gun, and we stopped and
started looking around, heard a bunch of racket and then found twenty in footprints.
So I think he got man broke a big branch off and we ended
up finding his footprints within like a fifteen mile radius of where we first sign
and he I think he was that alpha male in that area. You said
you thought he was a black angle a cow at first, so similar size?
Is that why you thought that? Like? How big was he?
No? I just saw well, after we stopped and looked, he was.
He had to be huge. He had to be eight or nine feet
tall, because as we looked around, I saw him in between two trees
and it was pretty high. I just saw a flash of black and I
thought, well, you know, it was a cow. But as we
looked around, yeah, we saw those twenty in footprints. It's amazing.
Going back to the juvenile that you saw, assuming it was a juvenile,
was it built proportionally the same as the first one you saw? No,
No, he was, I say, I don't know if it was a
or she. He was kind of chubby, had long not skinny arms,
but not major muscular muscular. He was just like just like a human.
He was purportioning the same way, you know, just a little chubby,
a little you know, long arms. Because I only saw I didn't see
the head, but I saw his chest, part of his stomach, a
leg in an arm, and he didn't look like a giant. What kind
of distance are we talking about? How far away was he? Oh?
Ten feet? I could see every hair he had on him. Yeah,
it was fired all because that HV trail went right by the creek and as
I came to a corner, that's when I saw the glistening hair and looked
up and he was right there. I had a strange feeling in that area.
It just it was extremely quiet. I had driven up close to that
area and stopped and waited for my friend to catch up to me, and
it was just quiet. I mean, there was no noise, just kind
of felt eerie. But when he caught up, we just took off and
there were huge rock walls in that area. Yeah, later years, a
few years down the road, we were in that area and came to a
real steep hill came off the trade mountain down to the road, and you
could see footprints coming down the side of the hill and then other footprints that
looked like somebody jumped from the top, landed, turned and walked down,
And I thought, I wonder if that's the juvenile. You know, there's
a lot of theories out there about these things and especially their behavior, and
one of those heavily debated topics is are these things migratory or are they territorial?
What are your thoughts on that. Do these things stay in the same
area year round or do they move from place to place? What do you
think? Yeah, from my experience, they stay in the same place.
Yeah, it may be twenty or thirty miles, but they stay in the
same place. They follow the deer, you know. There when it would
snow, the deer would head to below the snow line into a warmer place
and we would find their tracks following them. So I think they stay there
and I don't think they go real far. Do you think they're living in
like family units or large groups? How do you think they live communally?
I think they hang out in family groups because I say it because where I
lived there in southern Utah, we had three of them that we would see
and find and they would come by the house. They would seem like they
would show up at three three thirty in the morning, and there were several
times that I woke up heard him outside and heard him walk away, and
my friend Chuck he was He was living in his travel trailer there on my
property, and they would bang on his trailer and harass him a little bit.
And we found that we put trail cameras out there, they wouldn't come
by, or if they came by, they wouldn't harass es. It'd stay
away. So that was even if even if they were in sight and not
on us. We kind of played with that and they would they wouldn't come
around. What do you think it is about the trail cameras that causes them
to do that? Do you think they know what they are? They don't
know what it is. I don't know if they just don't like them or
if they make a noise or if it's say infrared, I don't know,
but they're a good deturn. What sorts of things were they doing on the
property whenever they'd come up and harass you guys? What kind of activity were
you noticing? I mean you mentioned slapping the travel trailer. What other types
of things were they doing? Who noticed that they would watch us? There'd
be times in the daytime I would go out and sit on my I live
down little hill. I'd sit on my patio and just you know, look
around, and I would start getting little pieces of gravel, hind combes thrown
at me, just thrown towards me, and I couldn't see them where they
were, And I just get up and walk inside because I thought, you
know, I can't see them. I don't know which way to look,
you know. I don't want to be sitting out here and get ambushed.
You know. I think they just like to watch us and and say,
hey, i'm here. You tell me. You know. Did you ever
hear any like talking or vocalizations at your place? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
yeah. We've heard whistles and whoops and talking. I've heard talking there.
I've heard talking up in central Utah, where we have up there too,
we've had him. I had a big male watching us at camp at
night. I left the campfire, we had a big kitchen set up,
left the campfire to go to bed, and I have one of those thirteen
hundred canterpower flashlights and I was shining around and saw two big yellowish bluish green
eyes and a silhouette. And I thought, this guy standing right there.
He was probably two hundred feet away, but he is standing in the spot
in a road, watched with a perfect view of everything we did. And
the next day I found eight inch tracks down near camp, and that one
it was watching us, I'm sure was bigger, much bigger. So I
think they really like to watch you. I've heard there. I've heard a
male and a female talking. That's what it sounded like to me. Could
you try to describe the talking like what it sounded like, sounds just like
the Sierra sounds just a bunch of garble. You can't you can hear it,
you can't understand it, and it's just just a weird talk. That's
what I think it is, is that they're talking to each other. And
we also had a three year old kid there at camp, and then he
left and the next day we heard baby crying in the woods across the creek.
Oh wow. Yeah. Was there ever a time where you felt in
danger or threatened by them? Yeah? They scared me, But when i've
seen them there, there's usually standing there still, just watching you, watching
you drive by, Uh, watching what you're doing, and it's it's never
scared me. I mean frightened me really bad that I won't go back in
the woods. But it's interesting to me that they will stand there frozen,
like I've seen deer stand still or or something out other animal and they I
think they think you can't see them unless they're moving. I don't know what
that is, but they're just standing watching you go by. And you know,
I've been fortunate enough to be looking everywhere and be able to see a
few. You mentioned you've taken thousands of photos over the years. Yeah.
What are some of the things that you've taken photos of that you have in
your collection? Tons of footprints, knuckle prints, handprints, broken trees,
broken branches, found trees that have been yanked out by the roots and thrown
across the road. I don't know why they do that. Unless they hope
you'll stop and get out of your vehicle. I don't know, but we've
found numerous of those. Do you find like formations or just more of you
know, broken trees and limbs and things like that. I know we've we've
found, you know, the tpe type of structures. Yeah, lots of
those pictures. And I find that they're usually by a road or by a
great game trail that they can sit and watch. And you know, found
trees that are pushed over uphill from the road and where there's an area that
they could get behind and watch. And I think they're using them as blind
Yeah. I agree with that theory. A lot of the stuff that I
found whenever I was going out and researching seemed to me at least to be
set up as observation points, play to offer some camouflage and watch us usually
yeah, or ambush prey that might be going down a game trail or something
of that nature. Yeah, I mean that's what it looks to me.
You know, I'm a hunter. If I want to hide in the bushes,
so then and watch a trail, that's what I do and see what's
coming by. So I really think that's an ambush thing or just curiosity.
I'm not sure you've seen a big one. The first thing you had was
a large one. You talked about possibly seeing another alpha later on. You've
taken these thousands of photos, You've found all these tracks in different states.
So why haven't they been discovered? Why don't we have all these photos and
videos of them? Well, I don't know. I think I've discovered them,
you know, yeah, And I personally, you know, I don't
feel I have to prove anything to science. Why they have to haven't been
photographed. I've got one picture that I sent you that. Of course,
I showed it to somebody who's supposed to be an expert, and they accused
me of stealing it from Todd Standing's picture. But if you're a hunter and
you know animals, they will crawl in a bush and watch you. Cougar
are great for that. So we found an area that had a lot of
activity. We could hear them, and I saw a black thing in a
bush one hundred and fifty feet away. So I grabbed my camera and I
took pictures. I thought, you know, there's something black in that bush.
Just going to take a picture of it and look at it later.
Well, I took that picture and I cropped it and you know, pulled
it in, and it pixelated on me. So I brought it back until
I could finally see something that was clear. And as I look at it,
you can see its mouth and its lips. You can see black holes
for nose, black hole for an eye. And that's the best I've ever
gotten, now, you know, I told you I carry a thirty five
millimeter digital camera with you know, a two hundred or a three hundred lands
on it. And we left. People will never believe this, but we
were out looking for stuff, found a bunch of rockstacks. Headed back to
town. We're getting off a major highway from Zion National Park onto the fifth
fifteen freeway, headed south, and there's cliffs as you turn to get on
that freeway, and Chuck says, what's that man doing standing up there?
And I turned in my seat and I'm looking right at probably an eight foot
or taller, bigfoot with four foot white shoulders, big ugly, mean looking
face, with black eyes, big white nose, and he's just standing there
right near the freeway entrance and looking at what I don't know. And he
finally turned and walked away, and I had my thirty five millimeter camera in
my lap the whole time. You know. Yeah, when you see one
of these things, you don't think, oh, I'm going to take a
picture, look at that stand and pose for me. No, that's the
last You don't even think about it, or at least I don't, and
I didn't, and that would have been probably a money shot. He was
probably one hundred feet away or so, standing on top of the cliff,
and we've been back that way. There are no roads, don't dirt roads
behind him directly behind him there five miles up the road or six miles south
of that. I don't know what he was doing there. I don't know
why, but it was shocking. I've tried for thirty three years to get
a good picture of one, and it's just it happens too fast. You're
not thinking about or I'm going to see a big foot around the corner.
So I'm going to get ready, you know, And I keep my camera
on at a sport mode so I can just click ten pictures if I want.
What can I say? Hey, yeah, yeah, extremely frustrating.
I mean, they always seem to either be one step ahead or like you're
saying, I agree with your sentiments. That was especially my own experiences.
Whenever you actually see one, or you're actually in a situation where you're encountering
something like this, all the plans go out the window, you know exactly.
You're just kind of standing there, dumbfounded, and you don't even think
about those things. You don't think about what you plan on doing, or
what you said you would do on the internet or anything like that. Right.
The only thing is when you see these they're ingrained in your brain forever.
I mean, there's an absolute perfect picture in my brain of what I
saw that day, and it's it doesn't go away, So I wish I
could find a way to take it out of my brain. Didn't print it
out, you know. Yeah, you were referred to it as a monster.
Whenever you pull that image up in your memory and you're looking at it,
just gut instinct, are you looking at an animal or are you looking
at a person? Gotch that one, that first one looked very human.
He really did looked very human, had a wide face. He just he
didn't look like an animal, you know, he didn't. He didn't look
like a bear, cougar, a deer, you know, he he looked
like like a man. Remember the Hulk. TV showed the Hohle. Yeah,
yeah, he looked like him, but twice as big, same type
muscles, like bodybuilder muscles. Oh yeah, very pronounced. Yeah, he
had huge muscles there. I don't think there was an ounce of fat on
him. It was all muscle, and I just I thought back, I
thought, okay, So he broke off that three inch live pine tree,
probably eight feet high, just snapped it off and threw it twenty feet And
when I saw him, I realized, if he could do that, you'd
have no chance. He just grabby and beat you against a tree like a
rag doll. Just amazing the power. Have you had an encounter or found
something while out there looking for these things that you considered just strange, something
that you really couldn't explain or have an explanation for out in the Oregon woods.
Yeah, there's lots of strangeness out there. There's lots of strange stuff.
Way out in the woods, you find the weirdest things. We were
out hunting for elk. We were thirteen miles out in the forest, and
we pulled up to a pine tree plantation where there Forestry Services getting collecting seeds,
and we stopped in this one spot because we looked a the canyon and
there was a four foot wide elk trail that came off the road and down
this mountain. And we stopped right there and I was going to use my
bugle and Chuck says stop, stop. Did you hear that? And I
said what? And then I heard don't shoot me or my dog. Yeah.
This is so strange that you think, oh my gosh, how is
this even possible. Here's a guy looked like an albino, probably six foot
tall, with his knees up in his chest, and he's as white as
a ghost, and the bush next to him is shaking like crazy and he's
saying, please, don't shoot me or my dog. So of course I
started the truck up when we left. So you ask about strangeness in the
Oregon Woods, it's pretty bad commonplace, huh. Yeah. And that forest
is so thick that there's one hundred foot tree growth under two hundred foot trees
down logs everywhere, trees everywhere. And if you walk ten fifteen feet into
that forest and you don't know which way you came in, you're lost it's
that thick. That's another thing I wanted to get your thoughts on. You
know that there's some beliefs that these things have and will take people on occasion
if the opportunity presents itself. Do you think that that's true? Do you
think there's a danger of these things kidnapping people? I could believe that,
you know. My thought is they're just like we are. There's good ones,
bad ones, bad days, good days. A lot of them.
They look like we do. Everybody looks different and they have bad attitudes.
Some of them do, Like that first one I saw. There'd been no
thought in my mind that he wouldn't have killed me if he had the chance,
if I'd walked in the woods, I think he would have. And
so anything's possible like that, if they'd kill you, aneat you, or
just beat you up, or I don't know. I don't want to get
that ghost outside of Bigfoot, have you had any experiences with anything else?
Have you seen any orbs or UFOs or ghosts or anything. So I'll let
you know now. I do not go out in the woods at night.
I do not look for these at night. There's no way you'd get me
to do that because they have the upper hand. They can see in the
dark. I can't, and they're very sneaky quiet. So I don't go
out at night, so I don't see orbs or any of that stuff.
I'm sure they're probably there. I have seen a UFO in the evening I
was still light. Matter of fact, Chuck and I both did at my
house in Utah. We're looking out something gray and long, floating. It
wasn't floating. It was moving not fast, way up by the hill,
and we both looked at each other and said, what is that? So
that's what I've only seen that. How big? Was it huge? Like
a giant airliner? Oh? Wow? That big it was. It was
not a one of our jets. There's no way it would have flown like
that. It was just below the hill or the mountain, the ten thousand
foot mountains, and it was just flying, just moving along, no noise.
Was it like saucer shaped or cylindrical or cylindrical? It was just a
long like a stretched football. Yeah, it was. It was interesting.
It's just silvery colored. And then it didn't. We didn't see it anymore,
so I don't I don't know what that was. But yeah, I
don't. We don't. We don't look for these in the dark in a
way that's suicide. You know. I know this isn't a popular opinion,
and I certainly did a ton of my own poking around at night time with
other people, but it never made any sense to me to go out looking
at for these things at night either. Yeah, you know, I agree,
they do have the upper hand entirely. We're not designed to see in
the dark, and uh, it just it didn't make a lot of sense
to me. I always thought that if you're going to go out looking for
these things, you should do it during the daylight, whenever you can actually
see what's around and it's safer. Well, and that's it. They're out
at night time, but they're also out during the day. And you know,
my thing is what I've learned over the years. The minute I drive
out into the forest and I get out of my vehicle, every animal in
the forest knows I'm there. They already know there's a human in the forest.
And the squirrels are watching you, and the blue jays are watching you,
and there's bark air dunner are making noise, letting everybody in the forest
know. Humans in here, and we've had them follow us, had gray
squirrels jump from tree to tree as we walk down the road, just barking
away. So everything knows you're there. For me to go out in the
dark, there are no one'm there. They know exactly where I'm at,
because I learned through doing vernmit calls that they pinpoint you from as far away
as they hear that noise, they know exactly where to come. And so
we don't have that per hand. In the woods, they're no way.
You know, that's something I've never actually thought about, But now that you
mentioned that, you're absolutely right. I never thought about that. Like whenever
we would do calls and do things to try and get their attention, we
didn't just continuously do those things. We just did it once and waited and
sometimes it would take half an hour, but thirty minutes later you'd hear something
come running through the woods towards you. They would absolutely pinpoint you off just
those one episode of calls or noises or whatever it was that you happened to
do. And that's certainly not something that I would be able to do.
I don't know anybody that would be able to do that. No, and
so you know, they know that they're forests very well, and so when
they hear that noise, somehow they've got it endpointed. And that was proven
to me time and time again with with Mountain Lion and black bear. They
know right where to go. So coyotes, bobcats, we've had them all
run in on that call and Wayne Carlton calls it they come to eat.
It's the name of the call, and they do. So that's that's another
reason that I would not go out at night. Well, do you have
any advice for anyone listening that might want to go out and try to find
these things on their own? You know, something I've always thought about is
follow the footprints. You know, if you're out there and you find footprints,
just try to follow them. Learn learn what to look for and stick
breaks and that evidence. And when you see that stuff, shelters, whatever
it is, just start looking for footprints and you'll find them. We found
it once you start doing that. We've found footprints in Zion National Park,
We've found footprints in Yellowstone, We've you know, they start to pop out
at you and if you can find those footprints, just follow them. If
you can. If a footprint disappears, try to go back and make a
find out how far the stride is on those footprints. Take your tape measure
and put it out five feet all around you and look and you'll find other
footprints. I have found them in a field where they just stop and there's
no other footprints in a snowy field. I don't know how to explain that
how that happens, but I've seen it. So follow the footprints, keep
your eyes and ears open and just look, because I think you'll find them
standing in a bush around a bush, watching you. And so if you
have rocks and stuff being thrown at you, I would leave you know,
we've had that too. Well, live to fight another day. Yeah,
Jack, I appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your experiences and your
story of an amazing journey my friend thirty three plus years. That's something.
Yeah, And hopefully I'm not done yet. And if you've had your own
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