Gary Sheffield on Yankees battles, HOF rules, Dave Parker’s legacy

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Speaker 1: We've got guys in the Hall of Fame that played in Colorado, and I can promise you and I can tell you this, if I played in Colorado, I have a thousand home months right now.

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Speaker 2: The Great Gary Sheffield is here with us for the next couple of days to play some poker and join us for fifteen minutes here, Chef.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you, man, Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 4: Good to be here. Man, it wasn't as easy as we would like. But what happened?

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Speaker 3: Wait you mean modern travel is not easy.

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Speaker 1: Not today many like man, these flights, they have you all over the place. So I was, you know, especially when you go through Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, not easy, very busy airport. I dealt with some of that.

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Speaker 4: This new too.

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Speaker 2: With the storms down there, Chef, we will have some fun. I do want to start here just to send my condolences. I know you were very close with the late great Dave Parker, and we wanted to wait to kind of talk about this for.

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Speaker 3: When you came here. So first off, I'm so sorry for your loss. You.

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Speaker 2: Dave Parker was such a fun guy to learn about for me. I didn't get to watch him, obviously, but to learn about as a player, I mean had swagged way before the game had swagged. But what can you tell us about Dave For those that didn't know him or weren't able to watch him.

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Speaker 4: Play well, Dave is like a gentle giant.

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Speaker 1: He was one of those guys that he cared for others more than he seemed like he cared for himself. To be honest with you, you know, the thing is when you walk in the door and you see the potential and you he take you und this wing.

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Speaker 4: He teach you the ropes.

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Speaker 1: You know, he shows you things without him trying to teach you how to play this game, He'll show it to you. And a lot of things that I took from it when I first met Dave when they brought him to Milwaukee is that he don't like rules. So Dave, you know the zoomer pants they had he was back in the day, these loose pants, And then they tried to implement a dress code, and Dave didn't go against the dress code. He just showed up with the same zoomer pants and the next day and the next day and he basically told them that I wear what I want to wear. So this guy here, he was, he was a soldier man. And when I sat back and watched him, and he always told me, he said, when you're the man, you can make, you can make things that happened and the way you want them to happen. And they said, you know, you don't have to follow everything I do, but just just just follow my.

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Speaker 4: Lead when I'm doing the right thing.

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Speaker 5: That we were just talking about how teams don't get veterans in. I was just looking at it. You know how old he was when you played with him. I think he was forty thirty nine, forty years old. He was an All Star. Yeah, All Star the year before. You know, we're talking like war, negative war, barely anything, all that stuff. They still brought him in. This is just a prime example of teams used to get veteran guys in and what kind of impact that made on your elite career.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely it was.

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Speaker 1: It was huge for me because I didn't I was eighteen nineteen years old when I made to the big leagues and that automatically told me I was to start and shortstop. And when I got there in spring training, they decided they wanted me to play third, and like I was like okay, I spent all this time in the minor league playing shortstop. I'm two years out of high school. I've never played third base. I'm not playing third base. I'm looking at Jose Canseeko walk up there. These guys are real close to you, and I'm like, I'm not gonna I say, you know, who you're replacing me with is not Caviken Jr. And even if it was, I still wouldn't want to move. And they just moved me for no reason. But that's when they brought in David and I struggled with that decision. And when they brought Dave Parker in and basically he used to every media session I had, he would stand next to me and he would handle all the questions. He wouldn't let the people deal with me in a certain way because he was basically letting people know I was just a kid. You know, this kid doesn't know nothing about the media. He knows nothing about Milwaukee. This is a culture shop, and y'all treat them like this. And so what that allowed me to do is go out and lead the team in hitting that year that same year, and then the next year they got rid of him, and that's what And then I went back to struggling.

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Speaker 4: So that's what he meant to me. You know, it was.

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Speaker 6: Everything, and it's so great to hear that from better guy. But now here's my real question. Was he the best trash talker you ever played with all.

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Speaker 7: Time, all time, all time.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable all time, like his his sharpness and quickness with whatever, you know, he called Robbie General Custer. Uh, he called Paul Marley the smartest white man in the world. He told He told Greg Vaughn, I wouldn't want you dave my daughter. He told, Uh, Daryl Hamilton, would you rather have a nose full of quarter of a million dollars?

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Speaker 4: That's our biggest So he was just so off the top with this.

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Speaker 1: It was like he had everybody loose and laughing, and it's just it's a wonderful place, the wonderful guy to be around and play baseball in front of. Because he had everything loose. What did it mean to him to get elected to the Hall of Fame? And to me, the biggest tray, you know, travesty tragedy.

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Speaker 6: Is that he's not going to get to do the speech either when he actually gets inducted into the Hall of Fame. But at least he got to know he was going to a place where he should have been a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the part where it was hard for me. You know, his wife is wonderful, Kelly is an amazing woman. I was crying the whole day. And she was like, I know she my wife called her and I couldn't talk at the time. So she got me on the phone and she said, you and you better call me like this whatever. And then she was like, you know, I say, I'm so upset with major League Baseball in the Hall of Fame because it's not funny no more. We're playing with people's lives that deserve to be here and they never got a chance to walk across that stage.

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Speaker 4: And that bothered me to the core.

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Speaker 1: And and she said, Gary, one thing that Dave knew is that he's in.

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Speaker 4: And that's what she said to me.

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Speaker 1: And she said, I know what he meant to you, son, he said, but he knew he was going in and that was enough for him.

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Speaker 4: You're about you. Well, that's all the way.

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Speaker 1: My emotions probably came from you, you know, because these guys, you know Pete Rose, you know, I didn't understand the mistake he made.

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Speaker 4: Well, Pete Rose was baseball to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up watching Pete Rose at a low pass field, and when the guys made mistakes.

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Speaker 4: We still cheered for them. We rooted for those guys.

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Speaker 1: And I remember he had missed the ball and I was in the stand saying, you'll get the next one. So we didn't understand that negative press and that negative stuff towards baseball players. And when Pete Rose had died and didn't get to walk across that stage, I had that same emotion.

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Speaker 2: So did you think that, you know, he should have been in long ago? Were you on that side? And yes, I mean obviously you didn't have to say per se, But what did you think of the way it played out where then he passes and soon after that they changed the rule.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, man, he's been doing a wonderful job and trying to change some things, and I just think with Pete he made some mistakes along the way after the fact, when they gave him a chance to be reinstated and he didn't take the right steps. I understand that. But at the end of the day, we want baseball to be represented the right way. We care about the game. We wanted to be spoken in the right way, history told the right way. And Pete Rose not in the Hall of Fame and these guys not in the Hall of Fame, then how can we really say what baseball really is because we've got guys in the Hall of Fame that played in Colorado. And I can promise you and I can tell you this, if I played in Colorado, I have a thousand months right now.

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Speaker 6: So that kind of question, it's like for you, yeah, right, you didn't get voted in no, no, but you have five hundred nine home.

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Speaker 7: That's because it's on your call back, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll get that for you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll get that. But you know you mentioned he made some mistakes. Whatever with you.

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Speaker 6: But to me, if you want to talk about this, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, some of those guys, they deserve to be in because of what they did. But then I also look at other people. Al Trodriguez ran but he did, but he did it after this stuff was not like allowed, and he missed a year because he cheated so badly. Right, So that's to me is where it's a different thing, because I don't know, like to me, I look, five hundred nine home runs.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: No, You're right, everybody's circumstances different. You can't treat everybody agree because everybody can't tell me.

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Speaker 6: There's not guys in the Hall of Fame that didn't That's what I'm saying, that didn't do Steroi, right, I mean, come on that part.

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Speaker 1: So the thing is is that, yeah, these guys need to be in. But if you're going to give a penity, you know, give a penity. There was never anything that said only one thing they said, van of life is gambling, nothing else. And so now they've been a judge and the jury and then my case, how do I go from being a witness to a suspect? And so that's where that's for me. My situation is totally different than Barry Bonds. I trained with him, so that's why they called me in as a witness. And once I told him what I knew and what I saw, I said to the juror, I said, let me let me ask y'all one thing.

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Speaker 4: I say, you think Barry Bonds will bring me down here and let me know he's a cheater, I said.

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Speaker 1: Barry Bond's ego is too big to let let anybody know anything about him.

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Speaker 4: He wants you to know he's the.

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Speaker 1: Best now person like me, and I felt like I was one of the top five top ten baseball players in the world at the time. I want to know who's really better than me? And if you gonna, is he gonna let me know? Oh, I'm a steroid user and that's how I'm better than you. He would never do that. So that's that's the whole point. And so everybody's situation different. I walked into a situation. I didn't know what I was walking into. But they don't want to look at it that way. But that's the way you want to do it.

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Speaker 4: Go trick.

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Speaker 1: Check what I did after the fact when y'all said, okay, we're want to test, my numbers went up. Everything I did went up. So I look at all of this is I would suggest everybody put their cards on the table. Let's put all our cards on the table and they see who did what.

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Speaker 3: And you know that most people won't say crap.

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Speaker 2: They're not as transparent, right, and especially the people that did do anything, they're not going to talk right for the most part. Is there anything that can be done? I mean, I know that you know your case has been stated. You've You've been super transparent and open about it. Like do you talk writer to writer? Do you talk to some of them and say, hey, like I want to get an idea of where you're at.

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Speaker 3: Or it's just not worth doing something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it to me because my thing is I did what I did on the baseball field, and if I got to be I gotta go campaign for what I did.

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Speaker 4: I can't go back and get another home run. This is all start I could. Actually I don't know about that. But see the thing is that this.

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Speaker 1: Whole thing started with me in two thousand and four and the guy John Hayman, and I'll be straight up and i'll name him.

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Speaker 4: I'll make you famous today. But this guy that started all of this.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I got to the Yankees, I went in early, and I went in to drop my stuff off because I lived in Tampa. So I got media coming all out of the woodworks. You know, at my locker, I had probably fifteen people at the locker and it wasn't even spring training yet, and so I'm sitting there talking and I'm answering all the questions, and out of nowhere, John Hayman goes, hey, you've been an advocate steroids. Would you be the first guy to take a test to prove your innocence? And so I knew what he thought was gonna happen. He thought he had a player that he can intimidate and make him freeze. So what I told him? I said, as a matter of fact, yeah, I got my Rose Ross outside. You can ride with me and my Rose Ross and I'll take you to the clinic. You say you have to take this test the PR department with the Yankees, like, no, Gary can't do that.

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Speaker 4: I can't do that. You know you can't do that, and.

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Speaker 1: You know the union and all of this type of stuff. He started to explaining me. I said, I don't care about that. And this guy think he gonna intimidate me. Is he's wrong? I said, I'm not scared of anything. I said, as a matter of fact, I want you to draw my blood as well as you get my urine, and I want you to keep it for the next hundred years. And down he froze. Okay, let's go. He don't have nothing. No, let me make a call. I say, I thought you had it. So then he goes on the air to ESPN after that, and I'm sitting at home with my wife and kids, and I see that he said that he asked me a steroid question, and I got up tight and irate. So I went and got on the station and I told him, and I told the true story of what happened.

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Speaker 4: He asked me the question.

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Speaker 1: I said, yes, you can ride in my car to go do it, and he had nothing and that's what happened.

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Speaker 3: Wow, And I started.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because then you remember that's the same year a Rod struggled and Jeter struggle. They I just hit three thirty nine thirty nine, one hundred and thirty six rbs with the Braves the year before. When a Rod came, they they moved me from third to fifth hitter, and I told Joe Tory.

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Speaker 4: I'm the best hit on this team. I should be hitting third, and they put me fifth.

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Speaker 1: Mass form and they struggle, and so all of a sudden, Man matts SUI carried the team, keeping us afloat, and every day in the media, when John Haymen come to my locker, I answered all the question for everybody else. He put the microphone up and says what does it feel like to be overshadowed by Derek Jeter and a Rod This went on for two months, that question.

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Speaker 4: That question, Wow, how did you handle it? I basically said next I said, next question? Yeah, because I was. I was.

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Speaker 1: I just got here. I didn't want to be a distraction. But see, this is what people don't understand about the media. When it came to me, and Jeda even stepped in and say, hey, man, won't you just give them moore and answers, I say, well, that's the difference between me and you. I'm the reason and you're the reason why the world goes around because we are different. Yep, I said, you get to ask certain questions that you would never get the questions asked that I get.

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Speaker 4: See your question is different.

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Speaker 1: They're talking at me, and I said, so you got to respect the fact that I've held it together, this loan for twenty two years based on the questions that I have to answer.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point.

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Speaker 6: Everyone gets different questions, different asked differently. They could be kind of the same, but they're asked differently. I agree, Yeah, depending.

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Speaker 7: On who you are.

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Speaker 3: You've seen that a ton I've.

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Speaker 7: Seen it a ton. My question is, and we're gonna change subjects. We could talk about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 6: We've talked about this too. Two thousand and four Red Sox Yankees to come back. You were part of it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Is that the worst moment of your career?

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 7: It is because have you had a great series?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this perception.

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Speaker 5: Look it up.

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Speaker 4: I had this perception of the Yankees before I got there.

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Speaker 1: I felt like when I walked in the door, this is the automatic championship because I knew what my numbers was gonna be.

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Speaker 4: I predicted these numbers in spring training.

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Speaker 1: I told him marked down thirty five home runs, one hundred some RBIs one hundred run scored, three hundred. I did all those things. So that automatically told me we're winning. And so when you look at it, yeah, we lost. But if I was to ask you, if you had to do it, we had to do it over again. We put Mariano on the mound and the ateh the ninth in him. How many chances, I mean, how many time we're gonna lose?

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Speaker 5: History says that time in game seven of the right.

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Speaker 1: And so what happened was that time it didn't happen because he's been in that situation a thousand times, all six of the championships. He's probably been on the mound now when it came to two thousand and four and against the Angels as well, he was on the mound. We was winning and he lost. And I wouldn't say he lost, we all lost, but he was standing on the mound when we didn't win that game. That's good stuff.

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Speaker 5: That's a good that's a good way to look at it, because like you could sit there and be bitter, you could sit there and be whatever, right selfish, like oh I did all my life.

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Speaker 7: That's that's.

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Speaker 5: One team wins, one team loses, and the capitalized.

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Speaker 1: See I always said, and this is where I when I look back at it.

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Speaker 4: One thing Jim Leland didn't do. Jim Leland was the type of manager.

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Speaker 1: He would not let you see the pictures that he's gonna depend on for us to get you out with like sat fences the Florida Marlins. We recruited three players in December, left hand pitchers just for Barry Bonds, just for him.

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Speaker 4: And I guarantee you during the season, Barry.

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Speaker 1: Bonds didn't get to face him at all, but he would set it up for everybody else. But he knew those three guys can get Barry Barnes out and he would not let him see him. And what happened when we got to the playoffs. Every time Barry Bonds third at back and fourth at back, he would he would see these lefties coming in. He got two chances doing the game to beat us. And if he didn't, those next those next two you getting matchup problems.

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Speaker 5: Some people playing chess, some people playing chess, right, and.

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Speaker 1: So what what what the disadvantage Mariano faces facing Boston.

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Speaker 4: We're facing them eighteen times, and he's.

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Speaker 1: Closing out every game that we win, and so they just get You could start seeing the at bats during the season get better and better against him and better.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like that kid Mallard, he just he kills him. And but you're facing him.

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Speaker 1: You got fifteen at bats off of him before the you know, the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: He was kind of the fake Kerry Sheffield too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were all they remember them all to the third basement.

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Speaker 4: They all are getting betterments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah wait, so you're staying in the playoffs when you throw the same pictures again and again and again and again for seven games that you can't you get better. Wait, there's no way, there's.

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Speaker 3: Had more of?

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Speaker 2: Part of this obviously comes up to me when I start to read more about Dave Parker and just the way that he played the game, the things that he said, and I'm like, damn, I feel like we're missing a lot of that right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I like about Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper is a little old school, you know. He does it his way, his style, his brand, and he don't compromise for anyone. And I think that's wonderful and I think people gravitate to that. And I see how Key react to him, which is in a positive way, which is good for baseball. But the part I don't like about the game. They turn the kids into robots. The athletes are gone. You have some athletic players, but when you when you take away speed, you take away athleticism.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about this, they talk about guys that more velocity speeding against that.

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Speaker 4: And so the more speed and more guys I can get on these.

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Speaker 1: Base pads, it'll neutralize that that that velocity because Now I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: Make you feel your position.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you work harder at your craft than just throwing a baseball by me and tricking me.

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Speaker 4: Now we're gonna play the other part of the game.

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Speaker 1: And so for me, uh, this brand of baseball, I don't like to watch it because I don't like to see nothing happening. Because every ind and something should happen. I mean, if it's three strikeouts or whatever, but it's gonna be something that looks different the next ending. We may have three bunts, but we're not just gonna walk up here and try out and not put runners on base and make the pitch up, you know, work and these guys just sitting in the backyard just you know, changing on tea and just throwing the ball and then going back to the doug out nothing else happened.

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Speaker 4: You got to make things happen.

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Speaker 5: Who's who can make that shift? You think teams have to, you think players have to. You talk about like veterans talking to guys at the end of our careers. You talk to guys and it's like, hey, the longer you stay in the game, if you're looking to make money, the longer you stay in the game more money you make right now. The teams put these teams together, and it's they play the brand of baseball that they want to play. Can players change it?

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Speaker 1: No, the players can't change it. That's why I say it's not their fault. I said, the brand of baseball that we're watching, it's not the player's fault.

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Speaker 4: That's what they're asking for. They're asking these.

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Speaker 1: Guys to go up here, hit home run, swing with this uppercut, and that's it. And so you I talk to a lot of kids and when I talk to them, they have no and I mean zero understanding about hitting, like zero.

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Speaker 4: They basically tell me.

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Speaker 1: I remember I went and took this kid on the mentorship of dinner like a mentoring players, and they said to me, well that I said, what happened on this this one one count? And he said, well, they want to swinging on that count no matter what I said, what that means. So basically, they got a scouting report that's set up that says, when you get to this count, we want you to swing, no matter what.

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Speaker 3: For what. Because they think there's a certain.

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Speaker 4: Pitch, they know that a certain picture is coming.

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Speaker 2: They're saying the probability of this pitch. Yes, you shouldn't have a field swing that.

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Speaker 6: Because as a catcher, I'd be like, you know they have we run in the cover to stop right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's one one he has to swing. Yes, completely different.

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Speaker 1: But I don't say so because he's a catcher. But I know he can reading. He can read situations. You know what this guy got And I look at your swing, I know what to call. I mean, that's easy.

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Speaker 4: So they don't do that. But they don't do that.

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Speaker 7: They don't do that.

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Speaker 1: No, they basically, he basically told me that when this count happens, we have to swing on this count, not the first pitch.

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Speaker 5: Young young kid.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's like it's like I watch pictures now with this little thing on their glove or they call their old pitches.

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Speaker 7: How can you throw a ball?

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Speaker 6: As a catcher, you can see the hitter because you see the ball and now you can watch the hitter.

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Speaker 7: But how can a pitchers throw the ball?

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Speaker 6: Most of them jerk their head down right and by the time they look back up, the ball has already been hit somewhere.

00:24:33
Speaker 7: How do they know what the swing looks like? And they're calling the game.

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Speaker 4: That's why he's rely on you guys.

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Speaker 7: But they don't know the pictures.

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Speaker 6: Joey has it on a sleeve, right, and pitchers have it on their glove where they can call the pitches.

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Speaker 4: But you know you can't.

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Speaker 7: You can't throw the ball look down. By the time you look back up, the balls hit somewhere foul off. I didn't know what you did, right.

00:24:52
Speaker 4: Well, that's why I say they have to rely on you catchers.

00:24:54
Speaker 7: I wish because I.

00:24:55
Speaker 1: Wish they would, but what but the game today is not appilling to watch.

00:25:01
Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to knock the game. I want it to be good. And the thing is.

00:25:05
Speaker 1: That when somebody tell you, you know this, AJA, when you do this with your this show that the first movie is that my hands in the afterc it's not in the best position possible. But when I go here, I can go there. I can go there, or I can go here. Once I go here, But when I do this, I'm done. And this is what they're teaching. And I'm not saying you can't have success swinging up sometimes because done Malley. I told her, I can't hit no knuckleball. I don't know how to hear knuckleball, and he said, Gary, slow the wiggle down and swing up. And I did that, and Wakefield and everybody else couldn't get me.

00:25:43
Speaker 4: Out of this. So I'm saying. What I'm saying technically is I would.

00:25:49
Speaker 1: Take the data that they have today, but I would take the old school and make it a marriage and create magic.

00:25:56
Speaker 4: That's what I would. That's what I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:01
Speaker 7: And by the way, you and Wakefield is a bad matchup for r I p Tim, But that's.

00:26:07
Speaker 3: Wad a bad match saw it.

00:26:09
Speaker 4: At the beginning. It was bad for me really. Oh yeah.

00:26:12
Speaker 1: I was swinging down because I swing, I think this and that ball just shoot up, rise up in my swing, just go right by, Like I walked back to do don I.

00:26:25
Speaker 5: Who was playing third for the Red at that time.

00:26:27
Speaker 4: That's what the bad matchup was. Then play back, but they didn't know I couldn't hit it.

00:26:34
Speaker 1: And then when he told me that, I didn't even understand what he was saying, just swing up. I didn't know how to do it. I didn't know how to swing. I was always a guy that swing this way. My first move is this, and when I did it, home run.

00:26:50
Speaker 5: That's great.

00:26:51
Speaker 4: It was it was the ball.

00:26:52
Speaker 1: Just I saw the ball so much better when I just stayed going up. But when I'm when I'm hitting like this, Patro, everything is once that goes here. Pedro got you.

00:27:05
Speaker 2: What about the game from an entertainment perspective, So you know, we do have the pitch clock that comes into play, so at least that kind of sped things up. And then also the way that obviously we've got the Juggernauts, and then there are some teams that are a tough watch, you know. And it's been going for years now, right, the Rockies, the Pirates, It's been a long time.

00:27:27
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on how we can get that to change.

00:27:30
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. I talk about this a lot. I get a lot of phone calls from a lot of people. The game is an illusion that's going on that the game is being sped up with this pitch clock.

00:27:41
Speaker 4: Well then it slowed down with the replay, so.

00:27:45
Speaker 3: The time of the game is down.

00:27:46
Speaker 4: No, but it's fine.

00:27:47
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you're speeding it up in one manner, but then you're slowing it down in another.

00:27:52
Speaker 4: Just to get it right. And I believe in getting it right.

00:27:56
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the whole toutality of the game and who's in it and how it's being played and what's entertaining and watching what's not. Something has to change for who you drafted, because a lot of times I can draft you on potential, and I can draft you because you can do five different things, but they haven't been polished yet. So there's that's called a development side. Some kids need more development and more time to develop into the player that they can be. These scouts are not scouting that way no more. They don't even have to show up at the game anymore. They can go on the data and if you hit a ball one O four in the twelfth grade and then you threw a ball as ninety nine in the twelfth grade, they drafted you just on that alone.

00:28:42
Speaker 4: Never seen you play.

00:28:43
Speaker 3: That'speeding now too. They're tracking all of that.

00:28:45
Speaker 2: They've got a delineation many teams do, where it's like, if he's not at this level, we're good chances are that it's not gonna work.

00:28:53
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. My son is six y two at Florida State. He was six foot coming out as high school season. They told me that he needs to get bigger, faster, stronger, and then we'll we think he's gonna be a player. Well he's six two, now, okay, I see a kid on his team that's five nine, soking wet? Did they tell him the same thing? That's the question I have. So is it that we need to get bigger, faster, stronger or what is going on here?

00:29:28
Speaker 7: Agree?

00:29:29
Speaker 4: And so I don't know the answer to it.

00:29:30
Speaker 1: And that's why I just have to be able to be a parent to my son and say, hey, we just have to do what we gotta do. We have to work hard and we can't take shortcuts. This is it and that's pretty much it. But when I see, guys, I saw a kid get drafted by the Cubs that probably was five to seven, probably one hundred and sixty pounds.

00:29:49
Speaker 4: Tell me what superstar in that kind of body? That's an outlier.

00:29:57
Speaker 7: But where are those guys?

00:29:59
Speaker 4: Where is that?

00:30:00
Speaker 1: It's one of those Yeah, oh's like superstar. That means he can play baseball. And that's about it.

00:30:06
Speaker 6: By the way, Chef and my kid did play against each other. They played against each other. We actually his son and my son played against each other this year and the one but they didn't win the state championship.

00:30:14
Speaker 7: So we've already had that. We've had that conversation before, but.

00:30:18
Speaker 3: You got you got time during the last year we did.

00:30:20
Speaker 6: This out here for the golf turn where I talked about I can't believe they did not win the state.

00:30:25
Speaker 7: But that's a whole different story. Last before we let you go, you pitched in Williamsport.

00:30:30
Speaker 6: You hit in Williamsport, so you were like the show he Tani and Williamsport.

00:30:34
Speaker 7: I was, could you do what he's doing? Now?

00:30:37
Speaker 4: I thought I could, to be honest with you, but I didn't throw ninety nine and I ninety three.

00:30:41
Speaker 7: Oh see, that doesn't a big difference. Yeah, thumbering you were.

00:30:47
Speaker 4: I mean ninety three, that's what that's the average speed.

00:30:50
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they say guys throwing harder, so that's probably the average speed. That was me and so I I thought I was more of a pitcher than I was a hitter because of my uncle. That's what he engraved in me that I'm a picture. But my granddad said, you're you're the hitter. And so I did both. And I was eight and old in high school and all the way up, I was the guy and I just felt like I could.

00:31:14
Speaker 4: Could have done it or not, I don't know, but I was.

00:31:16
Speaker 5: I sure wanted to kids out there. If you don't know who his uncle is, just hit baseball reference. I won't even give it away. I won't even give it away. It was pretty decent at a pretty young age.

00:31:29
Speaker 4: He was a mean son of a guy to be a baseball player. Man, it wasn't it wasn't pretty. I tell you, it wasn't pretty.

00:31:37
Speaker 2: Hey, at google it. There's some good there's some good articles, I'll tell you. Chef awesome. Thank you for stopping by. We're excited to hang with you later.

00:31:46
Speaker 1: I used to be obsessed with the game, so it got really bad and my wife said, you gotta quit.

00:31:53
Speaker 3: This is your come back, Yeah, come back to me. Yeah, this is gonna be good. I'm excited for it. Later it's going to be on our YouTube channel.

00:32:03
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