Catherine Lowe Speaks Out on Racism Towards the Asian Community

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Happy Hour listeners. We hope you've had a great week. I have had a very enjoyable week because Rachel, I have to admit, I really listened to our podcast and the nineties really got me walking down memory lane. And for the past seven days I have been blasting nineties music like no other. My neighbors probably think like, I don't know I'm on this nineties Kike, but I can't get rid of it. It's the best. But how are you doing? After the fun, fun episode we did last week? Your neighbors are probably saying thank you. Oh, They're like, oh, she's taking me down memory lane. Oh I remember that. You even sent in the group chat that you were listening to a wonder wall. I actually have been more of it in a nineties country mood. Like I'll listen to that playlist too. I'll get into like Mike Garth was jam and Garth the other day. Nothing like some Garth or some Shania here we go against who. I have seen both of them in concert. I have to let you guys know who we have on the podcast today because you probably have never heard from her on our podcast. She's a newbie with us, but I'm sure if you have followed bachel Nation for a while now, you definitely have heard of her. We have none other than Miss Katherine Lowe joining us. She is the wife of Shan Lowe, who was on season seventeen of The Bachelor, which seems like I mean, I remember watching Sean's season in college, I believe, and but like to this day doesn't feel like that long ago. But when I say season seventeen, I'm like, damn that that was actually quite some time ago. But for those of you who don't know, Katherine's incredible. She has a beautiful family with three amazing children with Sean, so she is a true Bachelor success story. She is also a proud Filipino woman, and she has recently been very outspoken about the hate crimes that are affecting the Asian community, and so we're looking forward to sharing our platform today with her to continue that important conversation around this topic. So she will be hopping on very shortly. But before we have her on, I just wanted to check in with Rachel because you've had a lot go down this week. You know, we know Copper had some health issues. He was there's a lot of rumors circulating around poor Copper, Like the speculation has been driving people wild. So since we have you here, we just need to set the record straight with what has been going on with mister Copper. You know what I think it is because people first met Copper and he had a cast on so and people people always think, oh my gosh, something's always wrong with him, poor Copper, And the story is kind of like what happened to Copper's cast? I'm like, oh, he jumped off something, and they're like, wait, we need more details when he heard his foot, So now it's like, okay, wait, what happened to Copper? He's in a cone? You know. My Michael Holst on another podcast said he had a BBL, said he had LIEFO, and I had to refute that rumor. That is not true. That is not true. Copper had a live poma and so like a benign mass on his stomach and it was growing like he's he had it. I saw it a couple of months ago. I've been measuring it with fingers. It got one finger bigger and I was like, absolutely not. So I had it tested for a second time. It was benign, but I was like, let's remove it just because it's on his stomach. It was getting big and so he had that removed. That's it, you guys. He also had a deep cleaning on his teeth. He did not have any teeth pulled, nor did he have any replaced. Okay, just some you know touch ups that he needed some touch ups. So he is doing fine. Thank you so much for asking. Thank you everybody else for asking. People were very worried. And I love that Copper has just wiggled his way into your hearts. You know, he's become America's or at least bats or Nation's dog, and I love that. But I am not alone here on the doggy stories. You Becca have a story to tell about whole little Minnow what happened? Let me tell you what I swear. She turned two years old two weeks ago, and like when they stayed a terrible two's hint, I swear that's a real thing because when she when I was singing Happy birthday to her, I made a joke about the terrible twos, and it like it's happening. She's been like so stubborn, so extra over the top sassy lately, but she um so usually when I walk her I just have like a normal leash and callar. But lately, because she loves to go squirrel hunting so hard that I've been putting her in her harness, which is then like attached to this like very elastic leash that then goes around my waist with a good little fanny pack like the dog mom that I am. And um, she lately has figured out how to finagle her way out of this harness. She just like does this like weird really quick like scooty thing like through the back of it. And so I was walking her yesterday and there's always one corner. I don't know what it is. There's this one intersection by where I live that she I don't know if it's like there's not a sidewalk, so I don't know if it just freaks her out, but she's somehow so quickly I think I was like digging in the fanny pack for a poop bag or something. She finangled her way out of it, started running and luckily there's there's like this tucked away park behind some homes where I live, and she always knows where to go, Like she loves going to the park. We always go there to play fetche. It's the area she can be off leash in our neighborhood. So she thankfully ran there. So I'm running after her, like with my coffee, swinging the poop bags, like literally screaming like a maniac. And get to the park and she's just like in the corner, like sniffing, and then all of a sudden she starts rolling. So I'm running through the park like trying to find like what she's rolling in, thinking it's like dog poop or something, and like, lo and behold, she loves her squirrels. There's a dead, half eaten squirrel that she was rolling in guts. She's literally rolling in guts. Yeah, And I like, I don't know why dogs roll in that. I don't know. I copperless not well, Thank goodness, Minna needs to spend some time with Copper because she's wild. She's a wild dog. And I always shoke with my sister because my sister also has two Corgis, and one of them is like the star student, the sweetest old little corgy in the world. The other one, june Bug. We call her the trash dog because she's the same way. She'll like roll in dog shit, she'll like eat squirrels and mice. Now minnow of course is like turning into this little trash monster. So bringing her home and I wanted to scold her, but I also like didn't want to like get too close and touch her, and like here she is she talking about her? Yeah she knows we're talking about her right now. Um, so I but then I had to pick her up and put her in the bathtub. It's like really not that great of a story. It was just like I was really flustered for a while, gave her a bath. Thank goodness for Scouts, Honor. We do ads with them through the podcast. But like, oh my god, it actually smells in credit. So yeah, so she was in time out for a while last night. I okay, So Copper's not like that. He's such a you know, you've been around and he's Coppers, so I'm not used to that type of behavior. But I've minto is wild. Oh my gosh, that is a good story to tell Minto. Wow, Wow, Copper, we're not going to be You're not allowed to hang around bad influence. Seriously, if there are any trainers out there, please DM me, because she needs she needs to be you know, she needs some tough love these days, and I can't discipline her. I feel too bad, and I like if I yell at her and then she just like gets extra snugly, so she doesn't really learn, and because then I think it's cute. So I just I think I just need to pay somebody to help me with her a little bit. Yeah, I actually know of a trainer. I'll dmu one and listen. I feel like we talk about our dogs a lot on here because there are babies there for babies, and a lot of people will ask I'm sure they do with you, but ask questions about like, oh, where did you get caught for her? Where did you get mental? Um? Both Mental and Copper are rescue dogs, you guys, which as you can see, come in all different shapes, sizes and personalities. But if you're in the LA area, I work with a group called Paul Works and it's paul Works dot org and you can go on their website and they have there. They're amazing, amazing, amazing group rescue group, and they really do a lot with with just like dogs and finding them in different shelters, and especially like when they're fires out, they take fires point in the area, they take dogs in the pandemic, they've done a lot. So um, yeah, if you're in the area, you're looking for a dollar here with you, I wouldn't join you with this. Yeah, come with me next time. I swear, Like my goal in life is to be the woman in Bridesmaids where you know, the one when she's driving the minivan and she has like the seven dogs in the back seat. Like, that's my goal. One day. It's to just have a very printer van full of dogs. But I clearly can't even handle one right now, so that's like very very far off in the future. All right, you guys. Well, without further ado, we are going to be bringing on our guests. Hopefully you are excited to hear from her, because I know we are. Again, this is the first time we've ever had Catherine Lowe on our podcast. So Bauch or Happy Hour listeners, please welcome Catherine Lowe. Hi Rachel, Hi Becca, Hello, Hello Catherine. I guess just to kick this off, we want to check in with you, see how you have been through all of this craziness in the past year. Obviously checking on your babies. I mean so honestly, like I can't complain about how COVID has affected our family. Obviously, it's been really hard to explain to our children, and there's a lot of things that has affected us, but our normal day to day really hasn't changed very much. There's really nothing for Sean Art to complain about. We both work from home. Our kids aren't old enough to do like virtual so we've been in this similar pattern as before, which is very nice and comfortable for my kids because they're not affected too much. Um, So it's not a huge conversation piece beside like the virus hurting people and wanted to go away, and we do all these things to make sure that we're safe. But other than that, they haven't been traumatized or anything like that. So we're very very grateful for the way that we've just it's kind of been a similar way we've lived, um, besides traveling and things like that. But yeah, I mean we've we are just raising a bunch of kids. Are wait, are we are? Is it three? Are we three and out? Or are we are we? I don't know? Okay, yeah we don't. That's fair, that's fair. Um. We've talked about adoption in the past and we're crying about it and we're talking about it, and we're trying to see if that's right for what we are but three, three, damn under four it's really tough. So we're like, yeah, is this something that we're capable because we want to be present for if we bring another child into it, whether it's natural or it's um, you know, through an adoption agency. So we're just trying to kind of um tread water now, see what we want to do and be present because we really want to be present for each of our children's chapters, and then see from there, like, hey, is this something that we want to take on because it's a huge responsibility to bring another child in, whether it's again through pregnancy or any other means. Say all the ages again, four, two, and one? Who Catherine the last one? That last one was a surprise, and I was very I was very um shocked. I didn't know that it's a surprise. Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I was eleven, like our our youngest was eleven months at the time, and I found out the day of my birthday and I was like, I need some time. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be fat for four years, so and I would like to take it really hard. Um, but she's like a beauty. She's such a gem and love having her. She's just so loved by the kids, and she's her very strong personality. So I'm I'm I'm trying to learn from other moms with very sassable girls and see how to handle anyone to do because it's a lot. I'm like just anticipating, Okay, how I'm going to handle this because I know she's gonna be opinionated and that's an awesome thing for a girl. So just like, Okay, how do I channel it not towards me? Maybe see where we can put that energy. But yeah, it's been it's been awesome. We love being together. So just wait until she gets to middle school. It doesn't matter, Like what kind of you are. I feel like, oh man, Rachel and I were just talking about how well not for Rachel because her dog is a gem. I'm like, I can't even handle one dog right now, Like, so who knows to you to raising these three beautiful babies in it? Like in the midst of this pandemic, how are the boys taking to her? They're obsessed with her? And it's interesting to see the dynamic that the boys bring individually. So Samuel makes her laugh and like that's what he wants to do, is like make her laugh and be there for her to be silly. And then Isaiah is somebody who nurtures her, who goes up to her and just kisses her. And it's such a sweet, just dynamic between each of them and their relationships with each other. But there's something special about Isaiah and Miah, which is the two and the one. They're like babies together, but they act very very close, and it's kind of interesting because you know that your kind of personality is very well crafted very early on, and I can see them being best friends forever and like how they treat each other and how they respond to each other. So it's it's really cool and I'm just like trying to witness it and take in everything that they do together. It's a very special bote. Oh, hopefully you have a lot of scrap books. Yes, I have like twenty thousand pictures on my phone and I don't know what to do about it because my phone's like so slow. I'm like, what's my phone slow? Document? Everything? All the things is me a walking yet yes, she's climbing, and we don't have a baby gate, Like we've never baby proof to anything in our house. So like, let's see what happens with the stairs, and we're just she's she's good about it. She'll walk all the way up the stairs and crawl up there, and then at the top she'll just like, okay, I'm ready to come down, and she'll just kind of screams. So it's kind of like, okay, well, they at least no risks and they know how to do things safely, so we're not. It's it's been very interesting, and she's she's just running all over the place. She's trying to keep up with her brothers. I was just gonna say she wants to keep up with the boys, and then she always has have them. She has them to protect her. I'm sure, yeah, And but she's also like, I can do this on my own. So it's it's really fun because I didn't grow up with boys, really, I grew up with two sisters, and I don't know anything about boys. I'm learning it. It's weird because you're doing oh that starts early, okay, okay, and I'm just like learning a lot more about my husband through seeing babies that you know, weaner like, gosh, this is like really comes out of the womb. You guys do this. So I'm I'm given my husband less of a hard time. Yeah, speaking of your husband, how has Sean ben? He'sa great um. He has a very successful furniture company now and just expanding and really thriving in that and really loving what he does. He's a really good partner in that, and they're best friends and he was the best man at our wedding and so it's really cool to see him do something that he really loves, something that he is passionate about, but also just excelling at it. And again we're so blessed. We get to do stuff at home together. We get to just be a family, to see breakfast, lunch, dinner together every single day. We get to play and we stop things. And that's the like, that's the beauty of having your own business and wanting to be with each other is that we get to be with each other and like, hey, if you guys all want to go, like let's go to the park. It's such a nice day, let's do that. And we get to do that and we don't like, we don't we see the beauty and that we see that that we are very very fortunate. A lot of people don't get to do that, and so we're trying to what we hope we're not spoiling them with time because at some point this isn't going to be the norm, like they're gonna have school and all this stuff, like how are they gonna adapt to when we aren't together at twenty four seven? But we don't want at a time and we are just so grateful that's life all. It sounds amazing. I mean like I'm kinda like, give me a four year old, a two year old and a one year old, let me do this thing. I don't think I could, So kudos to you, Catherine. One of the things we really want to talk to you about is we want to talk about your support for the Asian community. What's happening right now in our country. It's absolutely disgusting, it's despicable. You've been using your platform to bring awareness, telling some of your own personal stories about what's going on, how you've been impacted, how it affects your family, and we really just want to dig into it because unfortunately the Asian community and culture. We don't see that represent it that much in bastur Nation, and our listeners are bastur Nation. That's pretty much who's listening. And so I want to talk about what's going on from your You give us the perspective, you take the floor, and like what people need to know about what's happening and how they can help. So it's really like, what kind of put everything over the edge? Was the SPA, right, the SPA shootings, And I think it's really that was that was it was boiling over at that point for a year. Now, you know, the attacks have increased one hundred and fifty percent because of you know, I think we all kind of know where that comes from. And it's a really scary thing to know that people obviously mental health, it has a huge part of what's going on in so many things. Ignorance, mental health issues, and just kind of the environment right now and people feeling scared and feeling disempowered and they feel like, Okay, well now I want to kind of empower myself and try to do something to take things into my own hands. Right. So the unfortunate thing is that one Asians, I think from such a long time ago, have been viewed as weak because they're not very loud as a culture, Like, culturally they don't they want to assimilate, they want to succeed, and that's what they've been seeing as in society. And so I feel like with these upcoming attacks, they feel like one, Asian communities are weak because they're not hugely represented in a ton of positions, they're culturally a little bit more quiet, and then they go for the elderly, which it's just like, honestly, it makes absolutely no sense to me at one that it's an elderly person at all that are being attacked. That's like the equivalent of a baby. You can see a baby, they're going to go hern a baby. That's the equivalent of an elderly person. And also in the Asian community, elders are so highly revered, Like we look at our elders there are storytellers. We protect them, we take them into our homes, we make sure that they are safe, we make sure that they are honored. So it's been a really really are for the Asian community to see that not only the Asian community has been targeted, but the elderlies are being the victims. And the targets of these just terrible, terrible crimes. And obviously the shootings were disgusting, but there's also things that have happened throughout the year that maybe they haven't been newsworthy for something, like they're disgusting acts of violence and hatred that, you know, pushing elderlies down and just treating people like not people because of little things that are allowing them to see Asian people as maybe an issue or a reason why the virus is so I think just people are taking things too far. Mental health has has to has to be taking like, has to have a part in this, and then also ignorance, you know, they don't really understand, you know, how how beautiful the range of Asian cultures are, what they what they add to society, and what they want to do as Americans. I've read this article, I think it was on Time magazine, and they called them the Asian community perpetual foreigners. So when people see Asian people they think that they're not American, which is a really really hard thing because just like everyone else that has come to this country, they have learned the language, they've learned the systems, they've learned everything, and they're trying their best to do what they can within their families. They're taking their families into a really hard place, but they know it can be better if they come here and they do what they're supposed to do. And just because your head is down doesn't mean that you're not that, that you shouldn't be value, that you shouldn't be heard, that you shouldn't that your life doesn't mean anything. So it's been really really hard to watch this go down and this increase over the last year and not really been talked about until the last couple of months. Is this something And I'm you know, granted, like the children are still so young, like Samuel's four, but is this some sort of conversation that you're having in your homes with these children. And I can imagine once they do become a little bit older, you definitely probably want to bring your culture to the kids as well. And that's something that I'm sure you want to keep in the household and near and dear to your heart. So what kind of conversation are you and Sean having of like how you want to bring your cultures together with the children. So my mom is like she's full Filipino she's born in the States and she's a Filipino historian, so she is I mean, she has she has a book she wrote, I think it was at twenty four years old about the Filipino history in the eighteen hundreds to the nineteen hundreds. So she's like very well versed in the history of the Filipino community in the United States. She also has like I'm just gonna brag her, my mom, she's what's up. She has a Filipino exhibit at Wing Luke Asian Art Museum in Seattle. So there's this Asian Art museum and um, it's she has an exhibit and she's run it for years because she's just so proud of her culture. And you know, in turn, my sisters and I were only half Filipino, but she made us. You know, we learned the work like how to spell Philippine at a very young age, and we were in Filipino folk dance. We were so immersed in the Filippino culture in the community in Seattle, and now like it's part of me, Like it's something that I love so much, that Filipino dancing and karaoke and the food and the family and elders like that just is part of me, just like everybody else. How how you grew up is how you kind of want to Either some people want to bring it forward or some people want to like suppress things. And we've just celebrated not only the Philipino culture, but like every other culture. My parents met in Japan and they took a their honeymoon in Africa. My parents are very well traveled and they're very cultured. And something that I love is bringing the food and the stories very at the forefront. Early one, right, we're eating falafo at home, We're having gyoza. We're trying, I mean, we put out to my kids. We start with food because that's just something that they can grasp, and we start like, okay, this is from this is from Africa, and what does that mean and where does that look like? And what do they hold dear to them? So it's just it's fun for me. I think. Also, what's really really important now is representation. You know, I'm thirty four years old, but Rya in the Last Dragon is a new Disney movie and now I finally have a Disney princess, you know. So it's it's these things where as a kid you don't really think about it, but as a half Asian woman, it's really hard to kind of fit in and you're trying to think, Okay, well, I'm not Filipino and and I'm not white enough, where do I fit? And so many people now are kind of feeling that way. And the only real way to start at a young age to understand is exposure. And my kids are exposed to so many things, and that's so important to shaunomy Sean knows how big of a part my family and what my heritage is, and he cannot He is so excited to celebrate that with our kids. I mean, when we are trying to figure out what kind of name we wanted to name our daughter, Mahia is my middle name, and it's my mom's maiden name, and it's my grandmother's last name, and Mahia is Filipino. And so when we were talking about names, he said Mia and I was like, um, me is okay. And then he's like, what about me and Mahia And I was like, okay, you just you like it. That is absolutely her name. And so he and I are just so on the same page of exposing our children to different cultures different people, different abilities, making sure that they're just aware so that they can they can have meaningful conversations. But that starts really early, and to show them, hey, this is somebody that means something to you. This is somebody that means everybody needs something to you. So when you see somebody that is out there at the park, you're not like, Okay, I shouldn't be scared of them. It's no, this is a person and you need to treat them with respect. And you always have to be nice to everybody. And I think so much of what we're experiencing right now could be just paired back to how do we tell our children how to act well. We need to kind of listen to ourselves and how we're speaking other people. Do you like, hey, kids, you need to listen, you need to share, you need to respect other people and their space. I mean, there's just like so many things. If we just bring it back and understand how to treat other people just at the base of humans, like, so much of these things would not be happening. And I just it's such a sad thing that we kind of have to unlearn so many bad things and hurtful things to get back to basics. I mean, what's do you if you if you see something that's going on that's bad, do something about it. It doesn't matter what it is. If there's something injustice, you do something about it. If someone is getting talked about, like loudly getting talked down to with the park and you can sense that it's something wrong, you say something you said, and there's something I can do. It doesn't matter anything other than what humans should be doing for each other. And I think that's where it should start at. So so well said, and like one of the things we've talked about is like we have to be better in this generation to be better for the next generation. And like you said, it starts with your children. And it's it's so sad because by the time that we get to the point where it becomes mainstream, it's been happening. Like you said, you know, it's it didn't start with what happened in Atlanta. This is it didn't start just last year with labeling a virus, you know that a certain way where it allowed people to blame other people for a virus. It started before that. I was looking into this and this goes into what you were saying about awareness, like if we have to unlearn things from the past, and we need to be aware though of how things were started in this country. And the Asian community has been discriminated by this government for centuries with the Chinese Exclusion Act and then internment. So these are deep rooted stereotypes, stereotypes and and and discriminate discrimination that has been come from the top and trickled down into our society, and we need to be aware of it and we need to know that so that we don't repeat that. So for people who are looking for resources and maybe didn't know some of these things, maybe you're just now becoming aware to what's happening to what's been happening to the Asian community. Where can they go to learn more? I don't know if it's like a social media page, if there's a website, if there are books, Where where can people go? Well, I mean, I'm not an expert on you know, the act, like the people that are really really nicking in difference, But when you see people post stag stop asition hate and there's the resources, there's like a ton of people to follow websites to donate to education, to donate too. But I feel like so much of it needs to just be at a human level. Let's start with having those conversations with our kids. If we see somebody out Like I was at the zoo and Samuel saw this girl's beautiful blit braided hair and she's black girl and she had this beautiful long red hair and Samuel said, you know, oh her look at her hair? And I said, isn't it cool? Like, don't like it, isn't it beautiful? These are things that we need to be kind of talking about in every like everywhere's an opportunity, and whether that's supporting local Asian cuisine right now because they've taken a huge hit. Um, you know, any Asian business right now is struggling because of what's going on. You know, obviously COVID. But I think starting in your community, making sure that I wouldn't necessarily say, like check out on your Asian friends, maybe that's maybe that's going to be helpful to some people. But I feel like making a fundamental point to hey, okay, this week, let's try a different cuisine. Let's try let's go to Vietnamese food, Let's go to Thai food, or let's go to a museum of art and see like an Asian art museum and see. The difference is because the range of Asians, it's so big, and I think so many people think, Okay, well this is like tiger mom, so that's that must be all of them. I didn't grow up with the tiger mom. That's not a Filipino thing. So I think really educating yourself on the beauty of all the cultures in Asia is really just somewhere. Because you know, I love to talk about the fact that in Filipino we're at the park or whatever. Some people come up to me it's like, oh, well, where are you from. I love that because it's an opportunity to shop. But some people don't like that because they might feel like, oh, well, is that all that you think of me? It's like, that's it's just you just want to know where I'm from. I think it should happen naturally in conversation. But there's so many different variations of Asians. What they look like, what they eat, what they revere, what you know, what they just who they are and how they grow up and what kind of cultural values they hold. But for the most part, they're all there. Food is really important, their stories their elders are really important, and I think we can all kind of agree on that. So I feel like if we kind of just again in we take things down and we take all the layers away, we're all wanting the same thing. We want health for our families, we want love, and we want respect. But again, I feel like the just to kind of go back if you go because so many people are posting, and that's such an awesome thing. If you follow a ton of publications right now are showing the resources. So like, even if you don't follow Asian people, which I you know, maybe branch out and try and see if there's somebody that you might like, whether it's a chef or an artist. There's like a ton of wonderful small businesses that are owned by Asian people that are proud and want to show our cultures. So check out that all the resources. There's like so many that I can't even remember them well. And I love too that You're just like your mentality is like immerse yourself in different cultures, like and that's one thing that I mean, obviously twenty has put a hit on so many different things, but the fact that like now people can't even travel and so it's like, go and travel to these incredible places like I like, to the day I die, I will say my favorite places that I've traveled our Thailand and Bali, for the religion, for the culture, for the food, for all the things that if people you know, can just for a lot of people too, because I grew up in Minnesota and a lot of them are like homebodies and don't necessarily like they don't know what they're missing until they do it. They don't feel that need. But if you can just step outside of comfort zones and push yourself to have a conversation or to go eat at a new place that you never normally would like, those are baby steps, and those are simple things that we can do in our society to just gain a better understanding and respect for others. One thing that I want to ask you because I recently read an article I think it was the one in E News that you that you wrote a new said you felt like when you were on the show bringing it back to sean season, you felt like and I don't want to I don't want to quote this because I don't know if these were your exact words, but you said you felt like you were on the show because you were kind of checking their box, you know, for having an Asian woman portrayed on his season. So you know, and that was season seventeen, so that was several years ago. So since then, and I'm assuming you still watch or keep up with the Bachelor of franchise as a whole for the most part a little bit hopefully in some way. So since then, since you felt that back for season seventeen, have you seen any sort of change for the better? Do you wish that the franchise would have moved faster in more diversity as a whole or watching it now, what are some steps that you would urge the franchise to take to include more Asians, more people of color, to better represent society. Well, I feel like they're doing a good job of now. Kind of going in the lead has to have some sort of attraction to different ethnicities. I think it starts there because other than that, it's like filler And that feels wrong. That feels wrong because you're not giving people a chance to really go up higher into like how long weeks go on and you can't see them represented long enough because they're not genuinely attracted. So like Sean has dated a wacke role, He's dated a Filipino, and I feel like when he said I'm attracted to any race, he meant it. And so when they all came on, right, we all came on, I didn't know that. I thought, Okay, it's a slawn why guy, he likes s long roles, like I'm just here because I just am am ethnic and I'm checking the box. And that's generally what I thought because I didn't know enough. And that was a my bad because I just assumed because he looked like that and he was from Texas, and that pleas to yeah, exactly, so right, So I feel like if we're getting and I think it's also a leads um responsibility to say, like, well, I'm really not attracted to X, Y and Z like theyre I'm sure they're saying like okay, like can you did you say Rachel like who you were attracted to? Yeah? Yeah, but like everybody, but yeah, right, But like if somebody doesn't mean that, they're just saying it because it's like the nice thing to say, then they're gonna they're gonna cast beautiful, rich cultural people that aren't going to go far because they just didn't have a chance because they're genuinely not attracted. So I think when we're getting up into now, okay, we're having black leads and we're having um, you know, I don't now it's just really it's just black, but Kasia, it's half um. Yeah. So I think it's it's starting with the lead because genuinely, I feel like casting has a job to do right and they want to represent, but it's also the lead who chooses who stays longer. And if they're genuinely not attracted to people of different cultures, I think it starts there because then they're not going to get to stay longer, which you want to hear their stories, you want to see represented more. So it can just be like, okay, well there's you know, there's three black holes on the season now, and they're all falling off in the first couple of weeks because they weren't. They're just you're getting a lead who's not attracted to that and not just at really fair right, So I feel like they need to maybe just chast someone. And I don't know if that's looking into the background or I don't know what it is, but I think it's it's having an honest conversation with the leads. Hey, if you're not attractive, and then this is a deal work you know, Yeah, I don't know. Definitely no amazing suggestion and something that we definitely need to see and hopefully we will. Hopefully we will moving forward. Now, Katherine, you're what we call a superwoman. Okay. You not only are the mother of three young, very young, beautiful children, you are a wife. You are using your platform to bring awareness to what is happening to your community and how and how we can all be better in that sense. After listening to you talk, I'm saying you're a human humanitarian as well. I mean, seriously, I was motivated. I was like, let me have a baby so I can like train this baby to be better for this country because this country did seriously. But you are also a businesswoman, and can you talk to us about what it is that you do your business loco the importance of just working, owning your own business and setting that example for your daughter. So I never expected to be entrepreneur. It's like it's too scary for me, it's too unknown for me. I was like, clock me in at eight thirty clock me out at five, I'll go live my life. I was fine with that. I was a graphic designer at Amazon, and so my background is in the creative space. And when I met Sean, obviously most people they fall off their normal job right when they get up shut because you're like, okay, well wait, we can do so, we can, we can we have some flexibility here. Yeah, And so when I came to Dallas, I felt like a fish out of water, to be honest, like it's one hundred and eighty degrees different from Seattle. I didn't know what my value was because I'm like, wait, I'm just here as your fiance. Like that's that's crazy because I have this beautiful resume I have, like I feel like I have a lot to bring to the table. But it's kind of okay, well now this guy's the limit. But you have to choose. So I started Loco, which I thought was going to be easy when I was pregnant, which is the dumbest thing. If you ever start a business, do not do it all you're pregnant. Although pregnant people decide to like take on a ton of things because they're just I don't know what it is, but you're super motivated when you're pregnant to just like, oh, let's move. You're like, oh, this terrible idea, but you're like, I don't know, I just got to do something. But I did that when I was pregnant with Samuel, and I brought my love of like design to like high end paper goods and so. And I also wanted to just understand the industry and out because I I felt kind of like, Okay, well, I don't know anybody I don't want to do and I just started talking to a woman who owns her a small business for herself, and I felt like, okay, well, I hope she doesn't take this the wrong way because I've never started anything before. But I asked her, like, what do you like? Where do you start? And this awesome And I'll always credit her till the day I die. She her company is called Southern Fried Paper, and I loved her pieces. She's like an event wedding planner and she does like all the beautiful pieces for it. And I said, like, I hope I'm not stepping on your toes. Please tell me if I am, because I just don't know what to do. But like, who do you who does your paper. And she told me, she's like, girl, you like women have to help each other and you're not going to be like we're not competitors. So I was like, wow, this is the coolest, Like that's how I want to start my business. That's how I want to like inspire other women. We have to help each other, Like sorry, you out there. So she helped me out and I started from there and I make you know, luck regreeting cards, and now we offer plantable cards, which is like the coolest thing that we do. We have like like herb embedded uh wild like cards that have the seeds so you can plant the cards wrote on it. Yeah, I love that, so you can do like it's like basil time, lemonments and um parsley, and then there's also like non evasive wildflowers and like that was I was. I was kind of a Hippian scattle, like I was vegan, and I wrote the bus and I wrote bucks also, so like when I started the company, I wanted to start with the plantables, but then I didn't want to be only known for that, So we have like this very elevated it's called blind embossed, which is really hard to see, but it's a very intimate, elevated UM take on a greeting card, and so they're they're like keepsakes. They're hundred percent cotton, they're super thick, so that the cotton ones are the ones that aren't plantable, and then our plantable ones are fully plantable. They use one hundred percent recycled paper, their own unim states, and everything else about that collection is super conscious. We have recycled envelopes, we have compostable sleeves, and so I just I took that one so to heart and I absolutely love that collection. People really do too. And it's on it's only a seasonal product, but it has a shelf life of three years, so people can use them, they can get down. I think they're great for you know, um condolences because you don't want to say anything. You don't want to say, so you're like, here's a plan out, there's a car, here's a plant, and you can plant it and just think about It's kind of like it forget me not. But um, I just I love what I do. I feel like it's such a like I worked really hard to get to the place where I was professionally and to kind of have that stop, and I got to like reassess. Now I get to do things with the flexibility of staying at home, with the flexibility of Okay, I'm on maternulately for a year, putting it on pause if I want to. And that's the beauty of being an entrepreneur is really choosing the pace. And I haven't really been like that hardcore climb the ladder of person. So Sean and I are just so blessed that we get to do things at our own pace and then we own our own company. It's tough. I mean, I will not lie. There are so many things. There's tons of challenges to be in leadership position. But I think showing your children that you can do varying things and have a balance, that's been like something that I prioritize in my life is a balance. Right Like right now I'm wearing a nice top, I have sweatpants on, so like like we can do like we can write, we can do that and feel like we don't need to compromise as long as we have our priorities and check and and that's what I've I've definitely like when I started the company, I was like, oh, I'm gonna stay at home and work with you know, work with my baby on my boob. And you're like, okay, well it's not really as easy as that, but eventually you'll get to that place where it's super flexible. You need to do well. Catherine, you have been so incredible to talk to. I feel like, in a way, I feel like I relate to you so much. It's like all about the work life balance, and you work hard to be able to celebrate and appreciate the moments and the memories with your family and friends in life. And so I'm just so happy that we've had you on today. But I also for all of our listeners, I truly want to to express and just urge you to please go check out Catherine's loco and Katherine, I'm going to have you plug everything so people can find you. But it's so important, and I want to stress, like you know, it's important to not only support women run businesses, but Asian businesses, and so please tell us where all of our listeners can go and find you find Loco. I know I'm going to personally stock up because these plantable sound incredible, So let us say yeah, and I pack them personally, so I'll get just look at love. I am the janitor, I am the designer, truly jack of all trains. You guys not want to do it when you're an entrepreneur, but it's been awesome to just be on here talking to you guys. I honestly have felt very empowered by both of your messages in the past year, and I feel like, just we have to band together, um and just show show what women are capable of. Yeah, because I mean I'm just women. Like I could go on about women, but like what would they do without us? True, they would be chickens with their head problems right right, picking apples off trees, hitting each other, hitting each other, knocking each other down, like women are disultimate. I love it. I think it's so cool and um, just to kind of keep keeping like holding each other's hands and and like bringing all of us up because it's just so it's so important today, it's important, yesterday, it's important tomorrow. Um. And I think it's really cool to see start to see change and to start to see people speak up a little bit more about how how incredible women are, how incredible people are, and I just I love people. But before you get off, Please tell us where where our listeners can come find you. Okay, I just go Loco, which means go crazy. A lot of people say lo and co. But I didn't see all my husband's last name for nothing. It's Loco, like crazy. So go Loco, go crazy dot g O l Owe c dot com. Yes, so everyone please go check out Go Loco. Stop of support Catherine, Um and Catherine. It has been such a pleasure. Give those cute little babies hugs and squeezes from us. Give Sean a big hug. I haven't seen you, guys. I mean the last time I saw you, we were in New York City. Yeah, a sleep number even, which is, like I have to say, probably the coolest event to just like sit on beds and talk before tonight. But I hope once the world gets back to some somewhat normalcy, we can all reunite and just catch up. But thank you for joining you talking to you guys. She's awesome. M you know what they don't make contestants like, don't play that far. She's awesome, Like, yes, awesome. I see why Sean picked her. Um. I've met Catherine once, but gosh, I just like fall deeper in love with her each time. She's just somebody that I think like any kind of woman can can relate to her, or like she just makes you feel special, Like she's not. You know, sometimes people come off the show and they're like only into the glitz and the glam and the hype and this batch nation, if you will. And she's and obviously I didn't know her prior to the show, but like she just seems like she stayed so grounded, so like who she was before the show is who she is now with just an incredible husband and three incredible kids, and like she's a badass businesswoman. She also, I mean when she said, you know, have a nice top blouse on top, but I'm wearing sweatpans on the bottom, I'm like, girl, it's it's the zoom quarantine look. And I feel because I do it every day, And I have to say to her, reputation precedes her. I did not watch their season. You know, I've been outspoken. I didn't watch the show before I was on it, but um, once I got on the show and I came back to Dallas, mutual friends would speak so highly of Catherine. It's it's funny they were like, no, we never met Sean. We know Catherine. Kavin's awesome. Cavin's so much fun, She's so like, such a good time and she's so great and so warm, And I was like, I'm going to make this Catherine. We have a lot of mutual friends, so I didn't end up having the chance to meet her, but yeah, she's she's just as lovely in person to talk to on this podcast. We hope you guys enjoyed her just as much if you weren't familiar with her before. We hope that you do a deep dive into her now, into her company, into her family, into what she represents, who she represents. And yeah, can't speak highly enough about Catherine. Yes, and please as always like make sure you support your fellow women, and especially right now the Asian businesses like she like she said go loco on Instagram. But I also just loved how she said just immerse herself in the culture and appreciate anyone that is different, who actuallyferent who looks different from you can bring to the table. And so I'm excited, I really truly am just see how her children grow up, because I feel like they're going to raise those three kidos so well the world. Yeah, exactly so. And her message it starts with you, you guys. Don't wait for something to happen, don't wait for change to happen. It starts with you. Be the difference. Preach it girl. All Right, you guys, as always, it has been so much fun hanging out with you this week. And Rachel I said it last week, but again, I'm so happy to have you back. It's happy to be always a great time. So you guys keep writing into us and letting us know your thoughts. Maybe who you want to hear on the podcast in the coming weeks. You know where to find us at Batch or Happy Hour on Instagram and at Batch Happy Hour on Facebook and Twitter. And don't forget. If you never want to miss an episode, please subscribe to our podcast. You can do that on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Wonder App, or wherever you were listening to our voices right now. 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