Season 1 Highlights, Part 2: The Mindset Shifts Every Rider Needs to Hear

1
00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:02,820
I'm on this big journey
across the country, right?

2
00:00:02,970 --> 00:00:07,125
And I'm talking to so many amazing
horsemen and so many amazing horse women.

3
00:00:08,535 --> 00:00:09,795
And I am learning more.

4
00:00:09,855 --> 00:00:14,025
It feels like a bit of a fire
hose of information sometimes, and

5
00:00:14,565 --> 00:00:19,995
I've thought a couple times, am
I going, is is the horse world?

6
00:00:19,995 --> 00:00:25,064
Is horsemanship, are horses
going to be more clear to me

7
00:00:25,064 --> 00:00:28,785
after or less clear to me after?

8
00:00:28,785 --> 00:00:28,875
And.

9
00:00:31,314 --> 00:00:37,705
Right now, it's almost like the more you
know, the more you realize you don't know.

10
00:00:38,425 --> 00:00:44,065
Like the more I learn and the more
amazing, like really, truly amazing horse

11
00:00:44,425 --> 00:00:48,175
brains that come and sit in the studio,

12
00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,135
it almost makes things simpler.

13
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,330
Like it does simplify kind of the core
val, like the core elements of what

14
00:00:57,330 --> 00:01:00,060
makes this whole horse world tick.

15
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,080
But at the same time, it like
almost, I have almost like more

16
00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,240
questions than I did when I left.

17
00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:08,670
That's really interesting.

18
00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:13,080
Yeah, I think you're getting a good, a
really good picture with it, with what

19
00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,890
you are doing and the, the variety you
are seeing and the places you're going to.

20
00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:18,480
It's just incredible.

21
00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:22,960
Dear horse world, it's Josh Nickel.

22
00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:25,960
That's what mentorship is truly about.

23
00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:30,220
Leadership isn't about, um,
making things do things.

24
00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,620
Leadership is about doing
something to such a degree that

25
00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:34,090
other things wanna be around you.

26
00:01:34,330 --> 00:01:34,690
Okay.

27
00:01:34,690 --> 00:01:34,850
Wait, wait.

28
00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:35,680
You have to say that again.

29
00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,130
Leadership's not about
making horses do things.

30
00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:40,390
It's about being an example.

31
00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,630
It's about allowing yourself to be
something that other things wanna be

32
00:01:43,630 --> 00:01:45,820
around, and that's the polarity of energy.

33
00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,340
So when we're live, we're
existing in a hard state.

34
00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:49,539
It actually pushes stuff away.

35
00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,250
When you start to live in a state
where what's going on in you is

36
00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:55,200
at peace, it draws stuff to you.

37
00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:56,490
That's just the nature of it.

38
00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:00,930
You, when someone is angry and frustrated
and it's not like you're like, oh, I

39
00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:02,790
wanna be around that person, you know?

40
00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:07,200
But when a person is confident and
calm and, and seems to have this way

41
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,080
about them, that they navigate the
world differently, you're like, man,

42
00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,060
I want to know who is that person.

43
00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:12,300
You know?

44
00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:13,020
You get drawn to them.

45
00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:14,490
And that's just a polarity.

46
00:02:14,490 --> 00:02:15,750
And animals are like that too.

47
00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:18,570
They want to be around
that type of energy.

48
00:02:18,570 --> 00:02:20,970
And this is really what, you know,
I've been doing this for a while

49
00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:25,230
now and I've just worked with a ton
of horses and, and you just watch.

50
00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:28,530
I don't really remember the moment
when it really clicked for me that it's

51
00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:31,890
like, Josh, if you want your horse to
feel safer around you, then you have

52
00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:33,720
to be doing what you desire them to do.

53
00:02:34,424 --> 00:02:36,945
But if, if you want your horse's
mind to be okay, how is your mind?

54
00:02:37,244 --> 00:02:40,815
Like you just come to the arena
and you are buzzing, and you

55
00:02:40,815 --> 00:02:41,864
want your horse to pay attention.

56
00:02:42,195 --> 00:02:44,894
You want your horse to settle their
thoughts when your energy is swimming

57
00:02:44,894 --> 00:02:48,614
around like a wasp mess with a
rock thrown through it, you know?

58
00:02:48,614 --> 00:02:51,524
And then, okay, you want your horse
to show up and feel safe in your

59
00:02:51,524 --> 00:02:52,799
space, but you're all closed off.

60
00:02:52,799 --> 00:02:56,834
And then you want your horse to not react
to pressure, but you just freaked out

61
00:02:56,834 --> 00:02:59,415
about somebody cutting you off in traffic.

62
00:02:59,894 --> 00:03:00,225
You know?

63
00:03:00,285 --> 00:03:01,605
So it's like, how do you.

64
00:03:02,205 --> 00:03:05,775
Energy moves by the way
we engage that concept.

65
00:03:05,925 --> 00:03:06,105
Yeah.

66
00:03:06,405 --> 00:03:08,835
And so then that's where that
personal work comes, because now it's

67
00:03:08,835 --> 00:03:11,415
actually in me to be a model of that.

68
00:03:11,445 --> 00:03:12,825
Now you don't have to be perfect at it.

69
00:03:12,825 --> 00:03:15,885
And I, I feel like a lot of people
feel sometimes over pressured by this.

70
00:03:15,885 --> 00:03:18,405
It's like, holy smokes, well, well,
I can never work with my horse then

71
00:03:18,855 --> 00:03:20,204
because we make these big Yeah.

72
00:03:20,204 --> 00:03:21,225
Absolute adjustments.

73
00:03:21,285 --> 00:03:21,315
Yeah.

74
00:03:21,315 --> 00:03:22,665
And, and I don't think
it's that way at all.

75
00:03:23,535 --> 00:03:26,445
What I've recognized with horses is that
all they kind of care is that you're.

76
00:03:27,015 --> 00:03:28,935
That you're trying to do the thing
you're trying to ask them to do

77
00:03:29,055 --> 00:03:30,255
Because we reward the try.

78
00:03:30,345 --> 00:03:30,525
Yeah,

79
00:03:30,795 --> 00:03:31,155
exactly.

80
00:03:31,155 --> 00:03:33,225
So why wouldn't we apply the
same concept to ourselves?

81
00:03:33,225 --> 00:03:33,674
Exactly.

82
00:03:34,185 --> 00:03:36,285
So as you start to advance in
these concepts and you just become

83
00:03:36,285 --> 00:03:37,785
mindful of maybe what are you doing?

84
00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:41,115
Like, but that a lot of horsemanship
is based off of those two pillars,

85
00:03:41,115 --> 00:03:45,225
you know, is this, is this change
first the responsibility of me?

86
00:03:45,615 --> 00:03:47,115
Or is it first the
responsibility of my horse?

87
00:03:47,505 --> 00:03:50,894
And so a dominant based style
would say the horse has to change.

88
00:03:50,954 --> 00:03:51,734
I don't have to change.

89
00:03:52,155 --> 00:03:53,865
I'm not gonna change
when the behavior is bad.

90
00:03:53,865 --> 00:03:55,334
I'm gonna fix that behavior in the horse.

91
00:03:55,695 --> 00:03:58,005
But I don't have to show up any
different, which is somewhat

92
00:03:58,005 --> 00:03:59,325
appealing and very efficient.

93
00:03:59,355 --> 00:03:59,955
Yeah, totally.

94
00:03:59,955 --> 00:04:03,405
I don't wanna change, I don't wanna, uh,
because it means we have to start taking

95
00:04:03,405 --> 00:04:06,735
responsibility, and that's another big
piece that I might have to be responsible

96
00:04:06,735 --> 00:04:09,795
for the ways that I have acted in the
past or the things that I've done.

97
00:04:10,215 --> 00:04:11,595
There's a bit of a process to that.

98
00:04:12,135 --> 00:04:14,655
Um, but as soon as I can say that,

99
00:04:15,285 --> 00:04:15,525
Hmm,

100
00:04:16,815 --> 00:04:19,725
what's going on, me, within
me is a big part of this.

101
00:04:19,815 --> 00:04:22,305
And if I can first take responsibility
for what's happening within me,

102
00:04:22,905 --> 00:04:24,285
then the energy around me changes.

103
00:04:24,885 --> 00:04:27,585
And that's now how a horse starts
to read your space different.

104
00:04:28,665 --> 00:04:32,115
So part of receiving state or
getting a horse to engage with space.

105
00:04:32,115 --> 00:04:34,215
And that's what lady was
in my mind, inviting.

106
00:04:34,215 --> 00:04:37,605
The first was that she was saying,
Noelle, you have to get into the space.

107
00:04:37,605 --> 00:04:38,745
You have to be authentic.

108
00:04:38,805 --> 00:04:40,815
And you and I have had good
conversations around Oh yeah.

109
00:04:40,995 --> 00:04:43,845
The importance, especially of this
trip of just showing up and just

110
00:04:43,965 --> 00:04:46,545
being seen, which seems vulnerable.

111
00:04:46,605 --> 00:04:46,695
Yeah.

112
00:04:46,695 --> 00:04:49,395
But that was her first, that was
the first thing I got from her.

113
00:04:49,485 --> 00:04:49,725
Yeah.

114
00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:49,940
Was.

115
00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:52,380
This is a part of me that needs to heal.

116
00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:54,390
This is where I'm storing
a lot of my stuff.

117
00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:54,780
Yeah.

118
00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:56,550
I trust you enough to talk about it.

119
00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:56,910
Yeah.

120
00:04:57,420 --> 00:05:01,830
And then she was also inviting you to get
more engaged into a spatial conversation.

121
00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:01,980
Yeah.

122
00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,070
Which primarily was based on authenticity.

123
00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:05,460
Yes.

124
00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:06,720
Showing up and being yourself.

125
00:05:09,535 --> 00:05:09,955
Deleah.

126
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,970
Welcome to the Dear Horse World Podcast.

127
00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:12,390
Thank you.

128
00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:13,440
Thanks for the invitation.

129
00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:16,980
What is the most common
message you get from horses?

130
00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:25,200
Most common would be for people to
understand that the horse isn't so much

131
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:31,020
in their life for the discipline or for
the the riding, but for purpose, because

132
00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:33,450
that's just my work and they always.

133
00:05:33,855 --> 00:05:37,815
Almost always come back to purpose
between their, their human and themselves.

134
00:05:38,025 --> 00:05:40,695
When you talk about purpose,
what do you mean by that?

135
00:05:40,845 --> 00:05:42,915
Why they're, why they're together.

136
00:05:43,305 --> 00:05:47,115
And usually horses are here to help
bring out something within that human to

137
00:05:47,115 --> 00:05:49,905
support it, to free them from something.

138
00:05:49,905 --> 00:05:53,895
And I have, you know,
tons of just amazing, um.

139
00:05:55,724 --> 00:05:57,945
Amazing little quotes
of insight from horses.

140
00:05:58,005 --> 00:06:02,025
Um, like I have this one friend, and
she's not really into all of this, but

141
00:06:02,055 --> 00:06:03,914
she and her horse had a connection.

142
00:06:03,914 --> 00:06:04,995
She gave him away twice.

143
00:06:04,995 --> 00:06:06,765
She had a Hanna variant and he was armory.

144
00:06:06,765 --> 00:06:07,905
She gave him away twice.

145
00:06:07,905 --> 00:06:08,354
Twice.

146
00:06:08,594 --> 00:06:09,375
He came back.

147
00:06:09,885 --> 00:06:10,875
Oh, interesting.

148
00:06:10,875 --> 00:06:11,235
Oh, yeah.

149
00:06:11,265 --> 00:06:12,945
He was like a $40,000 horse.

150
00:06:12,945 --> 00:06:14,640
And she, he was, he was ornery.

151
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,205
He, he could, but Marley was Marley.

152
00:06:17,715 --> 00:06:18,284
But.

153
00:06:19,305 --> 00:06:24,525
They were, they were just so joined so
deeply outside of this physical twice.

154
00:06:24,525 --> 00:06:26,805
She rehomed him and he
came back both times.

155
00:06:26,895 --> 00:06:30,730
He'd be so honored he'd come back,
but he was, it was on purpose.

156
00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:32,290
So he was meant to be with her.

157
00:06:32,290 --> 00:06:32,310
Oh yeah.

158
00:06:32,310 --> 00:06:33,735
It was, and it was totally on purpose.

159
00:06:33,735 --> 00:06:34,515
He arranged it.

160
00:06:34,605 --> 00:06:34,695
Mm-hmm.

161
00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:34,770
Yeah.

162
00:06:35,685 --> 00:06:35,925
Yeah.

163
00:06:36,045 --> 00:06:36,135
Cool.

164
00:06:36,465 --> 00:06:38,445
And he told her he was there to.

165
00:06:38,895 --> 00:06:39,885
Um, help her.

166
00:06:39,915 --> 00:06:42,345
Well, there one of, there were several
things, but he talked a lot about,

167
00:06:42,345 --> 00:06:46,845
oh, horses talk about vulnerability
a lot, surrender and vulnerability.

168
00:06:46,845 --> 00:06:50,265
Sometimes they call it the surrender,
the great surrender, or when, when you

169
00:06:50,265 --> 00:06:51,735
do the surrender, I just got goose bumps.

170
00:06:51,735 --> 00:06:55,035
It's like, it's this
whole different thing.

171
00:06:55,035 --> 00:07:01,125
It's not just an action, it's, it's like,
um, it's this ritual or this step that

172
00:07:01,125 --> 00:07:02,620
you, it is this process that you take.

173
00:07:03,885 --> 00:07:05,295
It surrender is a a lot.

174
00:07:05,295 --> 00:07:06,465
And then vulnerability.

175
00:07:06,585 --> 00:07:10,425
And he was talking about she built walls
and when she, he learned, when she learned

176
00:07:10,425 --> 00:07:12,735
to be vulnerable, then she would be free.

177
00:07:14,175 --> 00:07:15,975
Which, um, maybe talks to Brene Brown.

178
00:07:15,975 --> 00:07:16,665
I don't know you.

179
00:07:17,969 --> 00:07:18,450
Wow.

180
00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,789
I just got total goosebumps from that.

181
00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:21,120
Yeah.

182
00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,140
Surrender's a big thing.

183
00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:26,070
In fact, I did this reading, an unwanted
reading from a horse at a rescue.

184
00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:27,240
The, they weren't interested.

185
00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,479
I, I volunteered to do readings for
this marere that had kept coming back.

186
00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:34,770
Mm. And so if at least if you have
insight, then maybe it'll be better.

187
00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:37,919
But she talked about horses don't,
humans don't want the horse to sur

188
00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:39,659
they want the horse to surrender.

189
00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:40,979
They don't want to surrender.

190
00:07:41,849 --> 00:07:45,719
When humans learn to surrender,
then they can find common ground.

191
00:07:46,395 --> 00:07:48,765
And this mayor, I mean, I did this
whole reading on this mayor, and if she

192
00:07:48,765 --> 00:07:52,065
would, if they would've placed her with
someone who didn't want to tame the

193
00:07:52,065 --> 00:07:57,975
Mustang or use the Mustang for a certain
thing, if they would've surrendered

194
00:07:57,975 --> 00:08:00,825
their expectations, she would've
gone through hell and back for them.

195
00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:01,410
Yeah.

196
00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,900
But the rescue just wasn't related to it.

197
00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,000
But horses talk a lot about surrender.

198
00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:08,250
Reminds me of the reading
that you we did with lady.

199
00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:08,910
Oh, a little bit.

200
00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:09,715
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

201
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:09,960
That

202
00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,040
strong mare energy that she's like,
I'm here for a very particular purpose.

203
00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:14,400
Yeah.

204
00:08:14,820 --> 00:08:17,400
And Iwo, I'm not interested
in anything else.

205
00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:17,910
Right.

206
00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:18,300
Yeah.

207
00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,260
And those horses

208
00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:19,950
can get in trouble.

209
00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:21,840
And Lady did has been in trouble.

210
00:08:21,870 --> 00:08:22,050
Yeah.

211
00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:24,720
She's had a Been returned
and rehomed many times.

212
00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,140
That's right.

213
00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:25,230
Yeah.

214
00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:27,300
Been told many times
that she was too much.

215
00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:27,990
Too much buck.

216
00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:29,190
Too much, too.

217
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:29,790
Too much.

218
00:08:30,095 --> 00:08:32,825
Pushiness too aggressive,
all these things.

219
00:08:32,855 --> 00:08:32,945
Mm-hmm.

220
00:08:33,305 --> 00:08:39,815
Um, and so, yeah, it's interesting that
we, that what, what, what happens when

221
00:08:39,815 --> 00:08:43,025
we look at that behavior spiritually.

222
00:08:43,175 --> 00:08:43,325
Yeah.

223
00:08:43,325 --> 00:08:48,245
You know, is that horse
fighting to get something across

224
00:08:48,275 --> 00:08:49,355
that we're not listening to

225
00:08:49,625 --> 00:08:53,045
If they have to draw a line so you
can't go further until you listen.

226
00:08:53,045 --> 00:08:56,675
A lot of them will do it, but sometimes
as humans, we're incapable of.

227
00:08:57,599 --> 00:09:02,310
Of seeing that this, this line in the
sand is actually a message back to us.

228
00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:05,969
My mayor, I finally learned
with my mayor chant that, um,

229
00:09:06,449 --> 00:09:09,300
when she's being incredibly
resistant, there's a message here.

230
00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,069
At first, I, I wanted to push through it.

231
00:09:11,069 --> 00:09:12,630
It's like, why are you so resistant?

232
00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:13,079
Hmm.

233
00:09:13,079 --> 00:09:15,030
And she's probably going to
me, why are you so resistant?

234
00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:16,625
You know, why are, you're so stupid.

235
00:09:17,939 --> 00:09:21,000
But now I've learned when
she's resistant that.

236
00:09:22,589 --> 00:09:25,530
She's actually asking me
choose something else.

237
00:09:25,739 --> 00:09:27,390
And I don't know that
she knows the answer.

238
00:09:27,630 --> 00:09:30,089
Mm. She's wanting us to find the answer.

239
00:09:30,839 --> 00:09:35,160
So I've finally learned, and sometimes
it takes, you know, a few little head

240
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,030
bangings to, to remind me of it, but
it's like there's a different answer.

241
00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:40,530
I don't know what it
is, but let's find it.

242
00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:43,199
Dear horse world is William Fox Pitt.

243
00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:49,060
Everyone I've talked to about you is like.

244
00:09:49,815 --> 00:09:51,740
He's a total open book, and I was like,

245
00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,780
oh dear, what does that mean?

246
00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:54,100
That's my

247
00:09:54,260 --> 00:09:54,860
favorite person.

248
00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,780
But it's because again, it's
congruency or straight shooter.

249
00:09:59,205 --> 00:10:00,285
I like the way you call him.

250
00:10:00,285 --> 00:10:00,735
Straight.

251
00:10:00,825 --> 00:10:01,365
Simple,

252
00:10:01,455 --> 00:10:01,995
simple.

253
00:10:01,995 --> 00:10:02,655
I'm simple.

254
00:10:02,835 --> 00:10:03,435
Hmm.

255
00:10:03,495 --> 00:10:03,765
I quite

256
00:10:03,765 --> 00:10:04,365
like simple.

257
00:10:05,145 --> 00:10:07,275
I always say a bit thick is a bit good.

258
00:10:07,815 --> 00:10:09,525
I like, I like a horse as well.

259
00:10:09,525 --> 00:10:10,305
I like a horse.

260
00:10:10,305 --> 00:10:12,855
A horse is not too bright
as often a good horse.

261
00:10:13,485 --> 00:10:17,235
Okay, wait, let's unpack that
because I wanna know what that means.

262
00:10:17,295 --> 00:10:18,100
Tell me what you mean by that.

263
00:10:19,365 --> 00:10:19,905
Simple.

264
00:10:20,055 --> 00:10:23,565
If you are a bit thick, you're
a bit simple and you don't want

265
00:10:23,565 --> 00:10:25,155
horses with a massive imagination.

266
00:10:25,365 --> 00:10:26,595
I want them to be a bit simple.

267
00:10:27,915 --> 00:10:28,575
Interesting.

268
00:10:28,635 --> 00:10:30,045
Don't you think much easier?

269
00:10:30,285 --> 00:10:35,295
Well, I certainly think that
simplicity offers for a lot more harm.

270
00:10:35,295 --> 00:10:39,675
Sometimes a lot more harmony and a
lot more like happiness for people.

271
00:10:40,785 --> 00:10:44,685
And I definitely have heard a lot
of times people in the studio say,

272
00:10:44,925 --> 00:10:48,015
you know, love a love like a sweet.

273
00:10:48,375 --> 00:10:50,355
Maybe a little less smart gelding.

274
00:10:51,795 --> 00:10:57,675
Yeah, I think, um, probably if you look
in, look at our world a lot, many people

275
00:10:58,485 --> 00:11:00,945
are much happier if they're a bit thicker.

276
00:11:01,215 --> 00:11:05,110
I think sometimes you are a bit, if
you're a bit too bright, yeah, you are

277
00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:09,735
not, you know, you imagine too much
stuff and you worry and you imagine,

278
00:11:09,735 --> 00:11:12,465
and you fantasize and you complicate.

279
00:11:12,795 --> 00:11:14,895
If you're a little bit
dim, it's a good thing.

280
00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:20,940
Because I'm thinking about this for
myself, like as you're saying this,

281
00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:23,550
I'm going, oh, this, you're not wrong.

282
00:11:23,730 --> 00:11:25,560
Dear horse world, it's Dr. Jenny Susser.

283
00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:33,000
I think that self value, the self-worth
piece becomes really like connected to our

284
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,940
goals or connected to our achievements,
especially how could it not be?

285
00:11:35,940 --> 00:11:36,150
Right?

286
00:11:36,510 --> 00:11:37,620
Listen, we're human.

287
00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:38,190
Yeah, okay.

288
00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:38,910
We are human.

289
00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:43,020
And so there's intrinsic
and extrinsic motivation.

290
00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:43,980
Hmm.

291
00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:44,580
Right.

292
00:11:44,580 --> 00:11:47,610
So internal and external.

293
00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:51,810
External is the medal, the reward, the.

294
00:11:52,994 --> 00:11:56,474
Photo op, the Come Beyond my podcast.

295
00:11:56,505 --> 00:11:56,714
Yeah,

296
00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:57,944
the money.

297
00:11:58,035 --> 00:11:58,334
Yeah.

298
00:11:58,425 --> 00:11:58,724
Right.

299
00:11:58,724 --> 00:12:06,314
The internal is I got outta bed at four 30
in the morning every morning when it was

300
00:12:06,314 --> 00:12:12,314
dark and it was cold and I was tired and
I dragged my ass to swim practice anyway.

301
00:12:13,425 --> 00:12:13,814
Right?

302
00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:14,234
Yeah.

303
00:12:14,954 --> 00:12:16,035
And you gotta have both.

304
00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:21,015
I don't think one is, I don't think one
is more powerful than the other, I think.

305
00:12:21,195 --> 00:12:25,185
I think having a healthy blend of
internal and external intrinsic

306
00:12:25,185 --> 00:12:28,845
and extrinsic motivators, I
think that's very, very healthy.

307
00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:29,385
Cool.

308
00:12:29,535 --> 00:12:30,675
Listen, we all have ego.

309
00:12:30,945 --> 00:12:31,185
Yeah.

310
00:12:31,215 --> 00:12:32,325
Let's just be honest.

311
00:12:32,355 --> 00:12:32,925
Yeah, totally.

312
00:12:32,925 --> 00:12:33,565
Standing up there going.

313
00:12:34,860 --> 00:12:35,190
Yeah.

314
00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:35,610
Right.

315
00:12:35,610 --> 00:12:40,770
Like I mean, pounding your chest and
waving to the crowd and bending over for

316
00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:42,150
them to put the metal around your neck.

317
00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:42,840
Man, those dope.

318
00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:44,580
Come on.

319
00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:46,050
Chef's kiss.

320
00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:46,350
Right.

321
00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:50,700
Well, and I think what you're
touching on also makes me think

322
00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:52,620
of a lot of riders I've talked to

323
00:12:54,630 --> 00:13:02,190
say to me, I'm just a trail writer and
I'm always so distracted by the word just.

324
00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:03,375
That's great.

325
00:13:03,375 --> 00:13:09,380
'cause yeah, for, for me, like I get
calls and people will say, well, I,

326
00:13:09,495 --> 00:13:14,115
I, I'm just an adult amateur, would
you work with someone as lowly as me?

327
00:13:14,505 --> 00:13:17,115
Uh uh And I'm like, yeah,

328
00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:17,895
right.

329
00:13:18,045 --> 00:13:20,055
So I learned this from
Anne Griffins actually.

330
00:13:20,145 --> 00:13:20,505
Oh cool.

331
00:13:21,375 --> 00:13:21,785
Shout out to Anne.

332
00:13:21,785 --> 00:13:22,574
Shout out to Anne Griffins.

333
00:13:22,574 --> 00:13:24,105
I'm a huge Anne Griffins fan.

334
00:13:24,105 --> 00:13:24,705
I love Anne.

335
00:13:25,365 --> 00:13:28,755
So it was years and years and years ago.

336
00:13:28,755 --> 00:13:31,035
'cause I was still riding Robley my.

337
00:13:31,575 --> 00:13:33,255
About to turn 28.

338
00:13:33,435 --> 00:13:33,975
Oh wow.

339
00:13:34,005 --> 00:13:34,275
And

340
00:13:34,275 --> 00:13:34,875
delusion.

341
00:13:35,745 --> 00:13:42,585
So this had to have been like
2008 ish and she came to clinic

342
00:13:42,585 --> 00:13:44,475
and teach meta of course.

343
00:13:45,075 --> 00:13:50,415
And I watched the first day of rides
and I love to watch Anne teach.

344
00:13:50,415 --> 00:13:51,310
I think she is.

345
00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:53,220
Masterful.

346
00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:55,590
That's a whole other conversation.

347
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:59,730
So we go to dinner that night and I'm
sitting there and I look at her and I go,

348
00:13:59,730 --> 00:14:04,620
Anne, who would you rather teach a Grand
Prix rider or a training level rider?

349
00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:07,950
And she didn't even miss
a beat training level.

350
00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:09,750
And I was like.

351
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:16,020
Really, like I never would've
expected that from an Olympic coach,

352
00:14:16,020 --> 00:14:17,670
a, you know, an Olympic judge.

353
00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:21,750
She goes, the training level
rider still wants to learn.

354
00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:25,350
Oh, mic drop.

355
00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:26,340
Totally.

356
00:14:27,630 --> 00:14:32,340
And that was like, that was formative
for me as a professional because

357
00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:37,260
it's not about the level that you are
riding, competing, learning, training.

358
00:14:38,715 --> 00:14:39,975
It is about what you bring to that.

359
00:14:40,155 --> 00:14:40,905
Mm.

360
00:14:40,965 --> 00:14:44,055
And so are you just a trail writer?

361
00:14:44,085 --> 00:14:44,835
Who cares?

362
00:14:46,125 --> 00:14:47,775
So-and-so's just an Olympian?

363
00:14:48,585 --> 00:14:49,065
Yeah.

364
00:14:49,245 --> 00:14:49,725
Okay.

365
00:14:49,785 --> 00:14:54,525
We could say that, but it's really
about what, what you want to invest in

366
00:14:54,525 --> 00:14:56,295
it and what you want to get out of it.

367
00:14:56,295 --> 00:15:00,315
And again, that comes back to what
are you willing to compromise and

368
00:15:00,315 --> 00:15:02,205
sacrifice in order to get to your goal?

369
00:15:02,205 --> 00:15:03,225
And is all that worth it?

370
00:15:03,345 --> 00:15:03,675
Yeah.

371
00:15:03,735 --> 00:15:05,775
Does the, does the cost.

372
00:15:07,125 --> 00:15:08,895
Justify the benefit.

373
00:15:09,314 --> 00:15:09,465
Mm-hmm.

374
00:15:10,035 --> 00:15:15,314
And I'm also thinking like goal
setting and outlining smart goals

375
00:15:15,615 --> 00:15:19,005
for all of the trail riders who
are listening to this podcast.

376
00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:20,505
Yeah, you can do that.

377
00:15:20,745 --> 00:15:23,324
And I think it would, it offers structure.

378
00:15:23,745 --> 00:15:26,625
To something that you're like, oh,
I'm just, I'm just a trail rider.

379
00:15:26,775 --> 00:15:28,035
Everybody has goals.

380
00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:31,845
Even if your goal is like to go out and
see 10 birds you've never seen before

381
00:15:31,845 --> 00:15:33,705
while you're out on trail, who cares?

382
00:15:33,705 --> 00:15:33,765
Yeah.

383
00:15:33,770 --> 00:15:34,270
That's like cool.

384
00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:35,715
Does, does that light you up?

385
00:15:35,895 --> 00:15:36,135
Yeah.

386
00:15:36,194 --> 00:15:37,275
Does that make you happy?

387
00:15:37,275 --> 00:15:40,395
Does that give you like the
inside jittery that make you

388
00:15:40,395 --> 00:15:42,015
wanna go and get on your horse?

389
00:15:42,015 --> 00:15:42,855
Yeah, I don't,

390
00:15:43,245 --> 00:15:44,625
to me it doesn't really matter.

391
00:15:45,255 --> 00:15:50,475
I think it offers what I, I think what's
so exciting is not only does SMART goals.

392
00:15:51,015 --> 00:15:55,155
Offer you the structure to then
feel like you have a plan, feel

393
00:15:55,155 --> 00:15:57,915
like you have like a roadmap, right?

394
00:15:57,915 --> 00:15:58,005
Yes.

395
00:15:58,365 --> 00:15:58,665
Because I think.

396
00:15:59,655 --> 00:16:03,735
The horse world and all the
knowledge that we have to learn and

397
00:16:03,735 --> 00:16:05,354
all the ways that we can improve.

398
00:16:05,354 --> 00:16:08,209
Because you can be great in the saddle,
but you can have a lot to work on.

399
00:16:08,229 --> 00:16:08,650
On the ground.

400
00:16:08,650 --> 00:16:08,775
On the ground.

401
00:16:09,074 --> 00:16:09,435
Yeah, sure.

402
00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:09,584
Right.

403
00:16:09,824 --> 00:16:14,324
Your horse can be incredible in the arena,
but you know, have a lot of challenges

404
00:16:14,324 --> 00:16:15,645
outside the arena or vice versa.

405
00:16:15,795 --> 00:16:15,944
Yep.

406
00:16:16,005 --> 00:16:18,915
You can have a horse that is fabulous
at home, but will not get on the

407
00:16:18,915 --> 00:16:20,805
trailer like as horse people.

408
00:16:20,805 --> 00:16:23,535
I feel we're constantly challenged
with something that we're not.

409
00:16:24,075 --> 00:16:26,565
Good at, or that we're struggling
with, with our horses or

410
00:16:26,565 --> 00:16:27,735
that we could work better at.

411
00:16:28,245 --> 00:16:32,445
That is a great, great couple
of sentences, paragraph.

412
00:16:32,445 --> 00:16:33,075
That's great.

413
00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:36,045
We're constantly challenges challenged
by things that we're not good at.

414
00:16:36,225 --> 00:16:36,465
Right.

415
00:16:36,615 --> 00:16:38,325
And that's beautiful, like in a way.

416
00:16:38,325 --> 00:16:38,385
Yeah.

417
00:16:38,475 --> 00:16:40,905
'cause there's always
opportunity again for self

418
00:16:40,905 --> 00:16:41,565
improvement.

419
00:16:41,835 --> 00:16:44,355
And go to your s who's your support?

420
00:16:44,415 --> 00:16:45,675
You don't have to do it all.

421
00:16:46,365 --> 00:16:48,555
Mm. You know, like, I'm terrible.

422
00:16:48,555 --> 00:16:51,165
I'm not terrible at trail
loading, just not my gym.

423
00:16:51,285 --> 00:16:51,525
Mm.

424
00:16:51,585 --> 00:16:52,425
So I go to meta.

425
00:16:52,575 --> 00:16:52,935
Right.

426
00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:55,814
I don't, do I need to be good at it?

427
00:16:56,475 --> 00:16:56,865
Yeah.

428
00:16:57,615 --> 00:16:58,875
Do I need to be good at everything?

429
00:16:59,295 --> 00:17:00,645
Hmm.

430
00:17:01,064 --> 00:17:01,995
Not necessarily.

431
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:06,224
So what, what, what we're talking about
brings me to the next piece of goal

432
00:17:06,224 --> 00:17:11,655
setting, which is the balance between
what I call hard and soft goals.

433
00:17:12,224 --> 00:17:13,185
Ooh.

434
00:17:13,425 --> 00:17:16,665
So in sports psychology, we
call them outcome and process.

435
00:17:17,535 --> 00:17:17,565
Okay.

436
00:17:18,195 --> 00:17:19,065
Okay.

437
00:17:19,245 --> 00:17:20,805
But I don't like outcome and process.

438
00:17:20,805 --> 00:17:22,335
'cause those are confusing words.

439
00:17:22,335 --> 00:17:22,425
Mm-hmm.

440
00:17:22,665 --> 00:17:23,805
At least they are to me.

441
00:17:24,105 --> 00:17:26,925
But hard and soft feel
pretty easy to understand.

442
00:17:27,345 --> 00:17:28,665
So hard goal.

443
00:17:29,625 --> 00:17:34,335
I want to qualify for regional
championships at third level in 2025.

444
00:17:34,365 --> 00:17:34,815
Mm-hmm.

445
00:17:34,821 --> 00:17:37,455
That's outcome based.

446
00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:38,055
Based.

447
00:17:38,055 --> 00:17:38,205
Yeah.

448
00:17:38,445 --> 00:17:38,895
Okay.

449
00:17:39,375 --> 00:17:41,385
Soft goal for that would be.

450
00:17:42,690 --> 00:17:48,990
I need to become softer in my hands and
more responsive to my horse's mouth.

451
00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:52,200
Beautiful.

452
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:52,950
Soft.

453
00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:53,280
Yeah,

454
00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:58,230
so the hard goal is what you
want to do, the soft goal.

455
00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:00,870
Who do you need to be

456
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:01,680
to do it?

457
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,660
Dear horse world, it's Dewey Freeman.

458
00:18:04,530 --> 00:18:08,190
What's beautiful is the work that you
do and your experience and knowledge

459
00:18:08,190 --> 00:18:12,900
of horses allows you to observe how
a human is in relationship with their

460
00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:16,650
horse, and that is very informing of
how they are in relationship with.

461
00:18:17,115 --> 00:18:18,075
Other beings with

462
00:18:18,075 --> 00:18:20,235
every other being in the entire world.

463
00:18:20,325 --> 00:18:20,625
Right?

464
00:18:20,985 --> 00:18:23,835
So why would I obje, why
would I essentially like

465
00:18:23,835 --> 00:18:26,985
objectify people or animals.

466
00:18:27,225 --> 00:18:29,775
Where does that, where does
that like, need come from?

467
00:18:29,925 --> 00:18:34,215
So, and let me talk about, there's
different levels of, of objectification.

468
00:18:34,215 --> 00:18:35,295
Mm-hmm.

469
00:18:35,535 --> 00:18:37,635
And let me back up just a, a little bit.

470
00:18:37,665 --> 00:18:38,505
I love when you back up.

471
00:18:38,565 --> 00:18:38,835
Okay.

472
00:18:40,785 --> 00:18:42,825
And my horse and I have been
working on backing up really well.

473
00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:44,360
Um.

474
00:18:45,675 --> 00:18:50,895
Is, is that the objectification
comes when we don't trust.

475
00:18:52,125 --> 00:18:52,215
Ah,

476
00:18:53,504 --> 00:18:57,014
and when we objectify,
that puts us in control.

477
00:19:00,135 --> 00:19:03,375
And we control when we don't trust.

478
00:19:04,544 --> 00:19:06,524
The less we trust, the more we control,

479
00:19:06,584 --> 00:19:06,885
right?

480
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,465
The more we trust, the less we control.

481
00:19:09,615 --> 00:19:10,034
Right?

482
00:19:11,205 --> 00:19:13,455
So I do have a breakdown.

483
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,200
Between control and power.

484
00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:17,910
A lot of people talk about power.

485
00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:20,880
Mm. And then I'm gonna weave this
back into what your question was.

486
00:19:20,970 --> 00:19:21,240
Cool

487
00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:32,460
Is power to me is the ability
to influence and be influenced.

488
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,110
So that's where we get away from the Yeah.

489
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:38,040
Objectification.

490
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:38,340
Yeah.

491
00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:43,320
To be, to influence and be influenced
in contact in relationships.

492
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:43,439
Cool.

493
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:51,330
So what we want to do, and what you
and I have been working on along with

494
00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:57,840
Josh, is for you to be influenced
by your horse instead of you just

495
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,399
wanting to influence your horse.

496
00:19:59,459 --> 00:19:59,850
Yes.

497
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,429
And just to be clear, I mean, you have
wanted to come in and be influenced.

498
00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:06,090
Mm-hmm.

499
00:20:06,585 --> 00:20:07,305
Just a little bit.

500
00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:07,860
Yeah.

501
00:20:08,205 --> 00:20:08,415
Yeah.

502
00:20:08,505 --> 00:20:14,775
And what we've been working on
is raising that threshold of you

503
00:20:14,775 --> 00:20:16,485
allowing yourself to be influenced.

504
00:20:16,485 --> 00:20:17,895
Actually to the point.

505
00:20:18,225 --> 00:20:21,885
And part of what we've been talking
about is the idea of giving your

506
00:20:21,885 --> 00:20:24,765
horse something to attach to
and something to grab hold of.

507
00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:26,025
Yes, yes.

508
00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:30,105
Which, what was so beautiful we
got to see yesterday was you did

509
00:20:30,105 --> 00:20:33,255
that with lady and Lady just went

510
00:20:34,275 --> 00:20:34,545
Yeah.

511
00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:35,475
And was.

512
00:20:37,305 --> 00:20:38,504
In seventh heaven with you.

513
00:20:38,805 --> 00:20:39,165
Yeah.

514
00:20:39,975 --> 00:20:45,435
So it, it's literally that place where
the attachment process is both ways.

515
00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:47,355
It, it's a reciprocal process.

516
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:47,710
Mm-hmm.

517
00:20:47,794 --> 00:20:51,345
It's not a, it's not
like, oh, here's my horse.

518
00:20:51,345 --> 00:20:52,605
I'm gonna attach to my horse.

519
00:20:52,605 --> 00:20:54,195
Mm-hmm.

520
00:20:54,196 --> 00:20:58,784
Um, and even that happens
with, in, in infancy.

521
00:20:59,264 --> 00:21:02,445
It's, the attachment
process goes both ways.

522
00:21:02,445 --> 00:21:03,014
It's not word.

523
00:21:03,195 --> 00:21:04,845
We're not just attaching to her.

524
00:21:05,715 --> 00:21:10,425
Our mothers and fathers or
caregivers were doing that.

525
00:21:10,425 --> 00:21:12,014
And they're attaching to us too.

526
00:21:12,075 --> 00:21:12,315
Yeah.

527
00:21:12,764 --> 00:21:18,795
And so that's where the, uh, where they,
we break down the objectification and

528
00:21:18,795 --> 00:21:24,645
move into a truly I thou relational
process between us and another, and I'm

529
00:21:24,645 --> 00:21:26,325
gonna throw in another little piece here.

530
00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:26,715
Cool.

531
00:21:27,825 --> 00:21:28,635
Um.

532
00:21:29,475 --> 00:21:31,995
And we haven't talked
about this to this point.

533
00:21:32,265 --> 00:21:35,055
We want to be seen, heard,

534
00:21:35,145 --> 00:21:35,265
mm-hmm.

535
00:21:36,075 --> 00:21:39,165
Gotten cherished and protected.

536
00:21:39,945 --> 00:21:40,515
Oh wow.

537
00:21:41,445 --> 00:21:42,735
Those are the five things.

538
00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:45,435
Those are five elements of
every relationship that we want.

539
00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:47,625
Can you say that again?

540
00:21:47,625 --> 00:21:47,985
Yes.

541
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:49,485
I wanna close my eyes when you say this.

542
00:21:49,575 --> 00:21:49,875
Okay.

543
00:21:50,685 --> 00:21:53,805
And, and actually let yourself
feel these in your body.

544
00:21:53,835 --> 00:21:54,165
Okay.

545
00:21:54,165 --> 00:21:56,805
When I'm saying these wanna be seen.

546
00:22:00,195 --> 00:22:00,764
Heard,

547
00:22:03,074 --> 00:22:03,915
gotten

548
00:22:06,105 --> 00:22:09,044
cherished and protected,

549
00:22:14,459 --> 00:22:22,935
and those five pieces, five are
sort of the core of attachment.

550
00:22:23,685 --> 00:22:24,045
Right.

551
00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:28,635
If I'm in relationship with you, I
mean, we've become, at least from my

552
00:22:28,755 --> 00:22:30,435
perspective, pretty darn good friends.

553
00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:30,885
Yes.

554
00:22:32,025 --> 00:22:33,555
I want to see you.

555
00:22:33,705 --> 00:22:34,605
I want to hear you.

556
00:22:34,605 --> 00:22:36,555
I want to get you, I want to cherish him.

557
00:22:36,645 --> 00:22:37,755
I don't want to protect you.

558
00:22:37,755 --> 00:22:37,845
Hmm.

559
00:22:38,625 --> 00:22:40,875
I want you to do that with me too.

560
00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:41,505
Right?

561
00:22:42,405 --> 00:22:45,465
I want that to happen with my horses.

562
00:22:45,465 --> 00:22:45,525
Hmm.

563
00:22:46,785 --> 00:22:49,230
And I know that you want that
to happen with your horses.

564
00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:50,400
Yeah.

565
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:55,140
And part of what was happening with
Gee, and this is, this is I, maybe I

566
00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:58,755
hope that people can visualize this Yes.

567
00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:05,490
Is that he would load to where you were
standing, but he wouldn't go beyond that.

568
00:23:05,790 --> 00:23:06,060
Yeah.

569
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:13,140
And he would walk in and
be exactly where you were.

570
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,170
Looking to attach.

571
00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:16,650
Yeah.

572
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:17,730
Looking to go.

573
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,870
Are you here?

574
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,950
Are you here with me?

575
00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:20,700
Yes.

576
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:24,120
Are you sitting here and getting
cherishing and protecting me?

577
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:24,390
Mm-hmm.

578
00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:30,900
And as soon as you backed up a little
bit and open to him, instead of

579
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,850
thinking about lady who was behind you.

580
00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:33,180
Yeah.

581
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:35,250
He walked right in.

582
00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:35,700
Yeah.

583
00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:37,020
Dear horse world, it's

584
00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:40,770
Dr. Connie fci and you mentioned
something today, which really blew my

585
00:23:40,770 --> 00:23:46,740
mind, which is that there are organs
in the horse's body that are sort of

586
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:51,990
access points for hormones that are
connected to the fight or flight response.

587
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:52,545
Yeah.

588
00:23:52,545 --> 00:23:59,310
So fear we see in horses that are,
is behavioral could also be like,

589
00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:01,020
for lack of a better word, medical.

590
00:24:02,129 --> 00:24:03,540
Could you explain that a little bit?

591
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,409
Yeah, so it's, it's, this is delving
more into the osteopathy part of it.

592
00:24:07,409 --> 00:24:07,470
Yeah.

593
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:13,290
And um, what I can say is that the
kidneys are attached to the adrenal

594
00:24:13,290 --> 00:24:17,010
gland, which, um, so it's a, a
tiny little gland in front of the

595
00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:22,530
kidneys and, um, that is where your
adrenaline hormone originates from.

596
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:28,080
So if there is an issue, be it
circulation, um, immobility.

597
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,540
Fascial tension, things like that.

598
00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:30,630
Mm-hmm.

599
00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:35,940
If there's an issue in the horse, um,
that has to do with the kidneys or

600
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:40,950
the adrenal gland or both, um, because
the two are attached together, then

601
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:45,780
you can get, uh, then you can get a
very dramatic result in the horse.

602
00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:51,630
A very, very dramatic fear result where
suddenly they are afraid of certain

603
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,010
things that they were not afraid of
before, where, um, a completely broke.

604
00:24:56,550 --> 00:25:00,899
Um, barrel horse, for instance,
suddenly decides that it's extremely

605
00:25:01,169 --> 00:25:07,860
scared, um, of going into a trailer or
an, uh, or an arena, uh, for a race.

606
00:25:07,949 --> 00:25:08,040
Hmm.

607
00:25:08,189 --> 00:25:11,550
So we have to, we have
to think outside the box.

608
00:25:11,550 --> 00:25:16,139
And that's what this whole thing is
about is, um, those cases that are

609
00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:21,449
not cut and dry and, um, we've ruled
out, hey, there was not an injury.

610
00:25:22,485 --> 00:25:25,215
And this horse is not, um, limping around.

611
00:25:25,215 --> 00:25:27,015
It's not a, an overt lameness.

612
00:25:27,345 --> 00:25:30,675
Why is this horse suddenly so scared?

613
00:25:30,675 --> 00:25:35,595
Or suddenly, um, uh, bucking for
instance, or acting out behaviorally.

614
00:25:35,595 --> 00:25:36,225
Right, exactly.

615
00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:36,315
So

616
00:25:36,315 --> 00:25:40,695
instead of sending your horse to someone
to fix your horse behaviorally, you know,

617
00:25:40,725 --> 00:25:47,145
I think it sounds like a lot of the work
you're doing is explorative and based on.

618
00:25:48,165 --> 00:25:53,534
Based on, on, on medically sound
practices to then explore internally

619
00:25:53,534 --> 00:25:57,375
whether what's, what's happening
for that horse is something that's.

620
00:25:57,945 --> 00:26:01,605
Pain related or discomfort
or even like immobility, the

621
00:26:01,695 --> 00:26:07,365
fascia in the horse, um, is
from the head to the back end.

622
00:26:07,365 --> 00:26:11,054
Like there is fascia in the entire
body all connected together.

623
00:26:11,085 --> 00:26:11,175
Mm-hmm.

624
00:26:11,175 --> 00:26:14,385
So if you have some sort of
an adhesion, some sort of a

625
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:18,705
immobility or, um, say an ovary is.

626
00:26:19,275 --> 00:26:21,525
Displaced or even twisted.

627
00:26:21,795 --> 00:26:24,105
Then there's a tension in that area.

628
00:26:24,405 --> 00:26:32,295
And, uh, as, as time goes on, that
tension is going to continue to pull along

629
00:26:32,295 --> 00:26:34,425
the entire fascial plane of the horse.

630
00:26:34,425 --> 00:26:40,335
So you start off with a, uh, an
annoying tension say of a ovary.

631
00:26:40,335 --> 00:26:42,075
That's, that is, uh.

632
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,640
Flipped over backwards.

633
00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:43,730
Yeah.

634
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:44,960
And on the right side.

635
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:45,110
Yeah.

636
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,810
Um, and that is annoying to the horse.

637
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:52,160
It's kind of a, it's maybe a little
bit painful, but more just, uh, if you

638
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,800
can, if you can, um, think of it as, as
something internally inside yourself.

639
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:58,070
Yeah.

640
00:26:58,070 --> 00:27:01,795
If there's just a pull there in one
certain spot that's always there.

641
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:03,770
And as time goes on.

642
00:27:04,045 --> 00:27:06,595
That horse moves differently
because of that area.

643
00:27:06,655 --> 00:27:06,745
Mm-hmm.

644
00:27:06,895 --> 00:27:14,725
And the, um, the pull of the fascia in
the body continues to, um, to affect the

645
00:27:14,725 --> 00:27:18,175
horse, uh, as, uh, usually in the back.

646
00:27:18,205 --> 00:27:18,295
Mm-hmm.

647
00:27:18,385 --> 00:27:23,005
And then it goes to the head to the pole,
and you start seeing indicators of that.

648
00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:28,139
Internal restriction or tightness
all the way to the head as well.

649
00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:29,669
Dear Horse world, it's Carl Cook.

650
00:27:30,659 --> 00:27:33,810
I love this topic, especially
with someone like yourself.

651
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:38,340
'cause I think you can describe really
eloquently how the processes you go

652
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:42,659
through when you get a new horse and
determining their individual needs.

653
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:44,375
What is that process for you?

654
00:27:45,534 --> 00:27:49,500
I think this is a dangerous
topic because people believe

655
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,810
that their horse is one of one.

656
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:51,929
Yeah.

657
00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:58,110
And all of the normal processes you
can do don't apply to their horse.

658
00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:59,850
Apply to everyone else's,
but not to theirs.

659
00:27:59,850 --> 00:27:59,879
Okay.

660
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,989
And so they think that everything
about their horse has to be completely

661
00:28:03,989 --> 00:28:05,879
different and nothing else will work.

662
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:08,340
And they spin themselves
down a rabbit hole.

663
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:09,389
And guess what?

664
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:11,790
Horse never gets better
and they don't get better.

665
00:28:11,939 --> 00:28:16,739
Mm. Um, the differences between my
horses, sure there are differences,

666
00:28:16,949 --> 00:28:19,500
but if you actually see what it's
like, it's not that different.

667
00:28:20,295 --> 00:28:24,405
People wanna believe their horse is
completely a complete individual,

668
00:28:24,765 --> 00:28:28,995
again, to abdicate blame for why
they aren't doing what they want.

669
00:28:30,345 --> 00:28:31,750
That's an interesting call to action

670
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:32,270
and.

671
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,460
If I have a horse that's a little
bit colder, I'll give 'em a

672
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:36,690
little bit more energetic food.

673
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,150
If I have a horse that's hotter, I'll
give 'em a little bit less energetic food.

674
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:44,700
But they're still all, I'm not saying
my horse processes carbohydrates

675
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:45,900
different than another horse.

676
00:28:45,905 --> 00:28:46,125
Mm-hmm.

677
00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:47,129
No, no, no.

678
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:49,320
I'm not saying a feed
won't work with that horse.

679
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,620
No.

680
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,090
You know, they all still,
all the saddles are the same.

681
00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:55,110
Their boots are the same.

682
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:58,920
The, you know, the, the only
reason for the bits being different

683
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,970
is a little bit different.

684
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:03,090
In just their base biomechanics.

685
00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:03,240
Yeah.

686
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,810
Because, you know, one might be taller
or shorter, you know, longer stride,

687
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:07,890
shorter stride, that sort of thing.

688
00:29:08,550 --> 00:29:16,710
Um, but I, I, I, I think horses are
individual, but this understanding that

689
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:24,990
my horse, like if, think of the odds
if you are, if it's a 1% chance that

690
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:26,370
something doesn't work with your horse.

691
00:29:26,375 --> 00:29:26,545
Mm-hmm.

692
00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:26,825
Okay.

693
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:29,429
There's one thing that's 1% chance.

694
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,729
Mm-hmm.

695
00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:30,540
A second thing.

696
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,879
Now your horse is one in
10,000, two 1% things.

697
00:29:35,879 --> 00:29:35,969
Mm-hmm.

698
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:38,429
The likelihood of that is one in 10,000.

699
00:29:38,879 --> 00:29:39,870
Now one more.

700
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,520
One in a hundred.

701
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:43,379
That's one in a million.

702
00:29:44,219 --> 00:29:46,260
A third now a fourth.

703
00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:49,949
That's one in a hundred million.

704
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:50,280
Mm-hmm.

705
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,949
So that's four.

706
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,270
One in a hundred things.

707
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:55,709
It's one in a hundred million.

708
00:29:56,265 --> 00:30:04,035
Yeah, the likelihood, so I, I just, your
horse is an individual, but most of the

709
00:30:04,035 --> 00:30:07,185
time when people are saying, my horse
is just different, it's just different.

710
00:30:08,055 --> 00:30:14,895
They're, that's just to allow themselves
to not be a, to make it okay that they're

711
00:30:15,135 --> 00:30:19,785
getting less out of their relationship and
that, and to make it okay that them as a

712
00:30:19,785 --> 00:30:21,735
rider and as a manager aren't doing what.

713
00:30:22,425 --> 00:30:23,085
They should be doing.

714
00:30:23,085 --> 00:30:23,145
Hmm.

715
00:30:24,195 --> 00:30:30,825
Um, I know that's maybe not the most
comfortable way to look at it for people

716
00:30:31,005 --> 00:30:33,945
and they'll push back on and say, no,
no, my horse really is one of one.

717
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,899
Well, I think if you look at biology,
there are similarities amongst people

718
00:30:39,899 --> 00:30:41,520
and then there are also individual needs.

719
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,850
Right?

720
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:44,730
And so it's a balance between
the two as one person.

721
00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:45,510
One of one.

722
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:46,710
Well, we're one of many.

723
00:30:47,129 --> 00:30:47,280
Yeah.

724
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,830
But I mean like, you know, good
horse care is good horse care.

725
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:49,920
Mm-hmm.

726
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:54,120
You, you know, if you have bad horse
care and say My horse doesn't like this

727
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,930
one skin product, but you have bad horse
care, I would say, how about you have

728
00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,629
good horse care first, then we can talk.

729
00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:02,879
I just think it's dangerous.

730
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:03,600
I love that.

731
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,889
And you're someone that actually has
spoken very openly about, um, I think you

732
00:31:07,889 --> 00:31:13,679
did a walking and talking, talking about
the importance that we teach our young

733
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:18,060
riders, our up and coming generation, not
just about riding, but about horse care,

734
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:22,500
about management, about keeping horse,
about finding a horse, about, there's

735
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,840
so many elements that go into success.

736
00:31:25,545 --> 00:31:28,245
So what you're talking about
is a holistic look, right?

737
00:31:28,365 --> 00:31:28,545
Yeah.

738
00:31:28,545 --> 00:31:29,505
And have structure to it.

739
00:31:29,505 --> 00:31:33,885
How can you, how can you come up
with any solution if you're changing

740
00:31:33,885 --> 00:31:39,165
the variables at a whim and you're
not keeping track of any of the

741
00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:40,815
variables that you can keep track of?

742
00:31:41,835 --> 00:31:43,755
There are variables you can keep track of.

743
00:31:45,045 --> 00:31:45,465
Like what,

744
00:31:46,035 --> 00:31:48,555
uh, how much weight and hay
does your horse get a day?

745
00:31:49,695 --> 00:31:50,685
What time of day?

746
00:31:51,255 --> 00:31:52,335
How many times a day?

747
00:31:52,935 --> 00:31:53,895
When do they work?

748
00:31:54,765 --> 00:31:57,885
What weight are they at The
same time of day every Monday.

749
00:31:58,155 --> 00:31:58,305
Mm.

750
00:31:59,325 --> 00:32:04,455
Um, where, how many, how much
time do they spend in a paddock?

751
00:32:05,145 --> 00:32:06,705
What is the grass like in that paddock?

752
00:32:08,055 --> 00:32:10,215
How often do you clean the shavings?

753
00:32:10,995 --> 00:32:14,145
Do you know that each batch of
your hay has the same nutrient

754
00:32:14,145 --> 00:32:15,555
density as the batch before?

755
00:32:15,885 --> 00:32:17,625
What's cool is that we're
coming back to data.

756
00:32:17,745 --> 00:32:19,485
You're coming back to measurable data.

757
00:32:19,995 --> 00:32:22,575
Control the variables you can,
because there's plenty, you can't.

758
00:32:23,175 --> 00:32:25,365
So at least control the ones you can.

759
00:32:26,025 --> 00:32:26,685
Really cool

760
00:32:26,745 --> 00:32:27,345
at least.

761
00:32:28,035 --> 00:32:30,075
So walk me through the process.

762
00:32:30,195 --> 00:32:33,195
What's the kind of timeline that you
look at when you get a new horse?

763
00:32:33,225 --> 00:32:39,135
What's the timeline of observation, let's
say that you have in your mind or in your

764
00:32:39,195 --> 00:32:45,225
program when you're trying to determine
the very best, let's say, ingredients

765
00:32:45,225 --> 00:32:48,405
for that horse within the structure
and within the program that you run?

766
00:32:48,765 --> 00:32:50,490
Well first have to be fed stably.

767
00:32:51,585 --> 00:32:55,905
So whatever they were fed before, if
it's your decision to feed them the

768
00:32:55,905 --> 00:32:59,295
exact same thing, the exact same way,
that's, that would keep it stable.

769
00:32:59,565 --> 00:32:59,625
Okay.

770
00:32:59,985 --> 00:33:04,665
Um, if you choose to make a change,
it takes a certain period of

771
00:33:04,665 --> 00:33:07,665
time for that change to manifest.

772
00:33:08,175 --> 00:33:12,075
You know, for example, if you decide to
feed them twice the amount of calories,

773
00:33:12,345 --> 00:33:13,545
they're not gonna get fat tomorrow.

774
00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:14,235
Hmm.

775
00:33:14,985 --> 00:33:19,335
They'll get fat in a period of time and
you obviously have to go for a search

776
00:33:19,545 --> 00:33:20,685
to figure out the right equipment.

777
00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:25,034
Uh, you know, tendency would be, oh,
it, this horse went in this bit before,

778
00:33:25,034 --> 00:33:27,074
so I'm only ever gonna use that bit.

779
00:33:27,465 --> 00:33:29,834
Well, you're not the
rider who rode it before.

780
00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:30,705
Mm-hmm.

781
00:33:30,705 --> 00:33:39,945
You might be taller, shorter, stronger,
weaker, older, younger, and we almost

782
00:33:39,945 --> 00:33:44,324
never, I think there's only one
horse that I go in the same bridal.

783
00:33:44,534 --> 00:33:44,745
Yeah.

784
00:33:45,885 --> 00:33:46,274
Ever.

785
00:33:47,355 --> 00:33:51,209
So you have to get a. Uh, stable
feed and stable flat work.

786
00:33:52,709 --> 00:33:52,739
Okay?

787
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:56,070
Because then you can say, okay,
well these things are stable.

788
00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:58,139
Is the horse still heavy?

789
00:33:58,169 --> 00:33:59,159
Is the horse still light?

790
00:33:59,399 --> 00:34:00,479
Is the horse dull?

791
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:01,800
Is the horse too hot?

792
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:03,270
Is the horse skittish?

793
00:34:03,449 --> 00:34:04,800
How is the body changed?

794
00:34:04,949 --> 00:34:07,620
Does the saddle that we fit in
the beginning still fit because

795
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:11,670
they lost weight or gained
muscle or just gained fat, maybe?

796
00:34:11,819 --> 00:34:11,940
Mm-hmm.

797
00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:12,239
Um.

798
00:34:13,784 --> 00:34:15,735
You know, and then you just
slowly tweak from there.

799
00:34:15,735 --> 00:34:20,384
You tweak, you know, one variable at a
time and you just step along the process.

800
00:34:20,955 --> 00:34:24,824
You know, obviously if the program
the horse was in before compared to

801
00:34:24,824 --> 00:34:30,614
yours is very different, you'll see
a lot more change and it'll probably

802
00:34:30,614 --> 00:34:32,324
happen faster, but also take longer.

803
00:34:32,534 --> 00:34:38,475
So there's no cookie cutter
six weeks, but it's also not.

804
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:41,160
It takes forever.

805
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:42,810
Like it just, it's part of the work.

806
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:45,090
You just step through it and
you go from one day to the next.

807
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,880
I don't think an
expectation should be set.

808
00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:49,650
I love that.

809
00:34:50,430 --> 00:34:52,680
What's one piece of advice?

810
00:34:53,294 --> 00:34:56,534
For everyone who's listening, who has
a, who have a new horse, and let's

811
00:34:56,534 --> 00:34:59,774
say the horse went really well or
didn't go so well with the previous

812
00:34:59,774 --> 00:35:04,455
rider, what do you think is one thing
that everybody, regardless of their

813
00:35:04,455 --> 00:35:08,355
socioeconomic background, their geo,
geographical location, their area,

814
00:35:08,355 --> 00:35:13,814
their sport, any of that, what's one
thing that every rider is capable

815
00:35:13,814 --> 00:35:15,794
of doing to accommodate a new horse?

816
00:35:16,785 --> 00:35:17,384
Treat it well.

817
00:35:18,825 --> 00:35:19,995
Horse doesn't know.

818
00:35:20,325 --> 00:35:23,205
If you are rich or you are
poor, the horse doesn't know.

819
00:35:23,205 --> 00:35:27,345
If you felt you spent a lot or a
little, your horse doesn't know your

820
00:35:27,345 --> 00:35:31,004
expectations or the expectations before.

821
00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:33,705
Um, just treat it well.

822
00:35:34,515 --> 00:35:41,325
And from that, you end up getting what you
want instead of just expecting and only

823
00:35:41,325 --> 00:35:42,685
treating it well if they give it to you.

824
00:35:43,779 --> 00:35:43,899
Hmm.

825
00:35:44,654 --> 00:35:48,315
You know, you don't do that with kids.

826
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:54,600
Or dogs, you know, where you're
basically treating 'em poorly, hoping

827
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,290
that they guess the right solution,
and then you treat them well.

828
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:02,040
How likely do you think it is a horse
is gonna guess the right solution?

829
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,180
Because there's like many steps to
actually get to the right solution.

830
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:06,420
Mm-hmm.

831
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:09,690
But you haven't given them any of
those steps, and you're expecting them

832
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:12,870
to figure out all of those steps to
get to the right solution, and then

833
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,370
you treat it well just treat it well.

834
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,145
So I never, ever had a. A horse
that I felt was my type of

835
00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:21,765
horse, the one that I wanted.

836
00:36:22,275 --> 00:36:27,765
I just thought my job was to get the
best out of the horse that I had.

837
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:28,335
Yeah.

838
00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:32,745
Um, and I've always really enjoyed that.

839
00:36:32,805 --> 00:36:37,965
To me, it's not so much been about, about
winning, but how can I get this horse?

840
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:40,650
To perform to its best.

841
00:36:41,009 --> 00:36:43,470
And I rather felt that
was, that was my job.

842
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,240
Um, so I would often end up with a
horse that no, no, no, we're not,

843
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,529
you know, don't give up on him.

844
00:36:49,529 --> 00:36:50,340
He's got something.

845
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:52,110
And I think we can help with that.

846
00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:56,190
Um, I know he's, you know, he's,
he's got something in there.

847
00:36:56,190 --> 00:37:00,150
I can really, you know, feel that,
um, given a bit more time and,

848
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:05,850
you know, you, I was very able
to adapt to different horses.

849
00:37:06,855 --> 00:37:10,455
'cause of being brought up that way.

850
00:37:10,575 --> 00:37:10,725
Yeah.

851
00:37:10,815 --> 00:37:11,865
Every horse is different.

852
00:37:11,865 --> 00:37:15,825
And my mother always said, you
never never ride tools the same.

853
00:37:15,825 --> 00:37:20,295
They're all different just to each one and
your job to react and work out what makes

854
00:37:20,295 --> 00:37:25,335
them go and someone to smack and somewhat
a pat and somewhat this and somewhat that.

855
00:37:25,335 --> 00:37:27,345
And your job is to work it out.

856
00:37:28,125 --> 00:37:29,445
And I, I always loved that.

857
00:37:29,985 --> 00:37:32,175
Um, I grew up.

858
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,100
Also riding two ponies had a
crazy 13 two chestnut lunatic

859
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:40,200
that I couldn't make do anything.

860
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:44,760
Um, I rode him everywhere in
a blinking strong Kimble wick.

861
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,300
Yeah.

862
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,510
And I had a 14, two fat, lazy kamara.

863
00:37:48,695 --> 00:37:48,915
Oh.

864
00:37:48,915 --> 00:37:49,755
I love kamara.

865
00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:52,915
Who wouldn't move unless
he was being told to.

866
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:53,395
Yeah.

867
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,710
Um, so I always, um,
wrote different things.

868
00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:59,130
Yeah.

869
00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:00,150
Um, and.

870
00:38:01,245 --> 00:38:08,205
When I came into eventing, I quite
quickly got a few, 'cause I, um, those

871
00:38:08,295 --> 00:38:13,605
early days when I kind of kept on riding
a bit because um, he had all the support

872
00:38:13,965 --> 00:38:15,315
and a lot of friends were giving up.

873
00:38:15,345 --> 00:38:18,915
I got a few friends, horses going
to send the horse to William.

874
00:38:18,915 --> 00:38:22,185
He can get it sold, send the horse to
William, he can do a few events, then

875
00:38:22,185 --> 00:38:25,935
he'll sell it and we'll see if William
can make that worth a bit more money.

876
00:38:25,935 --> 00:38:29,120
And so I collected a few
horses, so I kind of.

877
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:35,490
Later in my teens, I ended up riding
four or five horses, all sorts.

878
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:41,220
Whether it was a 15 two or a 17 two
or a thoroughbred or a cart horse.

879
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:42,690
I gave it a go.

880
00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:47,190
And I think through my career,
you know, when, you know Sinead

881
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:48,630
was with me at a very busy time.

882
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:50,340
I did have all sorts.

883
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:50,850
I had,

884
00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:51,840
yeah, she really said that.

885
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:54,750
Um, I had warm blood.

886
00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:56,564
A German warmblood.

887
00:38:56,774 --> 00:39:01,424
I had Argentinian racehorse, I
had an American thoroughbred also.

888
00:39:02,024 --> 00:39:04,245
I had an Irish par bread.

889
00:39:04,904 --> 00:39:10,004
Um, and I didn't have that
stamp that I required.

890
00:39:10,004 --> 00:39:10,754
I thought, you know what?

891
00:39:11,294 --> 00:39:12,495
He's got this and he's got that.

892
00:39:13,484 --> 00:39:14,504
Gonna give him a chance.

893
00:39:14,745 --> 00:39:15,435
He's worth it.

894
00:39:15,884 --> 00:39:18,555
And yeah, he's good at
dressage, so we can do that.

895
00:39:18,645 --> 00:39:20,084
And no, he's not so good dressage.

896
00:39:20,234 --> 00:39:20,955
He jumps well.

897
00:39:20,955 --> 00:39:21,765
So we can do this.

898
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,610
And this is where we go with him.

899
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:24,450
'cause that will suit him.

900
00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:25,110
That's quite hilly.

901
00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:26,160
That course is quite a flat.

902
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,780
So I was very good at, um,
working with my horses and just

903
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,840
getting them to the right places.

904
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,570
And I think nowadays the
pressure is different.

905
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:37,290
Of course it is.

906
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:40,230
You know, the world is very competitive
and everyone's gotta be riding

907
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:42,480
that lovely, big, flashy horse.

908
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:46,710
Mm. Um, but I think so many
people then miss opportunities.

909
00:39:47,655 --> 00:39:52,095
You know, I've, I've won funny
events on some very funny horses,

910
00:39:52,575 --> 00:39:55,035
but other people probably wouldn't
have had them on their yard.

911
00:39:55,635 --> 00:40:02,265
Um, and I think that, um, I
therefore always gave horses

912
00:40:02,265 --> 00:40:03,345
the benefit of the doubt.

913
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:09,330
He just, he just might, oh, I just
think he could, um, sometimes yeah,

914
00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:10,950
he will just give him his time.

915
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:15,780
So I had good owners who supported
me with their horses and they

916
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:18,480
could see that I would believe
in their horse in a certain way.

917
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,690
And then if the horse had a
chance, maybe I'd be the person

918
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:23,940
give the best out of that horse.

919
00:40:23,945 --> 00:40:24,215
Yeah.

920
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:24,750
Yeah.

921
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:32,040
One stage in my career, um, I
had, I had six, five star horses.

922
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:32,250
Wow.

923
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:37,500
Um, and I did, you know, two in Kentucky,
two at badminton, two at the moon.

924
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,200
And I sort of thought that was normal.

925
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:42,180
That was what you needed.

926
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:47,190
And nowadays that would've hardly
been possible, I think, to have,

927
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:49,770
to have had those horses in that
position and to be able to do that.

928
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:50,340
Mm,

929
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:53,520
there's so many pressures that,
you know, he's not good enough

930
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,080
and oh, he's not gonna say sound
long enough, but, you know, I just

931
00:40:58,740 --> 00:40:59,855
would always say, well, why not?

932
00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,310
Give him a chance and give him a go.

933
00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:08,730
And, um, therefore I was, something
will go right, plenty will go wrong,

934
00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:13,290
but something would go right And it
was, um, it's a nice, very lucky to

935
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:17,549
have had that chance and that attitude,
um, you leave it open to chance,

936
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:20,460
like a moment of opportunity.

937
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:20,730
Right.

938
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:25,379
I think, um, I had, I had the
opportunity of, I could easily have

939
00:41:25,379 --> 00:41:27,450
said no and no, he is not quite mine.

940
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,460
No, he is not quite this, but.

941
00:41:30,855 --> 00:41:34,065
With my chance was just giving
a horse a chance because I

942
00:41:34,065 --> 00:41:37,005
thought, um, it was my job.

943
00:41:37,215 --> 00:41:41,265
I quite was challenged by, you
know, I can get the best out of you.

944
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:44,805
You, you might not do that, but you're
gonna do this and I can help you do that.

945
00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:44,865
Mm.

946
00:41:45,405 --> 00:41:45,825
And

947
00:41:46,455 --> 00:41:48,015
I enjoyed, I really enjoyed that.

948
00:41:48,465 --> 00:41:50,805
Reminds me of the saying as
you're speaking, I was thinking

949
00:41:50,805 --> 00:41:52,215
of this saying, what's it called?

950
00:41:52,245 --> 00:41:56,505
Um, and it's about people, but I'm
thinking, I wonder what if you think

951
00:41:56,505 --> 00:41:58,395
that it would apply to horses, which is.

952
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:02,790
It's often the people that we
think the least of that do the

953
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:03,990
thing that we least expect.

954
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,100
It would've applied to quite
a few of my horses, I suppose.

955
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,700
I think.

956
00:42:12,090 --> 00:42:15,330
But I also think it's not what
you think of an opinion is

957
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:16,710
one thing, but also a belief.

958
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:20,760
Mm, that that positive belief,
I think goes a long way.

959
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:23,580
And you really believe
there's something in there.

960
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:26,040
You often bring it out.

961
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,490
And I think probably I was a bit
naive, but I always would give

962
00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:31,740
a horse, I would always give a
horse a benefit of the doubt.

963
00:42:32,065 --> 00:42:33,445
Do you think they feel that and

964
00:42:33,445 --> 00:42:33,645
they do?

965
00:42:34,155 --> 00:42:34,445
Yeah.