E5: GCU #1, Future of Volleyball Officials, AAU vs. USAV, Storytelling in Volleyball

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Do you want to hear?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>The funniest thing that somebody said that I looked like today.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yes, I got just got a.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Sarasol from like literally two minutes ago.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>That's like a typical one.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I've gotten like a bunch of them.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>The funniest one was who's the Von Schwitz kid in in in Wreck-It?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Ralph Vanellope, vanellope Von Schwitz, vanellope Von Schwitz is Sarasol from Ah, damn it.

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<v Chad Gordon>I haven't seen Wreck-It Ralph, but that makes sense.

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<v Chad Gordon>You were so close, Okay hear me out, you ready?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yes, did you see the Super Bowl commercial?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Did you see the Super Bowl?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Did you watch it?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yes, did you watch the commercials?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Most of them yeah, Okay, did you see the Sarah V Michael?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Sarah for Sarah V.

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<v Chad Gordon>I did.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Hilarious.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Okay, hear me out Ready.

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<v Chad Gordon>You're not Michael Sarah.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Marriott Marquis.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Add Marcus Marriota for the Marriott Marquis.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yes.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Incredible yeah.

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<v Chad Gordon>Missed opportunity.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Marriott Mitch and I were calling all of DC Mitch and I were calling it the Marriott Marquis, the Marriott Marcus the entire time and then it spiraled into Marcus Marriota for Marriott Marquis and a commercial where he changes his Marriott, makes him change his name and just switch it.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, 4m's.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I mean for sure, yeah, 3m that's a good company, but 4M I think it's an incredible idea.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't see how it's possible to go.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I think it's a win.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We should be hired as a branding agency.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm full of ideas like this we haven't recorded in a little bit.

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<v Chad Gordon>Two weeks.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Two weeks, yeah, two weeks, you miss us.

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<v Chad Gordon>No, not really you miss me, he missed us.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, we missed you a lot.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We talked about you on our trip.

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<v Chad Gordon>I live by myself, so I don't talk to anybody about you guys.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>He thinks about us all the time though.

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<v Matt Houlihan>It's true, he journals about me.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I know it before he goes to bed.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Chad Gordon for better health.

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<v Matt Houlihan>He writes a sticky note, just thinking about Matt and Eriel Love.

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<v Chad Gordon>This is not how my Tuesdays go.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Just to be clear Don't lie.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Don't lie to the people like that Should we talk about some volleyball.

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<v Chad Gordon>No.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>We can.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Let's do it.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Let's hop into it.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We have spent two weeks since we recorded.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We have so much to discuss.

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<v Matt Houlihan>First and foremost, we have a new number one.

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<v Chad Gordon>The Lopes.

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<v Matt Houlihan>The Lopes Grand Canyon is the currently number one ranked team in the AVCA Long beaches of the two.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Is that right?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Does everybody have every ranking have?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Grand Canyon is number one.

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<v Matt Houlihan>No easy buckets in AVCA.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I don't know about the media poll.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Coaches.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I don't look at dozens, I don't know the coaches.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Coaches is AVCA right.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, coaches is AVCA.

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<v Chad Gordon>There's a media poll too.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yes, I don't know the media poll which is like three people.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Why am I not part of the media poll?

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<v Chad Gordon>You're too famous.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Is this a call for me being on the media poll?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I'll mess it up.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>It'll be so biased You're going to put in people like ironically, that's the problem.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, it'll be an ironic poll.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We could get a changeorg petition started to get you on the media poll.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Do I deserve to be on the media poll?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, man, absolutely.

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<v Chad Gordon>Did he say no, he didn't say no, check the footage.

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<v Chad Gordon>He may have shook his head vigorously.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Why would you want to be on the media poll?

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know if I want to.

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<v Chad Gordon>I just think that.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I deserve a call.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>You just want to be called, see if you can turn it down.

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<v Chad Gordon>Got it OK.

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<v Chad Gordon>That's more in line with what I expected.

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<v Chad Gordon>That's more in line with my brand.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I just want to get a call saying hey, would you?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>like to be a part of the media poll?

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<v Chad Gordon>No, f*** your face, whoa impressive You're going to have to put the explicit mark on this podcast.

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<v Matt Houlihan>The beep, this one yeah.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Making my post-production editing so much more difficult over here.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, sorry Bob, we have no Bob again, so we're not positive.

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<v Chad Gordon>This is recording, or?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>not.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>We tried to bring in another Bob.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Bob number one is out of office in Hawaii for a week and vacation.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Bob number two said he was going to be here, but it didn't show up on a further review of his his find my friend's location.

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<v Matt Houlihan>He's currently running a private lesson in Campbell.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So I don't think he's going to make it.

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<v Matt Houlihan>He forgot about us?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>for sure he's going to show up in like three hours.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Okay, so Grand Canyon.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yep, what do you got?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Stanford is going to play Grand Canyon this weekend, so Matt has to tap out of this one.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>If anything on Grand Canyon for us, Matt.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I've been watching a lot of Grand Canyon film.

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<v Matt Houlihan>This week we uh for Stanford, I think I've watched USC play like 19 games because they always play the team that we're about to play the week before.

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<v Matt Houlihan>So I've seen USC play every team.

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<v Matt Houlihan>So I've watched a lot of USC, usc Grand Canyon footage.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Um, I have nothing to say about Grand Canyon this week.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I mean, I'm in dialed in mode.

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<v Matt Houlihan>The one thing I will say watching film is I have a compliment to give to Matt August, the Grand Canyon assistant coach.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Number one.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>He watches our podcast.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>He does.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Friend of the pod, he watches the podcast, so shout out to Matt for that.

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<v Matt Houlihan>But number two, I'm watching footage and I'm going through some some hitter, just hitter clips on volumetrics and I'm watching their middle swing and their middle goes up and makes this play where he like wipes a ball off the block kid from 352.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, um, cameron Thorne goes up and wipes a ball off the block and great play.

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<v Matt Houlihan>But bad August just goes sprinting down the sidelines.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I've never seen a coach more stoked on a play in my life.

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<v Matt Houlihan>He goes berserk.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Um, I'm going to, I'm going to post the clip of it just to.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I'm just going to rile up a little.

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<v Matt Houlihan>A little Stanford Grand Canyon coach rivalry, but he had the greatest coach reaction on the sidelines.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Daniel size photo of him going crazy.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Daniel.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Daniel had when when Daniel's fired up, he had some of the most energetic sideline coach.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, like very yeah.

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<v Matt Houlihan>No, but Matt August.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I think he he might have jumped 20 inches off the ground.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Oh, wow, I can't wait to see this.

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<v Chad Gordon>He was shown his vert.

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<v Chad Gordon>This is from Thorne wiping a ball.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, it was like a.

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<v Matt Houlihan>It was like a rat long rally and then like a ball play at the net and from the middle of the court he jousted the net.

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<v Matt Houlihan>One hand throws it all the way out of bounds.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Score like four to one.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm actually I don't remember.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I don't remember what the score was but.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I leveraged play yeah, but it was a.

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<v Matt Houlihan>It was an intense play and he was juice.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I can't wait to see what the score was and what the it was probably like two, two in the first, I don't know SC, or is this BYU or this?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Was that against SC?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, I'll find the clip.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I'll post it on.

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<v Chad Gordon>I'll post it on my Instagram, can we, while we're giving a positive to GCU, can we bring up one, one problem?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Go ahead.

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<v Chad Gordon>It's not.

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<v Chad Gordon>It's not that bad.

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<v Chad Gordon>I was trying to watch the second match in your live stream.

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<v Chad Gordon>Couldn't just couldn't get it going.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>That's it, it wasn't working.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't you know tech is hard, it was fine.

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<v Chad Gordon>The first.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Matt didn't press play on our podcast one time.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Matt August could have not played.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I got the, I got the audio.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I got the audio.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Did you watch the?

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<v Matt Houlihan>fall in metrics of of match number two.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I thought you were talking about the audio of the grand Canyon game.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like you listened to the game.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>That's weird.

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<v Matt Houlihan>No, I don't even know if all metrics has audio.

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<v Matt Houlihan>It's all just video and depends on the video file.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, some of them do.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, try to watch, try to support, try to, you know, get a little grand Canyon on one screen and then UCLA BYU on the other.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>You know that was a five center, why bother having?

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<v Chad Gordon>two monitors.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>What was the second night on that one?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Five center.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, both five and they split.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, champlain goes from libero to outside and then he hits I mean, he hit like 800.

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<v Chad Gordon>No way to be fair, he chanked a ton of balls that he needed to have night one.

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<v Chad Gordon>Like sure they were like easy spin balls and like he just has them like lined up and they just hit them.

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<v Chad Gordon>Weird, like even Spraw was like you know senior guy who like never makes that kind of error.

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<v Chad Gordon>Like we just had like a bunch of those.

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<v Chad Gordon>It was super weird.

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<v Chad Gordon>And then night two he comes out they don't play that well in the first or the second and then like he's unstoppable, like he could do nothing wrong.

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<v Chad Gordon>It was unbelievable.

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<v Chad Gordon>So he won that second match for him for sure.

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<v Chad Gordon>Um watch it if you haven't.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I have not seen it yet.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>We were at Pepperdack.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>That's great, um, but it was at BYU, right?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, I mean that BYU is a wash to me.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, they started bringing in refs from out of town as well and stuff like that.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So Wait for real, you're kidding.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, so the the love to hear that yeah, the BYU, I mean.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I mean, it's been notorious Like we know why.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So they, why did they, why did they commit to doing that though?

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know if this was a BYU thing or if this was a conference thing, or I don't.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know, I don't know why.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know how that decision was made, but the commentators made it a point a couple of times.

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<v Chad Gordon>I was just like, hey, like this BYU thing.

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<v Chad Gordon>It might be, but it was like hey, like these folks from out of town and and all this kind of stuff, and they flipped between night one and night two.

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<v Chad Gordon>I thought the refing crew for all the matches that I watched and I watched the Grand Canyon, byu stuff, and then I watched UCLA and I thought everything was fine, great, no.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Still, it's the crowd, and it's the atmosphere, and it's the everything.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, there's, there's there's stuff and you like I mean, you see, like coaches like oh man, like kind of like those 50, 50 ones that like end up being like 80, 20 when you're at BYU, they just like they won 50% of them instead.

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<v Chad Gordon>And I was like, oh man, like I could see where, if you had that call in that moment, that turns the tide in the set and that didn't really happen in some pivotal moments and it's like, okay, well, it's probably what it should be, but no, they were.

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<v Chad Gordon>They were both two great weekends of volleyball at BYU Cool, so good matches.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I'll never forget that June Jasper ball.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Oh yeah.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>That was wild.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I've never seen anything like that.

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<v Matt Houlihan>And there was no, no challenge, no challenges left because we had to use and they were putting the replay up because we had to use.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We had to use a challenge on a massively horrendous call in ball that they called out, and you don't get your challenge back when you.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>that was back when you didn't keep it, and that was it.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, and then it was just done.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Oh, they kept showing the replay on the on the broadcast and everybody was like, oh, this is not good.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Challenge rules have gotten.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I think challenge rules have gotten better.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I think we were griping on challenges at the beginning, but like in general, we have to have a time limit on challenges.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Completely agree with that.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Like time and I think they've been better this year, honestly, a minute and a half, we're done.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I think I think the challenges have moved faster across the board this far throughout the year.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I'm saying like the old you get three challenges and that's it, whether you win or lose it Like, if you win a challenge, you need to be able to keep it, that's just my, I think that's been a great.

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<v Matt Houlihan>That's a must must keep rule for challenges.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I mean in the, in the systems for all the stuff are only going to get better, like it's never going to be worse than what it is today.

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<v Chad Gordon>Right, like the cameras are going to get more inexpensive.

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<v Chad Gordon>It's going to cost less to run all the stuff.

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<v Chad Gordon>More of it's going to be automated and it's not going to take 200 grand to put in something, it's going to take 15.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Maybe there's a computer vision component that.

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<v Chad Gordon>I mean for sure, for sure there is right on on some of this stuff.

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<v Chad Gordon>But like those cameras, right, like the reason that BYU has probably the best challenge system around right is that they have cameras that are 60, 120 frames per second.

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<v Chad Gordon>Everybody else is filming on a Game Boy color that's at six frames per second.

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<v Chad Gordon>So like the ball's here, and then it's here and it's like it bounced somewhere in between.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, where's the line?

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We had a challenge this week against Pepperdine, where it was a, alex Rotman served a ball down the line and yeah, the silent one.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, we saw the line and they, they call it, he calls it out or says call stands and costy goes and asks him and goes what did you see?

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<v Matt Houlihan>He goes.

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<v Matt Houlihan>It pixelated right as the ball got there and I couldn't tell, so I had to stay with with the call.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, he's like how convenient?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Is there any computer vision updates for us?

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<v Matt Houlihan>On on the volleyball Dork side, we still just, still just grinding the long run.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We're still still still yeah, thanks.

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<v Chad Gordon>No, I mean we're, we're forming the company right now and that paperwork I mean just I think that's been the biggest thing for us is like I just didn't know how long it would take to like stand up a corporation.

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<v Chad Gordon>So we're, we're, we're trudging through all of that and then hopefully here in the next week or two that'll be stood up and then we can kind of go full speed on them, some of the stuff, and then I think I'll have a better idea, timeline wise, of you know what's the first product and when does it, you know, kind of get out there and when can we start talking about more stuff and uh.

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<v Matt Houlihan>But you know what they say, Chad, if you're not embarrassed of your first launch, you launched too late.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So I'm announcing my computer vision product that I have been working on.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Ariel vision, where the ref is always wrong.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I saw what I saw.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I will yell at you and posted on Instagram Redact the names, it's fun.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I do have a question for you how far away do you think we are from every is?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>extinct.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Well, there is a referee crisis and shortage my question is how far away do you think we are from each court?

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<v Matt Houlihan>Like we have baller TV, each court has a camera.

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<v Chad Gordon>But having like a camera on each end line and then the in out calls touches being called by ten computer vision, like how far away is that, yeah, Like I mean, tennis is the right, like simplified example, right Of like it's just ball in out and you could do that with a, you know, with a computer today, right, Um, especially with if you had cameras on both sides.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, you could, you could definitely do that.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Why are we not doing?

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<v Chad Gordon>that it takes money.

00:14:36.004 --> 00:14:39.404
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, you got to like baller, tv has a huge incentive, right.

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<v Chad Gordon>They make a large chunk of change to be in all of these tournaments and, to you know, be the exclusive whatever 100%.

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<v Chad Gordon>Um, and so you know, and they went back to their.

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<v Chad Gordon>They had the end line for a little bit right.

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<v Chad Gordon>They probably talked to coaches like no, no coach wants the fish eye, it's the parents because the parents pay for baller TV, and that's the thing right Cause Graham and grandpa are buying the baller TV subscription.

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<v Matt Houlihan>And if they're team, if Sally's team is on the other side of the court, they don't get to see Sally.

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<v Matt Houlihan>They're mad yeah.

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<v Chad Gordon>Tough deal, right and so.

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<v Chad Gordon>And baller TV doesn't want to double their capital output there, you know, buy twice as many things.

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<v Chad Gordon>So yeah, I mean you, you could do it like technology wise it's no problem.

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<v Chad Gordon>Like, maybe you would need 60 frames, a second set of 30, but super doable, the touch calls being automated.

00:15:23.174 --> 00:15:23.996
<v Chad Gordon>That would be tougher.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, um, you'd still probably miss micro touch type of things.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah.

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<v Chad Gordon>Cause I mean the, the cameras that they use like the bolt six guys that are doing like VNL and like we'll do the Olympics and all that.

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<v Chad Gordon>This guys are like 200, 240 frames per second, like it's super high quality and it's a really high frame rate.

00:15:41.707 --> 00:15:44.681
<v Chad Gordon>So if anything moves, you see it and you see it really clearly.

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<v Chad Gordon>So you can go and you can look at all these touches.

00:15:47.413 --> 00:15:49.399
<v Chad Gordon>You're like, oh, the pinky, was it wind?

00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.807
<v Chad Gordon>No, the ball hit it right here and you know I got it.

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<v Chad Gordon>But yeah, I mean they've, they've done a great job with the in out calls and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Chad Gordon>So I mean, obviously you can do it.

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<v Chad Gordon>Tennis has been doing it for years and yeah, but I mean it takes money and volleyball notoriously doesn't have a lot of that.

00:16:06.336 --> 00:16:08.403
<v Arielle Houlihan>But trending up, trending up for sure.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, my, my, my thought is just like all right if there's a referee shortage and they you know, they just changed the rule on doubles.

00:16:15.654 --> 00:16:19.114
<v Matt Houlihan>Like they're, they're removing a lot of things that are like we can talk about that.

00:16:19.134 --> 00:16:19.857
<v Chad Gordon>We can talk about that.

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<v Chad Gordon>That's a great.

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<v Chad Gordon>We should add that to the non-skid.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yeah To the outline.

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<v Matt Houlihan>That's not a docket, but my, my thought is like, all right if they're.

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<v Matt Houlihan>If you have a referee shortage and you kind of see some of these rules that are being changed, like the double rule is one where it's like let's just remove the judgment from the referee's hands and just let them play, right, and it makes it just easier for TV to.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Obviously that's a factor, right, Not not ending the rally as much, but if you're, if you get rid of a lot of the judgment call on, you know, does the ball spin?

00:16:49.158 --> 00:16:54.568
<v Matt Houlihan>Or you know what is, what is the lift versus what is not, so on and so forth.

00:16:54.568 --> 00:17:00.371
<v Matt Houlihan>More and more things can just be done by a camera and calling it an app.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I think you could still and obviously for club tournaments, you can still have the work teams, you can still have your line judges and you know down ref that calls touches at the net.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>The judgment calls are are tough, though.

00:17:12.421 --> 00:17:13.404
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, but doesn't it seem like?

00:17:13.404 --> 00:17:17.079
<v Matt Houlihan>It seems a little bit like the strategy is to try and remove some of those judgment calls.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Right, they used to.

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<v Matt Houlihan>We got rid of nets for a while.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, but we're really testing the boundary on the judgment calls Like is he over or not, and uh, is it a lift?

00:17:29.929 --> 00:17:35.520
<v Arielle Houlihan>Or who touched the ball last or not, Like that's a tough one at the speed of the game right now.

00:17:35.622 --> 00:17:40.116
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah Well, I mean, look at our teams compete, look at international volleyball.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Very few lifts called.

00:17:42.181 --> 00:17:47.105
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, Jams wives barely calling lifts, get rid of doubles.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Okay, that's another judgment call.

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<v Matt Houlihan>That's gone.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I could see them going back to the Nets rule, the back row attack stuff is is judgmentee of like.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Sure, you still like Up at the net, but if you had a camera on the net you'd be able to do that.

00:18:00.569 --> 00:18:02.589
<v Matt Houlihan>But let's, let's say that for club tours that's not going to happen.

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<v Matt Houlihan>You still need a official.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>You need still need someone who has like, but one official would be fine.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Right, yeah.

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<v Matt Houlihan>But if you take a, if you take a ton of that judgment away and you're like, hey, all you need to watch for is who's the right server, Right, I could see them.

00:18:16.795 --> 00:18:17.376
<v Matt Houlihan>I could see them.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>You could have one ref per two or three courts on that.

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<v Matt Houlihan>No, I think you still need one ref per court right now for a club tournament, because you you need to do overs, you need to do probably still need to do Nets.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Obviously Over can be automated.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, but that's All the stuff.

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<v Chad Gordon>When it comes to like these small touches, I think it's going to be the toughest part.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah.

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<v Chad Gordon>Right, anything that's black and white of like did the net move because somebody hit it, or the ball hit it, or like you'd probably get that kind of stuff if you had a camera on the net.

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<v Chad Gordon>Again, I mean like you could also just have a 16 year old standing as the R2 and just be like him.

00:18:53.855 --> 00:18:54.455
<v Chad Gordon>He did it.

00:18:54.455 --> 00:18:56.981
<v Chad Gordon>You know, like those guys aren't doing anything anyway.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Um neither did John Wallace.

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<v Matt Houlihan>John Wallace was the worst out of ref I've ever seen.

00:19:02.236 --> 00:19:03.347
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, he's got his little he's got.

00:19:03.347 --> 00:19:05.502
<v Chad Gordon>His little, he's got his little dog his little squeaky whistle.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>He did not care at all and he would call nothing and he was getting yelled at by coaches.

00:19:09.885 --> 00:19:18.720
<v Arielle Houlihan>He's like I don't care, he's like I don't know, Maybe it was my favorite was always this Like I'm watching here.

00:19:20.365 --> 00:19:21.288
<v Matt Houlihan>He knew the perfect deflection.

00:19:21.288 --> 00:19:29.123
<v Matt Houlihan>I was here I'm watching under Sorry DiGrasse to talk.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Smack on John Wallace's down reference skills.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I told a kid to hit another kid when I was the up ref at a tournament and friends of you, so I don't know what could be worse than that Telling another kid like, if you get hit under the net, hit him back when you're the up ref.

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<v Matt Houlihan>She actually did say that.

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<v Chad Gordon>No, I'm not surprised.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>The kid was like he, he hit me up from underneath the net and I was like then hit him back Like what are?

00:19:54.146 --> 00:19:54.569
<v Chad Gordon>you going to do?

00:19:54.569 --> 00:19:56.214
<v Chad Gordon>My eyes were down, you know.

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<v Chad Gordon>I don't know.

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<v Chad Gordon>I'm watching under.

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<v Chad Gordon>You got to get him down there, yeah.

00:20:01.198 --> 00:20:02.240
<v Arielle Houlihan>What are you going to do about it?

00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.242
<v Arielle Houlihan>You want me to fight for you.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Do you guys have thoughts on the, the updated double rule?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I have a lot of thoughts on it.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I've read like some wild posts on people being so anti.

00:20:13.922 --> 00:20:14.082
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah.

00:20:14.609 --> 00:20:20.082
<v Arielle Houlihan>I thought that I was all for getting rid of it, until I read how much people hate it.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>And I understand their side of it a little bit.

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<v Chad Gordon>How much of that is like get off my lawn.

00:20:28.891 --> 00:20:38.303
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's a little get off my lawn, but like also the undersized center is going to, uh is going to get shit on for this.

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<v Chad Gordon>Why.

00:20:39.589 --> 00:20:48.404
<v Arielle Houlihan>Because the tall physical kid now gets to, gets to go and not be as clean.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So you've got these undersized kids that are just athletes that touch the ball really well and like you see their touch and you're like man, this kid can set a ball.

00:21:00.002 --> 00:21:02.589
<v Arielle Houlihan>And now you get rid of the double rule.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>I will say the opposite side of it is like nobody's going out there trying to double the ball.

00:21:08.962 --> 00:21:14.589
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like you're trying to lay a ball up there for a hitter so that it can, like you're putting the ball in the right place.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So like obviously the technique is going to be the technique, but there's also a part of it that's like the undersized center, Like has a good touch on the wall, is now going to get overlooked a little bit more because you can have not to talk shit.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>You can have a kid like the Texas center who has a horrible touch on the ball and that kid will get recruited over the small kid who's got a good touch, because who cares?

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<v Arielle Houlihan>So I understand the side of it that is like I like I'd push back on that.

00:21:47.211 --> 00:21:54.897
<v Arielle Houlihan>I mean, I do push back on it a little bit too, but coming from an undersized center like I get, struck a cord.

00:21:54.897 --> 00:21:56.010
<v Arielle Houlihan>It does.

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<v Arielle Houlihan>It does make me think about the, the little kid who is training at a high level and maybe that, maybe the sport develops into, not that kid getting overlooked, a little bit more.

00:22:11.102 --> 00:22:11.784
<v Chad Gordon>I understand all that.

00:22:11.784 --> 00:22:13.701
<v Chad Gordon>I mean the point like we joke about.

00:22:13.701 --> 00:22:14.569
<v Chad Gordon>Hey, volleyball has no money.

00:22:14.569 --> 00:22:16.454
<v Chad Gordon>It has no money because there's no advertising.

00:22:16.474 --> 00:22:17.258
<v Matt Houlihan>It's on our television.

00:22:17.498 --> 00:22:19.653
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, Like money got it.

00:22:19.653 --> 00:22:22.796
<v Chad Gordon>So you need to do it for the fans to help the TV product.

00:22:22.796 --> 00:22:23.458
<v Chad Gordon>I understand it.

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<v Chad Gordon>Yep, I don't really agree with the get off my lawn folks because at the end of the day, like just because I can double, it doesn't mean it's hit a ball.

00:22:32.857 --> 00:22:33.358
<v Arielle Houlihan>Right yeah.

00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:37.278
<v Chad Gordon>So I mean, I know plenty of big setters that can't like locate a ball.

00:22:37.278 --> 00:22:40.517
<v Chad Gordon>They couldn't locate it with one or two like touches on the ball.

00:22:40.698 --> 00:22:41.820
<v Matt Houlihan>Totally doesn't matter, yep.

00:22:42.589 --> 00:22:48.743
<v Chad Gordon>So I don't, I don't know, I don't, I don't think I'm not.

00:22:48.743 --> 00:22:50.589
<v Chad Gordon>I'm not even like split, I'm probably like 90, 10.

00:22:51.499 --> 00:22:52.589
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm like 80, 20 on it.

00:22:52.589 --> 00:22:57.127
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like I agree that the double role need, like let's take away more judgment calls.

00:22:57.127 --> 00:22:57.589
<v Arielle Houlihan>I get that.

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<v Matt Houlihan>I'm like 99, one like get rid of the double.

00:23:00.936 --> 00:23:01.156
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah.

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<v Matt Houlihan>Great, get rid of it Like just there's okay If it's a, if you, if you double it and you see someone who just absolutely spins the ball, you know how hard it is to hit that ball.

00:23:11.557 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Arielle Houlihan>Okay.

00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:25.323
<v Arielle Houlihan>So I asked you this question last night, right Of like, if this is such a weird, I have to put my drink down because I have to show you if you, if the double role is being I'll hold this for you.

00:23:25.323 --> 00:23:34.231
<v Arielle Houlihan>If the double role is going away, can you, can you at the pin, like, let's say, you pass a ball to the pin?

00:23:34.231 --> 00:23:36.196
<v Arielle Houlihan>Can you go here here?

00:23:36.196 --> 00:23:37.840
<v Arielle Houlihan>No, why.

00:23:38.589 --> 00:23:44.412
<v Chad Gordon>Because it's not a single move Right, like that's the point, that's how the double is called, but how?

00:23:44.412 --> 00:23:45.535
<v Chad Gordon>Fast, it can't no chance.

00:23:46.337 --> 00:23:48.252
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah no.

00:23:48.252 --> 00:23:49.477
<v Matt Houlihan>The obvious answer is no.

00:23:49.589 --> 00:23:53.931
<v Arielle Houlihan>Will the sport evolve into some sort of new touch, also to be clear.

00:23:54.152 --> 00:23:54.712
<v Chad Gordon>They're to be clear.

00:23:54.712 --> 00:23:56.699
<v Chad Gordon>They're not removing it on the third contact.

00:23:57.589 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Matt Houlihan>There it's only being removed on the second contact Boom, you can't double the first one anyway.

00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:04.546
<v Chad Gordon>Okay, but like you mean like from like an attacking sample like could I get?

00:24:04.546 --> 00:24:06.896
<v Chad Gordon>Up here and just like, swat out of it with two hands and go boom, boom.

00:24:06.896 --> 00:24:09.569
<v Chad Gordon>Like no, she's starting like she's starting to be, like you direct it with the right.

00:24:10.291 --> 00:24:15.482
<v Arielle Houlihan>So I'd say a bunch of tick-tocks being like, can I now go here and then go and hit the ball myself?

00:24:15.482 --> 00:24:20.570
<v Arielle Houlihan>And obviously you can't do that, but how fast the game goes, can you?

00:24:21.193 --> 00:24:22.218
<v Chad Gordon>start to juggle the ball.

00:24:22.218 --> 00:24:24.715
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, to be fair, it's on the second contact only.

00:24:24.715 --> 00:24:26.931
<v Chad Gordon>Okay, because it?

00:24:26.931 --> 00:24:30.778
<v Chad Gordon>Well, it's not even just a second, it's a as long as the ball is not being played over the net.

00:24:30.818 --> 00:24:32.803
<v Arielle Houlihan>So we've gotten rid of the first contact double.

00:24:32.803 --> 00:24:33.304
<v Arielle Houlihan>You can't dump it.

00:24:33.304 --> 00:24:34.803
<v Arielle Houlihan>We've gotten rid of the second contact double.

00:24:35.589 --> 00:24:39.816
<v Chad Gordon>Unless you're dumping, still would be a double Well dunking it or whatever.

00:24:39.816 --> 00:24:47.549
<v Chad Gordon>On attack yeah you cannot attack with a double, which they probably were in a room and thought of that exact situation.

00:24:47.990 --> 00:24:53.152
<v Arielle Houlihan>Had a couple of martinis or like guys they did not, they did not, yeah, they're no fun they didn't have.

00:24:53.152 --> 00:24:55.337
<v Arielle Houlihan>They didn't have fun while coming up with the rules.

00:24:55.377 --> 00:24:58.557
<v Matt Houlihan>No chance, I'm 99% for it.

00:24:58.557 --> 00:24:59.412
<v Matt Houlihan>Like.

00:24:59.692 --> 00:25:01.777
<v Arielle Houlihan>I don't want to be the devil's advocate, by the way, I don't.

00:25:01.777 --> 00:25:02.798
<v Arielle Houlihan>I want the double role.

00:25:02.798 --> 00:25:03.540
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, you're 80-20.

00:25:03.540 --> 00:25:03.862
<v Arielle Houlihan>I get it.

00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:05.775
<v Matt Houlihan>The main thing for me, it's TV.

00:25:05.775 --> 00:25:13.442
<v Matt Houlihan>Let's make this as clean and simple as possible so that we can make this sport watchable for a common fan.

00:25:13.442 --> 00:25:15.084
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, I get it the beach purists.

00:25:15.084 --> 00:25:17.596
<v Matt Houlihan>It's like no spin whatsoever.

00:25:17.817 --> 00:25:20.595
<v Chad Gordon>Get off my sand If I go play in a Santa Cruz B.

00:25:20.674 --> 00:25:29.061
<v Matt Houlihan>Right now it's harder to play the B than it is to play in the open because every B player is like no, that ball spun two centimeters Double you're out.

00:25:29.061 --> 00:25:31.816
<v Matt Houlihan>No, like, let's play the game.

00:25:31.816 --> 00:25:33.319
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, Let the game be played.

00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.135
<v Matt Houlihan>Watch and see how great this game is, not.

00:25:37.135 --> 00:25:38.038
<v Matt Houlihan>What wait?

00:25:38.038 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Matt Houlihan>What just happened why?

00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:39.721
<v Matt Houlihan>Why did they lose the point?

00:25:39.761 --> 00:25:40.163
<v Arielle Houlihan>What was that?

00:25:40.163 --> 00:25:48.420
<v Arielle Houlihan>It can be a Olympic level setter and touch a ball in a B and be like I literally can't set the ball without spinning a little bit Like it's ridiculous.

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:52.757
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's so hard to do so like why would we play like that?

00:25:52.757 --> 00:25:53.117
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah?

00:25:53.950 --> 00:25:59.094
<v Matt Houlihan>I mean and the other argument of the like the little setter, like small setter versus bigger setter talking to.

00:25:59.094 --> 00:26:15.078
<v Matt Houlihan>I talked to Taylor about this Taylor Averill, he was communicating about like the different setters that he's hit off of and we were talking about big set, like the big setter movement, how there was like a movement in the NCAA for like let's get the biggest guys.

00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:18.038
<v Arielle Houlihan>We can little setter movement, the loy ball, yeah, yeah.

00:26:18.097 --> 00:26:20.041
<v Matt Houlihan>Like after the loy ball, everyone's like I want a big setter.

00:26:20.390 --> 00:26:24.876
<v Arielle Houlihan>One of them might be a great example of this, the six, six lefty setter, right For sure.

00:26:25.137 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Matt Houlihan>And Taylor was talking.

00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.538
<v Matt Houlihan>He's like there was a setter in the in the USA gym.

00:26:28.538 --> 00:26:32.330
<v Matt Houlihan>He's like I just couldn't hit off of him, like it was.

00:26:32.330 --> 00:26:38.630
<v Matt Houlihan>He was up here and he was bringing the ball down to me and I I just couldn't Like we had no connection.

00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:52.894
<v Matt Houlihan>And he's like he's a great setters, great player, great blocker but like his his sets were just unhittable to me, right, and so when it, when it comes down to it, like settings about location, can he locate regardless of size?

00:26:52.894 --> 00:27:02.211
<v Matt Houlihan>Yes, the other things are all great, great pluses, right, having Micah at six, six, six, seven, that's a good blocker and offensive with the greats, like those are all great things.

00:27:02.211 --> 00:27:05.939
<v Matt Houlihan>But he also locates six, seven, six.

00:27:05.959 --> 00:27:06.861
<v Arielle Houlihan>I want to say six, six.

00:27:08.569 --> 00:27:08.871
<v Matt Houlihan>He's not.

00:27:08.871 --> 00:27:09.974
<v Matt Houlihan>He is not a undersized setter.

00:27:09.974 --> 00:27:11.460
<v Matt Houlihan>Wow.

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:30.854
<v Matt Houlihan>So I mean those, when it comes down to it, like there are guys who are tiny, like Argentina setter, who can absolutely dish the ball and they're going to play over the big guy because they know how to run the offense, they know how to locate and they will find ways to cover up the quote unquote weaknesses in their game.

00:27:30.854 --> 00:27:34.343
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm going to go for a run.

00:27:34.343 --> 00:27:37.054
<v Matt Houlihan>I hopped down on the strand and I just take off.

00:27:37.173 --> 00:27:49.921
<v Matt Houlihan>We're up north I had a Thursday morning and I'm just out and I get up to the pier and I just see these like USA volleyball banners are like the little sand blocker things out there and I like stop to look and see.

00:27:49.921 --> 00:27:53.553
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm like, oh, that looks like try born.

00:27:53.553 --> 00:27:58.423
<v Matt Houlihan>Oh, that looks like uh, that looks like, uh, trevor Crab.

00:27:58.423 --> 00:27:59.164
<v Matt Houlihan>Oh, that looks like.

00:27:59.164 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Matt Houlihan>Just going down the list Like wait, what is happening right now?

00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:11.169
<v Matt Houlihan>And then I see just like all of the USA volleyball players out there warming up and I'm like what is going on?

00:28:11.189 --> 00:28:15.758
<v Matt Houlihan>I go and yeah, just random Thursday I go finish the run North Seiko.

00:28:15.798 --> 00:28:17.647
<v Chad Gordon>Like you know, quality time yeah exactly.

00:28:17.970 --> 00:28:22.536
<v Matt Houlihan>I get, I get back to house, I'm like so there's like a legitimate beach tournament going on right now down by the pier.

00:28:22.536 --> 00:28:22.998
<v Matt Houlihan>Like do you want?

00:28:23.038 --> 00:28:24.824
<v Arielle Houlihan>to go check it out Thursday morning.

00:28:24.954 --> 00:28:28.044
<v Matt Houlihan>It's like our talking or one day off and we were like that.

00:28:28.064 --> 00:28:29.556
<v Arielle Houlihan>Were randomly in Manhattan Beach.

00:28:30.076 --> 00:28:31.240
<v Matt Houlihan>Like sure, yeah, let's go down there.

00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:35.305
<v Matt Houlihan>So we went down and sure enough, right when we walk, walk up hurlers.

00:28:35.305 --> 00:28:36.634
<v Matt Houlihan>Like setting up a camera on the court.

00:28:37.397 --> 00:28:44.500
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like hey, we've got the top beach athletes some of them in the world playing right here and not like nobody's watching.

00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:49.481
<v Matt Houlihan>It was like a nobody knows it was like a pickup game and we're like where's like, can we?

00:28:49.501 --> 00:28:51.750
<v Chad Gordon>just get a videographer out here.

00:28:52.432 --> 00:28:53.797
<v Matt Houlihan>Like the best cover that.

00:28:53.797 --> 00:28:57.736
<v Matt Houlihan>Literally, that video that was posted by ABB is probably the best coverage of that day.

00:28:58.017 --> 00:29:01.306
<v Arielle Houlihan>I did take a couple of videos of the guy that had a camera there.

00:29:01.306 --> 00:29:09.502
<v Arielle Houlihan>They had a USA volleyball shirt and I was going to make a tick talk just like, with some funny sound being like doing their best out here.

00:29:10.637 --> 00:29:22.031
<v Matt Houlihan>The poor guys, the poor guys, the guys with this poor guy take photos and take videos and like try and do something like check, checking that box of like.

00:29:22.031 --> 00:29:25.984
<v Matt Houlihan>This was in my job description, but I also need to do 19 other things today.

00:29:26.717 --> 00:29:28.265
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like don't mess with this poor guy.

00:29:28.345 --> 00:29:42.864
<v Matt Houlihan>I was like I could post a video right now and it would be, but, yeah, but just more, more of a, more of a sign of the times for, like for beach volleyball, my goodness, like that, sport deserves so much more in terms of production and just marketing.

00:29:44.057 --> 00:29:48.227
<v Chad Gordon>I mean the most coverage of beach volleyball happens through whatever the McKibbins choose to do.

00:29:48.714 --> 00:29:49.056
<v Arielle Houlihan>Exactly.

00:29:49.056 --> 00:29:52.025
<v Arielle Houlihan>And the McKibbins are there and like why are we not?

00:29:52.265 --> 00:29:52.586
<v Chad Gordon>promoting.

00:29:52.586 --> 00:29:57.500
<v Chad Gordon>They're putting on their own events and getting more people to show up to that than actual qualifier events.

00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:03.446
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, need, need more people like the McKibbins on on the sport 100%.

00:30:03.894 --> 00:30:08.046
<v Chad Gordon>But they're I mean, they are big enough now, where I mean they, that's what they do.

00:30:08.046 --> 00:30:11.003
<v Chad Gordon>Right, they're not playing anymore, they're just making content.

00:30:11.003 --> 00:30:19.621
<v Chad Gordon>They're just like I mean, obviously they make enough money doing that, so, like it, it needs to be a business enough, you know, for these people to enter that game.

00:30:19.621 --> 00:30:21.726
<v Chad Gordon>Otherwise it's just financially doesn't make any sense.

00:30:21.925 --> 00:30:22.106
<v Matt Houlihan>Right.

00:30:22.106 --> 00:30:30.881
<v Matt Houlihan>Well, I mean, it's got to be part part passion to to start right, to build, like someone has to really go in and build it.

00:30:30.881 --> 00:30:36.560
<v Matt Houlihan>Someone's got to be first and so, yeah, I think that's that's definitely a part of a part of it.

00:30:36.560 --> 00:30:51.023
<v Matt Houlihan>But there is enough out there that I think, if more and more people jump into it and are creating and getting content and filming and and pushing that out, that you can make money off of it.

00:30:51.023 --> 00:31:00.563
<v Matt Houlihan>Still, if you're a, you know, if you're a content creator, if you're a videographer, um, or you're someone that wants to build a brand around beach volleyball, then that's what you do.

00:31:00.603 --> 00:31:11.484
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, obviously girls volleyball is a whole different thing, but like men's volleyball, beach volleyball, the black sheep of volleyball like need help.

00:31:13.957 --> 00:31:16.202
<v Chad Gordon>There's somebody like great characters in the sport too.

00:31:16.202 --> 00:31:23.297
<v Chad Gordon>Right that like you don't even have to find like these, like diamonds in the rough, I mean, because it's just completely untapped.

00:31:23.297 --> 00:31:29.681
<v Chad Gordon>You can pick the diamonds sitting on top of the pile off of the pile because no one else has farmed that right.

00:31:29.681 --> 00:31:32.009
<v Chad Gordon>Like I don't know it.

00:31:32.009 --> 00:31:38.777
<v Chad Gordon>Just it seems like a like a golden opportunity for somebody to come in and fricking drive to survive this thing, or whatever.

00:31:38.777 --> 00:31:40.525
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I mean eventually, right yeah.

00:31:40.895 --> 00:31:42.077
<v Matt Houlihan>But I mean, yeah, it always.

00:31:42.077 --> 00:31:46.678
<v Matt Houlihan>There's always a push around the Olympic year, right Of of that's.

00:31:46.678 --> 00:31:55.460
<v Matt Houlihan>That's their time to shine, no doubt, and then there's a little bit of an afterglow and then it kind of fades away and then you got to wait you know another two years until the Olympics comes back again.

00:31:55.760 --> 00:31:56.703
<v Matt Houlihan>Continue on with our docket.

00:31:56.703 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, the next thing that we did have listed on the on the dock was a little AAU update Current registration numbers.

00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:06.767
<v Matt Houlihan>This is 10 days ago that he texted me.

00:32:06.767 --> 00:32:11.781
<v Matt Houlihan>The current registration numbers is 1160 boys teams.

00:32:11.781 --> 00:32:13.986
<v Matt Houlihan>So I have a question for both of you.

00:32:13.986 --> 00:32:21.295
<v Matt Houlihan>How did USA volleyball drop the ball on this situation so badly?

00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:25.605
<v Chad Gordon>For those wondering at home, that's how many teams were registered last year.

00:32:25.605 --> 00:32:26.276
<v Chad Gordon>How do I know that?

00:32:26.276 --> 00:32:27.421
<v Chad Gordon>Talk to Joe.

00:32:29.851 --> 00:32:30.694
<v Matt Houlihan>So we already got a 200.

00:32:30.694 --> 00:32:35.144
<v Matt Houlihan>Everyone's only going to see me laughing hysterically but, I had a lot to say earlier.

00:32:36.315 --> 00:32:38.701
<v Chad Gordon>The crowded home miss last 17 minutes Okay.

00:32:38.701 --> 00:32:42.239
<v Chad Gordon>So the question is how did how?

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:44.346
<v Matt Houlihan>did USA volleyball drop the ball so poorly?

00:32:44.515 --> 00:32:45.760
<v Chad Gordon>It's not even though they dropped it.

00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:52.123
<v Chad Gordon>It's that they forgot there was a ball and you just grabbed it and decided that they were playing a game.

00:32:52.123 --> 00:32:53.907
<v Chad Gordon>Usa was taking a nap.

00:32:53.907 --> 00:32:56.099
<v Chad Gordon>I mean it wasn't even like.

00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:59.606
<v Chad Gordon>I don't even think it's like a USA is that fault.

00:32:59.667 --> 00:33:15.645
<v Chad Gordon>I just think yeah you just okay, maybe, but like I just, I think that you just decided to try and was like hey, there might be a crap load of money to be made here and this might be a great thing for us to get get our feet wet in and, oh wait, no one's going to fight us for this.

00:33:16.675 --> 00:33:35.994
<v Arielle Houlihan>I think that AAU hit the jackpot and they were there at a time where USA volleyball just was had a like complete and total misstep of what they were doing with boys, did not realize it.

00:33:35.994 --> 00:33:43.449
<v Arielle Houlihan>They were warned multiple times and didn't take us seriously, and then it happened.

00:33:43.449 --> 00:33:48.940
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, you say us, and it's I think it goes to a group of club directors, a bunch of club directors who were having issues.

00:33:49.634 --> 00:33:53.022
<v Arielle Houlihan>And I've honestly I applaud boys volleyball around the country.

00:33:53.022 --> 00:34:01.296
<v Arielle Houlihan>It is incredible what they did, like a group of club directors that all got on the same page and said like we, enough is enough.

00:34:01.296 --> 00:34:03.401
<v Arielle Houlihan>We have to do what's right for boys volleyball.

00:34:03.401 --> 00:34:09.909
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like this made boys volleyball take a step in a huge direction and it's been healthy for the sport.

00:34:09.909 --> 00:34:12.998
<v Arielle Houlihan>There's no reason that this is like that.

00:34:12.998 --> 00:34:16.755
<v Arielle Houlihan>Even USA volleyball could come to any of us and say that this was bad for the sport.

00:34:16.755 --> 00:34:17.838
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was great for the sport.

00:34:17.838 --> 00:34:26.217
<v Arielle Houlihan>It drove the sport into a great direction and there was help given to club directors that needed a place for kids to go and have a real national championship.

00:34:26.217 --> 00:34:34.347
<v Arielle Houlihan>And there was too much being held over everybody's heads in their own regions and their own issues that were going on and there wasn't any changes that were willing to be made.

00:34:34.347 --> 00:34:35.818
<v Arielle Houlihan>And so the club director said you know what?

00:34:35.818 --> 00:34:37.264
<v Arielle Houlihan>We have control over what's going on.

00:34:37.715 --> 00:34:50.782
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, I think it's important to like, when you think about the issue, to break it, to break down, like the USA volleyball structure, on how that really prevented them from being able to be proactive.

00:34:50.782 --> 00:35:02.255
<v Matt Houlihan>Like USA volleyball is the NGB, the national governing body for the sport, and they run the championship and they run a number of qualifiers that gets you to the championship Right.

00:35:02.255 --> 00:35:05.829
<v Matt Houlihan>So if you earn a bid in those events you get to go.

00:35:05.829 --> 00:35:08.115
<v Matt Houlihan>Each region operates on its own.

00:35:08.115 --> 00:35:31.456
<v Matt Houlihan>It's like all of these regions are their own little entities that are technically separate from USA volleyball and so when you have each region doing their own thing and each region has its own way of customer service and its own way of how they handle you know their club directors and their customers that are in that that space, it causes a lot of problems.

00:35:31.456 --> 00:35:38.632
<v Matt Houlihan>Southern California had a bunch of issues and that was kind of the big, I'd say, the final, final straw.

00:35:38.684 --> 00:35:42.545
<v Arielle Houlihan>That was the biggest part piece of all these clubs in Southern California wanting to make the move.

00:35:42.806 --> 00:35:52.717
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, Like USA volleyball is kind of takes a walled garden approach of like you, you, you come into their world, you have to play by the rules yet to do everything their way.

00:35:52.717 --> 00:35:55.530
<v Matt Houlihan>But each garden is different depending on the region.

00:35:55.530 --> 00:36:16.514
<v Matt Houlihan>Whereas, like hey, like if we we tried to talk to the NCAA about running we run a grass tournament called Grassman and I reached out to them about running it through the NCAA and like having all of our kids have memberships already, trying to run the insurance through them, and they said absolutely not, we run all events in this area.

00:36:16.554 --> 00:36:16.994
<v Arielle Houlihan>Monopoly.

00:36:17.344 --> 00:36:17.907
<v Matt Houlihan>Like that's.

00:36:17.907 --> 00:36:20.458
<v Matt Houlihan>This is what we we are the event organizers.

00:36:20.458 --> 00:36:23.510
<v Matt Houlihan>Aau takes the approach of like, just like free market.

00:36:23.510 --> 00:36:31.804
<v Matt Houlihan>And they're like hey, if you want to purchase your insurance through us and it's cheap and you want to run an event, no problem, you go, run your event, you.

00:36:31.804 --> 00:36:35.237
<v Matt Houlihan>But you're going to compete with any other person that also wants to run an event.

00:36:35.237 --> 00:36:42.289
<v Matt Houlihan>So the impetus then just falls on like who can, who can run the best event and who can provide the best customer service, that's the person that wins.

00:36:42.289 --> 00:36:45.704
<v Matt Houlihan>There's no like hey, this region runs, these people run this region.

00:36:45.704 --> 00:36:47.672
<v Matt Houlihan>You need to play by their rules, it's.

00:36:47.672 --> 00:36:51.226
<v Matt Houlihan>Anyone could do anything under the AAU umbrella, as long as you follow these.

00:36:51.226 --> 00:36:54.152
<v Matt Houlihan>You know general guidelines of what.

00:36:54.492 --> 00:37:00.431
<v Matt Houlihan>You know what needs to be done, and so it's just full competition, and so that makes everyone better.

00:37:00.431 --> 00:37:17.951
<v Matt Houlihan>There's certainly things about you know, AAU versus USAV stuff that like we want, like the player transfer rules and some of those things that we don't want to open up and make these wild west type of situations where everyone's just like constantly having to fight and battle.

00:37:17.951 --> 00:37:27.541
<v Matt Houlihan>There's certainly some guidelines that are needed and and good, but having competition and having actual say about how things progress.

00:37:27.704 --> 00:37:38.324
<v Matt Houlihan>It's the most important thing is the biggest reason why I think teams have continued to add on to AAU is that there's a lot of opportunity and they make it easy for teams to get involved.

00:37:38.445 --> 00:37:48.496
<v Arielle Houlihan>But also when you have I mean, boys volleyball is small, like when, when a couple people go, the rest have to follow to keep the sport together.

00:37:48.496 --> 00:37:52.210
<v Arielle Houlihan>And it's the thing that girls volleyball and boys volleyball are different.

00:37:52.210 --> 00:37:57.007
<v Arielle Houlihan>On girls volleyball, there's enough of a market for there to be two national championships.

00:37:57.088 --> 00:37:58.773
<v Matt Houlihan>Girls girls AAU numbers.

00:37:58.773 --> 00:38:04.086
<v Matt Houlihan>There's, as of 10 days ago, 4,440 teams registered for AAU.

00:38:04.588 --> 00:38:04.728
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's.

00:38:04.728 --> 00:38:11.126
<v Arielle Houlihan>That's literally four times the amount, and there's a USA volleyball event that is just as big.

00:38:11.126 --> 00:38:18.018
<v Arielle Houlihan>So we're talking like we are one tenth of what is going on with girls volleyball.

00:38:18.018 --> 00:38:31.215
<v Arielle Houlihan>You can't split up boys volleyball and think that that is that is going to happen when you have the largest clubs all coming together saying we're on the same page, let's keep us together, let's make sure that we all are going through this in the same fair way.

00:38:31.215 --> 00:38:33.432
<v Arielle Houlihan>You have to take them seriously.

00:38:33.432 --> 00:38:36.485
<v Arielle Houlihan>There are 10 clubs here that got together and said you know what?

00:38:36.485 --> 00:38:37.208
<v Arielle Houlihan>Enough is enough.

00:38:37.208 --> 00:38:37.951
<v Arielle Houlihan>Are you on board?

00:38:37.951 --> 00:38:39.355
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm on board If you're on board.

00:38:39.355 --> 00:38:44.277
<v Arielle Houlihan>And USA volleyball did not take us seriously whatsoever and that's the reason we left.

00:38:44.626 --> 00:38:46.233
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.

00:38:46.233 --> 00:38:50.672
<v Matt Houlihan>In those calls and in those meetings USA volleyball literally said we can't do anything about it.

00:38:50.672 --> 00:38:52.115
<v Matt Houlihan>We're not in charge of the regions.

00:38:52.405 --> 00:38:58.869
<v Arielle Houlihan>Hours and hours and hours of weekly meetings with club directors through COVID, through like right after COVID.

00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:01.577
<v Arielle Houlihan>I mean, how many, how many Zoom calls were we on?

00:39:01.577 --> 00:39:07.045
<v Arielle Houlihan>I mean it was a actual time commitment, that was it was countless.

00:39:07.144 --> 00:39:23.311
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was a recurring weekly or twice a week Getting everybody on page, on the same page, trying to make sure that we were doing right by everybody, and we had through COVID, that was what pushed us of like we have the time to sit down and say you know what, like, let's all really get on the same page here.

00:39:23.311 --> 00:39:30.317
<v Arielle Houlihan>And Zoom was like a a thing and we were all able to be face to face, of like, okay, we have to do right by this.

00:39:30.317 --> 00:39:40.764
<v Arielle Houlihan>And we did not have leadership at USA volleyball saying you know what you guys are really valued it just it's, that's a fact.

00:39:41.445 --> 00:39:45.954
<v Matt Houlihan>Yep, All right If Chad put your CEO hat on for a second.

00:39:45.954 --> 00:39:52.632
<v Matt Houlihan>You're the CEO of USA volleyball now and you want to bring boys volleyball back to USAV.

00:39:52.632 --> 00:39:54.797
<v Matt Houlihan>What do you do?

00:39:54.797 --> 00:39:56.126
<v Matt Houlihan>Just give up?

00:39:56.548 --> 00:39:57.751
<v Chad Gordon>I mean, it's just.

00:39:58.494 --> 00:39:59.277
<v Arielle Houlihan>Okay, well, Chad's.

00:39:59.887 --> 00:40:01.003
<v Chad Gordon>Lost cause fire me.

00:40:01.003 --> 00:40:02.963
<v Chad Gordon>This is a PSA, I can't do it.

00:40:03.266 --> 00:40:04.731
<v Arielle Houlihan>This is a PSA, usa volleyball.

00:40:04.731 --> 00:40:07.322
<v Arielle Houlihan>Please don't hire Chad Gordon to be the CEO of USA volleyball.

00:40:07.784 --> 00:40:09.889
<v Chad Gordon>I just can't, can't even imagine.

00:40:09.889 --> 00:40:14.818
<v Chad Gordon>No, I mean it's, the structure is fundamentally flawed.

00:40:14.818 --> 00:40:18.594
<v Chad Gordon>Right, there is a financial incentive for all of these regions.

00:40:18.614 --> 00:40:19.297
<v Arielle Houlihan>How do you take it back?

00:40:21.324 --> 00:40:23.831
<v Chad Gordon>You have to uncouple the regions from from all the like.

00:40:23.831 --> 00:40:29.914
<v Chad Gordon>The structure just can't work that way Right, like if everybody can kind of just go off and do their own thing.

00:40:29.914 --> 00:40:33.525
<v Chad Gordon>I mean I just don't see how that's a long term.

00:40:33.606 --> 00:40:39.141
<v Arielle Houlihan>So you have to rewrite the bylaws, you have to have the board come together to vote on.

00:40:39.141 --> 00:40:42.268
<v Arielle Houlihan>Burn it to the ground and start over On board to the ground to start over.

00:40:42.786 --> 00:41:01.784
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I mean it's, it's just not working Right and so, but I mean like the girl side is interesting, right, because it's big enough where, even with all of that and like, let's be honest, there's a financial incentive to run in these big tournaments, you can still hey, I didn't qualify for the open division of the U S.

00:41:01.784 --> 00:41:02.748
<v Chad Gordon>Well, who carries man?

00:41:02.748 --> 00:41:04.507
<v Chad Gordon>I'm going to Orlando, it's no problem.

00:41:04.507 --> 00:41:06.548
<v Chad Gordon>Whichever you win, I'm in the fourth wave.

00:41:06.548 --> 00:41:08.226
<v Chad Gordon>Oh, I'm in the 17th Shoot.

00:41:08.226 --> 00:41:16.476
<v Chad Gordon>You know, girls volleyball is not going to have that problem, but on the boys side, yeah, you need everybody under one roof, otherwise it doesn't work, at least today.

00:41:16.476 --> 00:41:17.925
<v Chad Gordon>Maybe in 10 years, twice as big.

00:41:18.266 --> 00:41:24.036
<v Chad Gordon>I hope, I hope it sometime, yeah, I hope we have a 17th wave for poised nationals one time.

00:41:24.036 --> 00:41:33.635
<v Chad Gordon>But yeah, I mean, there are just too many people who have their own motivations, right when it's just it's tough to wrangle all those cats back into the barn.

00:41:33.635 --> 00:41:35.675
<v Chad Gordon>So is that the metaphor?

00:41:35.675 --> 00:41:36.018
<v Chad Gordon>Is that it?

00:41:36.507 --> 00:41:38.853
<v Arielle Houlihan>I don't think that you've been hanging out with that too much lately.

00:41:39.184 --> 00:41:40.108
<v Chad Gordon>Cats back in the barn.

00:41:41.284 --> 00:41:43.574
<v Arielle Houlihan>That was like yes, Absolutely.

00:41:44.889 --> 00:41:47.275
<v Matt Houlihan>Hey, my mind immediately drew that picture.

00:41:47.275 --> 00:41:49.764
<v Matt Houlihan>So yeah, I could see cats going back into a barn.

00:41:49.804 --> 00:41:51.411
<v Arielle Houlihan>Oh my gosh, you too Sold.

00:41:51.411 --> 00:41:56.804
<v Arielle Houlihan>What would you do, Matt, to get boys back to USA volleyball?

00:41:58.349 --> 00:42:09.025
<v Matt Houlihan>I mean, I'd start talking to club directors and, like, the biggest thing that USA in the conversations that we had with USA volleyball, the biggest things that was brought up was supporting the men's national team.

00:42:09.025 --> 00:42:17.018
<v Matt Houlihan>Like, usa volleyball is the group that is in charge of supporting our men's and women's national teams.

00:42:17.264 --> 00:42:18.389
<v Arielle Houlihan>To which we want to do.

00:42:18.969 --> 00:42:23.643
<v Matt Houlihan>To which we responded no problem, we want to make donations to the men's national team through you know.

00:42:23.643 --> 00:42:36.724
<v Matt Houlihan>We asked a you to make donations with the funds that come from the entry fees for the national championship, and the response that we got was no no, we will not earmark it for men's volleyball.

00:42:36.724 --> 00:42:41.177
<v Matt Houlihan>You can make a donation, but it will not be earmarked just for the men's national team.

00:42:41.324 --> 00:42:42.289
<v Arielle Houlihan>To which, who cares?

00:42:42.289 --> 00:42:44.873
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm going to just write Eric Soji a check.

00:42:44.873 --> 00:42:46.369
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

00:42:46.369 --> 00:42:48.655
<v Arielle Houlihan>This is a joke you a.

00:42:48.715 --> 00:42:50.103
<v Chad Gordon>You wanted to, oh yeah.

00:42:50.304 --> 00:42:54.369
<v Matt Houlihan>We asked, we asked a you Not even to make it, to make a donation.

00:42:54.525 --> 00:42:56.231
<v Arielle Houlihan>This happened a couple of weeks ago.

00:42:56.231 --> 00:43:06.768
<v Arielle Houlihan>A couple of weeks ago, Balboa wanted to make shirts with which we are doing we are.

00:43:06.768 --> 00:43:15.798
<v Arielle Houlihan>We are doing this Balboa and Beta Bay shirts saying Paris Olympics, supporting the men's national team.

00:43:15.798 --> 00:43:18.311
<v Arielle Houlihan>All proceeds go to the men's national team.

00:43:18.452 --> 00:43:26.273
<v Chad Gordon>Great, we asked USA volleyball Correct, and then they would not earmark it.

00:43:26.545 --> 00:43:36.043
<v Arielle Houlihan>Jamie Davis said no, take our money To which we said, to which we now are Okay, no problem.

00:43:36.063 --> 00:43:36.425
<v Chad Gordon>What are you doing?

00:43:36.626 --> 00:43:41.219
<v Arielle Houlihan>We're doing it anyways, and I'll write the actual individuals on the team of check.

00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:44.911
<v Arielle Houlihan>No problem, I will write you individually a check and I will.

00:43:44.911 --> 00:43:46.356
<v Arielle Houlihan>I will give you each money.

00:43:46.646 --> 00:43:46.827
<v Matt Houlihan>Beer.

00:43:46.887 --> 00:43:48.007
<v Chad Gordon>Russell and beer Aaron.

00:43:48.047 --> 00:43:48.873
<v Arielle Houlihan>Russell, here you go.

00:43:48.873 --> 00:43:49.619
<v Arielle Houlihan>Here is a.

00:43:49.699 --> 00:43:50.425
<v Chad Gordon>The bigger the mustache.

00:43:50.465 --> 00:43:57.871
<v Arielle Houlihan>Here is a 50 cent check to whatever or whatever, however much we get, Like they it goes to the national team.

00:43:58.284 --> 00:43:59.949
<v Chad Gordon>Now we'll just pay the kids Better.

00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:02.032
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I mean sure, great Double down 100%.

00:44:02.695 --> 00:44:03.315
<v Arielle Houlihan>Unreal.

00:44:03.976 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Chad Gordon>That doesn't make any.

00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.585
<v Chad Gordon>This is one of those things I just don't get Right.

00:44:08.585 --> 00:44:12.246
<v Chad Gordon>It's like yeah, it's like a bit like when you get to the answer you're looking for, hang up or whatever.

00:44:12.246 --> 00:44:16.010
<v Chad Gordon>That money ball thing is like stop beating the dead horse, Correct, Dude?

00:44:16.010 --> 00:44:17.144
<v Chad Gordon>We're trying to give you money.

00:44:17.889 --> 00:44:21.951
<v Arielle Houlihan>We want to support the group of people that we are trying to help produce.

00:44:21.951 --> 00:44:27.056
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, like we're trying our hardest to help grow this sport in the right way.

00:44:27.056 --> 00:44:30.514
<v Arielle Houlihan>We want to help like that pipeline.

00:44:30.514 --> 00:44:32.891
<v Arielle Houlihan>Why would you not incentivize?

00:44:33.144 --> 00:44:41.092
<v Matt Houlihan>Because that was their number one chip that they tried to use to keep clubs involved which are hey, I, I get it, we want.

00:44:41.092 --> 00:44:42.184
<v Matt Houlihan>We want to support the national team.

00:44:42.204 --> 00:44:45.081
<v Chad Gordon>No one's going to play in your national like, but you have to solve.

00:44:45.101 --> 00:44:45.844
<v Arielle Houlihan>Don't treat us badly.

00:44:46.025 --> 00:44:48.384
<v Matt Houlihan>You have to solve the problems at the core of the issue.

00:44:48.384 --> 00:44:56.521
<v Matt Houlihan>Right, when customer service is not there and the main source of your revenue, which is the clubs.

00:44:56.521 --> 00:45:08.650
<v Matt Houlihan>Right, who are paying the entry fees, whose parents are playing the, paying the admissions, doing all of those different, different things, and when they're not being taken care of, you're going to seek an alternative option that is better for business.

00:45:08.731 --> 00:45:08.911
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah.

00:45:09.505 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Matt Houlihan>That's what was done in Southern California, that's what's been done in multiple cases across the country, and when there is a free market solution, the market will go where it is better serving them.

00:45:23.244 --> 00:45:37.065
<v Matt Houlihan>So if you, if whoever the CEO of USA volleyball is that wants to bring back boys volleyball and bring that national championship, there needs to be conversations with club directors about hey, how can we help solve these issues, how can we help bridge the gap in these solutions?

00:45:37.065 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Matt Houlihan>Cause I think what, what USA volleyball really wants, when it comes down to it, is they want the national championship back, because that's the actual money maker for them.

00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:48.585
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah Right, like yeah, they made money on the, on the qualifiers, and they made.

00:45:48.585 --> 00:45:50.592
<v Matt Houlihan>They got their cut back and their kickback from that.

00:45:50.592 --> 00:45:57.864
<v Matt Houlihan>In terms of the, they get the entry fee, they get a portion of entry fees for any of the bid tournaments, but when it really comes down to, is the national championship.

00:45:57.864 --> 00:46:02.505
<v Matt Houlihan>So how do you get clubs to get back to being in the national championship?

00:46:02.505 --> 00:46:10.780
<v Matt Houlihan>It's understanding how they can help better provide a experience and service that makes their clubs.

00:46:10.965 --> 00:46:14.211
<v Arielle Houlihan>Let us be very clear AAU has done that.

00:46:14.393 --> 00:46:16.693
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, that's exactly, that's literally.

00:46:16.693 --> 00:46:19.864
<v Matt Houlihan>They need to do what the AAU has been doing.

00:46:20.045 --> 00:46:40.344
<v Arielle Houlihan>And, and like we're not saying that AAU has done a bad job, no, no, no, no, they've done a great job AAU has done a very good job and so like for this is just saying how we got to this point, 100% Like it's going to be a very long road for there to be any change made because AAU has done a great job with what they're doing.

00:46:40.525 --> 00:46:44.762
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, if AAU was not doing a good job and USA Voliwell got their act together.

00:46:44.943 --> 00:46:45.304
<v Arielle Houlihan>Totally Sure.

00:46:45.465 --> 00:46:45.648
<v Matt Houlihan>You.

00:46:45.648 --> 00:46:47.625
<v Matt Houlihan>Even still, there still would be a split.

00:46:48.626 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Arielle Houlihan>There's people who, no matter what, no matter what, I will say there are people who are loyalists on USA volleyball and that's it, and they're losing their clubs right now.

00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:00.061
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah.

00:47:00.775 --> 00:47:01.829
<v Arielle Houlihan>They are losing their clubs.

00:47:01.829 --> 00:47:03.554
<v Arielle Houlihan>There is no way around it.

00:47:03.554 --> 00:47:07.425
<v Arielle Houlihan>The the teams in the regions that are or I would.

00:47:07.445 --> 00:47:09.389
<v Matt Houlihan>I would rephrase and say that they're losing.

00:47:09.711 --> 00:47:12.409
<v Arielle Houlihan>They're losing players because they are for sure losing players.

00:47:12.771 --> 00:47:25.963
<v Matt Houlihan>There's plenty of players that are willing to willing to play and compete, specifically if, when USA volleyball keeps the championship kind of in like a Like, the one thing you say volleyball does, their championship rotates locations like last year was Vegas or they did Vegas, they did.

00:47:25.963 --> 00:47:30.445
<v Matt Houlihan>They've got Texas this year right and you keep it in an area that's 18s is a Baltimore.

00:47:30.485 --> 00:47:30.967
<v Arielle Houlihan>Do you know that?

00:47:31.690 --> 00:47:31.750
<v Matt Houlihan>No.

00:47:31.972 --> 00:47:32.858
<v Arielle Houlihan>I didn't know idea.

00:47:33.202 --> 00:47:33.746
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah.

00:47:33.746 --> 00:47:45.831
<v Matt Houlihan>But yeah, if you keep it in an area or a location that's a little bit easier to get to, sure, like the West Coast or but the Infrastructure of a you girls is in Orlando and it is nice to have the infrastructure there.

00:47:46.311 --> 00:47:55.858
<v Matt Houlihan>For sure, stadium courts and the I've started to hear more grumblings this year about the Having to keep going back to Orlando than I have in the past.

00:47:55.858 --> 00:47:59.755
<v Matt Houlihan>For sure, yeah, it's just for it's.

00:47:59.755 --> 00:48:03.969
<v Matt Houlihan>It is expensive, like the flights to flights to Orlando from the West Coast.

00:48:03.969 --> 00:48:05.416
<v Matt Houlihan>Well, it is expensive.

00:48:05.436 --> 00:48:08.289
<v Chad Gordon>The problem is, you know it's July 4th and you're next to Disney and all that.

00:48:08.690 --> 00:48:18.077
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah right, I mean you're competing with a Summer holiday, right, so it's not like you, as I've always sending us to the greatest locations for the for the tournament they're, you know nobody.

00:48:18.217 --> 00:48:21.070
<v Chad Gordon>Nobody's going to Indy for the yeah, whatever's going on.

00:48:21.070 --> 00:48:24.398
<v Chad Gordon>Well, maybe there's like a Indy 500 send me, send me to.

00:48:24.398 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Chad Gordon>Austin.

00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:26.083
<v Matt Houlihan>Texas or death.

00:48:26.911 --> 00:48:28.557
<v Arielle Houlihan>Isn't big enough, send me down.

00:48:30.371 --> 00:48:34.094
<v Matt Houlihan>Send me to Dallas, yeah no, they just closed Sam bar.

00:48:34.094 --> 00:48:35.856
<v Matt Houlihan>Rip to Dallas, sam bar.

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:37.380
<v Chad Gordon>Okay, dallas is out.

00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.844
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah we're just back.

00:48:41.090 --> 00:48:42.976
<v Matt Houlihan>Send me to Vegas, let's go to Vegas.

00:48:43.077 --> 00:48:49.822
<v Chad Gordon>Vegas for championship over here, that's not a good idea, sure, but it'd be fun as a club director down for.

00:48:50.510 --> 00:48:53.567
<v Arielle Houlihan>Honestly, I'm down for the one of the LA tournaments to move to Vegas.

00:48:53.567 --> 00:48:54.230
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm okay with that.

00:48:54.230 --> 00:49:00.806
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, but the LA is not gonna be happy about that and that's not ideal for them, but I am totally in for it.

00:49:00.827 --> 00:49:02.170
<v Matt Houlihan>All right to.

00:49:02.170 --> 00:49:06.894
<v Matt Houlihan>To wrap up my thought on on this one Whoever what?

00:49:06.894 --> 00:49:10.849
<v Matt Houlihan>If you want to get boys volleyball back, it's it's communication amongst club directors.

00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:11.632
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah it's.

00:49:11.632 --> 00:49:16.943
<v Matt Houlihan>Anybody wants to get it at the same time if you're a you and you want to keep it, you keep doing that.

00:49:16.943 --> 00:49:19.557
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah right, because there's no reason for anyone to leave.

00:49:19.818 --> 00:49:36.835
<v Matt Houlihan>That's for there's no reason for anyone to leave if you continue to show that you are dedicated to listening and hearing and being Customer-centric and how you handle things should the national team, should the men's national team players be expecting checks From any of the Joes?

00:49:37.690 --> 00:49:38.675
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah six months.

00:49:39.851 --> 00:49:46.028
<v Arielle Houlihan>Not from the Joes, probably, but from I'm, from the I'm pretty sure a hand fund, absolutely.

00:49:46.228 --> 00:49:46.510
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm great.

00:49:46.510 --> 00:49:50.710
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm pretty sure that the a you made a donation to first point.

00:49:50.710 --> 00:49:53.137
<v Matt Houlihan>That was, that was a conversation.

00:49:53.137 --> 00:50:07.396
<v Matt Houlihan>So they made a donation, not of insignificant amount, to first point and there's conversation about Asking them to increase that even more With the, with the demand that has has come through.

00:50:07.677 --> 00:50:10.362
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm not even totally sold on that one, I just I like.

00:50:11.130 --> 00:50:12.456
<v Matt Houlihan>Right, you just wanted literally.

00:50:13.909 --> 00:50:17.362
<v Arielle Houlihan>Foundation that says that they're going to support whoever like.

00:50:17.362 --> 00:50:19.670
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm not even totally on board with all of that.

00:50:19.670 --> 00:50:26.278
<v Arielle Houlihan>I'm just like our men's national team is a tangible thing, like we have to support them.

00:50:26.278 --> 00:50:28.230
<v Arielle Houlihan>We have to support our Olympic team.

00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:44.625
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, our team that is going and training year-round, going and playing pro and going and dedicating their pinnacle of what our we have to support them and Whatever found like, whatever is going to support them, we have to help with that.

00:50:44.806 --> 00:50:50.467
<v Arielle Houlihan>They need cash, cash for snacks and like we yeah, we have to buy their honey singers like we have to.

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Matt Houlihan>I love honey stingers.

00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.081
<v Arielle Houlihan>We have to help them with their.

00:50:53.081 --> 00:50:55.012
<v Arielle Houlihan>Sponsor out.

00:50:55.012 --> 00:50:55.675
<v Arielle Houlihan>We need to.

00:50:55.675 --> 00:51:00.572
<v Arielle Houlihan>We need to do a better job of supporting our national team Period period.

00:51:00.773 --> 00:51:03.438
<v Matt Houlihan>End of sentence to the next part of the docket.

00:51:03.438 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Matt Houlihan>What do we have?

00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:09.108
<v Matt Houlihan>Last one is Capitol Hill recap the Capitol Hill volleyball classic I.

00:51:10.092 --> 00:51:10.492
<v Chad Gordon>Was there cap?

00:51:12.351 --> 00:51:12.672
<v Arielle Houlihan>Chad.

00:51:12.672 --> 00:51:16.264
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was not there you watched it, though you saw it online.

00:51:16.324 --> 00:51:19.835
<v Chad Gordon>I mean, I saw some of the stories, yeah okay, what was your thoughts?

00:51:19.835 --> 00:51:20.759
<v Chad Gordon>Well, you're famous.

00:51:21.873 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm Known niche, she's niche famous.

00:51:26.510 --> 00:51:29.318
<v Chad Gordon>Famous why have your own tournament if you're not gonna be famous at it?

00:51:29.318 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Chad Gordon>Just lean into it.

00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:30.782
<v Arielle Houlihan>What are you doing?

00:51:30.782 --> 00:51:31.411
<v Arielle Houlihan>I totally agree.

00:51:31.411 --> 00:51:31.954
<v Arielle Houlihan>Who are you?

00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:40.030
<v Matt Houlihan>There's someone on someone in one of Ariel's Instagram's that was like my friend, my friend owns Capitol Hill.

00:51:40.030 --> 00:51:45.083
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna text them and then send them this to like, try and get her in trouble.

00:51:45.951 --> 00:51:51.081
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yes, like my friend owns this tournament, like I'm gonna send this to them and I was like what?

00:51:51.382 --> 00:51:51.663
<v Chad Gordon>do it.

00:51:51.951 --> 00:51:52.791
<v Arielle Houlihan>Who's your friend?

00:51:52.791 --> 00:51:54.396
<v Arielle Houlihan>Tell me about your friend.

00:51:54.416 --> 00:51:57.682
<v Chad Gordon>I yes, yeah, yeah, I would love to hear who are you talking?

00:51:57.682 --> 00:51:59.635
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, I love feedback.

00:51:59.635 --> 00:52:01.340
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, about myself.

00:52:02.552 --> 00:52:03.356
<v Arielle Houlihan>What was your thoughts on?

00:52:03.356 --> 00:52:07.697
<v Arielle Houlihan>You're outside perspective other than I'm famous.

00:52:08.260 --> 00:52:09.902
<v Chad Gordon>I'm a big fan of the other running presidents.

00:52:10.231 --> 00:52:10.771
<v Arielle Houlihan>Oh me too.

00:52:10.791 --> 00:52:11.293
<v Chad Gordon>Those are, I mean.

00:52:11.293 --> 00:52:12.394
<v Chad Gordon>Those make for great content.

00:52:12.414 --> 00:52:16.302
<v Arielle Houlihan>Okay, so here's the the inside look on the racing presidents.

00:52:16.349 --> 00:52:17.793
<v Chad Gordon>They're called the racing presidents.

00:52:18.496 --> 00:52:19.137
<v Arielle Houlihan>They come every year.

00:52:19.137 --> 00:52:23.197
<v Arielle Houlihan>They've been here to the event for over a decade, over a decade.

00:52:23.197 --> 00:52:40.061
<v Arielle Houlihan>They there's like a huge tryout every year as it has there should be, and there's like a hundred or two hundred people to try out for it and the heads way between 80 and 100 pounds, depending on which one is a lot, a lot of core strength required for this.

00:52:40.311 --> 00:52:43.226
<v Chad Gordon>I mean, they're very heavy and they are like they're there.

00:52:43.567 --> 00:52:44.090
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's a workout.

00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:46.297
<v Chad Gordon>I feel like if you let's also like too far is gonna be a problem.

00:52:46.336 --> 00:52:51.809
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's like hot, it's like a sauna in there, it's hot and it's not bunny suit hot, but it's like it's warm.

00:52:51.809 --> 00:53:06.335
<v Arielle Houlihan>They I could be a handler for the after the amount of times that I've like done this with them, that I was like telling them when to duck and telling them one like the whole thing, and the guy that was their handler was new and he was like you could do, totally do this.

00:53:06.335 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like I know I've done this probably more times than you have by now, but the guys that do it, they like can't, you can't see who's in it.

00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:20.210
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like it's very under, it's like the, the leprechaun guy at Notre Dame.

00:53:20.210 --> 00:53:26.750
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like you're not supposed to like know who he is, or something crazy or they're gonna go like guy, like in the goofy suit at Disney.

00:53:28.775 --> 00:53:32.525
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, but you have to like stay in you guys, thank you, yeah, very, very.

00:53:32.565 --> 00:53:33.909
<v Matt Houlihan>You don't take your head off on court 17 totally.

00:53:33.909 --> 00:53:36.469
<v Matt Houlihan>Um, it's unprofessional.

00:53:37.594 --> 00:53:50.568
<v Arielle Houlihan>But they love our event because we let them do whatever they want and we like run around and like let them go on the court and like go up and hit a ball or something ever and they do these appearances that are like Literally standing for three hours taking pictures of people and they don't move at all.

00:53:50.568 --> 00:53:50.829
<v Arielle Houlihan>That's tough.

00:53:50.829 --> 00:54:03.862
<v Arielle Houlihan>They're like we hate it, but, like your event, we get to like run around and like be chaotic and like go and like mess with people because I literally am like Do whatever you want.

00:54:03.961 --> 00:54:05.166
<v Arielle Houlihan>Some of the referees get very upset.

00:54:05.166 --> 00:54:08.382
<v Arielle Houlihan>Deal with it Like very, very upset.

00:54:08.382 --> 00:54:10.070
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like I got reprimanded a couple times a couple years.

00:54:10.070 --> 00:54:12.541
<v Arielle Houlihan>You need to let us know when you're gonna do that because nobody don't.

00:54:12.561 --> 00:54:12.762
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm like.

00:54:12.762 --> 00:54:17.581
<v Matt Houlihan>But I don't but, but do we they're?

00:54:17.601 --> 00:54:25.746
<v Chad Gordon>they're 10 feet tall gigantic heads, like you'll see them coming, you know you know they're gonna do there for 30 seconds hey look the Capitol Hill classic.

00:54:25.746 --> 00:54:35.108
<v Chad Gordon>Everybody will be fine if one of the Racing presidency never ruins your game, will give you an extra 50% Totally, it's totally fine, you should hope that they come by, because they like you're just gonna have to sit there for a couple.

00:54:35.108 --> 00:54:37.757
<v Chad Gordon>Fortunately we took.

00:54:37.797 --> 00:54:44.690
<v Arielle Houlihan>We did like a bunch of like stinty stuff at a referee guy that was like here you can have my whistle and like he was very nice, so like it was all good.

00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:58.389
<v Arielle Houlihan>You gotta, you gotta kind of size up the right referee for that Totally Shocker of the weekend for me I had a lot of shockers of the weekend, but big shocker of the weekend was like some of the refs like really like me.

00:54:58.389 --> 00:55:04.282
<v Arielle Houlihan>That's like a big Change in my life.

00:55:04.302 --> 00:55:04.985
<v Chad Gordon>I mean it just in that bell curve.

00:55:04.985 --> 00:55:07.677
<v Chad Gordon>They're gonna be people on both ends, yeah.

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.389
<v Arielle Houlihan>I mean referees, though I thought it was like a whole collective.

00:55:14.402 --> 00:55:14.565
<v Chad Gordon>Oh.

00:55:15.411 --> 00:55:22.150
<v Arielle Houlihan>No, they like oh, the head referee would stutter like wanted to take a photo with me and it was like a whole thing.

00:55:22.150 --> 00:55:23.878
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like wait, what yeah?

00:55:24.019 --> 00:55:25.005
<v Matt Houlihan>but Rebecca's like family.

00:55:25.045 --> 00:55:33.043
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, rebecca's great, but like, but like there was like they all thought it was like hilarious, because I'm not fighting about wrong things.

00:55:33.043 --> 00:55:41.849
<v Arielle Houlihan>I Did pitch to my mom and my brother about the stay off the sport court thing, and I got the exact response that I thought I was gonna get.

00:55:41.969 --> 00:55:43.235
<v Chad Gordon>I'm like from each of them.

00:55:43.356 --> 00:55:50.282
<v Arielle Houlihan>I agree with you, but like we have so many other things that we're dealing with right now, we're not gonna, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I got it, okay, whatever.

00:55:50.322 --> 00:55:51.043
<v Chad Gordon>All right, so next year.

00:55:51.525 --> 00:55:52.224
<v Arielle Houlihan>So maybe next year.

00:55:52.806 --> 00:55:56.076
<v Chad Gordon>I heard you had a famous Plain flight on your way out.

00:55:56.438 --> 00:55:59.528
<v Arielle Houlihan>Oh, I sat next to Nancy Pelosi on the flight out as one does.

00:55:59.750 --> 00:56:03.257
<v Chad Gordon>Yeah, you guys talking video or what Totally wild Like great.

00:56:03.456 --> 00:56:06.583
<v Arielle Houlihan>Great, we talked about we talked about the Super Bowl.

00:56:07.490 --> 00:56:07.811
<v Chad Gordon>Okay.

00:56:08.875 --> 00:56:19.974
<v Arielle Houlihan>I got on the plane like commotion going on, and then Looked over, she's wearing this like bright pink blazer and I'm like, oh, why is Nancy Pelosi on the flight?

00:56:19.974 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Arielle Houlihan>Looked over and then what's the other lady?

00:56:24.052 --> 00:56:27.869
<v Matt Houlihan>She's like running for Congress or something all the liberals were on my flight.

00:56:28.010 --> 00:56:29.833
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like, oh my goodness, like what's going on?

00:56:29.833 --> 00:56:33.021
<v Arielle Houlihan>Secret Service guy with a full gun, like the whole thing.

00:56:33.021 --> 00:56:37.039
<v Arielle Houlihan>And I'm like I was like how in the world did they let me sit next to these people?

00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.503
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like this is wild.

00:56:38.503 --> 00:56:46.882
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then there I will say the one story that I have, like that was very funny that we can talk about when we were about to take off.

00:56:46.882 --> 00:56:51.782
<v Arielle Houlihan>There's like a phone playing like on full volume.

00:56:51.782 --> 00:56:55.750
<v Arielle Houlihan>You know how like that happens on planes where, like some kid is like on his iPad.

00:56:55.829 --> 00:56:57.012
<v Chad Gordon>I thought you were like some older people.

00:56:57.012 --> 00:57:05.961
<v Chad Gordon>Like you know, they're watching some video that their grandson sent them or something like that, pretty much so announcement comes on like please put your headphones on if you're gonna be watching a video.

00:57:06.744 --> 00:57:08.894
<v Arielle Houlihan>And Then it didn't stop.

00:57:08.894 --> 00:57:10.099
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then she came.

00:57:10.099 --> 00:57:14.617
<v Arielle Houlihan>The flight attendant came out to walk and looks over and it's Nancy Pelosi and she's playing her.

00:57:14.617 --> 00:57:16.690
<v Arielle Houlihan>It's her phone playing on full volume.

00:57:16.690 --> 00:57:20.568
<v Arielle Houlihan>She's like ma'am, you have to put like, you can't have that on full volume.

00:57:20.588 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Matt Houlihan>She's like oh Okay, I was like wait, I'm not on a private plane right now.

00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.661
<v Matt Houlihan>Nancy.

00:57:26.882 --> 00:57:27.423
<v Chad Gordon>Pelosi.

00:57:28.731 --> 00:57:50.195
<v Arielle Houlihan>Matt, do you have your own thoughts on the Capitol Hill volleyball classic in Washington DC presented by New Balance and Washington and baller and molten and Ultra ankle and Joe and Joe and Joe unconventional diner and.

00:57:52.150 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Matt Houlihan>Make you fulfill all your sponsor obligations.

00:57:55.431 --> 00:57:56.994
<v Arielle Houlihan>Repeat in my head my thoughts.

00:57:57.817 --> 00:58:01.115
<v Matt Houlihan>I had fun because I brought the girls, so it was Saturday.

00:58:01.115 --> 00:58:02.764
<v Matt Houlihan>It was fun to try.

00:58:02.764 --> 00:58:04.090
<v Matt Houlihan>I traveled with the girls solo.

00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:10.269
<v Matt Houlihan>It's the first time one of us has traveled solo with both girls like flight across the country.

00:58:10.471 --> 00:58:11.175
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, they're there.

00:58:11.175 --> 00:58:13.929
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, they're good, they're just not on what, they're, just good travelers.

00:58:14.411 --> 00:58:25.507
<v Matt Houlihan>We get to the get to the tournament and then it's just, it's a, it's run by the Goldbergs, so it's run by Bonnie and Mitch and you, and so it's cool for them to see.

00:58:25.507 --> 00:58:35.907
<v Matt Houlihan>So I thought it was important for them to number one to be there in the first year of Barry not being there and getting to see you guys kind of run the show.

00:58:35.907 --> 00:58:41.407
<v Matt Houlihan>And then just I mean, you were a circus, like it was a circus.

00:58:41.447 --> 00:58:43.896
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, it was a circus of you being there.

00:58:43.896 --> 00:58:48.784
<v Arielle Houlihan>Imagine the Cacker party for three days, except double it, triple it, quadruple it.

00:58:49.608 --> 00:58:50.731
<v Chad Gordon>Of people coming up to you crying.

00:58:51.976 --> 00:59:05.867
<v Arielle Houlihan>Pretty much it knows, yeah, a lot of people just coming up and saying and did people saying hi, I mean yeah, like I don't know, I don't, I didn't see any tears, but I saw a lot of people who were just genuinely excited to see it.

00:59:05.867 --> 00:59:08.635
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like, kind of like half watery eyes.

00:59:08.635 --> 00:59:13.652
<v Arielle Houlihan>Sure, like and walking away, being like it was, it was insanity.

00:59:13.652 --> 00:59:22.106
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like I seriously put the over under on one and a half that morning, being like maybe somebody will come up and take a picture.

00:59:22.206 --> 00:59:23.449
<v Chad Gordon>One and a half dozen.

00:59:24.090 --> 00:59:25.434
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like it doesn't.

00:59:25.434 --> 00:59:27.385
<v Arielle Houlihan>I took over a thousand photos of people.

00:59:27.385 --> 00:59:29.710
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was, I'm telling you.

00:59:29.710 --> 00:59:34.818
<v Arielle Houlihan>It felt like I was in a simulation.

00:59:34.818 --> 00:59:37.050
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was like what is happening?

00:59:37.050 --> 00:59:42.186
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was, it was some weird stuff, people coming up being like okay.

00:59:42.186 --> 00:59:46.396
<v Arielle Houlihan>So we think your team is really cute and like I'm like wait what?

00:59:46.396 --> 00:59:54.224
<v Arielle Houlihan>And they're like okay, well, if you could give Peter my phone number, if you could give Zach my phone number, if you could naming kids on my team by name.

00:59:54.244 --> 00:59:54.967
<v Chad Gordon>That's really specific.

00:59:55.007 --> 00:59:56.835
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was so specific.

00:59:56.996 --> 01:00:01.293
<v Matt Houlihan>Your team's got to be so juiced on that it was it was out of control.

01:00:01.474 --> 01:00:07.074
<v Chad Gordon>You should only show them like people, like naming Peter and Zach, and just be like yeah, max, no one asked about you.

01:00:07.074 --> 01:00:07.976
<v Chad Gordon>It's so weird.

01:00:07.976 --> 01:00:09.041
<v Chad Gordon>Our group chat was so funny.

01:00:10.465 --> 01:00:13.311
<v Arielle Houlihan>They were all were like coach, I have an Instagram Like.

01:00:13.311 --> 01:00:17.751
<v Arielle Houlihan>Why don't you let them know that I dropped my ad?

01:00:17.751 --> 01:00:18.251
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like whatever.

01:00:18.251 --> 01:00:22.527
<v Arielle Houlihan>Max sent the group text his phone number just written out.

01:00:22.527 --> 01:00:24.695
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like Max, we have your phone number this year.

01:00:24.695 --> 01:00:32.990
<v Arielle Houlihan>Yeah, I just wanted to make it real clear that I have a phone number Like it was when you just replied and nobody's asking about you.

01:00:33.090 --> 01:00:33.974
<v Arielle Houlihan>So funny.

01:00:33.974 --> 01:00:40.012
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like yeah, I was actually blown away by the whole weekend.

01:00:40.012 --> 01:00:47.014
<v Arielle Houlihan>Riley said to me she was like people are asking to take pictures with mommy.

01:00:47.014 --> 01:00:50.432
<v Arielle Houlihan>And I was like yeah, why do you think they're asking me to take pictures?

01:00:50.432 --> 01:00:52.264
<v Arielle Houlihan>And she was like because you're a really good coach.

01:00:52.264 --> 01:00:58.447
<v Arielle Houlihan>And I was like that is really cool, like that's a really cool thing for my kid to say to me.

01:00:58.447 --> 01:01:00.952
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then she was like goodbye.

01:01:00.952 --> 01:01:03.947
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then like ran off and tweaked out or something like crazy.

01:01:04.027 --> 01:01:05.751
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, where's Ali?

01:01:05.751 --> 01:01:07.655
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, yeah, it was really yeah.

01:01:07.655 --> 01:01:08.637
<v Matt Houlihan>This is wild.

01:01:08.637 --> 01:01:10.728
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, I mean, for me it was.

01:01:10.728 --> 01:01:13.213
<v Matt Houlihan>I thoroughly enjoyed that.

01:01:13.213 --> 01:01:23.619
<v Matt Houlihan>I liked watching you because you're just in your element and you know, sometimes you watch someone when they're like, oh, like you're in a, like a float, like you were cooking.

01:01:23.619 --> 01:01:24.726
<v Matt Houlihan>You were just in a float state.

01:01:24.726 --> 01:01:25.989
<v Matt Houlihan>You were often doing your thing.

01:01:25.989 --> 01:01:27.793
<v Matt Houlihan>It was fun, really fun to see.

01:01:28.094 --> 01:01:43.193
<v Arielle Houlihan>I have learned that I can just talk to myself with if I have a camera on me, like 20 feet away, like I just feel like it's my own head, that is like living over there, that I could just get to talk to and like I I could do it all day long.

01:01:43.193 --> 01:01:46.286
<v Arielle Houlihan>Well, I don't know, it's a weird, it's a strange thing.

01:01:46.586 --> 01:02:00.826
<v Matt Houlihan>Just the fact that it was the capital classic, right it's home so you have this, like that location is just so natural for you and you have been doing that for years.

01:02:00.826 --> 01:02:09.052
<v Matt Houlihan>So, it's like literally everything that you did that weekend was what you had done for yeah it just was.

01:02:09.313 --> 01:02:10.255
<v Arielle Houlihan>I was just.

01:02:10.255 --> 01:02:13.842
<v Arielle Houlihan>I couldn't go anywhere without people.

01:02:14.103 --> 01:02:15.590
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah but that's like crazy.

01:02:15.590 --> 01:02:19.025
<v Matt Houlihan>It's the literal target market of the people that you're trying to reach.

01:02:19.025 --> 01:02:21.675
<v Matt Houlihan>It's I mean I didn't realize.

01:02:21.936 --> 01:02:32.581
<v Arielle Houlihan>I will say I had a conversation with somebody earlier today of like I did not realize what my platform was until like recently.

01:02:33.262 --> 01:03:02.318
<v Arielle Houlihan>Of like there's a lot of like feminism and empowerment stuff that like I never intended on setting out to like preach about, and it's just what I embody, I guess, and it's a it was a very, very cool thing for me to have little kids coming up to me being like I want to be a coach when I grow up, like nothing that I ever thought was something in my wheelhouse of of doing, and it was a very, very.

01:03:02.318 --> 01:03:27.347
<v Arielle Houlihan>There was a couple of conversations that I had with people that were super special, that were like, oh, I didn't have this when I was growing up, I didn't have somebody that I looked to and was like, oh, I want to be a coach exactly like you when I grew up, like that just wasn't a thing, and so for that to be something that I'm like kind of stepping into is a super strange but like very cool thing, like exactly the space that I want to be in.

01:03:27.347 --> 01:03:30.452
<v Arielle Houlihan>So it was a special event.

01:03:31.793 --> 01:03:55.043
<v Arielle Houlihan>Then like stayed up till like I slept, no like did not sleep the night before the event started I slept for 45 minutes and then had to leave that night because I, if I did not sleep, I was legitimately going to have an aneurysm, and then slept, slept that night and was fine.

01:03:55.043 --> 01:04:03.402
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then the next night so the night before the last day I got back to the room at like 1230.

01:04:03.402 --> 01:04:30.782
<v Arielle Houlihan>And because I had stayed with my brother, because my mom had gone back to me and Mitch stayed really late until all the teams were finished, got back to their like 1230, stayed up till two writing the writing the dialogue for the video that I had just come up with next morning for the next morning and then decided oh, this needs to be filmed when all the courts are not being played on, which means we need to be there at 530 the next morning.

01:04:30.842 --> 01:04:36.235
<v Arielle Houlihan>So texted Kylan and was like I'm so sorry, but we're going to need to be there in a couple hours.

01:04:36.235 --> 01:04:42.900
<v Arielle Houlihan>And she woke up at 515 and was downstairs meeting me at 530.

01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:44.224
<v Arielle Houlihan>And we went and filmed it.

01:04:44.224 --> 01:04:50.016
<v Arielle Houlihan>Within like 20 minutes before people were coming in the doors went up and started editing.

01:04:50.016 --> 01:04:52.498
<v Arielle Houlihan>And then it that whole video.

01:04:52.498 --> 01:05:04.195
<v Arielle Houlihan>Like the process of making that video was like I don't think I've ever cried so much like through a process of making a video, which was definitely shown on the video, but like I don't know.

01:05:04.195 --> 01:05:07.927
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was just like a really cool experience to be able to like go through.

01:05:07.927 --> 01:05:14.606
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was the right thing to do and it was definitely very well received by a lot of people.

01:05:14.726 --> 01:05:17.313
<v Arielle Houlihan>So it was a it was a special thing for my family.

01:05:20.128 --> 01:05:21.112
<v Matt Houlihan>Yeah, it was a special weekend.

01:05:21.172 --> 01:05:24.521
<v Arielle Houlihan>It was a very special weekend, glad, glad it's over.

01:05:25.905 --> 01:05:28.411
<v Matt Houlihan>Very glad it's over, but it's not a relaxing weekend.

01:05:28.411 --> 01:05:31.246
<v Matt Houlihan>It's not a relaxing weekend but it is fulfilling for sure.

01:05:31.867 --> 01:05:38.927
<v Chad Gordon>I looked over and I was like I didn't push play again 30% chance he didn't record this.

01:05:38.927 --> 01:05:40.650
<v Chad Gordon>Thank God, we other.

01:05:40.751 --> 01:05:46.130
<v Matt Houlihan>We have the other, the back half of that scares, the found episode scares the living day.

01:05:46.130 --> 01:05:47.315
<v Matt Houlihan>Let's add a man on that note.

01:05:47.315 --> 01:05:49.945
<v Matt Houlihan>I'm clicking, and right now under the team.

01:05:50.945 --> 01:05:51.347
<v Arielle Houlihan>Goodbye.