What Women Want with Laci Mosley

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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Lofton, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. That's right, and how movies usually do a bad job. Yeah, we use the I don't I need to like wake up? This is earlier than we usually record. It's ten. I am, yeah, I do. I will say the fury of this movie does kind of drive me, and how today I will go, I just used to wake myself up into it. So we use the Bechdel test, uh media metric created by Alison Bechdel that we use as a starting off point. But there's a lot more to talk about than the Bechdel Test alone. Indeed, and of course the Becktel test, if you're not familiar, requires the at a piece of media. A movie, let's say, has two female identifying characters who are named. They must speak to each other, and their conversation cannot be about men who informed by an impending reboot. I haven't seen any of the reviews of the impending reboot. I have not seen reviews. I have seen the trailer several times. I have too. Yeah, which I don't think it looks good, but I think it has been at least given a little bit more thought in terms of basically everything than this movie what women want. I hope it's good. Yeah, I hope it's good. I will probably see it. I just I'm a Taragi p Henson stand so usually go. I don't know. I'm just like, I don't think a reboot of a rom com is strange to me? Right, and this, I mean, okay, well, we'll get into it. There's there's too much. In fact, I feel like this movie took me like five hours to watch because I kept having to pause and like take notes and be like what did he just say? Like what it was? It was exhausting, went into a blind furious this type. Well, well, before we jump in, let's introduce our guest. She is an actress. She is a comedian. You remember her from our Ten Things I Hate About You episode. It's Lacey Mosley. Hey back so good that was fun. I had a good time of here yelling about that movie. Fun. Yeah, yelling. I mean it keeps it keeps my blood pressure where it needs to be, rightly up, almost bursting out of my skin. I can feel the blood moving through my veins. Yeah, I feel that, right, that's normal. It's good to remember. It's good to remember that. Uh yeah, so what women want? It's a two thousand movie. It was a hit, big hit, seventy million dollar budget, which is like, what for for? Who? Why are you that much? I think to make mel Gibson dance for that long? That was talking about one of the more upsetting things of it. But it made almost four million dollars. Oh my god, people domestically or like internationally, I'm wikipedialy, so it's probably total everywhere, just cleaning up. I mean, this is kind of like maybe on the later end of peak Mel Gibson, like when people would go to see a movie. It feels crazy now, but just because he was in it, people would be like the thing, Okay, the first thing that drives me crazy is this was directed by a woman, Nancy Myers, who hasn't who's all over the place. Yes, we've covered several of her movies that she's directed, including The Parent Trap, The Lindsay Lion one, and The Holiday and the Intern, which is one of my favorite bad movies. Oh yeah, that's a good one. What if old people wanted to work? And like Robert de Niro's The Underdog movie, I was like, Okay, I guess yeah, let's see Anne Hathaway's the villain. Like it's just Oh, I love it. She's also made some some stinkies. She's made a Father of the Bride Part one and two. I haven't seen that. Haven't seen. It's complicated. Oh it's complicated, was true? I like it complicate. Marilyn a movie. I'm like, sign fash that ship was bad, But I said, I didn't see it. It's complicated. I kind of did funk with it. I think I I like more Nancy Myers movies than I dislike, even The Holiday, as stupid as it is. Like rich white lady fantasy, one day when I become a rich white lady, I too would share my house and have an eventure. Yes, they don't even have an adventure though that at the other people's houses. The whole time. They don't even go outside for me, that's an eventure. It's pre AIRB and B. It was a simpler time. Just being in someone else's house was why we're like, whoa this is? And then and then Jack Black. My favorite part of that movie is the movie does not consider Jack Black hot enough to kiss. Well. Jude Law is shown actively fucking the whole movie. Jack Black gets a little peck on the cheek at like the last second, and they're like, that's all you get, normal looking person. Anyways, I I now that I'm looking at her, I mean I I She's definitely got some problematic faves, but in general, this I would say is my least favorite movie of hers. Yeah. Yeah, What Women Want is a movie that I hate. So um it was a fun to hate watch. There's a version of this that I could imagine, like making a drinking game and getting very fucked, like just drink every time you're upset, and then you die in alcohol Police. Yeah. It's crazy how frustrated this movie is so quickly. I've never seen an opening montage just goes. It's like, whatever this is leading up to it was not worth it at all. So Lacy, what's your history with this movie? When did you first see it, you know. So I saw this movie when it came out of two thousand. Remember I remember seeing this movie I'm Gonna put an age on myself. I was nine, and I liked this movie because I was a problematic child. I mean I had to go back and look at my tweets from even college and I was like, who is this bit ruined my life? I deleted man ship, I paid for one of those services and wiped all my ship clean. I said, I don't know that bitch. I ain't never knew her, and nobody can prove that I did. Everyone has to wipe who they were pres before I talked to other people. Lord Jesus, But I remember enjoying this movie. I remember kicking to this movie like, oh this is funny, yes, mal um my god the time of my life where I said yes, mal oh child. But so I remember enjoying it. I remember being like, oh, I loved drom comms and I've always loved comedy obviously, So I remember being like, oh, this movie is killing me. Look he now he sympathized with the women because he heard their thoughts. Oh lord no, so yeah, that has has me problematic. Lacy, Hey, we were all there, all there, fully there, Jamie, what about you? Uh? This was my mom's favorite movie, of mom's favorite movies, that makes sense. My my friend was saying the same thing. He's like every mom in Wisconsin fucking squirts for this movie, like they're my mom had this on VHS. I remember, I like, I don't think I saw it. I've seen it in like bits and pieces on TV over the years. I think this was the first time I've seen it all the way through. But I knew this story because my mom would. My mom would use this movie and Click as like ways to impart life lessons to me, where with Click she'd always be like, you know, you really can't go back. She's just a demented woman. She's just you know, you can't go back. Really, there's no rewind button. I wish I had a click. But but what women want was like when she it was so funny, she was like, I mean she might still be struggling through, uh the whole because she loved mel Gibson and h had has had a lot to work through. But yeah, my experience was I'm pretty sure I saw like chunks of it on like TNT over the course of years, but this is my first time all the way through, and it was a journey, right, It's a journey I'll never forget. And I hate to say it, but it like it has like the pacing and the parts of all Nancy Myers movies that I do like. So it was weird to see a movie that was like paced and looked and sort of sounded like a movie that I have liked but have everything filled in with horrible bullshit. See. I think the pacing is one of this movie's worst things. And there's a lot wrong with it because first of all, it's two out over two hours, which is way too long for rom com Yeah, and it like it just feels like it takes a really long time for the romantic story to get going, and then in the last two seconds yet to be like Judy Greer, don't yeah, there's always and that it was still funny. We'll get to that. That was like, it's interesting. I think if I enjoyed mel Gibson, like if I thought he was like a Zaddie or something, but I would understand the pacing more because I'd be like, oh, they'd be like, you know, I'm watching this movie because I have a hard on for Mel Gibson, so, you know, having dancing ship and as he's not he's not charming like an uncle in this movie. He was quite I remember how old he was. I remember thinking he looked young in the movie. I don't know, I think that I'm like two. I guess it was a long fucking time ago. But people were like, yeah, I would I want this scene to go on longer. Why is that dancing seems so long? I don't even know. It felt like like they took his resume and was like, well, what has he not done in the movie yet, Let's do his ex Let's do to accent, you know what he's talking about the TV Let's do it shot. Let's just do a Sean Connery. And they all saw they were just picking off the resume. Let's do to dance thing, Let's go to dancing n and yes, not in the script. And then he turns on bitch and then he takes his shirt off, and like, this is not what bitch should be playing during is a shirtless Mel Gibson. That's the opposite of what that song stands for. I God, I did love to I mean, although I do love to see Mel Gibs and get electrocuted. That was fun. That was tight. Oh yeah, because he's trying to electrocute himself. And then at the and he accidentally gets electrocuted. Before going to a doctor, He's like, let me just get drunk and electric a second time, which could have cut the movie short, especially with the amount of electrocution. They showed like they zoomed out from the building and it was like an explosion. He was hit by lightning. Know where he could? Yeah, he wakes up on his couch. My history with the movie is I don't think I saw it the whole way through either until just watching it to prep for the episode. But I thought that I had, And I think it's just because I've seen the trailer for this movie a million times. Like I remember seeing the trailer when the movie was coming out, and then I just that made me think that I had seen it or I knew the premise and not, so I think maybe I've seen parts of it. In any case, there was so much that I didn't remember or didn't know about, and I am furious about it. But shall we get into the recap? I guess. So there's so many subplots to tackle I feel like this movie needs two subplots. Gone, Yes, there's so many there's so many women in his life. So suddenly the Judy Grew storyline like makes mental illness is what it isn't in every single way, but to the point where it did make me laugh where she just want I just was somewhere like I wish he'd killed me. It was like, so, whoever wrote this has never been depressed the day in their fucking life. That's not what It's crazy. He almost killed me and I loved them like she wanted to kill herself because she didn't get a promotion, or like that's just not enough. The way suicidality is handled is it's just completely wrong, to the point where I'm like, all right, I'm down to laugh. This is the thing that's never happened before. Right, Maybe that's what they were going for. I don't know. I hope so, because they're like, this is a way to treat suicide and not have it be in the realm of reality, because if it was to fit the tone of the movie, which just to me is like, then just don't have it. I haven't get rid of it. But also I love that he doesn't notice that she's suicidal to the end, but he does notice that she's funny. He says like, he's like, oh, you know what, we should have her as a copywriter. She's very funny. Every time I bump into her, she's like, well, she would have murdered me. He does notice, but he totally brushes it off. He's like, she's funny. Suicidal, but funny, and that's what matters. And then he finds and then he's like, she's not here. Oh no, she meant all those suicidal thoughts she was having better go to her apartment. So she does anyway, didn't he like, doesn't he find her suicide note? And then but then she's there and they're like, she's like, what are you doing here? I'm like, well, he's holding your suicide note. So this has to be a conversation or just tell him to leave. But he's like, ha ha, you are funny. Do you want to be promoted? And then she's like, oh, y, he would fixed my suicide. I don't care. Before he fixed our suicide. He has a whole moment to himself about his own ship, like he's like, comes in, it's like this, don't kill yourself then she's like, oh, why are you here. Then he's like, I can't hear your thoughts. Say some thoughts. I'm saying thoughts. Let me think about me. It turns around to himself about his own life, and then it's like, right, right, right right, don't kill yourself much. He goes back to it, Oh, there's something more urgent here. Ah, you what it's. He takes a break from stopping this woman's suicide to be like, oh my god. The third act of the movie, it's still happening. There's a lot of moments in this movie where mel Gibson is really like mugging to nobody that's like one of them. There's the moment he's in the department store and he's hearing thoughts. He's like, it's like you look completely like out of your mind. And then later when he's like, oh, this thing that I have is actually a gift, and he's like running down the street and like getting close to women to like hear their thoughts, and he's like he immediately starts abusing it, but with the permission of a woman. So we're supposed to think that's okay, because it's like, oh, Bette Midler's old trifle mask I used to love bet Miler came out, Oh, Chad, but back when I used to love So she just comes out as like, mal, you have a gift, go use that ship. Everybody comes back never never. She's not even credited in the movie, which is why she doesn't appear in the credits. That's very funny. When she saw that, she was like, I don't know. She's like, never mind, take me out. Actually I don't know, but you're in question. I used to love you, man, I had your album anyway another time. So the story, I'll get through this as quickly as possible because there's so much to talk about. But okay, So we meet Nick Marshall played by Mel Gibson. He is a player. He's a manipulator of women. He has an ex wife who feels that he never understood her. He has a fifteen year old daughter named Alex who he's never really connected with. There's this woman named Lola who works at a coffee shop that he keeps trying to ask out. We see him at work. He's up for a big promotion as a creative director at the ad agency where he works, but he doesn't get it because Darcy McGuire Helen Hunt's character is hired instead, and Nick knows of this person and thinks that she is a bitch on wheels quote from the movie It's ridiculous. Yeah, she is hired over him because his boss played by Alan Alda, is like, we need it's a woman's world out there, you know, the how how could he? How could? He's like, younger women are buying stuff, so we like need to cater to that demographic. So that's why he hires Darcy and she comes in. She's like, hey, let's figure out how to advertise this box of products to women, expensive box of products that everyone gets. And Nick is all like, what a fucking bitch she is for like doing her job. The like the low key framing of like yeah, like the whole point of this movie is to sell products to women that are too expensive that they don't need. So it's a real capitalist love story where you're entering yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then there's a five minute scene of him dancing to Frank sinatra Um, which does not need to be in the movie. I guess it's trying to endear us to him, because otherwise he's so irredeemable. But anyway, he's getting more and more naked, and you're just like, oh no. And so as he's trying these different products and he's struggling with him because he doesn't understand women. Um, and he's talking to himself way too much. He like accidentally, like prat Fall style, electrocutes himself with a hair dryer in a bathtub. That's fun. He's also listening to Bitch. He's listening woman. Yeah, Atlantis Morrisett. No, I always think always it's someone else who is not Atlantis Morsett, but I always think it's Alanis mor Set. Yeah, just because it's got bitch in the title. Sounds like a nineties attus. Meredith Brooks. Yes, that's the one. I don't did she make any other song. I think she's had a few other hits. Maybe I don't know that's her. That's her song. Hard to say Sorry, I'll to all you, Meredith Brooks. Fans out there are screaming heads are gonna come for us with Mary be My mentions are demolished, so our apologies. But anyway, so when he wakes up, he discovers that he can hear women's thoughts. Is it because you got electrocuted by an enchanted women's hair product, I thought, because he had on all the ladies, all the ladies on the nail polish, and he had on the leg although and I did not like that his nails were perfectly painted. I was like, well, how to fund he pay his nails so well? And he got a top coat on. Get the funk out here? Really, no damn top coat? Now do that out of here? Yeah. Um. So then he's like, oh my god, I'm going crazy. Why can I hear these women's thoughts? And there's like this pitch meeting that he performs badly because he learns that a bunch of women think that he is a jerk, and he is genuinely shocked. He's like what I was starting to think, nobody likes. But also when he can first hear that though there's I mean, we can break these down to detail later. But the way that the thoughts were kind of depends on what the scene is, because at first he's walking down the street and women are thinking about the most stereotypical women thinking like estrogen and other women's like child rearing. Well, the next one's like calories that I do the right thing in the kitchen, I don't know. But then but then when he gets the office, then it gets like more critical of him. But if first ever women are only ever thinking about him for a few exceptions, yeah, the thought the thoughts were first you, like you said, all women's thoughts like oh my push china, oh nips and lady bits and men maybe, And then it turns it's just everything is about him, and every woman in his life completely thinks and works for him, even in their own brains. They're not free of being obsessed with him. With mel Gibbs, yeah, okay. So then meanwhile, his daughter Alex is staying with him. She's got a boyfriend who uh, he doesn't like. She and her dad are not getting along. And then he can hear his daughter's thoughts too, and he's all like, oh no, how dare my daughter have any sexual feelings? And then he tries to reverse what has happened by re electrocuting himself, but it does not work. He just gets electrocuted. He just gets electrocuted but survives and he's fine. So he goes to his former marriage counselor played by Bette Midler, and she's like Wow, this is actually a gift. This is a good thing for you. You have to learn from this and if you know what women want, then you can rule, she says, and he's like like why who are And then there's also like supposed to be the justification for him being a complete piece of ship with this new gift, but it's like a woman told him to you all ask for it? Yeah, Yeah, this movie finds so many ways to blame what's happening on women. It's like he was raised by a bunch of floozies, old times holes, and they taught him to be this misogynistic and they said, touch my ask because I'm a floosi hole in vegues, Like what did the very forgetting his ex wife absolves him of everything? It's not like and which also like if you think about it for two seconds, makes no sense of like, oh, he was raised by a single mother who is like working in Vegas, but he hates women, like it just doesn't. I think they were trying to say that because he was raised by what is deemed to be not respectable, you know, women who obviously don't have any self esteem because there flos then obviously how could he respect woman because he's never known a woman who respected herself. Exhausted directed by a woman, this movie and co written by a woman, and I know it's shame on everyone involved in this movie has like very little respect for any like woman who isn't like white and working in an office. Because even at the end in that scene with his daughter where the daughter was like, and then he gives us what with a tongue ring, and then he was like, I can't believe he kissed us with a tongue ring. Just to say that again, They're like, no, we have to also let mel Gibson happy. He's a feminist icon and people want to hear it. Oh sorry, So he uses what now He also believes to be this gift to take out Lola or to ask her out, and he's like, don't worry, I won't hurt you. He's reading all our thoughts. She's manipulating her goodness um, and she really likes him. So he's like basically taking advantage of the situation. And then back at the office, he goes to Darcy and he learns via her thoughts that she wants to land the Nike Women's division as a client. Do you think maybe Nike gave this movie a little bit of money to repeat itly call them the most feminist friend that's ever existed. There's like a very long scene where Helen Hunt is like, okay, so Nike, as we know, loves and respects women in every way, and this is like what we have to do to just put on display how much women should be buying Nike products. And they gives him like, yes, of course Nike and women. When they make out, she's moaning, oh, Nike, just do it subtle advertising shout out to goodness. Um. So he's like, hey, I'll help you with Nike. And then their boss comes in and he's like, hey, let me get to read on something. And then Nick steals all of her thoughts and uses them as his own. Not the first time he's done this. He already tried it with Anagasta, but it backs successful. So now he's better at stealing. He's better at it. And because he's still trying to sabotage Darcy and get her fired because he still wants her job, he's trying to get on his daughter's good side by offering to buy her prom dress. Um. He goes on that date with Lola and they have sex and he's bad at it at first, and then he starts he's like, wait a minute, if I just listen to her thoughts, I'll be good at sex, and then that works to me. Really overacts her way through it, but I enjoyed it the whole thing. She's like Mel Gibbs, bis good naked. Then he starts bonding with various women at his office and he Sarah Paulson's there so many great women and their talents are completely wasted on but they gotta check, honey, that check get the money. I mean, I guess if you're like an up and coming like actress, that's like, do you want to be in a Nancy Myers movie? You're like sure, but they were like the Twists, it's the worst Nancy. Um. So then he and Darcy start to work together on the pitch for Nike, and he uses his mind reading powers to make her think that they're on the same wavelength um. And then she thinks uh, and he knows her thoughts that she might be attracted to him, and then she looks at his penis and that scene that I think is from the trailer, but the penis twice I looked at his penis. I don't know, I looked at it again. I kind of giggled. But also I shouldn't have. She reacts in a way that is like not subtle, and she could have just been like oops. Um. So then they start to flirt and they go onto this like romantic dinner. They kiss, uh, and then later Lola is like, wait a minute, remember when you had sex with me? You're gay? And he's like, yeah, it was. There's so much done talk with that scene. We'll get there. Um. And then in the pitch meeting to Nike, he started he's feeling guilty about having stolen her ideas, but she's like, no, no, no, you do the pitch meeting. So he does it, and he nails it. Everyone in Nike's immediately like where can I side this guy? I want to give him my vagina? So brutal. And then Ellen Alda's like, wow, this darcy lady, what a mistake that was. So he fires her because he thinks that she hasn't done anything. And then Nick's like, wait a minute, no, the good ideas were actually hers. You've got to hire her back. And then the various subplots that don't need to be in the movie. Come to a conclusion where he has to go to proms. He has goes to prom. They walk him through the whole prom. Look it com nobody has to be in high school for the problem to happen. Forty six years old and fucking prom, this cne ass man and they talk. He gets it with no problem. He approaching a teenage girl. He's like, hey, do you know my daughter? She's got brown hair, and oh the brown haired girl, yeah, she's in there. And then her his daughter, is like, I can't believe in telling you this. I was gonna freak, but then guys are bad. And then he was like, he was like, listen, I know what it's like to be a woman, because for like three days, I know what it's like to be a woman. And if he's kissing a slut with a tongue ring, just come home and take a nap. And she's like, I forgive you for not being there. Oh it's a mess. Also, his ex wife calls it. There's so many unnecessary scenes in this movie where like his ex Woy didn't need to call him from a cruise, We didn't need to see the crew at all. They paid for a whole cruize million dollars. You can see the cruise. Let's get a boat. She can't afford it. She's like, I'm on a cruise. Anyways, I don't know if prom's going well. It's like, right, flex, I don't appreciate that. They're just like, fucking, let's go a whole prom. You mean it is chased through Chinatown to get to Judy Greer's apartment save her life. Like it's just there's so much like New York City is ours Chicago. It's not even New York City, you know where the advertising happens. It's Chicago, where of course there are advertising firms. And but like there's that scene where um, Sarah Paulson's like, hey, boyfriend, you can write from anywhere. If I want to be in advertising, I have to work in Chicago. Like okay, maybe I don't know. So I feel bad for everyone who had to be in this movie. So all these subplots like come doing and he saves Rudy Career's life. That's the whole thing. And then finally he gets ahold of Darcy and he's like he admits to stealing her thoughts and manipulating her and all of this stuff, and then she's like, well, but does he really does? Like he the way he explains it to her is weird where he's like, I was stealing all your ideas and she wasn't. She does not question it at all. Maybe she was also writing them down somewhere, but she's never like, what did you go into my computer? Like, she's like okay, she's like, oh that's not cool, and you're fired, which that was fun, but it's fun. She does fire him, but then she's like, but you're still my boyfriend, so you're fired from my job, but you're hired to my flag now gets to work, so there that lass soon as a mess. She also there's so many I'm like if she get her job because she doesn't check to see if she's actually been rehired. After the man who's like, I've been lying to you the whole time is like, actually I was reading your thoughts and you're fired, but also you're rehired, and she was just like, ah, do I really have my job back? Man who laed to me this whole time, you're fired, let's kiss and then they kiss and then it is mercifully over two hours later it's over. It was a long movie, so we got to take a quick break. But we'll come right back for the discussion. And we are back. Where to start? I don't know. I don't even know. I mean, like we touched on some of it in their recap. The first thing that stood up out to me was, like you were saying, lace, you have the beginning sequence another expensive not important because it's the child in Vegas being grown up in smoking cigars and being kissed all like as an eight year old. That whole sequence is like, well, this is setting us up for a fucking disaster. Uh so that I mean, we I don't know how if there's much more to say about it, because like many things in this movie, the topic of his mother and his upbringing is never brought up again. And the thing that was problematic about the child's upbringing wasn't all the women around him. It was just that one man who had him smoking cigars, counting money, and was that and then he was like getting back to work, was that man from child gives in his his accountant, like his account is like an eight year old. He's like start counting this. He's like, fucking he just like wanders into central casting, like the women were actually lovely, they were like, oh hard, and he grew up about so many nice women. But I guess because they had the breasts out and they were they were the thoughts of the time, he hated them. It really, it makes no sense the whole intro. And again it's like words put into his ex wife's mouth, so it seems like the way she's explaining it is like, because he grew up around like women that aren't to my standard, that's why he's a raging misogynist. But then the movie's like, no, but she's right, because look, he's a raging misogynist. And then we get to the first sequence, which in the first I was trying to clock it. In the space of five minutes, he sexually harasses his housekeeper within an inch of her life, including slapping her ass, calling her babe, make me a sandwich, the whole nine yards. Then he gets to work, he bumps into a woman so she spills coffee and then he grabs her titty and it's just like, oh, I'm sorry, and then she's like, oh, she loves it. Hit her own purpose with this. That bothered me because I was in my head weighing would I rather a man grab my titty or spill my coffee on me on purpose? And I was like, I would my outfit. She's like, I'm like you my whole ship up, didn't grab my titty. And then I'm gonna be like thank you so much, Mr sir, Like that was the most unrealistic part of the movie, like it bloves this to me on purpose, and then you grab my whole titty. And then she was like, it's like when she snapped out that shirt is ruined and you were assaulted. That's not good. Then he goes to Marissa Tomay, who in this scene says no to him three times, where he's like, oh's your god me and she's like no, I'm not your type, which is like sure whatever, and then he's like, yeah, sure, I got grande nick and then she's like she's like no, I don't want to and then he touches her hand. He's like who with you and with me? There's a sucking line behind him and she's like no, I don't think so, and then he's like sure, and then at the end she's like, Okay, you know what's crazy about that is I've seen so many movies do that thing, but the guy like gets increasingly charming and it works. But I've never seen even then, I'm like, this is not real life. I said, no, tell you your ask this because no, you went because like, please stop asking me increasingly creepy and it works. That was the weird thing for me. And I was like, this, mother, I didn't even get no more charming. He was like, go out with me, go out with me, this dick out with me. I'm gonna touch you now. He also said, I don't know how where the Starbucks sizes were at it this time, but he's he's as grande, which is medium. He's like, I've got a medium sized d some of this that's like it's more of a tall, small dick. So we're still a lot out of the first five minutes of the movie. He oh, okay. So then and now he's at work, he says that horrible joke to that woman where he was like, is it crazy how your wife doesn't suck your dick anymore? And she's like ha ha ha. And then he goes up to his friend who I thought was breck and Meyer but wasn't. That's the only way I think I've described that. I thought that he was the guy from The Walking Dead. Oh it could have been, but it's neither of that bigger lady like who wasn't bigger, she was Hollywood fat, like a normal size pa. She's a six and she's trying to eat a don'tnut. He's like, put that down, fat bitch. It's in passing. He's just walking. It's insane. And then and then he like the first five minutes end when he's at Sarah Paulson and Sarah and he's just like, I think that's like the least bad of the interactions, but it's still bad because he's just condescending to her and he's like, get my coffee, blah blah blah, and that is how the movie starts. He's sexually her is no less than like ten people batchas and salt. Yeah, well, here's the thing about like everything women ate he does in the first five minutes of the movie, it's really the joke about the joke was incoherent, the one about you was crazy. After ten years work still sus but your wife still doesn't suck. I'm getting divorced and no, shure, you're getting divorced. Well, that's okay. So he's set up to be this like horrible misogynist. I guess as the audience were supposed to see that he's a misogynist, but he's also the protagonist who we're like, ah, he's charming, and so what if he's assaulting and harassing women. It's weird. It wasn't even that charming Gibson's fault because I just think mel Gibson is inherently not charming. But this guy is not charming. Nothing he did. I was like, I could see how somebody would get away with this, Like I was always like, no, the like the uncanny Valley of like us needing to believe Mel Gibson is hot is like on par with like the Polar Express. You're just like they're no, this looks wrong, Like everything about this is wrong. I feel tricked. I feel like was like this man is sexy to y'all know, we never never said this, we said so it's a listening. Then, so whenever he can start to hear women's thoughts, he realizes that all of the comments who's been making have been not received well and that he has not been respecting women. So to me, it feels like this movie attempts to make a feminist message. I don't think it succeeds or works at all, But I don't know that that I don't That's what is Like a lot of moms love this movie, and that is baffling to me. But I'm like, is I don't know? It's not feminist in any way, but I did. There are moments where you can tell the movie thinks it's doing right and you're just like, because I think the message of the movie is supposed to be or the thing that the like filmmakers intended for the audience to take away was that, oh man, this this guy who doesn't respect women until he's forced to like get inside their heads and like learn that he's been sexist to them this whole time. So he has to like change his attitude about women if he wants to keep having sex with them. He's got to learn he's gotta listen. Like there is like an attempt atta like men should listen to women more. This being revolutionary at the time, I think I'm kind of like, I mean, we're progressively getting more feminists, you know, as the years go on, or at least starting to listen to women. The structures, the infrastructures that keep women and people of color still exist or keep us down that you know, they exist, um still and they're going very strong. But at least there are mediums where we can be heard. So I feel like this movie was probably like if you were in solitary confinement and then somebody lets you like walk around a prison cell, You'd be like, oh damn, look at me, I got a toilet, I gotta bit. Is it something like you'd be like, like that is a step up? You still in jail, like it just got a little room to move around. Now you got the tuns in a while, no more. It's just like crazy, difend if this movie, well, I don't know, Like I feel like we're all too young to really know what was then. But like if the first movie that was like hey guys, maybe listen to women for the first time in two thousands, they're like, holy sh it, everyone's got to see this movie, like not this revolutionary, like what that talk? Maybe you won't grab my breast my shirt. It's also just crazy that a movie called What Women Want stars Mel Gibson. It's told from his point of view. It's about a guy who never stops manipulating women until maybe the very very end. And it also doesn't help that it's Mel Gibson and he is a notorious racist and notoriously anti Semitic and women he's got some mean voicemails, he's left women he's absolutely like, which rings true in the movie. I think that's why I don't. He's not even a little bit charm. You can't because they're so hard to men who get away with doing because you'd be like, mostly fine men. My mom works in HR and was always like, you know, we never get any reports about hot guys. That's just what doesn't happen. And I was like, it's not okay still, but there are some people who get away with more because you're like, you kind of fine, let's still happen though, because I feel like I think today, I think it's an individual basis. I don't think there's a person alive who can be disrespectful to a group of people and someone's not going to find it disrespectful. But I think that there are people who get a little bit more case by case acknowledgement than others, and that does not in of those and it does seem something like a movie like this could reinforce uh, And a lot of movies reinforce ideas like that. We're like, when hot guys harass you, it's fine because you're supposed to like want so that's well, we live in hell. Well this movie is so this movie. Also it reinforces the idea that women are impossible to figure out, that they never say what they mean, that we aren't like clear communicators. Also that when you're walking around, you're just like estrogen and that should think full complete sentences. That was what was bothering me. I was like, how much of my day do I actually spend thinking like, oh my god, I looked at his penis. I thought, I'm having stundering in my head, Like in my head, I'm stuttering in my head. Also the fact that he finds out he has this ability, and then first he thinks it's a curse, and then when he whenever bet Middler convinces them that it's actually a gift, he's like, well, hey, it's fine. Then for me to just completely be so invasive and read women literally read women's thoughts in order to figure them out and trick them and manipulate them like this makes him so irredeemable throughout the entire movie, and then the movie like makes the attempt to him standing at his house and then him being like, it's so hard for me to lie and say that I'm gay because I'm obviously so straight. Obviously it'll stop fucking women. You know, I'm going to make this concession for you because I read your mind and tricked you into banning me. Like he spent so much of this the time of this movie stealing women's ideas, totally steamrolling them, gaslighting them into being like, no, this was my idea, and just it's horrible that first scene with on a gas star, why is your name? I believe so say it wrong? But like when he's first starting to realize that he can be a thought grifter, he like steals an idea from one of the female employees in the room, says it but says it kind of wrong, and then immediately because I don't know, like, I guess's idea also doesn't sound good, but it's like Adville, what you take when you need to to fake a headache so you don't have sex with your man? Right, I was like, this is already too long of a journey for a single billboy, I'm having an ad bill tonight because I don't want to have your dick. What is this? And then they'll givs and tries to communicate women can't say that idea, I gotta take inset, don't forget. Like that's how our women also attestament to help our women have to go to just say they don't want to have I have to take an add bill. You have to buy advil, not because you needed, because you need to fake addict because like a gentle pill in front of your because women are so frigid that we never want to have sex with our husbands or whatever. And also if you don't want to, you can't just say something. You need to insure. You have to like ruin your liver and your kidneys with like medicine you don't need. So then so then mel Gibson tries to present that idea as his zone and then Helen Hunter is like, what are you talking about? And then mel Gibson, instead of being like, I'm sorry, that wasn't a good idea, he then weaponizes it against the person whose idea it was. He goes up to on a gas star and he's like, you don't fuck your husband, do you? And then she was like what. He's like, you fake your orgasms, don't you. And she's like, no, I never fake my orgasms. And he's like fuck you and he sits down. You're like, yeah, oh, if he's supposed to be good at advertising, like you can't tell what a good ideas and what a bad idea is. Like you were just like, all right, which one of these bitches is thinking right now? Okay, let me get that thought. Woman has got to be good. Also, don't forget that he interrupted the other woman who was trying to pitch Helen Hunt an idea. He's like, wait a minute, let me interrupt a man's talking. Here's my stupid idea about advil. And that's the same woman who he was like, wives don't suck enough, nick anyways, Like that was the same lady. Yeah, And yet we're supposed to feel that he has been redeemed by the end of the movie, and then he's so the majority he is. So he finds someone who is very so Helen Hunt's really good at her job, and he steals her thoughts and presents the messes on which she doesn't really push back on ever his bizarre yeah, where she's like, that's so crazy. I was just thinking that. But then even so if she was just thinking that, then like we're going it together. Like there, I don't because the thought is is that women are so insecure and that like, oh, she got this job. But come on, guys, we all know she got the job because she's a woman. She had to push China and needed one to really reform at our company. So here she is, and Alan Arkin like says buck Alan, He says that, he literally says, like you're not gonna believe this, but women are making purchases out there, so he like do he like tokenizes her before we even meet her. And then she is, I mean and that that's like a whole other like that they made it true. They didn't actually even make her smart because she never says any of your ideas like out loud. It's that he steals them from her head and realizes that she's smart, which otherwise he would not have or Yeah, I don't know what would have happened if he didn't. I feel like maybe he might have crashed and burned, because then she would have been good at her job. I think things would have worked out much better for her if he couldn't read her he wasn't around, because then he would have he wouldn't have gotten the promotion. He still wouldn't have been good at his job. She was having the good ideas, and she wouldn't have wanted to hang out with him because she heard he was an asshole. Because I feel like the movie tried to make it seem like, well, if he wasn't dealing the thoughts, would she have ever said them? And I was like, oh, Ry, probably, yeah, I think she would have. So. Also, the advertisement that he stole from her head and then formulated into the ad was still about men, like the ad at the end of the day was about men. It was like the road that you run on. It doesn't care if you have on lipstick. It doesn't care if you're old or you're young, like a man would care. It will call you back, unlike that man that you're dealing with, Like this road, it's better than a man. Like what's this road? If you wanted to it, probably make it come better than a man. What is happening? Like the road is It's just it's fucking ridiculous, and then the women are like, oh I love it, Yes, sign me up. The road is for unforkable women. Jesus Christ. We got to take another quick break, but we'll come right back. Another thing I wanted to say about the Ellen Alda character and that whole situation is Eleanorda doesn't hire a woman to give her a professional opportunity or to like diversify the company's employees. He only does it so that they can make money. And he thinks that like, oh, well, if we do this, then like we're going to pull in a whole different demographic of people and that will make us money. And I feel like that's a lot of what the thinking is in like Hollywood still, where it's like, well, we don't really care about, you know, showing the stories of women or people of color or queer people, but it's trendy to do right now, and people seem to be paying money to go see those stories, so let's do it. And it's like they're capitalized on a movement rather than like actually giving people a platform to tell their stories because they actually care about doing that and about it. Yeah, And it's like if you're commenting on it in the movie. That's one thing. But they're not they're not doing they're saying, look, yes, white men are more interesting than all of you hetero white men. We're the best, We're the most interesting. But apparently Itches is out here buying ship. So God, let's get one of those ones with the boobs in here so that we can get some of that money. Melankuson says, I hear she is a bit on wheels, and then Alan Alder rep that is very funny. There is Okay, I'm sorry, there's something very funny about why on wheels is she moving really fast? So she has this reputation apparently as being like, I guess a ball buster something like that, So why wouldn't she, whenever she's in this job be more outspoken and like being unless like maybe this or reputation was not earned or who I mean, It's hard to say, but I think it's because she was a boss, like a woman in a position of power. Immediately she has to be a bit because that's how jobs were, that's how people has a better position than you, and she is unfortunately it is she's yeah, yeah, it's the whole thing is confusing. And then the romantic pursuit and their romantic relationship is also very troubling, where first he absolutely hates her just based on her reputation alone. He hates he resents the fact that she was hired instead of him for this promotion. He does all this stuff to undermine her, steals her ideas. Oh and then whenever she's first introduced, there's like this weird, like male gaze shot of just her legs where he's like on the ground picking up a pen or something and he's like looking at her legs and then it like pans up and this like weird male gaze shot that like doesn't need to happen, but I guess it's to establish that, like, oh wow, she is attractive and they're going to end up together. Like this is overly critical, but it is of mel Gibson, so I don't think it matters. I think he has a dead tooth. I kept pausing it to be like, I think he has a dead tooth. I think Mel Gibson has a dead tooth, which would a dollar budget. You can get you a laugh too, real quick cut the cut the fucking Vegas scene and get this man a tooth, right, we need Jerry Bruckheimer in there to get him some veneers. He had a shadow tooth. It was haunting me. Yeah, Bruckheimer would not be having any of this. No better to take him out, put in a new set anyting like how are you supposed to be extra super fun? And then he's kind of dead tooth. Also, like that moment in the beginning where she's speaking and she does like it seems like she's on top of her ship. She comes in with some products she already has to work for everyone to do, and he's like with his foil. I think the guy who's his best friend is meant to be a foil of Like, yeah, Mel Gibson's trash, but look at this creepy, little more trash guys. He's shorter and he's got a douche face. Right, he's got to be worse than Mel. What is this guy's purpose? But they're sneakering and undermining her as she talks, and then when even when they begin to become friends. It was very disturbing to me because there is a power dynamic of this is your boss, dude, and he never treats her like she's his boss. He grabs her chair. That's on wheels and pulls it close to him. Yeah, right, well their work, and yeah he's like her underling. And it's never it's always she's like I thinking about like someone who works for you, being like get over here. I'm like, what, I'm gonna pull your chair. No matter who did that to me, I would probably also sick. And she's like, I'm I don't feel and she's like he's like I don't care, Like oh gosh, so yeah, he's doing all this whole stuff. And then I mean, not to mention the very unequal power dynamic of him being able to hear her innermost thoughts, he has. What he should have done when he realized he has this ability is go to like Walden Pond and close himself up in a cabin and never leave again. Like that's what a good person would have done. But instead he's like, oh, I can hear every woman's thoughts. Better take advantage of this. I don't know what he I don't like. I have no suggestion for what he should have done, except for like, not what he did. I don't know. I mean the way that like the magic of the hearing women's thoughts is very vague and that's fine whatever, Like there's no way to explain it that is going to make any fucking sense. But he's stealing women's thoughts and weaponizing their own innermost thoughts against them, and then on top of that, the writing of their thoughts is like non sense. And the fact that he has to get so physically close to a woman to hear her thoughts, he's like, ah ha, and like my least favorite one but also the most egregious one. Was like when he literally like, there's such a women joggers are constantly assaulted. It's like a known thing. But he gives him just stands directly behind one and jogs after her to hear her thoughts. I'm like, she thinks you're going to kill her? Like that's and how are her thoughts not about that? Like this man, okay, put my car Kei's in between my fingers, Like these are the real thoughts of this woman you're jogging behind. Also, Loretta divine being in this movie. Loretta. I feel like Loretta is the Samuel Jackson, like the black woman Samuel Jackson just like up in movies with the same accent. And I'm like, Loretta, how did you get it? This movie, her coaches attracted to him. She's like someone that whe chocolate, because that's what black women are thinking about white men. But my first thought, all the color in this movie, which of which there are not many, are like relegated to either like service jobs and areolds and then they're they're just like made the butt of a joke, mostly, like especially with Loretta Divine, because it's like, look how horny she is. Isn't that hilarious? So horny for him? He would never think, right, it is funny that a woman would be attracted to mel Gibson, But it's like, you have fucking Loretta Divine here. Use her correctly makes the housekeeper character too. I think that it seems like this movie assumes that it can say a lot of horrible things as long as the woman it's being done against thinks something later. But to me, that makes it way worse because they never actually say anything. So you just realize that like women are nervous or like afraid in this world and like in the real world a lot of the time, to you, like they're they're not going to say what they think because they're afraid of someone retaliating on them. His housekeeper is like clearly like hates him but doesn't want to get fired, but so has to like take this abuse from him in order to remain. Like there's just so many dark subplots that are played as jokes where it's like, well, we at least now we know she thinks he's an asshole, and like she knows he's a worthless alcoholic. It's like, yeah, this is not good, Like we're we gotta help her. Yeah, you got to help her. But I think it was like more treated like women. We know you feel this way around men, So enjoy this movie where you realize all other women are in constant fear and discomfort around men, but they're celebrate have because there's no Catharsis, because they're just like, yeah, they don't escape, there's predicament, be stupid, right. They never women never verbally challenge any of the men. It's just their thoughts, which again perpetuates the idea that it's like, well, women are never saying what they mean, and we're impossible to figure out. We're just like keeping everything to ourselves. But at the same time, we're always thinking about you, always thinking about mel Gibson specific we can't help ourselves. Poor Sarah Paulson another another great character actress who has nothing to do here, like just and they pointed that in the movie even it's like I have a degree from and I like to get his coffee, which is ironic because that's all she does in this movie. Yeah, she probably really does have to. She's like a very talented, like added actress. And then there's that scene where she's like she's like yeah, She's like, do you realize I have an Ivy League education and that running your errands has put me into therapy? Why don't you take me seriously and give me some real work to do? Oh yeah, I remember why. It's because I have a vagina. And it's like, okay, here's this again. This movie is attempt at being like, see you, we're doing like a feminist thing here, right, And it's like no, sorry, Nancy. Two secretaries who have nothing, one of them is played by Delta Park and they're like, this is okay because we have a blonde and brunette, so no one can say it's a dumb blonde because we all have a brunette. And just think ever, did either you see the decor in his office it's all like Vegas pin ups, like he's got some mommy problems on display in his office because it's all old school pin ups that he goes in with his two of his two secretaries. Who I mean, I'm like, what is this commenting on? Like just no, no thoughts whatsoever. They just they're like, no, we say what we mean, and what we mean is mel Gibson rules, just like and that's the only thought we have. Dear straighten his tie and we brushed the lint off of him when he comes in. What is this? Are these women? I don't don't know. There's there are many women characters in this movie, but often they only get a handful of scenes or just like a couple of scenes and we don't see them again, or they were part of a wacko subplot, like the Judy character. And you know, we already touched on how irresponsibly depression and like suicidal ideation is handled in this movie, but like, yeah, what was anyone thinking? No one was thinking that whole I mean, the Judy Grew thing. It's like, I don't I don't even know how deep I feel like we we basically touched on it because they're high. I have a male dog taking up too much space. Excuse me, I don't I don't know. The Judy Grew thing is is a fucking disaster, and I feel like analyzing it too closely is almost just like what's the point because I'm just thinking about it in the first place. I do want to talk a little bit about his relationship with his daughter, because that's frame we get. We don't really get to know his ex wife very well, except for the fact that he fucking hates her at the end. We don't really know if that relationship has changed or how justified it was in the first place. Also, he tries to kiss her on the mouth at her own wedding to another man, like came in and just slack the funk out of her. He's like, but first yeah, he's like, can I kiss you? And she's like yeah, and she thinks it's gonna be like a cheek kiss and he goes into her mouth and he's like and then the guy did they get to be? Her new husband is obviously some type cast of whatever, a dorky man it's supposed to look like. It's like, looks she went from this hot male gibsonstad to this cornball, dorky spain like there there. It reminded me of the new dad or new boyfriend in The Santa Claus, like where it's like where Tim Allen supposed to look like a super alpha because this other guy's wearing a sweater. You're just like, I don't believe I can't respect this man wearing a sweater. Right if they're like he's wearing a sweater and he loves you, funk off. You could have had it bad with me. You could, because they'll be sufferating with a sexy man. It's worse in the Santa Claus because I don't even think time Ellen was ever like position as a sexy person, so it's just confusing. Has never been attractive. Also, like he's a Republican, yeah, yeah, the like the relationship with his daughter, Yeah, he's so irresponsible with his daughter. Every person in his life is an afterthought, which was really disturbing to me. Like he catches his daughter making out with a do she kid who's eighteen and looks like trouble, and then he's like, get up, you can't have none of my daughter's vagina, and then then they both leave together, right right, Well, good job, Mel. Now they're just gonna elsewhere. You want to have sex with my daughter in an alley, you go won't be a mock ouch like kicks them out that whole Oh. Another scene that went on way too long is the scene to what a Girl Wants like Christian Acular, where his daughter's trying on prom dresses for five minutes, just spinning in a chair. Reaction. This is how much people thought we loved Milk Gibson. And they were like, we don't have to put dialogue in and we don't need jokes. The girl doesn't even have to say anything. Let's just keep showing Mills chair. I think Mello just like I just finished a two o one class and I kind of want to show off what I've got. It starts improvi. He does the same thing in the dancing and makeup scene, but the spinning in a chair, I'm like, I don't even know if they're in the same room when this is being filled, because he's just yeah, maybe they were. They're like, look, Mel has a very tight schedule. We're just gonna shoot him spinning around, and he's gonna say next, next, next, There's no way, thank you, next, thank you? Next gave us that. I was like, how would dare you? But maybe they weren't in the same room for that. Now I'm starting to think that that was one of those like where they just had a tennis ball as an eyeline for her when they shot her ship, and was like, just male is gonna be right there? You just be like dad, because he says thing that really corresponds with what she's saying. The reactions never line up. I'm like, I guess it's not two thousand and I don't. But like, all the dresses are horrible, horrible. There's no wide shot, there's no two shot. Oh my god, they were never any I think there because because he's trying to she has she has like a leather jacket on one of and he keeps trying to pull it off. And then there's another one where he's like trying to put his hand in. It wasn't his hands, it was his whole body. Unfortune unfortunately we had to see his whole body circus kind of like c g I hands. Dresses were very bad, and she chooses one of the worst ones and he's like, yes, you look amazing, and then she looks in because she's a girl. She looks in the mirror and things, I wish I had some boobies to fill out this DRez and then were like, oh, their relationship is going well. But then they have a dinner together and I mean, basically he's saying like, hey, don't fuck. I know I've never done anything for you. I don't even know you are, but it's critical you don't fuck, and she's she's I mean, one of the better moments for her where she's like, no, fuck you, I'm leaving. But then that scene ends. That scene ends with apparently every other woman in the restaurant, who are all facing him for some reason, have an opinion on the conversation they could not have possibly heard, right, I guess the people's conversations. It's it's what is it? I don't know what is tired. And then their storyline ends when she doesn't fuck because she's crying at the prom and then he's like, thank god, you didn't fuck, And that's sort of where that's left, Like there's no acknowledgment of like her sexuality, and he never accepts because of the way that storyline plays out, he never has to accept that his daughter is growing up. He literally tucks her in like a little girl, and it's like, I'm a great dad. I gotta go leave the house and funk Helen Hunt. Like he also didn't know that she was going to the prom. He didn't he forget off like like you know, parents usually like see you off for taking pictures of you, Like the mom calls from a cruise like, hey, something's wrong with our kid. It's and then he has just he gets that call fresh off of saving Judy GRI's life and it's like ship the prom, Like are you serious? He's going from a suicide rescue to a prom and there and then he gets to the prom and he's like, hey, I'm sorry I forgot prom and she's like, that's not what it is. I was like, but it could be like, yeah, it's the whole like eight simple rules of dating my teenage daughter kind thing where it's like like why I get that, you Like, parents want to you know, protect their children and stuff like that. But we see so much of these stories of like parents, especially the father's being like, well, she's my baby girl, so no one, no other boys can touch her. I have control over her body and her sexuality. Why is this weird male ownership of daughters. I don't mean it's a huge thing. My daughter don't fuck the best day there was a girl and I don't know what religion this ceremony is affiliated with, but it's basically like something that happens when you're in your early teens where you do this weird ceremony your dad. It's like a promise. You get a promise ceremony with your dad, Like I promise I won't fuck dad. I'm married to you, dad, until I'm married to some other man who owns me, and then I we won't fun because that's weird, but we'll dance together and gives me really close and take like creepy pictures together with like girl sitting on her dad's lap a lot of the time. I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful to any really, but like that is that it's like a weird property Paul, before we keep I watched this movie with my boyfriend last night and thank you so much with a man that loves me. But he had a little theory was he reading your thoughts? If he is, he is very horrible because uh no, I have to explicitly tell him every thought I'm having and I do. Uh So, his theory was that mel Gibson when the hair dryer hits the water the first time, mel Gibson dies and then his version of Hell is having to hear what women think, and that's what the whole movie is. I was like, whoa, okay, where this is like his Groundhog Day purgatory style, Like the last thing he wanted in life was to know what women were thinking. And I'm like, you're giving the reading of this movie way too much credit, but I wasn't. I do enjoy that theory, and maybe since because that's why he's trying to like electrocute himself again to stop it. Oh my gosh. Um. I wanted to quickly talk about the scene where his daughter and her boyfriend walk in on him while he's trying on all like the different quote feminine products, and it's meant to be this like hugely embarrassing moment for him because like movies and society in general love to make fun of men when they're doing anything that might be considered feminine. So you know, he's got on the tights and the nail polish and all this stuff, and it's always framed was like, Wow, how embarrassing for him, because like mixing traditionally feminine things with traditionally masculine like with a traditionally man is so weird. And this movie is no exception. It does that very thing, which is bad. And then I feel like there's like that, I mean, can we hit that homophobic storyline? We must? Yeah, So what happens here is basically that, uh, he used the god of sex. Now apparently he has sex with Lola and she's really into him, and she thinks the sex was great, and he doesn't call her because now he's falling in love with Darcy. So then Lola basically stalks him and like hangs outside of his building, like her face pressed up against the window, like how do you casually for something? And then she's like I've been here for six hours, like my hands pressed on the window and my face like peering inside, Like that's an uncomfortable physician to hole for six hours. And then she's like, wait a minute, you didn't call me, and and you're you're sensitive and you think like a woman and you act like a woman and all this stuff, so that must mean you're gay, right, And he's like huh, and then he's hearing her thoughts and she's like, if he's not gay, I'll be so sad and upset, and so to like not hurt her feelings, he struggles to say yet because I'm gay, and then she's like, how gay? And he's like, is gay? Is that getting Like it's like that, like what part of this isn't so funny? You just touched my bread? Coffee's like she's loving it. It's also weird because it's like, is this the conception that people have of homosexuality is like, Oh, because I'm gay, I'm no longer a man, Like I'm no longer masculine anyway, I'm no longer man, I'm a woman. Respect is bad and so why that's not how anything works? And it's like, but not only is like listening and respecting a woman makes you gay, and that's really bad. That's the worst thing you can do. He has to really, it's supposed to be an equal exchange that he listened to this woman's thoughts, like, first of all, harassed the ship out of her to get this date. They listened to all her thoughts and manipulated her to have sex with her. They did not call her first six days ghosted her so hard that she showed up to his damn house. Him saying that he's gay is supposed to be a fair and equal exchange, right, What it's not. I mean, it's it's like very obviously insulting to any queer person that he's like, oh yeah, I'm gonna take this opportunity so that i can ghost this woman effectively, which is horrible. Every Her opinions on queer people are horrible. His reinforcing that and taking advantage of it as a horrible and just the implication of like what being gay means in this scene is weird. It's weird. But also this felt like a moment that was written by a woman as a as a former not woke and still always waking up much more every day. Even as we talked, like me referencing like, oh, like attractive men don't get written up for sexual arrassment as much. It's like, oh, wow, that is something that is ingrained in me, because I'm supposed to think that if you're attractive, that, oh you can disrespect me or be you know, inappropriate. Right, even that moment, I was like, whoa, that's still something that's in my mind. Thank you, But like I think a woman brother, because I think a common thing that a lot of women do to escape unwanted male advancements is be like, I'm gay, And I think that this was supposed to be like, oh, that that's that's what we use on the men that we don't want all the time, so they will leave a slone. Either we say we're property like I have a boyfriend, or we say I'm gay and then I my brain has no way to want you physically, so you shouldn't feel bad that I don't want you. And I was like oh, and then he uses that same that's supposed to seem like a moment I think it's supposed to appeal to women like, look, a man did this thing that we have to do because we just can't say no with our own agency because men won't accept that right like you, there's no option for like she has to prove in furious and I guess that is the position males put in. It's like, well, if I'm single, what can I say? Why can't I say I didn't want her without just rejecting someone clearly? But it's different because it's like if mel Gibson rejected her, She's not gonna attack him, like something isn't like going to He's not going to be I feel like that the reason women are afraid to reject it because of our fear of being hurt by men physically or killed. And that's why this moment is even more gross to me, because I feel like it's trying to liken what we do sometimes to be safe, as oh, look, he's doing it totally point, he's doing it because he's a coward, because he's fearing for his safety exactly. And that's why I was like, this is and I think that's I think that's their underlying justification for doing something horrible to so many different people in this moment of like trying to treat homosexuality like it's this, I think they were trying to be like, but look now we're using it like how you women use it when you're not actually gay, when it's like we don't if if which if women are still doing that, please don't like that's not good, like just like and I know like we do have to, like our our safety is sometimes in in danger when we reject certain types of unhinged men. But still a common thing that people do I see it on the internet all the time, like if you don't like the guy, just tell him you're getting what. But it was a thing that like I can't blame women who have done it because I'm like ship, like men will kill you if you need to escape, like to escape, right, but it's not right. And I think that moment for me, I looked at it and I was like, this is and it's just totally played for a joke in every way, Like, man, he really got away with that. And then he you get the feeling he feels a little bit bad, but never enough to apologize and never I mean, you know, the second that interaction over, he's just going to go to a different coffee shop and that's it. And he doesn't have to apologize to her because he's gonna apologize to the respectable woman that he cares about, so he don't got to apologize as this other woman he completely fucked over, like not a working class person who you felt like a service. She's I want to be actress who makes coffee, which means her life is worse. So she's fucking silly and you don't need to respect her. And she's I mean, it sounds like she was told to like play it dumb, oh for sure, because can be subtle. She is not here, No, it's frazzled and anxious in these moments and showing up at his house. So yeah, they tried to play her like I think in the minds of men, the women that they toy with, like, oh, this woman is just a dumb bimbo. It's okay if I disrespect her because she doesn't respect herself, which is it's not all of the side bars. Let me look through. Oh, I just like, I mean, I feel like I'm missing so much. I mean even just like the list of the like women's products that they have to figure out how to target two women which are also just it reminds me of that scene in Elf, kind of where it's like, oh, the girls want dolls and like make up kids Indoda, and it's like everything that would be considered a woman's product of stuff like anti wrinkle cream, mescara lipstick like like stuff capitalist, feminist like and that's never addressed in any way of like, yeah, we need to sell these really expensive products to women because the world has taken such a concerted effort to make them seem like they need to look a certain way, blah blah blah. That's just it also doesn't make any sense because if we're even talking into like a heteronormative society where we do force this kind of shot on women, I'm pretty sure if they just know about great Lash, like we know, we know where to get it Great Lash, We're gonna go buy it. Like, I don't think you have to target with They're the demographic right for that, and lipstick and for pantyhose. Everything exactly been already buy. Should you be trying to sell I don't know, like a car engine the women or something that something hard snario typically women aren't in the market for. Wouldn't that be that would have been a child challenge? And the way that like mel Gibson interacts with these products when he's trying them on, like the thing that I was like, like when he does the legwix and I just don't need any more scenes of men. I thought of the forty year old virgin. You're like, oh my god, actually hard like they're just like obviously it hurts. But his reaction to that is like why did these women do this to themselves? And they're like, because you would have nothing to do with them if they didn't, because you're fucking nightmare. But he does. That's not It's just it's like when like men make fun of women for taking so long to get ready, and it's like, well, we only do that because you've placed such unrealistic standards of beauty on us. Shower, you wash the crack of your ass, and I'm supposed to be excited, but I gotta go in the room like a fucking demolition and the hair out of my boticles and paint my face and dam myself in the eye with maskra shit. What? And then also the last thing in that box of women's products was a visa card because women be shopping women, why does she I should go to put that in? But she's like, and also here's a visa card, just acause you didn't know how it works. Yeah, the little women use the visa card to buy Like, oh, no, one's good at their jobs. No, they really are not. In some people's jobs. I truly don't understand. He has two secretaries with no thoughts, But he asked the woman with a degree to get him his coffee, Like, don't you have two the secretaries with the het what do you do? Do you have? And they're like, we're going to the forty fourth floor. What also, your office is biggest ship? Like so bridge bigger? Could it get? It's Oh, and don't forget the part where Sarah Paulson's boyfriend from Israel gives Mel Gibson a yamica. Yes, I forgot about that. He probably like took that off the set at the end of the day of shooting and then like burned it or something because it hates Jewish people. This is this is still to this day the second highest grossing rom com ever. You're kidding to this day these days, that's why they remaking the ship. They're they're like, well it worked. Yeah. The only thing that's oh, this isn't. The only more successful round coom is My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Oh that's fascinating. What next? Right between My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Hitch was good. I got to revisit Hitch. I loved it when it came out, and I was thinking about the show obviously as I was watching this, I had a two part of it. I fell asleep last night. I had to just pose it and then watched the list in the morning stas is, I can't take it. My brain was like, no, stop too much. I was helping me. Yeah, but I was really trying to think of like did women talk to each other? And that one girl did talk to herself, but that doesn't count. That doesn't count. Yeah, you would think with all the characters, can we see who were women in this movie, they would interact more, But as far as I could tell, I was shocked, they only interact with male Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, they barely interact with other men. From what I could tell. There's a bunch of scenes at the very beginning of women talking about Nick to other unnamed women who do not respond, so by no means do any of those tests. We see Lola talking to her female colleague in the coffee shop about her auditioned but she, the other characters, is unnamed, so that does not pass. Um Alex mel Gibson's daughter in the movie, Um talks to her mom Gig. Mostly they talk about either Cameron or mel Gibson, but there's a tulne exchange where one says I'm going to miss you and the other one says I'm gonna miss you too. But she's only saying that they're gonna miss each other because her mom is about to go on a heatero honeymoon with a man, so on a bata we have to um. And then Dina, that's the character who Um is starting to pitch an idea to dark See about advil, but their conversation only happens in the background and it's immediately interrupted by Nick, who's like, wait a minute, I'm a man and I have an idea, so it's my turn. And then Um, Darcy's assistant who's played by Arden Marine Um talks to Darcy a couple of times, but I don't think that character is ever named. And then Alex has a like a three line exchange with a few of her friends about prom dresses, but the friends are never named, so they're like, there's just a handful of times where women do interact, but it's almost always about men, or the other characters aren't named, or I don't know. I think the daughter mother exchange, I can't this movie, no, I would say, because especially yeah, I guess by our rules that would technically pass. But also it's such that's not a meaningful conversation, like it's we hardly see women interacting and it what women want is male Gibson and nothing else. No flawed premise. Flawed premise from the jump, like the name of the movie, what a dirty ash trick? Like you're like, what woman? What? Yes, I'm a woman? Is this what I want? I wanted to dance to phrase the national for five minutes. I want to watch him. I want to watch oh man abs. I don't know, o lord. The fact that we see milk Gibson's abs is why so long? It was so long that I counted them and noticed how much they were on the screen. Really, I feel like when you started looking at a body part and you know, like you're like, I'm looking at abbs, It's like they lingered. And then also when he was having sex with Marissa Tomay, her thoughts went straight to, wow, he's got such a great body. I'm like, stop gaslighting me, stoping. She does make fun of his tall penis, and by tall mean oh gosh, well it doesn't pass the back time. I don't think so either. Okay, um, well, I'm gonna go ahead and give this zero nipples. I mean everything. From the horrible way in which the romantic story plays out, the idea that women only have thoughts that are about traditionally female things, or they only have thoughts about mel Gibson, just the way the Queerness istrays, the way queerness is portrayed, the way the suicidality has handled, the way that just everything, everything is mishandled in this movie. And it's like very feeble attempts to make a feminist message feminist four to the year two thousand are just do not land or hold up in any sort of way today. And I don't even know that they would have been that year either, really afensive on everybody. It's just horribly done in every single way. So it's another example of you know, media that is you know, created and directed and co written by women that really fucking misses the mark. But as we have all admitted earlier in this episode, you know, but we've were growing. We all as people are continuing to wake up. So hopefully Nancy Myers is doing that also, wake up. It's not too late to stop. It snows join us. Um. So, yeah, this is a piece of ship movie and it gets zero nipples. Yeah, I'm the same. Zero nipples is just a fucking disaster on every level. The fact that it was so popular. Is it just means that, Yeah, we gotta keep we gotta keep questioning stuff just because the movie says, Hey, this is what you want. Don't don't. You don't have to be a great You don't have to agree. It's okay, you don't have to see the movie. Uh, you know, I God, I the only thing I'm grateful for is this movie. I mean, I guess it is being remade, but like it doesn't seem to have much of a following or a legacy anymore, especially for a movie that was this popular, like it made more money than Pretty Woman. But there's like movies like that, we'll still have a fan base. And yeah, like it's not not everything about every rom com that was successful in this era is completely abhorrent the way this is zero yeah, zero, it's it's the worst. And Mel gives it as ugly what a piece of ship. Zero. Anyway, I'll give it um one cat nipple can't be a human nipple because this movie is really inhumane. Um. I remember this one from my childhood, and I remember, like, I guess, oh, I don't even know how I enjoyed it, but it was nine, so you know, Lacy I'm not gonna I think the nostalgic nine year old me is like, you can have like an animal nipple. You know. This is why, because there's so many women that I love in this movie. Um, they're not utilized at all, but I do love seeing them. And I'm an actor, so sometimes I look at stuff and I'm like, oh, girl, but you got that chick though, So thanks Nancy for getting a bunch of women paid at least a supporting role. Sag rate Um, but unfortunately this movie can have no real lady nipples at all because it's so fucking abhorrent. I didn't even realize and store we started breaking down that Mersa Tomay gay scene, how disturbed it is on so many different levels. It's just this is bad. Guys. I don't want this, and I'm a woman, Yeah, I don't want it. Please ask any woman today if this is what they wanted. And I guess we should have known because you called the movie what Women, but you ain't call none of us beforehand, like hey, what do you want? This is what you want? You just decided this is what I wanted. I think the remakes should also be called what Women Want, because this time it's at least a woman who's the protagonist of the story, and we will get a sense of what she wants. But hearing is men's thoughts just seems like a hall like like I think they tried to make this is I think your boyfriend has onto something about this maybe being male Gibson's hell and this. But it's not a fair flip because hearing men's thoughts really would be my own personal hall. I don't want to know what they they can They're already doing too much with their face and the has and the mouth and their actual words. So men are allowed to say whatever they want, right, so we know what they're thinking. Hey, Blue sweat a nice ass? What else is back there? I don't want to know. I don't write what they're saying is going through a little bit of a filter, So like what is what is not unfiltered? Yes, I don't want to know. Well, we'll see. This was a trial. Yes, thank you for joining us. Sorry that we keep making you watch these upsetting movies two hours so long, but thank you so much for being here. We love you dearly. Where can people follow you online? What would you like to plug? Oh? You can follow me at d I V A l A C I DVA Lacey on all platforms, Twitter, Instagram, vm oh send me your money. Other people know I scam one up in my daily life. I'm known for it. Yes, thank you blessing the people by scamming them. Um, I so hope Bechtel tests. This is a show that it's about four women. Um, that I am one of the leads and called Florida Girls. And it'll be out in April on Pop TV, also beaming on either Netflix or Hulu. I'll have more fo by then. But it's about four women and it's a comedy and we never talk about men. We don't give a funk about them. 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