The Cure's "Disintegration" (1989): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are here for a very special
<v Speaker 1>episode today.
<v Speaker 2>We are joined by.
<v Speaker 1>Our super fan, not just a fan, but a super
<v Speaker 1>fan and Patreon.
<v Speaker 2>Members Amanda Jenic. How are you doing, Amanda?
<v Speaker 3>I'm good. How about you, guys?
<v Speaker 2>We are doing great? Thank you doing awesome? Is my
<v Speaker 2>lipstick red enough? Is my lascara on the right way?
<v Speaker 2>Do I look the part?
<v Speaker 3>Look the part?
<v Speaker 2>I look like Edward scissarsans? How's my hair?
<v Speaker 3>My good.
<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen.
<v Speaker 1>We are here today to talk about The Cure and
<v Speaker 1>more specifically their album from nineteen eighty nine, Disintegration. We
<v Speaker 1>are doing this well because Amanda bought us out.
<v Speaker 2>Hey Amanda, you came on in June. I looked back
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook and you had created a little sign that said, hey, everybody,
<v Speaker 2>go listen to the Shirley Camp Be Serious podcast. Oh
<v Speaker 2>and by the way, beg Dean Jason to cover The
<v Speaker 2>Cure versus depeesch Mode. Yes, I did, and you won
<v Speaker 2>our hearts at that moment.
<v Speaker 3>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely awesome. To be honest, this is a
<v Speaker 2>little bit uncharted for de and I. This is not
<v Speaker 2>our sweet spot, and that's why we brought you on
<v Speaker 2>and why we're gonna lean on you today to help
<v Speaker 2>us out with the Cure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm ready, I'm gonna sit down. You just tell
<v Speaker 1>us what happened. Okay, we're here to talk about the Cure.
<v Speaker 1>But the Cure is a band of copious, voluminous members,
<v Speaker 1>but the only constant throughout the history of the band
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant musician. There's no other man in the world
<v Speaker 1>that I would rather buy a vo five hot oil
<v Speaker 1>gift basket for mister Robert Smith. Jason, you said it.
<v Speaker 1>This is not only I'm gonna be honest here. I
<v Speaker 1>know that I've got some people who are Cure fans
<v Speaker 1>who are tuning in. I've had some of our regular
<v Speaker 1>fans go I can't wait to hear what you've got
<v Speaker 1>to say about this. I'm gonna tell you the truth.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be completely honest at this point. I'm glad
<v Speaker 1>we have a super fan on because The Cure is
<v Speaker 1>one of the few bands in my life that when
<v Speaker 1>people are like, oh, I'm like, I don't like them,
<v Speaker 1>I do not like But having gone through this process,
<v Speaker 1>having listened to this album, having listened to some of
<v Speaker 1>their other music. I can say at this point my
<v Speaker 1>mind has been changed.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're kind of showing your hand early.
<v Speaker 3>Aren't you.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, we've got we've got another group that
<v Speaker 1>we're going to compare this to. We're going to talk
<v Speaker 1>about depeche Mode later on. And they also were not
<v Speaker 1>in there in my wheelhouse, but they are definitely more
<v Speaker 1>in my wheelhouse than The Cure.
<v Speaker 2>Ever was right.
<v Speaker 1>But my experience with The Cure was seeing Robert Smith
<v Speaker 1>and his weird tarantula hair and eyeliner in the late
<v Speaker 1>eighties and early nineties when they were becoming big on MTV,
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't a turn on for me at all.
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, this is just weird. We call
<v Speaker 1>them emos back then. The songs that I heard, we're
<v Speaker 1>not songs that I like. But this is an absolutely
<v Speaker 1>true story. When we got with our last episode and
<v Speaker 1>it was time to finally start focusing on The Cure,
<v Speaker 1>I put this album on. I started driving home and
<v Speaker 1>literally within the first two minutes of the first song,
<v Speaker 1>I was calling up Jason, going, I actually really like this,
<v Speaker 1>this is actually really good. So thank you, Amanda, You've
<v Speaker 1>turned me and so I have to say thank you.
<v Speaker 1>I have really enjoyed this album and I can't wait
<v Speaker 1>to talk to you guys in detail about the band
<v Speaker 1>and of course this epic, epic album.
<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic. Another win for me because my husband was
<v Speaker 3>exactly the same. He did not like The Cure at all,
<v Speaker 3>but all he really knew was the radio stuff like
<v Speaker 3>you know on Friday, I'm in Love. That man hates
<v Speaker 3>that song. And once I started playing more of the
<v Speaker 3>catalog for him and stop, like his mind was changed.
<v Speaker 3>And then we just saw The Cure live this summer
<v Speaker 3>when I did the sign in June. And he's a
<v Speaker 3>musician and he plays bass and stop, he is now
<v Speaker 3>a big, big, big fan.
<v Speaker 2>Can we settle something real quick before we go any further.
<v Speaker 2>Are we calling him the Cure or the Cure? Are
<v Speaker 2>you making fun of my pronounciation saying we bring on
<v Speaker 2>Miss Wisconsin and you're the one pronouncing it funny? It's
<v Speaker 2>the cure? Okay, there we go.
<v Speaker 1>It's the Cure, the Cure, Cure, Cure, I don't know, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>it's nuclear. Okay, So let's jump in. Let's start talking
<v Speaker 1>about the band. This is a band that basically you
<v Speaker 1>could say was the origin of gothrock. I was in
<v Speaker 1>love with the movie The Crow back in nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 1>I think is when it came out, and James Obarr
<v Speaker 1>had a specific reference to the cure and joy division
<v Speaker 1>getting him through this difficult spot in his life. That
<v Speaker 1>was what The Crow was based on, and so I
<v Speaker 1>understood the concept back then. But even then, other than
<v Speaker 1>that song, I do enjoy the song in the movie
<v Speaker 1>The Crow that they have, which is one where he's
<v Speaker 1>like punching the mirror and putting on the makeup for
<v Speaker 1>the first time. Uh yeah, I love it. I love
<v Speaker 1>that song. But it's always been Robert Smith's voice that
<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of mah about, especially with their
<v Speaker 1>more popular songs. So Robert was born back in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>fifty nine in Blackpool, England. We all probably remember what
<v Speaker 1>it was like to turn twenty nine and realize that
<v Speaker 1>in a year you would be thirty and so if
<v Speaker 1>you were a brilliant musician and you tried to put
<v Speaker 1>those feelings to music while also taking copious amounts of LSD, well,
<v Speaker 1>this is the album you get, and that's called Disintegration.
<v Speaker 2>Initially we were going to do kiss Me kiss Me,
<v Speaker 2>kiss Me, which is their album from nineteen eighty seven.
<v Speaker 2>But Amanda is like, uh, maybe now, guys, the Cintegration
<v Speaker 2>is the album we want to do because it's better
<v Speaker 2>and it matches up better with Depeche Modes Violator that.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, it's a far superior album. Even though Kissy Kissy
<v Speaker 3>kiss Me is my second favorite.
<v Speaker 2>Robert Smith considers it his masterpiece.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, this is his magnum opus.
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when he was a little kid, his parents
<v Speaker 1>were musicians and he and his younger sister, Janet I
<v Speaker 1>received piano lessons and Janet apparently was an absolute prodigy,
<v Speaker 1>and so because Robert was jealous and had sibling rivalry,
<v Speaker 1>he decided, well, if she's going to be great at
<v Speaker 1>the piano, I'm going to be great at the guitar
<v Speaker 1>because she can't fit her hand around the guitar, and
<v Speaker 1>so I know that she can't get better than me
<v Speaker 1>at it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I heard that his first guitar was a Christmas
<v Speaker 2>gift from his brother, but his brother said he had
<v Speaker 2>confiscated it from me anyway, so I gave it to
<v Speaker 2>him as a Christmas gift.
<v Speaker 1>But either way, he was going to have it. So
<v Speaker 1>Robert had started taking lessons from a student of John Williams. No,
<v Speaker 1>not that John Williams. There are two famous John Williams musicians.
<v Speaker 1>One of them is the composer that we know from
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars and Superman and all the others. The other
<v Speaker 1>is John Williams, a classical guitarist, and he is one
<v Speaker 1>of the most famous classical guitarists of all time. I
<v Speaker 1>had a John Williams music book growing up. I absolutely did,
<v Speaker 1>Yes Wow. But he figured out eventually that it just
<v Speaker 1>wasn't interesting to him to learn that type of guitar,
<v Speaker 1>and so he started really teaching himself.
<v Speaker 2>After that.
<v Speaker 1>He started a band when he was about fourteen years old,
<v Speaker 1>right after he officially got the guitar. We've got the band,
<v Speaker 1>Brolly Goat Band. They also called themselves the obelisk YEP,
<v Speaker 1>and with the Obelisk that was really that core group
<v Speaker 1>that started. You had Robert Smith, obviously, you had Mark
<v Speaker 1>Sicagno on guitar, Michael Dempsey on guitar, Alan Hill on bass,
<v Speaker 1>and Lowell Tollhurst on percussion. And Lowell's history with the band.
<v Speaker 2>Is in oh.
<v Speaker 3>I did want to share something interesting with you. Guys.
<v Speaker 3>His childhood idol was Jimmy Hendricks really yeah, yeah, Jimmy Hendrix.
<v Speaker 3>And he had tickets to go to the concert, but
<v Speaker 3>his brother Samon, who gave him the guitar, locked him
<v Speaker 3>in a tent and he couldn't get out of the tent.
<v Speaker 3>He missed the concert. Jimmy Hendrix passed away like two
<v Speaker 3>weeks later or something.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, no, that's terrible. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Literally, I was bouncing ideas off of James Buckley on
<v Speaker 1>the way over here today and he literally sent me
<v Speaker 1>this songs. So this is the Cure covering Purple Haze
<v Speaker 1>by Jimmy Hendrix, and it's fantastic. I mean, it's all cure,
<v Speaker 1>it's all Jimmy Hendrix.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I will tell you this. I called
<v Speaker 2>James Buckley last night. I called him. I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 2>help me out with the cure. And he loves the cure.
<v Speaker 2>And he's a rock guy, he's a rock drummer. He goes, well,
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what you need to talk to my
<v Speaker 2>lead singer, lead singer of the world famous Hidden tracks
<v Speaker 2>Hidden Track. So he gives me he works number, who
<v Speaker 2>is the singer of Hidden Tracks. He said, this guy
<v Speaker 2>loves the Cure. He's got tons of stuff. Calling twice
<v Speaker 2>didn't get ahold of the stuff. So go see Hidden
<v Speaker 2>Tracks if you're in the Louisiana area. Thanks James Buckley
<v Speaker 2>for trying to make that happen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I got some good info from James Buckley
<v Speaker 1>because I was asking him specifically about Boris Williams, the
<v Speaker 1>drummer on this album. Okay, so but I'll get into
<v Speaker 1>that a little bit later, and we start going in
<v Speaker 1>track by track. Okay, So these guys had this band
<v Speaker 1>in high school, he said. In high school they just
<v Speaker 1>called him the group because they were the only guys
<v Speaker 1>together as a group as a band, So that was
<v Speaker 1>not terribly creative, but easy to identify. And then by
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven they had finally come up with their
<v Speaker 1>real name, Easy Cure.
<v Speaker 2>So throughout this process they have all these different singers.
<v Speaker 2>All these guys come in, they all sing, I think,
<v Speaker 2>loll saying. At some point and Robert Smith's back, They're
<v Speaker 2>going playing guitar, going. These guys all suck. I hate
<v Speaker 2>all their voices. Now I hate my own boys, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but I hate my voice about as much as I
<v Speaker 2>hate their voice, so I might as well sing, and
<v Speaker 2>so that's how he ends up seeing But.
<v Speaker 3>If we're gonna have a sucky singer, it might as
<v Speaker 3>well be me.
<v Speaker 1>So back when they were still Malice, he got kicked
<v Speaker 1>out of his high school. He got expelled from high
<v Speaker 1>school because they considered him an undesirable influence after I
<v Speaker 1>guess they had done a provocative performance as Malice just
<v Speaker 1>before Christmas nineteen seventy six.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I heard that he wore addressed to school one
<v Speaker 2>day and the Catholics didn't really enjoy that either.
<v Speaker 1>Well, he said it was pretty open minded school, and
<v Speaker 1>so they were just like, yeah, Okay, it's a phase
<v Speaker 1>he's going through or whatever. But I think he may
<v Speaker 1>have inspired others to be even weirder. And his claim
<v Speaker 1>was that he got beat up after that that day.
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, he gets expelled from school. He lives on
<v Speaker 1>social Security for eight or nine months, and then when
<v Speaker 1>the money stopped, he thought, well, I guess we better
<v Speaker 1>make that demo tape.
<v Speaker 3>This is going to be a common scene through the
<v Speaker 3>whole podcast. Robert never wanted a job ever, Like he's
<v Speaker 3>like my boy Jimmy Buffett, don't work a day in
<v Speaker 3>your life like you know, but yeah, make the demo
<v Speaker 3>because he didn't want to get a job.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know, I was impressed when I went through
<v Speaker 2>the history of Robert Smith. The Cure was opening for
<v Speaker 2>Susie and the Banchees, and then right before one of
<v Speaker 2>their concerts, I guess their guitar player something happened to him.
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't go, so whit he quits.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the guitarist and the drummer of the Susie and
<v Speaker 1>the Banchees quit three days into the tour.
<v Speaker 2>So Robert Smith's like, I'll play guitar.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're like yeah, right, And so they went
<v Speaker 1>through several other guitarists and then they came back and
<v Speaker 1>they're like, Okay, do you really think that you can
<v Speaker 1>do this? Yes, and you can do your own show.
<v Speaker 1>Of course I can do it. And he did it.
<v Speaker 2>He said, I'll do it as long as the Cure
<v Speaker 2>can still open for Susie in the Banchees.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, save the opening band by saving the lead band, right.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. I think it's cool. They talked about how
<v Speaker 2>that experience taught him how to be a true front man. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>At some point he said, can I borrow your lipstick.
<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 1>Susie's look, not just her performance, but her look were
<v Speaker 1>what inspired what we now know as the Robert Smith look.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we get off the early days of The Cure,
<v Speaker 2>I have to go back to a time when The
<v Speaker 2>Cure was opening for the band Generation X. Does that
<v Speaker 2>ring a bell for you? The band Generation X? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Because Generation X is where Billy Idol came from.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So while they're on tour with Generation X, huh,
<v Speaker 2>Lowell goes into the bathroom to relieve himself and in
<v Speaker 2>the cull he finds Billy Idol having sex with a groupie,
<v Speaker 2>and since he cannot be bothered, Lowell just peas on
<v Speaker 2>Billy Idol's leg while with a groupie drunk.
<v Speaker 1>Well, when you gotta go, you gotta go.
<v Speaker 2>That got them kicked off the tour way to go.
<v Speaker 2>Billy wasn't apply happy by that. It was a distraction.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing something, dude, don't be on my legs. Tell
<v Speaker 2>me it's training.
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking talking about how awesome a guitarist Robert
<v Speaker 1>Smith is. When the Banshees were trying to figure out
<v Speaker 1>who they were going to have replaced like nobody could
<v Speaker 1>come up and just do it. And when they said, Robert,
<v Speaker 1>let's see what you can do, he knew their songs already.
<v Speaker 1>He was able to crank it out. He really, truly
<v Speaker 1>is a brilliant musician, and he's well known for having
<v Speaker 1>in his first several albums. Has this Woolworth's Top twenty guitar,
<v Speaker 1>which is just a cheap, not particularly great guitar that
<v Speaker 1>he managed to crank out some amazing ethereal sounds from.
<v Speaker 1>He bought it for twenty pounds in nineteen seventy eight.
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<v Speaker 1>So by seventy eight seventy nine they condensed their name
<v Speaker 1>from Easy Cure down to Just the Cure, and Smith
<v Speaker 1>ends up composing and recording demo versions of some of
<v Speaker 1>their definitive early songs. He plays it on his sisters
<v Speaker 1>Ham and Organ with built in tape recorder, including the
<v Speaker 1>song ten to fifteen Saturday Night.
<v Speaker 3>It Was Boys Don't Cry Firing Cairo ten to fifteen
<v Speaker 3>on a Saturday night and it's not you were their
<v Speaker 3>four songs on their demo and he was sixteen years old. Wow, sixteen.
<v Speaker 3>Something else to mention about when they you know, these
<v Speaker 3>early years or whatever. Mary Pool, She's going to come
<v Speaker 3>up a lot. But he met her when he was
<v Speaker 3>fourteen years old and they got married in eighty eight
<v Speaker 3>and they are still together. He met her when he
<v Speaker 3>was fourteen. The rumor on the street is their first
<v Speaker 3>date was going to see the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
<v Speaker 2>I saw a quote in regards to their family they've
<v Speaker 2>never had children, and I guess somebody asked him and sad,
<v Speaker 2>why haven't you guys had kids. He's like, well, I
<v Speaker 2>don't like living enough to have choice. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a deep philosophy with him. Yeah, he feels
<v Speaker 1>like that becoming a parent is an act of tyranny,
<v Speaker 1>like you're forcing someone to be born who didn't ask
<v Speaker 1>to be born.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks mom.
<v Speaker 1>So they end their tour with Susie and the Banshees
<v Speaker 1>and he goes back to recording with Strictly the Cure.
<v Speaker 1>He ends up writing and composing most of the music
<v Speaker 1>for the album seventeen Seconds, using the Hammond that we mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>and a drum machine and that top twenty worldworth guitar
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about. He wrote most of the lyrics
<v Speaker 1>in one night in Newcastle for that album One night, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>When he was drunk, And that's also a common theme.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you and I were talking before we started recording, Amanda.
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about a lot of these songs, maybe
<v Speaker 2>the whole album is it's not verse verse, fridge chorus verse.
<v Speaker 2>It's almost poetry with layers of synth and guitar and melody.
<v Speaker 1>M h.
<v Speaker 2>It's very different than what I'm used to. But I
<v Speaker 2>was swept away in it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's like a circus of the mind. Like I
<v Speaker 3>told you before, you think a song's going to end,
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, Nope, it just gets
<v Speaker 3>bigger that and all of a sudden, ni crescendo is
<v Speaker 3>even higher that.
<v Speaker 2>The first time I was listening to this, I was like, Okay, great,
<v Speaker 2>this is an instrumental Nope, just takes four minutes for
<v Speaker 2>him to start singing.
<v Speaker 3>Yah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So for the first four albums, the entire band was
<v Speaker 1>given songwriting credits.
<v Speaker 2>First four albums are Three Imaginary Boys, Seventeen Seconds, Faith,
<v Speaker 2>and pornography, and.
<v Speaker 1>So that was basically every year, right seventy nine, eighty
<v Speaker 1>eighty one, eighty two, yep. It was another couple of
<v Speaker 1>years before they came out with the next album, which
<v Speaker 1>was called The Top nineteen eighty four yep. And then
<v Speaker 1>later on that year, Andy Anderson, who was their drummer,
<v Speaker 1>got into a racially motivated incident with a security guard
<v Speaker 1>and then destroyed a hotel room because of it, and
<v Speaker 1>so they fired him, okay, And that is when they
<v Speaker 1>hired Boris Williams, who was the drummer that would be
<v Speaker 1>on their next couple of albums and the album that
<v Speaker 1>we're here to talk about today. So the next couple
<v Speaker 1>in the mix, we've got the Head on the Door.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. And then we've got kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss Me.
<v Speaker 1>Now, there's another album that's out there called Japanese Whispers,
<v Speaker 1>and this is their This is like their B sides
<v Speaker 1>and some of their other stuff. And this was the
<v Speaker 1>album that I sent to you guys, and I said,
<v Speaker 1>this is like happy little pop music by the Cure.
<v Speaker 1>I listened to several of his songs. I'm like, this
<v Speaker 1>is actually kind of fun. I like like the happy
<v Speaker 1>Robert Smith.
<v Speaker 3>The way we walk, the.
<v Speaker 2>Way wait talk, way we stalk.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, he he's a funny guy. He's got a reputation.
<v Speaker 3>He's a funny bloke if I may, But he's got
<v Speaker 3>that reputation of just being a goofball. You know, you
<v Speaker 3>watch the interviews and stuff too. They're mind blowing. They're
<v Speaker 3>just they're so fun to watch because he's just funny.
<v Speaker 3>He's cracking jokes, he's making fun of people, makes fun
<v Speaker 3>of himself like, he's got a great sense of humor.
<v Speaker 1>I just got to give credit to him that after
<v Speaker 1>this many years. I mean, I don't remember when he
<v Speaker 1>adopted the look for sure, but we're talking about late seventies,
<v Speaker 1>probably he has not given up the mask era, the
<v Speaker 1>lipstick or the crazy hair. Like Eddie Van Halen cut
<v Speaker 1>his hair, David Lee Roth cut his hair, the guys
<v Speaker 1>from Metallica all cut their hair. Even Lane Staley cut
<v Speaker 1>his hair. Robert Smith, No, he is, he did.
<v Speaker 3>He did at one point. I mean, let you guys,
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna say this. He is hot, Okay, He's
<v Speaker 3>just a beautiful, beautiful man. And there was a time
<v Speaker 3>when he got sick of everybody talking about his hair
<v Speaker 3>because like people would show up to shows and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and nothing irritated him more than when you go to
<v Speaker 3>a show and see all these people dressed like him,
<v Speaker 3>their hair like him, everything. So he did he'd completely
<v Speaker 3>cut his hair or whatever, and he hated that even
<v Speaker 3>more so he just grew it back. But that's probably
<v Speaker 3>Earl mid eighties maybe. But if you see the pictures
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, it doesn't look like the same person Smith.
<v Speaker 2>I saw that picture and actually James Buckley sent it
<v Speaker 2>to me. He sent me a comparison. Here's Robert Smith
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty six, clean cut, collared shirt and a
<v Speaker 2>picture of Ben Affleck right next to him. It looked
<v Speaker 2>like twins.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I can see it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but interesting note you were talking about, you know,
<v Speaker 3>their first couple albums and stuff. I don't know if
<v Speaker 3>you guys read about this at all, but stef teen Seconds,
<v Speaker 3>Faith and Pornography. They're considered the Suicide trilogy because it's
<v Speaker 3>three records together that are the most depressing records you
<v Speaker 3>will ever listen to in your life, especially Faith. Like
<v Speaker 3>I tell people, don't listen to the Faith album, not
<v Speaker 3>George Michael's Faith, but their Faith. Don't listen to that.
<v Speaker 3>If you're not in the right mindset, because if you're
<v Speaker 3>depressed already or whatever, that thing's going to put you
<v Speaker 3>over the edge. That trilogy of albums is They're amazing.
<v Speaker 3>They are gifts to you know, gifts to the world.
<v Speaker 3>But they're heavy.
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting very close to ready to jump in track
<v Speaker 1>by track yep.
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like Amanda that I need to ask
<v Speaker 2>you tell me about the Forest.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you that is the song that flipped
<v Speaker 3>my husband from being a cure hater to a cure lover.
<v Speaker 3>He's my husband plays bass. He's not in a band
<v Speaker 3>or anything right now, but he's very judgmental. I guess
<v Speaker 3>about music and if you know musicians are talented, or
<v Speaker 3>if they're male it in or if it's all synthesizers,
<v Speaker 3>you know that whatever. And I played The Forest for
<v Speaker 3>him one night and he lost his mind. It's so
<v Speaker 3>good the last minute and a half of that song.
<v Speaker 3>Will god see I just get speechless, you guys. But
<v Speaker 3>watch the video. Sometimes it's an eighties nightmare, but it's
<v Speaker 3>a song from the seventies, but it's like neon vomit
<v Speaker 3>all over your screen. It's yellows and greens and pinks,
<v Speaker 3>and everything, But that song is widely considered one of
<v Speaker 3>the favorites by the die hard Cure face outside of
<v Speaker 3>the radio heavy stuff and everything, because it's deep, it's brilliant,
<v Speaker 3>it's just it's amazing. I think it's important to mention
<v Speaker 3>you guys with their music, all their albums and stuff too,
<v Speaker 3>they purposely, well Robert specifically went out of their way
<v Speaker 3>to make music that they didn't think people would want
<v Speaker 3>to hear, because as they started getting more popular and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and they realized all of a sudden, they were turning
<v Speaker 3>into those enough boys and stuff, and that's never what
<v Speaker 3>they wanted. Robert Smith never ever wanted fame. He doesn't
<v Speaker 3>care about the money, and a lot of artists say that,
<v Speaker 3>you gotta believe this dude was like he lives in
<v Speaker 3>like a monk, you know, like money does not matter
<v Speaker 3>to him. But they would specifically write songs that they
<v Speaker 3>didn't think people would like or that the label would hate.
<v Speaker 2>That leads us right into what I was getting ready
<v Speaker 2>to say about this album. He sits down. He was
<v Speaker 2>not pleased with the popularity that they had achieved from
<v Speaker 2>kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss Me. They were MTV darlings,
<v Speaker 2>you know, just like Heaven is a great little pop song.
<v Speaker 2>The album was super well received, they became popular, and
<v Speaker 2>because of that, they became successful, and therefore he became depressed.
<v Speaker 3>He was always depressed a factor.
<v Speaker 2>That's true. You know, It's like we're saying when Wilt
<v Speaker 2>Chamberlain was tall, exactly exactly, Well, nothing pisses me off
<v Speaker 2>more than success and money and you know, having it all.
<v Speaker 2>But so he's twenty nine, on the edge of thirty.
<v Speaker 2>He looks around, I'm mister popularity. The record company wants
<v Speaker 2>me to make a sequel to kiss Me, kiss Me,
<v Speaker 2>kiss Me. I don't really want to do that. I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to make my magnum opus because I want to
<v Speaker 2>put my stamp on the world before I'm thirty years old.
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to do what I want to do.
<v Speaker 2>And so when he finished Disintegration, he sat back and thought,
<v Speaker 2>this is the best I'm ever going to do. This
<v Speaker 2>is my magnum opus. This is awesome. I've outdone myself.
<v Speaker 2>And he brought it to the record executives. So when
<v Speaker 2>he plays it for them, it's sort of like, hmm,
<v Speaker 2>They're all kind of cross armed and like, and so
<v Speaker 2>they after listening to it very lukewarm reception. They tell
<v Speaker 2>him you're being willfully obscure. He thought it was a masterpiece,
<v Speaker 2>and they thought it was a pile of crap, very
<v Speaker 2>similar to what we had discussed earlier on the Unexcess
<v Speaker 2>Kick album. When they brought it to the record executives,
<v Speaker 2>those guys offered him a million bucks to start over.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like you're stament about it being a lukewarm reception,
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little generous because they actually called the album
<v Speaker 3>commercial suicide.
<v Speaker 1>That's not very lukewarm, right, Yeah, And it turns out
<v Speaker 1>they were exactly right because when the album was released,
<v Speaker 1>it was the best selling album they had ever had.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got something for you before we get started
<v Speaker 2>on the track by track. I found this fascinating. So
<v Speaker 2>when they were recording the album, they recorded it at
<v Speaker 2>hook End Manor, which I guess was David Gilmour's old house,
<v Speaker 2>David Gilmore from Pink Floyd. And so they're recording this
<v Speaker 2>between November of eighty eight and February of eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>During this time, a fire broke out in Robert Smith's
<v Speaker 2>living quarters due to a like an electrical heater. The
<v Speaker 2>electrical heater that he had in his room, catches his
<v Speaker 2>room on fire. Does he care about his belongings? No?
<v Speaker 2>Does he care that his room is on fire? No,
<v Speaker 2>but he does have a satchel of lyrics for the
<v Speaker 2>album Disintegration pre recording, and so he said, they all
<v Speaker 2>joined hands, like made a chain with towels around their
<v Speaker 2>head so they wouldn't burn. And he had to go
<v Speaker 2>in because he was the only one who knew where
<v Speaker 2>that statue where the lyrics were, and so they literally
<v Speaker 2>risked their lives to save the lyrics to this album.
<v Speaker 2>And when he found it, of course there's fire and
<v Speaker 2>smoke and all this stuff. They put out the fire.
<v Speaker 2>The fireman actually yelled at him them collectively and they said,
<v Speaker 2>you guys, your lives are way more important than a
<v Speaker 2>stupid bag full of papers. And Robert Smith's like, you
<v Speaker 2>guys don't know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't know who you're talking to.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. I found that very interesting.
<v Speaker 3>That is that is interesting. So you know, Two, it's
<v Speaker 3>worth noting he's on record talking about when they were
<v Speaker 3>recording this album that he went into what he called
<v Speaker 3>a monk state where he refused to talk to people,
<v Speaker 3>and he wanted to make recording the album as uncomfortable
<v Speaker 3>as possible to enhance the vibe of the album awesome.
<v Speaker 2>One more thing, I thought this was interesting. In the
<v Speaker 2>liner notes, there's a sentence that says, this music has
<v Speaker 2>been made to be played loud, so turn it up.
<v Speaker 3>Well, every time I sent you guys want im like
<v Speaker 3>headphones on volume up?
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's jump in track by track. First song on
<v Speaker 1>the album is called plain song. Okay, So as the
<v Speaker 1>album starts off, I got to crank up the volume
<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, did I put did it hit?
<v Speaker 2>Play? What happened did I get? Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Oh, It's like I'm listening to the wind chimes at
<v Speaker 1>Nana's house. This is so nice, This makes me feel
<v Speaker 1>so good. And then boom, slam in my face. You
<v Speaker 1>get this orchestra of amazing sound.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hm, you get book three minutes of that until
<v Speaker 3>anything else kicks in. So it's just it's gorgeous. It's
<v Speaker 3>absolutely gorgeous. Their last two are not this one, but
<v Speaker 3>the one previous. I believe it was twenty eighteen. They
<v Speaker 3>did a concert at Hyde Park in England and that
<v Speaker 3>was their opening song for the concert. Talk about setting
<v Speaker 3>a mood like you know what you're in for. The
<v Speaker 3>opening lyrics, I think it's dark and it looks like rain,
<v Speaker 3>you said. And the wind is blowing like it's the
<v Speaker 3>end of the world, you said. First lyrics on this CD,
<v Speaker 3>that repetition of that you said. It just hits, man,
<v Speaker 3>it just hits like you said. You think you're in
<v Speaker 3>for this nice, peaceful, you know, orchestra song. And then
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, no, I know what you're doing here, Robert,
<v Speaker 3>I got your number.
<v Speaker 2>So I think this is the perfect intro song for
<v Speaker 2>a concert for me. I envision, you know, a little backlit.
<v Speaker 2>They're actually taking the stage. You see them picking up
<v Speaker 2>the instruments as this is getting going, and once again
<v Speaker 2>the first totally instrumental, and then you think, okay, this
<v Speaker 2>is a great grand entrance. And then he starts singing
<v Speaker 2>halfway through and then.
<v Speaker 3>Continues with lyrics like and it's so cold, it's like
<v Speaker 3>the cold if you were dead. Then you smiled for
<v Speaker 3>a second. Sometimes you make me feel like I'm living
<v Speaker 3>at the edge of the world. It's just the way
<v Speaker 3>I smile. You side.
<v Speaker 2>The feel is hopeful, in melodic and grand, and the
<v Speaker 2>lyrics are about bad weather and.
<v Speaker 3>Death, right, and that's what the cure is. Though, they'll
<v Speaker 3>they'll flip those emotions on their heads. You know where
<v Speaker 3>you've got this. You know some of these songs, these
<v Speaker 3>really upbeat, cheery melodies with these gloom and doom lyrics,
<v Speaker 3>and then other songs you've got where it almost sounds
<v Speaker 3>dark and haunting and demented and everything. But then those
<v Speaker 3>they're the most beautiful lyrics. They flip those emotions on
<v Speaker 3>their head.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. This is a great way to start
<v Speaker 2>the album. I was hooked in from the beginning. I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was beautiful. I'm with you.
<v Speaker 1>Three minutes into the song and I'm calling I'm Jason
<v Speaker 1>doing I've totally flipped. I've done a one to eighty
<v Speaker 1>on this.
<v Speaker 2>This is amazing.
<v Speaker 3>You love to hear it all right.
<v Speaker 2>Next song on the album is a song called Pictures
<v Speaker 2>of You.
<v Speaker 1>So it was at this point in the album that
<v Speaker 1>I really started tuning in to Boris Williams drums.
<v Speaker 2>His drums are unique, they're powerful, they're epic.
<v Speaker 1>I think they speak in each and every one of
<v Speaker 1>the songs on this album, but he does it in
<v Speaker 1>a masterful way where he's not overpowering the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the music. He is accentuating the rest of the music, which,
<v Speaker 1>again this is a perfect example of what they do,
<v Speaker 1>builds layer by layer by layer as you're going through here.
<v Speaker 1>Pictures of You was based on an essay by Myra
<v Speaker 1>Paleo called The Dark Power of Ritual Pictures. After Robert
<v Speaker 1>Smith read, he decided to destroy all of his old
<v Speaker 1>photos and home videos as a way to erase his past,
<v Speaker 1>and then he regretted afterwords.
<v Speaker 2>The mansel savage see, I heard a completely different story
<v Speaker 2>on this song. And the interesting thing like in interviews
<v Speaker 2>he'll give different accounts that clash, so you don't really
<v Speaker 2>know what's the truth. But I heard that the inspiration
<v Speaker 2>for this song is from that fire where they were
<v Speaker 2>saving the lyrics or whatever, and he was sifting through
<v Speaker 2>the fire damaged remains and he came across a picture
<v Speaker 2>of his wife, and supposedly that picture is on the
<v Speaker 2>cover of the single.
<v Speaker 3>He tells different accounts of everything, like constantly contradicts himself
<v Speaker 3>and stuff yes on their toes.
<v Speaker 2>He's not afraid to lie, that's for sure. So this
<v Speaker 2>was the fourth single released March nineteenth of nineteen ninety. Now,
<v Speaker 2>the interesting thing the video The music video was shot
<v Speaker 2>in Scotland and was a week before this big snow
<v Speaker 2>that hit there and according to Robert Smith filming that video,
<v Speaker 2>he has never been colder in his life.
<v Speaker 3>That I almost love my.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is the best song on the album
<v Speaker 2>Bike the Football early best song the album Wow. You
<v Speaker 2>know who else kind of agrees with me. Rolling Stone
<v Speaker 2>marked this as the two hundred and eighty third out
<v Speaker 2>of the five hundred Greatest Songs of All Time.
<v Speaker 3>It's a good song.
<v Speaker 2>You're not with me? I can tell you're not with me.
<v Speaker 3>I love them all.
<v Speaker 1>The first several songs on this are all bangers.
<v Speaker 2>Side one is strong.
<v Speaker 3>This is just that you know it's it has that
<v Speaker 3>more upbeat tone to it. This is where I feel
<v Speaker 3>like Simon Galp just shines on that face. The first
<v Speaker 3>couple of minutes of this song, or You are just unbelievable,
<v Speaker 3>keys front and center there, totally love and anguish. But
<v Speaker 3>it's painful also somehow uplifting. It's funny because about five
<v Speaker 3>minutes forty five seconds into the song or so, you
<v Speaker 3>can feel that something's about to change. Minute six on
<v Speaker 3>the dot, he hits you in the face. Was with
<v Speaker 3>there was nothing in the world that I ever wanted
<v Speaker 3>more than it feel you deep in my heart. There
<v Speaker 3>was nothing in the world I ever wanted more than
<v Speaker 3>to never feel the breaking of art my pictures of you.
<v Speaker 3>I'm done. I can't. It slays me in every way.
<v Speaker 3>But just minute six on the dot, he's like, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not done.
<v Speaker 2>Well, oh no, I'm not done. That's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>This one, like You Said, was the last single that
<v Speaker 1>they released, at number seventy one on the Billboard Hot
<v Speaker 1>one hundred, number nineteen on alternative airplay. I'm definitely putting
<v Speaker 1>it as a top finisher on the album.
<v Speaker 3>Every time I hear this song, though, I think about
<v Speaker 3>Junior High. That was the crush song. That's the song
<v Speaker 3>that you play in your head when you were just
<v Speaker 3>staring at Bryan.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, is Brian your husband's name?
<v Speaker 3>No, that was my crush.
<v Speaker 1>That was crush.
<v Speaker 3>Open.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, Brian. If you're listening podcast, we want
<v Speaker 2>to hear from you right.
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Sorry for those looks across the room that might
<v Speaker 3>have made you uncomfortable.
<v Speaker 1>That's actually a good question. How did you get introduced
<v Speaker 1>to the band in the first place?
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you guys this is while Okay, I was not
<v Speaker 3>a Cure fan until ten years ago. Like, I liked
<v Speaker 3>some of their stuff, but I don't know, something ten
<v Speaker 3>years ago started listening to it more and more, more
<v Speaker 3>of the deep cuts and stuff, really paying attention to
<v Speaker 3>the lyrics and stuff, and they just spoke to me.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Before that it was just so I like
<v Speaker 3>the radio stuff. But and now just unapologetic about it.
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't even tell you the first time that I
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, you know, the first song I heard
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, but about yeah, about ten years ago. So,
<v Speaker 3>but my music tastes are very eclectic. They're all over
<v Speaker 3>the map. When you're ranking out bands that I love,
<v Speaker 3>you know, my tops are the Cure, Allison Chains, the
<v Speaker 3>Doombie Brothers, Steely Dance.
<v Speaker 1>That is a varied mix right there. That is a
<v Speaker 1>very varied mix right there.
<v Speaker 3>They've all got something to say and they're saying it
<v Speaker 3>beautifully nice.
<v Speaker 2>You know who the old drummer to Steely Dan was
<v Speaker 2>Chevy Chase. No, it's truth, that's.
<v Speaker 1>The truth before they became the Steely Dan.
<v Speaker 2>Steely Dan that we know today.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have things now. I know what. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>read a book.
<v Speaker 2>All right, we ready to move on.
<v Speaker 1>The third song is another song where they take two
<v Speaker 1>words that are separate words and stick them together and
<v Speaker 1>make them one word songs called closed Down, time Out.
<v Speaker 2>I love this.
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for Mike to kiss eleven for the first time.
<v Speaker 1>This is eighties gold right here, absolute eighties synth gold.
<v Speaker 3>The drums are what get me on that song that
<v Speaker 3>very Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The drums sound like when you go see like the
<v Speaker 2>Broadway show of the Lion King. You know, it's like.
<v Speaker 3>Tribal.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Boris Williams is going after the toms at the beginning
<v Speaker 1>of this, and like I said, it absolutely fits.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>You've got you've got this build and then it comes
<v Speaker 1>in with the synthesizer.
<v Speaker 2>It's just beautiful. Yeah. I mean you start with the drums,
<v Speaker 2>you bring in that synth that raises it, and then
<v Speaker 2>you have the guitar, bass and the vocals. It's just
<v Speaker 2>a they build it from the ground up before you're
<v Speaker 2>very tears.
<v Speaker 3>It's and that's a theme with all their songs. It
<v Speaker 3>keeps building in and you're waiting for that pressure at lease,
<v Speaker 3>but he doesn't give it to us.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's building but you listen in the
<v Speaker 3>beginning in the end, and they're pretty much the same
<v Speaker 3>level all the way through, but it feels like it's building.
<v Speaker 1>There are literally seven lines of lyrics in this entire song.
<v Speaker 1>Seven lines of lyrics. But this one goes back to
<v Speaker 1>the inspiration for the album, the twenty ninth birthday.
<v Speaker 2>We're about to reach the.
<v Speaker 1>End of youth. Nobody's making good music after they turn thirty.
<v Speaker 1>And so what's the first lyric of the song. I'm
<v Speaker 1>running out of time, I'm out of step and closing down.
<v Speaker 3>And then he ends with if only I could fill
<v Speaker 3>my heart with love.
<v Speaker 2>Here's what he said on that.
<v Speaker 1>He said several of the tracks on this album he
<v Speaker 1>is thinking about the feeling of being washed up.
<v Speaker 2>And this is his quote. The biggest frustration.
<v Speaker 1>Of getting older is not being able to feel strong
<v Speaker 1>emotions anymore.
<v Speaker 2>He says.
<v Speaker 1>Cynicism enters your world and you get numb. I cannot
<v Speaker 1>agree with you more, friend, I wish I could feel
<v Speaker 1>the way I felt when I was twenty nine years old.
<v Speaker 3>Again, you've got that juxtaposition of that happy, more upbeat
<v Speaker 3>sound to it, but those depressing lyrics. It messles with
<v Speaker 3>the mind again.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we're about to cure that with the
<v Speaker 2>next song. I feel, pardon the pun. There fourth song
<v Speaker 2>on the album, which is the third single, is called
<v Speaker 2>love Song.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to try not to say too much
<v Speaker 1>about my feelings on the song because I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to upset Amanda.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you're fine, hey, like this one.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of their popular songs that I was
<v Speaker 1>familiar with that I was just like, Eh, this doesn't
<v Speaker 1>It's just it doesn't appeal to me.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 1>I know that he wrote it as a wedding present
<v Speaker 1>for his wife, and that's beautiful and sweet and all,
<v Speaker 1>but the sound voice on this one, it's not my
<v Speaker 1>cup of tea, and it's that I'm in the minority, right.
<v Speaker 1>It's like one of their biggest hits of all time.
<v Speaker 2>It reached number two on the Hot one hundred, number two. Amanda,
<v Speaker 2>what do you think I love this song?
<v Speaker 3>I do. I love it. It's not my favorite though.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it doesn't super surprise me that you said that,
<v Speaker 3>because honestly, it's not one of my super favorites either.
<v Speaker 3>I love the fact that he tried to write like
<v Speaker 3>just a simple love song, you know, but in true
<v Speaker 3>Robert Fashion. Even he couldn't do that. It's still had
<v Speaker 3>to be haunting, you know. But it is their only
<v Speaker 3>song in the catalog. Really, that's truly about love.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're both crazy. This is a great song. This
<v Speaker 2>is radio friendly hit. This is what would play on
<v Speaker 2>MTV always on the top forty is radio friendly hit.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you don't like it. Listen to
<v Speaker 2>this top five from October twenty first, nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big nineteen eighty nine guy. Listen this top five.
<v Speaker 2>Number five you have Mixed Emotions by the Rolling Stones,
<v Speaker 2>the Return of the Rolling Stones. Number four, You've got
<v Speaker 2>Listened to your Heart by rock Set Eighties gold, number
<v Speaker 2>three Sowing the Seeds of Love by Tears for Fears
<v Speaker 2>maybe their best song ever and an ode to the Beatles.
<v Speaker 2>Absolute gold. Number two you have a love Song by
<v Speaker 2>The Cure, maybe their most radio friendly hit. And then
<v Speaker 2>number one, You've Got Miss You Much by Janet Jackson.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome eighties song. That's a power Top five right there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you were doing which of these things is
<v Speaker 1>not like the other? In this one, I have no
<v Speaker 1>doubt that love song is to not like the other.
<v Speaker 2>It is not like the other, that's for sure. I
<v Speaker 2>like this one. I think it's great.
<v Speaker 3>It is it's a great song.
<v Speaker 1>Can I be honest about this. I hate to say
<v Speaker 1>this to hit I hate to say. Have you guys
<v Speaker 1>heard the three eleven tober of this song?
<v Speaker 3>Yes?
<v Speaker 2>I love love and cover the song so good.
<v Speaker 3>It's so good. You should put a snip of that.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we should listen to We should listen to that.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that three eleven version. It's like reggae. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's reggae, but it's still very true to
<v Speaker 2>the song. It is so true to the song. And
<v Speaker 2>I did that. Guy's voice is not the Robert Smith
<v Speaker 2>voice that I don't like. Okay, d pop quiz Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>quick poll ready love song by Cure, A song by
<v Speaker 2>Tesla Ready Go absurd, absurd, same time period. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So that's literally how the conversation started. When I said
<v Speaker 1>to Jason, which album are we doing? And he said Disintegration,
<v Speaker 1>and like, what's the big song off of that one?
<v Speaker 1>And he's like a love song and like love songs
<v Speaker 1>like Tesla.
<v Speaker 2>I love that. This is mostly one of my favorite
<v Speaker 2>Tesla songs.
<v Speaker 1>Well, once again they've slammed those words together. And whereas
<v Speaker 1>with Tesla you have love song, this one is love song.
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's cool that was written as a
<v Speaker 1>wedding present. You kind of glost over that, but that's
<v Speaker 1>a really cool thing. Again to Mary Pool is longtime
<v Speaker 1>love from his early teenage days. I heard a guy
<v Speaker 1>talking about love song and how it's uplifting.
<v Speaker 2>And sort of loving and light for this album. He said,
<v Speaker 2>it's like love song is the lamp to help you
<v Speaker 2>illumine the dark corners of this album because.
<v Speaker 3>You need a break from everything that's going on.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I completely your wrists.
<v Speaker 3>Fun fact about Mary Pool though, too, she doesn't even
<v Speaker 3>like The Cure. She doesn't like most of their music.
<v Speaker 2>What we gotta be kidding what she said?
<v Speaker 3>Mary Pool? Yeah, his wife doesn't even like most of
<v Speaker 3>The Cure's music.
<v Speaker 2>That does not surprise me at all. I do to
<v Speaker 2>be kidding me.
<v Speaker 1>I do not think my wife has listened to a
<v Speaker 1>single podcast that we've ever done. She never came to
<v Speaker 1>a Sunday school class when I was teaching, like.
<v Speaker 2>Literally nothing, that's crazy though, I mean it bought our
<v Speaker 2>house and puts food on her table nuts. Well there,
<v Speaker 2>she's honest lipstick on her husband's face every night.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Other fun fact about this song though, Robert Smith says
<v Speaker 3>it's the weakest song on the album Wow Wow, and
<v Speaker 3>he wrote it for his wife, but he considers it
<v Speaker 3>the weakest song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>That ingrad who doesn't like my music.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's thinking, she's not gonna listen to this anyways.
<v Speaker 1>Get this done that way, I've at least satisfied the
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a song for you, honey, I get flowers.
<v Speaker 3>I want a song written about me.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly right, Okay, Jason, Before we keep going, there is
<v Speaker 1>a podcast that you and I just discovered which is
<v Speaker 1>fan freakantastic that I wanted to tell everybody about.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's called Famous and Gravy. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>A couple of guys very much like ourselves, same generation.
<v Speaker 1>They have that kind of same talking back and forth
<v Speaker 1>with chemistry. Michael Osborne and am At Kapoor. They have
<v Speaker 1>this really awesome format and it just keeps you engaged
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast the whole freaking time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they talk about a person who is dead
<v Speaker 2>and whether or not you would want to have their life.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a cool thing. They're inspirational They're very positive,
<v Speaker 2>thought provoking. I enjoy this.
<v Speaker 1>They break it up into like ten or eleven different categories.
<v Speaker 1>First one is the obituary of this person, right, and
<v Speaker 1>then the last one is the James Vanderbet category of.
<v Speaker 2>I Don't want your life and it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>And they've got a Malcovich category in there, which is
<v Speaker 1>my absolute favorite. But you guys should totally go check
<v Speaker 1>these guys out. They cover athletes, they cover rock stars,
<v Speaker 1>just I mean anybody and everybody.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they've covered any money. Luke Perry, I forgot
<v Speaker 2>he died, Brad Willard, Gene Wilder, Bill Paxton, Hank Aaron,
<v Speaker 2>Alan Rickman.
<v Speaker 1>You told me you found a Bill Paxton nugget in
<v Speaker 1>one of their podcasts.
<v Speaker 2>From them, according to their podcast, I learned this stuff. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Bill Paxon, do you know the song fish Heads fish
<v Speaker 2>Heads fish Headish Yeah. Bill Paxton was the director of
<v Speaker 2>that music video.
<v Speaker 1>Shut up, Yes, dude. I love these guys. They are
<v Speaker 1>fantastic guys. If you have not checked out the Famous
<v Speaker 1>and Gravy podcast, definitely go check that out.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. Okay, moving on to the next song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>This song is called Last Dance son, turn that off.
<v Speaker 3>Also a banger.
<v Speaker 2>It is a banger.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, sorry, let's go back to the cure.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what I've got on this one is that
<v Speaker 1>this is the feeling that you have when you meet
<v Speaker 1>someone that you haven't seen for a long time and
<v Speaker 1>you used to have very strong feelings for them and
<v Speaker 1>you don't anymore, and you suddenly realize it's horrible sensation.
<v Speaker 2>This is the one song on the album that I
<v Speaker 2>would mark down as a skipper. Oh my, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>this one doesn't do anything for me.
<v Speaker 3>I think this song is brilliant really to be my
<v Speaker 3>second favorite on the album.
<v Speaker 2>What yeah, okay, well help me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It's a musical circus again. You know, you think
<v Speaker 3>you're going in one direction, you go in a completely
<v Speaker 3>the other direction. It sounds very pointed, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>he's talking about a woman. What else could it be?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he says it written the lyrics you know
<v Speaker 3>where a girl, you know where a woman is, where
<v Speaker 3>a girl once stood. But in listening to the lyrics
<v Speaker 3>and stuff and thinking about what was happening at the
<v Speaker 3>time with Lowell getting ousted from the band that broke him,
<v Speaker 3>that broke Robert. Okay, childhood best friends. The rest of
<v Speaker 3>the band wanted to get rid of him for a
<v Speaker 3>long time, and he kept him in there and it
<v Speaker 3>broke him when he had to. He wrote him a
<v Speaker 3>letter you guys to kick him out of the band
<v Speaker 3>and said, just please don't come back. Don't try and
<v Speaker 3>change my mind. You know this is nothing against you, basically,
<v Speaker 3>it's not you, it's me. But if you listen to
<v Speaker 3>the lyrics, knowing that all that was going on, all
<v Speaker 3>the alcohol abviews that was taking place at the time
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, and then you hear lyrics like to see
<v Speaker 3>how we're ending this last dance together? This is the
<v Speaker 3>last album that Loue was involved in, and he knew
<v Speaker 3>he was going to have to kick him out. Christmas
<v Speaker 3>falls late, flatter and colder and never as bright as
<v Speaker 3>when we used to fall. We were good back in
<v Speaker 3>the day, look at us now type thing. And I
<v Speaker 3>really believe that this was forever. Honestly think that this
<v Speaker 3>song not necessarily was written about that situation, but reflects
<v Speaker 3>what was going on in the time and played a
<v Speaker 3>big part in the lyrics of this song.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Amanda, You're wrong on this one.
<v Speaker 1>This was a banger for me, This is not a skipper.
<v Speaker 1>This is the first one that I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I got to make a note on this song because
<v Speaker 1>I like some of these things that are going on
<v Speaker 1>so much. I think the guitar playing in this is
<v Speaker 1>absolutely beautiful. And then when he sings this is the
<v Speaker 1>song that I love Robert Smith's voice on. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>this is the song that I'm like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 1>this is like a pink Floyd's.
<v Speaker 3>It's the best voice for this song.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so far, to me, we've had banger banger banger
<v Speaker 1>on this. They've all been fantastic. I don't see a
<v Speaker 1>definite end insight. I didn't like love song that was
<v Speaker 1>the skipper for me. But jumping back in on Last Dance,
<v Speaker 1>we start a ride up a roller coaster and there's
<v Speaker 1>no stopping it.
<v Speaker 2>Moving on to the next song on the album, this
<v Speaker 2>song is called Lullaby.
<v Speaker 1>This one is another great song. So I mentioned earlier
<v Speaker 1>that his parents were musicians. His dad was a singer
<v Speaker 1>and he would sing lullabies to Robert whenever he was
<v Speaker 1>a little kid.
<v Speaker 2>But he would do the.
<v Speaker 1>Same thing that you get when you've got rock by
<v Speaker 1>a baby, where the bow breaks and the cradle falls
<v Speaker 1>and down comes baby and all, and we're like.
<v Speaker 2>That's a terrible that sucks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he said his dad would do the same
<v Speaker 1>thing and the song would end with something like sleep now,
<v Speaker 1>pretty baby, or you won't wake up at all, and
<v Speaker 1>so he'd go to sleep and he'd have nightmares about
<v Speaker 1>getting eaten by spiders. And so that is the impetus
<v Speaker 1>for him writing this song.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Amanda the Florgers, what do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, this was the first single that was released from
<v Speaker 3>this album in the UK. In the UK, yep in
<v Speaker 3>the UK. So we're looking back at a time. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>we didn't have Spotify and we didn't have anything. All
<v Speaker 3>you knew is what you heard on the radio. So
<v Speaker 3>this is what they chose to release because then you
<v Speaker 3>hear that song and that's what got people in on
<v Speaker 3>the record songs, right, so you have to release a
<v Speaker 3>good one. But at this time the music scene is
<v Speaker 3>also changing. You see that girl creeping into this song.
<v Speaker 3>We're still too early for grunge, but the alternative is
<v Speaker 3>making a shift going toward the grunge movement and everything,
<v Speaker 3>and I think we've got a free grunge era song.
<v Speaker 3>Here right, you guys, between these lyrics, the stripped down
<v Speaker 3>nature of this song, just the simplicity with these horrifying,
<v Speaker 3>desperate lyrics. At this time, we've got faith no more,
<v Speaker 3>We've got Nirvana bleached just came out. Hair bands are fading. Sorry, guys,
<v Speaker 3>I know, at the sad time for you, but the
<v Speaker 3>hair bands were fading out. It's head, you know. So
<v Speaker 3>here we've got the cure again, pivoting to a little bit,
<v Speaker 3>you know, of a music style that they see becoming
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more popular, but still making it cure style.
<v Speaker 3>I can't help but think like if Els and Chaine
<v Speaker 3>back in the day did a stripped down version of
<v Speaker 3>this song, Like what that would sound like? I feel
<v Speaker 3>like Laane Staley is rolling over in his grave, but
<v Speaker 3>he didn't write these lyrics. Everything about it is grunge.
<v Speaker 3>It's heavy, it's scary, it's frightening. But it's a beautiful song. Again, circus,
<v Speaker 3>it's a circus. But I see the elements of grudging
<v Speaker 3>this song.
<v Speaker 2>You know who did cover this song, Jimmy Page and
<v Speaker 2>Robert Plant. Wow. Yeah, it's phenomenal. A led Zeppelin version
<v Speaker 2>of this song. So I've seen this as a metaphor
<v Speaker 2>for addiction, depression, even sexual assault. To me, we've already
<v Speaker 2>established that Robert Smith was using hallucinatory drugs while he's
<v Speaker 2>writing and preparing for this album. This sounds like a
<v Speaker 2>trip to me.
<v Speaker 3>It's an acid trip.
<v Speaker 2>It's an acid trip where he's thinking they're spiders all
<v Speaker 2>over the place and they're out to get him and
<v Speaker 2>eat him for dinner. He's talking about the spider Man
<v Speaker 2>who's at the foot of the bed. Spider Man's going
<v Speaker 2>to have him for dinner tonight.
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like I'm being eaten by a thousand
<v Speaker 3>million shivering holes. And I know that in the morning
<v Speaker 3>I will wake up in the shivering cold.
<v Speaker 1>So have you guys seen the video for this. He's
<v Speaker 1>trying to fall asleep. They were supposed to put a
<v Speaker 1>real spider on him and he was like, I get nope, no,
<v Speaker 1>I can do that.
<v Speaker 2>Not happening. This is the highest charting Cure single in
<v Speaker 2>the UK, topped out at number five. This seems very
<v Speaker 2>Alice in Wonderland to me. So you and I were
<v Speaker 2>talking earlier. This was the first single released in the
<v Speaker 2>UK reached number five. It only hits number seventy four
<v Speaker 2>in the US. It was the third single in the
<v Speaker 2>US because the record guys around over here were like,
<v Speaker 2>this is not a great radio song, this is not
<v Speaker 2>a great lead single. We're not releasing it. We're releasing
<v Speaker 2>the next song, the next song instead. And what's the
<v Speaker 2>next song, Jason? The next song is called Fascination Street.
<v Speaker 1>I'm digging it, driving drum track, a song about getting
<v Speaker 1>drunk in New Orleans.
<v Speaker 2>What else do you need?
<v Speaker 3>Filler baselines?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, have you guys seen the movie Lost Angels? No, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Lost Angels starring Donald Sutherland, at least in nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>We've already talked about how I'm a big nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 2>nine guy. Go back to our best years in the
<v Speaker 2>eighties movies, right, Yeah, I have not seen this movie.
<v Speaker 2>But apparently they released Fascination Street as the first single
<v Speaker 2>in the US because it was featured in the movie
<v Speaker 2>Lost Angels. Okay, Apparently they're trying to capitalize on the
<v Speaker 2>success of Los Angeles and I've never heard.
<v Speaker 1>Of this movie. Well, the song did better than the
<v Speaker 1>movie did. Apparently, Yeah, I mean, because I guess the
<v Speaker 1>US executives were not too far off base. It did
<v Speaker 1>very well at this time Billboard had just come out
<v Speaker 1>with this modern rock tracks, which is now called alternative airplay,
<v Speaker 1>but back then brand new. This song, it's number one
<v Speaker 1>and stays on the top of the short for the
<v Speaker 1>next seven weeks.
<v Speaker 2>On that churp.
<v Speaker 3>It's so good. This is the song that I danced
<v Speaker 3>in my kitchen too. Just a great beat, something you
<v Speaker 3>would have heard, like in the club, almost for it.
<v Speaker 3>I'll got really super clubby music, you know, just a
<v Speaker 3>great rock song.
<v Speaker 2>It's moody, but it's uppy happy.
<v Speaker 3>I meanippy Robert, you know, he's got to add that vibe.
<v Speaker 2>I know.
<v Speaker 3>Let's move to the beat, like we know that it's
<v Speaker 3>over if you slip going under, slip over my shoulder.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now we've used this metaphor a lot, but this
<v Speaker 2>is cracking and tubs driving on the streets. They're after
<v Speaker 2>somebody and they're they're deep in thought and then they're
<v Speaker 2>bummed out because the hooker got killed or something. So
<v Speaker 2>this one belongs on Miami Vice. Well it's a great song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I like, Well, it's a great song.
<v Speaker 1>And the extended intro for the longer version longer mix,
<v Speaker 1>it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>I get some long intros on this album, man, I'm
<v Speaker 2>telling you yeah, all right, hits off on your tape player,
<v Speaker 2>Kick it out, flip it over for side to first
<v Speaker 2>song on side two is called Prayer for Rain.
<v Speaker 1>I love this built. This is such a driving song.
<v Speaker 1>I said before Last Dance made me think of Pink Floyd.
<v Speaker 2>This one.
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting all kinds of the Doors writers on the Storm,
<v Speaker 1>which I mean tie it in with Prayers for Rain.
<v Speaker 1>It is that steady, almost like a Western style riff,
<v Speaker 1>but with their synth pop sound. I mean, it's just
<v Speaker 1>it is too good. I kind of wish that Johnny
<v Speaker 1>cashould cover the song because I feel like just that
<v Speaker 1>roughness belungs in the song. But what they do with
<v Speaker 1>it is amazing. I love it, love it, love it.
<v Speaker 3>Good stuff. You know you got. It just came off
<v Speaker 3>of Fascinations Street, which is, you know, a little bit
<v Speaker 3>more upbeat sounding, more rock, you know, sound to it
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, and then they just slip right back into
<v Speaker 3>that moods Understormy kind of moved this one. He opens
<v Speaker 3>up with you shelter me, your grip on me, a
<v Speaker 3>hold on me, so doll it kills.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like beginning the piano sounds that it's the
<v Speaker 2>chords of the piano that are like ringing, and it's
<v Speaker 2>like it's like the beginning of Rio. If you remember
<v Speaker 2>we talked about how Nick Rhodes would bang his piano chords.
<v Speaker 2>So interesting powerful song.
<v Speaker 1>This I think is probably my, if not my favorite,
<v Speaker 1>it's my second favorite on the album, this one, and
<v Speaker 1>the first song on the album playing song top two
<v Speaker 1>contenders for me.
<v Speaker 3>Good choices, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Next song on the album is called Same deep Water
<v Speaker 2>As You.
<v Speaker 1>So this is probably the biggest soundscape of the album.
<v Speaker 1>This is all about your feel, your emotion, putting you
<v Speaker 1>in that vibe, whatever that vibe.
<v Speaker 2>Might be for you. I dig it a lot.
<v Speaker 1>It is, and it's the longer song on the album
<v Speaker 1>by far too.
<v Speaker 2>This is another one of those where I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is an instrumental Nope, it just takes four minutes
<v Speaker 2>to get going. I can imagine in concert he's just
<v Speaker 2>walking around and the crowds just like, go to the mic, dude,
<v Speaker 2>go to the mic.
<v Speaker 3>It's unbelievable. I can talk about the consert theater.
<v Speaker 1>No tell us about it now. Because you're thinking he's
<v Speaker 1>walking around on stage. I'm thinking he's like, Okay, guys,
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go pee.
<v Speaker 2>I need to grab a beer.
<v Speaker 1>You guys, go ahead, I'll be back in about seven minutes.
<v Speaker 2>Good Bye to Literary.
<v Speaker 3>Just pacing the stage and he does all this, He's
<v Speaker 3>done it since the beginning of the band. When he
<v Speaker 3>sings and stuff, he gets so intuity, puts his whole
<v Speaker 3>heartbund body, soul into it. But he'll walk around and
<v Speaker 3>he does these weird things with his hands and he'll
<v Speaker 3>just stare. It's like he's looking at every single person
<v Speaker 3>in that arena, like into your soul. He's been quoted
<v Speaker 3>many times about how even though his music is depressing
<v Speaker 3>and sends a message and everything, he's very humbled by
<v Speaker 3>the fact that people want to listen to what he
<v Speaker 3>has to say.
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we know that he's not a big you know,
<v Speaker 1>he's not doing ants numbers up there. You might walk around.
<v Speaker 3>There's no choreography, yeah choo.
<v Speaker 1>But you do you have something going on, like in
<v Speaker 1>a screen behind them, like.
<v Speaker 2>Are they doing?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the typical stuff that you'd almost expect, you know,
<v Speaker 3>obscure images and birds and you know, when you first
<v Speaker 3>walk into the arena, it's just sounds of thunderstorms, which
<v Speaker 3>is exactly what you'd expect.
<v Speaker 2>This is a deep, dark and beautiful return to the
<v Speaker 2>sadness right here.
<v Speaker 3>I can listen to this song a lot because I
<v Speaker 3>get a lot of loss in my life. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I've lost my mom when I was pregnant, We've lost
<v Speaker 3>my dad in twenty twenty, Ant's uncles, everything. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot of loss in my life, and
<v Speaker 3>this is the song that gets me with it. It
<v Speaker 3>makes me feel all those things that you feel like
<v Speaker 3>over the years you're grappling with, you're dealing with better
<v Speaker 3>at everything. And it's not necessary that the lyrics so much.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's some killer lyrics in here too, but
<v Speaker 3>it's just more that mood, that ride that you're on
<v Speaker 3>during this song, that profound sadness. It's what I have
<v Speaker 3>to skip. Sometimes it's not skipper, but I have to
<v Speaker 3>skip it for my own mental health. I can't listen
<v Speaker 3>to it a lot.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's great. That's the best story on the podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Right Genuinely, those songs that you have that mean so
<v Speaker 1>much to you that sometimes you just can't listen to them,
<v Speaker 1>those are special.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome Thanks for sharing. Okay. Next song on the album
<v Speaker 2>is called disintegration.
<v Speaker 1>So this song is much more straightforward than every other
<v Speaker 1>song on the album. You have this really aggressive drum
<v Speaker 1>beat that's going on in this baseline that is killer,
<v Speaker 1>but it's repetitive. It's the same thing over and over
<v Speaker 1>throughout the song. This is the one that if you're
<v Speaker 1>going to focus on the lyrics and the singing, this
<v Speaker 1>is the song that you're doing that on, because as
<v Speaker 1>good as the music is, it's the same thing over.
<v Speaker 2>And over and over again. As he starts singing to me,
<v Speaker 2>this is the closest pop sounding song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>It's got it energy. It's a little bit rock issue again.
<v Speaker 2>Eight minutes and twenty seconds long.
<v Speaker 3>So back in there, Spike the football. Best song on
<v Speaker 3>the album, Eh, there we go? All right? The way
<v Speaker 3>it starts at a high like all the other songs
<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, they build, they build up to something.
<v Speaker 3>This one just starts at the top and doesn't let
<v Speaker 3>go for the entire song. It just grips you. There's
<v Speaker 3>no release, there's nothing. It's you're going to feel this.
<v Speaker 3>He's grabbing you by your collar. You're going to hear
<v Speaker 3>what I have to say now that I know that
<v Speaker 3>I'm breaking to pieces. I'll pull out my heart and
<v Speaker 3>I'll feed it to anyone crying for comfort. Crocodile's cry
<v Speaker 3>for the love of the crowd, and the three cheers
<v Speaker 3>from everyone dropping through the sky, the glass of the roof,
<v Speaker 3>through the roof of your mouth, through the mouth of
<v Speaker 3>your eye, through the eye of the needle. It's easier
<v Speaker 3>for me to get closer to Heaven than to ever
<v Speaker 3>feel whole again. He's a poet.
<v Speaker 2>I love it balls.
<v Speaker 3>When he gets to that part of the song, and
<v Speaker 3>I don't even think he dreads while he's singing that.
<v Speaker 3>It never lets up the top three of all hero
<v Speaker 3>songs for me.
<v Speaker 2>I show okay coming strong. Yeah, that's awesome. The next
<v Speaker 2>song on the album is called Homesick. This is a
<v Speaker 2>new sound. You've got the piano in there, which is this.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a genuine, real like grand piano sound
<v Speaker 2>to it, not any synth going on there, and it's
<v Speaker 2>really lovely. It's just lovely.
<v Speaker 1>But then this guitar comes in with like a phaser
<v Speaker 1>effect on there, and it takes you back to that
<v Speaker 1>place that you've been before of the soundscape style of
<v Speaker 1>the music. But the piano continues through the song given
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful mixture of class, cool and modern.
<v Speaker 2>I dig the song a lot.
<v Speaker 3>It's good. It's a good one. I don't think there's
<v Speaker 3>any skippers on this album. But out of the entire album,
<v Speaker 3>this is the one I listened to the least. It's
<v Speaker 3>just a little slow for me. It's just one I
<v Speaker 3>don't listen to as much. And I don't. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know why. I mean, I've already felt so much during
<v Speaker 3>listening to this album throughout, you know, all these songs
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, and then you get here and it's extra
<v Speaker 3>deep again, you know, and it's emotional and it's driven,
<v Speaker 3>and it's by the time I get to this point
<v Speaker 3>in the album, I'm already having all the feels.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, exactly. Maybe it's because Lowell
<v Speaker 2>Tolhurst is the guy who composed this one interesting to him. Well,
<v Speaker 2>according to Roger O'Donnell, who is his replacement, that he
<v Speaker 2>was the guy who initially came up with the composition
<v Speaker 2>and the piano for this one. Now they took it
<v Speaker 2>and ran with it. And there's a good chance that
<v Speaker 2>Ball isn't on any of this album at all, but
<v Speaker 2>that he initially came up with the composition for this
<v Speaker 2>one okay, last song on the album. This song is
<v Speaker 2>called untitled Okay respectfully, the beginning of this song sounds
<v Speaker 2>like weird Ow's attempt at a cure song because you
<v Speaker 2>have the accordion. Okay. But with that said, this is
<v Speaker 2>my second favorite song in the entire album. All Right,
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it so it's beautiful, it's melodic,
<v Speaker 2>the accordion works for me. I don't care. I think
<v Speaker 2>that's great, still passionate and sadly beautiful at the end
<v Speaker 2>of this album. I love it.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a perfect way to end this album.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they could have made a better choice
<v Speaker 3>on how to close out this roller coaster because it's beautiful.
<v Speaker 3>It's sad everything, but there's almost a sense of optimism
<v Speaker 3>in the music. It's a little bit more uplifting and
<v Speaker 3>stuff like Robert's like I'm not going to send you
<v Speaker 3>away to go hang yourself, like after this whole album,
<v Speaker 3>Like it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. I don't have a lot
<v Speaker 3>I note because it's one of those that I don't
<v Speaker 3>think about a lot. It just sits with me.
<v Speaker 2>It seems like a perfect book into plain song Drift.
<v Speaker 3>I Ghost Downs, Yes.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>The accordion or pipe organ or whatever the intro riff
<v Speaker 1>is being played on this made me think of Pink
<v Speaker 1>Floyd the.
<v Speaker 2>Wall not Out.
<v Speaker 1>But then, sure enough, once they've kind of given you
<v Speaker 1>a different taste, they've they've cleaned your palate from all
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that you've just listened to with this
<v Speaker 1>little bit, and they come back in with the beautiful,
<v Speaker 1>ethereal music that you've loved every second of as you've.
<v Speaker 2>Gone through this album. They bring me in gently. They
<v Speaker 2>do all this stuff with drugs and spiders, and then
<v Speaker 2>they place you gently on your pillow at the end
<v Speaker 2>of the night.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I like it all right.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that seems like the perfect ending to a great album. Amanda.
<v Speaker 2>We thank you for bringing this to us, dragging this
<v Speaker 2>across the finish line like you did, and bringing us
<v Speaker 2>along with you. We are now fans of this album.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, just excites me so much. You guys,
<v Speaker 3>you have no idea, just happy to share it. You know,
<v Speaker 3>the people on the internet, they just love to pick
<v Speaker 3>pick pick, keyboard Warriors whatever. And I don't even know
<v Speaker 3>what post I was replying to or something, but I
<v Speaker 3>had said something about the cure and this guy whoever
<v Speaker 3>he was, came back and said, well, why are you
<v Speaker 3>even talking about a one hit one dar. I was like,
<v Speaker 3>oh God, this guy has no clue what he's talking about,
<v Speaker 3>Like none, But I feel like that's the perception a
<v Speaker 3>lot of people have the Key Cure. It's like just
<v Speaker 3>the stuff you hear on the radio. You go and
<v Speaker 3>they don't realize this catalog of music, thirteen albums, and
<v Speaker 3>every single album they've had big things to say. So
<v Speaker 3>when people start listening, yeah, like, Okay, maybe you don't
<v Speaker 3>like the radio stop. My husband perfect example, and if
<v Speaker 3>you can open your minds and hearts to it, it'll
<v Speaker 3>affect you.
<v Speaker 2>Ay man, I'm a convert. Thank you very much.
<v Speaker 1>I genuinely appreciate you dragging me across the finish line.
<v Speaker 2>As Jason put it.
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad that I got to explore this album.
<v Speaker 2>Not only did you bring this to us, but I mean,
<v Speaker 2>we've got thousands of listeners out there that might be
<v Speaker 2>hearing this for the first time.
<v Speaker 3>Really, so yeah, I'm so excited to see what some
<v Speaker 3>of the feedback is and stuff. So it's worth mentioning
<v Speaker 3>that they were inducted in the Hall of Fame Rock
<v Speaker 3>and Roll Hall of Fame and back in twenty nineteen
<v Speaker 3>by none other than Trent Reznor. Okay of nine Inch
<v Speaker 3>Nails my number five favorite group in the entire world,
<v Speaker 3>and he summed it up perfectly in his speech. Trent
<v Speaker 3>Reznor says they've sold the best part of who gives
<v Speaker 3>a how many million records and been an essential touchstone
<v Speaker 3>in the genres of post rock, new way of goth
<v Speaker 3>all tnative, shoegaze, and post rock. They've been in and
<v Speaker 3>out of fashion so many times in the last four
<v Speaker 3>decades that they ended up transcending fashion itself. He also
<v Speaker 3>says the Cure one of the most unique, most brilliant,
<v Speaker 3>most heartbreakingly excellent rock bands the world has ever known.
<v Speaker 3>My husband and I just visited the Rock and Roll
<v Speaker 3>Hall of Fame, you guys, I was in heaven. We
<v Speaker 3>just were there in lie i want to say. And
<v Speaker 3>they have their little plaque and everything you know that
<v Speaker 3>all the inductees get, but absolutely zero memorabilia was donated
<v Speaker 3>by the Cure. So the Hall of Fame nothing, because
<v Speaker 3>you know, Robert's like a minimalist. He's like, I only
<v Speaker 3>have these things. You know, I can't give them up.
<v Speaker 2>So my satchel got the lyrics and that's it, and
<v Speaker 2>my wife that's right, we'll work guitar. That's it. Amanda.
<v Speaker 1>We could not have picked a better guest host for
<v Speaker 1>this album than you. You've been fantastic. Your emotional connection
<v Speaker 1>and love for this band came through very clearly.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Thank you so much for coming and joining
<v Speaker 2>us for this.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, guys.
<v Speaker 2>We'll come back next week as we dive into Depeche
<v Speaker 2>Modes Violator as recommended by Amanda. We're going to have
<v Speaker 2>Genie Alexander come on and she's going to talk about
<v Speaker 2>it with us, and we'll get your final judgment. We'll
<v Speaker 2>make a final judgment. We'll get Genie's final judgment, and
<v Speaker 2>we'll see where we land next week the Cure versus
<v Speaker 2>Depeche Mode. Come back then, Thanks Amanda.
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Thanks so much you guys. This is
<v Speaker 3>so fun.
<v Speaker 2>See you guys next week.
<v Speaker 3>And I did have one other fun thing for you guys.
<v Speaker 3>Here's my best list. Okay, see if you can figure
<v Speaker 3>out what I'm throwing down here. Okay, for you thriller
<v Speaker 3>only because off the Wall wasn't an option. Airplane, Van Hager,
<v Speaker 3>Back to the Future, Pyromania, Gladiator Never Saw but Russell
<v Speaker 3>Crow always slaps, trading places, never mind Major League Superman, Synchronicity, Jaws,
<v Speaker 3>Back in Black, Cannonball Run, Faith, George Michael is always
<v Speaker 3>going to be the King, Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure,
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Feel Good, Fright Night, Sign of the Times because
<v Speaker 3>I'm the only person in the world who despises you too.
<v Speaker 3>Die Heard New Jersey, Dumb and Dummer, Get a Grip,
<v Speaker 3>Happy Gilmore, Huey, Lewis and the News, Sports, Ghostbusters, Footloose, Aliens, Terminator,
<v Speaker 3>Silends of the Lambs, American Werewolf in London, Young Guns,
<v Speaker 3>Easty Boys, Christmas Story, Batman eighty nine, Toto Always Toto,
<v Speaker 3>Dirty Dancing, the Thing, White Snake, RoboCop, Alison Chains, Christmas Vacation,
<v Speaker 3>Groundhog Day, Outsiders, and Innocent Man, Big Lebowski. I hate
<v Speaker 3>both Big and Twins, Living Colors.
<v Speaker 5>Vivid Vacation, Vacation, Although Jason is dead wrong about the
<v Speaker 5>Great Outdoors, Cinerolla's Long Cold Winter, and the theme songs
<v Speaker 5>seventy nine to or seventy five to seventy nine tie
<v Speaker 5>between Three's Company in Dallas, eighty to eighty four, Love
<v Speaker 5>Vote eighty five to eighty nine, Fulhouse ninety to ninety four,
<v Speaker 5>Saved by the Bell ninety five to ninety nine, South
<v Speaker 5>for Boom.
<v Speaker 3>In case you were wondering.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's great. That was fantastic,