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00:00:02 Speaker 1: R and B money. We are thanks take valoti. We are the authority on R and B. There's a deal of money to taking. And this is the R and B money. What it is the authority. 00:00:23 Speaker 2: On all things? 00:00:24 Speaker 1: Are all things things R and B. I'm telling you he's in the building. I'm telling you there's a gift, there is a precision, there is an education. 00:00:43 Speaker 3: Almost I'm smoking now. I'm already getting nervous that there. 00:00:47 Speaker 1: Is a flyness. There is a mystery connected to this man that is impressive. 00:00:59 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any mystery, but I like to intro there's some mystery. What's the mystery. 00:01:06 Speaker 1: Connected to this man? As he maintains his level of excellence through sight and sound. D m V couldn't be more proud of this man right here? Is he a king of the DMV? No, no king IV? Yes, k Y s Land is a gentleman without further ado. My brother turned somebody from where I'm from. People are here where you're from. 00:01:53 Speaker 3: I'm not leaving here without they leaving with something here. 00:01:55 Speaker 1: From from you. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: My man's in them. Sick of this. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: We in love night club. He's not kicking in mine, boss, talking life. You understand I'm saying, bro, I remember, I remember we did this show together one time. Right. I've always I've always held your gift in high regard. We've even had this conversation in the middle of a club while the club was jumping, going crazy, me you in love, talking life and all of this shit, and we did it. We some time after that, some records after that, we at the Convention Center doing the show after one of your biggest first weeks. You you went, You went right after me. I performed them. My thing took my shirt off. She was crazy, praise sh it was crazy. I thought it was crazy. That was crazy, and my brother, you proceeded to get on that motherfucking stage and do a fucking show. The crowd was going crazy from start to finish. And that particular day I remember, like yesterday me I was at the cliff. Jerry Alimo was there that day. I said that Nigga is a superstar. Damn that day, I wish I could remember shit like that. What's the name was there too? Backyard? Was there too? Yep? One of us before I signed No you was you? Was you? Was hot? You was cracking. It was loads of flyer bromis the whole thing. You were cracking, and I said, I had never seen you perform, and seeing you in that space packed out convention center doing an actual show, and it's something you just said before the thing started. It's like people don't understand music, and your understanding of music in your placement and how you deliver it. That for me, makes the difference in your in your artistry why I believe you're so great. I appreciate it because you're a hell of a musical entity. Your fire, crazy dope lyricists and all of that, but your understanding of music and where to put that shit, it's different. I think I appreciate it. 00:04:16 Speaker 3: First of all, we've me, me and my Kaz been talking about this, like it's just like it's very strange because even like on Calvin on stage interview, he was like, I was like, yeah, I'm not dreaming, Like people don't be knowing that, and that's weird to me. 00:04:30 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, of course people know that. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: And now like it came out and you see the comments and like it's like fifty percent of people don't know. 00:04:37 Speaker 1: They're like, you know what I'm saying, My name is not dreaming I've have. 00:04:41 Speaker 3: I referenced it all the time, but it's still so imagine the music acumen, Like they think I'll just be showing up and like get lucky. Well, I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So that's something I'm kind of like this album I've been trying to I've been trying to show people like yo, like you know, I don't I might not know how to play out there or whatever, but like i know exactly how to put records together, and I've written for so many people. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: I just don't. 00:05:05 Speaker 3: That's just not my identity, you know what I'm saying. So I appreciate somebody like of your stature saying that, but like I'm about to prove that, like I'm out there, like I have to maybe put it in their face and put it on camera or what. 00:05:17 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's what I'm when I say, And when I was saying mystery and the intro. For me, it's like me and Ja can know because we're behind the veil. We live in the space, so we have a different understanding of what it is that you do in the level that you're doing it all. And to me, it's like that's the screen, right. I want you guys to understand, Okay, the hit is the hit, but I also want you to understand that he's deeply connected to the science of it, of the house and wives, and those are the conversations. 00:05:59 Speaker 3: Nothing is actually nothing is accidental when you especially when you talk about singles, you know what I'm saying, or like little earcne and stuff like that. Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing, Nothing is accidental, coincidental when when I'm doing stuff like especially post twenty, like thirteenth, like maybe around like Gifted, like my third album, nothing was ever accidental, Like I learned. I was around Mark Ronson, you know what I'm saying. I was around jay Z, I was around bra I was around Amy Winehouse. I was around Backyard Man, I was around listen Man. I was around UCB, like I was picking up stuff, like even subconsciously, like I'm picking up stuff and me knowing stuff like you knowing and how to rock a crowd with a go go band, like you can do it if you go rock a crowd with a go go band and a rap and you genuinely are learned trying to learn like all the things, that's all who you be around. I think this is what comes from it. But a lot of people don't they you know a lot of people just like are cool enough. It's just like all right, I'm come here and do my raps and y'all do the hook and then we put out them out like that's cool. Sometimes you know what I'm saying. But like when you when I'm in it, I'm in it. I'm trying. I want to be great with this ship. 00:07:08 Speaker 4: Now, that's dope to hear you to say, to hear you say that, really you're a student of the game right where we don't have many of those and it and it shows the that's the separation. Yeah, and the longevity that you've had in this in this business bro where you can you can have a hit. 00:07:30 Speaker 5: Whenever you want. 00:07:30 Speaker 1: To like that. But but I don't say. 00:07:36 Speaker 3: I've been I've been fortunate enough. 00:07:38 Speaker 6: I do. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: I do. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: It comes at a car I'll be in that. I'll be in that studio going like sometimes I got to joke that us say it's like like my session can start affoord, but like I'll be in another room like playing like a puzzle game or playing Maden or something like like why you just don't go in the studio. I was like, man, I'm I ain't schizophrenic, Like I'm not. The forces ain't come in my head yet. Like I can't just be in there. I'm gonna get in there and start being antsy, like when I go when I go there, I go there. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: So to say that HiT's come whenever I want, it comes at a toad though, Like you know what I'm saying. I can't sleep with music playing. I can't listen to music, going to wear the studio. I go days with I listening to music. 00:08:15 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 00:08:16 Speaker 3: So it's not whenever I want, But I work bro real hard so that when it comes, it comes. 00:08:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanna go back to the beginning. And I want to say the beginning because you know, I have to point out something real key. You know, when I came to LA they gave me, they gave me hell about my tims and Slopstocks gave me hell. My man showed up today in the original Slapstock. I'm just trying to tell you the ship that's going on right now that I'm really excited about. You know what I'm saying, Going to order me. 00:08:53 Speaker 3: Something you gotta do, you gotta, you gotta this is what this is where we come from. Like I ain't never lot of people uh in the industry just couldn't figure it out, and there was nothing to figure out with me. Like I was seeing y'ad know, everybody doing anything. Mark Ain't going crazy, Chappelle going crazy, Like I'm a kid like listening to this stuff like I'm like, you know, I'm I'm working that downtown locker room and a Marie did an in. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: Store there, like no, no, no, you got to give me that you. 00:09:19 Speaker 3: Working where downtown locker room? 00:09:21 Speaker 1: Which one PG Plaza? 00:09:23 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then up against the Wall too, I'm one of the original against the Wall. Yeah, kid, that's that's that's how Ford Iceberg at that age. Yes, I was using my motherfucker forty percent off. Yeah, but yeah like like like that all like like I took it. It's like, man, you really it's hard to actually like, you know, R and B. It was never really a regional thing. So even when you like like came out and shook the game up, it was like it's not that they never really be asking where the singer from. 00:09:56 Speaker 1: So like hip hop was super like, yeah, you. 00:09:58 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, And it's just like I just even when when I was coming up, I was different than everybody, Like I was wearing like Supreme and like, you know, like just my my aesthetic was different. So I already had to go through that, you know what I'm saying to me being on stage wearing Supreme, wrapping the backyard all these bands, nobody looked like me, know, I just like me, And to get in the industry, to be the only person from from the crib like like it was, it was not. 00:10:25 Speaker 1: I still go through it. 00:10:26 Speaker 3: I still think if I was from like a like a uh music music city, like a hip hop city, a lot of things have been different, you know what I'm saying. I probably, like like the microscope, it wouldn't only be on my transgressions. It's probably be on like the stuff that you just talked about, like my intention to detail and my success rate of records to connect. I think that said, I think that's I think that's I think it's a little bit to do with us not being from a real I mean, we got Marvin Gaye, we got you, we got we got ROBERTA. 00:10:58 Speaker 1: Flat, we got but. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: It's not known as you know what I'm saying, like the Big Three of l A, New York and like Atlanta. 00:11:06 Speaker 1: You know, it's just like these these these you say in New York, or you say in Atlanta, or you say in La or you say. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: Or even Detroit Motown. You know what I'm saying. 00:11:14 Speaker 1: They're they're gonna their people are gonna, let you. 00:11:17 Speaker 4: Know, yeah, no, we scream it, yeah loud. In the Bay Area, we screaming if you're from the Bay streaming yeah. So that that is the difference we have. We've had less of an industry there. I mean, obviously with Gazi coming along and doing Empire, that turned it into a different type of place and more of a destination for people. 00:11:35 Speaker 5: But as far as. 00:11:37 Speaker 4: We felt like outsiders too, but within us feeling like outside of this, outside of y'all had Tony Independent, but y'all have Tony Tony Tony. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: Like that y'all have, y'all had big artists. 00:11:50 Speaker 3: Keep going, Okay, it's gonna start, it's gonna start getting slight. 00:11:57 Speaker 1: It's in a sense of yes. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: But but I said, all these artists you're naming independent Hammer independent, he was independent, Well. 00:12:08 Speaker 3: He didn't feel independent because he got listen, it's one of the biggest rappers of all time, Like. 00:12:13 Speaker 4: He did it independently, and that's what most people didn't know, right, And so it came from he was the first out the trunk for us. 00:12:20 Speaker 1: Right. 00:12:20 Speaker 4: So within having that or even to listen to the old mc hammon records, he was battling the system. He was saying like, oh, they don't play you. Listen to the intro. He's like, oh, they don't play you on New York Hammer because we were feeling that same way that a place like a DC would feel, because it was really nothing that was in the industry, you know what I'm saying, Like we were close to LA, but we were in LA same way y'all close to New York but DC ain't job. 00:12:48 Speaker 3: But but to us, to I think a lot of people was like, that's California, California doing night California doing night Edet Underground Park was running around. 00:12:57 Speaker 1: Wrapping that stuff like musical though, so we also listen, we hear it differently, right, right, So when we heard Tony Tony, Tony to me and you, what the fuck is that? That's excellent? Yeah, that's excellent. But I understand what you're saying too in terms of it was a fight because it was just yours. Yeah yeah, and me being from the DMV, it's like I'm always waiting for the There's support there for sure, But there is a difference in being from a New York and an Atlanta and in LA it's just something different. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the ecosystem for real, Like when I was coming up, like even still in a big twenty six, Like it's not you can't just roll out of bed and get like a high quality studio and not saying you need one now, but like some people that some people need space, some people need to you know, you can roll out of bed and get get into something like this in LA easier, you know what I'm saying, Like you couldn't do that, You still can't really do that. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: In DC, you still can't. 00:14:04 Speaker 5: Has there ever been a DC based label? 00:14:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a lot, and I don't going any more because somebody gonna get mad because that's what we do back going. But there's been a lot of been a lot of labels, a lot of niggas. Was I came from one, A lot of a lot of niggas did a lot of good stuff. And if I say one I got, say malls, I'm just not so. But yes, but you know, like like it was, it was it was again, it was a door like it wasn't really like you know. 00:14:30 Speaker 1: What I'm saying. 00:14:31 Speaker 3: I remember, like you know, like ninth grade. Like I'm like, I've started playing Circle Boys every day, Like I got that joint from the Benner Road all days and you know what I'm saying, Like everybody was playing that Jone my cousin played for roles. He was playing, he was playing that jont So. Circle Boys was going from everywhere fro Montgomery County to PG County and northeast and all that. Like to me, I was like, Yo, what's what's different than this than no Limit? You know what I'm saying? But they never made and oy boys? What's different than this then cash money? But you know, I'm I'm growing up listening to this and I'm like, how come these guys can't get what that is when I'm saying on BT and you know what I'm saying, you like, and they wasn't getting locked up like they was. They was all free men at the time. So again, I just think that DC music never really got like they once like like you know what I'm saying, they tense, They never really got it for real, like for the movement that was happening when I was coming up, Like a lot of people just didn't get didn't it didn't go. 00:15:30 Speaker 1: Is it is? It is it somewhat on us as the creatives that we've never collaborated in a way that makes it feel like we're we're being the leaders of of corraling the troops in a sense. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: Well, I'm seeing it can go two ways, because you know, I've probably done over forty features thirty something features for people back home or put them on stuff whatever, you know, like Faster, Big Fella, Black Cobang a gold Link. 00:16:11 Speaker 1: I've worked with our Elennix. I've worked and see that's my thing though with you, it's like Nigga, You're you're you're ingrained in the fabric, right. You don't see what I'm saying. 00:16:24 Speaker 3: It's just to me personally, like I just be like, it's just stuff that makes me just just scratch my head. Like remember during the pandemic, it was a young end. I just liked how he sounded and I just like, man, let me let me do a verse form whatever. He was in a lot of trouble whatever, but like I did a verse form and the Jones sound it sounds excellent, good, you know what I'm saying. I even said, Ross, can you post it to Ross? Posted it it's young and posted the jont one time and like just went back to whatever he was doing and like he didn't even know the value of that. And then he hit me like like two years later, like yo, I was tripping. I should have like you think you think I got nothing but love for you, but like you think I'm going to do anything like and it be like that sometimes, like people don't I try to embrace I tried to embrace people. Man, I'm not trying to sign on nobody. I'm like, all right, well you don't. I don't even want to sign nothing. But I'm just saying, like, here's my advice on da da da like and it just don't. A lot of times it be like that, like back home, and there's a lot of talent, a lot of talent, but I mean there's like the rap style that has become popular back home with the youngest It's something that I kind of understand, but I don't know if it has legs. I don't know if it has legs beyond a certain place, like you know what I'm saying. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: And I think that could be it too, because because because the style, it always reminded me of it. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: But that's just my that's my producer executive mind working. Like I hear it, I'd be like, yo, I get it kind of, but it doesn't seem like something that could whereas like circle Boys or boys or the ogs in front of me, like I could see why I could I could see that work. I wonder why that didn't work because it's it's on part with what I'm hearing on the mainstream or even nonchalant five o'clock in the morning, like like I don't to me, I'm like, why she should have had definitely had a like a more fruitful run than you know what I'm saying, and just I mean, she got that, But I'm like this, this woman is speaking about stuff that's going on in the city, in the in the area that needs to be heard from around this time in the nineties, and it's like, why can't that go further? 00:18:47 Speaker 1: Why did everything have to stop? 00:18:48 Speaker 3: Like why they like junk Yard got signed to depth Jam like what happened? 00:18:53 Speaker 1: Like what happened? 00:18:54 Speaker 3: Like what and maybe it could have been some internal who knows, I don't know, But I always wonder about that because like these were our opportunities for things to happen for us on a regional way, and and and and go go had two chances around that time doing the back all that chucked a little bit around that and then ain't Marie like and Beyonce Rich Harrison time like you know people that they're like kind of cherry pit, like can a little bit of go go a little bit? Like I would have thought like it was some more would it came from that? Like I thought Rich was gonna change it, like for real, for real, I thought he was going. I thought he was gonna really like bring that sound like to another level. I often wonder what happened, But you know, in. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: The same we gotta get in there, because that's the definitely same question I got because Rich was on. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: A tear I think with that sign, I think I think he maybe didn't. I don't know, maybe because because even tone the Craig from b KS from back Home, like my first misake, my first big mix safe, like we did it. We had a lot of go go but it was so it was like jazz samples and we would like put Timbali's and like congos, but like reveral subtlely like like almost as if knife one that made go like put put use go go drums like but and it was people loved it. But them two niggas started bumping heads, and now we lost a couple of potential legendary hip hop group. 00:20:16 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 00:20:17 Speaker 3: Tone's doing doing his thing, Crags still doing this thing, but what could have been? 00:20:22 Speaker 1: Wow? I brought them. 00:20:23 Speaker 3: I brought him the rock Nation and I remember Jay Jay was trying to do something with them and they was like, we don't know, but you don't know. Yeah, I ain't trying, you know what I'm saying, Like it's be stuff like that, you know what I'm saying. The Crags still doing great. I think he got places on Kendricken his albums. He's doing good. Tone, he's doing what he's doing. He could definitely be a lot bigger. But you know, there's sometimes people have gotten their own way, and a lot of these youngers right now they just cannot stay out of trouble. It's it's it'd be like that, you know what I'm saying. 00:21:02 Speaker 1: I think you know. When I was coming up and you know, just kind of making my bones in the city and and learning and figuring me out. When I when I saw an opportunity to try and go to another level, I was like, well, where can I go where the competition is so out of control like that, I won't I won't get no sleep. And when I came to LA for the first time and made my rounds and saw how many dope everything there was, and saw like going away to college, bro, I said, I said, whose house is that, who's caught? Whose building is? Who's he do? What ship? Whose times? It allows you to see further, and I was like, I was like, because it was the destination where everybody wanted to create. And I was like, I gotta be I gotta be here. I got to be here because anybody who's doing anything on a on a on a level that's out of this world, they're here and I need to be able to see them. I need to be able to understand what they're doing, and I need to be able to compete. 00:22:32 Speaker 3: A lot of niggas can come in and lose their mind. Well getting I'm not saying I didn't. I ain't gonna lie to you and say what Dre Club didn't get all my money. 00:22:44 Speaker 1: It's what dreams come to die. 00:22:45 Speaker 3: Man, Like a lot you know what I'm saying, A lot of people done took that l men in lab. 00:22:50 Speaker 1: If you don't, you gotta find a balance, you know what I'm saying. And so I felt like if I was at home. I felt like if I was at home, it just would have been different. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: Oh nah, for sure, But that he has a depth in extreme no like LA is like DC, like the opposite, Like you can't find no way to record, like you know, like and even if you do, it's like I mean, like you can't. I can't even explain how many times I'd be in the studio like and like I could feel the engineer like he has no idea like that I'm like what I'm about to do? Like what I'm about Like you have no idea that jay Z. I just met with jay Z last week, Like I'm getting that energy of like, oh here's a rapper, he's in the studio, you know what I'm saying, Like there's there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a hopelessness that's in the that was in the air a lot, like there was a hopelessness that I had to deal with, Like that was just in the air, like like what you want to be a rapper? 00:23:55 Speaker 1: All right? 00:23:55 Speaker 3: But like you know what I'm saying, Like even when I did have a little bit of motion, like it was like a hopelessness. It's like and I feel like I probably took that mentality with me, like that hopelessness even when I was making even when I was doing cool stuff, like I still had that like mentality of like you know, it's like probably impositive syndrome because it's like you you you your whole come up. 00:24:16 Speaker 1: You just hear like how you not going to do it? Or are you? 00:24:18 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's a fluke. That's not gonna happen a game. That's a fluke. You know what I'm saying. 00:24:22 Speaker 1: That's the crib type shit. 00:24:24 Speaker 3: That's that's where I got where I got that from. 00:24:27 Speaker 1: M hmm. 00:24:27 Speaker 3: Like I I would imagine like when you the difference you experienced me from a crib from the crib to here was like like probably saying chills to your boy, like like out in the night and day. You know what I'm saying, Like people like really understand like like what. 00:24:45 Speaker 1: They take to make it here, Like you know what I'm saying. 00:24:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know though, it's crazy because we we we we got we got so much time. We got kids that learned instruments at like twelve years old. In go go bands, you could literally be the next for real, but you probably don't. See you probably don't probably don't think of yourself that well. You probably never applaud yourself that way, and that this is we're talking about what what are is I'm probably like like bit like mid nineties to like early two thousands, Like that's that's the that's the vibe that I was getting, you know what I'm saying a few people here and there. It was like putting the battery in my back, like a lot of the radio State Caress nights were putting ninety salads a quick silver iron. They was you know, keeping me, but like without them, like there was nobody saying like until it was too late. 00:25:32 Speaker 1: M hm. 00:25:33 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 00:25:33 Speaker 1: Like I was like I started. 00:25:35 Speaker 3: Really like you know, I made like I made the Go Go Fusion song, and you know, I be do neon with Backyard, and then I go do platinum with with the non Go Go people and just it just and at that point it was unstoppable. But like it was very very hard to like convince niggas that like I'm gonna be I'm gonna do it. Watch it's hard. So I can't imagine. 00:26:00 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to answer this question or just make this an assertion. I guess I've always felt like I've always felt like you were more received, more well received than you realized. M h. I've always felt like you're as dope as you think you are, and there are more people who think the way you think and the way we think than you realize. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: Well some days, right, but then you gott I gotta zoom out and be like, dog, I know I'm good, I know real good. I think there's like things that people will use to discredit be a lot sometimes or they'd be like if I ever dared to speak up for myself, oh he's complaining whatever, like and also I mean, brouh, I've been. I don't think there's no been in I don't think there's no active artists that's been on more labels me. You know what I'm saying, I've been discarded. You feel me, bounce back. I've been like discarded again, bounce back I've been. You see where him, you see where that artists? Okay, we're gonna take that artist this okay, cool like and then bounce back again. So like to be a nigga that been discarded and I have to show niggas again. You know, I know a lot of people I came in the game with they don't even have to have no big single, like there's all eyes on them when they drop. I always gotta have a big single just to get into conversation again. So that happening to you enough, you'll be like, I'm not trying to hear all this, Like, yo, you better than You're better than you to go. I don't be trying, like I don't. I can't cause it's like somebody told me last week that I wasn't tiying no more, like you know what I'm saying, Like I can't even you know what I'm saying. Like, But again that's why I try not to get too out and not to get too low at this point, Cuz again, I've been through some shit in this industry. This jo't over really do it some damage on. I'm just one of the niggas that's honest enough to say it, like I'm I went my heart on my I'll tell you how the truth. So it's like, it's not that I think I'm not. I think I'm one of them, but best rappers. I think I'm one of the best. But it's almost to the point that like and theig like me say that they can like what does this guy think he is? Like you know what I'm saying. 00:28:20 Speaker 1: Most a lot of. 00:28:20 Speaker 3: People can say that, but every rapper is supposed to say to me for some reason, like who does he think he is? Like, so I just be like, all right, I won't listen to the good or the bad, Like, just let me just do what I do. So that's probably why you think that I feel that way. Yeah, And I don't think you have to stop saying it though. 00:28:37 Speaker 1: Either. 00:28:38 Speaker 3: I just told HIMNI go on Twitter this morning, I got the album yea, and they be like rap out may I said no, I said an album. 00:28:47 Speaker 1: I said album because I'm not living. 00:28:48 Speaker 3: I don't like it's an album, not rap, I said, album Spriena Garbage, I'm on your ass, like, yeah, like an album Olivia Dean, I fuck with you, Charley, but I'm trying to be in Listen all that shit, cool man like whatever album. 00:29:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen to this. 00:29:03 Speaker 3: Listen to the album and tell me that we're not jeenre Bendon telling me not we're not telling consistent stories. Tell me the production ain't a one album Album of the Year Grammy voters, that's an album. 00:29:13 Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about this new album. In the new space that you're in, right and and you. 00:29:20 Speaker 4: Going to a new label, being in a new situation, do you feel like that allowed you more freedom from a creative sense to go and you know, be in partnership with a guy like Tunji. One of the biggest misconceptions about my time with MMG is that I didn't have freedom because you know, my first album attention deficit was with Mark. 00:29:45 Speaker 3: I didn't really know what I didn't. I was just really good at writing verses and then I you know, I like, I liked what I like, like I'm I'm in London with him for three months. I'm like learning with Justice and MG team that DM will sounded like, so I like that. So I was kind of like a lot of these things. And looking back, it is like, you know, I don't think Jimmy Iven knew what to do, Like he just didn't know like DC, but he's wrapping on MGMT and all this other stuff. So you know, cool left Interscope and went to this Warner slash MMG. Like I'm in a studio, we're making We're making self made one. I'm like looking, I'm just I'm I'm like, I'm I'm have access to beats that I ain't of it like half before. So I'm just like I'm learning, I'm learning and picking up on stuff. And you know, after that joint, I went to New York and just made that album and that didn't nobody tell me what songs to pick, No, nothing that creativity then, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know, I don't think nothing ever really changed. I just think that I knew that Niggas wasn't it might be like pulling a little bit of teeth to make a song like Blanco on uh at that at that point, because you know, I just think it might've been a big ass you know what I'm saying my and also my sining just got better just because of learning what I can do. So but I don't really see that much because I was doing stuff like chain music and I rapped from the perspective of a Jesus chain like you know what I'm saying, Like that's that's artistry. I rapped from the perspective of crap in the eighties and DC like it was a woman like these are strongs that I did when I was on MG. That's creativity, you know what I'm saying. But I think the aesthetic is all people were seeing, even though my esthetic was my esthetic. I'm coming through one of my phone posits that got my two strands twins to Goma. Whatever he was wearing, I was wearing sob and everything, like you know what I'm saying. So I think it was them seeing that, like like I don't. I don't know if some people knew that I see myself as an urban act. I think maybe they saw me as a pop at endoscope at first. 00:31:54 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:31:55 Speaker 3: That's the only way I can make sense of it. But the creativity has always been there to me. I think it's flourishing more on an album because I have been by my completely by myself, you know what I'm saying, Maybe they're receiving it differently or allowing myself to hear it. 00:32:10 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:32:11 Speaker 3: I pushed the creativity just with songs like Blanco and Lonely and Corner Bottles, but it was always there. 00:32:17 Speaker 1: And I also think that like sometimes and I experienced this in moving, whether it be a label or it be a you know, a agency, you know what I'm saying, a booking or whatever, there's this new excitement. There's this new building of people that are like, oh, we we know what to do. We were lined up, and for me, it gave me something extra in the spirit of motivation and this newness of this new relationship, you know what I mean, Like when you get in, get in this new relationship with this, with this, with this new girl, it's like, Okay, let me let mean you know what I'm saying, I mean flowers, Let me get some flowers. You ain't got flowers in a long time, you know what I'm saying, Like you ain't. You ain't you normally open the door, that's normally your thing, but you you really getting the door. It's time of no, let me get that for you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, get her, get her the tomahawk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's that newness that that happens, I think organically because you feel this new influx of appreciation and love and commitment that I think sometimes lines up with the timing of where you are artistically, and that magic alone, it just does something different that it just hasn't done before. Like now you drop this song. First of all, I was angry. I was angry because I told Guapole I was going to flip that too lately. No, it's not, and it's not. It's more than one way, skin cap Listen. No, y'all did it. It's done. It's fucking done. This motherfucking here. And I said, Nigga, you and him together, so it's done. I appreciate it. 00:34:28 Speaker 5: Y'all make great records together too, though you and Leon make great records together. 00:34:32 Speaker 1: I think it's that that musical mind. It's like, that's what I'm telling you that I'm understanding what you're saying. It's people are not really, they're not understanding the musicality that you're connected to. Like the way you're creating this ship. And that's why you and that nigga, two fucking musical geeks can come together and create some ship that's all of a sudden, a fucking samaranthem. 00:34:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not at summer yet, but when you might tell me it wasn't on billboard. Yeah, so that's why you know what I'm saying. We don't count our chickens. You know what I'm saying, ship, You don't want billboard bill boy. Yeah, things that make it, things that make it go anyway, don't let me see Hey, listen, listen what one thing. One thing that thing can't tell you is what the people say. 00:35:23 Speaker 1: Right. Oh, well, you see what I'm saying. Hard tickets. That tell you what the people talking about. Hello, hello, hard tickets. You see what I'm saying. When the tourists booked, that means the people are talking. Yeah, we come see it's on tourists. Everybody starts shout it, shout it shouted. May twenty fifth, Yeah, oh month of June. Me and every city that you know, we're gonna do this. Yeah, Me and Smino. Yeah, party, a lot of a lot of beautiful gals. I like the rooms I like. I like all of it. I like all of it, like the record, like the direct, complete direction of the album. Like and maybe I'm speaking biased, you know what I'm saying, because we're from the same place and I've always thought you were super dope, But I feel like I feel like now now, now, whatever's around you, whoever's connected to you, this timing for you is a very very important time. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: I'm super agree with that I got like I know, like I have I've had like multiple times where like a boy, you got one. You better know what I'm saying, This one's different because it's like I took a little bit off. So I'm I'm holding onto my my little tribe, my people that that's around me, and I'm trying to kind of leave it like that, like let's just keep doing it, like you know what I'm saying, Like like I'm very aware of like what's happening right now, you know what I'm saying. I'm trying to keep that like community like that so the output can still be and I don't have to deal with different energies are different, you know. I wish I really like it'd be a dream to have my like my own like soul quarians. You know what I'm saying, Like somebody who I know can do this whenever somebody can do that, and I could do that for them, but I don't know the way twenty twenty six is set up. Everybody just like be out for them and like that. But you know, I'm hold on to who's around me for shure. 00:37:19 Speaker 4: I feel like you're putting that out there though it comes back you saying you want that and it's something that you that you're looking for. It could be people that because that's the other thing too, right, Like we're all in this industry, but sometimes everybody got their things that they're doing. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: It's it right. 00:37:32 Speaker 4: But then when you put that out there and that is somebody else that may be on the same frequency as you says, oh you know what I heard? Why I like say that, let me tap in with it. Even somebody that may already you might be cool with, just don't know that you're open to that. 00:37:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, you know what I mean. 00:37:49 Speaker 4: Like one thing that Tricky said when he was on here, when he said, you know about needing a team and putting that team together, you know what I mean, Like in figuring out what that is, and being honest and open enough to say that, like, Yo, this is something I want to do outside of or on top of what I'm already doing that because it's like I just I really want to push black music. I really want to push it, like I really want to, like like shit gets stale, like like we got somewhere else to go or like make that next album. It's like a complete other sound like you know what I'm saying, Like we all know the music nerves. We know like Mike, he really wanted to separate from his brothers and really put these new sounds together and he found Quincy and like he really like he knew exactly what he wanted and he it can't sound nothing like what I've done before. Like that mindset is something out Like it's like I'm obsessed with it because it's like there's so many ways to do so many things, like and it's like it's rare that like I'll be in the studio a lot of people and I try to explain certain things and it's like I can tell us like this messenger, you know what I'm saying, And I hate that. But it's like sometimes like a nigga, like Eric Bellinger one of the best voices. I'll be like like whenever, whenever, like he get to doing all his melodies and I start that. When that, when that w and I start putting the poetry in, I feel so like vindicated, Like I want to I want to do that on a more like more often with people that like trust this process or whatever. Like that's like a big thing because I'm the next thing that if I can do the next thing what I'm trying to do right, it's gonna shake it up even more because I gave hints. 00:39:35 Speaker 1: Of it on his album, but it's more to be done. As we're talking to ell Mean earlier, it's a great time to be creative. Yeah, it is like now it is. 00:39:54 Speaker 3: It also is like around sometimes it's a little bit frustrating though, because it's so much music coming up. It's so much like it really shouldn't be a job of a consumer that's spent like an hour and a half trying to find what they like, you know what I'm saying. 00:40:09 Speaker 1: Like it shouldn't. 00:40:10 Speaker 3: And it's like people like music for different reasons now, like there's a good population that like something just because it's ironic. It's like it's kind of not good and it ended up blowing up a little bit, like it's just in a weird place and like you know, you see Leon Thomas on stage with it, like he's just like stokedly all over again, singing, play guitar, play the drums, crazy, like you should be talking about this actually more than we are talking about it. 00:40:35 Speaker 1: But there's so much. 00:40:36 Speaker 3: Coming out that there's about a hundred there's a hundred fuckers that sound exactly the same, a hundred like the whispers sing girls like the Whiskey's in the jar and I got it going, park Man, I'm going like like you know what I'm saying, like that it's cool, but it's like a lot and you know what I'm saying. So there's a lot of shit in a way. So it's like when you are creative, if you kind of can get lost in the lost in this thing. So what's your thoughts on gatekeepers? Like do we need them because some people say we don't. Uh, it depends because I mean I'm a nigga. That's like, man, these niggas is like like the y'all gate keeping the access to what I really like, like I wanted I wanted to work with Jimmy jam Terry Lewis so bad, and I'm like, I'm asking a couple of people like and it was like I can feel, you know what I'm saying, gate keeper Boom, Now Rogers, I want to work with Now Roders, I want to do some black pop, like black disco stuff and just write it and da da da. Taming Paul. I'm trying to get the tame Paul. I'm trying to mix him like with some stuff from home. And I got some ideas. So I can't access a lot of niggas that that people think I can that I reached out to. And that's gate keeping right there, you know what I'm saying. But I just like, but I'm also trying to I don't think that's the same gatekeeping. We ain't it when when somebody saying you can't, I'm. 00:41:55 Speaker 4: Talking about like control right where you're like like like putting put and less stuff like left them uploading less stuff on the e streaming services. Yeah, I mean where you have we're obviously we have right where you have people that you had to take it to and it had to pass a certain level. 00:42:14 Speaker 3: We had on Julie Green walls andre stuff like that we don't really have all we don't because we. 00:42:22 Speaker 4: Exactly with the Wild West and it's been pushed out. So that's why I asked, like. 00:42:26 Speaker 1: What he said, there's so much coming out because there's no's no getting it's so easy. 00:42:32 Speaker 3: It's so easy to upload, upload it from your room, like there's no process to print it out and do the photo shoot and do all the stuff. Like it's just kind of easy, like the process has got cheaper. I mean, I don't know, like maybe the gate keeper, like maybe the fact that it is the wild Wild West is making niggas work harder, but the niggas at the top work harder. But to me, it's just sad when it's like I hear like some music that's well thought out, well produced, well arranged and everything, and it's it's like stuck on a playlist with like a troll song and the song that's like not good, Like that's it frustrates me to see artists go through that. 00:43:10 Speaker 1: I also think that I also think that on the positive side of it, it separates separates the week from the tear, like because in order to be heard amongst all of this noise, you gotta be special. Yeah, there's a special spectrum, and then there's this is absolutely ridiculous and it's just gonna cut through. Right. But when I'm just talking about the truly special things and the people that are truly special, those conversations speak like the people who are who are being heard. And as we go back to Leon Thomas, like that's an unavoidable conversation because it's just that special. Yeah, and like you said, it needs to be screamed more. Yeah, and it's and it's cutting through, not because so much of the screaming conversation, which he deserves, but back to it's just fucking incredible. 00:44:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's it's up to us all too to be a part of that, Yeah, to be a part of that conversation, to be a part of the promotion of it. 00:44:24 Speaker 5: And toot. 00:44:28 Speaker 3: There's there's platforms, man, you know, there's platforms that again that that won't reach until like well you know he got the multiple grammy so and the mmkay kline like they both in another conversation. But I've seen Kate work for ten years to get to what, you know, what I'm saying. So, yeah, it's it's It's a tricky thing though, and I don't want to be the person to say because I am the messenger that they're going to kill, so I don't don't it's no, don't kill the messenger. They already lined me up from like fifteen things I said already is already gonna be like I'm happy today, I'm just happy to my phone off. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: But no, I think that you know everything, everything that you're saying. Like for us, it's like it's like giving given our guys an opportunity to to speak context, you know what I mean. A lot of people want a lot of people want these sound bites and these clicks to create some type of dissension or negativity and use that as an algorithm builder for that platform. And that's why we wanted you on our platform, because we wanted you to be able to speak in context and and have your voice heard, the entire thought of your voice heard. And I think that's the important part of it, because people will have to be able to hear the whole conversation, and that's what that's why we wanted you here. I'm like the nigga's dope. You just you have to listen to what he's saying, but your listen to the whole thing, and that's what we're about. That's why you're here. That's what nigga. When you say you are who you are, nigga, we actually wanted to believe it. I appreciate that and support it. I appreciate that, you know what I'm saying, and I just I just need you, man, I need you know. I'm not gonna go to that. You know. You know I'm right here, man, and I'm right here that uh as we as we as we speak music. I'm also like, as I alluded to, in terms of your artistry, I feel like you're you're one of the rare ones that that that are complete artists because it doesn't just stop in the studio for you, like you're always I think artistry is so many things like and it starts first with when you walk in the room and people see you. That's the first thing. And every time I see you, I'm like, oh this about to get on stage? Man? What does that mean? They compliment me? That's why I get nervous. 00:47:11 Speaker 3: What I mean, Like my Jay Rok, that compliment got me on the road. 00:47:17 Speaker 1: What what's that? What is that? 00:47:18 Speaker 3: Positivity? Is supposed to mean something positive, but that's the that to me, like that can get lost for artists. How do you mean, because how you present yourself as an artist. 00:47:42 Speaker 1: Is so important and so key because a lot of times the conversation can be about your music, but then also the conversation can be about you as an individual, like you're you're the things that are organic to you, your style and your move and how you move and all of these things. Although that is directly a correlation within your artistry. And I think I'm celebrating you and giving you a compliment all at the same time, I think you do a great job of that. You don't I don't you don't chase, You don't chase in that space, Like to me, you have a thing that is very wilaya that it's connected organically to the music. 00:48:31 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's being stubborn. I guess you Like this is really like I ain't never really I never really been like a clique person in this industry, Like I kind of just be doing my own thing because I seen too much like early, so you know, I never really got too much influence from from nothing but nobody, especially in the industry. 00:48:52 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: I think I think I look home and influenced me more than anything. 00:48:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, which leads me into and I want to make sure I'm saying that's right. This this Nike collabse Yeah, I mean you gotta say something about that. It's fun. 00:49:09 Speaker 3: It was cool charging my man Malachi, you know, Don and everybody here, But uh it was it just good. It was like a little they wanted to launch a new model. You know what I'm saying. It's not easy to launch my new model. It's easy to do colorways, not easy to launch a. 00:49:25 Speaker 1: Brand new model. So was they model model off their new model? So it was good. 00:49:32 Speaker 3: My man Frank you know, you know them good guys in Nike basketball. They put to play together U kaz Andy. They worked with my creative director Pier and they put it together and that was a little moment for the city. And then we got like a really really really really really limited Nike boot. 00:49:49 Speaker 4: So I don't know, was that something you always set out, uh like earlier because you said you worked at shoe stores. 00:49:56 Speaker 3: I set out. I set out to do some things in the sneaker business. Yeah, I still I haven't achieved them yet, but you know, this, this was this was good, this was cool. Well, this Nike thing that we just did was good. But I got big dreams. It's a hell of a start though. Yeah Nike, Yeah, it's not normal. 00:50:17 Speaker 1: It's good. Good called me. They can't call me do nothing like. It's very few people that don't play a professionals. I can only name two. 00:50:34 Speaker 5: Kevin Hart, three, three who you Travis? 00:50:40 Speaker 1: And yeah? Four so four four that's off the top of my head. I can name more. But that would that would that would? 00:50:48 Speaker 3: You know? I don't want to take away from what you'll point you're trying to make. It's a good thing, not just a good thing. I just I don't get it. I don't get like overly excited about stuff that I know that it could be way more. It's a colorway to a shoe. They launched it, I got, I got a gazillion people are mad at me because they ain't get them. You know what I'm saying. 00:51:08 Speaker 1: Who knows if we're going to do anything else, it might just be that. So I don't know, you don't know. 00:51:13 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get excited. Well, if we do more with Nike, I will come in here doing cartwheels. Let's see what you think about right, You're all right? 00:51:22 Speaker 1: Then? Is that right? Then I answer? 00:51:24 Speaker 3: Then I answered, I don't want you to get no car likeey huh okay, yeah, cause now you know it's like you know, you know, like there's a lot like a lot. The major shoe company has been trying to do something with me for a while, but you know, I don't want to do stuff for like more stuff DC culture, more stuff like soccer not Jeria soccer like more stuff like just more ideas, more camps, more like fashion like DC fashion like a CGS like more innovation more or more just like I know, I know what I know what I bring to the table. They know what I bring to the table. That's why they launched a new model with with us so and it was it's very successful. So if I can get into my sway back, no where you're going? Are there any you got the dancers? 00:52:22 Speaker 1: Are there any hold ups in terms of you you you're doing your own putting this moving together? What with everything you're talking with me? 00:52:32 Speaker 3: Not really not really maybe a little bit maybe resources maybe or you know, the partnership, like you know, those things don't happen. It's like they're easy, but there's you know, there's a couple of hurdles. It's not like you can just roll out of bed and start something like that. But you know there's something that depth that's definitely like on the move board, like you're trying with this. 00:52:56 Speaker 1: This is a strong possibility. 00:52:57 Speaker 3: But you know, the main thing, the main thing right now, touring big records, got it, got it, a little film mantle say this little film, little. 00:53:08 Speaker 1: Film, and what's what's going on? 00:53:11 Speaker 3: I can't really say, but like you know, I'm not all the way down with that yet. 00:53:16 Speaker 1: I just think in this, you know, I don't. I don't especially in that that organically makes sense to you, Like if while if while they dropped the line, I'm checking to see what that is, absolutely man, But that's why I like, you do that, me, I do that. I need to do that right. 00:53:37 Speaker 3: I need to do it one hundred percent right, yeah, the first time, but now as a as a gazillion sneaker company. So you know, but that that's that, that's that's something that takes a lot of time, a lot of band with a pretty decent team to do it right. 00:53:54 Speaker 1: But it also takes it also takes an entity that we trust, right, so as we as we as we said with Yea, like we had seen him doing so much in terms of evolving from a fashion point to where when he dropped something, it was a certain trust that we had in wearing his name. Yeah right, yeah, And so for you, you've always been in this space of Nigga from a fashion standpoint, I do something different than nobody else. Does. I own this space right here? And so that's what that's my mind saying that Nigga, if you drop something, we're trusting that. 00:54:38 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:54:39 Speaker 3: I was like like a lot of companies like like we're bet on that. But you know, I've been in the rooms when they they don't they don't say they don't see it like that, you know what I'm saying. So, but you know, I much just see how this year play out. But you know, we want to do what we what we want to do bigger things, that's all. 00:54:59 Speaker 5: Did you set out out musically. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: To mix. 00:55:05 Speaker 5: R and B in hip hop? 00:55:07 Speaker 1: Look? 00:55:07 Speaker 5: Was that like A Was that like a thing that in your mind you were like, I want to do these type of records. 00:55:12 Speaker 1: No. 00:55:12 Speaker 3: Never, all I wanted to do was made like when I was first coming out like just like when like nineteen eighteen, I think I was still in like boy in Virginia State at the time, Like they was like, uh, man, you just you just a freestyle rapper, like you just wrap on other people beats, like like you know, like I was rapping on like whatever was hot at the time and Day was playing it. That was their first thing. You just you could you just rap on, you just freestyle, You're a battle rapper. Then I remember Brad like I don't I'm not trying I throw him under the bus, but you know, at some point I'm about to say the name, so we're gonna use Rahien old Man, I don't. I forgot his name, Jerry Roy the wrong manager. No, but it was somebody. It was somebody because I remember Marlin from a mine. It took me somewhere now belast somebody like I think it somebody Ryan can't like. And it was just like like I think I played like Rhyme in the Century and Rhyme Century was like that shit got me in a source and everything like It's just like a long like black Thought type of inspired record, just me rapping and I remember like being so proud of that. Jont and I remember playing it in there, and I remember Marlin told me like a little later, He's like, yeah, he said, all you could do is rap, like you can't make a song song. So like that weekend, I made dig the like I just I was like, I'm on the way to work and I got to beat from Southeast Slim. 00:56:37 Speaker 1: I was just like, I just made it. I was like, I'm gonna make a song. I'm much just make this. 00:56:41 Speaker 3: Jump crank for no reason, just absolutely just crazy, just make and they started playing it blew up immediately. Then they started saying he a go go rapper. You can't make like you know what I'm saying. So my whole that was my introduction to what Nigga telling me I can and can't do. So from that point on, it is like when I make a song, that's that I want people to enjoy in these places, I'm gonna make it the best way I can. If I'm rapping, I'm just getting my shit off. I'm going to make it as good as I can. They're gonna relate or not. If I make some that I think might be leaning to girls, whatever, I'm gonna make it as best as I can. Whether that be saying enough that make them get go or laugh, run it back, or make it enough that enough men will relate to what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. It's just whatever the arena is that I'm in, I'm gonna make it the best I can. I just think that women are more receptive because they just it's a song good, or that it's not like, oh, you know there's other thing like niggas be having crushing off crushes on these other like rappers for them to like the song whatever. Like women just like the song it's good. So I've had success there. But I also think I have some of the best verses out of every year for the past fifteen years. I got some of the best verses of the year. So you know, whatever is like, I get a knife one to be, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to smoke it. If I get you know, I get to Tony Tony Tony sample, I'm gonna want you try to give it. Tell us, tell a story, make it consistent, put a little put a little ear worm here and there. Like you know what I'm saying, I just make it the best that I can. Like whatever is in front of me that I'm excited about. 00:58:18 Speaker 1: H what's just the overview right now? What do you? What do you? What are you trying to tell people with this project? Everything is a lot I'm trying to tell them everything when you're manager walking bestaid. That is a wildlife title I've ever heard one. 00:58:39 Speaker 3: But from a from a from a but artist perspective, like just like, don't like stop comparing me to certain people from a music standpoint, like like stop putting me in this box of Like just like this is just music. Like Blanco was like a blue song. Lonely is like another blue song, you know what I'm saying. Like there's a lot of genre bendon Like I write these I come up with these concepts like like look deeper into what I'm saying, Like like I see y'all break a breakdown a lot of other people's music, like break this down just because I got the records on the radio. Don't like, listen to what I'm saying, Like, listen to it sound good, it feel good. Yeah, that's the first test. Now really go into what I'm saying. That's what I'm like, and I know, I know it hasn't really happened to the highest level yet because there's some there's things in that album people ain't gonna get into, like maybe like in the summer. 00:59:38 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 00:59:39 Speaker 3: It's all in there though. That's that's what I'm really saying as an artist on this album. Again, it's a great time to be creative, great too, great toom just just creative TikTok, dance with it too though. I like creativity is cool for me. The algorithm, toad. Fuck your creativity wears with your camera and your angle, look in your lighting look like give your dad bigger better, Dan, you better make something up man something marketing unfortunately, streaming like Lincoln with streamers. That might be the thing too. I think that might be like kind of plateau on but it ain't just creativity. Well yeah, I mean I just think that. 01:00:19 Speaker 1: I just think that the side of the time, you know, with Caliney, with with with Leon, with the way Chris is doing R and B, like with what's what's my guys from Virginia clips? 01:00:33 Speaker 3: With the clips, you know what I mean? Like, it's that's talent at height. It's a good time to be talented for sure. That's on a high level talented and and. 01:00:48 Speaker 1: We've just we've just been around long enough to see the pendulum swing back in our favor. When you do it only if you're well. 01:01:03 Speaker 3: I hope you all really like you know, I mean, like even now we got the most, we've got the obvious record move, but I'm still trying to take her out. 01:01:11 Speaker 1: Which one of my I don't even know. I don't even know what the single is these days, but like what's the next one after that? 01:01:18 Speaker 5: Way doing well on TikTok? 01:01:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, talk man, And is TikTok now yeah what I'm saying? Yeah, But then you know what, but like you know, like a song like tomorrow today, like like I'm doing like four part harmonies on my on the joint, Like people be like, I don't know how that song is so catching. I'm like, see see I need you Like that's me man, Like talk about that like you know what I'm saying, like elevating the thing and making it you know what I'm saying, making it makes sense. So it's like sometimes i'd be like, let's just put that up like you know what I'm saying, but I don't know it'd be great. They have like a couple of successful records on this album. I'll be fantastic, but we'll see you. I say something, let's let's see. 01:02:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's trend enough for you, brother, blood ahead. The music, the music is speaking. And I think the beauty of talk, the talks and and the twitters and all of these things is that, you know, as we are deciding to as we're deciding where to put this bag, need to give us some of the answers. 01:02:24 Speaker 3: Hey, does anybody have another label? List water with microplastics? Getty this label less though they have to pay for that. This is R and B money. 01:02:39 Speaker 1: You know that's what we need. R and B money waters, R and B money water, is it? 01:02:46 Speaker 7: No? 01:02:46 Speaker 3: You got y'all need the throat coat like the y'all need to be the McDonald's of throat coat because everybody needs the honey. 01:02:54 Speaker 1: I've been trying to get this honey. 01:02:55 Speaker 3: You should be R and B water Honey and R and B water tea, my army money tea. I won't thank more specific singer singer, singers, singers, binger singer. Every time I be backstage with her, I like the bigger the artists, the more funny it is. But that way, like the ship that they go through to get it where they gotta go. But everybody to coke dot coke, don't got it. Coat, don't got a PEPSI don't coat, don't got to like it. Don't they got they got they got coat. 01:03:26 Speaker 1: That's all you know. I think that shoul work work. See it don't matter, like let the people decide. 01:03:32 Speaker 5: Nigga, you just cold, nigga. 01:03:36 Speaker 1: Nigga. You sometimes throw a little whiskey in that jump. That's probably what did it. Probably what did it? No I had when I was down there with Tricky, they gave me some tea because I normally don't drink tea when I sing. You start sweating now. And he was like, he was like, he's like, how you feel like? I feel good? I was like, I just gotta, you know, rest up for the next take. He was like, just he just told him to get some tea and I'm gonna drink tea during right, And I drink that tea and blab it up every take. I was like, is cooking? This is new? I've done this before, so I might have to What sen tea was? 01:04:16 Speaker 5: I don't know. 01:04:16 Speaker 1: They put that thing in this thing. God damn God, damn. 01:04:20 Speaker 3: So they haven't set the best of I've been in the studio one time, like, damn, why I'm on my fifth song? What damn the damn fun was in these mother fucking down laders. Man, it was a little bitter, But the fuck is this? I thought it was a B twelve. 01:04:39 Speaker 1: It will B one hundred and twenty twelve. You on right now? Just keep recording what y'all do to me with that tea. 01:04:45 Speaker 3: But now I'm not like learning how that like even now, like I sang so much on the album and like I'm like, damn, like I'm really going to be on that stage on this tour like saying I do it sometimes, but it's like, you know, I'm like, I'm like really trying to learn how to like use I'm trying to learn to use my ship more either. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But one thing I'll tell you about saying on stage is that is that the live version can be the live version. 01:05:16 Speaker 5: Mm hmm, and they don't get caught up in it and then trying to make it perfect. 01:05:21 Speaker 3: And I just I think right now, I think I just be trying to figure out what what where do I do? I like what part am I committed to the top line? The top line or the backgrounds? 01:05:33 Speaker 1: Like like where what I take? Like you know either and I'm gonna say this, whichever one is more comfortable. And now I gotta do this cover. I gotta do a cover for BBC in London, And I'm like, who the fuck? Like I don't like when somebody elseid it was like do something from Queen? I said, Freddie Mercury, you want them to lynch me in London? To drive with Preddie Mercury ship? You know your national tragic? What you want to come out there? Dude? 01:06:01 Speaker 7: Yeah? 01:06:02 Speaker 3: Man, I mean not the a't know one by death you don't got really, but I don't even want touch nothing. But I can't sing like that, like like you know what I'm saying, Like and that ship, I'm thinking about. 01:06:11 Speaker 1: It every day. 01:06:12 Speaker 3: How do I get out of this ship? Mm hmm that's singing ship man love. I can do it with the Go Go bands. I got a perfect go go singing voice. But like, like, what is the frame of that that can be taken into the other space? What is the frame of that that makes you comfortable that you can take I just think that like most of the time I've ever had to sing, I've been right with like Trey's band, and they know how to like morphit around. If I start coming up with something and I start just going into like smells like teen spirit, They'll. 01:06:45 Speaker 1: Get, They'll get, they'll fix it. 01:06:47 Speaker 3: They'll do all the stuff that makes me comfortable that I don't know all the music nerve stuff like that makes me sound good because I do just friends music. Ereay show I do that. I do the first verse of that as a transition. So I'm I got it like a forty percent from the field with that joint. 01:07:03 Speaker 1: Some of them joint. Some of them sometimes I can, like, you know, but when. 01:07:07 Speaker 3: I get it right, they'd be like, damn, well, ain't know you was saying, So you want to teach me how to sing? 01:07:13 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can teach you how to say. I've never taught singing. Now, if you serious? I got a guy. I just talked to Robert. I just talked to find out. 01:07:26 Speaker 2: I got a guy. 01:07:27 Speaker 5: Find out I I just talked to him. 01:07:29 Speaker 1: I find out. 01:07:29 Speaker 3: But let's just see how I sound with the jont on more time, Like how wherever my plug is is? I need to know what what I'm capable of singing. 01:07:39 Speaker 1: So and then yeah, and from a production standpoint, have them line up that sound, have them line up that thing to where like you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. So she's doing Olivia Dan Joint. You understand what I'm saying. Throw a little something on that microphone. Yeah, no, no, that I got that. I got to make sure you. 01:08:03 Speaker 3: Dying for the one time. 01:08:06 Speaker 1: M h. 01:08:07 Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't really like all the I like. I like it to sound that I don't like to sound like like. 01:08:11 Speaker 1: R two D two. 01:08:12 Speaker 5: But it's just all in the levels. What's your favorite song before? 01:08:17 Speaker 3: I won't know to a sort of start mm hmm, maybe like maybe like loads or something they get that feeling before come on. I mean there's a couple of them to do that like I'm along with you though for me mm hmmm. Probably love the f bom Yeah, just because you know they wrapped it. They somebody that's the whole roscol tobacco that day when there was like and I'm like, yeah, somebody said the hook does all this matters? And I'm like, you ain't never been no show because when I do loadus they sing they wrapping the work too much that the hook is all the man. 01:08:56 Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody on it. Whatever. 01:08:58 Speaker 3: But anyway, like you know, a lot of people will think that you know what I'm saying, and the hooks are very important. Yeah, but I'm very proud of a lot of my songs, like they rapping diverse, even if there are tricky parts to rap that that I get off on. 01:09:12 Speaker 1: It definitely a little vindication moment that I want to do that. 01:09:15 Speaker 3: So body like a band was fun for a while until I mean, that's some things happening, but change the trajectory of that song. But yeah, it'su to be funny for him. Yeah, I mean it varies when I got a band. It's some songs are fun to perform, like mirror on the bands. When when I got a band, that's very fun to do. 01:09:35 Speaker 1: You know. 01:09:36 Speaker 3: I think I have a lot of fun doing like well power and problems on the on tour. 01:09:41 Speaker 1: So we'll see, how are you taking the band? Y'all know, y'all got. 01:09:47 Speaker 3: All right, it's not like overhead man, overhead overhead. We know we know how we get a different band in every city and everybody I don't Yeah, I mean in perfect world, Yes, because I I the dream is to get to a point where I could do like ten thousand any city and like it's eighty percent sixty percent, you know. But I want to bring my improv like like Eric robertson how he be like making up songs on stage. I want to bring that element that's probably somebody gonna steal this ship now, but like I want to bring that to like me with my hits, with my freest like just doing that with the band, because that's how it started with Go Go band, Like I'm looking at it looking around. 01:10:37 Speaker 1: Styling. 01:10:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want I want to add my the go Go element to make arena shows on the spot. Yeah you I know you are on this by I got too on the spot, gotcha, gotcha. I don't edit that out when he's still I'm a way to a blow up and the suit the ship out of all the ship and none. 01:10:57 Speaker 1: Now she she's my free nothing. That's my song. 01:11:01 Speaker 3: Now, that's my song now written by like, yeah, I own it all my name. 01:11:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's gonna be fun. That's why I can get it on. I can't. I can't wait to come and see what you go there you wanna come to one of the tour days. 01:11:21 Speaker 3: All right, that'll be the next time I see you probably right now. 01:11:26 Speaker 1: That's what I know. You see what I'm saying, So see you before the touring a lot and see that's what's up. It's just saying, I can't wait to see you and learn. List if I gotta, I gotta set a camera crew. The greens came out, and I'm gonna see you again. All right, now here we go. Now listen, brother Wiley, Jerry and brother. There's a lot of music in your in your archives. It is it has shaped the artists and the man that you have become today. You no music and the people I want this musical information from you. We call this what we call it. 01:12:26 Speaker 2: Our top five, your top five. 01:12:40 Speaker 7: Top five, Your top five are indeasing, are in me songs. 01:12:53 Speaker 6: We not to know before you go here on this show, everybody wants to go, yes, shut you out. 01:13:09 Speaker 1: Top four and A three, two, one five you We're not gonna do. I'm the only going to me. It's like, well he doesn't ship all the time. 01:13:39 Speaker 6: L A. 01:13:39 Speaker 3: Your top five R and B singers, Mike Stevie Whitney, m Prince, MM hmmm hmm, Marvin, and then I can't do five, keep going Map Marven and the stokely in there. 01:13:59 Speaker 1: Stoke is so. 01:14:02 Speaker 3: God listen, it's so fine. 01:14:09 Speaker 1: Forever in your mind. 01:14:13 Speaker 3: What you know, what you know about Hoping? Yeah, yeah, he's crazy as the way. Yeah, I know, I want to come up here fumble like babyface because baby will come with baby faces. You gotta remember that. That's that like the pen comes with it to the y sir. I mean, I know I said it, but just to just say it again, Like well, Whenie Houston was doing but her voice on the on the on the on the on the on the music that was playing, like like I want to dance somebody, Like the energy that's coming out of that lady on that song, It's like I don't even like that's like that's almost like a birth defect going on inside of to get bout, like to be belting out like that and that Super Bowl performers. Yeah, you know, I know, I said, Stevie's really really like like Stevie's really been him, Like you know what I'm saying. Some of the greatest songs ever I always say, like Stevie Wonders, like the greatest writer to ever do, like self deprecation in the song, like like. 01:15:25 Speaker 1: Like he's just like just like. 01:15:29 Speaker 3: Maybe you suppose that should happened across your mind, like just to even think to say that, like and buy some chance a girl like you. You know what I'm saying, Like he like he just like he just always knows how to make these songs that make like I'm so lucky to have you, like like Stevie just like you know what I'm saying like lately, like you know what I'm saying, like you know, like please don't be cheating on me, like you know what I'm saying, Like Stevie just him and obviously Mike my goat, like he just he can't be fucked with, like he can't vocalist vocalist. You know, I'll be Dangelo obviously I'll be having like hot Takes fifteen. Yeah I can't because I don't want. 01:16:07 Speaker 1: To, cause no, I don't want to. Like you rock bro. 01:16:12 Speaker 3: Go ahead, I mean you got, we got it, so we got we should probably have done it like in era. So it's gonna be mad. So we're going to over five and Mike Prince, Stevie Whitney with. 01:16:24 Speaker 1: He said, Stokely. 01:16:27 Speaker 3: Stokely's top five today in this moment right now. But I know I'm probably forgetting somebody, you know. Yeah, I'll just say that. Top five R and B songs, Man, Oh, Top five R and B songs. 01:16:46 Speaker 1: What's looking your phone too? You gotta play this card? 01:16:49 Speaker 3: I think Okay knocks me off my feet, Stevie Wonder, kick it off, Lady in my Life, Michael Jackson, because I have to put. 01:17:02 Speaker 1: I'm going to start right on some feathers. But there we go. Love music, it just is. It just is the greatest. It's just it just is created. 01:17:11 Speaker 3: You know, it just is you know what I'm saying. Pearl Raine, mm hmm, you know what I mean. It's a cover, but it belongs to Whitney. I always love it. It's just the reason why, like you can't you can't like mention like how powerful a song is, like if you're describing to an alien like what music is, and like how it's supposed to make you feel. Like you have to like you have to see how this song starts and how it ends, Like I don't know, Like I don't know, like if I would imagine like being in the in the room when that song got submitted and hearing it for the first time, like I don't care, Like everybody should be sweating when you hear that song, Like you know what I'm saying, it's too it's too crazy and the music joint. I think it's just like a modern a modern like post two thousand. 01:18:05 Speaker 1: Or right on two thousand. Classic. It just is it just is. 01:18:10 Speaker 3: Just a song like it's just it's immortal, you know what I'm saying. And I said, I said all I do know, I said, off knocks me off my feet. That and all I do kind of tied. So it's one they won be and I'm forgetting you want to give? Can I hear your fire? You probably done this a million times? Yeah, you probably Here we go, we're moving on, all right. You see what that smoke? Somebody not going not somebody going not hit him back. 01:18:41 Speaker 1: Going hit your time five. That's what I do. 01:18:44 Speaker 2: You know? 01:18:44 Speaker 1: This is this is my arena? Baby? Oh you know something in there? So what's the name? Guy being there breaking my heart? 01:18:51 Speaker 3: I got to I got to you just got to got to the way he's doing his runs at the end, Like that's. 01:19:02 Speaker 1: Just I'm like stokely opening opening drum solo him and Chris Daddy Dave. Welcome to the Mint Factory. Like I start there and then go into good for your Heart. I'm really know you well verse. 01:19:14 Speaker 3: Very much so very much so in that very much so, that's how that's why you know that stokely taking really much of a hot TAKEE No, that's. 01:19:21 Speaker 1: Not hot, that's the real one. 01:19:23 Speaker 3: Yeah man, he's he's We've done a lot of work together to our university. 01:19:28 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what what was up there in that fine arts building, changing lives. Let's make your super R and B artists. Were gonna call this your voltron. I want to know who you're going to get the vocal from, the performance style, the styling, the drip of the artists, and and and and you're well informed. Who's gonna write for this artist? I need that from you. Who you're gonna get one vocal from for your super R and B artists. Who's gonna write it? No one vocal? Who's saying vocal is you're gonna like you get all the vocals ever you've ever heard, You're gonna pick one to make your super. 01:20:01 Speaker 3: RMB artist Michael Jackson gonna sing easy. 01:20:03 Speaker 1: Work, the performance style on stage, it's gonna be whatever Mike say, go whatever Mike again, Mi Mike the styling of the artists. 01:20:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, how he's the styling of how to hold like the stage design and all that. 01:20:20 Speaker 1: That's mean the passion of the artists who mean it. Mike again, I'm taking Mike three Piace ain't mad at you. 01:20:30 Speaker 3: Mike was like he wrote this stuff, manifested everything. 01:20:33 Speaker 1: Who writing for this artist? 01:20:35 Speaker 3: Neo Sometimes neo ne or do for the same Some neo neo do stuff and this stuff that is like that was Mike, you know. 01:20:44 Speaker 1: What I'm saying. 01:20:46 Speaker 5: It would have been a great Yeah. 01:20:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he got he got stuff on this he got he got songs on his first album that like does probably throw away to him. Like, but I'm like, Mike, you and one of them, the conversation and those songs. Yeah yeah, yeah, Neo Mike singing so sick what Yeah, he don't know how to do mic better than Mike sometimes, you know, like super co All right, of course we got one more for you one month hold on and we got a mic that just keeps appearing. 01:21:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how we do. 01:21:22 Speaker 5: She's gonna look hilarious. 01:21:24 Speaker 1: You know how we doakes a black exploitation film. You know, you know the boom ain't all the way? Mama, where's Bucky? And what has he had? Here? 01:21:42 Speaker 3: We go? 01:21:44 Speaker 1: I ain't saying no nick. Yeah, I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no name. Was we's weird what you did? Don't see she? I ain't saying no names. 01:22:09 Speaker 4: So we had a very important part of the show. You tell us the story funny and fucked up. I'm funny and fucked up. The only rude to the game. You can't say no names. 01:22:21 Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, so risky. 01:22:24 Speaker 3: I think it's just talking about I'm having a great year too. That ship sounds risky the man. You know what, it was real fucked up. When somebody did something real nice to me one day. That was it, man, fucked up, fucked up. I'm found in somebody pool. I'm founding somebody pool at their house because it was dark outside and the sensory thing they ain't going and I just felt in the pool like walking on the fo I'm in the pool and I had to make a decision if I'm gonna cuck. Someone knocked back on the door, like soaking wet, like Darryl I fucking coming to America like Lisa dumping soaking wet, and I make a decision like I could just say I had to go real quick and like you know, but uh, I said, man, let me just do it. I had a new Virgil Jordan's on soaking wet at the toe. And he just laughed at me like for like ten minutes, like it's just I'm like, bro, I'm wet, I'm soaking, okn't get it? Okay cool? I thought he was writing, and he just came down with all his merch, merch, all his merch, like T shirt, crazy pants from the merch making. 01:23:37 Speaker 1: I said, you need to do do it? Need a hat and the poster it too. I'm just looking at this. I'm just looking at this, two thousand dollars out of over waters. 01:23:44 Speaker 7: All. 01:23:44 Speaker 1: It was wet, man. 01:23:46 Speaker 3: Let's just get back to work. Man, I'm just looking shirt don't fit me or nothing. 01:23:49 Speaker 1: Just I'm there. It was embarrassing, but you know, all good. I think that's a great stre that's actually a great story finished. 01:23:59 Speaker 3: I walked very very diligently around like anybody's pool, like whether lights are on or not, Like I don't even with pools and with regular clothes. 01:24:08 Speaker 1: On, swim a little bit. I survived. 01:24:12 Speaker 3: I was in the deep end, and you gotta understand, like going from walking on regular right to all the pools in the pool and the pool is wow. I'm like, so many things were happening. I didn't know if I was like, I don't know. Survival is all I have to say. It's very, very, very very I was. I'm like, yo, nobody gave me scream or nothing like ship, so I just yeah, like thank god they let us swim for free. When a little man, Oh yeah, that could have been bad. 01:24:44 Speaker 1: I'm bad. That's a great story. That song would have never came out. That you didn't leave is even better. Right, He's like, man, we got to get to work. 01:24:53 Speaker 3: I just didn't the lies that I didn't know what lie to go with. But man, all right, nigga, while your pooled, why likes don't work? 01:25:01 Speaker 1: Like dog? Never mind me? Why I know you know where niggas can sue like that's like for me, it's not on me no more. But no, brother, man, listen, first of all, we appreciate the time. Man. We appreciate you. Brother. We are very very honored and glad that you made a stop with us man to promote this really really great thing you're doing. And moving on. We we are home for you. Whatever you ever need from us, man to say the word and it is what it is. But we we are thankful that we got an opportunity to celebrate you man. Thanks you having man. I appreciate it. Tell you what you mean to us because you you're You're a guy, brother, Thank you. I'm You're a real guy. It means a lot, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank, I'm Valentine and this is the R and B Money podcast authority on all things R and B, H, Little wed and wild. But we gonna get the work done no matter what. Yes, sir, the talented, the incredible, the artist Man, it's him, Walla

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