#304 Old-School Cops - Stories of Grit, Guns, and Gut Instinct

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That's something I talk about every week.

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This week our guest is none other than Roy
Huntington.

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Thanks again for joining us.

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Or once again, Roy, you're on the podcast.

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Still, Still joining it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I came up with today's topic
and it was actually after last

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week's topic,
we kind of got on a, a rant a little bit

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or not a rant, kind of talking about,
cop stories, which we haven't done

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in a long, long time.

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And they're very popular.

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But, you know, it's one of those things
we try not to lean too heavy into it

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because we're not sure that
maybe they're entertaining for us,

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but we're not sure
if the audience feels that way.

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But yeah, the audience loves them.

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So, Roy, I think you said,
hey, let's let's do some more cop stories.

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So I put my little thinking cap
on, and today we're going to talk about

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the unprofessional history
of law enforcement.

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And let me do kind of a
it's a semi disclaimer.

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We're both far enough out from the job
that we don't have to worry

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about statute of limitations.

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Not that I don't know

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that any of this really would potentially
involve criminal activity,

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but what I'm talking about

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when I say the unprofessional history is
we used to do the job a lot different

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than they do today
with body cameras and cell phone cameras.

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And I'm not saying we did it
illegal, immoral or unethical, but,

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We speak for yourself.

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We did things. Differently.

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Okay.
That was Roy Huntington, right? Pair of,

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No, these

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are stories that, you know,
I think people find funny.

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You know,
you tell them at parties or whatever.

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Oh, man, you ought to, you know,
go on the air and talk about that.

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And I got to say, most of the cops, we be
talking about this before we got started.

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You know, we're pretty reluctant
because you never know.

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Our own Eric Gill House,
the editor of American Cop, actually

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had a complaint filed on him from
something that happened a long time ago

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because he merely smiled at a story
we were telling one time.

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So, if you're one of those people,
you get upset hearing how law enforcement

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really works.

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Back in the day,
when we took care of business,

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there you go.

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Read between the lines.

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So anyway, I will say, getting into this,
Roy, I've got I've got lots of stories.

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I know you do, too.

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I, I, I just want to say that
I really feel like I've got a pretty good

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pulse on, cops across the country
doing what I've done.

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And I really don't feel like our agency
ever crossed a line,

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and certainly not in a major way.

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I know some agencies
did, some individual officers do,

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but I think we just did
what had to be done.

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So you're you're left coast
take on how how the job was done.

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Well I

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think people today need to remember that.

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Certainly when I first donned a badge,
as it were, this was the early 70s.

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As you said,
we didn't have all this technology.

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I mean, the radios in the cars
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work, you know,
and they were known dead zones,

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you know, around the city
there was a small city, Chula Vista.

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And, when you

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when you went on patrol in the field,
you got a police car,

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more than likely not a portable radio,
because we only had a few.

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And if you did have a portable,
portable radio,

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whether it was going to work or not,
but it was just really a crapshoot,

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you know, they did usually,
but sometimes not.

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And, so you had, at the time,
we had a single

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red bubblegum, you know, light on the top,
which was changed to blue.

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And we thought that was like so high tech.

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Right.

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Then we did get light bars eventually,
but they were the old,

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you know, rotating lights
inside of the plastic housing.

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So, you know, and I had a straight
night stick,

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I had a six inch model 19 revolver.

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I had two speed loads and a cuff case

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and, well, at first,
not even a maglite flashlight.

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I just had a rayovac silver, you know.

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Yeah. These eyes. Flashlight.

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And there you go.

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You're out doing police work. So.

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Yeah, it was kind of. Here you go.

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Go forth and commit law enforcement. Yeah.

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And but I think though
it's like anything though,

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and this is rampant today.

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People think you can fix a problem
with technology.

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You know, it's like,
well, I'll be a better policeman

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if you give me a better radio
or I'll be a better policeman

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if my car can go faster or,
you know, whatever it is.

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And but I found in the old days and
and frankly,

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I think it's lacking to a certain degree
among many cops today.

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Some of them are excellent
police officers.

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Most of them are.

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But I think that baseline gut

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instinct, police work, you know,

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is, is suffering.

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You know, I mean, because I know

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we didn't have the internet
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any system was down
trying to trying to run

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somebody
or wants or warrants or something.

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So you had to rely on your wit
and your wisdom and your charm,

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you know,
to get to the bottom of of, of cases.

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And I know when cops say, well,
this is my gut feeling, you know.

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Well, no, actually, it was your feeling
based on your experience,

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you know, stories you've heard the fact
you stopped this guy before.

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I mean, all that stuff cumulatively, is
what cops call, my gut instinct, you know?

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Yep. And, you know, I've talked to
my friends that are still on the job.

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Of course,
they're getting younger and younger.

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You know, the guys that I trained are now
supervisors and chiefs and all that.

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And, you know,
that's hard for me to imagine.

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But we've talked about this quite a bit,
and it seems like,

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the way
policing has changed, one big way is

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violent crimes going down.

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It seems like back in the old days,

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there was a lot more hands on type stuff.

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People would tend to resist.

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They would tend to fight,
but they didn't try to kill you as much.

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And nowadays it's like all or none.

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People don't want to fight.

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They may run, like they always do, but
even vehicle pursuits are kind of down.

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And a lot of jurisdictions.

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But the guy that's cooperative
now will pull a gun and try to kill you.

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And that's that's kind of,
one of the big differences.

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And when I talk to
the young guys are like,

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tell us again, Papo,
about walking into a bar fight.

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You know, I talked to a guy the other day.

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Been on seven years,
never been to a bar fight, ever.

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Right? Like what?

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Yeah. You're right.

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It was Saturday
night for us, you know? Because.

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Because now if somebody is playing pool
with some other

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and a guy at another table says something,
this guy is insulted by it.

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Somebody pulls out a gun or a knife. Yeah.

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And tries to kill him.

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Not even just the shooting.

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It's I'm going to kill you.

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And they do, a lot.

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Well, I agree with you because bar fights,

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like you said, if it was Friday
or Saturday night, you was bar fights.

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Yeah.

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You know, and, more often than not,
you get there and everything's over.

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And the bartender
gave him each a white bar rag,

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and they're wiping their bloody nose off,
and they're buying each other a beer.

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Yeah. You know.

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Exactly. And, sorry.

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It was just a misunderstanding.
Everything's fine here, you know?

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But you're right.
Nowadays we'd be counting bodies.

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Yeah, well, you know, I,

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I think I told the story before,
but it was a watershed moment to me.

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There was a guy in town, you know,
there were several, but this guy was kind

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of like the lead bar brawler in town,
and he was a big, strong guy.

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And you knew if he was involved
in a fight, number one,

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the other guy was probably going
to get the worse end of it.

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Number two, if you had to go up
against him, it was a fight.

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It was a scary fight.

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Well, anyway, I got a call to a bar
fight one day, and they said.

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And this guy took off,
the other guy took off.

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So I go out and I find his car,
and I'm thinking, okay, let's get ready.

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And I shine the light.

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And his nose looks like a debone chicken,
and he's bleeding and all busted up,

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and he goes, I'm getting too old for this.

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Yet I thought, wow, an era has
certainly passed, and it certainly had.

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But you know, and we're talking
the unprofessional history.

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I think this is a perfect lead in kind of
where I was going with this that,

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you know,
I think our attitude at our agency

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was we treated folks how they treated us.

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And if they wanted to be an ass about it
and fight us,

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we made sure not only that we won and that
they understood that's not a good thing.

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And I'm not saying a beating commenced,
but we use the appropriate level of force

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and some of the stuff nowadays,
you know, again, on body cam,

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people would look at that.
Oh that's horrible.

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Oh no, it got the job done.

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And even even kind of the troublemakers
sort of understood.

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You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

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And I was looking at my list of things

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that I'd kind of jotted down,
which took me about three seconds.

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But I was thinking one of the most common
things was,

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you get somebody into cuffs
in the middle of summer, and it's 3 a.m.

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and it's just hotter and all get out.

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Even here in the Midwest, and your car's
been running for 12 hours straight.

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If they wanted to be a problem,
you'd put them down on the hood.

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Well, let's work this out.

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The hood was about 6000 degrees. Right?

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You might hear a sizzle or two,
and they'd start completely hot.

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Well,
you should have thought of that before

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we put you in cuffs
and still tried to fight us.

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So, And the corollary to that was
we had white cars most of my career.

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And if somebody bled on the hood
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generally let that stay and get kind of
served as a warning, you know?

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So, yeah. Oh,
and what's that? Blood. Blood.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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Now, now it's a hazardous material
and we have to clean it.

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I know, I know, and I, I mean, I
don't know if, if today is better or not.

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There's a part of me that says,
no, it's not better.

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You know, you and I had freedom
that the cops today don't have.

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I mean, everything today.

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They know exactly where you are.

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They know exactly what you're doing.

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There's video of everything you do, right?

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And then also everyone around you
is taking video of what you're doing.

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And so taking it out of context. Yeah.

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I don't think today cops
have the kind of, of ability

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to make subjective decisions

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to, to do the spirit of the law
rather than the letter of the law.

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Exactly. Because the problem is,

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if I stop some kids in a car
and they've got some beer,

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you know, well,
then in my time you evaluate who you are.

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Here. Nobody's drunk. Right?

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You know, maybe there's
an open container in the back.

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They're positive.

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They know they did wrong.

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They're, you know, a local high school
football players or something.

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You know, we would confiscate the beer
and or make them pour it out.

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Yeah, right.

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Which is painful because they just
had to scrape their money together.

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Yeah.

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And then

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I do a field interrogation on them
and send them home with a stern warning.

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Right. Well, I mean. I know.

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Because I would frequently
follow up at home, you know, and I would

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say, hey, I just want to let you know
I stopped your boy tonight.

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And, you know, we poured the beer out

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and the you know, the parents were always
extremely thankful.

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They appreciated the fact
that I had all the way I did.

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There's no doubt in my mind
those kids lives were.

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Hard for a. While. Yeah. You know, and.

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And today, I don't think you could do that
because there'd be six people there

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filming you, you know,

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as you get the kids out of the car,
letting them dump the beer out,

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you know, so there would either be half of
them would say, gosh, that was great.

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The cop understood
and tried to do the spirit of the law.

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The other half would say,

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you know, it's this is just terrible
that they didn't enforce the law.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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And it's well and the part
that makes me crazy is the use of force.

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And, you know, so many of the things
that we have thought over

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the last ten years
were a terrible travesty of justice.

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Well, once cooler heads prevailed
and the evidence was looked at,

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evaluated empirically.

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Well, now suddenly

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the narrative is promoted by our, quote
unquote, friends in the media.

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And of course, social media
maybe not turned out to be true.

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And I've got actually a

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I know I'll probably get a complaint

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because I'm laughing about it,
but it was funny when it happened,

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the guy wasn't seriously hurt,
and he learned the lesson.

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We were, working one night
and this guy had, I forget it.

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He it was one of those nights.

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Every once in a while,
you get somebody who is every single call,

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you know, you get vandalism,
you get a fight started that, you know,

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you have 4 or 5 calls and you get there
and it's like I was Billy Bob.

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And then you go to the next call about
Billy Bob Dylan was here and he ran and,

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you know,

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so we were looking for this guy all night,
and we know he'd created problems.

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So I and a, another officer found him,
and the foot pursuit started.

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Well,
it worked out that we got him corralled,

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and he was was drunk and high and stupid,
and he tried to fight us and,

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you know,
push and shove and kick and bite and,

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I think he went
for the gun of one of the officers.

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So that went from just a scuffle
to, you know, this is serious business.

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Well, we get him to the car.

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He's still fighting and carrying on.

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We've only got him handcuffed.

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So I throw him in the car,
and the officer with me

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thought that I got him in the car,
and he started slamming the door.

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Right, so he couldn't get back out.

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After about 3 or 4 slams,
I said, oh, wait, his head's not.

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In the car all the way.

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He'd been for all he's worth,
slamming this guy's head in the car.

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And I don't know,
I don't even think he drew blood.

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But, when we got to the jail,
the guy had calmed down.

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He's like, man, I'm sorry,
I don't want to do that again.

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And I have to think having your head
slammed in a car door 3 or 4 times,

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probably learning occurred,
and he realized that's stupid.

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I don't want to fight the police.

293
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So unprofessional.

294
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You know, probably
if somebody videoed that.

295
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Oh, horrible as me, guys,
that was an accident.

296
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But it did. It serve the purpose?

297
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I think it did. Well.

298
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You know, that's it's like, if it could be

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if you could trust all police
to do technically whatever

300
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the right thing is for this situation,
then it would be easy, right?

301
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But you'll always have
the ones that don't understand.

302
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They take it too far.

303
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Yeah, you know, etc.

304
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etc. but, you know, I.

305
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I like there.

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Used to be a thing,

307
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I don't know if they still do it,
but it was, it was like the pile on.

308
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Right? Yeah. Yeah.

309
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So if you had somebody that you got 3
or 4 cops are you go to put cuffs on him.

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He starts to fight you.

311
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Well he think.

312
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Six cops would jump on this guy.

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It's it's done Pac man. Right.

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And then afterwards,
there would invariably be

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somebody
who would complain of police brutality.

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You know, the fact that.

317
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Well, why does it take six cops
to arrest some guy? And.

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But you know what I think

319
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I could never make people understand
is the fact that that's much safer.

320
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The duking it out with 1 or 2 guys,
I mean, because that means the cops

321
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jump on him holding down, turn him over,
put the handcuffs on, pick him back up.

322
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Right.

323
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If it was just me
because I've had to do it.

324
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Outcomes. The nightstick.

325
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You know, I mean, so suddenly
a guy who would have just been pushed down

326
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to the ground and, and,
you know, and handcuffed is now

327
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getting hit with a nightstick, you know,
because I'm not going to fight him.

328
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And so I, I don't see really any of that
going on nowadays because it seems

329
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now what they do is they, they like,
they immediately go to less lethal.

330
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And you know, there's just been some times
where I've seen two,

331
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three, four cops standing around.

332
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There's one guy you can tell
he is about to go crazy.

333
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You know, it's time for you to jump on him
right now, right? Yep.

334
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And that's on.

335
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Yeah.

336
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So he starts to go crazy.

337
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So outcomes two tasers.

338
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There are you know, and again
I think that's a, reliance on technology

339
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when really just good old,
you know, police work would work.

340
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Well you to do something at a nine hours.

341
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It, it was it
an administrated administration of justice

342
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I think maybe like your, you know.

343
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We used to have do something
called a screen test.

344
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And I know what you're talking about.

345
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Yeah.

346
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So in those days, it was an extruded

347
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metal screen that separated you
from the prisoner in the back.

348
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I know most cars now.

349
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They've got, you know, plexiglass

350
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or something, because nowadays
they idiot spit on you for some reason.

351
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They never spit on us in the old day.

352
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Well, because they knew
they were going to get their ass kicked.

353
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If they did. That would be an ass kicking.

354
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I'll admit that freely. That was.

355
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Oh, yeah, that was a line
you didn't cross.

356
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I actually did that.

357
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Or one guy did that to me,
and I just quietly reached like this.

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I squirted his

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ass with my mace in my police car.

360
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Right? Yeah.

361
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And, and then I finally took him out,
hosed him off, and it all worked out.

362
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Everybody was happy after that.

363
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,120
But, yeah, what a screen test is, is

364
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you have a guy sitting in the back
seat of your car with handcuffs on

365
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who has been a raving asshole,

366
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and or he's beat up somebody badly.

367
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Maybe he's a child molester.

368
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Maybe he's just. This is a bad guy.

369
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Yeah,
and he's still carrying on in the car,

370
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you know, trying to kick the windows out,
trying to, you know, just out of control.

371
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Well, what we would do is you'd go,
whatever, 15,

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20 miles an hour
and then put the brakes on really hard.

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Well, of course I don't know

374
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if they probably seatbelt them all
in nowadays, but we never seatbelt anybody

375
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in in those days.

376
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And so then they would,
they would go forward, smash

377
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right and smash their face on this, great.

378
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Which sometimes a bit,

379
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you know, you get a little like cut
or a bloody nose or something.

380
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But you know,
what would always happen afterwards?

381
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They would just sit back there
and quietly behave after that.

382
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Usually, you know.

383
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I had a guy
that, threatened me and my family and,

384
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and he said he knew where I lived,
and he was just being one of those.

385
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And then I got to the jail. They're like,
you need help?

386
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I'm like, no dog ran out in front of me
3 or 4 times.

387
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He's he's calm. Now.

388
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Well, you know, when we used
to drop him off at the county jail.

389
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I'm sure this is different to,

390
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the county jails are usually run
by the sheriff's department.

391
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:25,880
You know, we were city cops.

392
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So your arrest, somebody,
bring him down to the jail.

393
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And they had this thing that called intake
and so what that was, it was an area

394
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that you would park your car outside,
get your your prisoner out.

395
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They would open up a door,
you would go inside, they closed the door

396
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behind you and then you're in a little
like a cell essentially.

397
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And then to one side
there was what they called like a intake,

398
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you know, that was where they put you
right after you get booked.

399
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And then over here
is where the deputies there.

400
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So you'd hand a booking slip to the deputy
and they would say, you know,

401
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okay, you know, this and this.
And you go, okay, thanks a lot.

402
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,680
And if it was a smooth transaction,
you unwound calf, cuffed the bad guy,

403
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,560
the door would open.

404
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,560
He would walk into the holding cell
and then the door reclose

405
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you would thank the deputies
and you would leave.

406
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But oftentimes, you know, you end up

407
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dragging two cops a drag,
some guy in here and he's kicking

408
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and fighting and screaming and calling
everybody names, and he calls the deputies

409
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names and,

410
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,560
you know, I'm not going to do anything

411
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you tell me to do
in stronger language than that, right?

412
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:25,840
Yeah.

413
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,840
Well, I was always amused

414
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because you would look over
and you'd see the deputy look,

415
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,200
and then suddenly there would be
five deputies standing there,

416
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and then

417
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the door would go clunk,
which was unlocking the door,

418
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and it would open,
and then they would come in

419
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and take this guy
and take him around the corner.

420
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,120
Because they had a rubber room
right there, you know, for the real loons,

421
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,240
you know, and it just so happened
there, the rubber room area also,

422
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,440
there was no cameras visible anywhere,
you know, and I know people today.

423
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I'm, I'm
sure there are many people mortified.

424
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,240
I'm sure there might be cops
listening to this going like, yeah,

425
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,040
Why don't we have that today anyway?

426
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,480
So then you would hear like,
and when you're here,

427
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,040
you will be very respectful and say,
yes, sir, no, sir.

428
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Do you understand?

429
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,280
And you'd see him start to you like.

430
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,200
Oh yeah, well. And you'd hear him go, oh.

431
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,720
You know, and then it's like,

432
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,880
okay, just to reiterate, from now on,
you will be a gentleman while you're here.

433
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Is that correct?

434
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And then usually 2 or 3 cycles of this
and then it's like yes sir.

435
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,840
Yeah sorry sir.

436
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And then he would come back in

437
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,520
and is like sweaty and pervert, you know,
hits and faces all red and stuff.

438
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,880
And then they'd put him back

439
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,720
up, I'd put him, you put him back up
against the holding tank door, and then,

440
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,080
then the deputy would come back and say,
let's do this again.

441
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,240
Let's try again.

442
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,400
Mr. Johnson, do you understand the rules?

443
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,000
And yes, sir, I do, you know.

444
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,600
Okay, officer, you can under handcuff
him, doors going open.

445
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,480
You're going to step in there?
Yes, sir. And then.

446
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,360
You know.

447
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,040
Oh, it was funny. And then.

448
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,680
But we of course loved that. It was like,
oh thank you.

449
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,600
Yeah, well, I'm going to tell a story.

450
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,800
I had not intended to tell this story,
but for those of you

451
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,520
who complain, it's 40 some years ago.

452
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,760
The person who did this has passed away.

453
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,480
And the person who did it to you,
I think is still a fugitive

454
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for justice or dead in a shallow grave.

455
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,520
He was a piece of work.

456
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,120
Well, anyway,
my very first shift at the jail day shift.

457
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,080
So nothing's really supposed to happen.

458
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,480
Well, they bring in a fighter,
and this guy was literally.

459
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,440
I mean, he had a stack.
We used booking cards.

460
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,240
He had a two inch stack of book and cards.

461
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,040
This guy could get arrested all the time.

462
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,840
And he wasn't just the town drunk. He was.

463
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,720
He was a fighting drunk. And just.

464
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,080
Just an awful human
being created problems for everybody.

465
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,880
So they bring him in one day
and he's fighting.

466
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,800
So the guy I'm working with
was a retired police officer.

467
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,120
So he's older and, he had a reputation
for not taking a lot of guff.

468
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,920
So he's
trying to show me how to book in a guy.

469
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,360
And the guy just giving him a ration,
and then he kicks the desk.

470
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,480
So the guy I'm working

471
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,760
very calmly takes off his glasses.

472
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,040
Yeah, that was them and sets them down.

473
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,800
I'm like,
oh, this is going to get interesting.

474
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,640
So he said, are you going to cooperate?

475
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,400
And the guy, you know answered
with a string of terrible expletives.

476
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,800
So my coworker walked around

477
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,280
and the guy kind of started to stand up,
even though he was still cuffed

478
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,040
to the bench.

479
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,440
And all of a sudden, my friend grabbed him

480
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,760
just two fingers
right here and started going, bonk.

481
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,360
Bonk, bonk on the on.

482
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,600
The concrete wall.

483
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,320
And I'm just. Going, oh my God.

484
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,360
And by the time he, you know,
he was doing this 2 or 3 times,

485
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,920
and then he turned to me and goes,
sounds like a watermelon, doesn't it?

486
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200
Well, and it did.

487
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,400
And, so he quit after a several of the

488
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,520
this guy had like, the little tweety birds
going around his head.

489
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,640
And my friend sits down, puts his glasses
on, says, like you said,

490
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,560
are you going to cooperate now? Yes, sir.

491
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,560
And I thought.

492
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,560
Well, we can do that here. That's crazy.

493
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,640
Well, you know, I mean.

494
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,640
It's like you spank your three year old
when he steals the cookie.

495
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,960
You see, there's. Nothing more, right?

496
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,760
That's that I know. Yeah.

497
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Not anymore, I know, but, you know,
we used to have something called the,

498
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,120
Everyone calls it a chokehold,
but it's not a chokehold.

499
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,000
Yeah, a choke is
when you, like, can't breathe, right?

500
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,080
We used to use
is called the carotid restraint.

501
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800
And so we were all taught
that everybody used it.

502
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,320
It worked great.

503
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,920
So you basically, to the bystanders, it
looks like you're killing somebody, right?

504
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,360
It looks like you are choking him out,

505
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,120
but you're not the
if you're not familiar with it.

506
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,280
So you put your.

507
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,520
Yeah, the crook of your elbow
around somebody's neck.

508
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,400
So his, his, airway is right in the crook
so he can breathe.

509
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,160
Fine. Yeah.

510
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,080
But then when you put apply pressure.

511
00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,320
Yeah.

512
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,880
That stops blood flow to the brain.

513
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000
And if you do it right. Bubble.

514
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,360
Yeah.
I mean, literally within five seconds.

515
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:10,400
10s. Max, they just
you feel them go limp, right?

516
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,320
They're out.

517
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,880
And, so then you roll them over,
you put the handcuffs on.

518
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,560
And about that time
they start to come back to life

519
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,040
and they say, wow, what happened?

520
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,280
Yeah.

521
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,440
You know, and it was wonderful
because it kept you out of fights.

522
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,080
It nobody got hurt.

523
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,480
You know, we never had any problems

524
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,360
with anybody that we used
the carotid restraint on, you know?

525
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:33,840
Yeah.

526
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,880
And but

527
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,000
I, I don't
think that's allowed to be used anywhere.

528
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Thank you.

529
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,480
No, no, I mean,
I remember where I work, the drinking

530
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,560
driving enforcement squad,
and I'm not a big guy.

531
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,040
I'm like, you know, five,
nine, 175 pounds in those days. And,

532
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,680
you know, drunks fight
and a perfectly sane lawyer

533
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760
who would normally be respectful
and call you sir.

534
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,680
You know, if he's a if he's A15,

535
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,680
suddenly you're the asshole cop.

536
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,240
And, and you can just tell as soon
as they go from, oh I'm your best friend.

537
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,800
And then as soon as they begin

538
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,000
to begin to realize
that they're going to get arrested,

539
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,320
you can see him
tense up, you see him balled their fists.

540
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,520
And at that point I would know
all the fights are going to be on.

541
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,400
You're by yourself.

542
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320
It's 3:00 in the morning somewhere.

543
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,840
And so I would just immediately
leap on him and put the carotid.

544
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Restrain. Hold on.

545
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,640
No warnings, no anything.

546
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,680
Just I go from standing there
holding my clipboard to.

547
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,880
He's in he's in carotid restraint. Yeah.

548
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,360
And then they wake up.
They're in handcuffs.

549
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,880
Everybody's friends again. You know.

550
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760
And sort of kind of.

551
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Yeah.

552
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,520
So yeah, at least we
we have the hierarchy in place after that.

553
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,640
So. Yeah. Exactly.

554
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,840
I mean, I had you know, I mean,
we both have a thousand stories of where

555
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840
we took,

556
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,640
subjective decision making in a situation

557
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,040
that may be by the law,
somebody should have been arrested.

558
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,080
But I think in the further
furtherance of justice

559
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,600
and the spirit of the law,
what we did was probably the right thing

560
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,800
to do where you let people go
or you have to have a dressing down

561
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,280
with a 14 year old,
you know, or whatever it is.

562
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,280
And nowadays, because I,
I've talked to young cops, you know,

563
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,480
we have a great group of cops
that work around us here. And,

564
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,520
I mean,

565
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,120
their general contention is
you do everything by the book.

566
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,480
If it says you have to arrest him,
you arrest him

567
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,920
because they don't want to take a chance.

568
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,080
They don't want to risk, you know,
getting in trouble or censure or anything.

569
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,720
And I just think that's takes,

570
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,960
I think an important part
of being a policeman is that ability

571
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,720
to make decisions to meet the situation.

572
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,600
Yeah. You know, but.

573
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600
But the world is a better place today.

574
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,960
Anyway,

575
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,480
one thing I, I wanted to circle

576
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,480
back and talk about
is getting to the jail.

577
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,160
And this was funny too,
when I like I said, I started at the jail

578
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,360
and I know a deputy was bringing
in a fighter middle of the night.

579
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,400
And, I was that was back when the jail
might just have me working there.

580
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Wow. You had to learn, you know, that,

581
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040
if you show fear,
if they will eat you alive.

582
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,640
And, there was a lot of times
I was quaking in my boots, but I

583
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,720
acted like the meanest

584
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,480
S.O.B.

585
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,120
on the block.

586
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,640
Yeah, you know, that was it.

587
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,520
But, anyway, I knew the fight was coming
in, so I'm.

588
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,320
You know, at this point,
I'm kind of seasoned,

589
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,760
and I'm kind of looking forward to it.

590
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,320
And the deputy walks in, I'm like,
where's the prisoner?

591
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,240
I guess I know he's out there
and I'm like, you left him in the car.

592
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,080
He goes, oh yeah, he's not going anywhere.

593
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,560
He was in the trunk.

594
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,480
That was back in the days before
we had cages or any of those restraints.

595
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
This guy was being a pill, as they say.

596
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,920
So he locked him in the trunk
and actually drove around a little bit.

597
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,560
And, by the time I walked out there
with him to get the guy out of the trunk,

598
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,120
he was like, I don't I don't want to.

599
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,760
I just want to go to bed.

600
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Yes, yes you do.

601
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,880
Well, so that was the beauty
of the old Crown Vics.

602
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880
You know, I,
I always loved the Crown because,

603
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,560
you know, full size rear wheel drive,
plenty of room in the back seat.

604
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,320
You could put five people in the trunk
if you needed to.

605
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Yeah. You know. No,
I agree with you completely.

606
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,160
I mean, you know,
it's the difference between.

607
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,680
But is that old adage about,
oh, there's the boundary, right.

608
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,000
You know, it's like one of these guys
crosses that boundary and it's like,

609
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,000
oh, there is, you know, well.

610
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,320
Sidebar real quick,
the Crown Vic and I drove it

611
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,320
the majority of my career
until I got a Dodge Charger at the end.

612
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,040
And I drove like a rookie.

613
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,920
That thing was stupid fast. I loved it.

614
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,120
But anyway, Crown Vic's most of my career,
and I always said that Crown

615
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,560
Big Vic's during, you know, this time
period, the 90s, early 2000,

616
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,000
they were the only law enforcement car.

617
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,440
And I've often said they are the best 4x4
utility vehicle ever made

618
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,960
because I know
I and every other cop in America

619
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,320
put those things in places that

620
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,680
a four wheel drive would be afraid to go,
and we drove right through it

621
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,880
got stuck occasionally,
but for the most part, it was all how you

622
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,800
you feathered the throttle and your brakes
and you'd get there.

623
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440
Gee, who here has driven over
a thousand curbs?

624
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,360
You know?

625
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Well, that's why I always look at them
intentionally.

626
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Yeah, some of them intentionally.

627
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,480
I always think it's funny
because if you see somebody

628
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,640
with the obvious old former police car,
YouTube, they used to sell the fleet.

629
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Yeah, right.

630
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,560
And so they take off everything,
but they'd leave the doors, whatever.

631
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,560
If they were black and white or whatever
color police car were.

632
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,280
And because it.

633
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Excuse me,
it always had a spotlight still.

634
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Yeah. Right. And you could tell that.

635
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Oh yeah, that

636
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,760
maybe sometimes the remains of an antenna
on the trunk lid or something.

637
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,280
But it's so funny because you would.

638
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,840
So if you stop one of these,
I would look at these people and say,

639
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,960
why on earth did you buy a police car?

640
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,440
And they and they would say, like,
well, it's only had 55,000 miles on it.

641
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,280
And I know the police maintain them
perfectly, you know.

642
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160
And I used to tell them, well,
if it has 55,000 miles on it,

643
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,640
it probably has more like 350,000
miles on it because.

644
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,600
It, Three shifts a day,
it essentially never gets turned off.

645
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,040
Yeah.

646
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,680
You know.

647
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,520
We just drive them. Awful.

648
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Yeah. Yeah.

649
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,320
You know,
I mean, you were being so slamming,

650
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,320
you know, the tires are always warm,
you know,

651
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,320
in the front from turning corners
too fast that.

652
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,520
Oh, absolutely beat that.

653
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Because if you break it,
you just go back and get another one.

654
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,800
I quit.

655
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Well, true story.

656
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,880
When I retired, the boss called Mingus
what you do to your car?

657
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,360
And I said I didn't do anything.

658
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,360
It was in perfect shape

659
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,960
because really, he said
we had to completely redo the brakes,

660
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,920
and it only had, like,
you know, 12,000 miles on it.

661
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
I said, well, it was fast.

662
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,320
And I decided I was going to enjoy
the last few months of my career.

663
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,840
And I just abused that thing started,
you know,

664
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,960
from a stop sign, as hard as I could break
is as hard as I could.

665
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,960
And, yeah, it I am not proud of that.

666
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
I'm a I'm a little proud of it, but.

667
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,160
We had fair months in the early 80s. Yep.

668
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,520
And they had a 255 cubic inch V8 engine.

669
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,160
You could put the engine in your pocket
if you wanted to.

670
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Right.

671
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,800
And if you were on a freeway
on a down slope,

672
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,240
you could get about 85
out of it eventually.

673
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Right?

674
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,280
And had no acceleration whatsoever.

675
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,000
Couldn't steer
and you had about two good brakes in it.

676
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,120
There was you could like brake hard,
go around the next turn,

677
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,080
brake hard,
and now you don't have any brakes.

678
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,080
You know. Yeah it's true.

679
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,200
I and at another thing, I don't know
if this still goes on either, but,

680
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160
you know, we used to have what are called
pull cars and so each beat.

681
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,680
And those were even worse.
Oh yeah. Those were.

682
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,920
But yeah like ex taxis
that I think they bought

683
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,960
and they painted them
to look like police cars and yeah.

684
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Because nobody really owned them.

685
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,240
If you had a beat car,

686
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,400
the 2 or 3 guys working
the beat tended to take care of it,

687
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,320
you know, because you'd get
with the other guys and say,

688
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,600
hey, look, don't leave
your sunflower seeds on the floor, idiot.

689
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,600
You know?

690
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,480
So they tended to say, okay,

691
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,520
once I got a lot of miles on there,
we transferred to beat or to to pull cars.

692
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,200
But, I don't know what it is,
but in those days, cops,

693
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,600
they crashed a lot, you know, and,
and I maybe some of it was

694
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,520
because the brakes were bad
and the V8 engines were fast.

695
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,000
I don't know what the deal is, you know,
because it's certainly the modern SUVs.

696
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080
They handle better, they stop better.

697
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,720
You know, I'm sure that keeps they have a
what do you call like automatic traction

698
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,760
control and stuff.

699
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,720
You know we never had any of that right.

700
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,960
But you know I remember one night
it was in the beach area.

701
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,480
And you know how
if you have a divided, roadway.

702
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,200
So there's lanes going north, lanes
going south, this is in the city,

703
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,560
and then there's a raised curb below
Raised Island, you know, in between them.

704
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Right.

705
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,080
Well, these cops were going
like 80 miles an hour where they shouldn't

706
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,520
have been going 80 miles an hour.
And they lost control.

707
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120
And they went perfectly
right on this island.

708
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,040
Except the problem was the wheels fit
on either side on the roadway.

709
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:28,920
Right.

710
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,480
And so this basically tore off
everything underneath the car,

711
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,120
you know, and.

712
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,240
Yeah. So then they went,
oh, we're in trouble.

713
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,680
It is graveyard.

714
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,920
So they.

715
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,280
Hauled.

716
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,280
Ass back up to the area station,

717
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,040
parked the car in the lot.

718
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,040
Right.

719
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920
It took another one and left.

720
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,600
And of course, they,

721
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,600
you know, in those days now, you know,
there's no jeeps, there's no anything.

722
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,120
It was a pull car.

723
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,200
So theoretically, when you go out,
you're supposed to write

724
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,200
the car number down on your daily journal.

725
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Right, which was taken,
which was maintained by pen and paper.

726
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,360
Right.

727
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,360
So what they did was
they just made another journal

728
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,720
with, with the whatever
the new car number is.

729
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:16,400
Right.

730
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,240
But, you know,
there's always somebody somewhere.

731
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:19,920
You know.

732
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,560
And sure enough, they got a card.

733
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,760
You know, everybody got a vacation
on the beach after that and stuff.

734
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,960
But that's.

735
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,440
I doubt very much
that kind of stuff goes on today

736
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
because I'm sure they have your DNA.

737
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,720
Yeah. You know.

738
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,920
Well, you know, I always joked in my,
my career, especially

739
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,280
when I became a supervisor,
that you could walk into the squad room

740
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,360
and there could be a severed human head
sitting on the,

741
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,800
desk, and you'd start asking around, got,
I don't know.

742
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Yeah, it was,
it was there when I got there.

743
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000
It's not really. It's a human hair.

744
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Yeah. No, I don't know.

745
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,720
So now there's no.

746
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,600
Yeah, yeah. Now it workers.

747
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,720
Everything's got cameras.

748
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,160
Everything has a,
you know sensors everything.

749
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,560
You know I mean I'm not saying that
today's way of doing police work is bad.

750
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,880
And I know we're going to have fun
comments and everything.

751
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,880
Oh, yeah, but but, I mean, it's just like,

752
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,760
though let's take it further back.

753
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Let's take it Wyatt
Earp time or something.

754
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,440
You know, I mean, Wyatt Earp used to do
what they called Buffalo guys.

755
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,160
It's a sequel for that guy.

756
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Yeah, and he would knock them on the head.

757
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Yeah, it is the barrel of his gun.

758
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Which is why I like,
no longer barrel guns.

759
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,960
Yeah, and then they'd make him
kind of cross their eyes.

760
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,800
A bit like the carotid restraint.

761
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,720
That was the carotid
from the old West era.

762
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,240
Yeah. And,
so you take him in a cutscene? Yeah.

763
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:38,840
It was like.

764
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,440
Okay.

765
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,200
No, but everyone standing around
were happy that, you know, Earp

766
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,480
took care of this bad guy, right? Don't.

767
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,280
I'll fight you right now.

768
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,600
The Lord

769
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,480
talk about having subjective decision
making, you know, process out there.

770
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,800
Well, why did you shoot him
while he needed killing?

771
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
You know?

772
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,720
Yeah, yeah.

773
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaking of Sheriff Grady in Florida.

774
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's great.

775
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Don't you love him?

776
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Yeah, I love it.

777
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
We're going to shoot you,
and we're going to shoot you a lot.

778
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,520
You don't.

779
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,560
It is true.

780
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,640
So I don't know, I,
I, I don't think I ever did anything

781
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,120
that was technically arrestable.

782
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,120
I definitely did things
that were against department policy.

783
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,560
But I think a lot of times, though,
that it made sense for the situation.

784
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
And in someone in the Golden Tower
corner office,

785
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,240
just just looking at the facts of the case
would make some kind of a decision.

786
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,360
But boy, unless you're the guy there,
unless you're boots on ground, you know,

787
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,680
unless you smelled the smells and saw the
blood in the crying kids in the uproar,

788
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,360
you know, it's like, why did you arrest
the dad out of the house?

789
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,720
You know, surely we could have called
social services.

790
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,520
No, actually, you should have been there.

791
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Yeah. You know. Exactly.

792
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Well, good stuff.

793
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,800
And, you know, it's the bad part
is, as I'm sitting here,

794
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,960
I made a little list to start this,
and we didn't get to most of it.

795
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400
And now I've got a thousand other stories.

796
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,760
That's what happens
when we start telling these stories.

797
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,240
So I'm thinking, Roy, one of these days,
let's just run the camera

798
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,800
and just no time limit
and just let it go and see what happens.

799
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,400
But, But we could do that
and then break it up into episodes.

800
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,960
We could, you know,
we could, because you're right right now.

801
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,800
I mean, I've got six more things
and not necessarily

802
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,320
just cop stories, but the reasons behind.

803
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Yeah. The things that we did happened.

804
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,240
You know, I mean.

805
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,160
I remember.

806
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,480
Cops going to the dentist on duty,
you know.

807
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,480
Oh, yeah.

808
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,800
And you pick up your laundry and,
you know, I mean, my friend and I,

809
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,040
we worked a two officer unit
for a long time doing speed control.

810
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,360
And we were both tool guys.

811
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,800
And so we would just kind of also make
the rounds of the tool stores, you know,

812
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,560
and it was really interesting because
today I would feel a little uneasy.

813
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,360
I don't know,
but in those days, you didn't.

814
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,440
And so here are two uniformed cops
with their radios blaring.

815
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,440
You know, we're walked into some, like,
harbor freight of place.

816
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Look around, but nobody cared.

817
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Other was they were like, hi, officers,
how are you?

818
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Do you need help with anything?

819
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,120
No, we're just like, oh, okay. Thanks.

820
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,400
You know, I mean.

821
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,880
It being in a small town, we had hangouts.

822
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,640
You know, the captain
like to hang out here.

823
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,440
The sergeant was always there, and.

824
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,400
And it didn't always involve a, a woman.

825
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,200
There was just a lot of,
you know, you know, he liked to hang it.

826
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,800
One guy used to hang
Joe's used furniture every shift.

827
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,600
And somebody. You know what? Joe liked it.

828
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,400
And that was community
policing at its best. I.

829
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440
I don't know that you should have spent an
hour out of your eight hours there, but,

830
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,320
you know, at least there was no crime.

831
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Why was there?

832
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,280
Well,

833
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,880
if there's nothing going on, you know,
it's like there were a lot of restaurants.

834
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,880
Dunkin Donuts, for instance.

835
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,320
That's a place that we would go
and you'd sit because it was all paper

836
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,160
reports, right?

837
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,360
So you would get out of the car
for a while and sit there.

838
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,280
You're still on call, right?

839
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,360
But you're just trying
to get your paperwork done.

840
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080
And, of course,
the girls at the Dunkin Donuts loved it

841
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,360
because your police car was parked
outside,

842
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,240
and nobody's going to be messing with them
while you're sitting in there.

843
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,400
And, you know, little, little restaurants
were happy about that. And,

844
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,120
I remember

845
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,120
the hospital's used to have a dedicated

846
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,440
most of the hospitals
had a dedicated little room, kind of.

847
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,000
And it was the police room.

848
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,680
And so you could go to the hospital

849
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,400
because you'd be
they have a clean bathroom, right?

850
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,200
You could wash your hands with soap.

851
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,880
And, chances are good
you could also eat at the cafeteria.

852
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Most of them would let us see that.

853
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,800
The cafeteria, and then the nurses and
everybody were really happy to see you.

854
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,880
And more more than one time, there'd be
a couple of us in the officer's room

855
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
catching up on paperwork,
and this wide eyed nurse

856
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,280
had come running in and saying,
hey, we need you now in the E.R., right?

857
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Yeah. And so we would drop everything
right into the E.R.

858
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,480
and end up in a fight
with some idiot or something.

859
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,440
So, yeah, I don't know
how much of that goes on anymore, so that.

860
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Well, let us know.

861
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,080
I think that's a good stopping point,
because otherwise we could go

862
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,040
on for hours. But,

863
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:18,720
drop me an

864
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,920
email that would be editor
at guns podcast.us.

865
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,760
Or if you're watching on YouTube,
make sure that you leave a comment below.

866
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760
I'd love to hear what you think
and what you believe.

867
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,760
And I know our audience includes
a lot of old cops, and I get such a kick.

868
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,600
And I know Roy
does too, about, hearing your stories.

869
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,520
So let us know.

870
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,200
And, who knows,
some of it may turn into an episode.

871
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,360
Before we go, a couple of,
housekeeping items of course.

872
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,720
Make sure you like and subscribe.

873
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,440
I always ask,
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874
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,800
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875
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,840
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you can go to FMG pubs, of course.

876
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,840
And they make great gifts
for the shield of shooters in your life.

877
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,520
But, Roy, I wanted to, give a special
shout out to guns magazine.com.

878
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Now, we've had, a number of changes.

879
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,520
We've talked about it,
a couple of episodes ago,

880
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,520
but guns magazine.com is still a thing,
and we're still putting out great content.

881
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,360
And if you like what we were doing,
I get that.

882
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:20,840
You know what?

883
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,480
You know,

884
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,320
folks aren't necessarily happy about paper
going away, but it is what it is.

885
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,680
And if the, folks are still there
and I'm still the editor,

886
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,160
so, you can go to guns magazine, dot com
and check out all of your favorite stuff

887
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,120
and all the stuff that you used to have,
you know, years ago.

888
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,240
So in anything on top of that, Roy.

889
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,920
No, I think

890
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,160
people forget that the like the guns
magazine,

891
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,960
website, American handgun or.com two
that you can access hundreds and hundreds

892
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,120
and hundreds of articles that you've seen
in the pages of the magazine.

893
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,840
So, you know, if you're
if you're new interest is the new sig,

894
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,280
something will go to either of those
or both of those websites.

895
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,760
Use the search engine type in what it is
you're looking for, and chances

896
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,760
are really good
you're going to see a lot of information,

897
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,320
you know, including video links
and what and stuff like that.

898
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,360
So and check out our YouTube channel,

899
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,600
FMA publications on YouTube
because there's a lot we do have.

900
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,160
What what do we have
I think 2000 videos there now.

901
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,320
It's so it's a lot. Yeah.

902
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,240
So well good stuff.

903
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,320
And, I'm so sorry. Tom McHale.

904
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Yes. American handgun.com.

905
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,200
I wanted to focus on guns magazine,
but both of those are still there.

906
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Both are still putting up content daily.

907
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,800
So go check that out.

908
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,680
And one final thing, Roy,
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909
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,680
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910
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,280
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911
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,480
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912
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,520
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913
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,080
So check that out.

914
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,080
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918
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919
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,880
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920
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,800
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921
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