Charlie Sheen Reunites with Mad Max, Steroid Use for Major League, MJ’s Trash Talk

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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Jack is it day two of season six? Yes, we're still here. We still here. They still like our show, and they still want to pay us. We appreciate every I can't believe that ship. Yes, sir, but today man very special guests. So when we all grew up watching and admiring and and and want wanted to be like baseball legend in the movie Realms. Welcome to the show, Charlie Sheen.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell a quick story, like you'll never know how we end up getting our guests. Sometimes we run into them out and about, sometimes like golf with them. Sometimes you fucking run into people at the bathroom at the Canelo Bud Crawford fight. And that's how this interview came about. I forgot who was there was someone else in there with us because we all actually took a picture right when we walked out of the bathroom, but we were using the bathroom, and I was like, oh shit. It kind of caught me off. I was like, fuck, I'm a huge fan. I'm a fan fan too, and we start talking to someone else chimed in. I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna go for it. Would you would you like, yeah, I'm actually going on tour right now, but I'll be gone for this amount of time. As soon as I get back, I'm in. And literally he said he was gone for a while, and as soon as you got back, you hopped on set. Here we are, here, we are you said.

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Speaker 3: You said to me, Okay, so who on your team should I reach out to? And I said, you're talking to my team.

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Speaker 1: That's the best way to do it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like traded numbers right there. That's the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah't even know if we had washed our hands yet, but fuck it, we were in the moment. We got it done, and we got it done.

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Speaker 4: We got the deal done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did new book, new doc Doctor is number one on Netflix. Talk to us first and foremost about the documentary. You've got deep and personal and intimate and really opened the curtains on what has been a hell of a journey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I figured if I was going to do it, there was no reason to half ask it. And and it also, you know, it just gave me an opportunity and I think in the in the in the right forum to just get some stuff, just get it off of Yeah, just take it out of here and put it out there, and because I know how it's played out.

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Speaker 1: In here, and it's heavy and it weighs on you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it flashes up.

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Speaker 1: On you at different times, unexpected times, really just jump out like. That's something he and I have talked about. We had an interview with Jason Wilson and I. You know, obviously we've all had our different journeys and struggles, but I told him I hadn't cried in thirty years. And it's just like being able to whether it be you releasing it through a documentary or releasing it through tears, just we always men carry a lot of shit.

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Speaker 3: I had one the other night, Yeah, kind of an awkward one. I was doing a show in Long Island and the guy it was towards the end. It was a like an evening with promoting the book, talking about you know, the journey and all that stuff, and he said, would you would you close the night with the reading from the book? And I said sure, what do you want me to read? And he points to this chapter towards the very end, and I could feel it with the first sentence. I knew I wasn't going to get through it. And it was that kind of thing because you know, we want to protect like the tough guy in us, right, but people want to see that other side come through. So I did. I did get through. But you know what's interesting is whatever, like especially in like a documentary or an interview or something, anytime a guy starts to cry, they always apologize. Have you noticed that they are always like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, And I think we're conditioned to keep it keep it together. Yeah, And I.

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Speaker 4: Kind of got away from that though, Like in my last four or five years, I've been very vulnerable crying, you know, because losing family and going through a lot of ups and downs and actually you know, even having successful, being through so much that to bring tears. And I think the best that I became my better self when I'm able to easily let that out not hold it in. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a it's like a cleansing of sorts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, number one doc on Netflix and then also new book out. I think it's behind us sober for seven years. How are you enjoying? How are you enjoying this version of yourself? And because you're someone who the good, the bad, the ugly has always played out in front of the world. So there's not even like there's any skeleton in your closet. So it's been some ship, Charlie, but not gonna lie. But but to be able to own that and now start this new chapter of life, what has that been like for you?

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Speaker 3: It's uh, it's it's it's it's been a just a welcomed transition, you know. I mean, it's great to be back in the mix. And I was talking to a million my brother just the other day about that. You know, all this momentum and all this goodwill and all this attention and all this love of has been generated by doing two things that aren't what I do, are not what I'm known for. That I just rolled the dice, and I'm like, sure a doc oh and book at the same time. Why not?

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's been kind of.

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Speaker 3: The pattern of of of my careers, is you know, been kind of with that motto why not never really had like you know, plans and and and things like mapped out and and and and that's great, you know, because you make plans, we know what happens, right, But no, it's and I and I couldn't have done either of these projects. I think sooner, you know, since putting down the bottle, getting off the dope, just all that crazy ship, you know, so I I I needed enough distance and enough perspective between some of that insanity, all of that insanity, and then just kind of a return to accountability, a returned to nobility. And it No, it's people say what do you do for fun? And I'm like, I wake up alive you now? Yeah? Right, No, I'm literally in the mornings, I'm like, all right, cool, another day, another day, all right, let's let's see, let's see what's up, you know. But it's and I also didn't want to wait too long to tell these stories, you know, because then do you start forgetting ship, you know, And it just and and the fact that they came together at the same time, not planned.

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Speaker 4: Storm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a perfect storm.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're very open and vulnerable and honest on both of these projects. Going back through this process and starting to make these you obviously had to relive a lot of good and bad times.

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Speaker 4: Is that like for you?

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Speaker 1: Mentally it was challenging because you couldn't this time.

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Speaker 3: No, no, and I just I just you know, made a decision and stuck to it. You know, I really wanted to honor the process and just honor just to honor myself. And and you know, inspired by that, you know, we don't that I don't have to be defined by the mistakes of my past, right. And it's like even when people come to me and they'll talk about, oh, and this thing happened and that thing happened, and I still can't get past and I'm like, so, when did this happen? Like I was about five years ago. So I tell them, and this is the ship I tell myself, Like, all right, then go back to that moment and bring me something from that encounter, from that day, if it was if it happened at a lunch, you know, bring me a bring me a piece of bread from that lunch. And they're like, well, I can't do that. That's ridiculous, And I'm like, exactly exactly. I mean, it doesn't exist. It exists, but it doesn't exist anymore right now, you know. So that that's the thing that that that really drove me was that I think people have responded in a way that that they they know that that I'm always going to own, yeah, own my stupid.

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Speaker 1: You know what has the response been with this?

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Speaker 4: I think that's what I think that's why people love you. Thank you because thank you know what I'm saying, Like, especially guys like us. You know, a lot of people have deemers. A lot of people stuff the stuff they deal with, but a lot of people hide from it, right, And the only way you can move on is dealing with it. And the person you are on is successful. You are the way you deal with it and own up to it. That's only perspective by guys like us.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I I never really knew another way to even before I was an actor, you know, just like.

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Speaker 4: It's not a playbook to it.

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Speaker 3: There there there there sure isn't. And you know they teach us as kids, if at first you don't succeed, try try again. Well what if at first you do succeed.

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Speaker 4: Then what then what? Yeah, they don't teach that way. Good luck.

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Speaker 3: I think it's at the end of that one, you know.

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Speaker 4: That's a good one. The Adventures of Mad Max and Charlie. She We're gonna welcome our homeboy, mad Max Vernon Maxwell on the show. You remember this guy?

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Speaker 3: Hi, how are you. It's good to see. I'd stand up, but nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to come out and I had to stay around and say a little.

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Speaker 4: Man all right on yeah, connection through Frank. Yeah, I met through Frank. Wait a minute, yes, Vernon Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: Burnon Maxwell, Oh ship, I didn't know you were Mad Max.

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Speaker 4: I'm damn.

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Speaker 3: We were hanging out in San Antonio to wait a minute, you as crazy night, but you haven't aged like one day. He looks good, said, brother, you look amazing. Man. That's not fair. I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't put the Mad Max together. My bad. What what a treat to see your.

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Speaker 2: Yeah man, YouTube.

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Speaker 4: I had to stay around and see.

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Speaker 3: You, man, Wow, that's awesome and everything.

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Speaker 1: Some nights together, Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Over at the Frank's house. Oh s He told me. I don't know if you remember, but the four.

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Speaker 2: No, that was that was another person. But we me and him and Frank used to have some nights at Frank's house.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when Howie Long came? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you remember?

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Speaker 3: Hell wow?

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Speaker 4: That was that was crazy dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah scared wow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, goddamn Frank.

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Speaker 3: He didn't just take it to another level. No, he kept.

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Speaker 4: It there all the time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was a scary night that night too.

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Speaker 3: No, and and and and he can dunk right from just from a standing position.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really yeah, he was really yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then do you remember his son was there, He's in a photo with me court something and he was like six Chris, yeah, almost big as you.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: He then then like wins the Super Bowl? Yes, yeah, or played or did he win the one where Folds took over for Wentz was.

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Speaker 4: On that team?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah crazy So wow yeah, man, nice to see you.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you. It's been a minute a minute.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, I want to bring them damn days back up on you, but got no.

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Speaker 3: No, those were like great memories.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, nice to see you.

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Speaker 4: But likewise, to talk about.

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Speaker 3: It, how about that? How about that? Still here to tell the story? Frank used to talk about, like you with your shirt off in the locker room was depressing for anyone in there.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, nobody in fact, man, I had nobody like none.

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Speaker 3: So were you like cold all the time?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, stay cold all the time? Wow?

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Speaker 3: You were like at zero yeah.

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Speaker 4: Zero it was they said it was unhealthy though. Zero.

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Speaker 3: I mean you got it, like you I think your brain needs some fat, right a little bit? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Damn?

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Speaker 3: And wait, who who is the guard? I can't remember? Alvin Roberts, Oh my gosh, yeah, quadruple doubles remember right?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think one of them on mushrooms? Remember right or wrong?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think.

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Speaker 4: It makes right?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I got all about that ship.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's right, he's right.

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Speaker 3: But can you imagine, yes, I don't know, getting that high and then suddenly there's math involved.

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Speaker 1: What the hell? Man?

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Speaker 4: Quickly, that's crazy. Man, I've golfed on mushrooms.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine. Who up?

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Speaker 3: Doc Ellis? Yeah, with like ten walks? Right, didn't he hit? Didn't he hit the first three batters?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Wild craze.

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Speaker 3: Wow, man, he thought he had a day off. He was back at the hotel and he's like, oh fucking I'm just gonna just get down. And then they call him. They're like, yes, somewhere today's starter got scratched. You're the next man up. And he was like, let's do this. Yeah, what a trip?

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Speaker 1: Evening A little early to pitch exactly how to test the ball to Steve? What's on it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he was a big time NBA fan, uh fixed at the l A games. Give me some memories of the nineties and eighties in NBA.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've I've only seen one game at Staples and sat down close because most of the stuff that I saw was courtside at the former and it was the lights would go down, were like the only thing lit was the court, right, And I went to Staples and I'm like, what the fuck right? And it was bright and I'm like, where are my sunglasses? People like that dude's loaded, right, and it just it just it felt so it didn't feel intimate anymore, you know. And I and I was front row for for two of the Celtic Laker finyals. Yeah, and it was wow. And so it was hard to then get excited about just a different brand of basketball after that. So and it was during that time that I met Frank Brokowski and he sent the ball boy over one night. It was right in the middle of the platoon. It was like eighty seven and just everything, you know, the world was changing. It was because you know, my career is pretty much BP and AP before Platoon, after Platoon, and they talk about overnight and it was literally that, and so you know, it's like dating one of the Laker girls, just checking every fucking box. And then Frank sends the ball boy on me. He's like, mister Brokowski, would like to meet you after the game. And I'm like me and he's like yeah, man. So I go back there and that that's how it started, you know.

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Speaker 4: So now I know what people say about me when I walk in there with my bill my glasses on, and you're right, and you're right.

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Speaker 1: But what I mean, obviously being the huge sports fan you are to see magic in bird and just those history back and forth, but the court side and see it. I think a lot of people if you don't get the opportunity to be courts I understand how big and fast and strong NBA players are, but you've got to again see it at the highest level with some of the greatest guys to ever do it.

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Speaker 3: It was, yeah, it it's it if to explain it to people that weren't there, you can't really deliver the essence of it, you know, you can't really paint that picture. It was just it was. It was magical. You know, no no pun intended Johnson part of it, but yeah, it, Uh, just watching you know, James Worthy, you know, just a spin move at the baseline and just you know, that's that that that signature Donkey had, you know, completely extended, and just.

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Speaker 4: Like any relationships with any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, a little bit, yeah, because I would then kind of just be a bit of a groupie and go to road games and yeah, kind of peeking in the locker room, get in here. So it was it was kind of cool. There was a thing though, where I took a took a photo with Magic back when you take your camera back to the drug store, waiting a few days for the freaking photos. And it was a great shot and I had it blown up, and so Frank arranged for me to like get it to Magic and have him sign it, right, and he wrote to Charlie, I hope all of your dreams come true Magic, And I was like, wow, wow, I'm so touched. Right, I framed it, I hung it. Cut to about six months later and Frank and I are in the hallway and he's still with the team and he sees a kid get a photo handed from Magic to him in that hallway and he's looking at it and comes walking past us, and it says to David, I hope all of your dreams come true. Magic Johnson. So mine was suddenly that's just fucking what he wrote. This is what he wrote. Oh well it's still specials still special because that's mine money. But then Frank's at my parents' house, like on a day off and gets traded. The year they won the it was eighty seven, eighty eight, okay, right, yeah, it gets traded and they and they and they win the championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's these Malibu afternoons on my days off. I'm out of here.

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Speaker 4: Huh. He was also in an Oracle when Baron Davis dunk on Carolinko when we were in Golden State.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Todd and ire Todd.

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Speaker 4: He's in here.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's in here, I said, dude, I think I think they were both at that game that I flew up to. Can you check? Like where? And they both was the last season there. I was watching it unfold on television like, whoa, there's something special going on here. This is intense. And then Mark Berg, my old manager, who you know very well. Yeah, so Mark's, well, my buddy's got a jet, I can get tickets. Do you want to just go to the game. And I'm like, let's do it. And so we fly up and we get there like five minutes for tip off, and and that's that game. That's that game. It was. The place was unhinged. Seriously, the wheels came off. It was so exciting, you know that for.

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Speaker 1: Us to talk to us about how you developed a friendship with Michael Jordan's well.

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Speaker 3: How did that happen? Uh? It started with that the one thing that's in the dock. Yeah, and uh, this just this opport tunity just fell out of the sky. There was this show, short lived show pitting actors against athletes in their in their respective sports, right, and and the card we drew was was Jordan in a in a in a two on one and it was me and my dad, and so we didn't I mean, we were just like, sure, why not, We'll get embarrassed on on national television together, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlie, he was.

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Speaker 3: Something happened that day.

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Speaker 1: Before, I guess, so, yeah, No, it.

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Speaker 3: Was just one of those things because you know, I I I never played on a team. I just played baseball, you know, but I shot with dad in the backyard like my whole childhood. In fact, I had to grow taller than him. So I finally block his baby hook one day because that thing tortured me, tortured me, and I'm like, I willed myself to reject it. And so he and I were, you know, we we we'd accepted the gig and and and he was like, you know, what's our plan against this guy? And I was like, I don't. I don't. I don't have one. But if we just spread the floor, if we just don't get you know, clumped up, I don't think he can guard two people at the same time.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know if he could do that right.

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Speaker 3: And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man, do not do not roll out that that hook shot on him, because he's going to block it with his armpit. And there's a if you ever get a chance to see that whole game, not just what's in the dock, there's a moment where Dad does a head fig tries it and Jordan blocks it with with al Yeah it was awesome, but yeah, he but he had to shoot his free throws with his eyes closed, so, you know, but bit hamstrung there.

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Speaker 4: We actually done that in the game though, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Really wow, damn, because somebody was, uh, he was what what what?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What instigated that?

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Speaker 4: Normally normally talking trash to somebody? Braun tried it to Bron tried it. Wow, successful, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Here it is right here, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's like that. Well I saw that in person. So yeah, So then I got his number after that, and we stayed in touch, and then I would go, you know, when I could afford it, right, when I you know, a p after platoon, right, and I would fly out to Bulls home games, you know, And so I was kind of stalking him as well, you know. But yeah, and then then we did uh then we worked together on a on a on a commercial campaign. We did Hanes, we sold underwear together, you know, So that was that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you beating him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later, yes, yes, he raised it from his memory.

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Speaker 3: We were doing this interview and it was like a behind the scenes thing just for their their content reel, and and so the guy the interview asked about that game, and I'm like, well, yeah, I'm not here to rub it in his face. But yeah, and he's like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't. Uh uh you did not. And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's on video. He was like, don't matter, matter, don't matter. You didn't win, you didn't win. And I just thought, Wow, I guess if you could just convince yourself of some like will change the outcome. But no, he's a he's a he's a lovely man. There was a time when I would text him and this dude would literally respond in like fifteen or twenty seconds. And I never did it like in front of people to show off, like watch how quickly mj gets back to me. Right, No, But I was just like, wow, it's but I would use it like that's now the bar, and I would tell my friends. I'm like, dude, it's been like four hours. Michael Jordan responded seconds. So it was a valuable tool for me, you know. Oh, and so I missed. I think I missed my first free throw, right, but then I hit I hit eight in a row, and then on the last shot, he's he's seated like three feet from me, and just under his breath, he goes choke and I missed the last one. Yeah, so he got in my head, you know, hasn't he.

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Speaker 1: I love that he just erased it from a memory, so it never happened.

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Speaker 4: That's that sounded like MJ.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it why? Why is there even a debate?

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Speaker 4: Right? Right? You never live?

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Speaker 3: I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think.

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Speaker 4: That everything It's kind of obvious. Right, Let's bring it back to the beginning. Attended Santa Monica High School, same school and time as Robert Downey junior. That was crazy. Rob Lowe and Sean p safe to say, uh, you didn't leave any undi't live in normal teenage life, but all around all those guys possible.

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Speaker 3: Yes and no, because we were all still trying to do like normal teenage.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to be normal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I and I was still fantasizing about some type of a baseball career. I played all three years at at Samawahai and I was never in the the theater department there, but down he was, and Sean and Rob was a year ahead of me. Sean was I think five ahead of me. So Sean was already working and you know, doing films like Fast Times and Bad Boys and like Cover a Rolling Stone, and it was just like whoa. But we knew, you know, making the Super Eights and and you know, doing that as our kind of our hobby slash proving ground, training ground. We knew Sean was taking it a lot more seriously than the rest of us, just because he he had a just had a fire and a drive and a focus that was really intense. I mean, terrific guy, funny as hell, really cool to be around, but you know he's got that thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And to Spaccoli, that was his.

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Speaker 3: Like not even not even no, but he surfed. Sean was like a really good and so so he was around those guys. Yeah, and he based the character on this complete burnout that he used to surf with. There was a gu named Jeff somebody I can't remember his last name, but he was he was kind of like a known Malibu podhead, you know, and Sean was like, I'm borrowing all of that and and brilliantly character right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting.

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Speaker 3: So, but but just back to that thing about that we were all there and would ultimately go on to do what we all did. It wasn't really you know, whenever we didn't sit around the lunch table and like talk about you know, well all right, and then then then good luck with that. I'm gonna stay.

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Speaker 1: You know.

00:27:44
Speaker 3: There was no like, it wasn't like it was just it just it just happened. And then I didn't finish high school. You know, I was like that close, and they wouldn't they wouldn't just throw in a couple of points that I needed, right and and so you know, I had to hang up my cleats, and that was kind of one of those moments, you know. But I used to go to a baseball camp in a place called Miller, Missouri, and you had to go through Kansas City for a connecting flight. And on those those walkers, those automatic sidewalks in airport, I pass Willie Wilson and Amos Otis and they're like a foot from me, and they are enormous. You know, I'm fourteen, fifteen, and I'm looking at these guys in there, and I'm like, oh, so that's that's what you need. That's what you need, yeah, the baseball player. And then I get the baseball camp and it's a whole different level of competition, and there's a lot of dudes there where it's like it's either it's baseball, the army, or fucking jail. Right, So I kind of like that wasn't really how it was kind of laid out in Malibu, you know, but I got a sense that this this what I was looking at. You're dude, You're not doing this for a living. So that was but it was still fun, you know. But there are three summers, but so it was that it was that first summer after I didn't graduate. I told my parents, said, look, I'm not going to summer school. It's just not it's not even an option. So let me audition this first summer. Let me because the milliau had already started and he was doing his thing, and I was seeing the fruits of those labors, you know, him and Rob and you know, out on the town with those guys and being so close to it but never being able to access it, you know. So that that kind of lit a fire in me and just told my parents just let me do this. If if, if, if this ship's the bed and nothing happens, I'll uh, I'll go to you know, get my ged and go to junior college or something. Right, And I got the first freaking job I went on. So it was like, it was, yeah, the universe is like, all right, let's do this. See what you got, young man. You know, it was a trip.

00:30:12
Speaker 4: How was it being on a set which with with your dad at a young age and getting some extra spots?

00:30:20
Speaker 3: It was It was pretty cool. But I can, like to this day, remember what it felt like in a close up in a movie of the week called the Execution of Private Slovak and and and I remember being so self aware, being suddenly kind of feeling every cell in my body and not being able to relax, not being able I was just walking along a buffet line at a at a wedding in in the movie, right, and and just then watching dad do it at the level that he was able to or or that had that he'd grown into, and then having that much more respect for it, you know, that somebody could actually function and think and breathe and move and just be comfortable and focused. And oh and you've got four pages of dialogue, you know, just that little detail.

00:31:20
Speaker 4: What was it like being on set of Apocalypse? Now?

00:31:24
Speaker 3: It was nuts? It was a nuts Yeah, no, it's and I and I talk about this in the book that you know, it was it was hard to be you know, I was. I went there as a ten year old, I left there as an eleven year old. I spent a total of eight months in the Philippines, you know, and and it was like whoa it was? It was it was you know, we'd been to a few places prior to that, you know, Mexico, Italy, places, you know, different states, and and the Philippines was just like another planet.

00:31:57
Speaker 4: You know.

00:32:00
Speaker 3: But it you know, I couldn't get a front row seat for some of the most iconic moments in the film, like I wasn't there for a napalm in the morning. I wasn't like in the temple with some of Brando's stuff. Yeah. So, but I was adjacent to all of it. I was like a base camp, you know. And then to see everything when the film was put together, like what they were doing, it was mind blowing, you know. But I didn't see Dad at night or you know, anytime he came back from work, and it was like okay, you know, and you could tell immediately. It's like I talk about in the book that learning to read the room at a young age was so valuable, you know, and there were days you just didn't you know, there was just no opening to ask how is your day, pop, because you could see it. And other days that that that that invitation was there.

00:33:02
Speaker 4: You know, welcome. Interesting. Your brother is probably one of my favorite actors, and he's probably the best Billy the kid.

00:33:11
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome. He's gonna love that.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: You know.

00:33:16
Speaker 4: I'm a Western movie guy and I'm watching The New Billy Kids and the guy's killing the now. But your brother was the best. How's your relationship? How was your relationship back then? How is it now? Back?

00:33:26
Speaker 3: Like? How how far back then.

00:33:29
Speaker 4: From the jump?

00:33:29
Speaker 3: I mean, was it was? It was? It took some time for us to like really develop the friendship that that that it grew into. You know, he's I shouldn't even say one of I think. I mean he's my best friend.

00:33:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

00:33:48
Speaker 3: In fact, I told him that on the phone like a week ago, and I'm like, is this this may sound weird, dude, but I think you're like my best.

00:33:56
Speaker 4: Friend, but he should be.

00:33:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he and he was like not weird at all, dude, Ditto, Like cool, let's never talk about that again. But uh no, he's he's he's, he's he's a bad mbree man. Yeah, really so smart and funny and cool, but no, we fought man cats and dogs like you can't believe growing up.

00:34:22
Speaker 1: What's the age difference between you two?

00:34:25
Speaker 3: He's it got three years from me. Yeah, we had a fight so bad one night. I like I couldn't get a date in high school to save my life, and I like finally got one. And I was like, dude, I need to borrow your truck. I can't pick this girl up and that piece of ship i'm driving. Let me let me roll up in something cool. And he was like not a chance. And I'm like, don't you even care, like who the date is with? He was like that part doesn't matter. You're not driving my car. And I had come home from Jack in the Box and I had a Chicken Supreme and my hand and a really good arm and I fired that thing across the room in like eighty five miles an hour and he ducked, but it hit the side of the door right where his head was. I had pretty good aim also, and he got like hit with all the di shrapnel, the fricking it exploding the grenade that it turned into you know, and he starts running at me. I run down the hall, locked my door, and it got to the point where, you know, there were threats back and forth on both sides, and we get a knock on the door about fifteen minutes into it. The neighbor had called the cops because they thought that there was like something could result in a homicide. Yeah, that's how That's how heated it got. And we literally like looked at the cops and had to put our arms around each other and you're like, everything's fine, officer, you know. But then it just you know, we never went up for the same roles, you know, except platoon, but not at the same time. He had the job first, and then the financing fell apart, and he was he was never really that excited about the movie. And so when it when it came back around like a year later, Oliver called me back in for a second audition because the first one was dog shit. I mean, it was terrible, and there's a shot of it in the dock. It's a quick clip, but it's me like hitting that fake joint. That's that first audition that was a mess. So so like there was this this rumor for years that that I stole the role from A Milio. It's like, you can't that that that didn't happen, you know, But.

00:36:57
Speaker 4: How do you get the name?

00:36:57
Speaker 3: Amilio's Well, Dad's Spanish Irish, right, So he went, yeah, no, So he went with Ramone, my other brother Emilio, and Carlos my sister Renee, right. So that's why he stayed with the Stevez because it's got a balance, you know. And then because I have an uncle, had an uncle Carlos growing up, and so they'd yell for Carlos, we both come running and we had to fix that. So I was like, I'll be Charlie. I'll be Charlie. Let's make it easier. So I was Charlie a Stevez for a long time, and then when I became an actor, decided I was going to give it a shot. I went to Dad and I said, look, Emilio is already checking that heritage box, right, And Dad got Sheen from a famous televangelist from the fifties named Bishop Fulton Jay Sheen.

00:37:53
Speaker 4: Right.

00:37:54
Speaker 3: So, and he knew a casting director named Martin and in New York City in like nineteen fifteen nine. Uh, he was advised against having such a Hispanic sounding name, right, and so he just mashed up Martin and Sheen and like that. So I told him I wanted to honor his you know, the sheen of it all. I could have been another tunnel for the book man.

00:38:23
Speaker 1: But I like the way you put the bow on it and presented it to him though, I like.

00:38:26
Speaker 4: What was his response?

00:38:28
Speaker 3: He said, well, okay, you you you you you make a good argument.

00:38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to be So I'm like, okay, I'll let you do it.

00:38:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Milio thought about Sheen but then realized that it kind of doesn't have because you want, you want a name that people can remember because it's got a ring to it, you know, it just kind of has a smoothness, you know.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so too of your you know, first big breaks for Oliver Stone movies Wall Street and then obviously Platoon.

00:39:00
Speaker 3: Talk about out here, No, go ahead, okay, we do a lot worse awesome right now?

00:39:06
Speaker 1: What is the mindset of a Wall Street? And then flipping the script completely for a Platoon? What was that like for you? And then working with Oliver Stone in both those veins.

00:39:18
Speaker 3: Well, Platoon happened first, yeah, and then There's a story I talk about in the book where I agreed to do wall Street during Platoon, like at the very end of Platoon, and Oliver and I had had were in such great creative sync on that film because I was basically playing him his his Vietnam experience, you know, and and you know, we were just we had like this this cosmic thread between us that was he would think things that he'd want me to do in a scene in a certain take, and I would just do them right this ship like that was happening. So he he was already playing ning wall Street, and he wanted to like something that would serve as a contract, And so I signed a napkin in the Jungle, committing myself to wall Street, not reading the script, not really knowing what the hell it was about. He said, uh, he said, it's the story of a young trader, Uh, seduced by the promise of quick gains. That's pretty general. It's a little bit general, right, And no, and then I, you know, I do talk about that the the experience in the concrete jungle of wall Street wasn't what we had captured in the Philippine jungle. Yeah, it was because he had put so much pressure on himself to have a follow up to Platoon that had equal impact, that would generate, would garner equal respect and awards, attention and all that stuff, And it's like, that's not you got to let the people decide that shit, right, and and he and so I think that affected how he approached Wall Street.

00:41:07
Speaker 4: Interesting.

00:41:07
Speaker 1: You know that the first opportunity you got to work alongside your dad as a as a star in the movie.

00:41:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think if there was anything before that. There might have been like a cameo in the TV thing that he was doing, but nothing that substantial for you. Yeah, for me, Yeah, it was, it was, it was. It was terrific. It was yeah, it it's you know, I mean it's kind of a trip. You know, you've been watching this guy from the sidelines your whole life and and then suddenly, yeah, he's he's passing you the ball, right. But it's also you don't you kind of don't want to overstep, if that if that makes sense. It's you know, this this thing about fathers and sons, you know, and especially like in a in a professional setting, there's kind of you just don't want to you don't.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: Want It's not just dad any he is, but he isn't.

00:42:06
Speaker 3: Right right right? Yeah, but you still, I just always wanted to let him have the you know, most of the spotlight when because I just felt it was more earned. You know, basically I wasn't going to show up and to tell him how to do any part of what he was up to. You know, there were times yeah when, yeah, when he would just pull me aside and say, okay, the first part of that was terrific, but that last thing. Maybe just think about something in this direction.

00:42:39
Speaker 4: You know, nobody wants you to be better than them, more than your father, and I just that's just how, just how it is. Fathers want you to be better than.

00:42:49
Speaker 3: Him, right, dig But but it's still really difficult to accept that and then you know, try to excel in a way to achieve that.

00:43:05
Speaker 4: Well, when your dad, when your dad is who he is, you got a different battle.

00:43:08
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

00:43:10
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, my son too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, our children too. It's harder.

00:43:16
Speaker 3: Is is your son a ballplayer?

00:43:18
Speaker 4: Yes? My youngest son is. Is he in the league, No, But he's trying. He's going to college. Next year, all right on, okay, cool, but it's harder for him. The best thing, the best conversations I have with him will let him know that his journey is different from mine, of course, and he understands.

00:43:31
Speaker 3: That right, and the world is different.

00:43:33
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly right.

00:43:35
Speaker 3: That's the thing I mean. It's like it's hard to draw any comparisons even you do you have twins? Yeah? I do too. Yeah, years are fifteen, sixteen, sixteen minor sixteen?

00:43:47
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there are they in sports?

00:43:52
Speaker 3: Yes, Bob used to be picked up the guitar and put down the football and Max picked up the football. Fraternal?

00:44:02
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:44:02
Speaker 3: Are yours identical? Oh damn?

00:44:04
Speaker 1: I still mix them up? But yeah, wow, how that's dope? How special is that? Because I don't think you do. They have an amazing bond.

00:44:13
Speaker 3: When they're together. They do, okay, yeah, but one Bob favors mom in Max's team dad, you know, and so you know Mom's not as stable as Dad. That's all right, you know, people get their when to get there, right, So yeah, we just have to kind of get back to a place where everybody lives in the same state at least right, same neighborhood even and then yeah, because it's for for forget about brooking myself, it's about those two, right, and and because twins have that thing.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: That's like like best friends for life. Wow, it's an interesting I was wondering if your boys had.

00:44:59
Speaker 3: The kind of thing admits that he misses Bob Bob pretends he doesn't like fucking Max doesn't exist, you know, but Bob Bob, I think does love him somewhere in there.

00:45:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, love it.

00:45:13
Speaker 1: Ferris Bueller in eighty six, Oh damn heard that the part. You stayed away for forty eight hours to kind of achieve the authenticity that you felt like that character needed.

00:45:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he should look fatigued.

00:45:28
Speaker 4: He did it.

00:45:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, And but for the audition that never turned into an audition. I drove the Long Beach and my brother Ramon had loaned me because he was going through a punk rock phase, right, and so yeah, the jacket, the boots and I and I went down there thanks to Jennifer Gray, who I knew from Red Dawn, and I went down there on a day they were shooting something else, thinking I was going to read the scene and then get the part or not, and ran into John Hughes in the parking lot and he was like, oh, you look great, kid, I'll see you next week.

00:46:03
Speaker 1: So there was no audition late weren't you late to it or something?

00:46:06
Speaker 3: Well, that was the second time now I had the job, and I had used Ramone's cigarette ash from his fancy David offs right and blackened my eyes to look just for that first meeting. And then I thought, okay, let's let's make that darkness real and stayed up for a while and then did that thing, did that thing where I'll just get three hours, I'll be fine, and just hit the snooze button like fifteen times and woke up two hours late and in Santa Monica to Long Beach and was like, oh my god. Yeah, And I got down there and Jennifer was out of her mind yelling at me and just you know, how could you because she got me the gig basically, and now I'm making her look bad. But then I got I got on set, you know, and went through makeup, rushed to the set and hughes like looks at me. I thought it was gonna be a continueuation of the same drubbing that I just received, and he was like, oh good, you're here. Let's start. Wow, like, okay, there's a man that's just dealing with things like right in the moment, you know. And and so we started so her in that scene, like the attitude that she has towards me on camera, it's not even yeah, no acting involved, no acting. And then it's interesting because you know, I'd done a few lead roles and had a couple of things and nothing that really you know, brought any real attention. But at least the film community knew that I was. I was, you know, making some headway, and and then I do this three minutes on film and and it just boom. It was I guess it was that pre platoon, you know, a little little taste before it all you know went off the rails. But and so that that was interesting to realize, Okay, maybe it's not the size of the part. It's it's it's what you do with with what you were given. You know, I'd be like a guy coming in the final three minutes and you know, shoots five for six right and and and and and changes the game. But yeah, it so that that was really cool just to suddenly the mileage the street cred out of that you know that that that could have you know, I could have gotten a long beach and they were like, we had to recast it. You didn't show up, you know, So you just never just never know. You just never know.

00:48:39
Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies is when you teamed up with Chris Tucker as victim oone Junior in Money Talks. Thank You, Thank You, Heather Lockley or yourself?

00:48:49
Speaker 4: What was that? What was that experience? Like?

00:48:52
Speaker 3: It was it was a trip he I think he had only done was it was it Friday, the only thing he had done basically right. And I didn't know a lot about him, but I met him and I was like, wow, this dude is that he's He's there's something going on that was It was special. It was special, And and they hired this one director and Chris just knew like on day one. I mean we hadn't started shooting at but just in the rehearsals or meetings or whatever, and Chris would say this, this, this, this ain't the dude, this ain't the guy. I'm like, you've done one movie, what you know? But but he was right. And so they brought in Brett Ratner. Yeah, they brought in Brett like a week before we started, and then just you know, working on the stuff with Chris, it's you know, I would only learn this scene to a degree because at some point he's just gonna he's just gonna take it in different directions, you know, just through instinct and and you know, brilliant just comedic awareness and all of that. You know, he just had the whole package.

00:50:02
Speaker 4: Did he have you in tears doing that recording? Crying? Laft? Did have you crying? Laugh and doing the recording of the movie.

00:50:08
Speaker 3: There there there, There were a few days yeah, yeah, but then we started having too much fun together and I started you know, tipping them back a little early in the day, and so it was starting to do do that thing.

00:50:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, but y though sometimes that helps the d quick questions just for a real pussion go by.

00:50:29
Speaker 4: What is that? Like a g was that written? Or was that? Was that? Was that a sheen?

00:50:36
Speaker 3: That was a sheene thing?

00:50:38
Speaker 4: But I was, I was.

00:50:40
Speaker 3: I was rolling with this dude named Jason, right, he was my dope dealer actually, and so I said, look, I don't like what's here. You spent a lot of time in the hoods, so like, give me a couple of pieces that might feel organic to but clunky from a white dude.

00:50:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.

00:50:59
Speaker 3: And Jason was like, okay, kicking in the cut okay and whatever else was in that that thought, this is this all came. This all came from Jason. I just ran it all together. But I but I went to Chris before we shot it. I'm like, hey, dude, are we cool with this? I mean, is this like am I sleep sweek?

00:51:19
Speaker 4: Man sleep sweek?

00:51:20
Speaker 3: I said, are we are we stepping in am I stepping in ship? With any of this? He was like, oh, hell no.

00:51:25
Speaker 1: Go go for it. Yeah, you definitely clunked it for the White Side. You did a good job with that.

00:51:31
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: Is it true you let christ of Ferrar and he kept it so long he forgot you gave it to him.

00:51:38
Speaker 3: I forgot, I forgot to get Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is true. Imagine that it was Also, there were so many there were so many cars in the driveway back then. It was cool to have another parking space open, you know. Yeah, And I just figured I didn't know, you know what, really what he's his backstory was. I was just like, hey man, I'm having a hell of a time in this thing. You want to check it out. And he thought we were going too, He thought we were going to drive together. And I was like I just handing him the keys, you know, and uh, he was like okay, just I'm like, I don't know, man, just let me know. Just call it, you know, I'll see you in a couple of days.

00:52:22
Speaker 4: And he was like what everybody would have been, like what yeah?

00:52:27
Speaker 3: And then no, he I don't think he took it over like sixty though. He was like careful, like really nervous. Yeah. And I got that car. At the time, I was the voice of Taco Bell, right, and it was that whole campaign make a run for the border if you remember that one right.

00:52:49
Speaker 1: That wouldn't fly to well right now, we'll go ahead, yeah right.

00:52:52
Speaker 3: Damn. That shit was ahead of its time.

00:52:57
Speaker 4: So so.

00:53:01
Speaker 3: So paid me pretty good for you know, the first few spots, and then I started looking at that car, and after taxes, I was left with exactly what the car costs, and the math made perfect sense, right forget other bills, and I went and bought the car. And then I was kind of feeling fancy about, you know, me and Taco Bell. I had a license plate made that said taco bell, right, put it on the damn thing driving around a Taco Bell ferrari.

00:53:34
Speaker 1: Right.

00:53:35
Speaker 3: And then there was a thing they were going to re up for the next year or two years, and if they didn't, they had to give me another bag of dough. And they said, look, we're going in a different direction. And I've already got you know, I've got the Taco Bell ferrari. And they said we're going in a different direction. And that's when they hired the Chihuahua Yo Kiato taco bell. Yeah.

00:53:57
Speaker 4: Man, I was ghetto Tao.

00:54:00
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was the last guy before. Yeah, and now I'm stuck with a Tacobo ferrari.

00:54:06
Speaker 4: Oh he brought it back.

00:54:08
Speaker 3: What's that? Oh he did absolutely?

00:54:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:54:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was a little backstory with that car.

00:54:14
Speaker 1: You know.

00:54:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. Ricky wild Thing Vaughn one of the greatest sports movie characters ever. Thank you. Can we talk about the wild Things? Yeah? How was it playing the wild Thing? And how did you get into character to play him with the baseball background? Yeah? Well, I.

00:54:35
Speaker 3: The script was amazing. I mean, the script was it was just you just shoot everything that's on the page, you know, it was it was David Ward directed it, wrote it. He won the Oscar for the sting when he was like twenty two. Really smart, really really funny, really good dude, huge baseball fan. You can always tell how much someone knows about the game they're writing about on the page, you know. And yeah, I had one meeting with him and and he was like, well, you you pitched in high school. I'm like, yeah, and that was only you know, four years ago, right, five years right?

00:55:14
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:55:14
Speaker 3: And he said, can you give me something that I can because we didn't have computers back then. We had to you just use clever editing, you know. I said, well, you can film me. You can film me in a full wind up that that that I guarantee. But I you know, I can't throw ninety eight or one hundred or I'd be doing it for a living. But I could probably get you somewhere in the mid eighties.

00:55:37
Speaker 1: It's still good, not bad, you know.

00:55:41
Speaker 3: So I did a bunch of steroids, right and uh, because I was only throwing like seventy six at the time, and I had this trainer. This guy was a running back at VYU, and he had a he knew a guy that could get the steroids, and so we're at golds Gym and pump it, yeah man, and and put literally put ten miles per hour on my freaking really yeah, how long?

00:56:01
Speaker 4: How much time?

00:56:03
Speaker 3: Six weeks?

00:56:04
Speaker 4: Holy?

00:56:04
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man.

00:56:07
Speaker 3: I mean I was a little nutty during the thing, you know.

00:56:10
Speaker 1: But it was a character though.

00:56:12
Speaker 4: Juice.

00:56:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't continue juicing throughout the movie because they brought in a dude named Marty Cove.

00:56:21
Speaker 1: You know who that is.

00:56:22
Speaker 3: He's the he's the he's he runs on on cobra kind you know, karate kid, He's the he's the other sense at the Evil Dojo.

00:56:34
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:36
Speaker 3: They brought him into audition for Dorn for Corman Burns in the third Base Bank, and uh, I was still, you know, doing the jabs. He was a little bit kind of into whatever wherever his headspace was. And in a bar one night, he and I almost got in a fight with like fifteen dudes. And I'm not I don't get to fight with one dude.

00:57:03
Speaker 4: That's just not my thing.

00:57:04
Speaker 3: But Marty kind of was leading the charge that night, and then ward got back to the production and then like literally later on that afternoon, Corbyn Bernson is just walking up. Yeah, and he's like, hey, good to see you. So I was he was terrific.

00:57:22
Speaker 4: He was terrific. Yeah, he killed Yeah, he was great.

00:57:26
Speaker 3: But so yeah, the thing that was difficult about Major League is that I didn't have the luxury of a like, you know, four or five days between starts, and I would throw some nights one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty pitches just low oh man, yeah, just all the different coverage, all the different pieces, and then the next day after come back and throw eighty five or one hundred more, and it was just like career, Yeah, can we have scheduled?

00:57:59
Speaker 1: Can I get a day off? Thank you?

00:58:00
Speaker 3: But they can only have the stadium. The specific amount of time that Whip Stadium was that that was in Milwaukee Oy. Yeah, So would that have been Miller or would have been U that had been County?

00:58:14
Speaker 1: I think Miller's new or right, so it was probably the older one, right, was it County Stadium?

00:58:19
Speaker 3: But there was one scene where they literally had like thirty two thousand people in the stands. Whoah, you know, I mean it wasn't sold out, but the way they filmed it when when when we run out, I didn't run out. But when the team runs out and you could you could feel it. I mean it was like whoa, yeah, I love it. But when I come out of the bullpen for that, you know that classic moment. It was like three in the morning. There was like sixty people left. Everybody's falling asleep. I was like, it was yeah, there was not They had cutouts of people like right on the edge of frame. They like squeezing everybody in. It was a trip.

00:58:57
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and watch it now and check that out.

00:59:00
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody walked out any relief pitcher walked out to a song prior to that.

00:59:09
Speaker 4: Did you set the tone with that?

00:59:10
Speaker 3: I think that trans so it is. It is such a to just to see that that then becomes a part of the game. And then I'm watching. I watch a lot of baseball.

00:59:22
Speaker 4: Have you have you heard of banana baseball?

00:59:24
Speaker 3: I have, indeed. Yeah, yeah, those guys are all about it, are they?

00:59:28
Speaker 4: Damn? But just.

00:59:32
Speaker 3: If you just any game, any game, no matter who's playing, at some point someone's going to quote something from Major Question. A guy throws one of the backstop and then one of the announcers going to say just a bit outside.

00:59:48
Speaker 1: Also speak about because it went from Willie Mays Hayes to what you m call it to Omar to Omar good, excuse me to Omar. Yeah, so when was that switch? That was after the second one, that was for.

01:00:00
Speaker 3: The second Yeah, everybody came back except Wesley. I think he was blatant by then. Yeah.

01:00:08
Speaker 4: He was fast.

01:00:09
Speaker 3: He was fast.

01:00:12
Speaker 4: He he a hoop too.

01:00:13
Speaker 1: From white man can't jump, he could. He could.

01:00:15
Speaker 3: He could mimic things because he never played. But he did something though that is really really hard to achieve. He could hit a pop up like at will because he has to pop up once in spring training and another time during a game. During the game, he does this the push ups again, right, and trying to teach somebody to hit the bottom of the baseball. That's that's like not easy because intuitively you want to hit the center of the baseball, right, But no, he was terrific. And if they brought the dude in, I just I couldn't get my mind around. Well, now, just just pretend it's the same guy.

01:01:00
Speaker 1: And I was like, but isn't that kind of like aren't we told all black people don't look the same?

01:01:06
Speaker 4: No?

01:01:06
Speaker 3: It was it was, and this is nineteen ninety four, but still I wasn't down with it. I thought it would have been better for the story. Also if he's just something happened to him, or he you know, got arrested in a foreign country and he couldn't make it back, or something just more creative. And then they just another dude shows up. You know, we have to go out and find a new center fielder, right, rather than what they landed on right right, you know.

01:01:39
Speaker 4: Interesting, but no, it Major League is.

01:01:43
Speaker 3: A career highlight for me and is just a gift that keeps giving. There was a time when I would go to baseball games in any state in the country and buy a shitty ticket and just get get inside the stadium. And then it was just the first security guard He's like, oh, what are you doing way up here? And then suddenly I'm down into the thing. And then after the game like kind of start wandering the hallways, you know, like you see the signs of the clubhouse and then they're like, hey, what are you doing here? And then and then and then you're in with the players. Yeah, it was like it was a backstage pass to Major League Baseball, all access paths and it was that was cool. That was some fantasy ship. No, that was in the script. Yeah, everything was on the page, which is like mind blowing that David just saw all of that stuff.

01:02:38
Speaker 1: You know, big memorabilia collector. What's in what's in your Hall of Fame of memorabilia? You got the ball that went through Bill Butler's legs? Yes?

01:02:49
Speaker 4: How that? How did that happen?

01:02:50
Speaker 3: That happened? I didn't attend the auction, but I was in Hawaii laying Maui and I was getting in shape for hot shots part due with no steroids. So I was like, damn, you're pretty ripped up man, what you know, what were you taking? And I'm like sushi water?

01:03:18
Speaker 4: Uh No.

01:03:18
Speaker 3: I was working out eight hours a day.

01:03:20
Speaker 4: Wow.

01:03:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the pool and the gym, doing yoga, running just it was not so but I was still collecting, not the but the hobby hadn't gotten to where it was headed. And my guy Josh Evans from Leland's big auction house back then, he was representing me at the auction where we knew the Mookie Ball was coming up for auction, and I think it opened at like twenty five and then all it takes is somebody in the room and somebody on the phone that that you know, are just they have the same goal. Yeah, and then it got to a place where the other dude tapped out and Josh was like, it's yours for ninety and I'm like, let's get it. And then he says, do you want me to say that it's you? I'm like, yeah, why not?

01:04:11
Speaker 1: You know, And so.

01:04:13
Speaker 3: That a couple like maybe that. The next night, Millio calls me in Hawaiian He's like, did you see Peter Jennings on the on the evening news. I'm like, no, I'm working out, you know, he says. He closed the broadcast by saying, and in other news, actor Charlie Sheen spent ninety thousand dollars on a baseball and closed his show. So it's kind of when you think about it, Josh would describe it, that's it really rang the bell in that hobby because nothing up until that point was going for the insane money that you see now, So that really it set the tone a little bit. Yeah, that specific item, and then I went a little did deep with it. I went a little I took it a bit far, but I wasn't you know. I was building display cases, and I was like presenting the stuff and trying to do a better job than Cooper's Town, because I went to Cooperstown and I look in the back of the thing and there's like a dead moth in one of their cases. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Right, there's one of those. So, yeah, myn were all humidity controlled and fiber optically lit, you know, the whole package, right, And then I felt like I was hoarding. I was hoarding. And yeah, there was a moment when I opened a drawer in my bedroom and there was a Ted Williams road jersey in there from the year he hit four oh six and it wasn't in a case, and I thought, dude, you got too much stuff. And that's when I decided to just start cycling it all back in. But I did on the Ruth Ring, the twenty seven world series Ruth Ring Really, and the contract that sold him to the Yankees in nineteen twenty. Yeah, and I sat on that for a while and had it in case just on its own, those two items, and built a bar upstairs in my house off my bedroom that was.

01:06:09
Speaker 4: Called Babes Really interesting.

01:06:11
Speaker 3: People thought, oh, because of the girls. I'm like, no, babe, Ruth, yeah, I love it real quick.

01:06:17
Speaker 1: We know we're running out of time.

01:06:18
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying.

01:06:20
Speaker 1: We just want to touch on two and a half. Men. Massive hit made you, at the time the highest power of the steel highest paid actor in TV.

01:06:29
Speaker 4: What was that run like? You said it?

01:06:31
Speaker 1: You know, offully closely mirrored your real life.

01:06:33
Speaker 4: So what was that run like? It was?

01:06:35
Speaker 3: It was exciting as hell.

01:06:38
Speaker 4: We we were.

01:06:42
Speaker 3: They were saying that the sitcom was dead and that reality TV was the new model because you could make you know, you didn't the shows what you could make them at a tenth of the cost. You don't have to pay a bunch of famous people you know, are known actors, and you didn't have to pitch of writers because everything in reality is kind of spurred the moment, you know.

01:07:04
Speaker 1: And so.

01:07:06
Speaker 3: They were betting against us, and they and they were like, you, guys, uh, maybe if you tried this ten years ago, you'd have a shot. I mean, everybody was betting against us, you know.

01:07:15
Speaker 4: And so.

01:07:17
Speaker 3: When we hit, when we you know, we we knew what we had and we knew we also had, uh, the the the value of the whole NFL advertising behemoth.

01:07:33
Speaker 2: You know.

01:07:33
Speaker 3: So we're a Monday show, Monday Night show, and Sunday they're playing all those commercials, you know, and it's like, so no, we we we we landed with with with with a splash, And then and then it did that audience stayed loyal and and it was going pretty good for a while, and then you know, it wasn't. Then it wasn't. Yeah, and and I and I get into that in the book in a way. I think it's really interesting because there's really nothing about not disrespectfully just just to really focus on the true motivators for that, the thing that the meltdown, you know, and it was all shit in my personal life. You know, I can't put that on a guy that basically built a dream scenario for me, you know, I mean, wrote a entire show based on the stuff that he thought I'd be, you know, perfect perfectly suited for because I already lived it, you know. Yeah, and it just got to the point, you know, I had four kids during those eight years, went through two really public and messy divorces, and just couldn't couldn't separate the two, and it just it was just too much, you know. So sucks how it ended, but I am proud of what was left behind before it, before it wandered off the path.

01:09:05
Speaker 1: Although there's many more chapters in this journey of life for you. When you kind of sit back at this age and look back at what you've been through, what you've overcome, what you've accomplished, your children, your your family, what what what comes to mind?

01:09:22
Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's a really good question. Bill Maher actually said something about a month ago on his show, and it really it really struck me in a way. I hadn't really heard it framed like he like he presented it before. He said, you know, you're you're a good guy who did some bad things. And I thought, okay, I'm gonna roll with that, because that's that's a pretty you know, compact way to present it or just kind of process it.

01:09:59
Speaker 1: You know.

01:10:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I feel like it was always I had this pattern of do a bunch of cool shit, and then some ship that didn't that you know, it kind of went south, and then a bunch of cool shit and then and it just like these peaks and valleys and peaks and valleys, and that is that shit is exhausting. It's exhausting, right, And so I'm I'm at a place where there's nothing not to sound arrogant, but I have nothing to prove. I have nothing to prove as a drinker, as a doper, and and then I as an actor, I have things left to explore. You know. I would consider going back on television, but in either genre to do like an intense drama, you know, played like do something like a true detective or you know, or a fabulous sitcom, which I've found. So that's yeah, and that that's exciting. So there's for the first time in a long time, I have choices and and not so much distraction and clutter to.

01:11:16
Speaker 4: To make the wrong one to interfere. Yeah.

01:11:19
Speaker 3: So no, I'm I'm excited about whatever's next.

01:11:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:11:24
Speaker 3: And and and I don't know, man, you know, turning sixty is fine. It's kind of out of my hands, right, Oh Max, are you are? That's amazing? Jesus, I add something to aspire to. But it tell me, if you relate to this, the lead up to sixty was like oh fuck, oh shit, oh god, you know, and then you and in the day it was like, all right, it's Wednesday. All right, I feel the same, right.

01:11:56
Speaker 1: With a number, just a number, but it's cool.

01:12:00
Speaker 3: I think the wisdom that comes with it is uh is the ship you can't get in your thirties and forties, right.

01:12:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to being lucky enough to get there.

01:12:09
Speaker 4: If you need a criminal to chase in the detective, I'm throwing I'm plowing it out there. I'm getting it to act. I heard I could not tell Charlie Sheen that I was wanting to get into act, and I will ask whole not to say.

01:12:24
Speaker 1: If anyone could make it happen, if you can make it.

01:12:26
Speaker 4: Happen, all right, that serious?

01:12:28
Speaker 3: All right, done done?

01:12:30
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yes. If I believe it too, I believe anybody. I believe everybody that told me this, I believe him.

01:12:38
Speaker 3: If there's something going on where it's it's it's yes.

01:12:41
Speaker 1: Please, thank you, you have your criminals.

01:12:45
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

01:12:46
Speaker 3: Right on, Thank you, my pleasure.

01:12:48
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us know your top five actors of all time?

01:12:54
Speaker 3: Uh, Martin Sheen, Yes, Al Pacino, Marlon Brando, Sean Penn, Nicholas cage, uh de Niro.

01:13:11
Speaker 4: Some heat. Yeah, at the top of the line.

01:13:15
Speaker 3: Right, that's pretty good.

01:13:16
Speaker 4: Childhood Crush.

01:13:18
Speaker 3: Crush, Oh gosh, Cindy Garvey, Steve's wife. Yeah, and then and then Kathy Ireland.

01:13:29
Speaker 1: What album you can listen to on repeat?

01:13:31
Speaker 3: The live double album? Uh led Zeppelin song remains the same?

01:13:39
Speaker 1: Rank these three in your order?

01:13:41
Speaker 3: M J Kobe lebron the order you just presented them.

01:13:44
Speaker 4: Okay, that's how I go.

01:13:47
Speaker 1: Enough you simple enough?

01:13:49
Speaker 3: You co sign that? Yes, okay, okay, no disress, no disrespect mamba. But okay, yeah, right on.

01:13:59
Speaker 4: This is the million dollar question. If you could see one guest on our show, who would it be? But you have to help us get your answer on the show. Oh gosh, yeah yeah, but I think Charlie is. I think Charlie is the one that could make it happen.

01:14:14
Speaker 3: Though show Wow, Shoot for the Stars, Setting for the Moon, right, yeah yeah, or he hasn't been on Okay, his English is improving.

01:14:29
Speaker 1: Yeah right, translator, yeah we can he's doing right now.

01:14:36
Speaker 3: How do you how do you even put words to it?

01:14:38
Speaker 4: Of unbelievable?

01:14:40
Speaker 3: Is there a better single game performing in.

01:14:43
Speaker 4: The history not just playing just the history of baseball.

01:14:45
Speaker 1: Probably I can't both sides, the dominance of both sides.

01:14:50
Speaker 3: We got a little merch for you, Oh damn, okay.

01:14:52
Speaker 1: Some all the smoke merch. We got our coffee table book.

01:14:54
Speaker 3: Hey beautiful.

01:14:56
Speaker 4: Make sure you go get Charlie Sheen's book.

01:14:58
Speaker 1: Yeah as well the book of she That's awesome.

01:15:01
Speaker 4: Thank you.

01:15:01
Speaker 1: So you got a number fun doc on Netflix. Where can they find your book? Anywhere you can.

01:15:05
Speaker 3: Find Amazon is the easiest place.

01:15:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.

01:15:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, And believe it or not, this thing you know was in the on the best seller I didn't hit number one, who cares, that's what, but no, it was on It was in the top ten for four weeks in a row.

01:15:22
Speaker 1: Gratulations, which is pretty pretty unusual.

01:15:24
Speaker 3: So thank you, yeah, thank you.

01:15:28
Speaker 1: We just really want to thank you again. I mean, being a big fan of you, getting a chance to see, uh, the documentary was really kind of just a different vulnerable side that we don't get to see if people of your stature, and for you to be that vulnerable and share and like Bill Marsai, you know, a good guy that's made some mistakes. I mean, it's an honor to sit down with you, and we're happy that you have so much clarity now and in best of luck moving for.

01:15:48
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you. That's awesome.

01:15:51
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

01:15:53
Speaker 3: Thank you.

01:15:54
Speaker 4: That's a wrap.

01:15:55
Speaker 1: You can catch this episode on the DraftKings Network and All the Smoke Production YouTube.

01:16:01
Speaker 4: We'll see you guys next week. M hm.

01:16:10
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm

01:16:21
Speaker 4: Mm hmm yeah