Jim Bowden's Front Office Unfiltered: MLB's Small Market Shift, Lockout Concerns, Tatis Jr. power dip

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Speaker 1: Front office, unfiltered, get ready, we have a lot to hit with Jim Bowden. We'll go over the Tatis question, Tony Baytello. Some of the teams also that are in smaller markets that might have a shot at the postseason that we didn't think originally at a shot.

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Speaker 2: But JB.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you, and let's start with your fresh article on the beginning of CBA discussions where they play footsie for a six month period. So what do you think of the players and the owners having a conversation or a presentation starting this week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they.

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Speaker 4: Should keep it away from the media. I think the negotiations should happen behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's good or healthy for the sport to.

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Speaker 4: Be putting that black cloud around, you know, the threatening of a you know, if we don't get a salary cap, there's going to be a work stoppage or we're going to lock them out, and then the players come back and say, well we put enough money aside.

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Speaker 3: If you do that like, that's not healthy for anybody.

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Speaker 4: I think my point of the article is just what a great place Major League Baseball is in right now. I mean, it's as popular as it's ever been. The TV ratings are up, the streaming ratings are up, the satellite radio for Series XM are up. My articles are crushing it at the athletic like everything is just at a great level. We have small market teams in first place in every American league division. We have the NL Central with every team with a winning record. This has just been a great start to the year. And I just don't think that it makes any sense to have a hiccup now. I think the next CBA should be pretty easy to negotiate if both sides sit down find ways to keep improving. But I think with all the rule changes we've seen over the last six years and including the ABS challenge for this year, the game is in such a great place. Don't do anything to derail that. And that's kind of my meeting behind the article, Jim.

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Speaker 5: But I thought you were so pro salary cap and pro all this stuff. Now you don't want to lock out with what changed, Jim, because forever you were we need a salary cap, and aw, these low market teams are in first place. You're like, no, no, no, let's not do anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So let me kind of go through that because it's a good question, so I can back it up. I did write in the article that if I had my way, there'd be a salary floor of one point fifty and a cap at two fifty. So that paragraph is in the article and stayed in there. Look, I spent my life with a small market team having to compete against the Yankees and Dodgers payrolls, and if I could get with on one hundred million of them payroll wise, I would take my chances when I was a GM. So look, I understand that concept, but a lot has changed for me. And I think what really hit me in spring training when I went to these ballparks and I went to the backfields and I really got a feeling of the Trajeck machines and the impact of hit track and all the things that these teams are doing, and just realizing that high school college a ball rookie ball players they get to face Paul Skins on simulation machine whenever they want, or Trek Scoobel or Jacob Nazerowski, and they're getting to face this high V low at such a young age, and they're seeing the shapes and the sizes of these secondary pitches, all of which is gonna.

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Speaker 3: Lead to early success in the big leagues.

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Speaker 4: And so instead of waiting three years before a guy becomes a star, normally what happens it takes about three years. They become a star, their arbitration eligible, then they get paid right. But now we're gonna have a situation where guys are gonna hit the big leagues like JJ Weatherholt and Kevin McGonagall and Sal Stewart and Chase the Lotter, and they're gonna hit the ground running because they don't have to adjust to this pitching. They've seen it, they've been watching it, whether it be off machines or top prospects in the minor leagues. They're already through that adjustment period. So what's gonna happen, and it's gonna be the club's benefits is zero to three years.

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Speaker 3: Instead of waiting for some of.

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Speaker 4: Develop a lot of these guys are gonna come up and be ready to perform at this level.

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Speaker 3: Clubs are gonna.

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Speaker 4: Get them for free the first three years because that's what their presence system is, and they're also going to control them for six years.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that's changed is teams.

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Speaker 4: Like the Pittsburgh Pirates and other small market teams are saying, hey, we'll sign you to seven, eight, nine years. We'll put one hundred and thirty hundred and fifty million in your pockets. And the young kids are going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take that.

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Speaker 4: And so instead of us looking at a player that's going to be traded after four years, now I'm seeing small market teams like the Pirates are going to be able to keep Connor Griffin for nine instead.

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Speaker 3: Of four or three. So I just feel like the.

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Speaker 4: Way the game is evolving, we have to pivot and adjust to it. And when the four of us wake up this morning and realize that Tampa Bay's in first place, so's Cleveland, so are the athletics, and as I said, the NL Central as winning records, and we're realizing, you know, the small market teams are taking advantage of this, and the zero to three players are performing like they're three to six players, and so the results are different. And then you look at the big markets and you go back and look, I don't want one so or not to get his seven in sixty five million.

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Speaker 3: And if someone is going to give them that, fine, let them do.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't mean the Mets are going to win where are they right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Last place? Sorry?

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Speaker 4: And if the Dodgers want to pay Kyle Tucker sixty million and that's want to pay Bashett.

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Speaker 3: Forty, let him do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not worried about that if I'm Eric Neander and Tampa or David Forced with the Athletics and West Sacramento.

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Speaker 3: So I just feel like the game is changing enough that I don't want the cap to cause a work stoppage.

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Speaker 4: That's my issue here, and I kind of feel like there is a way to create a floor in a negotiation. There is a way to share media revenue better for all thirty teams, and there is a way to increase the tax for the.

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Speaker 3: One, two or three teams that just want to.

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Speaker 4: Go out there and just blow blow by everything to get a certain player too. There's a way we can do that without putting a cap hard cap at the top end. So that's kind of where the article kind of took it.

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Speaker 6: I do like your idea of a soft floor, because we have a soft cap, and if you want a penalties there, let's add some more. But again, I feel like these are a lot of owner to owner issues. But you were talking about all the small markets which one of those small markets that you were talking about that are doing so well do you feel like are actually legit.

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Speaker 3: I think Tampa Bay is legit.

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Speaker 7: Eric.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question because not all of them are, obviously, and you know, we'll find out when we've done the six months. I think Tampa Bay is because I look at Shane McClanahan and although his vlo's not quite what it was being left handed, still mid nineties right now, two two seventy RA after eight starts, rass Muscin's already an All Star eight starts, the RA of three to one, that's real. And Nick Martinez and Steven Mats have been decent right as their third and four starters because they have such great defense and run support, and the way Kevin Cash knows how to work a bullpen. If they give them five or six hitting, they can win those games. You got Brian Baker in the back end converting eleven of thirteen saves with a two to one six ERA. That's legit. And then I look at the lineup and it's like, we finally have a leadoff hitter, probably the fastest guy since I had Dion Sanders in Cincinnati. But Chandler Simpson's exciting, right. He's been on base thirty four percent of the time with twelve steals. So you got that guy to create traffic at the top. And then you've got three legit hitters to drive your runs in junior camerin Aro. This generation's Gary Sheffield. He's got eleven homers, he's on base thirty four percent of the time. Jonathan Aranda, he's on base thirty five percent of the time. Yonder Diez thirty seven percent of the time. Aronda's got eight homers DSS five. So those four guys are going to create the offense. Those five pitchers I talked about are going to keep them in the race. And then all the other parts that Eric Neanders put together in Tampa Bay are average major league players and really good defensive players. And when you got Kevin Cash, who's one of the best manager in baseball, manipulating and navigating the bullpen and the bench, it's another to be real. Now, I'm not picking them to beat the Yankees. Yankees are going to win that division in my view, but Tampa is good enough to be a postseason team.

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Speaker 6: All right, you got do you have one more or all the rest frauds. All the other small market teams that are that are good, just not as legit as the race.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the good question, let's start with the Athletics. Get me some starting pitching. They'll be legit. The lineup is legit. That's going to be good to go. And by the time they get to Vegas and they have those extra stripe s's, they'll be able to get that starting pitching and be ready to go. The Mariners will win the West. It won't be the Athletics, But I think what we've seen with the shay Langelers and the Nick Kurtzes and the Jacob Wilson news now on the injured list, that that's all real. So got to work on the starting pitch, just like the Cubs did when they went out and got you know, John.

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Speaker 3: Lester and made the trade for Areata.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be the last pieces they had, but they'll be ready for Vegas and be legit. You know, I think that the A Central teams are all legit. Pittsburgh's on the way once they have made a little effort for the offense and by the way, Seth or Nandez, arguably the best pitching prospect.

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Speaker 3: In baseball is a one. He is an ace.

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Speaker 4: He'll be in the big leagues by the end of next year, and they're gonna have him in schemes at the top and you better watch out. And that's you know, we've seen Ashcraft and Jared Jones, but here comes Pittsburgh. They're that close. Saint Louis is getting better. You know, they've had some good pieces. The Reds need a little bit of work, but they're close. So yeah, I mean, look, you got a lot of those teams. I'm not saying they're gonna win the championships.

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Speaker 3: This year, but they're building nucleuses that are gonna work.

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Speaker 4: And with young players succeeding at such a young level h in their early years in the big leagues.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna get there quicker than normal. Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jab I'm gonna take us in a different direction for one of the questions of the day, since it got a ton of attention yesterday. It's like a little footnote in a conversation that we had. We were going over struggling starts to the year and talking about a number of players I think you respect this show like I do in the way that we just talk about what's going on. And we went over the lack of power for Fernando Tatis Junior.

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Speaker 2: Now, is he a zero homer player?

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Speaker 1: No, But the point Kratz made was he had forty two homers in twenty twenty one and since then he's more like a low maybe mid twenties homer guy, right, twenty five last year, twenty one year, four, twenty five year before that. So your take on what you're seeing this year from him for the lack of power, and then what kind of player he actually is compared to that one season, because I do think the perception of how good he was at the very beginning of his career does need to be leveled. And of course the tweet went on fire because you had some fan saying Kratz doesn't know ball, he doesn't know eggs of velascy and hard hit rate and all of that stuff, And of course that's what steroids has everything to do with, not recovery and hitting the ball in the air and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Bernano Tatis had that great year, that's you know, that's not what he is. He is what Cratsey is saying, Theres are in first place. To Tease has a lot to do with that. To Tease is a platinum right fielder. He's gonna win you a lot of games with his defense. He's gonna win your games with his arm, even the runners that don't take the extra base because they don't want to against him. His ability to play second base as well, and give Padres manager Craig Stammon flexibility to use right field in a different way for certain games against left handed pitching. Love love that that, Like Mookie Betts, he's willing to do that. He comes to the park every day ready to play, plays the game hard. He's been hitting the ball really hard. The fact that he has no homers is beyond my comprehension. When you look at all the numbers, it really doesn't make sense, but baseball always doesn't make sense. I will tell you that I'm a fan of Fernando Tatist Junior.

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Speaker 3: Always liked him personally, like the swag, like what he brings to the table. I want him see it more.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I've even sent aj Preller some stuff that I've seen, you know, from different videos of him. I think he's going to figure it out. I think he'll end up hitting home runs at some point.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: They've got work to do with him to lift the ball and pull the ball a little bit more to try to create some homers.

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Speaker 3: But I think it will come. But I got to be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: All I ever care about when I'm looking at teams is I want to be in first place, and I want players that can get me in first place.

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Speaker 3: And I can be in first place.

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Speaker 4: And he's hitting no homers, but he's winning games because he's getting a ground ball of the second basement with a man at third and nobody out.

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Speaker 3: With the second basement playing back.

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Speaker 4: Or if he's winning a game because he makes a diving play on the foul poll or throwing someone out, then I'm a fan of him. I think the homers will come, but I'm more with Cratzy. I don't think we're going to see forty homers from him. I'm not sure that's what he is. But I'll take twenty five home runs, a platinum defender, a plus base runner, a great teammate, and a guy that I can win with.

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Speaker 5: That's fair. That's fair, Jim. All those all those are valid. I just said he's longer than he used to be, and he's trying and swing harder. That's why he's get the ball in the air, which leads to him rolling over. So I didn't get killed for once on Twitter. I'm proud of myself for that one, Jim. It's usually usually I get killed. Crats that doesn't. So you know what, let's reverse roles for one days? Happy, was it, freaky Friday? Freaking Tuesday?

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Speaker 4: I get killed every day, so don't feel bad. At least you have days you're not.

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Speaker 3: I'm always killed, So I know, I know.

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Speaker 5: We become used, We've grown accustomed to it.

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Speaker 6: It's fine.

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Speaker 5: Uh. I want to ask you about school Scooble had this new procedure that Scott Boris is saying is the future, and it's the laser dissectomy, whatever the heck whatever it's called. Huh, nano vasectomy. I don't know what he had. Whatever he had, whatever he had, I know, nanoscope. Sorry yeah, sorry, no, ignore that. Delete, don't worry. Delete. But what's the importance of him coming back and pitching not only for the team, which is obvious, but for his free agency. Let's say he didn't come back if you're as a former GM, do you hold that against that guy when he hits freeency or do you say, ah, it was just a nano nanoscope. Nanoscope, so it's not a schoobl scope, so it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Everything's a big deal when you're talking about the kind of money teams are gonna have to invest in, right, I don't know if he's gonna get four hundred million or if he's gonna get eighty million a year for three years. I don't know where the negotiations are gonna go. I'm a little confused after the Kyle Tucker Bashett Bellinger deals, Like, I don't know where it's gonna end up. There's only gonna be a few teams that can afford to pay him the kind of money he's gonna get.

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Speaker 3: But everything's gonna matter to me.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing worse than signing a player to a huge contract and then he then he gets injured again or goes under the knife again, and you've lost that investment because you cannot ensure these contracts anymore. So if what happens, you're just screwed. So you have to go homework. Now, in theory, if a pitcher has loose bodies, and even with the old school arthroscopic surgery, if it's a loose body removed and that's it, I'm not concerned about it, and it won't affect my offer to the player. As long as he comes back, is healthy, and pitches to his a custom level before the season's over, I wouldn't adjust my offer. I'm not worried about that surgery. What I care about is what does the ligament look like? Is it affected at all with the loose bodies near the ligament where maybe it's slightly torn that I need to have that answer to did.

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Speaker 3: The injury to the elbow or anything to the shoulder.

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Speaker 4: If you remember the start before he was shut down, he was shaking his shoulder right and we all were like, oh, oh, what's that. It wasn't shaken the elbow, he was shaking the shoulder. So again, before Scoobo gets his next bag, which he's gonna get, no team is gonna sign him without a thorough MRI of the shoulder, a thorough MRI of the If both of them are clean and he comes back and pitches, well, I'm not concerned about it. The only thing I would say to the Tigers and the schoolbl and to Scott Boris is, don't come back and rush the process, even though the Tigers need him so desperately. Make sure you take your time, build it up with the normal recommendations, and when you're ready to go, go, But do not rush back because you don't want to hurt another part of your arm or elbow because you're trying to get back that soon with this surgery. Regardless of what people are going to say, six weeks at the earliest before he gets back on there. But I feel strongly worst case scenario August and September. He's on the mound taking the ball every fifth day and should be one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me get to another Scott Boris client here. JB.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for clarifying the other day that Boris wasn't in Cincinnati to be at a press conference for an Ellie de la Cruz extension. He's just going for a nice meal. And anybody that thinks, oh, he's got to show up and get his name written on a menu has not been to Jeff Ruby Steakhouse because they treat almost everyone that's there like gold. You know, we went there and Todd Frazer's got his name on the menu. Elie has a dish like they just know what they're doing there. They do a great job. My question to you is do you think there is any possibility that the Reds spark that up again? And the thing I think bothered some of our crew was when we spoke to Ken Rosenthal the other day about Sal Stewart and he was mentioning how they don't really feel like they're in the spot funds wise, and I'm like, well, Ellie didn't agree to your money.

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Speaker 2: Shift that money over to sell if you don't feel like you're going to sign him.

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Speaker 1: So as somebody who ran that front offs, I know it's been a minute, but what do you think they should be doing and where they really are financially to be able to hand out extensions.

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Speaker 4: So let me start with Jeff Ruby, who has done an amazing job over the years. Chris collins Worth one of his investors as well. But whether it be the Precinct restaurant, Carlo and John are Jeff Rubies. They're three of Cincinnati's best restaurants. Jeff Ruby is always catered to the sports world. The Bengals, the Reds first class has always taken care of all of us for a long time and really cares about the city of Cincinnati, so I want to give him a little bit of love. When I saw that Scott Boris was there having dinner with La Daily Cruz and I got the phone calls and text from everybody, I immediately rich reached out to Nick Crawl because I'm thinking, Okay, maybe he's there, We're going to see a press conference, is going to be a deal, And I asked him if he had re engaged, because I knew they had talked earlier. They had offered a deal north of Joey Vado to sign him that was turned down. So I asked Nick, and Nick got back to me right away and said not at this time. Scott Boris got back to me about an hour later and said, why I can't just go have a dinner with one of my clients. That's not okay. Tomorrow I'm having a meal with James Wood. You want to do that for the Nationals too. I said, no, Scott, I don't. And then Scott, by the way, is going to watch minor league games the next two days. I love us, Scott grinds, but to answer your question, and I'll answer about both Li de la Cruz and James Wood just because he met with both players, which.

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Speaker 3: Is normal for him.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it has nothing to do with negotiations. If you're the Reds, sign La de la Cruz as quick as you can. It's going to be painful. But I just want everyone to remember that the Washington Nationals could have signed one Soto and they just were too hard headed and they walked away and traded him. He should still be there, but they could have had him for four hundred million and he got seven hundred and sixty five million. Just understand, La de la Cruz is going to get more than Vladimir Guro Junior when it's.

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Speaker 3: His time, and so sign him now. You know, backload the contract, do what you have to do, but you can make it work.

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Speaker 4: Sal Stewart is even a different conversation for me, because Sal Stewart, all the comps are there. You just got to give him in the McGonagall, Connor Griffin Emerson range.

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Speaker 3: It's on a platter for you.

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Speaker 4: This shouldn't even be a conversation. That press conference should have already happened. So I kind of feel that it's different I think in terms of James Wood. You know, I know that Nationals aren't doing well financially, they're not investing in players, they're not drawing. But didn't you learn your lesson with Bryce Harper and Juan Soto? Are you gonna do the same thing to James would and let him go too?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 4: Come on at some point, so these small market teams better pay attention to what the other small market teams are doing to these young players because this is an opportunity that probably two years from now won't be there.

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Speaker 5: And the well, the Rents can't afford to sign Seal Stewart and Ellie, So let's just throw that out there. Jim. We all know they have a hard time signing anybody. They had a hard time signing you to a long term extension so that they can't sign both. But that wasn't my question. My real question is when you go to Jeff Ruby's, do you still get treated like a king? Do they have welcome Jim Bowden on the menu today?

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Speaker 4: Jeff Ruby has always it doesn't matter which of his three restaurants my family we all go to, He'll give us a private dining room automatically right away. And everybody comes in and just treat you like your king. And that's what they've always done there. And when I was GM, there was the Bowden Nick's Grill, which was steak, swordfish, and lobster.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day. I'm not there anymore, of course, but uh I still have that menu.

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Speaker 5: By the way, is that to keep the haters away or the lovers of Jim Bowden away?

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Speaker 4: When you have you know, I always go with my kids, right, I've got five boys, and uh, you know, girlfriends and wives are always there, and so we have a pretty big, uh, pretty big group.

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Speaker 3: So it's much better to put us in a private room.

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Speaker 6: I go through the mobile through at Chick fil A? Is that is that kind of the same as your private room.

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Speaker 3: I like the pickle. I like the pickle on the chicken floor for sure.

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Speaker 6: But my question is, is the reluctance with salth Stewart because he's the first baseman.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the reluctance is.

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Speaker 4: But I was told they're not convinced yet to do it, which I'm not sure I understand. I'm convinced, so I don't get convinced easy. But I'm gonna put him right after Connor, Griffin and McGonagall, and in that category, I think he's gonna hit, He's gonna have power. I'm fine with him at first bait base, the bat is gonna play, and the makeup character off the charts, funny guy, you know, good teammate, all the intangibles you look for, so you know, I'm hoping they change their mind, and I hope they go forward and try to get a deal done because I think the market is just so clear and concision. The one thing also I think they should be considering is bringing up a royo who's red hot in the minor leagues. Reds badly need a leadoff hitter and he would be great at the top of that lineup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've had him play at least last I checked a little bit of third now, Yeah, that's where you put right, because I mean, as good as he is on d like, it's just he's.

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Speaker 3: Not Bailey, He's Pat Bailey. They're backup players, thank you. Yeah, we boa whoa whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, whoa whoa. He tried to sneak down a little one in there. No I didn't catch it, but I called it and crowds caught it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Then why the hell did the Guardians going trade for a backup place?

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Speaker 6: I missed that nine people called him nine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he can't hit, and his elite framing is great, but I can challenge it in the ninth inning, so you're not stealing a strike in the perfect time to win a game.

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Speaker 3: He's a backup guy. He doesn't hit enough. In this day and age, you got to get offense from there. You get none from me. He's Austin Hedges. I mean, that's that's what he is. And to give up pick twenty nine. You know, Hall of famer George Brett was picked twenty nine. Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt went after that.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Walshman, who the Diamondbacks just brought up, was picked after pick twenty nine. Like that's a really good player of picked twenty nine. So the Giants haven't done very much well this year, but that trade, that was a nice trade to get picked twenty nine and a guy with a great nickname and tug bowt Wilkinson.

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Speaker 5: Why did they do it then? Because I said, I didn't understand it from the Guardian side at all, and I mean Scott was like, whoa Patrick Bailey's is the next? Well, Mike Piazza put Rodriguez, Joe Mauer and Buster Posey altogether. James, I always wondering why. I'm like, why did the Guardians make this trade? Because I said they had bot Naylor, who's adequate and can hit a little bit. At least he got some bigots in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Jab I loved it. For Posey, I thought he crushed it, but.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, yeah, he definitely crushed it.

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Speaker 4: And for the Guardians, I mean they wanted someone a little bit better handling the pitching staff. They got to win with pitching and defense. They don't have enough offense, and you know, they just like them better than what they had, So to them, it was a little bit of upgrade, but it was a big price for that upgrade.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Now, that's exactly good combo, JB. I loved it. You're the man, Thank you and we'll talk to you soon, okay, Santur and thanks you. Jes