Frozen Quail Feeders Explained | Falconry, Reptiles, Culling & Shipping Tips

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And we're here.

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How are y'all today we're gonna talk about something that we haven't talked about in a while.

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We have zero G Quail Farm here, and we're gonna talk about.

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Freezing stuff and all that good stuff on this episode of the Poultry Nerds podcast.

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Hi, Brent.

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How are you?

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Good, yourself?

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Yeah.

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We've got Brent from Zero G Farms.

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How did you come up with that Dame?

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So it's actually a little bit of a tip to the history of quail Concern X quail.

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So they were like the first poultry that was actually hatched in space.

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So that's where the Zero G comes from.

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And my wife also used to work for the largest model rocket company in the entire United States.

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So we just mashed all that together.

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And so we've got quail rockets.

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It's quail and astronaut suits, all that type of stuff.

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So branding stuff.

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So yeah, that's kinda where the Zero G came from.

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See the rocket science quail.

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We have rocket science quail, high tech quail.

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People say that quail ain't rocket science, but I guess it's zero G.

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It's, yeah, colorado is also the home space force, at least for now.

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It ties into a little bit of everything for it.

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So yeah, it was a fitting branding.

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That's cool.

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Okay, so we, you haven't been on our podcast and I don't know if you've listened to'em, but we tend to go down rabbit holes.

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So here's our first rabbit hole.

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What do you know about this hatching of quail in space?

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So it was done by the Russians on the mere space capsules slash missions.

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And they were actually trying to provide a living food source in outer space.

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So they were trying to get quail to go up and be able to lay eggs and kinda actually do the full cycle that we know for quail and have their own self-sustaining food system up there basically.

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Was their intent.

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And what they found out though is that quail don't like floating around.

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And so they struggle to, stuff like that.

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There's actually some pretty cool little videos.

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If you go down that rabbit hole some more there's some cool videos of them trying to figure out how to make that whole thing work.

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But yeah, they, they watched'em, they hatched them.

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They h hatched right on time.

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It was an interesting little experiment since that self-sufficiency, which.

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Again, ties back into what we try and do and teach.

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I wonder how you regulate the humidity in our response.

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I, that's an interesting one I was gonna ask, is it turn or no turn?

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Turn.

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I mean it's, if you're rotating around the earth, you could be turning Anne Tilton at the same time.

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Okay.

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And then my second question is, so we can hatch quail in outer space, but we can't have'em in HOAs, even more of a better reason to not live in a neighborhood.

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But I will say that I have more customers that can get away with Keter than they can with hens, even though CD ordinance say that they can't have birds, but they can have chickens, but they must be hens.

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It's limited to six I, I don't know.

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We got some stupid stuff going on in Jefferson County and that's just one of the many that we have.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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We have a lot of stupid here too, but not on our property.

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That's what the gate's for.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Stay away.

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Do you have, you live in Colorado, Brent, right?

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They have all kinds of stupid out there, don't they?

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Yeah, we a little bit of, yeah, we got a little bit of everything going on right now, so it's but that ties back into the whole thing is in our area, we can't really have that many chickens.

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But the way quail are for us, they fall into super gray areas where we're exempt and nobody knows who to point the finger at or, who's actually responsible for stuff.

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So it's it works out and allows, I love that, some urban self-sufficiency kind of thing going on of, nobody really knows what they're doing or how to stop it or enforce it, and we just float along.

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And yeah, I see that a lot with NICs.

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When people get Bob Whites, they've been around forever and a lot of places have categorized them as game birds, right?

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So they fall in that category.

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But when you list game birds,'cause Turex is still in that gray area there's a lot of people, a lot of people that are able to give their HOAs the finger because they're not anywhere around.

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Yep.

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It's kind.

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We asked you here today because we've been getting lots of questions, or at least I have, about frozen feeders, and I know you do'em a little differently than I do'em.

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And so we thought we've touched on it before, Carrie and I have, but we are getting a lot more questions, so we're gonna just do a whole episode on it.

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And why it's really needed really in in the world really.

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Everything eats quail, right?

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Yep.

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So that's why they're so slow.

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And everything does eat quail.

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So I sell mine mostly to reptile people.

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Who do you sell yours to?

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So our main market out here in Colorado is the falconry falconry, Hawking, that type of organizations and individuals.

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We've been now doing this fully as a business since 2024, and I'd say probably solid 80 to 90% of our business is all that that style of stuff.

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And maybe 10% is the reptiles or pet feeder style.

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So is it like clubs or are they like, here we have rehabs.

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Is that what you're talking about, rehab?

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So we sell, we do rehabs or well, we donate to rehabs.

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But we also have like individual falconers that have their own licensing.

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They use'em for hunting out here in Colorado.

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That is an a season that they have.

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We also sell them to big organizations that are.

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Responsible for keeping track of that.

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Like the Colorado Hawking Association is one that we sell a lot of stuff to their members.

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And then we have some of the animal rescues and we'll call it private zoos that we also do supplying for as well.

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Okay.

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Wait a minute.

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Go back to the season thing.

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What are you talking about there?

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So you can actually, oh, you've never heard of that?

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That like you can, that's a whole thing.

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Yeah.

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No, and that, explain it to me like I'm a kindergartner.

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So they teach, they capture these birds.

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In Colorado, they're only able to keep'em for so long.

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So they cat catch a new bird every year and then they use that bird to go out hunting rabbits, squirrels.

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Stuff along those lines.

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And when they're not hunting or they're needing to train the birds, they use our feeders to be able to supplement'em.

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And these guys literally treat their birds like they are track stars and athletes.

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They wave the birds constantly.

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They're doing massive tracking on these animals.

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Which we'll get into later on.

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It's how that affects our selling of them.

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But it, they treat'em as real athletes.

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So they're needing to constantly give them a good quality food source that we're able to provide that way, and a consistent one.

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Okay.

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So you have bow season, you have rifle season, you have, there's another season, falconry.

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Yeah, there's like a whole different category for falconry.

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Yep.

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Is that just a west?

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They have.

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They have traps.

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That you can use to get a falcon and then you use, train that Falcon to get you, squirrels come for you.

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Yeah.

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And it even in the Middle East, it, I mean it's global that type of organization.

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And that's stuff, it's been pulling my leg, right?

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No ma'am.

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Look, Jennifer, I'm gonna tell you this.

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I wish, okay, Google it once.

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That's enough to get it to show up in your Facebook timeline and like you'll start seeing stuff and you're like, nuh, but you'll watch the video and it's cool.

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Like they, they train these birds to do some really neat stuff.

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So do they bring you the rabbit back so you can cook it for Yes.

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They'll pin it to the ground and they'll hold it.

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I mean they, there's, in certain parts of Asia they have hawks that are.

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60 plus pound birds that they're using to hunt deer with.

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I mean they're, it's a, you'll find videos of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, you'll see like an entire personal airline that's full.

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And the hawks have their own little perch hanging out and they're in their hoods and then they go hunting.

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And it's a big global.

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Global type of tradition.

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Okay.

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I will Google it when we're done to rearrange my algorithm because right now I get is the rat terriers chasing the rats?

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It's basically what that is.

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But from the sky.

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Surely I am not gonna be our only.

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I guess listener that didn't know that was a thing.

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So I don't know.

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Maybe I am.

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Nah, no I doubt it because a lot of Falcon people especially the ones he was referring to, the private zoos, those type people you, you to stay at the farm.

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They have cell phones that they go to a gas station to buy a prepaid card for every month.

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That's how tight knit.

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Back.

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They don't want any attention.

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They just want to play with the birds, live their life and have nobody mess with'em.

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And I think it's the coolest thing in the world.

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I can relate to those people, like they've actually.

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Keep quiet about it.

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They're not like a lot of the other groups of people that do things that aren't what the world considers normal, and they do all kinds of videos on it and people are like, oh my God, they don't.

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They don't do that.

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Gotcha.

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Alright.

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You learn something every day.

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That's what the point of the podcast is, right?

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Yeah.

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Learn something new.

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Okay.

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So back outta the rabbit hole again.

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So these are the animals that need to eat.

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They have to eat something, right?

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Yeah.

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So we're just feeding them instead of people because they're not as picky, honestly.

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As people, correct.

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And like you and I have talked about before, with some of our color genetic disputes and debates that we've had, my, my Hawks and falcons, they don't care if it's an American Pansy or a German panzi.

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They could care.

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It's got meat and it's got the proper amount of meat and that's all they really care about.

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So it's a nice break from some of that sometimes.

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You don't have to worry about it.

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And for us, what it, what allows us to do is to coal super hard.

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It allows us to be really picky and know that we're not wasting anything and it's all gonna get used one way or the other.

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So that's really helps for our business side as well.

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Okay, so let's talk about that for just a minute.

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So some people would grow their birds on purpose to certain points to freeze them for the feeders.

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And then.

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I am a breeder first and use that as an outlet to remove the coals out of my breeding program.

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And then it allows me to.

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Hatch way more than I would've been able to before.

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Like for example, I coal straight outta the hatcher.

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You need the anything that's like super vigorous and running across the top of the hatching basket and go and save me.

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Save me now.

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I keep those.

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Or the colors that I need or whatnot.

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But the ones that are just sitting in the corner and they're just all, I don't know about this whole life thing, they're going in the freezer.

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Alright, let me help you out with that.

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Yeah.

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And then so I freeze once a week and then I.

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After I get the hatcher cleaned out, then I'll go to the brooders and I'll take everything out that looks puny or the smallest one, or I just don't need, something's changed and I put them in the freezer and then I just go cyclical that way.

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Just keep pulling like the runts or the smaller ones, or.

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They're not feathering correctly or just whatever reason, they just looked at me wrong.

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The mean ones, the whatevers.

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And so just for example, by doing the feeders on the side, I think I'm only keeping maybe 20 or 30% of what I hatch.

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That's a fantastic way to move your lines forward really quickly.

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Yeah, and we do both.

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So we have so much of a client base.

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We do have some hatching that we do have to do just for those to ensure that we've got the birds.

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But then we.

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Like you, it allows us to be super picky.

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I don't like how that leg looks, a jumbo bird that doesn't have a thick leg isn't gonna last long.

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It's gonna get grown up and turned into a meat bird for somebody else to eat.

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Stuff like that, it really allows us to dial in what we like for our standard of perfection for us, for zero G, and it allows us to see and choose quality that way.

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I totally agree.

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Same thing.

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Okay.

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So on the frozen feeders, so I do the reptile people, they want everything in grams.

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So everything is sized, you've got hatchling and then it goes up in, I dunno, 25.

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And then it breaks to 50 gram increments.

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Are the Raptor people the same way or do you do ounces and they're even more, specific because they have to know that they're feeding X amount of meat to the bird each time for the caloric value, all that sort of stuff, so they're breaking it down the same way, but they're very specific about wanting that weight range right where they want'em.

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When we bag, we actually separate'em into.

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Like half ounce range is where we usually separate'em into.

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If they get one bag, it's all gonna be half, half an ounce, plus or minus for of everybody else in that bag.

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So it allows'em to.

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Be more efficient that way.

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So I got an order a little over a year ago from a university and I was able actually to have a verbal conversation with her and pick up a little bit of information.

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And she specifically wanted older birds.

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Like the older breeder birds versus like younger birds that were just grown to a certain size.

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And I asked her why.

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I was like, they're not gonna be the most aesthetically pleasing, because they're older birds.

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And she said, because they're so much more developed, their bones have much more.

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Minerals and vitamins in'em.

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They're gonna have a little bit more body fat in'em.

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They're just a different nutrition profile for their purposes wherever they, whatever they were doing with the birds there.

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Have you ever heard that before?

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I have.

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Most of our customers though, when it's talking along those lines they want to know that the birds that you are raising for them are selling to them.

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Were healthy, good birds.

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So usually when they're asking that type of thing, it's more of, okay, are you selling me some junk feeders or junk?

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Old breeders that are worn out, stuff like that is more of what they're trying to confirm versus the more of the nutrition side, they want to know that you're putting out and giving'em a high quality product.

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They want something that was either raised for that or, was meets what your standard was to feed to their own animals that way.

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So you bring up a good point.

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What we don't do is we don't go through our cages and our brooders and pick up the dead ones and put them in the freezer.

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No, those go out to the pigs.

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Yeah.

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No.

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If you didn't call it yourself, that doesn't go into a feedback for somebody else to feed to their out.

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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So now let's get into the nitty gritty.

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So I call using CO2 gas, and that just basically requires a shallow Tupperware and a CO2 tank.

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And it takes, I don't know, 20 seconds or so maybe, and I can do hundreds at a time, but you don't do that.

00:18:39.115 --> 00:18:41.365
We were talking about it before we started recording.

00:18:42.355 --> 00:18:48.325
You have your clientele is even more picky, so tell us how you have to call yours.

00:18:49.174 --> 00:18:51.545
So we have to do the cervical dislocation.

00:18:51.575 --> 00:18:54.045
So basically, snapping the head at the neck.

00:18:54.375 --> 00:19:01.995
All I would say a solid 98% of our customers, that is the very first thing outta their mouth is how do you dispatch?

00:19:02.325 --> 00:19:05.865
And if you say CO2, they usually start asking a lot more questions.

00:19:06.144 --> 00:19:10.605
The second you say that you do cervical dispatch you can tell the mood changes and.

00:19:10.890 --> 00:19:19.370
Much more like understanding and confirming that you know what you're talking about and you're gonna meet what their goals are and their their needs are that way.

00:19:21.259 --> 00:19:22.190
Interesting.

00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.870
So you, you do all ages cervical dislocation.

00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:27.799
Yep.

00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:29.569
Do you do like the cup method?

00:19:30.750 --> 00:19:33.039
We we, I just hold right underneath the breast and.

00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:35.450
Seconds.

00:19:35.450 --> 00:19:36.890
Do you ever pop too much?

00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:38.539
You can.

00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.460
And tho those end up in a separate pile.

00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.440
But yeah, I mean we do so many of'em.

00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:51.599
It's you get used to the feel and it's just second nature now, and you just do it super fast and the birds don't fight it.

00:19:51.599 --> 00:20:06.160
They don't resist it, i, for us it's even on the doing chicks, which is harder doing a lot of chicks, that's a little rough, but it seems to be a lot less of a stressful process for the birds doing it that way, in our opinion, no, nothing's gonna be nice, right?

00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:06.220
No.

00:20:06.819 --> 00:20:11.490
Everything's gonna have a process, I am not adept at doing it.

00:20:11.490 --> 00:20:16.829
I just never, I've tried and I just can't do that popping with my thumb.

00:20:17.309 --> 00:20:23.220
So the CO2 tank, carbon dioxide is heavier than the air, so it kind of sinks in the T of air.

00:20:24.515 --> 00:20:26.934
And essentially they're suffocating and then they're gone.

00:20:26.934 --> 00:20:27.910
You put'em in the freezer.

00:20:28.329 --> 00:20:36.109
So I would, I'm, I've never timed it because I just do it and then walk away and come back about five minutes later.

00:20:36.450 --> 00:20:40.980
But if I had to guess, I would say I leave the tank on about 15 or 20 seconds.

00:20:41.130 --> 00:20:42.059
That sound about right?

00:20:42.109 --> 00:20:47.480
I don't, yeah, you're probably 20 to 30 depending on the size of the container, how many birds you got in there.

00:20:47.930 --> 00:20:49.609
Yeah, it's a pretty big container.

00:20:49.609 --> 00:20:51.410
I can fit about 400 in there.

00:20:51.779 --> 00:21:01.140
And it, but here's a trick though that I think people try to skimp on the gas because you don't, they don't wanna go buy more is I open mine wide open.

00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:04.670
So it's per as instant as I can make it.

00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:12.200
So yeah, I put a I have a piece of one by 12 that's about the size of the lid.

00:21:12.890 --> 00:21:14.000
I set that on the lid.

00:21:14.630 --> 00:21:19.220
Then I set a chunk of metal that probably weighs about five or six pounds.

00:21:19.609 --> 00:21:34.049
So the lid don't go and I open the thing all the way up, and I wait until 10 seconds after I stop seeing movement, I cut it off and then I'll go do something.

00:21:35.474 --> 00:21:39.134
Maybe one or two minutes pass and then Okay.

00:21:39.134 --> 00:21:41.865
Individuals boom in the freezer.

00:21:42.704 --> 00:21:42.825
Yep.

00:21:44.694 --> 00:21:45.654
That's essentially it.

00:21:45.654 --> 00:21:48.204
I know people ask us a lot of times like, how do you do it?

00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:50.700
I guess they think it's harder than it really is.

00:21:50.750 --> 00:21:56.069
I learned watching YouTube videos for mice, people.

00:21:56.835 --> 00:21:58.484
People doing it with rodents.

00:21:59.414 --> 00:22:02.319
I just, that's how I picked it up and set my system up.

00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:15.049
You get your CO2 gas at a welding supply store and it is an expense, like you have to buy the first canister, whatever, and it's, yeah, it's a couple hundred dollars, but it's not expensive to fill it up.

00:22:15.049 --> 00:22:18.079
It's, I think it was$30 last time I filled it up.

00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:24.559
And, I wanna say as often as I do it, I have to refill it maybe every three months or so.

00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:28.170
It lasts a while as long as you close the valve down.

00:22:28.170 --> 00:22:28.620
Really good.

00:22:29.309 --> 00:22:31.230
We did do it like twice in one week.

00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:33.839
One week because somebody didn't close the valve.

00:22:35.684 --> 00:22:43.815
I guess that's one too for you guys, since you're more experienced with that side, we've always heard that there's a lot of risk doing it with the CO2.

00:22:43.815 --> 00:22:51.224
Have you guys ran into any sort of kinda issues trying to do it or heard of stories where people are just doing it the wrong way?

00:22:52.394 --> 00:22:59.865
The only instance that we've had where we had an issue is I, do you know my room?

00:23:00.315 --> 00:23:04.785
Currently has the incubator and the brooders in the same room.

00:23:05.085 --> 00:23:07.934
Now, I know a lot of states you can't do that, but it didn't matter here.

00:23:08.305 --> 00:23:13.075
And so my CO2 tub and tank are in that room, right?

00:23:13.224 --> 00:23:18.355
So take'em outta the hatcher, put what I want in the Brooders, and then turn around and put the rest of'em in the tub.

00:23:18.805 --> 00:23:22.089
Remember when I said CO2 gas is heavier than the air?

00:23:23.154 --> 00:23:28.404
I had a tub, a big tub, a big brooder underneath of the tank.

00:23:29.964 --> 00:23:31.515
And it, I left it on.

00:23:31.515 --> 00:23:39.765
And anyway, I was sitting there and I was waiting and I look, happened to look down at the chicks and realize the ones in the brooder below were a little sleepy.

00:23:41.204 --> 00:23:45.920
So I got a big I think I took the lid to the hatching basket and I was fan you fan.

00:23:48.184 --> 00:23:50.914
And then they were all like, what's going on?

00:23:50.914 --> 00:23:51.875
What happened?

00:23:52.505 --> 00:23:52.805
Yeah.

00:23:52.984 --> 00:23:53.884
Then they were okay.

00:23:54.105 --> 00:23:59.085
Just maybe be mindful when you're doing stuff like that of what's around you.

00:23:59.085 --> 00:24:06.115
I'm, but some things you just don't think about until it happens, so now I have actually moved it, it's on my work table.

00:24:06.115 --> 00:24:08.575
It's away further away from the brooders.

00:24:10.134 --> 00:24:15.444
But other than that, no, I haven't had any, I haven't had any trouble in there.

00:24:15.595 --> 00:24:21.954
Now we did have a little instance bringing the canister home two or three refills ago.

00:24:22.384 --> 00:24:23.495
A funny story.

00:24:23.914 --> 00:24:26.255
We were in the truck and we had it.

00:24:27.464 --> 00:24:31.335
Tied to the tie downs right in the back of the truck.

00:24:32.174 --> 00:24:38.394
And we're coming down this road and the, there was a guy pressure washing his driveway.

00:24:38.394 --> 00:24:44.065
And so I said something about the guy pressure washing his driveway, which, okay, whatever.

00:24:44.755 --> 00:24:49.585
But has gosh, that fresh, that fresher washer seems awfully loud inside the truck.

00:24:50.424 --> 00:24:53.065
And David goes, it does.

00:24:53.184 --> 00:25:01.224
And then we drove past him, but you can still hear the pressure washer and it was really loud valve kicked open, so yeah.

00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:02.509
Yeah.

00:25:02.644 --> 00:25:04.595
They put that little screw on lid on there.

00:25:05.585 --> 00:25:05.765
Yeah.

00:25:05.765 --> 00:25:06.815
This one didn't have that.

00:25:07.265 --> 00:25:08.394
And we pulled over.

00:25:08.394 --> 00:25:10.884
There was a church on the corner, so we pulled in the church parking lot.

00:25:10.914 --> 00:25:13.085
David jumps out, and of course we had a.

00:25:13.214 --> 00:25:14.115
Newer trucks.

00:25:14.115 --> 00:25:16.174
So the tailgate, there's stuff going out.

00:25:16.775 --> 00:25:18.095
Oh, he, and he's it's frozen.

00:25:18.095 --> 00:25:19.355
And so he is trying to touch it.

00:25:19.355 --> 00:25:22.505
And of course you're not supposed to touch it because it's like dry ice, right?

00:25:22.654 --> 00:25:23.795
It's burning his hand.

00:25:23.795 --> 00:25:24.845
He is trying to turn it off.

00:25:25.095 --> 00:25:27.134
Actually, did you know that's how they made dry ice?

00:25:27.684 --> 00:25:28.615
Was carbon dioxide.

00:25:28.615 --> 00:25:28.765
Yeah.

00:25:28.765 --> 00:25:30.714
CO2 and something else goes in there.

00:25:32.214 --> 00:25:40.555
I saw a thing the other day where they just take like a burlap sack and put it on the spigot of the CO2 tank and turn it on full blast.

00:25:40.884 --> 00:25:43.029
And the burlap sack filled up with dry ice.

00:25:44.125 --> 00:25:45.204
Oh, that was pretty cool.

00:25:45.505 --> 00:25:46.674
Now, hey, you need to try that.

00:25:46.674 --> 00:25:49.194
It might save you some trips to Publix for Kroger.

00:25:49.825 --> 00:25:51.805
Let's not even talk about that right now.

00:25:52.265 --> 00:25:55.944
We'll talk about, actually we're gonna talk about that and, but we'll talk about that in a minute.

00:25:56.095 --> 00:25:56.484
Okay.

00:25:56.484 --> 00:25:57.984
So we have a list here.

00:25:57.984 --> 00:26:03.714
So we talk about how to call and then I just lay mine out on trays and set them in the freezer.

00:26:03.714 --> 00:26:04.825
Is that how you do it?

00:26:04.974 --> 00:26:06.745
So there's a little bit of airflow between them?

00:26:07.404 --> 00:26:10.644
Yeah, as long as we know that it's gonna be for like falconry use.

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:15.880
We literally cool'em, put'em right on the tray, dump'em into the freezer, and they freeze up that way.

00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:31.039
If we know that they're gonna be for like a dog food supply or something along those lines, we do gut'em and clean'em out before we do that, but yeah, it's basically big metal tray into the freezer and enough space where it'll circulate around them and they freeze out.

00:26:31.609 --> 00:26:32.720
Whatever the customer want.

00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:33.769
Yep.

00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:34.980
To a degree.

00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.829
Depends on how big the order is.

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.839
Yeah, that's true.

00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.210
Okay, so diet.

00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:46.289
I don't change my diet on my birds before Cho, do you?

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:47.789
Nope, not at all.

00:26:47.789 --> 00:26:48.660
Just feed'em.

00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.269
We usually yank'em out of the same cage and call'em out right then and there.

00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:54.269
And packaging.

00:26:54.269 --> 00:26:55.500
Do you package yours?

00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:56.549
Yep.

00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:02.500
So we do either, the pressure seal bags or we do ziplocs depending on the customers.

00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:10.220
We even have a couple that, they only have one or two hawks, so they only want two birds per package type of thing.

00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:15.500
And that's where we'll get a little specific with the customers on how they want their own packaging done up.

00:27:15.500 --> 00:27:17.960
But yeah, that's generally all we do on'em.

00:27:18.785 --> 00:27:19.174
Yep.

00:27:19.414 --> 00:27:20.255
Ziploc bags.

00:27:20.605 --> 00:27:26.904
So I have learned over the time of doing this, you want to have them frozen when you put'em in the Ziploc bags.

00:27:26.964 --> 00:27:27.355
Yes.

00:27:27.404 --> 00:27:27.615
Yeah.

00:27:27.855 --> 00:27:31.005
The, see we have some tips for people, right?

00:27:31.005 --> 00:27:31.065
Yeah.

00:27:31.245 --> 00:27:37.365
If you do it the other way around, that heat and the moisture off their body is make slice crystals and stuff.

00:27:37.934 --> 00:27:38.085
Yep.

00:27:38.115 --> 00:27:39.525
And it's a hot.

00:27:40.089 --> 00:27:41.710
It doesn't look presentable.

00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:43.690
It's not, it doesn't look presentable.

00:27:43.690 --> 00:27:56.569
And when you, like I had a customer one time that wanted them package 25 to a pack on the new, like the chick's, new, new chick's, 25 gram weight range.

00:27:57.380 --> 00:28:00.859
And I was like, okay, shoot, I, they want a lot.

00:28:01.009 --> 00:28:02.450
Let me just try it this way.

00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.870
And I was like this.

00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.220
Don't look good at all.

00:28:12.710 --> 00:28:15.140
So yeah, I learned that lesson the hard way.

00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:16.069
Yeah.

00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:20.720
And then right on the Ziploc bags, what they are, because once they're frozen, it's hard to tell.

00:28:21.620 --> 00:28:28.880
Yeah, and we, like for Colorado, we have to have certain process processing, location, all that type of stuff.

00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:33.130
So that's how we seal our bags is with a thermal paper kind of sticker thing.

00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:34.000
Works real good for us.

00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.289
Does it fall under cottage walls?

00:28:37.375 --> 00:28:48.605
I mean it could, but no, it's it's just how we have to deal with that stuff so they know where it came from and gay Morgan doesn't pull somebody over and think it's a wild bird or something like that and cause issues.

00:28:48.605 --> 00:28:51.694
So yeah, we have to have'em marked and how they're processed.

00:28:52.325 --> 00:28:53.825
Yeah, we took the time to freeze it.

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.380
And then go out in the woods with it and you'd be surprised.

00:28:57.380 --> 00:28:57.920
That's wild.

00:28:58.585 --> 00:28:59.325
That's wild.

00:28:59.944 --> 00:29:03.174
We just throw them in a Ziploc bag and call it a date.

00:29:03.224 --> 00:29:06.375
People need to move on in more special, things to do.

00:29:07.095 --> 00:29:07.515
Yeah.

00:29:07.964 --> 00:29:08.444
Okay.

00:29:08.444 --> 00:29:14.174
So we touched on this a little while ago, but the old breeders, so those aren't really.

00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.450
Pretty enough to sell to retail customers.

00:29:18.870 --> 00:29:20.220
Is that a nice way of saying that?

00:29:20.849 --> 00:29:21.089
Yeah.

00:29:21.329 --> 00:29:23.910
So dog food, especially if you're having your breeders run the right way.

00:29:24.099 --> 00:29:27.940
If you've got a one to four or one to three, those hens look rough.

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.210
Yeah.

00:29:28.690 --> 00:29:29.200
Yep.

00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:37.005
So raw dog food people, they're fine with that because they're okay with some feathers, but they don't necessarily want all the feathers.

00:29:37.795 --> 00:29:38.964
The dog food people.

00:29:40.654 --> 00:29:41.105
It depends.

00:29:41.105 --> 00:29:42.154
We'll sell'em even at the factory guys.

00:29:43.595 --> 00:29:45.154
But we do a huge discount on'em.

00:29:45.154 --> 00:29:47.775
And we're very upfront about, Hey, this is a breeder batch.

00:29:47.775 --> 00:29:51.285
Do you want a discount set so that you can, have a little bit of a discount?

00:29:51.285 --> 00:29:52.875
And usually they're pretty okay with that.

00:29:53.174 --> 00:29:55.035
We always declare what it's gonna be.

00:29:55.995 --> 00:29:56.204
Yep.

00:29:56.714 --> 00:29:57.075
Yep.

00:29:57.525 --> 00:29:57.855
Alright.

00:29:57.855 --> 00:30:03.105
Now you do anything special, cut their toenails or beaks or you do that stuff?

00:30:03.105 --> 00:30:03.704
Yeah.

00:30:04.289 --> 00:30:10.450
So I would say 90% of our customers out here want the lower leg removed.

00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.960
Which actually works out pretty good'cause then you don't end up with toes trying to poke through bags stuff like that.

00:30:15.990 --> 00:30:24.779
We just run through and clip the lower leg off and once they're been dispatched and then cut the lower leg off, throw'em in the freezer and let'em ride.

00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:32.289
But do you, that's about do dehydrate de the, do you dehydrate the lower leg and sell them for cat treats?

00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:33.430
We have.

00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:39.319
And actually our pet food guy will take'em and he'll do stuff with that, with them on them too.

00:30:40.575 --> 00:30:42.345
So it allows you another point of sale too.

00:30:42.394 --> 00:30:46.714
You're able to use more of the bird and more of the profit out of it that way as well.

00:30:47.855 --> 00:30:52.714
So another tip, if we wanna go backwards a little bit here to the freezing part of it.

00:30:53.055 --> 00:30:55.335
You were talking about the legs poking through.

00:30:55.515 --> 00:30:57.914
So I set mine on.

00:30:59.394 --> 00:31:05.904
I'm just gonna say it on the hatching time baskets that come with the C two one eighty's, you know the two that you sandwich together?

00:31:06.025 --> 00:31:06.295
Yeah.

00:31:06.295 --> 00:31:11.035
I don't use those, I don't use those because my big hatcher has different kind of baskets.

00:31:11.285 --> 00:31:15.454
So I actually use them for freezing the quail is what I do.

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:16.009
And you can.

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:21.085
You know they're rectangular, so you can offset them in the freezer air and you can offset'em.

00:31:21.295 --> 00:31:22.285
Crisscross'em.

00:31:22.515 --> 00:31:22.805
Yeah.

00:31:22.809 --> 00:31:24.309
You get great airflow with it.

00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:29.819
So when I set them on that, I actually tuck their feet underneath of'em.

00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:32.980
I don't just throw'em, I take the half a second.

00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:36.460
Once you figure it out, it just takes a half a second and.

00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.170
Like they're sitting upright, like in a crouching position like a cat almost.

00:31:41.410 --> 00:31:44.200
And that does make it easier to package them later.

00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:50.200
We used to take rubber bands and do it that way and literally you hold the wings in, legs in and just kinda make a softball.

00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:55.900
And that used to be the way we did it before, we had so many people just requesting the lower leg to be off.

00:31:56.140 --> 00:31:57.009
Hey, you know what?

00:31:57.109 --> 00:31:58.220
Now you've got me thinking.

00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:01.009
I wonder if they even care about the wings.

00:32:01.970 --> 00:32:02.569
Can you take the wings off?

00:32:04.214 --> 00:32:06.620
So our f people want the wings.

00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:12.210
You could, for some people, I'm sure if I brought it up with enough customers of, Hey, do you want these or not?

00:32:12.269 --> 00:32:15.690
That'd be another byproduct that you could turn around and sell as well.

00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:22.194
But yeah, most of our guys, they'll, all they're wanting removed is the lower leg and then everything else is fair game, basically.

00:32:23.609 --> 00:32:36.490
And so for our listeners, the reason why I bring that up is you can dehydrate the wings and sell them for cat toys, for bird dog trainers, for treats, for, just whatever, lots of different stuff.

00:32:36.545 --> 00:32:38.309
Crafting that kind of stuff.

00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:39.710
And it's pretty easy to do.

00:32:39.710 --> 00:32:41.359
You just throw'em in the dehydrator.

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.309
I do mine for about 24 hours.

00:32:43.620 --> 00:32:46.079
Make sure you do it in the garage or in the barn.

00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:46.799
Don't do it in your house.

00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:46.859
S.

00:32:47.674 --> 00:32:47.855
Stinks.

00:32:49.470 --> 00:32:49.759
Yeah.

00:32:50.075 --> 00:32:53.694
But yeah, I didn't even think about that,'cause I just do the same as you.

00:32:53.694 --> 00:32:54.505
I just put'em in there.

00:32:54.505 --> 00:33:00.204
But it might be worth asking because if you can take that burden, turn it into$10 because.

00:33:01.069 --> 00:33:02.000
It's worth it.

00:33:03.650 --> 00:33:04.279
Why not?

00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:05.509
If they're just throwing them away?

00:33:06.120 --> 00:33:09.134
Because there's not really any meat there, there's no nutritional value.

00:33:09.294 --> 00:33:09.614
I wouldn't eat.

00:33:09.614 --> 00:33:09.693
No.

00:33:09.693 --> 00:33:12.368
I've seen our I've seen our hawks though, eat them.

00:33:12.469 --> 00:33:16.068
Like some of our customers have sent videos and they don't really tend to care.

00:33:16.068 --> 00:33:17.818
They just down almost the entire thing.

00:33:18.128 --> 00:33:25.653
There's very little left of, a tunic quail and, several pound Hawk decides it's hungry, exactly.

00:33:26.374 --> 00:33:28.443
I could see that, huh?

00:33:28.594 --> 00:33:29.763
Be worth asking though.

00:33:30.723 --> 00:33:35.634
Okay and then the last thing on our little list here is shipping and delivery.

00:33:35.634 --> 00:33:36.983
What do you do with yours?

00:33:37.794 --> 00:33:45.499
So all of ours, thankfully, our local-ish style deliveries, so I think our farthest ones, two and a half hours.

00:33:45.709 --> 00:33:53.209
So we usually just load up a big Yeti or, igloo cooler with ice and pack all the birds in and roll'em out.

00:33:53.269 --> 00:33:54.888
We are, we're not having to ship.

00:33:55.368 --> 00:33:59.659
A lot of our, all of our stuff's here is local, so we just do our own delivery.

00:34:00.028 --> 00:34:08.979
And it makes it nice too because we get to interact with the customer a little bit more other than just a random box showing up and, people can put a face to the crazy quail guy.

00:34:10.864 --> 00:34:16.929
See, that's why I like running my feed route for my deliveries is I get to interact with my people.

00:34:17.259 --> 00:34:19.838
Like I, I like seeing other chicken and quail people.

00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:21.878
Yeah.

00:34:21.878 --> 00:34:22.838
I'm just gonna stay here.

00:34:22.838 --> 00:34:24.278
Everybody has to come visit me.

00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:26.713
So I do ship.

00:34:27.074 --> 00:34:30.074
I am probably going to stop shipping.

00:34:30.669 --> 00:34:31.959
Probably the summer.

00:34:32.169 --> 00:34:35.169
I had came to a halt last summer and I didn't miss it.

00:34:36.369 --> 00:34:39.939
It's very difficult to ship, especially in the summer heat.

00:34:40.369 --> 00:34:44.449
First it's very, I'm really rural and it's hard to find dry ice.

00:34:44.449 --> 00:34:53.588
And it, dry ice is a requirement to ship and, because there's no way to keep it cold otherwise you're gonna be paying for overnight, and then it's just not cost effective.

00:34:54.099 --> 00:34:56.858
The other reason is if it's.

00:34:57.893 --> 00:35:02.063
A big order and it is delayed.

00:35:02.304 --> 00:35:05.723
How long does it take you to redo that order?

00:35:06.083 --> 00:35:10.583
And it's, there's just not enough in it for shipping.

00:35:10.643 --> 00:35:11.993
Shipping's too expensive.

00:35:11.993 --> 00:35:12.653
Dry ice is.

00:35:13.563 --> 00:35:16.203
Almost$3 a pound after tax here.

00:35:16.663 --> 00:35:17.893
It's just crazy.

00:35:17.983 --> 00:35:20.623
It's, I don't know, it's not really cost effective.

00:35:20.804 --> 00:35:25.063
I guess I could raise my prices and if people were okay with it then okay.

00:35:25.063 --> 00:35:25.364
Yeah.

00:35:25.364 --> 00:35:25.813
Oh shit.

00:35:25.923 --> 00:35:33.033
But right now the shipping part of it,'cause people will order four babies and I'm like, ugh.

00:35:33.953 --> 00:35:37.573
Why, let's at least fill the cooler because I need to fill the cooler.

00:35:37.973 --> 00:35:40.313
So maybe I should put a minimum or something on it.

00:35:40.383 --> 00:35:43.113
That's what we do, especially on the small stuff.

00:35:43.113 --> 00:35:43.983
We have minimums.

00:35:45.343 --> 00:35:50.923
When I first started I had these itty bitty littley tiny coolers, and they fit in a poly shipper.

00:35:51.013 --> 00:35:56.413
But I have since run out of those and I probably just haven't updated my website since I ran out of'em.

00:35:56.463 --> 00:35:57.693
That's probably what I need to do.

00:35:58.443 --> 00:36:09.698
But yeah, so I can't think of really anything else other than the raw dog food people, but those are a different category than what we're talking about.

00:36:10.758 --> 00:36:14.258
And they're much more selective.

00:36:15.788 --> 00:36:17.798
I guess is the right word to say.

00:36:18.048 --> 00:36:20.568
They seem to each want different things.

00:36:20.568 --> 00:36:27.918
Somebody wants'em gutted, somebody wants toes off, somebody wants no feathers, somebody wants, they're all different.

00:36:28.128 --> 00:36:28.248
Yeah.

00:36:28.248 --> 00:36:33.318
And I'm inclined to just sell them live and they can do what they want to with'em that way.

00:36:34.318 --> 00:36:41.118
I think that's one of the things too especially if you're going to look at that avenue is being able to know how to.

00:36:43.608 --> 00:36:47.238
Almost assembly line it to where you know, hey this guy's gonna get this.

00:36:47.448 --> 00:36:53.508
And when you're going through and doing everything, making sure of, hey, I have to have 50 that are x, y, or Z done way.

00:36:53.878 --> 00:36:58.028
If you're just processing up batches, it's real hard to keep track of that sometimes.

00:36:58.028 --> 00:37:03.478
And that's where kind of the headache is, if, yeah, we all know it's gonna take several weeks to regrow a bird.

00:37:03.478 --> 00:37:07.408
So if I mess up an order of, Hey, all these are supposed to be gutted.

00:37:08.713 --> 00:37:12.803
Hey, now I'm, six to eight weeks behind on where we needed to be for that order.

00:37:12.983 --> 00:37:16.603
So it's one where you really gotta be paying attention to.

00:37:17.413 --> 00:37:17.653
Yep.

00:37:18.163 --> 00:37:20.083
You cannot thaw one out and gut it.

00:37:20.083 --> 00:37:20.713
It doesn't work.

00:37:22.183 --> 00:37:22.303
No.

00:37:22.303 --> 00:37:23.323
They get mushy.

00:37:23.373 --> 00:37:24.003
It's stra.

00:37:24.093 --> 00:37:24.783
Yeah.

00:37:24.783 --> 00:37:26.703
You don't wanna, I wouldn't even wanna try that.

00:37:26.703 --> 00:37:30.453
That would just, no, I didn't.

00:37:30.573 --> 00:37:31.563
I didn't do it.

00:37:31.563 --> 00:37:36.078
I just got feedback from a customer who did it I don't know.

00:37:36.208 --> 00:37:39.568
So I don't do a lot of raw dog food here as far as those are concerned.

00:37:39.568 --> 00:37:41.218
I've done a few here and there.

00:37:41.438 --> 00:37:44.588
The people who will just hand them a frozen bird and go GNA on it.

00:37:45.788 --> 00:37:46.868
Those are my people.

00:37:47.208 --> 00:37:50.178
The other ones I'm a breeder first.

00:37:50.178 --> 00:37:53.113
If I did dog food first, that would be different, but I'm not.

00:37:53.193 --> 00:37:56.258
And so I have to set those boundaries and that's okay.

00:37:56.318 --> 00:37:57.273
I can't do that.

00:37:57.303 --> 00:37:57.573
Yeah.

00:37:58.723 --> 00:38:04.803
Yeah, and I think that's one of the biggest things too or biggest disclaimer for all of this type of thing is.

00:38:06.093 --> 00:38:09.543
Being able to, one, set your boundaries of Hey, I just, I can't do that.

00:38:10.173 --> 00:38:14.133
Two, also, being upfront about what your actual capacity is.

00:38:14.503 --> 00:38:16.393
Everybody wants to say, oh, it's great.

00:38:16.393 --> 00:38:19.513
I can get rid of all these feeders and all this stuff.

00:38:19.593 --> 00:38:22.263
Yeah, but you're feeding an animal that is on a schedule.

00:38:22.663 --> 00:38:32.803
If you're not able to keep up with their schedule, you're only gonna be able to say, I'm behind once or twice before they're going to somebody else that can get them the products that they need.

00:38:33.263 --> 00:38:44.123
And I think that's where a lot of people don't make that good jump from the hobby side, to like the business side is they're not able to step up and say, Hey, I can't do this.

00:38:44.123 --> 00:38:45.413
This is what I can do.

00:38:45.863 --> 00:38:49.263
And then making sure that they're able to keep to it, that's the biggest thing.

00:38:50.043 --> 00:38:50.373
Yeah.

00:38:51.553 --> 00:38:55.448
Tell everybody where they can find you because you don't ship anything, right?

00:38:55.898 --> 00:38:57.068
No we do ship.

00:38:57.788 --> 00:38:59.138
A little bit of stuff.

00:38:59.478 --> 00:39:02.118
But mainly it's like feet, legs, stuff like that we do ship.

00:39:02.118 --> 00:39:13.398
We do have our own craft line items that we do we do resin eggs products business card holders, stuff like that where we try and use more of the quail and the egg shells, all that sort of stuff.

00:39:14.238 --> 00:39:17.958
But we have Facebook, which is our farm name, zero G Quail Farms.

00:39:18.378 --> 00:39:22.308
We also have our website, which is same thing, zero g quail farms.com.

00:39:22.678 --> 00:39:24.268
We do have an online store on there.

00:39:24.268 --> 00:39:31.018
We have a bunch of educational blogs a lot of kind of cool stuff to really dig around and explore it on that site.

00:39:31.478 --> 00:39:38.558
And then we're always able to answer through emails or through the website, and you are in the mountains in Colorado?

00:39:38.558 --> 00:39:38.648
Yep.

00:39:38.738 --> 00:39:39.393
Outside of Denver.

00:39:40.328 --> 00:39:53.108
Yeah, we're an hour we're technically two hours south of Denver and that's the other reason why we don't ship a lot of frozen is even for here inside of the state, all of our stuff has to go to Denver and then go somewhere else.

00:39:53.388 --> 00:39:59.958
So all of our stuff you're adding at least two days to the trip, especially if it's down south.

00:40:00.328 --> 00:40:02.638
It just doesn't work out that way for a lot of that stuff.

00:40:02.688 --> 00:40:03.048
Yeah.

00:40:03.108 --> 00:40:04.008
Logistics.

00:40:04.818 --> 00:40:05.148
All right.

00:40:05.148 --> 00:40:20.858
And if everybody listening wants some help with incubating, we have created a Facebook group incubation masterclass, and Brent is one of the admins in that group too, so he can help you out with the high altitude incubating.

00:40:21.008 --> 00:40:22.418
That's why we have him in there.

00:40:22.818 --> 00:40:24.858
Thank you very much for being here, Brent.

00:40:24.858 --> 00:40:25.758
We appreciated it.

00:40:26.358 --> 00:40:27.498
I agree, we appreciate it.

00:40:27.498 --> 00:40:34.168
And on, on that high altitude thing, we on that website, we do have a kind of community experiment we're doing.

00:40:34.168 --> 00:40:49.448
So if you want to look at some of that stuff and look at the effects of actually shipping eggs from low altitude to high or high to low, and you're hatching a bunch of eggs every year, it might be something, take a look at and see if we can dial some of this stuff in for everybody else around the country that way.

00:40:49.538 --> 00:40:53.218
So I appreciate for appreciate the time for letting me come on.

00:40:54.078 --> 00:40:54.678
Sounds good.

00:40:54.678 --> 00:40:55.488
I'll talk to you later.

00:40:55.488 --> 00:40:55.578
Yep.

00:40:55.638 --> 00:40:56.778
I enjoyed it was awesome.

00:40:57.768 --> 00:40:58.728
You guys have a great night.

00:40:59.238 --> 00:40:59.838
You too.

00:40:59.838 --> 00:40:59.858
You too.