The Where Ocean Gets Her First Boo-boo

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Speaker 1: Hey, babe, is fla la kenks with rand We are back. Happy Wednesday, Happy Wednesday Wednesday, And to those of you who drank happy motherfucking hump Day, I hope you got lit for me. There you go, because it's been one hell of a week so far. Randall knows why.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it has been a week. You're not going to bring this up.

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Speaker 1: I mean Monday we shot the main titles for vander Pump Roules correction you and well hold up? Not really. So Randall had asked me if it was a cool idea if he did main titles. Now keep in mind, it wasn't like correct, and then you came to me and said, like, what do you think? Right, it wasn't. I originally thought it was like they were going to give Randall a title card, you know, where he'd be like spilling drinks in the.

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Speaker 3: Opening credits, which we said, no, that.

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Speaker 1: Cannot happen. But come to find out, it was like just the main shot, like the group shot where it's like vander Pump rules.

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Speaker 2: Here twenty people.

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Speaker 1: Right, so you did it?

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let's let's go through the process. I was having a meltdown because I was like, this is a lot, and then you, you know, you and everybody else who we talked to thought, oh my god, it'd be fun to be next to you. Blah blah blah blah. So I got the courage up to accept the kind invitation. Correct, I didn't know what it really meant because I've never been in part of anything like that. And so I went to the Sir restaurant with you. Correct walked in and everything was like tented, so it didn't look like sir like when you go there and have cocktails or.

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Speaker 1: No, it was like a set.

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Speaker 2: It was like a set totally. There were there were TV cameras, there were still cameras, there was makeup and hair was it was a big production. I didn't know what I was walking. I think if I knew that, I probably Oh, you.

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Speaker 1: Thought we were just some like mom and pop show.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that.

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Speaker 1: I think that you didn't expect there to be like real cameras.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think there'd be like a crew of thirty five p I mean, it was big. And I walked in and I was like, if I knew it was lad, I probably would have just stayed home. But I thought I'd just come in and be like a still camera. We just knock out a shot and go home. So right away I walk into uh, well you walk into hair and makeup, and then the guy. The guy was very nice. I don't know his name. He was like, he's like, just sit here, Ran, and I was like, oh, okay, thank you for giving me a seat. But I didn't know that meant I'm going to get hair and makeup, because that's what he meant. So then he's just start caking stuff on my face and I'm like shell shocked. And then we sit there together and anyway, the next thing I know is then we're lining up for a photo and I'm all, I'm saying to myself, I didn't tell you this, but all I'm saying to myself is this is like a burnt's foot photo. That's what I tried to think about. This my burn MIT's put photo. And I was like, this is my burnet's photo. These are my family and friends watching, and the director is like moving everybody around, and I'm just like, this is brutal, but it was. It was really neat to see your world, like how big it is. I mean, it's much bigger than I think people realize.

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Speaker 1: Like, I think it's much bigger than you realize, because if you remember, it wasn't too long ago. By the way, we have my fiance's best friend of one hundred million years, Mike Burns. Here, Hi, Mikey. He's just patiently waiting.

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Speaker 2: We have we didn't sell people, but we have Mike Burns, the director of your.

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Speaker 1: Movie Out of Death. Yes, and but he's looking like he wants to chime in about how his friend looking at me shaking his head. Okay, back to it wasn't long ago that Randall I would be like doing the show and Randall would blow me up, like what are you doing? It's like, I know you think that the first year, I had no clue, you had no idea.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like he so yesterday and throughout the season he's seen like, oh, these people like they're like living their real lives and she actually busy doing that. And yesterday, how long did that did that main picture take?

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Speaker 2: All?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: We arrived at four forty five and we didn't leave till nine o'clock. That's like that was intense. And by the way, yeah, for the last three or four years, I know now the deal, but the first year, I was like, oh, you're going to film, and I thought that'd be like an hour and you'd come back like eleven hours later. It's like it's your real life. They follow you everywhere you go, they do all these things. It's pretty it's pretty intense. I give everybody on this show, in all reality shows, after seeing a little taste of it, a lot of my hats off to you because it's long days and you know, you guys are really good at what you do.

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Speaker 1: I just I mean, we must have been standing there for three hours straight just trying to get everybody's facial expression perfect, their movement, they're set up. I probably got on and off the same chair fourteen times yea to lift it with boxes before they were like, can you everyone's now perfect, Wila, can you somehow try to get off the chair again and just stand I'm like, my god, it's a grueling day.

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Speaker 2: It's long and by the way, and then.

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Speaker 1: You just thought you were going to roll in there, get the shot and dip.

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Speaker 2: No, they told me this would be a quick thing.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: And then after we did this one big group photo, I got to leave and you then had to go do your like slow motion little solo thing, and that you didn't even get home till.

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Speaker 1: My calltime was four forty five and you get home till one one in the morning.

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Speaker 2: That's that's enough for one shot. I mean, I gotta say, it is an art. The show is awesome. It's really cool to work.

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Speaker 1: All the people that are creating the main titles are geniuses, and like they look at every little detail, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, And then we had to keep our eyes open. They kept saying, we had to close our eyes and open.

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Speaker 1: Up and have the fule thing directly in your face, and they're like, keep the eyes open, keep the eyes open. They're just like burning your eyeboso, Crisp.

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Speaker 2: I am petrified to see this because I am by no means like you guys as models, and you know.

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Speaker 1: We're all basically like retired mactors model actors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm the middle aged person looks like your grandfather in this picture, So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Maybe my dad and not my grandfather. Definitely you could be.

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Speaker 3: My dad though, Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it was really neat to be part of it. I really never thought if they asked me, did you ever think you would be here? And I said absolutely not. But Lala is very persuasive and very opinionated, and so therefore somehow I ended up there. So it was neat to see you guys do what you do. And I'm always taking my hat off a show that's been on. I say this. I say it to Lisa, I say it to all the casts. You guys have been on the air for nine years. That is a huge accomplishment in television, whether it's scripted or unscripted. It's a hit show. My hat's off to everybody, and congratulations on another season and I can't wait to see you and hopefully not a lot of me, but there you go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. There was a time that Randall was like, I will not do the show unless it equals out to be you know, like X amount of dollars and.

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Speaker 3: Now here he is no hold on time backwards.

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Speaker 2: You know that I said that because you know and I know that we had that conversation we got together that I was never going to appear on the show, right, and then you about three years in, were like, babe, will you just show up a few times just just because I have to show my real life and you're part of.

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Speaker 1: It, right, well, I can only be a girl in her late twenties taking her top off for so long before it's like we need to show, like what my life is really like, like I have someone at home.

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Speaker 3: It's like right, and so do.

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Speaker 1: You do me as solid?

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Speaker 2: And you were really smart because you said to me, let's just go with Jackson Britain and the dinner. We'll just go to the wedding. You get in a lease of Vanner pompas smart. She's like Dolly. So my point is is that somehow you guys got my head, told me it'd be three or four times I have.

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Speaker 1: To appear, and you were great though, rand you added like such a life hearted aspect to the show. You know, I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Gonna say that I never thought, you know, you guys made it fun for me. And the few times that I do, you know, you know, come on with you, it's always kind of been a fun setting. So that made it easy for me. Yeah. But anyway, I'm excited and congratulations on another season. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: In sadder news still Bravo related, obviously, because I don't know anything else besides Bravo.

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Speaker 3: Literally, oh this is sad news for you.

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Speaker 1: Bravo. kN has officially been canceled for twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one, which is crazy, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, and can I tell you sucks. It does suck. But I was talking to Sheena and we were both freaking out about number one leaving our babies behind for four days and two we both are still breastfeeding and to have to pump regularly and also not feel you know, never in my life have I ever thought that the saying don't cry over spilled milk it could not be less true. Well, I also think don't cry over I'm gonna cry over spilled milk. So if I'm pumping in New York for Bravo Con, I need to save that shit. So that was a whole thing between Shinna and I like how are we going to save this? How are we going to package it and get it back home? And then I was thinking about it like thank you Bravo for keeping us all safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, And that's what I want to say is that obviously Bravo Con is such a big fan friendly event. I mean, I went the first year to support you and everybody wants to mingle and talk, and clearly we can't have that right now with COVID and the Delta Varian. Yeah, so you know, my hat's off again to NBC Universal and Bravo because it wouldn't have been safe. And I think this was the right call. And so at the end of the day, there will be Bravo con again, right, and we just have to wait till next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was definitely happy that their focus was to keep us safe. And you know, we went to World Dog Day this weekend and I even though it was outside, like you get a little nervous. I have a baby at home. Other people have babies at home, like we all have families, And there were people that would come up and ask if they could hug me, and I was straight up and I'm usually never like this.

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Speaker 2: You're a hugger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hugger, and I'm usually even if I don't want to, like, I'll still do it. And World Dog Day was the first day, yeah, first time ever that I was like, no, I'm sorry, but right.

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Speaker 2: Now it's a scary time again. And it's been a scary time. And we thought for a minute, you know, like with the vaccine that you know, things were really hit turned and now here we are again, you know, in a really scary time again. So we just all have to do we have to do to stay safe, keep everybody safe, and I'm just praying for the best for everybody because you know, it's a it's a really odd couple of years that we're all living in. So so anyway, I'm excited because today we're gonna cut them. But I just want to say our next guest is Mike Burns. Michael Burns, who I grew up with in Miami, will talk about how he and I found our love for film together and the and the irony. We have a story to tell, and we'll tell it when he comes on, about the irony of fate. And I do believe in fate, and I do believe that fate has a big role in our lives. At least that's what I believe, and he does too, And we'll talk about fate and how we started in movies together and what happened this year for both of us and the odds of that. But on top of that, he directed you in your last movie, Out of Death. That was his first thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank god it was him, because I was hormonally like it was I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: There, But are are you? Gonna let him be open to.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about Ye yes, I will totally.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be going. All right, let's cut the break. We'll come right back with Mike Burns and.

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Speaker 1: We are back. Okay, before we bring mikey on, no, I just have to share what happened a couple of days ago that like shook me to my court. I had always wondered what it would be like the first time you see your child bleeding and you don't know where it's coming from, because I've I've seen this on TV, like Real Housewives of o see this woman that did one season like her kid's hand was bleeding and she didn't She was like, where is it coming from? Like the bloods everywhere whatever, freaking out and I was like, oh my god, I can't imagine. So I take Ocean to Jackson Britney's house and she's standing I even posted it on Graham. She's standing on like her little plaything. It stands you up, but she can't reach the bottom so that she can move around. So we added books underneath for her to be able to touch. So whatever I go over, I pick her up, I'm holding her, I'm holding her feet and my hand is wet and there's blood all over my hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not good.

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Speaker 1: And I just started freaking out. I was like, oh my god, my baby's bleeding. I like rush her to the sink. I'm putting her feet under the water. And then I see that she has all of these tiny little paper cuts all over her feet from the book, from the books, and I just started sobbing. She didn't make a peep. She did not make one peep about it, which made me feel even worse. So that I officially experienced my first time with ocean having a boo boo that was bleeding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's scary. That's scary that that that moment is definitely a moment you'll remember forever because it's like, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, speaking of I need to write it in her book. I forgot. Oh wait, I didn't forget. I did write it in the book.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I did. Well. I mean, I'm glad it was it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not being the day was great. The day ended up being great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a heavy subject heavy moment there, but.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I feel like moms that listen to the podcast can relate though.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's mostly moms and and women are demographics, so I think they will enjoy that story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll understand. All right, onto lighter topics.

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Speaker 3: Let's pivot, let's pist.

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Speaker 2: So let's bring it out. Mike Burns, Mike, Mike, welcome, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, Hey, that was my story. Was a hard act to follow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so Mike, so let's talk about a couple of things. So you and I we grew up together. Tell people kind of our story from your perspective, like where we grew up in you know, a cliff note version of just us, and how we fell in love with movies together and went to college together and things like that.

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Speaker 5: Well, it started when you crashed my fourth grade birthday party.

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Speaker 2: Because I wasn't invited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you crashed it.

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Speaker 2: He had a jumping house.

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Speaker 5: So here's the sixth grader jumping in a jumping house with a bunch of fourth graders.

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Speaker 2: Sounds about right, right, A lot of sounds about right.

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Speaker 5: Now changed pretty much the same, and I just sound and then then and then he held that against me till he was thirteen, when he has bar Mitzva. He didn't purposely didn't invite me because he was still so angry about that. So I didn't get to go to.

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Speaker 2: The bar Mitzi.

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Speaker 5: I don't think and I almost a little angry about them myself. A grudge holder, you are, I don't think that we just weren't that close friends.

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Speaker 2: We weren't close.

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Speaker 5: I just happened to have a bouncy castle and that was all he wanted in. Yeah, he wanted in, that is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the truth is I did not intentionally not invited my burns, but my parents controlled the list because I was twelve years old turning thirteen. Let's leave it at that. So Leslie and ethan Y blocked my childhood friend. You're welcome.

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Speaker 5: So then when we were that we wasn't until we were fifty, no till I No, that was thirteen, and you were.

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Speaker 2: Fififteen, sixteen, So when I was in high school when we started making films together.

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Speaker 5: So let's say we pretty much met in junior high pretty I mean, I'm there, but like we started to hang because his sister would they would go to school together and commute and do all this stuff. And they were in the same theater class. Your sister, my sister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his sister and I were in the same class, went to New Old School. The arts are pouring.

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Speaker 1: Artsize, and your sister is on Broadway.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's she's a musical theater actress and.

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Speaker 3: She does a lot of Broadway, so it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Burns Yeah, yeah, very talented. By the way, she was off for record deals at like nine years old. She had like the sickest voice. So Gloria asked the final all types of people were trying to sign her at like dying ten eleven years old. It was nuts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys not basically teen fifteen is when you became friends and did you did you share the love of creating films? Is that what kind of put you guys together?

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Speaker 5: We were both my sister was acting and Brandy was acting, and I started acting, and Junior high was the first place you could start taking drama classes, so we all kind of were in the mix there. But my dad had bought a camera video camera, so.

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Speaker 2: With the cord that went to the vle like.

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Speaker 5: One machine had all the tapes in it. The other one was a big ass battery pack that you have to care could only going twenty either way. I mean it was like crazy, yeah, and I could. I mean they were there was like forty five pounds and you had to carry around and we.

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Speaker 2: Had and we had to film each other like being in the movie.

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Speaker 5: So like Micha, Well, we only had two of us, so my sister would and our sister would, our sister would play like the girlfriend like that broke my heart. At the Christmas we had we had a tripod, so we did do scenes together and we had some fun stuff and we were just like having fun, just making videos.

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Speaker 2: And but we did. We did. I mean we have we found the tapes, the lost tapes. We have the Mike found when we'd convert them to DVD, so we.

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Speaker 1: Have Okay, where where do we watch? You have to Mike, can you take the Can you take them and put them so that we can put them on social media?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh my god.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to feel a good fit for your your social people are gonna be like, what the fuck is this?

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Speaker 1: We're Randall's social all right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We could do that.

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Speaker 2: Listen so fun. So so here's here's a summary. We made probably twenty thirty forty music videos, commercials, short films, like anything. We could just come up. We use we would borrow the car in the neighborhood to have the parent come and drive it, roll it up back and forth, like production value.

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Speaker 1: Like we that is so adorable, and.

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Speaker 5: We love movies too. We actually got dressed up for to go see Wall Street in like suits.

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Speaker 2: With glasses, with the ties, with everything. And then and we like, we didn't have a lot of friends. We didn't have a lot of friends.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be I can't imagine why.

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Speaker 2: This is the eighties and we just do it. No, we just didn't have a lot of friends. We were we were Did.

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Speaker 1: You go to New World too?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: He did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we both, we both, we both. He didn't finish.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not like he didn't finish Harvard and he didn't finish the New World.

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Speaker 2: Who finished a lot of schools he started.

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Speaker 1: But it's fine. Look at him now thriving.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen. So so here's what happened. We made like forty short films. We we And then what happened was he was really he left.

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Speaker 5: Me to go to college and I was all alone.

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Speaker 2: No, he was really, he was really he was really talented with editing. So what happens. We created the story kind of together, we directed it kind of together. We started and then he was then I would go home and all night he'd stay up and edit these things, which in the old days you had a.

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Speaker 7: Kind of scotch tape machine. It was horrible and all that stuffy. So he made these films into really cool and it was really fun. And then I went off to film school. He then came to the same film school in New York, and then we stayed in our friends.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, you know. So it's not for everybody.

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Speaker 5: I have struggling problem with authority figures.

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Speaker 2: That's understanding.

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Speaker 1: You don't like being told what to do.

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Speaker 2: That's why he's a director. That's why he's a director.

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Speaker 1: Oh so he holds all. Yeah, he Well, speaking of being a director, you made your directorial debut with the film Out of Death that I was in Lucky You let's talk.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's pause there. So Lala was six months pregnant, five five months pregnant when she left to Puerto Rico to do a movie. And now here's the thing. The movie had it started on time and wrapped on time, not due to a COVID event. You would have been in and out in just a couple of weeks, right, But because it got shut down for COVID.

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Speaker 1: Was there for a month, for freaking months.

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I'm at home, I'm working in the office, you know, getting ready for the next movie. I'm preparing, and Lala is calling me in isolation in her hotel room. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's serious at.

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Speaker 1: The time, right, but now looking back, everyone's healthy and safe. We can laugh about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, were false positives, so it wasn't even it wasn't even a real COVID event in this particular situation. But Laala's calling me saying, I'm gonna get out a fucking plane.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm aborting this mission.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the film starts, well.

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Speaker 5: You know what happened was is that this movie was supposed to go in April. Yes, and that's you were like one month pregnant or something like that at that point. Yeah, you weren't even pregnant, Juni.

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Speaker 2: You found out.

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Speaker 1: We found out we were pregnant July. So if it was supposed to go in the April.

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Speaker 2: You weren't pregnant. That's right now, I wasn't, okay, So there are a lot of push start dates. There were a lot of issues COVID related events.

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Speaker 1: You know that they treat false positives the same as a positive. They don't care if it comes back right.

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Speaker 2: So we get we get a false positive, we have to shut the movie down, and we have to retest, and we have to trace and do all these things. And in the end, nobody had COVID in this in this situation, but it's still pushed the movie back two weeks. So now Lala gets on set. This is the part I like to hear it.

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Speaker 1: So as I'm waiting, I'm becoming progressively more hormonially angry.

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Speaker 2: Tell pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Tell us from your perspective.

00:21:08
Speaker 2: Tell us from your perspective, how well I was on some days, on hers especially.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to hold back.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is going to be good, because I haven't even heard this.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean we were I think we had. We had a couple of you know, moments I'd say no, no, give us.

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Speaker 2: Some specific I want to hear what that means as a director, what is a specific moment?

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Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean i'd say, you know, we were the first one I think was when we were when I was trying to get a couple of rehearsals in early on. We were trying to block out some stuff. I was trying to do some blocking and had some opinions about doing blocking.

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Speaker 2: Give us our opinions. What were they?

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Speaker 5: She said, I don't really know why. She said, I don't know why we're doing blocking right now. I wish you'd be doing that on set. I've never had to do blocking in front of We.

00:21:51
Speaker 1: Were in a ballroom rehearsal.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to rehearse like that. Put me on set, show me from point A to point B, and I'll.

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Speaker 5: Tell you do I'll tell you what. That day, though, we did get on set and do that scene because we blocked it. I was like, you know, the guys know what to do. Remember we're here, here, here, and we moved fast.

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Speaker 2: So it did we did.

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Speaker 5: It did help them.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I never would have been like I would have never had I not been so angry and hormonal, I would have been like, fuck it, let's do a million rehearsals.

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Speaker 5: Well, remember you were also in pain. So you were dealing with the saiata that was it's hard to do anything when you're in pain.

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Speaker 1: I love that Mic is being so friendly because if I were in his place, I would say you were a nightmare, and you were.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you've done a lot of movies. I know a lot of the producers you've worked with and directors that you've done since, you know, in the last five years, and every single director and every single producer gives you rave reviews. So I knew that in Mike Mike's Smart.

00:22:50
Speaker 5: I was and I was a fancast. I mean I was already a fan of yours from you know, the row too. I thought you did a great job. Was so that was the first time actually seeing you do a floral lead kind of leading to the thing, and I thought you were great. So for me, it was just like, let's just have fun with this, and I know you're going to do really well. I just, you know, we just.

00:23:11
Speaker 2: Time because she would call me, You call me and say, you know, like I just should be home right now. I should be home. She should be home, you know, nesting and getting ready. But the thing was, you know, you're the kind of person in law when you commit to something, you never back out. So I know, you you know, you're somebody wants to finish and see it through and you didn't want to let anybody down. It was unfortunately the movie got pushed so many times that it just ran into your practice.

00:23:35
Speaker 1: Sciatic nerves did not add. But I'm so grateful that it was Mike as the director because if it would have been someone else, family, it was like family, And I felt, really.

00:23:46
Speaker 5: She's a double edged story because then you can kind of you know, you yell at your brother.

00:23:49
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

00:23:50
Speaker 5: It's yeah, exactly, it's a little bit of a double edged story. But I will say that it was hard. It was she had to do a lot of physical stuff and should have like lay down on the grass for you know, in a weird position for potent. She's dead for like a half an hour while another guy's doing a scene that she's not even really she's just in the background. So it was a lot. There was a lot of things there that were you know, a little you know, tricky, and and you know, we you know, we were just there was a lot of pressure and I think that you know, you did, you did your best to keep it together and and I think that, you know, because you were pregnant, because of you having the pain, I gave you a hall pass on that one.

00:24:24
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that.

00:24:25
Speaker 5: And I think still and I still think you crushed it. I think you did a great job and everybody loves you in the movie.

00:24:29
Speaker 1: I really like the movie. So now that so Mike keeps saying that he wants me to watch it. I haven't ever watched a movie that I have been a part of. I watched the row.

00:24:39
Speaker 5: We're sitting in the premiere of the movie.

00:24:42
Speaker 1: And then it kind of it kind of ended there. I just I don't I don't enjoy it makes Yeah, it makes me very uncomfortable because I critique myself like I could have done so much better, and then it's not productive. It's not a productive thing.

00:24:56
Speaker 5: You couldn't have done any better than you've done this way.

00:24:58
Speaker 1: Okay, let me, let me, let me and it hit number six on iTunes, which is great war but who's going four?

00:25:03
Speaker 3: Wow?

00:25:04
Speaker 2: See I was number three and number two, But hold on, okay, so let's just let's so let's talk about so now Mike directly, that's right. So, now Mike directs Out of Death and I direct Midnight in the Switchgrass. And here's the funny thing. So both of us are I'm fifty, he's almost fifty. We both decide to go and direct our first features. I do mine and then get shut down in the Pandemic and that it takes a long time to remount it. You start yours after and when I'm in post and I'm actually shooting my next movie that I'm directing. And but here's the irony of it all. We both grew up with the love of film. We both are passionate filmmakers. We both waited decades to make the decision that we're ready to direct. What are the chances? What are the chances? This is? This is the craziest thing. Mike brought this up to me, and at first I was a whatever, man, that's kind of weird, But then I really think about it. What are the chances that we both have a movie come out.

00:26:00
Speaker 8: One that started almost almost a year, almost the year before mine because it gets ship down down, and then his he did nine months later, whatever, And then they both come out with two different studios within seven days of each other. I'll and we're in the top ten together, and then we're competing for the spots.

00:26:20
Speaker 1: Chances are very low.

00:26:22
Speaker 3: It's one in a trillion, very low.

00:26:25
Speaker 2: It's almost near and possible. And then here's the crazy part. I remember when we're both at night Sunes. My movie came out on Friday. He was already creeping up to the top five and he was in at four at this moment, and then I came in at like number eight, and when we first launched, and then he starts dropping down because he's already been out and open. He's starting to go and.

00:26:43
Speaker 5: Then I'm getting the daily the minute by minute update. I'm coming up for you.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, from eight, and I go to six and then he goes to five and go, I'm close, but I don't know if we're ever going to get there because I have no idea. And then he hits six and I go to five and I go screenshot right on the ends Instagram. Best friends.

00:27:01
Speaker 3: We made movies that get You're so course.

00:27:03
Speaker 5: He waited until he got the five spot and I was down at six.

00:27:07
Speaker 1: That's your Randall Mills, and.

00:27:08
Speaker 5: He goes, it's crazy when your best friend is number six and your number five and the iTunes charts.

00:27:13
Speaker 1: You know, what's crazy.

00:27:14
Speaker 2: I gave you a shoutout.

00:27:15
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Oh a shout out.

00:27:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give me a shout out. But then I got to three and I was really excited. But here's the thing. I joke around with the competition, But the truth is, we both started movies together. We both loved film, and we both waited that diverged in our past to do.

00:27:31
Speaker 5: You produced, it was acting, and you know, and you were actually maybe considering directing when you went to film school.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I never want anything to do with directing until I was up until I until I was maybe ten years ago, I started thinking about it. I just never thought I would ever me too.

00:27:48
Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you now that you have both directed. Mike, what do you feel was one thing that you thought directing would to be like that kind of shocked you that it wasn't that way.

00:28:04
Speaker 5: What was the unexpected aspect of directing?

00:28:07
Speaker 1: Yep?

00:28:08
Speaker 5: I think you know, I think a lot of directing that they don't teach you is you know how to how to deal with people and how to how to try to make sure that you're protecting your vision but also respecting other people's artistic uh you know, freedom really so they can really kind of do what they do. I think I think when we were doing our when we were doing our stuff, and you know, I went, I came into it with this like really sharp vision of what I wanted, which I think is good. But then you've got to kind of throw it away and let people do what they do. And then later on in the post production process, you're like you watch stuff and you're like, oh, okay, that kind of worked and and that was really cool. So I think that yeah, just being able to work with different personalities and different and different people who didn't need different things, right. They think every every actor is a little bit different. Some actors really want to be told what to do and where to be and how to do and and other people are kind of the opposite. And there's just a lot of like different ways that methods that people use to be able to do their thing. And and I you know, you don't know that until you go in and start and start working.

00:29:10
Speaker 1: With people teaching that and correct me if this wasn't how it really was. But you know, you're kind of, you know, the head of the entire production. So it's not even just the actors that you have to worry about and their you know, creative mindset and like you said, freedom, but you have other people on set that you're also in charge of. Was that kind of a shock that it was like, Wow, I'm really running this entire show?

00:29:37
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

00:29:38
Speaker 5: Actually have a video of myself that I did a little video diary, and I'm like, I have this is I'm sneaking away right now because I haven't had like five minutes to be able to just without somebody running up and sing a question. I said, I guarantee you in the next five seconds, somebody calls my name and I literally five seconds later Mike, Where's Mike?

00:29:52
Speaker 2: Where's Mike?

00:29:53
Speaker 1: Right?

00:29:53
Speaker 5: So that was new to me and having that, you know, and having to I mean you you're used to that, because I'm sure it's just NonStop.

00:30:01
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was a completely different experience for you.

00:30:04
Speaker 2: Right from what you said, I think that part of it wasn't as shocking.

00:30:08
Speaker 1: The Okay, so for you, same question, what was like, what was the unexpected for you that you maybe had a vision in your head of what directing consisted of, and how was it different?

00:30:21
Speaker 2: I think for me. Uh was was just the intensity of every minute, you know, Like as a producer, I come on and I have to solve big problems, the major problems, you know, like oh we're over schedule, where we lost the location and actors sick, you know whatever, the kind of big picture items, big ticket items, right whereas a director you're solving every little little detail. And so for me, I just wasn't used to the constant every second. And here's the big takeaway. I went into directing just with an open mind. Even though I've produced over one hundred films and I've been on many sets, I went in not expecting anything. I just said, I don't know what this is going to be, Like I might hate it, I might love it, but I don't know. And as you know, Babe, as I told you every day I called you, I was so excited about every part of it. But I think for me, the part that I that I wasn't ready for was as a producer. After two hours, if I'm ready to go to the hotel and go play pickleball, you can leave. If I want to go, if I want to go back to LA and see my kids or see you, law, I get on the plane and I come, I say on Thursday, I'll be home when you're three weeks, five weeks, six weeks in, and you're like, I'm fucking tired, and I want to go home to my house, and I want to you know, I want to go to the hotel.

00:31:38
Speaker 1: Not enough.

00:31:39
Speaker 2: So anyway, there was a day where I didn't feel well well, I only had a few hours of sleep, and I was super fatigued and I was dehydrated, and I went on set and you don't have a choice. You don't get to let people down when you're in there.

00:31:48
Speaker 1: So I think that you can't say, like today I need to sleep in a little.

00:31:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, because every minute counts on a movie set, and every dollar means something. And after being a producer for so many years, I have such respect for that part of it that I wouldn't do that. And I remember, this is this is the best moment I had as a I mean not the best one. This is the moment where where the producer produced me for the first time in my career. Because I do the producing and I produce directors. One of my producers, I was supposed to be there at eight o'clock in the morning and I gotten up at six not feeling well, and he knocks on my door. He comes in and he's like, all right, you ready to go? And I was like, oh my god, they're sending somebody in to bring me because they know that I told him I don't feel well. Can We pushed it a couple hours and he's like, come on, I got you bagel, I got your orange juice, I got you some vitamins, I got you emergency. We're going, let's go. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, I don't feel I don't feel great. He's like, no, no, it's great. You're gonna go. We're gonna set the shot. Then you go on your trailer. You're gonna rest for an hour, and then I'm bringing back on set. We're gonna keep going. And I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting produced. It's like it's like what I've done right, and you know, because you want so It's just like those moments were so surreal for me, because that's what I did for twenty plus years, you know, with other directors, and so I think that was new to me and not having that that exit where I could just say I'm tired and I want to I've worked, you know, twenty two days straight. I haven't had a day off, and I want to just go sleep. There's no option for that. And so I think for me that that was that was something. But then again, the adrenaline and the excitement and the high mind as you.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: Get on there's nothing like you forget your fatigued.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no magic that when you walk onto a set and you get to create, for me with actors and talk about a scene and they challenge you. You know, actors will say, well, why, why why are you making this decision? I don't necessarily agree that my character would do. And I like that part of it. I enjoy being pushed and that and that's a real artist. You know, actors who are who are incredible arts, They are incredible artists, and they want to be challenged. They want to be pushed, they want answers, and if they don't believe what you're what you're telling them right, then you've got to find a way to convince them that that is the right choice for that character. And if not, you got to be open to their choice. And does it not? Does it does? Sometimes? What they say, you know, when they give me ideas. I'm like, I didn't see that. You know, I'm open to that. Let's try it that way too. So I enjoy that collaborative process. I enjoy really really creating, collaborating on an intimate level right on set, in the moment, and when the magic works, Mike, I mean, I think that there's no bigger high for me. You know that that's it. That's where I found that level, reminding me when I first started producing films. You know, it's all brand new.

00:34:21
Speaker 1: And yeah and all that.

00:34:23
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, I like, let's throw this back to you now.

00:34:28
Speaker 2: A quick break before we go to along.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: I've never directed anything.

00:34:32
Speaker 2: You direct me every day. Okay, all right, We're gonna take quick break and then and then you can interview the law. We'll be right back.

00:34:41
Speaker 1: We are back. I really loved hearing your guys' little story of how you came to be and about you guys being.

00:34:49
Speaker 5: The odds of us being friends for this long and working together for this long. How many people do you know that have been friends and working together six thirty something?

00:35:02
Speaker 1: Three of my best friends I've known for.

00:35:05
Speaker 2: Not thirty five years, thirty five So no, but I in the same field, same field. We've been working together for two decades.

00:35:14
Speaker 1: No, it's amazing, it's amazing. It's very sweet. And you know, I'm going to be honest. I know both of you, and neither of you are super easy to deal with. So the fact that you I.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Am a cakewalk, I resent that.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: I'm just saying yeah, no, I wouldn't be able to say it cool.

00:35:30
Speaker 5: So I'm going to throw you something at you because I just want to know in terms of because I mean you you do your character. I guess I don't know if it's I'm not a big reality show person, so I don't watch the shows and I don't watch the show, but I know that Randy was a huge fan of vander Pump forever, and I know that you are amazing in it and everybody loves you. What's the Is it a persona or is it you? Or what's the deal there?

00:35:53
Speaker 1: I love that question because a lot of people do think like you. This has to be scripted because no one in their right frame of mind would act this way. I think the difference between being on this show there's.

00:36:09
Speaker 5: Like versus acting.

00:36:10
Speaker 1: There's right acting. You know, you hand me a script and I get to be very creative with it and spendah. Of course I go to a coach, but when I step onto Vanner pump rules and I'm being myself. You know, the only difficult part is you don't get to say this isn't the right time or place, you know, because that's what we do. We feel all of our feelings and we express them. So there's no gray area you're black or you're white. And that it's so crazy because my mom always told me as a child, like, please find the gray area in life. I was always very intense. It was always one way or another and it couldn't be in between. And who knew that that would make a reality TV personality.

00:36:57
Speaker 6: You know.

00:36:57
Speaker 1: It's like if I am feeling it and thinking it, then I say it, and sometimes it's you.

00:37:04
Speaker 5: It's yeah, and apparently it works.

00:37:07
Speaker 2: Listen when I want when I see you, because I now sometimes around while you're filming, you know, nothing changes. I mean, you guys are who you are. I know you guys. Why the camera's rolling, I know you guys when we're on vacation. It is who you guys are. Nothing is different. The only thing that that happens is you guys are confronting and dealing with your inner friendships right there in the world gets to watched.

00:37:33
Speaker 5: But I mean, imagine it's harder doing what you do than being on a screen, you know, acting, where you get to just jump out and be anybody. I mean, you have to be vulnerable, and I mean you're you're on You're on the show now too, So I mean, what does it feel like when you're.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Just, oh, well, for me, it's never going to be it's for her. It's amazing when sometimes I sit there, we joke about it while and I like, I'll be sitting at a dinner table why they're filming, and they're having like these conversations or these intense conversations, and I feel like I'm sitting on my couch watching the show because I'm never going to be comfortable with the camera pointed at me. It's not real.

00:38:05
Speaker 1: You're behind the scenes guy, You're never going to feel comfortable about opening up.

00:38:09
Speaker 2: It's not it's not my thing. I respect that, but but but watching them, it's like they don't even know the cameras are there. They are just themselves, whether they are getting along or not getting along. And that's why I say, like to do what they do and be who they really are. They're the real selves. They're not when the cameras start rolling you would think like, oh, they're gonna put on a show. Now it's like I'm sitting there watching they are exactly.

00:38:35
Speaker 1: Just organically happens. And the thing is with this group.

00:38:38
Speaker 2: Is and they are friends. You get the other thing I want to say, Mike, that that most people don't know, and I'm sorry to cut you off. The thing that people don't know is this group they are really friends. I've met Laala, you know, years and years ago, and I've known every one of these people that are on the show from the day I met you Loss. I mean, they've been in your life. Yeah, whether they're whether the cameras are rolling or they're vacationing with no cameras. They are true friends. This group, you know.

00:39:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are times where we have drama and I'm like, God, when vander Palms love to catch this right now, you know, like it just it never changes. But it's almost like the ultimate therapy because you're constantly spewing your feelings and at the end of the day, you sometimes they we make each other better and other times we come to the understanding where it's like we're going to disagree on this, and is it going to end a friendship or do we just like own that to who this person is, This is who I am, and we're gonna move on and just embrace the fact that we disagree on this. You know, it's like I feel like I have therapy, especially in our interviews.

00:39:39
Speaker 5: Do you I mean, if you if you have a problem watching yourself in films, do you watch yourself on this day?

00:39:44
Speaker 1: They have to, They have to think they have to because then we go into a reunion where we have to talk about all of our behavior and things like that.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: So they therefore like it's part they have to watch each episode. But are you it's.

00:39:56
Speaker 5: Critical of yourself when you watch it, when you watch yourself being yourself?

00:40:00
Speaker 2: Or no, I think you're less critical.

00:40:02
Speaker 1: I'm way less critical who you are? Right. It's it's like for me doing vander Pump, it's not an I wouldn't say it's an art. You know, like when I go and I film a movie, you know, I really incubate that character and try to take it on as my own. And if I feel like that's going to be judged as it not being good enough. I take it more personally, I guess because I also feel like I let the roll down, whereas like if on TV, if someone's judging me, it's like, fuck you, this is me, like take it early, own care.

00:40:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's easier. Like if you're on a reality show like you are, people are judging, they're what, they're judging who you are as a person. You know who you are.

00:40:45
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's easier for me to digest. It's easier for me to digest them coming for me as a human rather than them coming for like a character what I'm putting on.

00:40:57
Speaker 2: I don't think you could do the job. Like that's why, like when people like I don't think you can be in the position you're in and be so like by a comment you know, shook, as you say, like, I think it would be hard to do what you do. And I think you guys have to build up a certain kind of tolerance for people you know coming for you on reality Whereas in a movie you work hard and inhibit a role and interpret a role, and then you put it out there and then people say, oh, well, you didn't do a good job. That's that's hard because it's like your artistic work.

00:41:29
Speaker 1: Correct.

00:41:30
Speaker 2: So as as a reality star, you're being real, You're just being who you are. So I don't think you get as shaken.

00:41:36
Speaker 1: Now, you know, it's not at all.

00:41:38
Speaker 5: Well, I think you did a great job on the on the movie. And if you haven't seen Out of Death, go check it out. It's available on Amazon. Watch La La because she's is really fun and amazing and there's you know, there's.

00:41:49
Speaker 1: A lot, a lot of stuff with that role.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: I'm proud of both of you guys. You guys both did a great job. And Mike's getting ready to go direct another movie in October.

00:42:00
Speaker 5: I just signed my contract with Yes Off you go off, You go off, you go Thank you, thank you for the opportunity.

00:42:08
Speaker 1: Okay, so before we sign off, Mikey, thanks for.

00:42:11
Speaker 2: Joining me, Thanks for having thanks for coming.

00:42:13
Speaker 5: Thanks guys, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

00:42:14
Speaker 2: And by the way, Mike Burns's Instagram is Mike Burns. There you go follow him and check out his latest work.

00:42:21
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a few voicemails that I want to answer. I love voicemails.

00:42:27
Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall, It's Gabby and Erica from New Mexico and we love your show, and we our question is for Randall, and our question is have you read Laala's entire book? You just wanted to know and if you sat down and read it, we love you guys.

00:42:44
Speaker 2: My answer is, by no, I read what Lala wanted to to. I think that was the safest move for me. When Lala was writing the book, I really really respected the fact that she's going to be a first time author. When she came to me and said, I'm going to write a book on myself, on my life, and you know, I was very supportive and I said, is it you know, you know, just you know, I wanted to kind of let her have her moment. I didn't. I felt like if I read it why she was writing it and the drafts that she had, I might, you know, get a little shook. Yeah, I read. I read. She let me. We talked about me reading the one chapter there's one particular chapter and I don't, but there's one chapter I did read, and I really I just said, okay, you know, it's it's your voice, it's your it's your world. And I think one of the things about our relationship that we've always thrived on is we support one another and everything we do, and I definitely support her in this book. Are there things in the book that I would have preferred she maybe left out? Sure? I mean, I definitely don't think toothbrushes are necessary in the book.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: So can I chime in on that real quick? Because that was a big headline I've spoken about a lot, especially in the show, and I'm going to say this without getting emotional. The reason I chose to put things like that in the book are because you know, I was really struggling with addiction, and there were people when I said that I came out as an alcoholic that really looked at me like why, I don't get it. And it was important for me to show the behavior that I would display and things that I would do when I was drinking. So even though it made for an entertaining headline, it made for an entertaining story in the book. It went way beyond that. Yeah, it was like this, these are the things that I'm mortified about that I would do when I would drink. Sorry, so it's okay, I love you.

00:44:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a dark time, you know, it was a dark time, and you know, life's not always what it's supposed to be, you know, you know, I mean people don't know all the details, but you you know, you struggle with addiction and then your father passed away and then you know dark. So I'm very proud of you at who you are today. And yeah, I mean, you know, I think when I think, for me, the best thing was just to support whatever you put out because it was your words, your voice, and I know I know behind what all that, why you were trying to share that stuff. You know. Unfortunately, people and headlines want things to you know, ay.

00:45:23
Speaker 1: One, what's interesting to click on? How many people can we get to read what I've just written? So I respect, I respect the hustle and the game, right, but it is important for me to tell you and everyone else that that wasn't just so that it would make a funny headline. This was a real life sickness that I'm still battling every day. It will never be cured, and it's important for me to be a sober human being. Because I pulled some stupid shit.

00:45:51
Speaker 3: There we go, Yeah, and you know what, that's that's life.

00:45:54
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, so I think you know, I didn't read the book, but I read things that Lallan wanted me to read, and that's.

00:46:03
Speaker 1: That's kind of where it was published. Because I wasn't anything. I like this next question.

00:46:09
Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall.

00:46:11
Speaker 6: My name is Lauren. I live in the New York area. I am a huge fan. You guys are killing it. I wanted to ask the question regarding relationships. I've been with my fiance now for ten years. We started dating freshman year of college and throughout the pandemic. One thing that we've really been working on is how to fight. All couples are going to fight that eventually, you know, you have to learn to fight the right way for you, for your partner, and how everybody communicates differently. So was wondering what you both would say your biggest tip for couples would be regarding communication and regarding what you've learned in terms of how what is the best way to fight like all couples do. So keep up the great world. So happy for you both for all the changes this year and wishing you all the best things.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: Who the second I like heard this boy smile, I was like, I don't even think I know the answer, But that's like such a great question.

00:47:17
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think that even you know, we've been together a long time now, I think, or not a long time, but we've been together a decent amount of time. I think it's communication is constantly evolving. It's like that you also, you always have to be kind of evolving. And when when when the communication is breaking down between you know, a couple, you have to kind of work on that. You have to say, Okay, what can I do to you know, be heard the right way? You know? And same with you. You know, you'll say to me, I need to be heard, and then I have to figure out, you know, you have to figure out a way to have that conversation with me, and vice versa. So I think that my my my only advice for people is you have to really have patience lots of patients and you have to you know, you have to be willing to put the work in, you know. And I think that I think the easy answer sometimes is you know, oh you know, it's just not working and fuck it, right, you know, right, that's what we do is human beings.

00:48:16
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing as well for couples is to not shove things under the rug because then a blow up happens, and there's so much that's you know, been pushed aside that you don't even know the root of the problem anymore. And I still think Randall and I are figuring out how to argue with each other and how to hear each other correctly, because we are both the type of people to the second that there's you know, we're feeling like the other one is attacking, the wall goes up and that person immediately becomes the opponent, right, And that's a difficult pattern to break. And I think because you and I are like any other couple in the world, where you hit walls sometimes, like relations, That's what I'm saying.

00:49:01
Speaker 2: And my parents have been.

00:49:01
Speaker 1: Together a lot of work. So the person you're with, you have to be willing to say, I'm going to fight through everything to make this work.

00:49:10
Speaker 2: Well, Like my parents have been together fifty years, and I take my hat off to both them and your parents were together for how many years? Twenty thirty, thirty?

00:49:19
Speaker 1: No, they were approaching their forty forty Yeah.

00:49:24
Speaker 2: Right, okay, when you're father best way, so a long time. So, and you know, one thing I take away from them always is you will hit walls in your relationship, whether you've been together one year, five years, ten years, forty years. But the thing is how you deal with it and how you try to communicate and change the communication. Like when you and I feel like we're not communicating, you know, or there are things, you know, bothering me or bothering you, we have to have that talk. And I think a lot of couples don't want to have that talk, and that talk isn't always comfortable.

00:49:56
Speaker 1: I would say that are the biggest thing that we've practiced. I would give this advice to anybody, is for you and your partner to come up with a safe word, because in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking and you're only feeling. So it's once you feel like, okay, I'm in this state of mind where I just want to attack or I don't want to hear what my partner is saying, you drop the safe word. You both allow yourselves to quiet timeout. It's the timeout.

00:50:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, we don't have it figured out and we're not experts, you know. But at the same time, I feel like at the end of the day, you just like I think that general consensus, because we're not experts on this topic by any means. I think you constantly have to evolve, and when you're hitting walls and things are not going the way you'd like them to go, because sometimes they're not going well for both of you, and sometimes they're not going well for one person. You know, sometimes one person struggling more than the other, et cetera. So I just think you got to you got to figure out a way to talk to each other and be heard and in a way in a way that your partner doesn't feel attacked.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: It's so much easier said than done. I mean, perspective is a real bitch, because it's like the one thing that I sit here and I'm like, God, if we all just see the world so differently.

00:51:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not listen, we we uh, you know, we we do the work and and and we're always doing the work. And some months it's super smooth sailing, some years super smooth sailing, and summer are more difficult. But at the end of the day, you just got to keep talking.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they've been together ten years, like their rider die for each other.

00:51:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, I think at the end of the day. You just gotta you gotta figure out a way to communicate.

00:51:43
Speaker 1: We love saying at the end of the day.

00:51:46
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I'm going to end. This post.

00:51:47
Speaker 1: Should be called the End of the Day podcast.

00:51:50
Speaker 2: That's my next podcast. That's the spin off of this podcast.

00:51:53
Speaker 1: I love it.

00:51:54
Speaker 2: End of the Day. Anyway, that was a really good question. I like that mquestion just because it's nice to see people who have been together a day kid, who you.

00:52:00
Speaker 1: Know, still are trying to figure it out, just like we all are.

00:52:03
Speaker 2: But my parents, my parents too, and I and I even remember having conversations with your dad. My parents, you know, are together now fifty years and yeah, they have days where they're just like, I go, how's how's my dad doing? Not talking? Well, it's been fifty fucking years. What are you talking about? He doesn't deserve it today I cut pasta and the pasta it's not all about the pasta. But but he didn't say it with al dente enough, And I'm like, is this for real? These guys were fifty fucking years together, but that's you know, that's the same ship. And I remember talking. I used to go to your dad for advice about you, and it's like, oh, these two women, you know, you know, Lisa and you. He's like, sometimes you just got just let it, just let it, let it go, just let him roll. And I was like, that's your advice.

00:52:45
Speaker 5: Ken.

00:52:45
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's like okay, and by.

00:52:47
Speaker 1: The way, me and my mom to just tire ourselves out.

00:52:51
Speaker 2: But that's but that's what he was. That's what Ken used to try to tell me. But it was so new, it was like three months in and I'd be like, Kent, that's not the fucking advice I was looking for. It's like you'll learn, you'll learn, you have Yeah, No, I just quit. I just quit the fight. I just just like, Okay, you win. It's it's too exhausting.

00:53:07
Speaker 1: I take it. Anyway, those were epic voicemails. I'm happy about it. Remember you guys can call in, leave us a voicemail. We'll answer your questions. Just dial one eight six six Laala Pod. This was fun.

00:53:20
Speaker 2: This was fun. Well, thank Mike Burns for being on here, and of course I thank you Lala Kent for being a great co.

00:53:26
Speaker 1: Host, and I thank you for being the with Randall to my give them Laala Thank you guys.

00:53:31
Speaker 2: For listening to fucking Ego fucking mania cool.

00:53:36
Speaker 1: I love you and I love you guys as well. Thank you for tuning into another episode of Give Them Lala with Randall and we will catch you next week.

00:53:43
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Lala, I love you so much. This is so exciting that I can call and leave a comment and you can hear it. Maybe you'll share it. Anyways, I'm just really happy for you and Randall for your new baby, Ocean. She's gorgeous. You're doing great as a new mommy, and can't wait to see you on the show here soon. Hope all is well, and keep doing what you're doing. You're killing it girl.

00:54:06
Speaker 1: Love you, Lola. Thank you so much, My loves. To everyone who has already called in to leave us messages, please keep them coming because we love hearing from you. Call us anytime at eight sixty six La La Pod. That is eight sixty six La La Pod. I mother effing love you.