The Charm of Cottage Gardens and How to Create Your Own

<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio a at proven winners Color Joy Shrubs.
<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
<v Speaker 1>Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Yay, Today, Stacy,
<v Speaker 1>we get to talk about cottage gardens. The roots are
<v Speaker 1>in self sufficiency. The phrase cottage gardens originates from the small,
<v Speaker 1>maybe functional, and certainly densely planted plots surrounding the modest
<v Speaker 1>rural cottages of working class laborers in England, with roots
<v Speaker 1>well that reach back into the fifteenth century. I know
<v Speaker 1>you love cottage gardens, so do I.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know the thing is, I love wild planting.
<v Speaker 2>I love things to run together, I love things to
<v Speaker 2>mix together. I like my plants to touch and then
<v Speaker 2>some overlap. So yeah, this is my style of gardening. Now,
<v Speaker 2>I will say cottage gardening does tend to favor sort
<v Speaker 2>of more let's say traditional color palace. Yes, and I
<v Speaker 2>generally don't. But it's about the vibe. It's about the
<v Speaker 2>vibe of a cottage garden. You don't actually need to
<v Speaker 2>use English plants. You can have a cottage gardening style
<v Speaker 2>with North American natives. You could have a cottage garden
<v Speaker 2>with vegetables. There's many, many different ways to interpret this exuberant,
<v Speaker 2>flower filled approach to gardening.
<v Speaker 1>Well said, and you are right, many different ways to
<v Speaker 1>interpret it. That's why today we're doing a show on
<v Speaker 1>cottage gardens. A simple way to express it is different
<v Speaker 1>flower colors and textures impact informal design. A plethora of plants.
<v Speaker 1>Plethora is going.
<v Speaker 3>To be our word of the I love it.
<v Speaker 2>A plethora of plants is what every garden needs.
<v Speaker 1>That's right. And if I was starting one, I would
<v Speaker 1>have to say, for me personally, especially today with the
<v Speaker 1>incredible cultivars that are available, Stacy, I would start with roses.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you gotta have roses for a cottage garden. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's not just that roses are so closely associated with
<v Speaker 2>England and English gardening, but you know they are just
<v Speaker 2>a classic choice. They are I think probably the number
<v Speaker 2>one plant that's associated with a cottage garden.
<v Speaker 1>You bet this is right in our wheelhouse. Then no
<v Speaker 1>tapping of the brakes here in unimaginably large number of
<v Speaker 1>plants we've stuffed stuffed into well, maybe what you would
<v Speaker 1>consider a small property. And if you want some visual
<v Speaker 1>inspiration Pinterest will give you again word of the day,
<v Speaker 1>a plethora of candy for your eyes. I always think
<v Speaker 1>when I hear cottage gardens, I always think of those
<v Speaker 1>Better Homes and Gardens magazines from the nineteen seventies.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yep, I remember those.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of inspiration there. Now. The interesting thing about
<v Speaker 1>cottage gardens, and if you have followed the Gardening Simplified Show,
<v Speaker 1>you know that Stacy loves these kind of plants. Stacy
<v Speaker 1>self sewing or seeding plants are embraced.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, you got my number. Self sewing and seating
<v Speaker 2>plants are such a crucial part of a cottage garden,
<v Speaker 2>and they're also the easiest part to have in a
<v Speaker 2>cottage garden. So you've heard me talk about it before.
<v Speaker 2>Self sewing plants are those that are true annuals. Generally,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're perennials that just sow and pop up here
<v Speaker 2>and there. So you've got things like poppies and arugula
<v Speaker 2>and you know, all sorts of wonderful plants like that.
<v Speaker 2>And what they do and the way that I use
<v Speaker 2>them in my garden is they introduce a randomness that
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just cannot replicate by placing plants deliberately
<v Speaker 2>in you know, in a garden, and I love the
<v Speaker 2>way that they just kind of introduce that happenstance and
<v Speaker 2>create interesting new combinations and just make sure that your
<v Speaker 2>garden is always so different your deer. I like that
<v Speaker 2>they don't stay put. I get that other people will
<v Speaker 2>see them as weedy or their unpredictability as a liability.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you love this look self, sewers
<v Speaker 2>are really your very best friend.
<v Speaker 1>You bet, I agree. So it's interesting to look at
<v Speaker 1>that concept of cottage gardens. If you have, for example,
<v Speaker 1>favorite plants in drifts, that's more of what I would
<v Speaker 1>call a meadow garden. A cottage garden is going to
<v Speaker 1>be just a wide variety of individual plants with your taste,
<v Speaker 1>or maybe groupings of three. I think of things like
<v Speaker 1>Shasta daisies. And of course, as I mentioned the roses,
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, as it relates to cottage gardens, that
<v Speaker 1>the reminiscent roses are ideal for this or the rise
<v Speaker 1>up rosen.
<v Speaker 3>You know it.
<v Speaker 2>Those are the two that I am spoiler alert going
<v Speaker 2>to recommend in plants on trial. But don't worry, there's
<v Speaker 2>plenty of more plants on se grits to plants on
<v Speaker 2>trial that you have yet to hear.
<v Speaker 1>Now in today in America, the term cottage garden has
<v Speaker 1>been kind of a catch all term to describe a
<v Speaker 1>garden that's bursting at the seams and does not otherwise
<v Speaker 1>conform to, let's say, a recognizable style. Individualistic. I would
<v Speaker 1>call it not necessarily out of control, but individualistic.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely not something that can be replicated on other sites.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's interesting when you were talking about
<v Speaker 2>how plants are often grouped and that it's typically a
<v Speaker 2>lot of individual plants. Another thing that I do think
<v Speaker 2>is characteristic of a cottage garden are plants that are
<v Speaker 2>easy to grow and divide so that they end up
<v Speaker 2>kind of spreading around the garden as kind of a
<v Speaker 2>unifying element, or plants that you're trading off with friends
<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. So it's not like, oh, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, all of my Shasta daisy's are just relegated
<v Speaker 2>here to this section. But it's like I bought a
<v Speaker 2>Shasta daisy. Over the years, it's gotten huge, I've now
<v Speaker 2>divided it and now it's here and here and here
<v Speaker 2>here exact and kind of makes that appearance of randomness,
<v Speaker 2>but unity as well, because you have the same plant
<v Speaker 2>used multiple times throughout the garden, but not like you know,
<v Speaker 2>with a real eye towards composition, more with an eye
<v Speaker 2>towards just the joy of flowers and plants.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly well said, And of course in a cottage garden,
<v Speaker 1>I believe that we have to look at the concept,
<v Speaker 1>especially considering the fact that we're packing them in. We've
<v Speaker 1>got to look at the concept of tall, medium, and
<v Speaker 1>short all within a cottage garden. And Stacey, you know
<v Speaker 1>how much I love grasses, and it's in a situation
<v Speaker 1>like this where I would look at using a calamagrosis
<v Speaker 1>a carl Forrester type of grass because of the height
<v Speaker 1>that it gives without taking up too much space.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you've really hit on an important point
<v Speaker 2>as well as the texture that grasses provide. We've talked
<v Speaker 2>a lot about how cottage gardens have flowers as a
<v Speaker 2>central element, but texture is equally important, so you should
<v Speaker 2>definitely not exclude things like grasses. And I think grasses
<v Speaker 2>can play all sorts of different roles. Sometimes, of course,
<v Speaker 2>they can look really contemporary. So if you're looking for
<v Speaker 2>more of an old fashioned. Look, you might want to
<v Speaker 2>choose that more carefully, but I would agree that grasses
<v Speaker 2>are a very crucial part and that you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>very I have found this myself. It's surprisingly easy to
<v Speaker 2>wind up with a garden of plants that are all
<v Speaker 2>roughly the same size.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's kind of funny to say that. You
<v Speaker 2>don't set out, but you know, you're just like, I
<v Speaker 2>like this plant, I like this planet, like this plant,
<v Speaker 2>and you plant them all up and you're like, wait
<v Speaker 2>a minute, my garden is like exactly five feet tall,
<v Speaker 2>and there's nothing at the you know, at the bases,
<v Speaker 2>the shoes and socks, and there's nothing up above. And
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, the really, when you look at cottage gardens,
<v Speaker 2>it's really key to have all of those different sizes
<v Speaker 2>to create those layers. And we've talked about layered gardening
<v Speaker 2>before as well.
<v Speaker 1>You bet the lawn, of course, is not going to
<v Speaker 1>be important in a cottage garden. You're not going to
<v Speaker 1>have time for a lawn. You're going to be busy
<v Speaker 1>with other things. And so I want to share with
<v Speaker 1>you a never admit there's no more room for plants, Limerick.
<v Speaker 1>I like this, Yes, you know, I think back to
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, the sixties and seventies when the jello people
<v Speaker 1>talked about there's always room for more jelly. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>I kind of incorporate that into this week's limerick. No
<v Speaker 1>more lawn in my yarden. Don't like it. I beg
<v Speaker 1>your pardon. Keep planting. No stoppage here at my little cottage.
<v Speaker 1>There's always more room in my garden. The garden of
<v Speaker 1>my dreams is one that goes to extremes. It's individualistic.
<v Speaker 1>I find it quite holistic. It's bursting at the seams.
<v Speaker 1>I'm an easy going kind of fellow, not rigid, just
<v Speaker 1>kind of mellow. Gardens of bloom, always more room for
<v Speaker 1>plants and a bowl full of jello.
<v Speaker 3>You really were inspired.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, if you look at guides online to create
<v Speaker 1>a cottage garden, in many cases they would recommend a
<v Speaker 1>curved path. This is where I go off the path
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I personally believe a straight path provides
<v Speaker 1>good contrast to the wildness of a cottage garden. So
<v Speaker 1>for me, I like bricks, like maybe recycled bricks in
<v Speaker 1>a pathway straight up to the front door, and then
<v Speaker 1>paint that front door some kind of really funky color,
<v Speaker 1>a bright color.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I agree when you have that exuberance
<v Speaker 2>and that you know, just kind of I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to say hodgepodge because that sounds like a bad thing,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, unrestrained kind of composition, those vertical, those
<v Speaker 2>those strong lines become very very important. You can have
<v Speaker 2>a curved path through your garden, but I do agree
<v Speaker 2>that the kind of the main pathways serve as a
<v Speaker 2>counterpoint by staying straight and offering some organization counterpoint.
<v Speaker 1>Good word, Let's see what Stacy has in mind in
<v Speaker 1>Plants on Trial as we continue talking about cottage gardens
<v Speaker 1>on today's show, including plants you may want to try
<v Speaker 1>that's coming up next here in Plants on Trial and
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<v Speaker 2>and welcome back to The Gardening Simplified Show. Where despite
<v Speaker 2>the snow literally at our doorstep here in Studio A,
<v Speaker 2>we're dreaming of a flower filled cottage garden in the summer.
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, I think that a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>love the idea of cottage gardens, but they're very intimidated
<v Speaker 2>about trying to start on. Yes, now, I do want
<v Speaker 2>to say, first of all, I don't think that, for
<v Speaker 2>the most part, cottage gardens are as much work as
<v Speaker 2>people think that they will be. You know, I have
<v Speaker 2>a lot of perennials in my garden, and really the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that I do to maintain them is, you know,
<v Speaker 2>cut everything back in spring. I mean, I don't really
<v Speaker 2>do a whole lot otherwise, I don't grow stuff that
<v Speaker 2>needs to be staked. And nowadays, you know, staking is
<v Speaker 2>like that's stuff from thirty years ago. Now there's so
<v Speaker 2>many things that don't need to be staked, So you
<v Speaker 2>don't need to worry about that. You know. Sure, every
<v Speaker 2>couple of years you've got to divide some stuff and
<v Speaker 2>move some stuff around, and but that's you know, that's
<v Speaker 2>part of the fun. Is that's part of how your
<v Speaker 2>garden changes over time. So I don't think that they
<v Speaker 2>are necessarily as much work as people presume that they are.
<v Speaker 2>And we've had these kind of conversations before, how modern
<v Speaker 2>plant breeding has really taken away a lot of the
<v Speaker 2>work that people assume gardening requires. You know, plants are
<v Speaker 2>more disease resistant, plants are sturdier and don't usually need
<v Speaker 2>staking they're more reliable, they bloom longer. So it's time
<v Speaker 2>that we all kind of rethink, you know, how much
<v Speaker 2>work it actually takes, because we might be harboring some
<v Speaker 2>very antiquated notions of garden maintenance. It just simply don't
<v Speaker 2>necessarily apply today.
<v Speaker 1>And the beauty Stacey is if you change your mind,
<v Speaker 1>you can move things around. That's part of the fun
<v Speaker 1>of a cottage garden, and you touched on it in
<v Speaker 1>the first segment. Texture is so important, varying types of texture.
<v Speaker 1>So if you step back and you're not quite happy,
<v Speaker 1>you can move things around.
<v Speaker 2>That's the beauty definitely. Now, if you find yourself a
<v Speaker 2>little bit intimidated by the thought of trying to create
<v Speaker 2>a cottage garden of your own, don't be. I have
<v Speaker 2>a simple solution for you, and that is much like
<v Speaker 2>Rick was saying, you know, go to Pinterest or do
<v Speaker 2>an image search on your favorite search engine for cottage
<v Speaker 2>gardening cottage gardens, and you can put in cottage gardens England.
<v Speaker 2>If you really want to see those kind of archetypes,
<v Speaker 2>of course, you'll find results from all over. And don't
<v Speaker 2>just look at those photos and go, oh, that's pretty,
<v Speaker 2>you know, take the time to actually read what you're
<v Speaker 2>seeing in those images and think about what they show.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>One thing that you can do is to kind of
<v Speaker 2>sketch take a you know, print it out and take
<v Speaker 2>a piece of sea through paper and kind of sketch
<v Speaker 2>it out, and you'll start to see the elements. You'll
<v Speaker 2>start to actually think about the elements then, rather than
<v Speaker 2>just seeing it as like a whole bunch of plants.
<v Speaker 2>And when you do that, I think you really start
<v Speaker 2>to understand that the things that are making that particular
<v Speaker 2>garden successful for you you are easy to replicate. You
<v Speaker 2>just kind of need to break it down into elements
<v Speaker 2>that you can digest and translate into your own garden.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like a bubble drum, yeah, like a bubble drum.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>But I do agree with you Rick that the key
<v Speaker 2>to a successful cottage garden is height. And as we said,
<v Speaker 2>it is surprisingly easy to accidentally end up with a garden.
<v Speaker 2>It's almost all the same height. I don't This is
<v Speaker 2>a very strange phenomenon, but it is surprisingly easy. And
<v Speaker 2>when you're looking through these images, what you are going
<v Speaker 2>to find is that the cottage, the best cottage gardens,
<v Speaker 2>the most effective cottage gardens have some element of height.
<v Speaker 2>Now that doesn't necessarily mean tall plants. It often does,
<v Speaker 2>but it can also mean things like a rose trained
<v Speaker 2>onto your house. It can mean a vine trained on
<v Speaker 2>to say, a porch post, or a trellis or obelisk
<v Speaker 2>out in your garden, or a topiary, large shrubs, tall perennials.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of different ways to accomplish this, but
<v Speaker 2>there does need to be an element of height so
<v Speaker 2>that you're getting that sort of just you know, curtain
<v Speaker 2>of flowers effect.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that, Stacey, because I want a
<v Speaker 1>trellis or an arbor in my cottage garden.
<v Speaker 3>You already have one, I know, but.
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that's what I want in a cottage garden.
<v Speaker 3>And what are you going to plant on it?
<v Speaker 1>Roses and hyacinth being vine okay, yeah, love it, and
<v Speaker 1>probably a clematis.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I love it.
<v Speaker 2>Such great choices, you know what you're talking about with
<v Speaker 2>this cottage garden stuff. But of course, so instead of
<v Speaker 2>our regular plants on trial, where I just tell you
<v Speaker 2>about one of the three hundred and fifty plus proven
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<v Speaker 2>couple of topics that we have in our line that
<v Speaker 2>are perfect for a cottage garden look. So, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I also want to remind our listeners as we have
<v Speaker 2>this conversation that a cottage garden is a journey and
<v Speaker 2>not a destination. You know, yes, you can absolutely spend
<v Speaker 2>this spring digging things up and going to the garden
<v Speaker 2>center and spending tons of money and coming home and
<v Speaker 2>planting a cottage garden, but it's always going to be
<v Speaker 2>a work in progress. You're going to find gardening friends,
<v Speaker 2>you're going to trade plants. But these are the kinds
<v Speaker 2>of elements that you're gonna want to consider, especially for height,
<v Speaker 2>because those are either going to be more permanent in
<v Speaker 2>the form of a you know, large shrub or a
<v Speaker 2>small tree, or you know, maybe a little bit more
<v Speaker 2>expensive if you're investing in a pergola or obelisk or
<v Speaker 2>trellis or something along those lines. So, of course, as
<v Speaker 2>you've already said, my first choice is roses. If there's
<v Speaker 2>one plant that people associate with cottage gardens, it is
<v Speaker 2>absolutely roses.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the funny thing is that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>talking about the history of cottage gardens and how far
<v Speaker 2>back in time that they go, and now we have
<v Speaker 2>this idea of them just being this like flower festival.
<v Speaker 2>You know, the roses that people were growing for the
<v Speaker 2>majority of history were you know, I mean forgive the expression,
<v Speaker 2>but they were absolute dogs. They did not do anything.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they they flowered beautifully for like a week
<v Speaker 2>in June, and the rest of the time the foliage
<v Speaker 2>was all curled up and diseased, and you know, the
<v Speaker 2>plant wasn't flowering and it got black spot and like
<v Speaker 2>that's not romantic.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, like that kind of.
<v Speaker 2>Is one of those things like, yeah, if you happen
<v Speaker 2>to catch it on the exact day, you're going to
<v Speaker 2>be amazed, But outside of it, you're going to be like,
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? But today's roses again, because there
<v Speaker 2>has been this shift and this concerted effort into breeding
<v Speaker 2>roses that are high performance, that bloom all summer without
<v Speaker 2>dead heading, that resist diseases. You can really use roses
<v Speaker 2>to take your cottage garden well over the top of
<v Speaker 2>anything that has been done in the past, so great
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<v Speaker 2>Choice roses, we have a lot of different roses. My
<v Speaker 2>top picks are going to be the Rise Up series,
<v Speaker 2>which is our series of climbing roses. There are I
<v Speaker 2>think four or five varieties in that series right now.
<v Speaker 2>All have long, flexible stems so you can frame them
<v Speaker 2>up your walls, up a pergola however you want to
<v Speaker 2>do that. Rise Up Lilac Days is just so magical.
<v Speaker 2>It has everything you would want in a cottage garden,
<v Speaker 2>unique color, amazing fragrance, big huge flowers with lots and
<v Speaker 2>lots of petals. So all of the rise ups are great,
<v Speaker 2>but Rise Up Liloc Days is definitely a must have
<v Speaker 2>for me. And then, of course, as you mentioned, the
<v Speaker 2>Reminiscent series, and the Reminiscent Series is a series of
<v Speaker 2>roses that come to us from Serbia that are really
<v Speaker 2>those big, full, old fashioned fragrant roses, but modern day performance,
<v Speaker 2>so they're blooming all summer without dead heading, no disease.
<v Speaker 2>So again it's kind of rethinking how much work a
<v Speaker 2>cottage garden actually is absolutely my second choice. Climatis another
<v Speaker 2>great choice. I mean, Clematists do so beautifully in England.
<v Speaker 2>England has the perfect gardening climate for so many reasons.
<v Speaker 2>It's never too hot, it's never too cold, they have
<v Speaker 2>reliable rainfall. I mean, it's like a dream place.
<v Speaker 1>To go Goldilocks plant.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that we have listeners in the UK right
<v Speaker 2>now who are like, yeah, right, let me tell you
<v Speaker 2>about some of the garden and nightmares that I have.
<v Speaker 2>But it seems like that to us over here. And
<v Speaker 2>Clementists do so well. A lot of people think of
<v Speaker 2>them as perennials, but many are woody plants, and the
<v Speaker 2>ones that we have in proven Winter's Colored Choice are
<v Speaker 2>of course woody plants so versatile. If you have an
<v Speaker 2>ugly fence that you have to include in your cottage garden,
<v Speaker 2>they are a great way to camouflage that you can
<v Speaker 2>also again add a trellis or whatever you'd like. My
<v Speaker 2>top picks in our Clemenis are going to be a
<v Speaker 2>sweet summer love Clematis because it's a perfect scale, you know,
<v Speaker 2>having those small flowers all over the place, and they're
<v Speaker 2>so fragrant in the summer, so that is a great choice.
<v Speaker 2>My other choice is pink mink clematis. This is a
<v Speaker 2>very large, vigorous clematist that is perfect for covering fences
<v Speaker 2>or other large structures. And I pick pink mink not
<v Speaker 2>just because the color is such a classic card cottage
<v Speaker 2>garden color, but because the flowers are almost bell like
<v Speaker 2>and they come out on these little stems from the
<v Speaker 2>wall of vines that I think is just the perfect
<v Speaker 2>cottage garden look. I had a long list, but we're
<v Speaker 2>running out of time, so I'm going to leave you
<v Speaker 2>with the third and maybe we can talk about a
<v Speaker 2>couple of the other ones in segment before, because I
<v Speaker 2>do have something important to say that I'll have to save.
<v Speaker 2>But my number three choice butterfly bush.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So part of the reasons that I'm picking butterfly bush
<v Speaker 2>is because they have that delightful spiky texture and that
<v Speaker 2>is just going to introduce such a unique look into
<v Speaker 2>a cottage garden that can't really be replicated with a
<v Speaker 2>lot of other plants, you know, with those spiky flowers
<v Speaker 2>coming out all over. My choice for butterfly bush is
<v Speaker 2>going to be the miss series A couple of reasons
<v Speaker 2>for that perfect height, So four to five feet tall
<v Speaker 2>and wide, so you're getting that nice height element. The
<v Speaker 2>colors are amazing, the best colors you're going to find
<v Speaker 2>in a butterfly bush.
<v Speaker 3>They're fragrant, they blew.
<v Speaker 2>All summer without any kind of dead heading or trimming,
<v Speaker 2>and they are non invasive. They don't set seeds, so
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about them spreading if you
<v Speaker 2>live in an area where butterfly bush can get weedy.
<v Speaker 1>Great choice, stacy, and half the fun in doing a
<v Speaker 1>cottage garden is attracting pollinators. Well you're doing that absolutely,
<v Speaker 1>butterfly bush. And yes, in segment four, let's go down
<v Speaker 1>the list of plants.
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<v Speaker 2>with everybody because we really liked this one. She says,
<v Speaker 2>thank you for another fun show. I made my now
<v Speaker 2>husband a terrarium for Christmas because we were talking about
<v Speaker 2>terrariums last week. I made my now husband a terrarium
<v Speaker 2>for Christmas when we were simply friends, and he said
<v Speaker 2>it was the most unique, impressive and creative gift he'd
<v Speaker 2>ever gotten from anyone.
<v Speaker 3>So you hear that.
<v Speaker 2>Forget that merry meat chicken recipe that's on the internet.
<v Speaker 2>You just make the person you're after a terrarium and
<v Speaker 2>your wishes will come true. That's great, she says. We
<v Speaker 2>started coorting shortly thereafter. See, I told you, and now
<v Speaker 2>we've been married for ten years, I'm going to say
<v Speaker 2>that terrarium helped me stand out from the crowd. The
<v Speaker 2>funny part is that after we married and we were
<v Speaker 2>moving all of his things into our new house, I
<v Speaker 2>found the terrarium in his room, mostly but not all dead.
<v Speaker 2>I was mortified and joked that it had better not
<v Speaker 2>be a bad omen. And it hasn't been so far.
<v Speaker 1>What a great story.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Now that we're about to have Valentine's Day,
<v Speaker 2>which you know, I know is a polarizing holiday, but
<v Speaker 2>it is a plant holiday. It's a holiday that's closely
<v Speaker 2>associated with all sorts of plants, and it's a great
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to get yourself or someone you love a fabulous
<v Speaker 2>new plant, or if you really want to go over
<v Speaker 2>the top, like our YouTube viewer did, make them a terrarium.
<v Speaker 2>So you got time to do it. So start thinking
<v Speaker 2>about that right now. Look around your house for some
<v Speaker 2>interesting vessels that you can use or go thrifting, and
<v Speaker 2>maybe you'll find one of those fabulous like giant seventies
<v Speaker 2>terrarium bottles. There's so many opportunities.
<v Speaker 1>Wait till you hear my slant on this next week.
<v Speaker 3>Oh I can't wait.
<v Speaker 2>But I'll bet it's going to be based on many
<v Speaker 2>years in the gardens industry.
<v Speaker 3>All right, what else we got in the bailbank?
<v Speaker 1>Meredith asks, thank you for your sage wisdom. I live
<v Speaker 1>in Zone five Eastern Ontario clay loam soil with a
<v Speaker 1>sizable creek in my front yard. Each spring the creek
<v Speaker 1>gets high run off. There's minor erosion each year. I
<v Speaker 1>want to keep any erosion minimized through planting. I've heard
<v Speaker 1>certain trees take up too much water, which makes me
<v Speaker 1>reluctant to plant them, and my climate can be at
<v Speaker 1>risk of summer drought. How much do trees affect moisture
<v Speaker 1>retention in the soil?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so complicated question, but a very good one. So
<v Speaker 2>I would say yes, trees substantially impact moisture in the soil,
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes that can be a good thing, like in
<v Speaker 2>the case of say a flood zone, something like a
<v Speaker 2>river birch or a willow. Can you know they're capable
<v Speaker 2>of absorbing so much water that they can help minimize
<v Speaker 2>you know, bogginess or low spots in your not low spots,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, moisture excess water in your yard. But
<v Speaker 2>that's not something you might want around a creek because
<v Speaker 2>it could you know, take water from the creek. And yes,
<v Speaker 2>trees are not just very high users of water, but
<v Speaker 2>they are very effective competitors because of course they have
<v Speaker 2>a massive root system compared to most anything else. So
<v Speaker 2>it is something that you need to be aware of.
<v Speaker 2>But I would also say that trees you can't just
<v Speaker 2>kind of generalize about their seeking of water. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>some trees are notorious silver maples for example, just notorious
<v Speaker 2>for going into sewers because they seek water. Well, there's
<v Speaker 2>plenty of other plants that just don't do that. They
<v Speaker 2>just don't have that you know, natural desire or whatever
<v Speaker 2>to actually go out aggressively to seek water.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think I would steer away from trees.
<v Speaker 1>But on the erosion issue, go with something that's more herbaceous.
<v Speaker 1>Look at grasses, that sort of thing, you know, grasses again,
<v Speaker 1>ornamental grasses. They can survive quite well switch grass in
<v Speaker 1>both wet and drought conditions, and so it's going to
<v Speaker 1>be able to handle that variable condition of the soil.
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, trees draw a ton of water
<v Speaker 1>out of the soil. I have a neighbor who had
<v Speaker 1>a large a couple of large shade trees in her
<v Speaker 1>front yard was unable to grow grass and was bemoaning
<v Speaker 1>the shade of those trees. I'm like, no, it's the roots.
<v Speaker 1>And I shared an article you can look it up
<v Speaker 1>on the internet about how many gallons of water are
<v Speaker 1>pulled out of the ground on a daily basis by
<v Speaker 1>a seventy five foot tree. It's staggering.
<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, definitely.
<v Speaker 2>Now they give it back, of course in the form
<v Speaker 2>of transpiration, but yes, they will. Now I agree with
<v Speaker 2>you one hundred percent, Rick, If you are trying to
<v Speaker 2>minimize erosion, especially erosion from water, yes, that is like
<v Speaker 2>a creek or something like that. Trees are effective at
<v Speaker 2>stopping erosion for water that goes over the surface, but
<v Speaker 2>they are not very effective at stopping erosion on any
<v Speaker 2>kind of banks, embankments, anything like that that are kind
<v Speaker 2>of going on either side of the creek because their
<v Speaker 2>roots are you know, big and thick and not very stable.
<v Speaker 2>They're they're stabilizing for the tree, but you know, they
<v Speaker 2>can easily allow water to get in and around them,
<v Speaker 2>and they make you know, kind of like what you've
<v Speaker 2>seen in the mangroves. But they're not mangroves. But yes, grasses,
<v Speaker 2>herbaceous plants, anything with a long, deep, fibrous root system
<v Speaker 2>is the best choice for kind of stabilizing that bank.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, grasses are an excellent choice at Daylilies even
<v Speaker 2>are a great choice. And I would just say to
<v Speaker 2>Meredith or to anyone else out there. You know, Meredith
<v Speaker 2>is in Canada, but here in the US, very often
<v Speaker 2>natural resources departments of the various states or that whatever
<v Speaker 2>it's called in your state, will often offer plants at
<v Speaker 2>a very low cost to homewners trying to prevent erosion.
<v Speaker 2>So before you go out there and spend a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of money at the garden center, especially in spring, they
<v Speaker 2>tend to do these things. Do you call around, ask,
<v Speaker 2>look online and see if they have any kind of
<v Speaker 2>low cost or even free plans to offer you for
<v Speaker 2>just these kinds of situations.
<v Speaker 1>And I'll share some pictures for YouTube of erosion here
<v Speaker 1>on the Lake shore when that occurred in twenty twenty,
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, the trees didn't stand up to it
<v Speaker 1>too well. Stay see in some wild pictures of trees
<v Speaker 1>giving up as it relates to erosion. So that's kind
<v Speaker 1>of how I feel about it all right, Jillian writes
<v Speaker 1>to us, Hello, I love listening to your show, and
<v Speaker 1>while I'm out working in the garden or just dreaming
<v Speaker 1>and planning and winter, I'm with you, Jillian. I planted
<v Speaker 1>this Elizabeth magnolia two years ago. It's settled quite a bit.
<v Speaker 1>With our recent snow melts, water is pooling around the
<v Speaker 1>base of the trunk. Is it likely to die if
<v Speaker 1>I don't dig it up and plant it a little higher.
<v Speaker 1>Any suggestions on how to address it without shocking the
<v Speaker 1>tree too badly?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is kind of a tough situation. Jillian did
<v Speaker 2>send pictures. I don't think it's it's certainly not the
<v Speaker 2>worst that I've ever seen, but you never really want
<v Speaker 2>to encourage water to sit around the base of any plant.
<v Speaker 2>Some plants are far more sensitive to it than others,
<v Speaker 2>but it's never really a good thing. I would also
<v Speaker 2>say a two year old magnolia probably not also a
<v Speaker 2>great idea to go ahead and dig that up. Magnolia
<v Speaker 2>roots are pretty sensitive, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend digging
<v Speaker 2>it up, although it depends on what size you started with.
<v Speaker 2>If you started with a small bear root one, you
<v Speaker 2>could consider lifting it there will be some root loss,
<v Speaker 2>but not that big of a deal. I would ask you, Jillian,
<v Speaker 2>is it possible, actually instead to kind of work the
<v Speaker 2>grade around the planting site so that instead of going
<v Speaker 2>towards the base of the tree, can you take away
<v Speaker 2>some soil or mulch or you know, whatever the situation is,
<v Speaker 2>and kind of use that to grade away from the
<v Speaker 2>tree instead. I mean, it's hard to say, because there's
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I would I would look at possibly
<v Speaker 2>doing that if you can do that in a way
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't significantly expose any roots that the plant has
<v Speaker 2>already created.
<v Speaker 1>Grade is important. But I think the key here is
<v Speaker 1>Jillian is saying snow melt. I'm thinking that this excessive
<v Speaker 1>moisture is temporary. If that's the case, I think the
<v Speaker 1>tree can stand up.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, magnolias are not certainly one of the most
<v Speaker 2>sensitive to moist soils, and as long as it's well
<v Speaker 2>drained and doesn't sit around for you know, weeks on end,
<v Speaker 2>which of course it will in winter because very often
<v Speaker 2>the ground is frozen and the water can't drain down.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if in like your summer rainstorms and
<v Speaker 2>so forth, if the water collects and then drains away.
<v Speaker 2>That's not really anything to be concerned about. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think that you do have a year to kind
<v Speaker 2>of spend watching it and evaluating whether you're going to
<v Speaker 2>do something, But you know, also look around at other
<v Speaker 2>things that you might be able to change, whether it's
<v Speaker 2>the direction of a downspout on your house you know
<v Speaker 2>where that's training to, or other factors and see if
<v Speaker 2>that gives you an opportunity to maybe do a less
<v Speaker 2>invasive remediation here for your plant. We're going to take
<v Speaker 2>a little break and when we come back, we are
<v Speaker 2>continuing our talk on cottage gardens, so please stay tuned.
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show as we dig
<v Speaker 1>in deeper on a fabulous topic, cottage gardens and Stacy
<v Speaker 1>I like to use birdscape components that have a regional
<v Speaker 1>flavor in a cottage garden, So wherever you live in
<v Speaker 1>the US, you don't have to live on Cape Cod
<v Speaker 1>or the Northeast. In the Northeast to have a cottage garden.
<v Speaker 1>You can have a cottage garden pretty much anywhere you want,
<v Speaker 1>but try and add a little bit of regional flavor,
<v Speaker 1>maybe a bird bath or a bench. We talked about
<v Speaker 1>structures like pergolas or arbors. Of course, I like iron
<v Speaker 1>in the landscape because of the rusting issue. As a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I was looking at some of the
<v Speaker 1>new pottery coming out this year and they have limestone
<v Speaker 1>and cement with rust color. I love that. I'll work
<v Speaker 1>that into my cottage garden. I have a neighbor who's
<v Speaker 1>very much into this, and he is constantly finding stuff
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook, Marketplace or Craig's List or whatever and giving
<v Speaker 1>it a try or giving it away. Of course I
<v Speaker 1>use driftwood because I'm near the beach. But whatever you do,
<v Speaker 1>the key element is plants, but a little bit of hardscape.
<v Speaker 1>And again I love recycled bricks as a pathway in
<v Speaker 1>a cottage garden. Okay, let's get to the plants. Old
<v Speaker 1>fashioned plants in New easy to care for cultivars. And
<v Speaker 1>you touched on that Stacey in Plants on trial. I
<v Speaker 1>look at old fashioned plant like lilacs, look at the
<v Speaker 1>cultivars we have today.
<v Speaker 2>To use, yeah, and look how disease resistant they are,
<v Speaker 2>because you know, as fabulous as an old lilac is,
<v Speaker 2>and they are wonderful, and you know, you can even
<v Speaker 2>forgive them for just having that sort of brief moment.
<v Speaker 2>The classic old lilacs, they are susceptible to powdery mildew,
<v Speaker 2>and in a densely planted situation like most cottage gardens,
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be even more susceptible to powdery mildews.
<v Speaker 2>So it really does even though you're kind of going
<v Speaker 2>for this charming old f should look, it really does
<v Speaker 2>make sense to do your research and make sure that
<v Speaker 2>you're selecting cultivars that are not going to have the
<v Speaker 2>problems that come with the old fashion glance.
<v Speaker 1>You had mentioned Butterfly Bush, but Rose of Sharon, something
<v Speaker 1>like Polly Petite Spyria, any of the double play cultivars
<v Speaker 1>for me, Stacy, because I love roses in a cottage
<v Speaker 1>garden so much, I'm going to say that Woudjila has
<v Speaker 1>to be part of it too. And I love Sonic Bloom.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I've just fallen in love with that plan.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Sonic Bloom would be a great choice
<v Speaker 2>for a cottage garden because it is a reblooming white gela.
<v Speaker 2>So you're going to get all of those flowers in
<v Speaker 2>late spring, just like you would a regular white gela.
<v Speaker 2>But then it's going to take a little break and
<v Speaker 2>come back and continue to flower. And again, having that
<v Speaker 2>constant supply of tons and tons of flowers is so
<v Speaker 2>key to the success of a cottage garden. To remember,
<v Speaker 2>when you look at those fabulous photos of a cottage
<v Speaker 2>garden and you think I want that, you're still only
<v Speaker 2>seeing one moment of time. So you know, for yourself,
<v Speaker 2>you really need to make sure that you're choosing plants
<v Speaker 2>that are going to give you maximum flowerings so that
<v Speaker 2>it looks good and cottagy the most.
<v Speaker 1>I agree with that one hundred percent, and I'm glad
<v Speaker 1>you brought that up, Stacy, because I was also going
<v Speaker 1>to say, make sure to look at all the seasons spring, summer,
<v Speaker 1>and fall. For example, it's classic in my mind to
<v Speaker 1>use tulips in a cottage garden, but of course you're
<v Speaker 1>just going to get temporary color. So if we fast
<v Speaker 1>forward to fall, plants like asters, or chrysanthemum or the
<v Speaker 1>fall blooming windflower anemones, all of those ideal to add.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, carry after us too, you.
<v Speaker 1>Bet Alium's tuscan sun Heliopsis would be a great choice.
<v Speaker 1>And a few weeks ago when we did the perennial show,
<v Speaker 1>Stacey Rudebecia the Treasured trove black eyed Susan's can you
<v Speaker 1>see that in a cottage?
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think that'd be perfect in a cottage guard.
<v Speaker 2>And if it could use some yellow, how.
<v Speaker 1>About smooth hydranges or hydranges? How do you feel about
<v Speaker 1>hydranges in a kindergric?
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna ask you the same thing, Aha,
<v Speaker 2>great minds like so, I do think that hydrangs are
<v Speaker 2>a great choice, and hydrangeas are the one choice that
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get to in Plants on Trial, So I'm
<v Speaker 2>glad you brought it up. And I think that all
<v Speaker 2>hydrangs very much work in a cottage garden, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>so then I was starting to think, well, if all
<v Speaker 2>hydranges work really well in a cottage garden to add
<v Speaker 2>height and color, pollinators and all of that, then how
<v Speaker 2>do you choose? And that's when I really realized and
<v Speaker 2>as much as I talk about hydrangs, you'd think that
<v Speaker 2>I kind of would have internalized this at some point.
<v Speaker 2>The cool thing about including hydrange is in a flower
<v Speaker 2>garden or a cottage garden is that you can pick
<v Speaker 2>based on which flower shape your garden needs. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you can have the big round globes of a hydrange
<v Speaker 2>of mac if what you need is more big round robustness.
<v Speaker 2>You can and have the spiky ice cream cones of
<v Speaker 2>oak leaf hydrangeas or panicle hydrangeas if what you need
<v Speaker 2>is more of that, you know, spikey kind of look
<v Speaker 2>going all over. You can also do smooth hydrangees if
<v Speaker 2>you want rounded flower heads, so you could do something
<v Speaker 2>like incredible but smooth hydrangeas and big leaf hydrangees, to
<v Speaker 2>a lesser extent also have a little bit more range
<v Speaker 2>of their flower shape, and something like invincibel lay smooth
<v Speaker 2>Hydrangea or Invincibelle sublime. Those flower heads are much more flat,
<v Speaker 2>so they're almost like these really cool kind of vertical lines,
<v Speaker 2>and they have a very different look in the landscape.
<v Speaker 2>So as you are building your cottage garden and watching
<v Speaker 2>all of these things come together, don't just think of hydrangels,
<v Speaker 2>saying like, oh, I love Hydrange's. I want to add,
<v Speaker 2>of course you can do that, and that's a great choice,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, also think about choosing a hydrangea based
<v Speaker 2>on which kind of you know, textural or spatial element
<v Speaker 2>its flowers really contribute, so you do get that.
<v Speaker 3>You know, wild varied. Look.
<v Speaker 2>You know, for me gardening with natives, my garden tends
<v Speaker 2>to favor a lot of asta asi, you know, regular
<v Speaker 2>plants in the daisy family, so you know, my Sylphium
<v Speaker 2>and Cooreopsis and a lot of those native astor asi,
<v Speaker 2>So I end up with a lot of the same
<v Speaker 2>kind of flower form. And really, again as you kind
<v Speaker 2>of digest those photos and separate out the elements, you're
<v Speaker 2>going to see success is a lot of variety in
<v Speaker 2>the flower shape, not just the flower color in time.
<v Speaker 1>I like that a lot. That's great advice. I was
<v Speaker 1>thinking smooth hydrangea like incredible storm proof something like that.
<v Speaker 1>But the reason I feel that way, Stacey, is because
<v Speaker 1>again I love the gardens on the East coast or
<v Speaker 1>you get in the Cape Cod area. So my cottage garden,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be really inclined to put a white
<v Speaker 1>picket fence in there. I can't help it. Maybe it's
<v Speaker 1>cliche or class I think a.
<v Speaker 2>White picket fence is one of the or any fence, really,
<v Speaker 2>any small fence is one of the easiest ways to
<v Speaker 2>help you digest planting your garden. You put in a
<v Speaker 2>fence there, You've got two sides, and now you can
<v Speaker 2>take two different approaches to either side of that fence.
<v Speaker 2>So it's really easy. It adds structure without being you know,
<v Speaker 2>really overt. So I say go for it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I like that. That's kind of a grass is
<v Speaker 1>greener on the other side of the fence analogy. I
<v Speaker 1>like that. I'm going to throw out a few quick
<v Speaker 1>plants that that has to be in my cottage garden
<v Speaker 1>Verbina benariensis. Maybe not the new cultivar meteor shower which
<v Speaker 1>doesn't create much seed, but maybe the old fashion that
<v Speaker 1>recedes itself, like crazy leucanthemum or shasta daisies like amazing daisies,
<v Speaker 1>banana cream. Love that plant. My cottage garden has to
<v Speaker 1>have lavender in it, sweet romance, although my choice would
<v Speaker 1>be phenomenal.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I agree completely.
<v Speaker 2>Lavender to me is second to roses, as they must
<v Speaker 2>have in a cottage garden. Maybe this again just goes
<v Speaker 2>back to the English garden type of thing. But roses
<v Speaker 2>and lavender, I would say, you know those are are
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to have them, And certainly I consider
<v Speaker 2>my garden cottagy and I don't have roses because I
<v Speaker 2>have deer, but I do have plenty of lavender.
<v Speaker 1>Annual salvia has got to be in mine. Rock and fusia,
<v Speaker 1>blue suede shoes, hanging baskets with super beenas, maybe some
<v Speaker 1>Superbinas and Biden's and some bubblegums, supertunias to give you
<v Speaker 1>that great pink color. Menarda. I love Manarda in a
<v Speaker 1>cottage garden and the pardon My series of proven winners Manarda.
<v Speaker 1>I've used that in my landscape years ago. When I
<v Speaker 1>started landscaping, I gave up on Manardas because the powdery
<v Speaker 1>mildew and they just were awful. The new cultivars incredible,
<v Speaker 1>and so I think that they're a great choice for
<v Speaker 1>your cottage.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Pardon My Series is such a beautiful color. And
<v Speaker 2>you know that's one of the best parts about cottage
<v Speaker 2>gardening is that you're just free to experiment with the colors.
<v Speaker 2>And if you put in something you love and you find, hey,
<v Speaker 2>that's just sticking out like a sore thumb.
<v Speaker 3>I don't like it.
<v Speaker 2>As you said, you can always move it. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>as we're kind of wrapping up here, I did want
<v Speaker 2>to say another really important thing about cottage gardening. You
<v Speaker 2>said you don't have to live on the East Coast.
<v Speaker 2>You also don't have to have a cottage. You can
<v Speaker 2>do it in any house that you want.
<v Speaker 1>Very true. Good point, and to put an exclamation point
<v Speaker 1>on that. Make sure to include some edibles because herbs
<v Speaker 1>are going to be super important too. Creeping time, that
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. I could talk about cottage gardens for hours.
<v Speaker 1>I could too, Stacy, you can't go. All the plants
<v Speaker 1>are gonna die, but we gotta go.
<v Speaker 3>We gotta go.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for watching on YouTube or listening to
<v Speaker 1>our podcast or radio show version. Thank you, Stacey, thank
<v Speaker 1>you Rick, thank you Adriana, and thank you for supporting
<v Speaker 1>the Gardening Simplified Show. Have a great week.