Bridget Everett

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Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with Bridget Everett. I'm just playing long weusy, I'm just playing in lone uzy.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nora Jones.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, and with me as always is my friend Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 4: Yes, hi, hi h this episode today was so fun.

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Speaker 5: We have the incredible comedian, actor, singer, writer Bridget Everett.

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Speaker 3: Yay.

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Speaker 5: I want to say upfront that she has a tour coming up twenty twenty six. The dates start in March for her tour called Big Titties, Big Dreams.

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Speaker 4: So I'm fun titled.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how could you miss that? It's so fun. Her show is amazing.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing and after you hear this episode, you're gonna want to get your ticket.

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Speaker 4: So look it up and.

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Speaker 5: Make sure there's a show near you. Find a ticket and check it out.

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Speaker 3: I almost thought you were gonna say, find a titty.

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Speaker 4: Find a titty, no fight a ticket.

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Speaker 5: She started with karaoke, but now she's known for creating and starring in Somebody Somewhere as well as her work on stage, film, TV, comedy, music, blending everything storytelling. She's a fearless performer who does an incredible job of balancing humor and heart, and she's also making cabaret cool.

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Speaker 1: Well her show Somebody Somewhere, that was my first introduction to her, and the thing that struck me from the show and also in her act on stage and also in person in this episode is that balance of humor and heart.

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Speaker 3: She's just got such a big heart. You can just tell.

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Speaker 6: Yah.

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Speaker 1: There's just something so sweet and awesome about her.

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Speaker 7: Her heart.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why, vulnerable and she is so but she's so funny, so funny, She's so funny.

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Speaker 3: And thanks for a great combo, I know, I mean, she's amazing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: In this episode, you're gonna hear a little bit about her songwriting process, about living in New York. You're gonna hear about her family, especially her strong mom.

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Speaker 4: And as always, there's lots of songs.

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Speaker 5: This one has ones that are both empowering and totally hilarious.

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Speaker 1: This was really fun. I was so glad she could do this and we got to hang out. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Check it out here. It is Bridget Everett.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so happy to have you here.

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Speaker 7: I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm a really big fan.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean I discovered you through the show Somebody's Good and then my girlfriend Sasha Dobson loves your your live show, and she turned me onto it. So I had no idea of all the sides of you. So it's, you know, just it's all one.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, but it's this sort of like when you think about it, like when I look at it on paper, I'm like that, it's kind of I like to do different things. I guess keep it fresh.

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Speaker 3: That's the best way to be.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 7: Trying to learn about myself honestly, like just trying to understand myself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's I've always learned a lot about myself through writing songs or whatever you choose to do and you don't know why you're choosing to do it, but it becomes clear later, right.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think so. I think like for somebody like me who's never hasn't spent time with a mental health care professional, I think the best way for me to do it is like writing or performing or you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, blah blah blah. That's why we do it, That's why we do it. Yeah, it's the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the show's so great.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's done, you guys, you guys.

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Speaker 7: It's done.

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Speaker 3: Put a bow on it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a bow was put on it, and it's over. But you know, I was just you know, the Emmy's just happening. Jeff Coastar plays Joel won the Emmy, which is really exciting, and so now more people are finding it, which is really exciting. And then there's always a conversation of like, could we do like a movie or something. So to me, it's one way of kind of keeping it alive by thinking of the opportunity that there's another way or somehow that we can just have one last chapter.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be great. I mean, I think the fans would love that. I would love that.

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Speaker 3: Please do that.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like in today jo said, so I said, do it. I feel like in today's landscape of TV, you never know you can kind of if somebody wants you to do it and you want to.

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Speaker 3: Do it, can't you just do it? Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like things go away for years now and then they come back in a.

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Speaker 7: Way, and I think that's one cool thing with HBO. Not one cool thing with HBO. But you know, they like the comeback is filming another season. Really yeah, I love that show.

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Speaker 3: I loved that show too.

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Speaker 7: So great. But I and you know, they they've they're like Curby Enthusiasm, Like I think there's somebody that once you're in the HBO fan that there is it's a possibility. Yeah, you know, so I'm I'm trying to secret it or whatever that man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm secreting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 7: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm really happy for you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'm happy I discovered you that way.

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Speaker 3: But you're like this New York legend.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea, you know, when I started watching this show, I didn't know much about you. So it's been really exciting to find out all these things.

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Speaker 7: Well, i mean, legends a big word, but I mean I'm thinking I've been I mean, I know what you mean, but I've been. I've been kicking around, uh New York for a long time and in the cabaret world, which is like kind of you know, it's not the cool buzz word. Everybody thinks it is, but I I don't know. I love it. It's I'm so happy that I came to New York because I found like all these people that were doing something that that was what I was looking for. But I didn't know what cabaret was. I didn't know, you know, I can imagine with you, like the style of I mean, I don't know, actually, but like, did you start playing like jazz like that was your sort of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I started with jazz, but then when I moved to New York, I got into songwriting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had never thought about that before.

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Speaker 7: So New York sort of was like also a conduit for you too, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I got into the songwriting scene when I moved here, when I had intended to get into the jazz scene, and then I sort of shied away from it as soon as I got here. My first album was on Bluenout Records, but it was kind of a songwriter album, but not all my songs.

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Speaker 3: I was doing songs by my friends.

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Speaker 1: But there is like a real crossover between jazz, you know, the jazz world I came from of singing those old standards and the cabaret world, I feel like where you're working in a lot of those same songs.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And there's like and the guys that I work with, you know, Matt Ray, who is the piano keyboard in my band. We've written a lot of songs together. We've written Home, which is from my show, and then we've also wrote what I Got to Do to Get That Dick. But but what I love is like there is like I can sit down at the piano and I just play like very sort of elementary chords and like I have an idea, but like the voicing like he you know, he is able to sort of you know, the the voicing of a jazz musician, the way you know it just is something that I like don't understand, but I can kind of hear and you want to hear that, Yeah, I want to hear that. I want to hear like really cool chords and you know beautiful you know. I think he understands sonically like what I'm trying to say, but I can't put into like can't obviously I'm not really good with my words.

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Speaker 1: But well, it's so nice to find somebody who you can feel that sort of secret language.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really nice that you have that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all the guys are like super down dance and Bowler who plays bas.

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Speaker 3: I know, danceing. Yeah, it's great from like the jazz scene back in the day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you know he's great. Actually, I was working on a song idea and I texted him and he sent me some songs that were just so crazy because he's you know, some Sky's Champagne. Jerry aka Neil Medlin is a friend of mine, but he also dances at my shows, and he started talking about how he loves when dance and slaps. So now dancing it's just like fully unhinged and I love it.

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Speaker 3: Like to me, I can't picture that because from back in the day like wearing suits.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah yeah, but now like he just he goes out of his mind and it makes me laugh. And so I want to do a song that is like that features that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's great, but you know.

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Speaker 7: That has but they're also great musicians, So it's cool because I'm you know, the song I want to do is called Soak and Wet.

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Speaker 3: It's like the marriage of.

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Speaker 1: The musicians being like having all that language, like putting it together.

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Speaker 7: It's like you know, when you you know, you prop up like like I feel like the class clown or something. And then I'm like hanging with like the academics and they're like making me look smart.

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Speaker 1: Something I don't know, but it's great. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm glad you're in that family.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you you mentioned home that's from your show.

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Speaker 3: You wrote that song with Matt Ya.

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Speaker 7: I started song writing songs by accident. The original lineup of my band, uh Adam more of it's ak Yeah, he was in the the original lineup of the band, and he's he's been on a sabbatical for for a number of years now. But you know, they have a silloscope there the BC Boys studio that or they had at the time. I'm not sure if I think it's still going, but in Tribeca, yeah, so I said, Andre, help pretty who's down there? But anyway, I talked to Adam and I said, you know, I want to do an album, like I want to do like some covers because that's what we were doing at the time. And he said, he's like, you can't, he can't do that. You can you can write songs and like sort.

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Speaker 3: Of that's cool.

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Speaker 7: Put me on the path of doing it. And like the first one of the very first songs I came up with with Titties, which we were talking about when I walked in. But the great thing about it was that he, you know, I was like, this is this is silly, right, and he's like, he's like, no, it sounds like a hit, you know, like and he kind of gave me encouraged me even if something seemed ridiculous to like that that could be something great like permission, like permission, like and I'm somebody who needs like people to kind of be like that's okay, you know, Like I'm not like, you know, with the vision board and like goals and this, that and the other. I just kind of do what makes me laugh or what feels good, but I don't always understand and like how to you know, do it in practice, like how to make it part of a career or something, And like people like him have just taught me along the way to just do you. That's exactly what you said. It means like do you And like ever since he said that to me, I'm like I've been doing me. And that's obviously a lot of different things you know. But but yeah, he really helped me take a stab at songwriting.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like people coming from certain world, especially like if you were coming from the cabaret world at that time. Yeah, like same here. I was coming from singing jazz standards. I didn't really know that I could write songs.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like sometimes you just need to be a little nudge in a direction.

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Speaker 7: So did you start doing it or was like somebody that was like encouraging you or yeah?

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Speaker 1: I had some I had friends who wanted me to sing their songs. Yeah, to be completely honest, and it worked out for me, Like my big hit Don't know why it is my good friend's song Jess Harris, but it made me.

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Speaker 3: Want to also write my own.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of.

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Speaker 1: They definitely were encouraging, but it was a lot of like sing my song, you know.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well I might have a song in me, you know.

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Speaker 7: And so you really hadn't written anything before you came here. I mean like, were you ever like sort of in the you know, back in like yeah, you know, just a little for yourself and like not sharing it or just like doing it.

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Speaker 1: Or I wrote two songs in high school that I went up performing our high school, so it was very encouraging. And I wrote two songs, but we recorded them like with the guys in my class, and they had new recording equipment and they would like send them out for the Downbeat Jazz Magazine student Awards. And I think for me it was too much and I was immediately embarrassed by them. Why And so I turtleheaded back in What were like?

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Speaker 7: What style were they were?

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Speaker 6: They?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: They were just corny. I mean they were first songs, you know what I mean? They're high school song. I hear something really, yeah, you're supposed to be singing for me. Actually, I feel like one of them I need to remember it was kind of not bad.

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Speaker 3: I wait, I'm the bust of me, so sad. I can't remember the rest. I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: My thoughts are clouded with memories of your pay whoops.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I can't believe you got me to do that?

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Speaker 6: Oh my got that?

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Speaker 8: Wow?

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Speaker 1: This is a I'm sad to think that your love was in vain.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember the rest.

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Speaker 7: What I gotta dig that one back.

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Speaker 3: I gotta dig it.

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Speaker 1: But cool, keep fritch now see now you're nudging me so so I feel like I got really shy. And then I think it was just too much people hearing them instead of me just sitting with them before anybody heard them.

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Speaker 7: Well also, you know, we were sending it out to like to like for people to like judge it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but I wasn't. The school was, which was really sweet, but also like it was just like, oh no, I'm not quite ready for that.

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Speaker 7: You have to incubate those things exactly. I got it, but like that's you know, the there was something I was working on this morning because I'm meeting with my band tomorrow and I'm also working on somebody uh something with Scott Whitman and Mark Shaman. We're writing songs together too, And I'm like, is this like a song for my band? Is this a song for this show? And like and I like I had I'd put it away for a while and I pulled it back out and I was like this, Oh no, this is this is so corny. Like like sometimes I'll sit down, I'll sit down at the keyboard and and it takes me a while to sort of come up with whatever the two or three chords I want to hear I'm being generous three maybe two on piano, piano, Like, it takes me a while to like to to get like the voicing of what I think what I'm trying to say. Yeah, And I listened to it. I was like, oh, this is like I when I was writing it, and I'm like sitting down at the keyboard and like feeling all emo.

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Speaker 3: And like this is you were feeling it.

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Speaker 7: I was feeling it like and that's how I usually like, oh, this is something like because if I can respond to it, it may not be something that's gonna like not be a hip, but something that's gonna do much for me. But I but it's gonna be right for me. Yeah. But I listened to it as I was singing. I was like, I couldn't even I did like a voice memo because I was gonna send it around. I was like, I can't even nobody's.

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Speaker 3: Ever going to hear this again, like stomach sending, stomach.

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Speaker 7: Sciting, because the idea of it was something that my mom had said to me. And so it's like, you know, I want I want it to be so good and it just is like the song I can feel it wanting to be good instead of just like you.

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Speaker 3: Don't feel it yet.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm really I'm glad about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like it's from something special.

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Speaker 7: There's somebody she said to me that was like so special and and I really maybe I should just take the pressure off myself of like trying to make it mean so much, you know, like trying to make all the you know, because I'm not like a poet.

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Speaker 3: Nor am I.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter though, if it's I've realized like if it's for a long time. In the beginning, when I was really starting to try to write songs, I would try to get clever and that never worked. Yeah, those are the songs I cringe at now. But the songs that I just I used a cliche because it felt right, but I wasn't trying to be clever about it, those are the songs that still resonate with me.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 7: Those are the exact right words I need to hear right now. Yeah, so I'll take it back to the drawing force.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you something. I want to get to playing this song home, but I do have to tell you something. I listened to that podcast Mike Birbiglia working it out and.

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Speaker 3: You were on there.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, god, what I said.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that song I did, and you said what your mom had said to you and it was very touching. Yeah, and inspired me. And I actually wrote some stuff down. I'll send you later.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. We can cut this out as nobody.

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Speaker 7: No, don't cut it out. But I think.

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Speaker 3: Actually it like inspired me.

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Speaker 1: So I have like three lines inspired by it that I'll show you.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, that is I mean, I mean I can say what it was because I've already said on another podcast. But you know when she she came to see me perform in New York, and like, I was really nervous. In case anybody here is on a mic Bigli a podcast listener.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty great. I love this show.

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Speaker 7: No, I really enjoyed doing it. And in fact, I wore this shirt and I was like, oh, I wore this same one on his podcast, but I weren't in Gray. I have two of them.

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Speaker 3: It's your podcast shirt, yes, my podcast shirt.

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Speaker 7: I had something else and I was like, oh, it's too fancy. I gotta just I gotta be me, do you as Adam said, But anyway, she came to see me at Joe's Pub, which is sort of my hub here in the city. I'm you know, and you know, if anybody's familiar with me or not familiar, a lot of my songs, you know, are about body parts, and it gets kind of like raunchy, but to me, it's it really is ultimately a celebration of my mom and who she kind of encouraged me to be. Like when I was growing up, we would go to food for less a grocery store, and she would never wear a bra, and you know, my brother coined her boobs beaver tails, and like she let them need to just like fly and like she just didn't care. But that was after many years of caring and and you know and sort of doing a bridge club and country club and you know in Kansas, wasn't like we were wealthy, but you know, just she was playing a part. And then like once she got divorced, she was like kind of finally herself and it was so and her favorite cussword, you know was motherfucker shit her ask her which I cut? But like she was she she really like just became her and like I think I think that was what I have been trying to capture like on stage, like when you become when you find that sort of freedom. So when she came to see my show afterwards, I was like, well, what do you think, mom? And she said she said that was freedom in motion. And I was like, well, that's the nicest thing Youbay's ever said to me. And it still makes me emotional because it's it's what I want wanted for her to feel like when she got divorced, and like watching her and it's it's how I want to feel when I'm on stage. So trying to write the song has been, as I mentioned before, pretty challenge.

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Speaker 1: It's like living up to the thing that she said. Yeah, it's like hard to live up to that or something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I'm afraid to try to write it with somebody else if I don't come up with the initial thing because.

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Speaker 3: It's it's about you and it's about me.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want that too. So when I was like, is this a tender moment song or is it a Scott and Mark song? Or is it just a me thing and I need to figure it out or maybe it's.

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Speaker 3: A Nora Jones song, I no, I don't want to impose my thoughts.

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Speaker 7: But I just I want to hear it because maybe that's.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm here today, you know, maybe that's why I just wanted you to know that when you said that, it was so inspiring because that that phrase also just the story behind it is it's really beautiful. And but that phrase alone is just it's what you want.

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Speaker 7: And what's really interesting about my mom is like she's not like somebody that you know, my dad was really clever, very witty and like and and just you know, like a real wordsmith. And my mom is like more like she could give a look and make you laugh and you know, just she she was kind of naughty and stuff. But like as far as like saying something like that was just that's like lightning in a bottle. It wasn't like something that she was known to do. Yeah, but it was profound. She's not somebody that would come up with those things would just come out. If she came up with something profound, it would be like, you know, you can't trust any about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Your a prig. Like it was out of character for her.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was out of character.

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Speaker 3: And well, it's really sweet.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna fresh glass my let's keep it in though, because it's real life. You know, you people on TV Fresh Class like to do a fresh glass. You just come down to this piano.

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Speaker 3: And I never do miracles every day, literally never.

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Speaker 1: I never come down here unless we're doing something really yeah, I have I have a small upright piano there. Sometimes if I have an idea, I'll hit it, but I never come down here.

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Speaker 7: It's like there's so many cool toys, like I need to say.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to use any of the equipment, so that makes it kind of hard for me. I just know how to use the instruments. Do you want to try home?

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Speaker 7: Let's try it.

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Speaker 3: I have a little harmony. Would you mind if I added it?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 7: Please?

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Speaker 1: Do?

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Speaker 2: It sounds so much better when you play?

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Speaker 10: How many times did I hear them?

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Speaker 6: Sick?

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Speaker 2: She's got every drifted away? Another night staring at the wall.

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Speaker 11: And if I try, I know I'll fall.

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Speaker 2: All these hills because in on me has nothing here. I haven't seen lift me to my feet again. I've last touch.

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Speaker 6: I need a friend, and you brought me home. You've brought me home.

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Speaker 2: Oh my heart is speeding through my chest. Out whatever you want and come clean this mess.

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Speaker 8: Song in Me fell out of you.

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Speaker 2: I found now because of you, you brought.

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Speaker 11: Me home, Yes, you brought me home.

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Speaker 12: Diet well, I guess that was real fun for me. So thank you so much, Nora.

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Speaker 7: That was really cool.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you such a song.

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Speaker 7: Thank you. Oh my god, that was But that this was one like where I wrote song. I thought it was like the one and I thought was cool or whatever, and I was like, it's not right. And then just one day I had the keyboard on my little kitchen table there and I started playing those same chords and it really most of it just kind of dropped out of the sky and felt like and I felt very emotional, and like there's still a lot of times when I see it that I get choked up because, you know, I feel like the show, you know, obviously there's a lot of people that haven't seen somebody somewhere, but the show is about friendship obviously, Like I was a waitress for so many years, and like, who didn't see me as a waitress? Who saw me as like a star or a somebody is you know, And I don't mean like a like a People magazine and all that, but I mean they saw something special in me, and I think that. It wasn't until I moved to New York that I could kind of hear that and take that in And this the song is really a thank you to those people that gave me that.

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Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. It feels like that. Yeah, and the show really does that as well. It's like a sense of home is not really the place, even though in the show you're going home, yeah, and you are home again, But it is finding it through through people relationships.

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Speaker 7: I guess that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: It totally is. I mean, I keep learning that.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a constant struggle. I feel like that's a lesson that that I'm always going to struggle with. I'm always going to struggle with, like feeling like I belong somewhere. I think a lot of people feel that way, as it turns out.

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Speaker 3: But absolutely is universal.

00:26:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I was just somewhere in that and the you know, the person I was talking to is she was like, I have a lot of imposter syndrome, and and it's so it's so interesting how many people feel that way. But it's also interesting how many people feel like they deserve everything they get, because which to me like blows my mind, I'm like, you do. I mean sometimes I'm like, okay, you're right, But other times I'm like, girl, good.

00:26:54
Speaker 3: Lucky girl, recognize.

00:26:59
Speaker 1: You don't ness really deserve it.

00:27:01
Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that side of it.

00:27:04
Speaker 7: I don't know.

00:27:05
Speaker 3: Well, it's a great song. I think the best ones fall out of this guy.

00:27:10
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:27:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. When you were growing up, your mom was a music teacher.

00:27:15
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:27:16
Speaker 3: Wow did she teach? What did she teach? Specifically?

00:27:19
Speaker 8: Taught?

00:27:20
Speaker 7: Well, like when when my parents got divorced, she hadn't been a teacher for so long because she was like, ah, you know, she taught earlier in her career, and then so she taught at the local Catholic school, but she did K through twelve and she did all kinds of you know, she did both band and you know, every music class. So and then because she generally make enough money, she taught after school lessons and she taught you know, guitar, piano, violin, everything. She played everything. Oh cool, I mean not like a not virtuoso or enough she was. She was like she I think she was first chair violin at University of Kansas and their orchestra. I have her violin. Actually, I just was looking at the other day. I was like, what am I going to do with this?

00:28:09
Speaker 3: That's cool? Maybe you could play it, yeah.

00:28:12
Speaker 7: But we but it's not maybe you could play it, yeah, there's no maybe hanging on a wall or put it in a corner or something. But yeah, everybody in my like we used to sing around the piano a lot during holidays and like my brother, My brother brought got all that. He's the talented one, Like he can play everything by ear, and I mean I have talented, I'm want to say, but you know, he's That's what I wish I could do. It was my my mom's dad, my grandfather used to play rag time piano like all by ear and everything. Wow, but I just didn't obviously if you can hear the chords and how plung, I didn't get that h ability. But there, I think the great thing about my mom and a rare thing about you know, she was somebody who constantly, uh you know, encouraged music and and and and wanted me to to follow my dream to be a singer, even though it took forever.

00:29:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so rare. Yeah, to want you to be a musician.

00:29:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, So one of you, like, like was it? Sister Acto is one of my favorite movies, Like, you know, the mother just can't get behind Lauren Hill. I'm just like weeping because I'm like, man, you don't you don't know how much she needs?

00:29:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, It's crazy.

00:29:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, were your parents encouraging?

00:29:27
Speaker 1: My mom was not a stage mom, but she was encouraging in that she took me to a Brazilian lessons Yeah.

00:29:34
Speaker 7: You know, and because you see with it very confident, you know really yeah, you see he seems self assured, which is a nice thing to Well.

00:29:43
Speaker 1: I'm driving this boat, so if I was, if I wasn't sure, you'd be nervous.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

00:29:50
Speaker 1: I've always struggled with like self consciousness, but yeah.

00:29:56
Speaker 7: Self consciousness, but not self confidence or both or not really self confidence.

00:30:01
Speaker 1: I don't think I do struggle with self confidence, but I don't know why.

00:30:06
Speaker 7: I think it's super talented. That's one thing.

00:30:08
Speaker 3: Well, no, I maybe I do. I don't know.

00:30:12
Speaker 1: I think my mom was very kind of a balls out strong Leah still is.

00:30:16
Speaker 7: It really helps?

00:30:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole thing.

00:30:20
Speaker 7: I feel like my mom was somebody who was like really she seemed like she was self confident, but she had such little self worth. I think that it really seeped into my bones a little bit. So I do work on that really well, I don't. I just work on it. I know it's there, yeah, but it's But that's also what's kind of fun about being on stage and and just you know how you can, like everybody says you're like a superhero version of yourself or a lot of people say that, and I do feel like that, but I also feel like it unleashes something that like it unleashes a kind of confidence I wish.

00:30:57
Speaker 3: I had in life.

00:30:58
Speaker 7: In life.

00:30:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like the Beyonce Sasha fears, like, yeah that she has that alter ego or something.

00:31:05
Speaker 9: Right.

00:31:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, But it's like it's not like I'm like, I mean, I guess like I want to. It's not like I I don't like want attention, Like it seems kind of odd because I'm up on stage and I've got like plunging neckline. Whatever. What I want to do is feel I want to feel as alive as I feel on stage, and like I feel like when I'm doing a show, I'm wanting to I want other people to feel that. I want people. I want to feel electric. I want to feel just like and in my day to day life, I can feel kind of like passive and and and like I'm boring or something. I don't know, and I kind of am in my real life. But I but I it's so weird because I feel like on on stage, Yeah, it's not like wanting to, you know, get likes. I feel like that's a whole different thing like being on stage. It's just like the it's being a vital exchange between me and the people that are there. And I feel like that there is a connection. Yeah, and I feel like they're just as important to what's happening is is me.

00:32:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they are, especially with how you do what you do.

00:32:19
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's pretty interactive.

00:32:20
Speaker 3: It's pretty interactive, but.

00:32:22
Speaker 7: It's but it's also like I think it's like, I mean, I don't know how you feel, but I feel like it's conversation, you know. I feel like I'm in conversation with the people that are in the audience, even though I don't want them to talk. I want it.

00:32:32
Speaker 3: But I mean like there's a limit. Yeah, yeah, there's a limit.

00:32:35
Speaker 7: But I think that they're giving me something, you know, like and I'm I mean, I'm I'm starting the conversation, but they're they're giving me like the right to kind of or the ability to feel seen and to feel understood. And it's like it's for for that reason I would never stop doing it. And though I've like as as I've gotten a little bit older, I've gotten a little more like nervous, you know, not like real stage Frida. I'm just like, why do I do this to myself?

00:33:08
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so much energy and that's so normal.

00:33:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's good to hear.

00:33:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all feel like that sometimes.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: And I'm not putting out as much energy as you are on stage, and I still feel like that.

00:33:18
Speaker 7: It's a different kind of different.

00:33:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well I don't usually.

00:33:23
Speaker 3: Feel like that on stage.

00:33:24
Speaker 1: Actually, unless it's a really bad show, I guess then I do feel like that. But but more just the stuff that surrounds doing it, you know, all the work you put into it, the.

00:33:34
Speaker 3: Travel, all that stuff.

00:33:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, it can be tough. Yeah what do you wait? I lost my already lost what I was going to you said something like two seconds gone, Like I want to ask you a question and I've already forgotten, so let's just pretend that never happened. People need to know that.

00:33:49
Speaker 1: It's well, I have I have a I have one thing to add to that is I feel alive when I'm making music and I go get into the zone and that sort of flow state, whatever call it.

00:34:00
Speaker 3: You know, that's the best feeling.

00:34:02
Speaker 1: And I love it when the audience is loud and interacts with me.

00:34:07
Speaker 3: The more the better, you.

00:34:08
Speaker 7: Know, singing along and stuff like that, talking to you.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: I so rarely get it. I took my kid to go see Billie Eilish and I couldn't hear a word she was singing because the audience was singing so loud and it was really beautiful, but also I wanted to hear her a little.

00:34:21
Speaker 3: More, but I don't have that.

00:34:22
Speaker 1: Like, my audience is really really respectful, Like they're great, they're amazing, but they're very quiet. They're listening, and they're a real listening audience, and it's beautiful.

00:34:32
Speaker 3: But it's also like I like it when they get a.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Little drunk and like yell at me a little, you know, it does make me feel a little more interactive.

00:34:38
Speaker 7: So do you encourage that? Do you like to come on people.

00:34:42
Speaker 1: I get shy on stage talking and in life I'm not that shy.

00:34:48
Speaker 3: I'm pretty you know, we joke around and whatever.

00:34:51
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know why.

00:34:53
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, I'm not sure. But I kind of like to let the music do it for me. I mean, you know, I talk, I introduce my band, I say what's up. If I'm feeling it, I'll talk a little more. If I'm not feeling it, I don't force it because I feel like it feels like a script.

00:35:10
Speaker 7: Yeah I do. I agree. Like I think that when you see people, it's interesting watching like singer songwriters, like sometimes you can tell when people are like, you know, I thought about this one. Let me let me, let me let me put this out there.

00:35:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, like like.

00:35:26
Speaker 3: Like a crafted pattern, a crafted.

00:35:28
Speaker 7: Pattern, you know in Calgary, that's the idea. You have a crafted pattern, but it's part of a thing. But like sometimes with the singer songwriter, I you know something, you always want it to feel natural. Like I only ever want to see the real version of somebody. I never want to see what they think that people want to see them do or I don't.

00:35:46
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I know, I mean I think people can see through that totally.

00:35:50
Speaker 3: And it's the same with social media.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: If you craft something really you know, people don't like it as much as if you're just like balls out whatever you are.

00:35:59
Speaker 7: I gotta get off that thing. Yes, it is like, I mean, everything is so curated and so.

00:36:06
Speaker 3: I think it's too curated.

00:36:07
Speaker 7: It's too curated, and it makes me. It makes me sad. I mean, you know, good for you make your money. You know this is you know, people are making bank and that's great for them. But I'm but I'm I don't know, like I miss like seeing people like who people are and not what the perception they want to put out. I don't know. Yeah, that's why I don't leave my house. I think I think that might be why I don't leave my house. I think that's good. I'm having a breakthrough today.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're here.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: Speaking of people being who they want to be, you know, writing the songs they want to write. Yeah, dang it, you got this song Titties. So this was one of the first songs you were writing with Adam, like back.

00:36:56
Speaker 3: In the day.

00:36:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I so I used to go to Williams Spurg for Catch Club, which was with Murray Hill and Champagne Jerry to my really good friends. And we would, you know, at the time we were in our forties. Now we're older, but we would just you know, play catch, do drills and and whatever. And I was shagging fly balls and I just started thinking about.

00:37:17
Speaker 1: Wait, start over, what what are you talking about.

00:37:22
Speaker 3: For a second, I thought you were talking about a club.

00:37:25
Speaker 7: I was in Williamsburg at the whatever the park is there. Catch club is, Like what so Murray and Neil used to play catch?

00:37:32
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, Cash, I'm picturing like a bar.

00:37:36
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I was.

00:37:36
Speaker 7: Like, we didn't drink. This is It was like, you know, like Murray's got kid, you gotta get some vitamin D.

00:37:41
Speaker 3: Talk about like, okay, so you're playing ball.

00:37:43
Speaker 7: Yeah. And it actually was born out of Team Pressure, which is a softball team that Adam used to in Kathleen Hannah and and so anyway, this is our little offshoot, just doing drills, playing catches people in their forties do, and and I was shagging fly balls because Murray is a real task.

00:38:01
Speaker 1: Master with the I think the Yeah, that's where I got lost shag and fly balls.

00:38:05
Speaker 7: Sorry it's but that could be the song.

00:38:10
Speaker 3: I'm not very you shouldn't write that song. You definitely, but I'm not very sporty anyway.

00:38:16
Speaker 7: So I was just like, you got that anyway. And so I told Adam. I was like, I just have this idea for a song. Is it is stupid? And He's like, no, no, it's a hit. It's a hit, and like and and so I so I just started writing all different kinds of tits and it really this is like a song from my mom because of her beaver tails and like how free she was with them, and it was I was.

00:38:43
Speaker 3: Always inspired by that. That's great.

00:38:46
Speaker 7: It's also kind of like a a mantra. It's like a I don't know, it's like a I usually do this like it's a second song on my set typically because I feel like it's a great equalizer. It's go and tell people what kind of tits they have, and like it sets the tone and and like I know that, like I'm supposed to move on and do new material, but it's hard to leave this one behind.

00:39:09
Speaker 3: It's a real icebreaker.

00:39:13
Speaker 7: Yeah, And one time I was doing it and I was going around the room and I was like really deep in the room and I'm like naming all this kind of tits. And then I turned around and I was like, you get and I was like, oh my god, it was glorious Steinem and like I was like, cut the track. Cut the track. That's why I refer to my band as the track. I hit the track and that was another moment. I was like, oh my god, this is like, you know, she's glorious stein I'm like, what she can think I'm seeing about tits and like, you know, I'm always worried that I'm you know, but she was. She loved it.

00:39:42
Speaker 3: She probably was there because she loved it.

00:39:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's just a constant. But anyway, I do love the song is as stupid as it is, but sometimes stupid is good.

00:39:53
Speaker 3: No, it's not stupid.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: It's it's like a it's like a body power mantra. Like it's a it's a the anthem.

00:40:00
Speaker 7: It's you know, it's meant to make people feel good.

00:40:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.

00:40:03
Speaker 7: Just do it.

00:40:04
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna follow you, okay, Right, the chords don't change too much, like don't change. No.

00:40:14
Speaker 7: See, this is what I'm trying to do is teach you as somebody who has an incredible musical vocabulary that you know, sometimes just one or two chords will do it.

00:40:23
Speaker 3: I totally am here for that.

00:40:25
Speaker 7: It's so fas.

00:40:26
Speaker 3: I'm here for that.

00:40:27
Speaker 7: Somebody said to me one time, like they were doing like some a night of like all my songs, and and then she was like, yeah, you don't really get too in the weeds with the chord changes.

00:40:38
Speaker 3: Hey, it makes it more want to. It makes me able to get out of my.

00:40:41
Speaker 1: Head and just play the song, right, come on, it's nice nice.

00:40:46
Speaker 7: Actually was like, I gotta get myself a songbook that's just like like just all the chords, you know, like just like yeah, so like because like they're just Sarah black and white like you might see, you know, like this is major as. You know, this is seven saus. Like I never want somebody like, oh, do something sus. I'm like, what do What's that means? Sas? What's does sus mean?

00:41:05
Speaker 11: Well?

00:41:05
Speaker 1: The kids today have a whole other meaning for it, but you know terms, you know how I always think of sus and it helped me not overthink it is I just do a triad.

00:41:18
Speaker 3: If it's D sas, I just do C triad over it.

00:41:22
Speaker 7: Oh, I like I like a sas.

00:41:25
Speaker 3: I love a sas if it's Jesus.

00:41:28
Speaker 8: You just you F triad so you're just.

00:41:31
Speaker 7: Doing a regular G G major chord and then wait, no, what are you doing?

00:41:34
Speaker 6: Wait?

00:41:34
Speaker 3: Wait, well what chord do you want to hear?

00:41:36
Speaker 7: I want to hear it? Like is like D major SaaS the thing.

00:41:39
Speaker 1: D major sas You play a D in the base and you play a C triad in the right hand, so a whole step down do a major triad.

00:41:51
Speaker 7: It's just so it's this plus this plus a step down.

00:41:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a trick to you know, think of it because.

00:41:59
Speaker 7: It's a because of d's in the left hand.

00:42:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the anchor, that's the chord. And then once you get used to that, you can move your middle finger down so it's instead of But that's how I always think of a SAS to this day. Is I go a whole step down in the right hand.

00:42:21
Speaker 7: I mean, it couldn't have been any simple. I know, I wanted to ask questions. When they're like, oh, let's do something something saus, I'm like, sus, that sounds that sounds complicated. Yeah, it sounds expensive too.

00:42:32
Speaker 3: Exactly.

00:42:33
Speaker 1: I had this great piano teacher in junior high and high school who kind of opened up my mind to music because I was studying classical music until then and it didn't really compute with my brain.

00:42:44
Speaker 3: And I liked it.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: But I liked music, but I didn't I wasn't into like reading the right and left hand. And I could do it, but it wasn't that easy for me. And so she taught me how to read a chord chart. And so she she did circle of forces.

00:43:01
Speaker 3: You know what that is in theory?

00:43:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and theory you know, it goes there's a pattern to music. It's kind of mathematical, and so she did it in the pattern where the notes kind of go up in the amount of sharps and flats.

00:43:15
Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm getting in the weeds here now.

00:43:17
Speaker 1: But anyway, she had a sheet would just circle of force all the note names, and she said, just do a minor chord on each one with metronome and you just go through it.

00:43:29
Speaker 3: And then she had a.

00:43:29
Speaker 1: Random sheet, so then you do that one next. And that's how I ended up learning how to record charts and memorizing all the right voicings. Then you you know, you eventually do it with fancy voicings or like different inversions, and you just keep memorizing it.

00:43:43
Speaker 7: I want to take the beginner class.

00:43:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

00:43:46
Speaker 7: Because when I took piano lessons when I was a kid, like, I took it from this woman barber Share and I would go like Fridays before school or something ridiculous, and she had compression socks she would wear, so she was like put on her compression socks for like the first five ten minutes, then talk to me about her aches and pains.

00:44:06
Speaker 3: She would put them on in front of you.

00:44:08
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's like and they.

00:44:10
Speaker 3: Were like, that's pretty graphic.

00:44:11
Speaker 2: I know.

00:44:11
Speaker 7: This is like the eighties, like early eighties, so they were like real thick, yeah, and like, and she just sort of talked about her her circulation, a lot of you know, stuff that she had gone on. And we didn't we didn't really, we didn't spend too many time, spent too much time actually playing piano.

00:44:31
Speaker 3: Really, you were just her buddy.

00:44:33
Speaker 7: I was just her buddy. But my brother Brock, you know, because he was good. I think they really they really put the something to the something what he called it. You put the something something.

00:44:42
Speaker 1: The field of the fire, the fire, the poker the fire poker.

00:44:45
Speaker 7: In the Yeah, they did that, But for me, I think I was more of a confidant. Oh well, I'm gonna look. I'm gonna look for sas and some instruction manuals. I have a piano. No, I actually got the piano from somebody somewhere shipped out. Really yeah, and so so I've been sitting down. It's been really fun.

00:45:06
Speaker 3: That's great.

00:45:07
Speaker 7: Okay, but let's let's do some titties.

00:45:11
Speaker 10: Start.

00:45:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can always start over for I mess up.

00:45:14
Speaker 3: Huh, we can start over if I mess up, right, Heck.

00:45:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, just stop me, okay, hold out, stop the track.

00:45:38
Speaker 8: You got them little nippy titties. Pulled them in the air.

00:45:42
Speaker 10: She got them tube suck titties. She pulled him in the air.

00:45:46
Speaker 2: I got these beavery tail titties. I pulled him in the air.

00:45:50
Speaker 6: Pull him up, put him up, put him up.

00:45:54
Speaker 10: You got them low running titties.

00:45:57
Speaker 8: Pulled them in the air.

00:45:59
Speaker 10: She got them fly jack chitnies. Pulled them in the air. You got them single malt titties.

00:46:05
Speaker 6: Pulled them in the air. Put 'em up, put 'em up, put 'em up.

00:46:11
Speaker 10: You got them rubber ducky titties.

00:46:14
Speaker 2: Pulled him in the Yeah, she got them things shot titties pulled him in the Yeah.

00:46:19
Speaker 6: You got them.

00:46:20
Speaker 10: Dipsy doodle titties.

00:46:22
Speaker 6: Put him in the air, putt him up, put 'em up, put.

00:46:26
Speaker 10: Him up, and then we bounced unpounce.

00:46:30
Speaker 9: We bounced pounce pounce. We bounced bounce bounce, We bounced bounce bounce.

00:46:35
Speaker 5: You got them cream pine titties put him in the You got them pepperon.

00:46:41
Speaker 6: And limp titties.

00:46:42
Speaker 3: Put him in the You got them turny triangle titties.

00:46:47
Speaker 6: Put him in the put 'em up, put 'em up, put um up.

00:46:52
Speaker 3: You got them stretched armstrong titties.

00:46:55
Speaker 2: Put him in the You got them red fat titties. You got them, know how to float them tates hot n put him.

00:47:06
Speaker 6: Up, put him up, put him up.

00:47:09
Speaker 10: And then we bounced bounced bouts.

00:47:12
Speaker 9: We bounced bounce house, We bounced ouns house, We bounced bounced bouce.

00:47:17
Speaker 11: You got that woot tang.

00:47:19
Speaker 2: Hoole, misteak, peach pet totties, tick tack, cracker, jack hammer head titties, fire holes and needle nose, Milk city titties.

00:47:29
Speaker 6: Put um up, put him up. But him up. We bought him milt, hold.

00:47:34
Speaker 8: Up up up, put him up. We pulled him up, pull him up, put him up, put him up, and then we bounce.

00:47:46
Speaker 7: Wait when were those first thing you said.

00:47:48
Speaker 3: That's so freaking funny.

00:47:51
Speaker 1: Well, you got those creamline titties. Thinking about you know, breast milk. You know, it's like there's like that cream top and like the whole thing. It's like kind of watery when it first comes out, and then when you get to the end of the drink, it's like the cream lines up and then the pepperoni nip titties. Yeah, it tiny triangle titties, which I've had, you know when you get a sunburn and you get those little triangle bikinis on.

00:48:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's great.

00:48:19
Speaker 3: That was so fun. Thank you.

00:48:21
Speaker 7: You know if you ever do Carnegie Hall, Oh man, I'm kidding. That was fun.

00:48:31
Speaker 3: That was awesome. I want to come. I got to come see you.

00:48:36
Speaker 1: I I'm going to be out of town when you do the Begon unfortunately.

00:48:40
Speaker 7: But and I'm always a Joe's. Anytime you want to come, I want to come see you.

00:48:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I used to live right behind Joe's. I can't believe I feel like I can't believe I haven't run into you.

00:48:50
Speaker 1: But I didn't really go into the cabaret scene at all. I never did, but I feel like I should have.

00:48:58
Speaker 3: Well it's it would have. I've played piano perfect for me.

00:49:02
Speaker 8: You know.

00:49:03
Speaker 7: It's actually you know that the subset of the cabaret scene that I'm in is like, it's pretty cool. People have done really gone on to do really great things. Like we used to host this show called Our Hip Parade and like people, it was based on your hip praide and like you would cover like a pop hit or whatever, and a lot of people did that. Jeff Hiller, who's was like that's kind of how I thought about him for to be in the show. And yeah, and then but like Cola Scola, who's like O Marion Broadway. You know, like there's a lot of people that are and justin Vivi me a bond who yeah, she was kind of like kicking her like the first thing that I used to go see and like this, Oh my god, this is I didn't I didn't even know this kind of performing existed, and like it.

00:49:57
Speaker 3: Really when you first moved to New York, Yeah.

00:50:00
Speaker 7: It rewired my brain my friend Zact took me. He's like, I have the show. I think you're in love. And it was like getting there every Sunday night like first in line so we could be the closest, you know, because it was like, yeah, I just was like losing my mind because I I'd never seen anything like that. I'm from Kansas and I went to Arizona State, so I didn't even know. And then yeah, you know, the great thing about New York Is is sometimes as much as I try to run away from it now, because it just feels like when you know living here long enough, it's like it feels you know, you can wear you down after a minute. But those early days, it was so thrilling, like the drag queens I would see, and like those people all they raised me. That was my education. So I don't know, it's pretty special. You can't be a miracle this place.

00:50:49
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's still happening? You're just too tired to go out? Because that's how I feel. Yeah, I feel like it's probably all out there still, Definitely.

00:50:56
Speaker 3: I just I want to stay home and watch TV.

00:50:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just like they were asking me, they were like giving me a free ticket to go to the show that was I can't remember what it's called right now, but I didn't go because I just it's, oh my god, i gotta take a shower on makeup.

00:51:16
Speaker 3: I'm too tired, too tired. That's how I feel.

00:51:19
Speaker 7: But I feel like maybe that's also kind of part of the problem, Like I'm part of the problem, like that I'm not taking advantage of the things that I used to take advantage of. Like I don't go out to really restaurants. I go to dinner. I got a sushi place by my house and by myself, and I treat myself.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: Only if it's easy, though, right, Yeah, like not if it's a big deal. You have to make a reservation.

00:51:37
Speaker 7: Yeah. Like yeah, I don't go see a friend of mine if they're playing Joe's Pub because I know I can get a table that I like and I'll be comfortable.

00:51:45
Speaker 3: But not, you're not an unknown club, don't where you don't know, you don't have a back stage toilet.

00:51:51
Speaker 7: No, all that, Like it seems so and it's not about feeling special, it's just about feeling comfortable. Comfortable.

00:51:57
Speaker 3: No, I totally agree.

00:51:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm the same. I saw these people this. They have this song like.

00:52:04
Speaker 6: Hater.

00:52:05
Speaker 7: They're like a like a brother and brother and sisters or whatever. They're playing the blue note, and so I looked it up online. I was like, I really wanted to see them, and yet I didn't go. And then there's a new I just saw the Favors. Is that what they're called Phineas?

00:52:20
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know, but they have a new album.

00:52:24
Speaker 7: And I was like, my friend makes fun of me because all I do is listen to, you know, music from the seventies mostly and and even earlier like some eighties. But you know, like I'm really stuck, like I'm gonna I'm gonna look up some new music. And I know I love funk soul, just go like, you know, I love like hearing, I love yacht rock, I love everything. So I found them online. I listened their album. I was like, oh, I really, I think I really like this. I'm gonna join them. And and then one on their social media and they're like, oh, we're playing summer stage.

00:52:54
Speaker 6: You know.

00:52:54
Speaker 7: It was like the next night, and I was like, I live by Central Park. I could walk over there.

00:52:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could go, did you no?

00:53:02
Speaker 1: I Okay, Well I have this problem also, and I was wondering, I mean, is it partly social anxiety?

00:53:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a I think that's a piece of it.

00:53:13
Speaker 9: Well.

00:53:13
Speaker 7: Also, you know, I like to do things by myself. But I also it's a little bit different now because now that I'm I'm on a TV show and a little bit more recognized. Recognizable, not that it's really a problem in New York people, but like you still feel like if you go somewhere alone, you're not really just sitting there by yourself, like I feel a little self conscious or something, or just like.

00:53:35
Speaker 3: We're just being by yourself. Invite people to talk to me.

00:53:37
Speaker 7: I feel like that. Yeah, I feel like I need somebody to to become a buffer. A buffer.

00:53:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel like that.

00:53:43
Speaker 7: When I go home for to see my family, I can't go by myself. I have to my brother always. He lives in California. Is like, you want to go to Kansas, Like I can't do it together? Yeah, because even it's my family, But I just like I can't. I can't do that. I mean I can do stuff a lottle like like I said, I go to my sushi restaurant.

00:54:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not the same, but they're not going to really bother you.

00:54:05
Speaker 7: And I talked to my I talked to the gals that, you know, the servers that are the waitresses, whatever you wanna call them. I say waitress. I was waitress for twenty five years. I think you can say that.

00:54:15
Speaker 3: I think you can say waitress.

00:54:16
Speaker 7: I know.

00:54:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:54:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway, I've gotten off track. Where were we? Yeah? Yeah, people, you got a family?

00:54:24
Speaker 3: Yes, that also makes me tired and want to say it also.

00:54:28
Speaker 1: Makes me want to go out, Yeah, a little bit, but no, I mean it's just nice to get cozy every night. Yeah, Like it's hard to it's hard to motivate. I think both physically, yeah, and socially.

00:54:41
Speaker 7: I agree.

00:54:41
Speaker 1: And then alcohol for me is like it's like if I go out, I'm going to want to drink, and I don't want to drink, and that's that's a little hard.

00:54:49
Speaker 7: I'm like trying to not drink as much. JAMESI people are not going to see that coming from Nord Johns.

00:55:00
Speaker 3: Out with my nine year old.

00:55:02
Speaker 7: But you know, like because because I don't want to drink as much, then I like, like this week, I'm in the city all week and I have three nighttime obligations, and they're all like things where you know, where people are gonna want to drink, and if I'm not drinking there, I'd be like, what's your problem? Yeah exactly, I mean not like that and not what's your problem? But I just don't feel like, you know, if I drink then I especially if it's an open bar, then I'm gonna drink too much. I'm gonna feel like shit the next day. I'm not going to be productive. And I'm really trying to write right now and I'm trying to find my next creative thing, and so I really want to have a clear head, which is something I never thought I would say. I used to drink, you know, I used to drink wine every night, but I just can't. I don't want to do that anymore. Yeah, I mean I still like to have a little of course whisper. Yeah, I'll still not get back. I went out with somebody on Saturday night. I was upstate and my neighbor somebody that I work with, and my friend had to like coach me. He was like, just because the guy texted me. He's like, I'm in town, are you around? And I'm like, I'm here. Like, I've I've been working all day, you know, I'm chya, I've been you know, I bought some plants.

00:56:26
Speaker 1: You know.

00:56:27
Speaker 7: My friend is like just go like just yeah, And so I picked him up. I said, do you want pick you up? I'm gonna go to the brewery. Do you want to come to the brewery with me? We went to the brewery. We split a pizza, we had two rounds of drinks and he's like, do you want another's? Like, I think that was good. And then we went home and so I did it.

00:56:44
Speaker 3: You did it.

00:56:44
Speaker 7: I did it.

00:56:45
Speaker 3: That's hard, so it can't it can be done. And you know what it wasn't it was? I enjoyed myself and you didn't feel bad.

00:56:51
Speaker 7: I didn't feel bad.

00:56:52
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't.

00:56:53
Speaker 7: You know.

00:56:55
Speaker 3: So well that's the trick, isn't it. If you can just do that, then it's okay.

00:56:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:57:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then but that's hard for something.

00:57:02
Speaker 8: It is hard.

00:57:02
Speaker 3: That's hard for me also, yeah.

00:57:04
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, what a waste. I just feel like I'm wasting a lot of days by not doing more stuff sometimes.

00:57:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but you know, you're living life. I really am into plants, so that's cool though. I like to have some It's like I talked to them, I.

00:57:21
Speaker 3: Think you have to have a hobby in this business.

00:57:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise you will drive yourself crazy.

00:57:28
Speaker 7: I wish it was it was like a little you know. I have some friends that like they have we have a songwriters group that we do once a month, and I haven't been going to I know, and I haven't been going to that as much. And they're like my They're like my my friend family, and I'm like, I'm just like, I'm always finding a reason to not go.

00:57:49
Speaker 12: I don't know.

00:57:51
Speaker 3: I'm going.

00:57:52
Speaker 7: I'm going next on this is born. Let's talk funky. Well.

00:57:56
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up too much of your time because you've given so much and I just I could sit here forever.

00:58:03
Speaker 3: And talk to you.

00:58:03
Speaker 7: But I think we did pretty good.

00:58:05
Speaker 3: I think we did great.

00:58:06
Speaker 7: And so if you lived in the neighborhood, I would I would swing by and not unexpected, I would be like, yeah, what are you doing? In a forty five minutes? You would have one glass of one?

00:58:17
Speaker 3: One glass, just one one. We'll hold each other account of one and.

00:58:20
Speaker 7: We'll make it too, but that's it.

00:58:21
Speaker 3: Or one and a half.

00:58:24
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we got to do it again sometime, it'd be really fun. We liked it end the show with uh kind of a wild card or a cover sometimes. And I love it when people suggest songs that I have never played, And in this case, you've suggested this Miley Cyrus song the Climb that you do in your in your show a lot. I actually didn't know this song, and I know Sarah said it was like a huge hit, like, of course I should.

00:58:52
Speaker 3: Have known it. Well, that's the thing.

00:58:55
Speaker 1: I love Miley Cyrus and I know all our stuff from the last like five ten years, but the Hannah Montana years, I think I was I don't know, I was not paying attention to what was on the radio.

00:59:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I didn't know this song.

00:59:06
Speaker 7: Well this is it's this is. I did it for our hip parade many years ago, and like it's one of those songs where I like, yeah, this song is come on and then like when I when I sing it, I find it. Even though the lyrics are a little uh like maybe literal or on the notes or whatever, I think it's such an inspirational song. It feels so good.

00:59:25
Speaker 3: It's emotional.

00:59:27
Speaker 1: Isn't it Funny how songs from maybe when you were younger. Yeah that maybe you thought were, eh, that's popular, or that's maybe even corny. I'm not saying this song is corny, but like just in general songs from those days and now it's like it makes you cry. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, because you relate to it in a in a way that you didn't understand maybe when you were young.

00:59:52
Speaker 7: I well know, it sort of goes back to that thing you were saying at the beginning. It's like, you know, when I when we started doing that show, our Hip Paraid, which is all about pop music, like it re framed like I was like, you know, I never was like a pop music kind of I was going to say that, and I it just it just wasn't like something I would that was tracking for me. But but that that era of my life gave me such an appreciation for it. And like there's something you said earlier about like you know lyrically, like sometimes you just say the cliche cliche, like sometimes there's a lot of cliche yeah music, but I like it.

01:00:28
Speaker 3: Well, if you.

01:00:29
Speaker 1: In songwriting, if you try to take all the cliches out or all the things that are too like on the nose, sometimes you take out the heart of the song. Yeah, and if you mean it, it's not a cliche.

01:00:42
Speaker 7: It write it down like write it down.

01:00:45
Speaker 3: If you're feeling it, it's real.

01:00:47
Speaker 8: Yeah, hit the track.

01:00:50
Speaker 2: No, I cannot most see that dream dream. There's a voice inside my head said, you'll never chad. Every step I'm take again, every move I make feels that's with no direction. My faith is shaken. I'm gonna keep trying. You gonna keep the head hell work away. There's I was gonna be another mountain. I'm always gonna want to make it a mood. I was gonna be a enophill metal. Sometimes you're gonna have to lose hay a bad how fast I get there?

01:01:45
Speaker 10: Hain a bed was waiting on.

01:01:46
Speaker 7: Me on the side.

01:01:52
Speaker 8: It's the color.

01:02:00
Speaker 7: Unless I'm face said, these chances I'm.

01:02:03
Speaker 10: Take will sometimes I knock me down, but.

01:02:08
Speaker 6: No one not break again.

01:02:10
Speaker 2: And I've made no with But these are the moments I'm gonna remember.

01:02:18
Speaker 10: Bosa just gotta keep gold with.

01:02:22
Speaker 2: But I'm.

01:02:24
Speaker 10: I've gotta be strong.

01:02:28
Speaker 7: Jasking for sin No, there's always gonna be enough mount him.

01:02:37
Speaker 10: I'm always gonna want to.

01:02:38
Speaker 8: Make it a book.

01:02:40
Speaker 10: I was gonna be a nut Hill bad on me.

01:02:43
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta have to loose hit her bout how fast I hit it there hate her bet. I was waiting on the other side.

01:02:57
Speaker 6: Here's the club.

01:03:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I's gonna be another mountain. I'm I was gonna want to make it a bood. I was gonna be enough bil battle. Sometimes you're gonna have.

01:03:32
Speaker 8: To lose hate about how.

01:03:35
Speaker 10: Fast second there habll. I was waiting on.

01:03:38
Speaker 6: The other side.

01:03:45
Speaker 8: It's the club. It's the club.

01:03:58
Speaker 7: I don't know why. We're having a good moment.

01:04:03
Speaker 3: That was really pretty.

01:04:06
Speaker 7: What are you doing where?

01:04:07
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're doing.

01:04:08
Speaker 7: I think it's good. Just keep it in and just sometimes things up. Sometimes this is casual.

01:04:17
Speaker 3: It's the club.

01:04:18
Speaker 7: You know. How fun to get to sing with you.

01:04:21
Speaker 6: It was so fun.

01:04:22
Speaker 7: I think that was really it's really these are the moments.

01:04:26
Speaker 1: You know, yeah special, Yeah we did it. Thank you America, thank you, Oh thanks for listening.

01:04:38
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was so funny.

01:04:39
Speaker 6: That was so fun.

01:04:41
Speaker 1: I feel like for a week after that episode, I woke up in the middle of the night with titty ideas.

01:04:46
Speaker 5: I was too done, it's fine, And then I wonder if actually I heard a different version of it, and I heard a couple that I thought I made.

01:04:56
Speaker 3: Up, but they think she took them from me.

01:04:59
Speaker 5: No, I guy subconsciously locked them into my brain.

01:05:04
Speaker 3: She's a great human that really fun.

01:05:06
Speaker 5: Don't forget her tour Big Titties, Big Big Dreams.

01:05:11
Speaker 1: Check it out in a theater near you. The songs we did today. The first song was Home, which was released as a single in twenty twenty three for her TV show Somebody Somewhere. Second song we did titled Titties. It's from her album called Pound It, which was released in twenty thirteen. Third song we did the Miley Cyrus song from Hannah Montana, the movie released in two thousand and nine called The Climb Special. Thanks to Bridget Everett for joining us today and next week we'll be back with Julian laj. Norah Jones is playing along as a production of iHeart Podcasts.

01:05:48
Speaker 3: I'm your host Norah Jones.

01:05:50
Speaker 1: Visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. This episode is recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry, Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler.

01:06:03
Speaker 3: Artwork by Eliza Frye.

01:06:04
Speaker 1: Photography by Shervin Linez, Produced by Nora Jones and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron wan Kaufman and Jordan Rundag.

01:06:13
Speaker 3: Marketing lead Queen A. Nake, thanks for listening.