"Better Off Dead" (1985) vs. "One Crazy Summer" (1986): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Woooo looking really good, Shirley Fans, really good. This is
<v Speaker 1>the King of the K two Chris bamber Bauer here
<v Speaker 1>to introduce your hosts of the Shirley you Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious podcasts d Hoops, Graves and Jason I want my
<v Speaker 1>two dollars, Colvin. Let's blow the hatch and listen to them.
<v Speaker 1>Put their testicles, I mean tentacles all over. Two classic
<v Speaker 1>cult movies, Better Off Dead and One Crazy Summer.
<v Speaker 2>All right, listen up, everybody.
<v Speaker 3>Your pop culture knowledge will be gauged, along with a
<v Speaker 3>rating of one to ten on your style. Which will
<v Speaker 3>you judge solely by me and my vast expertise of
<v Speaker 3>eighties and nineties pop culture? Now, then, who would like
<v Speaker 3>to hold my clipboard?
<v Speaker 2>You make a fine little helper. What's your name? Jeff Johnson?
<v Speaker 2>A film by podcast? Shut up? Geek? What's your name?
<v Speaker 2>J C? Graves? This welcome back to the Surely you
<v Speaker 2>Can't Be Serious Podcast? Everybody. We are here to talk
<v Speaker 2>about two epic movies from nineteen eighty five and nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty six, turning thirty nine and forty this year, Crazy
<v Speaker 2>as It May be, Yes, Better Off Dead and One
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Summer.
<v Speaker 4>Go that way really fast.
<v Speaker 2>If something gets in your way.
<v Speaker 5>Turn.
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to talk to you about this because
<v Speaker 3>these are very important movies for my growing up experience.
<v Speaker 2>Where'd you first see these? How'd you become aware of them?
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that I can remember seeing the
<v Speaker 2>preview for Better Off Dead and thinking, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>I have to watch this movie just because of the
<v Speaker 2>damn shame somebody thrown away perfectly good bye boy like that.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great line. Yes, yeah, I mean, what a
<v Speaker 2>perfect line to put in the trailer. And yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely I I'm sure I saw it in
<v Speaker 2>the theater. I know that I saw one crazy summer
<v Speaker 2>because I had seen Better Off Dead, and then I
<v Speaker 2>watched them over and over again on HBO as well.
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I saw him on HBO all the time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I recorded.
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is back in the days when you
<v Speaker 3>put in a blank VCR tape and record it and
<v Speaker 3>just watch it over and over again.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>My friend group at my youth group at church loved
<v Speaker 3>quoting Better Off Dead.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the weird thing is is that both of
<v Speaker 2>these movies were not well received when they came out.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean I watched the Ciskel and Ebert and
<v Speaker 2>they were just I mean, it was a bash fast
<v Speaker 2>killing it. It was awful. But you know what, I
<v Speaker 2>remember they did that same thing for spies like us
<v Speaker 2>and I was and I was like, oh, I guess
<v Speaker 2>it's not a good movie. And then I went and
<v Speaker 2>saw the movie. I'm like, Oh, these guys are idiots.
<v Speaker 2>They have no idea what is a good movie.
<v Speaker 6>Maybe they're all ingredients are there in this movie for
<v Speaker 6>a funny black comedy about suburbia. But better off Dead
<v Speaker 6>never ever finds the right note. And this is one
<v Speaker 6>of those movies where you sit there saying, not only
<v Speaker 6>do I know what's going to happen, but it's going
<v Speaker 6>to be so boring that I won't even be amused
<v Speaker 6>by the fact that I knew it was going to happen.
<v Speaker 7>I have almost nothing to say about the film other
<v Speaker 7>than it is. I've seen it.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I've tried.
<v Speaker 7>I have tried to not remember as much as possible.
<v Speaker 7>You mentioned the garage scene. I just want to repeat
<v Speaker 7>the people and into the pattern of the film. You
<v Speaker 7>see that the window broken once, you see had broken twice.
<v Speaker 7>If he had broken three times, that's the whole pattern
<v Speaker 7>of the movie. What did this director think was funny
<v Speaker 7>that we would think it would be funny that when
<v Speaker 7>we didn't think that it was going.
<v Speaker 6>To break, that it did break.
<v Speaker 7>For example, then that director realize that we all know it's.
<v Speaker 6>Going to break again.
<v Speaker 7>And doesn't that director realize that that's stupid and that.
<v Speaker 6>Makes he makes himself.
<v Speaker 8>For example, the whole idea of the newspaper carrier. Just
<v Speaker 8>to take one little element in the film, this kid
<v Speaker 8>who rides by every day breaking the window is even
<v Speaker 8>in the last shot of the movie, is if he
<v Speaker 8>has some kind of Felinia altered ego.
<v Speaker 7>Don't use the word Fellini anywhere near this film.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 8>I really must apologize to Fellini and for doing that.
<v Speaker 8>This is a real bad movie. And I think you
<v Speaker 8>put your finger right on it when you said you
<v Speaker 8>could barely remember it. If I could, if I had
<v Speaker 8>totally forgotten it, I'd be a happy man.
<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about because Savage. Steve Holland responded
<v Speaker 3>to the Cisco and Ebert discussion. Oh really in one
<v Speaker 3>crazy summer.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you'll have to tell me about that. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you about that now? Before we do. I got to
<v Speaker 2>ask you a question. Yeah, these two movies are really
<v Speaker 2>part of a trilogy. You told me that just a
<v Speaker 2>bit ago, because I was looking and I saw that
<v Speaker 2>there was a third movie that came out after this.
<v Speaker 2>It was eighty nine. Eighty nine, Yeah, and it was
<v Speaker 2>how I got into college. And I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's got Laura Flynn Boyle in it. From Wayne's World
<v Speaker 2>and from what she was. She was in one of
<v Speaker 2>those lawyers. She was a lawyer and maybe one of
<v Speaker 2>the csis I think, Okay, And then no, she was order,
<v Speaker 2>law and order, that's what it was. Yeah, she was
<v Speaker 2>Jack Nicholson's hot side mama for all. How many girls
<v Speaker 2>could say that though?
<v Speaker 9>Right?
<v Speaker 2>But it also had Anthony Edwards in it, Top Gun, Yeah, Goose,
<v Speaker 2>But I never saw it. Is it good? It's good?
<v Speaker 2>Another underrated classic. It is very underrated. As you know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big proponent of nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 3>It is good. It's not better off dead good, but
<v Speaker 3>it's good.
<v Speaker 2>It's funny.
<v Speaker 3>It got buried between Roadhouse and Indiana Jones in the
<v Speaker 3>Last Crusade and then here comes did Poets Society and
<v Speaker 3>Riggs and Murtau and James Bond and it just got
<v Speaker 3>that Summer of eighty nine was so big, it just.
<v Speaker 2>Had no chance.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, but it is definitely worth a watch, and
<v Speaker 3>it's very funny.
<v Speaker 2>I like it a lot. So was this one that
<v Speaker 2>was in the HBO rotation as well or in VHS VHS.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say I can actually remember that the when
<v Speaker 2>I saw the picture, I was like, oh, I kind
<v Speaker 2>of remember this from the from the video store, you know,
<v Speaker 2>whatever it might have been.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny, it's definitely worth a watch. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>will tell you this How I Got into College. Also
<v Speaker 3>has Diane Franklin, Oh nice, Yeah, Taylor Negron, which we're
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about here in a minute.
<v Speaker 2>And Curtis Armstrong is in it as well. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>no John Cusack, but right, well obviously, well we'll talk
<v Speaker 2>about why on that one in a minute. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know, not only do do both of
<v Speaker 2>these movies have John Cusack in them, but they were
<v Speaker 2>both written and directed by a guy named Savage Steve Holland.
<v Speaker 2>Now his parents did not give him the name Savage.
<v Speaker 2>That was in fact a nickname. And uh, do you
<v Speaker 2>want another story this? Please tell? Okay, So he was
<v Speaker 2>an artistic little kid, you know, not a not a
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania kid like you might expect with that name. But
<v Speaker 2>he's playing soccer as a little kid, and some kid
<v Speaker 2>on the other team falls over and he accidentally kicks
<v Speaker 2>him in the face. Now, this kid had a loose tooth,
<v Speaker 2>which he then kicked it out, and of course, with
<v Speaker 2>you know, even when you're it's a loose tooth, there's
<v Speaker 2>still blood. And so this kid has lost a tooth
<v Speaker 2>is bleeding, and Steve, little Stevie Holland just starts crying
<v Speaker 2>because he thinks he's murdered this little child, and they
<v Speaker 2>and so Savage was a joke. It was like calling
<v Speaker 2>a big guy tiny, because he was anything but savage.
<v Speaker 2>He was just this you know, tenderhearted little kid who
<v Speaker 2>couldn't stop crying because he had hurt some other little kid.
<v Speaker 2>So the name Savage stuck. I love it. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>What can we talk?
<v Speaker 3>I mean before we dive into the drama involving Better
<v Speaker 3>Off Dead? Yeah, why don't you tell us a little
<v Speaker 3>bit about his history and how this movie came to
<v Speaker 3>be made?
<v Speaker 2>So this is it's a great story. I mean, he
<v Speaker 2>he's very much like the Curtis Armstrong character in One
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Summer, like the Atac character, he's a softer guy
<v Speaker 2>who has this kind of you know, heavy tough dad.
<v Speaker 2>But he when he was a kid, he fell in
<v Speaker 2>love with the idea of making movies when he saw
<v Speaker 2>a Planet of the Apes. He loved Woody Allen and
<v Speaker 2>how Woody Allen would put animation and other kind of
<v Speaker 2>weird comedy things in his movies. And so he would
<v Speaker 2>they had, you know, like the old cam quarters like
<v Speaker 2>you had, And he would make movies with his little
<v Speaker 2>sister as the star of the movie. And would you
<v Speaker 2>like to guess the little sister's nickname, Squid? That is correct, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>the little sister in One Crazy Summer is named after
<v Speaker 2>Savage Steve Holland's actual little sister.
<v Speaker 3>While we're here, that little girl says two words in
<v Speaker 3>One Crazy Summer. Actually, technically she says one word twice, right.
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, she says Bosco, which is of course the
<v Speaker 2>name of the dog. Yes, right, the uliest dog in
<v Speaker 2>the world.
<v Speaker 6>Right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he're some ugly kids in this neighborhood. That's a
<v Speaker 2>great scene. But so he's making movies with her, but
<v Speaker 2>he's having her do her own stunts, and she's getting
<v Speaker 2>hurt and she's like, I'm done with this. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>doing this anymore. And so he realizes that he's got
<v Speaker 2>to draw. He's so he does stop animation with his
<v Speaker 2>cam quord and he's animating pictures just like, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>both of these movies, your main character is an artist
<v Speaker 2>who's doing cartoons, right.
<v Speaker 10>Very autobiographical these two movies, right, And so he's doing
<v Speaker 10>that and he applies he wants to be a film director,
<v Speaker 10>of course, and so he applies to Cal Arts to.
<v Speaker 2>Get into their film directing school. And as you might expect,
<v Speaker 2>his family was like, is this really a good idea?
<v Speaker 2>Are you going to be able to make any money
<v Speaker 2>doing this? I mean, you're just a guy who draws
<v Speaker 2>dumb pictures. And his dad says, listen, if you get in,
<v Speaker 2>I will support you. If you don't get in, you
<v Speaker 2>have to go to military school. So once again, just
<v Speaker 2>like backac in One Crazy Summer, right, Well, he gets in.
<v Speaker 2>He's not you know, he's not like the best student
<v Speaker 2>in his class. He's not a George Lucas or Steven
<v Speaker 2>Spielberg from his class. But he makes this kind of
<v Speaker 2>dumb little black and white movie based upon a birthday
<v Speaker 2>party he had when he was eleven years old, and
<v Speaker 2>he literally calls it my eleven year old birthday party. Right.
<v Speaker 2>I look for this on YouTube. I cannot. I can't
<v Speaker 2>find it either. But he makes that movie, and then
<v Speaker 2>he gets out of film school and the only job
<v Speaker 2>he can get is with this brand new show that's
<v Speaker 2>even just like a sequence on another new show called
<v Speaker 2>Entertainment Tonight.
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, this is the et Entertainment Tonight.
<v Speaker 2>When it very first started, Yes, and they would have
<v Speaker 2>little animated bits that they did, and Savage Steve Holland
<v Speaker 2>was the guy who would animate those things. As it
<v Speaker 2>turns out, the producers of a new game show see
<v Speaker 2>some of the animation that he has done with this
<v Speaker 2>Entertainment Tonight show. Right, do you know the game show?
<v Speaker 2>I do? Can you tell the crowd what the game
<v Speaker 2>show is? That is called Press Your Luck? And if
<v Speaker 2>you don't know it from the name, you'll know it
<v Speaker 2>from Nomy's No Emmy's no w Emmy. Stop all right, players,
<v Speaker 2>just what we've all been waiting for?
<v Speaker 5>The big board over eighty thousand in cash up.
<v Speaker 2>They're waiting for you to take it away.
<v Speaker 7>One prize worth more than five thousand dollars.
<v Speaker 5>However, the bad news is there's some Wammies, both Tammy
<v Speaker 5>and Wemmy are up there looking to take away.
<v Speaker 2>Your money, big bucks, stop, stop at our whom He
<v Speaker 2>drew the as on that show, every single one of them.
<v Speaker 2>And if you if you don't remember from the show,
<v Speaker 2>if it's been too long, when they hit a whammy,
<v Speaker 2>there would be a different little scene of that whammy
<v Speaker 2>crawling across the screen, you know, laborating and doing something,
<v Speaker 2>bowing the yard, any number of things. And here's the
<v Speaker 2>other thing. He had to do it in twelve frames,
<v Speaker 2>like he had twelve frames to create that little story.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what he did with Wayman, and it paid
<v Speaker 2>him pretty good money, which will come up here in
<v Speaker 2>a minute, right right. And so with this dumb little
<v Speaker 2>black and white movie that he's got, he somehow somehow
<v Speaker 2>gets it as an opening for like the premiere of
<v Speaker 2>Eating Raoul. Okay, okay, so you remember the movie Eating Rawulf,
<v Speaker 2>Well they have the premiere and his his show is
<v Speaker 2>like the opening little short, right, some sad clown and
<v Speaker 2>the eleven year old birthday party thing right right, And
<v Speaker 2>he meant for it to be sad, right, so sad,
<v Speaker 2>but it ended up being really funny, kind of like
<v Speaker 2>killing yourself should be sad, but he made it funny,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. And so he has this dumb show that
<v Speaker 2>he does right, and he gets home. Back in the
<v Speaker 2>days when people had answering machines, he gets home and
<v Speaker 2>he has three hundred and sixty messages from people who
<v Speaker 2>have loved the show. Right, that's insane. Later that evening,
<v Speaker 2>same night that he's like on cloud nine because everybody
<v Speaker 2>has loved a show and he's gotten all these voicemails
<v Speaker 2>about how much everybody loves his show. His girlfriend breaks
<v Speaker 2>up with him right that same night, and so he
<v Speaker 2>goes back and he's like, I thought this was love.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>I can go on living without her, and he literally
<v Speaker 2>starts contemplating suicide. He thinks about hanging himself in the garage,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I should at least call Henry Winkler.
<v Speaker 2>Henry Winkler, Henry Wad the Fonds is one of the voicemails,
<v Speaker 2>one of the guys who's seen this premiere. He's one
<v Speaker 2>of the voicemails on his answering machine, and so he
<v Speaker 2>calls him up and he's like, listen, I loved it.
<v Speaker 2>I've got a spare office at my office. You can
<v Speaker 2>use the Xerox machine. You just come in and you
<v Speaker 2>just write whatever you want to write. And so he
<v Speaker 2>just kind of shows up. He's still kind of bummed
<v Speaker 2>out about his girlfriend breaking up with him, and Henry
<v Speaker 2>Winkler is like, so, what are you going to write
<v Speaker 2>about it? He's like, I don't know. He goes, well,
<v Speaker 2>you can do that the clown thing with the birthday thing,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like that was kind of the whole story.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, what's going on in your life and
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, I'm kind of suicidal because my girlfriend
<v Speaker 2>broke up with me. And Henry Wrinkler is like, great,
<v Speaker 2>right about that?
<v Speaker 9>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Well, so that is how we got the script for
<v Speaker 2>Better Off Debt.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. So Henry Winkler when he says, hey, come
<v Speaker 3>to my office that's on Paramount Campus, Yeah, that gets
<v Speaker 3>him through the gate.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, at this point, he's much more than
<v Speaker 2>the Fonds, Like, he is a producer and one of
<v Speaker 2>the shows that he produced stars a young actor named
<v Speaker 2>John Cusack. That's called the sure Thing. Sure Thing, Now,
<v Speaker 2>I love the sure Thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's a Rob Ryder movie. It's got Daphnine Zuniga
<v Speaker 3>from space Ball.
<v Speaker 2>Spaceball. Yeah, it's got Nicolette Sheridan. She's the sure Thing,
<v Speaker 2>right right. Anthony Edwards is in that as well, okay, perfect? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah he is. I know he's for you. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy who's he's talking to on the phone
<v Speaker 2>saying you need to come out here too. He's the
<v Speaker 2>guy saying, yeah, that's she's the sure Thing. Yes.
<v Speaker 3>And then you've got John Cusack, who's the leading man
<v Speaker 3>in that movie.
<v Speaker 2>First leading performance. Yes. So he's got this script. He's
<v Speaker 2>got this little black and white movie that he's done.
<v Speaker 2>But they can't get this script sold to anybody. They're
<v Speaker 2>showing it to all kinds of producers and directors and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. And so he's thinking, well, maybe if
<v Speaker 2>I just like write a do a short that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of a piece of this better off Dead idea, maybe
<v Speaker 2>I can do something with that. And so he knows
<v Speaker 2>Henry Winkler, the freakin' fund, the freaking Fonds, who's helping
<v Speaker 2>him out here, right, and he's like, Henry's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'll play a part in this little short film of yours.
<v Speaker 2>And so he's like some evil ice cream salesman or
<v Speaker 2>something in this, okay. And then in the process of
<v Speaker 2>trying to to get this film made, he's met several
<v Speaker 2>film directors, including Amy Heckerling, Amy Heckerling, Fast Times, Richemont
<v Speaker 2>High just got done directing it. She loves his stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and she's like anything I can do to help, And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, hey, Amy, I'm gonna make a short film.
<v Speaker 2>Will you be in the short film? So he has
<v Speaker 2>her act. Okay, Okay, so he has her act and
<v Speaker 2>so what he does is he makes this short film,
<v Speaker 2>this first date short film that's kind of a shorter
<v Speaker 2>version of The Better Off Dead right, and Amy Heckerling
<v Speaker 2>is the star. Now here's the beautiful part about this.
<v Speaker 2>She is dating a big time movie producer, and so
<v Speaker 2>whenever it's like, hey, my girlfriend's not directing but starring
<v Speaker 2>in this short film, he calls all of his producer
<v Speaker 2>buddies up and they all watch it together. And then
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, the offers start to come in.
<v Speaker 2>Guys from the breakfast club I think end up picking
<v Speaker 2>it up, but they don't end up shooting it. It's
<v Speaker 2>like up and down, as scripts tend to go. But ultimately,
<v Speaker 2>this guy named Michael Jaffe, who's produced a ton of stuff,
<v Speaker 2>he calls Savage Steve Holland and says, hey, I want
<v Speaker 2>you to doctor a script for me. You know, I'm
<v Speaker 2>trying to make one of these high school movies that
<v Speaker 2>everybod's so excited about. And so Savage Steve Holland meets
<v Speaker 2>with him and he's like, hey, you know, if you
<v Speaker 2>if you're talking to me because you liked my script,
<v Speaker 2>why don't you just make my script? And he's like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just can't see it. And Savage
<v Speaker 2>Steve Holland, being the artist, he's like, oh, well, it's
<v Speaker 2>okay because I've already got it storyboarded out, and he's
<v Speaker 2>got the whole storyboard and that's how he ultimately finds
<v Speaker 2>the producer for Better Off Debt. That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>So I just want to go back over this because
<v Speaker 3>he really is at the bottom floor on so many
<v Speaker 3>events like crisscrossing eighties pop culture. So you've got entertainment
<v Speaker 3>tonight number one, You've got Pressure Luck, which was an iconic.
<v Speaker 2>Eighties game show The Fawns.
<v Speaker 3>You've got the freaking Fawns in the early eighties. Who
<v Speaker 3>is a superstar at the time, Amy Heckerling, who is
<v Speaker 3>about to make maybe the most influential teen movie of
<v Speaker 3>all time, which probably gave us that run of teen
<v Speaker 3>movies that we got in the eighties, and then office
<v Speaker 3>on paramount and things are starting to happen.
<v Speaker 2>What going to start happening to me today? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's incredible just being there at that correct time, you know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And so of course Henry Winkler, having produced The Sure Thing, says, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I got the perfect kid to star in your movies.
<v Speaker 3>So I know the studio was nervous with John Cusack
<v Speaker 3>because the only thing he had been in that they
<v Speaker 3>had seen up to that point with sixteen Candles.
<v Speaker 2>Right where, he's a nerd. He's like the brothers and
<v Speaker 2>the twins that are just he's Farmer Ted's right hand man,
<v Speaker 2>who's a geek, a sidekick. He's a sidekick, right right.
<v Speaker 3>And you and I were laughing about the quote when
<v Speaker 3>farmer Ted knocks over that giant pile of beer cans.
<v Speaker 3>He turns around, he says, come on, I can't bring
<v Speaker 3>you anywhere this week, right, And then John Kyszack turns
<v Speaker 3>to his brother and.
<v Speaker 2>Says, real smooth Cliff.
<v Speaker 5>Very nice.
<v Speaker 2>We're five minutes and I'm gonna loss.
<v Speaker 9>Real smooth Cliff.
<v Speaker 2>He leaves, and that poor Cliff brother is just standing
<v Speaker 2>there now that he was in he was in better
<v Speaker 2>off dead. I know you told me this the other day.
<v Speaker 2>Who is he? So in the scene where you've got
<v Speaker 2>the you've got the math class where he's talking and
<v Speaker 2>it's just this no math that any human being would understand,
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's just entranced and they're all excited and laughing
<v Speaker 2>and volunteering and stuff. He's like, all right, now, if
<v Speaker 2>you'll get it, get out your assignments that I gave
<v Speaker 2>to you, answers to this paltry little problem that I
<v Speaker 2>gave you.
<v Speaker 3>You.
<v Speaker 2>Remember, there's a kid who like gets out this full
<v Speaker 2>sized suitcase, opens it up and has a dot Matrix
<v Speaker 2>printer in it. That's brother Cliff from sixteen.
<v Speaker 3>Sixty candis Yes, side note, Yes, I got into a
<v Speaker 3>college major where I shouldn't have been for a while, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>which required me to take math for majors. Right, And
<v Speaker 3>I looked around in my calculus for major's class and
<v Speaker 3>realized it was like that class, everybody was on top
<v Speaker 3>of it.
<v Speaker 2>Not this guy. Yeah, I can't identify with that I had.
<v Speaker 2>I had honors calculus my first semester in college, having
<v Speaker 2>never had any calculus at all, not pretty calculus or
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, okay, because I could figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I did in high school. I'll figure it
<v Speaker 2>out right. It was fine. And then the professor first
<v Speaker 2>day of class, he's like, now, I know a lot
<v Speaker 2>of professors will give you partial credit for your work
<v Speaker 2>even if you don't have the answer right. I don't
<v Speaker 2>do that. If you get the answer wrong, the whole
<v Speaker 2>thing is wrong. It doesn't matter how good your work is,
<v Speaker 2>because if you get it wrong. When you work for NASA,
<v Speaker 2>the shuttle flies into the sun, does nobody's gonna give
<v Speaker 2>you credit for your most of your work being right
<v Speaker 2>if it flies into the sun. I'm like, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>going to work for NASA. And then he asked to
<v Speaker 2>date your girlfriend. Yeah, so this is a little awkward.
<v Speaker 2>That's a funny running joke throughout Better Off Dead. It's
<v Speaker 2>great name.
<v Speaker 9>This is a bit awkward. I've heard a few things
<v Speaker 9>and well, I was wondering if you would mind if
<v Speaker 9>I took out Beth.
<v Speaker 2>Which, by the way, in real life Savage Steve Hollins's
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend broke up with him.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he became suicidal. I heard him mention that he
<v Speaker 3>went into his garage strung up a noose and when
<v Speaker 3>he tried to do the.
<v Speaker 2>Act, the wire broke.
<v Speaker 3>He landed on the trash can, busted the trash can,
<v Speaker 3>the pipe started leaking water on top of his head,
<v Speaker 3>and his mom came out and yelled.
<v Speaker 2>At was she the one that knocked him over while
<v Speaker 2>she was a vacuumating right, exactly?
<v Speaker 3>So serious thing, funny event, Yeah, you know, yeah, so
<v Speaker 3>I think that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, she was. I mean, we can't really
<v Speaker 2>switch over to one game. This is like a sequential thing.
<v Speaker 2>This is a nice deal when we have the same director, writer,
<v Speaker 2>same star. This is one thing happens and the next
<v Speaker 2>thing happens. And so the only jump that we're going
<v Speaker 2>to make from Better Off Dead to One Crazy Summer
<v Speaker 2>is they were in the middle of shooting One Crazy
<v Speaker 2>Summer when they watched Better Off Dead for the first time.
<v Speaker 2>And this is what we were alluding to before and
<v Speaker 2>John Cusack gets up in the middle of it and
<v Speaker 2>walks out to me.
<v Speaker 3>This is the biggest story of the entire two part podcast,
<v Speaker 3>the fact that John Cusack hated Better Off Dead so
<v Speaker 3>much that he didn't speak to his director the entire time.
<v Speaker 2>He makes one crazy summer right, like he confronted him
<v Speaker 2>after seeing Better Off Dead and says, you've ruined my career.
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you did this, which to me, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like, how are you filming the scenes in
<v Speaker 2>Better Off Dead? And you don't know what's going on? Well,
<v Speaker 2>not only that they're watching dailies together, right, it just
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense. Savagete vall and said they would
<v Speaker 2>go back to their room together, watch dailies together and
<v Speaker 2>laugh their asses off. So I heard John Cusack talk
<v Speaker 2>about this, and you know, he has said that in
<v Speaker 2>all movies that he watches, he's embarrassed by the movie.
<v Speaker 2>But then you know, that's just the way that it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's just you find the things that are wrong on
<v Speaker 2>it with it, and you tend to focus on those things.
<v Speaker 2>And he said, not about these movies, because I doubt
<v Speaker 2>that he's probably watched them again, but he says I've
<v Speaker 2>I've seen myself in movies and thought, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>I've done so terrible in this this is such an
<v Speaker 2>awful movie. And then years later i'll see it again
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, oh, actually, that was kind of a
<v Speaker 2>good decision. And so it's just it's human nature, you know, especially,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just got to think about it. You
<v Speaker 2>were a young kid. I mean he's early twenties, he's
<v Speaker 2>like twenty, Yeah, on the cusp of maybe being a star,
<v Speaker 2>and you do this kind of goofy movie. It could
<v Speaker 2>scare you, it could. I mean, if I was twenty,
<v Speaker 2>I could see myself being scared that. I get his fear.
<v Speaker 3>I do, because it's it's a one of a kind movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's goofy, it's absurd, it's oddball.
<v Speaker 2>But it's so.
<v Speaker 3>Sweet, right, and so cute. Yeah, it's basically irresistible. But
<v Speaker 3>I can see where he would be, you know, uncomfortable
<v Speaker 3>with it. Yeah, But to point the finger at him
<v Speaker 3>and say, you tricked me, you deceived me, Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>I hate you and don't freaking talk to me again.
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's twenty yeah, but that was also forty years ago, right, Yeah, No,
<v Speaker 2>I get that, and I think that he's kind of
<v Speaker 2>he's eased up on his reaction to it. But I
<v Speaker 2>mean that doesn't mean that he's going to go make
<v Speaker 2>friends with savage Steve Holland.
<v Speaker 3>Again, that bothers me. You know, I've got something for you. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>and wait, wait real quick before we go there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So he bawls out Savage Steve Holland, and then
<v Speaker 2>he follows this movie with Hot Pursuit right five point
<v Speaker 2>seven on I it's not good. I've seen it. And
<v Speaker 2>this movie that I've never heard of with him and
<v Speaker 2>Tim Robbins called tape Heads. I'm not seeing that. I'm
<v Speaker 2>so five point seven, like, I mean, he wasn't picking
<v Speaker 2>good ones. Anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Let me throw John Cusack a bone before I fix
<v Speaker 3>in a tear him down, right, Okay, So he does
<v Speaker 3>two movies I love Better Off Dead. I love I
<v Speaker 3>think it's eighties iconic, it's hilarious, it's fun, it's sweet,
<v Speaker 3>it's genuine, all these things. One Crazy Summer is also
<v Speaker 3>those things. He does those two crap movies. He then
<v Speaker 3>does say anything Right eighty nine, which you covered recently, Right,
<v Speaker 3>I just did that with Document seventy seven. I did
<v Speaker 3>it with Amber Lewis and Dayton Johnson. We had a
<v Speaker 3>great time discussing one of the most romantic movies of
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine. In fact, I'd love to cover it
<v Speaker 3>some time, maybe against When Harry Met Sally, two of
<v Speaker 3>the best romantic comedies of eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>Nice.
<v Speaker 3>He is so awesome in that movie, and he's not
<v Speaker 3>at all nerdy, goofball, It's sweet, genuine, it's yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 2>Just a great movie anyway. And then he does eight
<v Speaker 2>min out after that, right, eight min out was in
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, which is previous to that. Oh okay, so
<v Speaker 2>he did eight min out and then he did say anything, yes, okay, gotcha.
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, four years later, you're still playing a
<v Speaker 3>high school kid, which right, yeah, of course by Jay
<v Speaker 3>Fox was twenty five and back in the future. So
<v Speaker 3>before I give him all this crap, I'm just gonna say,
<v Speaker 3>is John Cusack the greatest actor of all time? Because
<v Speaker 3>he makes us believe that he is a lovable loser
<v Speaker 3>in all of these movies when maybe he's not so lovable,
<v Speaker 3>and he's definitely not a loser.
<v Speaker 2>He's definitely not a loser. I will tell you. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I've I've heard him interview in podcasts as a as
<v Speaker 2>an adult. I mean this was four years ago, you
<v Speaker 2>know that. And he's he is a man with humility
<v Speaker 2>who has said, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy that I am this lucky. He's also very intelligent.
<v Speaker 2>He is. I don't necessarily agree with the things that
<v Speaker 2>he says all the time, but he's you can't say
<v Speaker 2>that he's not well thought out. It's not educated, and
<v Speaker 2>somebody who speaks with humility and respect, And so I
<v Speaker 2>tend to think, hey, you know, he was a dumb
<v Speaker 2>kid when he was twenty, so was I Maybe he
<v Speaker 2>grew up a little bit, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So on that note, I want to I want to
<v Speaker 3>tell you something funny. Yeah, okay, So in say anything,
<v Speaker 3>he's pursuing the unattainable girl, right right and better off dead.
<v Speaker 3>He gets dumped by his girlfriend and stumbles upon this
<v Speaker 3>French exchange students and it's great fun. In one crazy summer,
<v Speaker 3>he stumbles into a romance that he didn't expect to happen.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm partially kidding, of course. Let me give you
<v Speaker 3>a list of women that he has dated in real life.
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, okay, So this lovable loser thing is not
<v Speaker 3>who he is, right, Okay, he has dated keep up now,
<v Speaker 3>Uma Thurman okay, Lily Taylor say anything?
<v Speaker 2>Oh got youa? Yeah, Claire for.
<v Speaker 3>Lannie okay, Maul Rats, yes, okay, Alison Eastwood Clint Eastwood's daughter,
<v Speaker 3>who's a babe?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Meg Ryan Wow, never can amble? Okay, Minie Driver
<v Speaker 2>all right.
<v Speaker 3>Jennifer love Hewitt Okay, right, yeah, Janice Dickinson the first
<v Speaker 3>supermodel okay, yeah, Brooke Burns okay, major babe all right,
<v Speaker 3>Gina Gershawn, oh hello, Jamie Gertz, Wow, Rebecca Romaine, Pamela Anderson.
<v Speaker 2>Gilbert, Oh my gosh, Ryl Crow okay, Susannah Melvoine, Oh wow?
<v Speaker 2>You remember her? Uh yeah, the sister of uh the
<v Speaker 2>other Melvoye from from Princess band Revere. Yes, Wendy Melvoyne,
<v Speaker 2>thank you?
<v Speaker 3>Uh Shoshanna Gross Does that mean anything to you?
<v Speaker 2>I think I know who that is too. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>She was Jerry Seinfeld's high school girl, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>smoking hot?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, any spears okay, yeah, probably in the heyday and
<v Speaker 2>not right now. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
<v Speaker 2>Those are famous women that he has dated d Gum,
<v Speaker 2>So he is the luckiest guy in the world. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he's he's doing well for himself. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So obviously we know that John Cusack is the star
<v Speaker 2>of both of these movies, but you have you have
<v Speaker 2>some other overlap in it. Curtis Armstrong is, yes, one
<v Speaker 2>of the overlaps, and then Taylor Taylor Negron. Taylor Negron
<v Speaker 2>is in both the Laura Waterbury's in both of them. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Rich Little is in both of them. He's he's he
<v Speaker 2>was in Better Off Dead? Where was he in Better
<v Speaker 2>Off Dead?
<v Speaker 3>Allow me to educate you on the cast of Dead? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>all right, yeah, so I just want to talk about
<v Speaker 3>it a few of these okay, real quick, Okay, John
<v Speaker 3>Cusack is Lane Meyer. How he almost got the part
<v Speaker 3>of John Bender in Breakfast Club? Okay, How different is
<v Speaker 3>his career if an eighty five he goes John Bender
<v Speaker 3>rather than Lane Meyer.
<v Speaker 2>Very different? I think, so too, right, Yeah for sure? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>David Ogden Steers is his dad. Mash Mash. That's it, Like,
<v Speaker 2>that's that. I'm like that. I immediately go to Mash
<v Speaker 2>all right, quick trivia question, Yes.
<v Speaker 3>What world famous animated character did David Ogden Steer's voice.
<v Speaker 2>He was the clock in Beauty and the Beast. That's right,
<v Speaker 2>Disney's Beauty in the Beat. That's love it, love it
<v Speaker 2>to see you out in the bout Madmoiselle. I am
<v Speaker 2>Cogsworth the household.
<v Speaker 3>This is a chante Chevy points for d Thank you,
<v Speaker 3>good job, all right.
<v Speaker 2>And then you have Diane Franklin, who is Monique Juneau. Yeah, hey, yes,
<v Speaker 2>something is wrong.
<v Speaker 4>How you say, doc head?
<v Speaker 5>He is an unlessh sex fiend Ricky.
<v Speaker 2>He will not leave me alone. He sinks because I
<v Speaker 2>stay here. I am his love. God. This is astre No.
<v Speaker 2>We know that she is the one of the princesses
<v Speaker 2>in the Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, she was in an earlier teen comedy called The
<v Speaker 3>Last American Virgin.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, did you ever see that? I haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 3>Pretty influential movie in the early eighties. Heartbreaking scene at
<v Speaker 3>the end, kind of a crusher at the end. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>And she's talked about this many times, but I mean,
<v Speaker 3>if you watch that movie, at the end.
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, oh my goodness. Okay, So don't give
<v Speaker 2>it away, don't spoil it for me. Her French accent
<v Speaker 2>she had done just prior to in a movie called
<v Speaker 2>Second Time Lucky. Okay, oh that was the one you
<v Speaker 2>sent me the picture of she looked good. Well, yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Kim Darby plays Jenny Meyer. That's his mother.
<v Speaker 4>In honor of our special guests, I've created dinner Mondu. First,
<v Speaker 4>we have French fries and French dressing and fronch bread
<v Speaker 4>and to drink.
<v Speaker 2>Peru. Do you know something about this?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>She was the little girl in True Grit. She was
<v Speaker 2>the little girl in True Grit. Yeah. That to me.
<v Speaker 2>I was bowled over by that. Yeah, that's awesome, the original.
<v Speaker 3>True Grit Wayne, Right, Okay. Now, Curtis Armstrong plays Charles Dumar.
<v Speaker 9>Listen to Styalin Kid.
<v Speaker 3>He's a funk.
<v Speaker 9>Now you show rock, you show him.
<v Speaker 3>Hawsteer really Steez, right, his best buddy who got the
<v Speaker 3>job because savag Steve Holland liked him.
<v Speaker 2>In Risky Business, Yeah, he had been in He had
<v Speaker 2>been in Risky Business in eighty three and Nerds was
<v Speaker 2>eighty four eighty four. He played Booger in Revenge of
<v Speaker 2>the Nerds. Right, Yeah, we had which is funny because
<v Speaker 2>we had just when I when I talked about One
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Summer with Jeff Johnson from the A Film By podcast,
<v Speaker 2>we had just gotten finished with Nerds versus Animal House. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I have some overlap with Animal House as well. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, so guys, that was a Patreon episode for
<v Speaker 2>a film Buy, but it's free, So I would encourage
<v Speaker 2>everybody go over to a film Buy. You just put
<v Speaker 2>your email in and you get that free episode with
<v Speaker 2>some other free episodes that they have. They do like
<v Speaker 2>a best of eighty six. I think they're trying to
<v Speaker 2>get eighty six of the movies. They just dropped their
<v Speaker 2>eighty sixth. Nice episode. Definitely go check that out. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>The girl who plays Beth in Better Off Dead, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's Amanda wiss Yep. Her claim to fame is she
<v Speaker 3>is the first person killed by Freddy Krueger in the
<v Speaker 3>original Nightmare in Elm Street.
<v Speaker 2>I knew I recognized her face from something.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's back when those movies were actually scary. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>she's climbed along on the ceiling. He's killing her and
<v Speaker 3>she's they're freaking out. They're watching her on the ceiling
<v Speaker 3>or like cuts start happening.
<v Speaker 2>On her body.
<v Speaker 3>And I first time I saw that, I was like,
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, that Beth and I can't remember what
<v Speaker 3>her character's name is, but she's the first person killed
<v Speaker 3>by Freddy Kirker.
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay. Now, then Aaron Doser plays Roy Staalin.
<v Speaker 6>Where looking really good today, Buddy, looking real good.
<v Speaker 2>He is the ski guy that steals Beth away from him.
<v Speaker 2>Is the best douchey bully like he he he's Johnny
<v Speaker 2>from a karate Kid level good seeing a boyfriend? How
<v Speaker 2>did this guy not get more John Lawrence parts? Well,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know because you told me. Like he he
<v Speaker 2>came into the audition as that guy, right, Yeah, like
<v Speaker 2>saw savage Steve Holland in his in his Hawaiian shirt.
<v Speaker 2>He says, he said, who's the chubby kid? And like
<v Speaker 2>showy magnum.
<v Speaker 3>P I over here exactly right, So listen to what
<v Speaker 3>he was up against. They were they were looking at
<v Speaker 3>Charlie Sheen for that part. They were looking at Chad
<v Speaker 3>McQueen we talked about in The Karate Kid.
<v Speaker 2>He played Dutch in The Karate Kid. Steve McQueen's son.
<v Speaker 2>He just passed away. I think this past year.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the matter, I mean, not here to address you.
<v Speaker 3>That guy was awesome in the Karate Kid and he
<v Speaker 3>could have been super scary.
<v Speaker 2>But listen to this.
<v Speaker 3>So here's what Roy excuse me, Aaron Doser, not Roy Stallin,
<v Speaker 3>the actor who played Roy Stallin, said they had hired
<v Speaker 3>somebody that he wouldn't name, okay, which tells me it's
<v Speaker 3>somebody famous, which is probably one of those two guys.
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't make pig noises.
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were gonna he couldn't ski. He couldn't
<v Speaker 2>make pig noise.
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't make pig noises. And as you know, in
<v Speaker 3>that part in the humiliating scene where Blaine is thrown
<v Speaker 3>out of the kitchen, he's like, we you looking really
<v Speaker 3>good today?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't make pig noises, and so they fired him
<v Speaker 3>because this.
<v Speaker 2>Dude could do it. Wow. I thought that was hilarious, man.
<v Speaker 2>So I think the best part about this is what
<v Speaker 2>happens to him later in life. No, he doesn't get
<v Speaker 2>any more starring roles. What happens to him tell me?
<v Speaker 3>He becomes a ski instructor for Boston College, their their
<v Speaker 3>ski team.
<v Speaker 2>He's a coach. That is fantastic. Asked me if he
<v Speaker 2>could ski before he did Better Off Dead. Could he ski?
<v Speaker 2>He could not. He couldn't ski.
<v Speaker 3>What he and Cusack went up a few days early
<v Speaker 3>just to get acquainted with skis.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is crazy.
<v Speaker 3>Better Off Dead leads to a coaching position in a
<v Speaker 3>Division one program.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, how about that? That is crazy. I thought that
<v Speaker 2>was fantastic. Oh gosh, Okay, okay. Now Damien Slade plays
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Gasparini. Is he he's the kid, He's the newspaper kid,
<v Speaker 2>two dollars cash, I don't have a dime, didn'tess for
<v Speaker 2>a dime.
<v Speaker 3>So that kid got the job because he played that
<v Speaker 3>as a serial killer.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it's that part of the movie is
<v Speaker 2>he's like the Stocking monster from a horror movie. He
<v Speaker 2>really is. He's the unstoppable killing him. He's like the terminator.
<v Speaker 2>He really is. It's fantastic and maybe maybe the most
<v Speaker 2>memorable line from the movie. If you see John Cusack
<v Speaker 2>on the street, you might just say, I want my
<v Speaker 2>two dollars. That is the line. He might punch in
<v Speaker 2>the face too, because I'm sure he hears it a
<v Speaker 2>million times a day.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so Damian Slade was twelve years old. Now get this,
<v Speaker 3>Here's the Here's the Kicker.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't know if you know this or not.
<v Speaker 2>His lines were looped. Okay, did you hear this story? No,
<v Speaker 2>his lines were looped. This is according to Die and
<v Speaker 2>Franklin by actor Yano Anaya. Okay, does that ring a
<v Speaker 2>bell to you? Was he in another movie that I know? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>Was it? Uh? Never ending story?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, then tell me. He played Michael Anthony in the
<v Speaker 2>Hot for Teacher video number one.
<v Speaker 3>As the kid as the kid. Okay, young Michael Anthony
<v Speaker 3>Hot for Teacher. He also plays Grover Dill in a
<v Speaker 3>Christmas story The Toady.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, wow, I didn't know it was the same
<v Speaker 2>kid as the as the Hot for Teacher video.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Wow, that's awesome. And he's one of the little
<v Speaker 2>Newspaper boy gang right yeah, when it's when it yet?
<v Speaker 2>And what a great scene that is, Like I didn't
<v Speaker 2>like they have their dramatic lighting coming up from it's
<v Speaker 2>so absurd.
<v Speaker 3>It's so absurd, but it's it's so funny. I just
<v Speaker 3>don't know how they pull it off, right.
<v Speaker 2>Scooter Stevens.
<v Speaker 3>The award for Best Name goes to Scooter steven who
<v Speaker 3>plays Badger his kid brother in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, not a single line in the whole thing.
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't say one single word, and manages to pick up
<v Speaker 3>trashy women everywhere.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I want that book. Sorry, just kidding, just kidding.
<v Speaker 2>He builds a laser, a space shuttle and picks up
<v Speaker 2>trashy women in the entire movie. That's whatever a twelve
<v Speaker 2>year old boy wanted to do.
<v Speaker 3>At that point, I think, all right, this, I'm hoping
<v Speaker 3>to blow your your your socks off here a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yugi a Kamoto, Yes, plays ye suk Ree? How
<v Speaker 2>would cow sell? Yes?
<v Speaker 3>Language lessons inspired words? Now do you recognize that actor? Okay, yes, well, shoot,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. He is in He's in Karate Kid too.
<v Speaker 3>He's the main bad guy, the main Yeah, he's the
<v Speaker 3>main bat that Daniel has. And then he comes back
<v Speaker 3>again in Cobra Kai like season two or three, I think,
<v Speaker 3>and and it's.
<v Speaker 2>He's he's a great part. He's a great part in
<v Speaker 2>that series too.
<v Speaker 3>He goes from this he's a goofball funny Howard Cosell
<v Speaker 3>impersonating Chinese guy to danielssn's nemesis.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he kills it because he's I mean he's
<v Speaker 2>a tall, good looking guy. He's tough, and he didn't
<v Speaker 2>fall for no crane kick, by the way, right does
<v Speaker 2>he falls for the but the and and here's another
<v Speaker 2>here's another interesting crossover for the movies. Right, that's not
<v Speaker 2>his voice doing the Howard co Cell voice. He is
<v Speaker 2>lip syncing to who to Rich Little? Who was? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if if you grew up in the eighties, you know
<v Speaker 2>who Rich Little was because he was the guy who
<v Speaker 2>did all the impressions. He was constantly on HBO doing
<v Speaker 2>stand up William Nelson, yes, and all the and Howard
<v Speaker 2>Cosell and John Wayne and all of those. But he
<v Speaker 2>is also the DJ in One Crazy Summer where they
<v Speaker 2>do in the big radio giveaway of a million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Weren't you just ask me a minute ago? He was
<v Speaker 2>in both movies. He's he is, he is in Better
<v Speaker 2>Off Dead. His voice is in Better Off Dead is
<v Speaker 2>Howard Cosell. And then he's the radio guy in One
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Ses That's correct, Yes.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, excuse Smiths as trolley us applying madam morphosis off.
<v Speaker 7>The lamee myer.
<v Speaker 5>I think the clown's more expecting to say hair and
<v Speaker 5>probably mount perhaps she'll can't tell us what what brought
<v Speaker 5>on such an unchesteding accelerate thing. Faint language lessons why
<v Speaker 5>which lesson inspired words from a man who knows how
<v Speaker 5>to escape?
<v Speaker 2>Now, then Laura Waterbury plays Missus Smith, missus, oh, missus
<v Speaker 2>Smith Ricky's mouth. Well, as we're discovering on our household,
<v Speaker 2>you don't need words to speak the uh.
<v Speaker 4>The international language, you know, love.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Ricky's mom, Gee, Ricky, I'm really sorry, mom, blew up.
<v Speaker 3>I guess you won't be able to eat any spicy
<v Speaker 3>foods for a while.
<v Speaker 2>She is awesome and better off that she's really good. Yes. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>and by the way, how about a real world foreshadowing
<v Speaker 2>of somebody putting all of their testicles all everybody? Sorry,
<v Speaker 2>what is it?
<v Speaker 7>No?
<v Speaker 2>I think it's testicals. It's actually testicles. So are we
<v Speaker 2>here yet? We're here? We're here, We're here now, say
<v Speaker 2>Dance Nighter now infamous Dance Snider. He was like top
<v Speaker 2>dog at Nickelodeon, did all those shows with the Manda Bynes.
<v Speaker 2>So I I saw, you know, obviously I saw this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Knew him from that, Yes, and then I loved Head
<v Speaker 2>of the Class, which was he was on one of
<v Speaker 2>the smart kids in the Head of the class. He
<v Speaker 2>was the chubby guy who was friends with the cool
<v Speaker 2>guy and they're all geniuses or whatever. And then later
<v Speaker 2>on in life, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's direking movies
<v Speaker 2>for Nickelodeon. Cool, that's exciting. He was a superstar Nickelodeon, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so then that Nickelodeon documentary whatever you want to
<v Speaker 2>call it, comes out. I didn't even see it. I
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it. I just heard about what happened. And
<v Speaker 2>then my kids, I mean, my daughter is thirteen. She
<v Speaker 2>watches the reruns of those shows, like The Victorious is
<v Speaker 2>one of the shows, and I Carly and Sam and Kat.
<v Speaker 2>She watches all of those shows, and I see that
<v Speaker 2>his name come up as director is one of those shows.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I recognize that name. Where do I
<v Speaker 2>know that from? And I look him up. I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's the guy from Head of the Class. Oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>what in the world. He is the guy who was
<v Speaker 2>sexually inappropriate with all of these young mostly female like
<v Speaker 2>asking for massages. And I don't I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>bad it got, but definitely not politically correct in today's
<v Speaker 2>world at all.
<v Speaker 3>Go if you, especially if you've got kids thinking about
<v Speaker 3>acting being in the entertainment world, go watch that documentary.
<v Speaker 3>It will open your eyes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, I mean, I know that girl from Sam
<v Speaker 2>and Kat is. Yeah, she's not not happy about that
<v Speaker 2>old experience. And you said a man to binds. I
<v Speaker 2>mean she was. She went way off the deep end.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she she That's a whole another podcast, right right, right. So,
<v Speaker 2>so Dan Snyder, Ricky Ricky Ricky in Better Off Dead
<v Speaker 2>becomes the director that is the source of all of
<v Speaker 2>the turmoil at Nickelodeon. Okay, let's separate that for just
<v Speaker 2>one second. Okay, let's look at it, because.
<v Speaker 3>He is hilarious and better Off Dead and I enjoyed
<v Speaker 3>that performance for a lot of years before I learned
<v Speaker 3>about the Nickelodeon stuff.
<v Speaker 2>He's we could still like oj and Naked Gun, can't.
<v Speaker 3>We absolutely totally nordburg But like he does funny things,
<v Speaker 3>like he snorts jello and he makes you know, he
<v Speaker 3>puts his tentacles all over Monique and uh, just he's
<v Speaker 3>really funny. And of course he has the ski pole
<v Speaker 3>sword fight at the.
<v Speaker 2>End of the movie. Yeah, you shouldn't upset mother. Here's
<v Speaker 2>the one thing. Okay, So they they redeem his character
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because after John Cusick wins the sword
<v Speaker 2>fight with Ricky and Ricky is laying on top of
<v Speaker 2>his mother, right, he gets his hand up by a
<v Speaker 2>nerdy girl. Right, yeah, mister golden opportunity. It should have
<v Speaker 2>been the girl that John Cusack was forced to go
<v Speaker 2>out on a date with, that was the daughter of
<v Speaker 2>his dad's off firm partner who had the yes, was like,
<v Speaker 2>you can pay this, you can pay this. How about
<v Speaker 2>you just getting will you take a check? Yes? If
<v Speaker 2>it was her, it would have been the perfect button.
<v Speaker 2>But it's just random geeky girl that we've never seen before.
<v Speaker 2>You know what.
<v Speaker 3>You're exactly right. That would have been the girl with
<v Speaker 3>the horrible intent on her face.
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's so funny. Okay, I got one
<v Speaker 2>more name for actually, I got a couple names for you. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So Taylor Negrin plays the Mailman. Yes, right, yep, he's
<v Speaker 3>in one of the guys that he's also in one
<v Speaker 3>crazy summer stand up comedian of He's now dead. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you know that.
<v Speaker 2>No, really, he passed away. But he's funny. He's one
<v Speaker 2>of the guys, is like Lane, I know you and
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know each other, but I remember this, right.
<v Speaker 2>Was he on the pee Wee Herman show too? Did
<v Speaker 2>he do pee Wee Herman stuff? Maybe? Okay, maybe, okay.
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the guys who asked Lane if he
<v Speaker 2>can ask out Beth. Right. I know, I don't really
<v Speaker 2>know you. What a great scene. Let me he's just
<v Speaker 2>walking down the road. Just dropped robbing Bill's opening stuff
<v Speaker 2>into the book Trashy Women pick Up Women. How about
<v Speaker 2>the name Chuck Mitchell as Rocko? Is that meaning thing
<v Speaker 2>to you? Chuck Mitchell is Rocko? Is he the big
<v Speaker 2>guy who owns the restaurant that he keeps running into
<v Speaker 2>his truck? Fat pig? Yes? Yeah, no, no, pet pig,
<v Speaker 2>Pat pig, hot pig. Right, gonna go wash my hands.
<v Speaker 2>I got a mold and packed. You wash your hands
<v Speaker 2>on your own time. Boy, Now get to work.
<v Speaker 3>So he's the one who gets like and throws him out,
<v Speaker 3>And that's you know, reckon, I say him.
<v Speaker 2>No, he plays Porky Porky's Oh that's right, Oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>it's been a dang minute since I've seen Porky's. Right,
<v Speaker 2>now that you say it. I forgot about that.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yes, okay, and I got one more name for you, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>E G Daily, Elizabeth Daily. Okay, she is the girl
<v Speaker 3>who is singing at the dance.
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I could have sworn that was ps. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so no, EG Daily, EG Daily. She's the one who's
<v Speaker 2>singing Better Off Dead. She's singing Better Off the theme songs. Yeah, okay, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>She does the voice for like Tommy Pickles, and she
<v Speaker 3>Rugrats and Powderpuff Girls.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. She's also Dotty in Peele's Big Adventure. Oh okay, okay, right,
<v Speaker 2>yeah Dotty. That's great.
<v Speaker 3>So I think that they missed an opportunity in one
<v Speaker 3>crazy summer. I mean, Demmy Moore is a bigger star,
<v Speaker 3>uh huh, But you can have a real singer.
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't at that point, though she is now, but
<v Speaker 2>she at that point, she wasn't like the she had
<v Speaker 2>just the year before, I mean a couple of years
<v Speaker 2>before she had done Blame it on Rio, right, but
<v Speaker 2>she was. She was the girl that nobody was looking
<v Speaker 2>at Demi Moore, that's right. And then she did. She
<v Speaker 2>did a small affair with John Cryer in eighty five. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>she did sand Almo's Fire in eighty five. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 2>like they're they're doing One Crazy Summer before sant Elmo's
<v Speaker 2>Fire comes out, right, I mean yeah, And by eighty
<v Speaker 2>six she's she's got about last night, she and st
<v Speaker 2>Elmo's Fire and and but what I'm saying is she
<v Speaker 2>wasn't much of anybody before that. That's right right before
<v Speaker 2>she blows up, right before she blows up right, unlike
<v Speaker 2>Creaky's mom, or just like Creaky. I can't really tell you,
<v Speaker 2>ab Okay, So that does it for the cast of
<v Speaker 2>Better Off Dead. Let us come back next time, start
<v Speaker 2>with the cast for One Crazy Summer, see the crossovers
<v Speaker 2>and the new folks who are awesome, and talk about
<v Speaker 2>some of the trivia behind that movie, this movie and
<v Speaker 2>maybe a sequel. I loved it. Yeah, okay, we will
<v Speaker 2>see you guys next week. Why okay, Now I gotta
<v Speaker 2>be okay.