#431 - Jordan Schmidt on Writing No. 1’s for Kane Brown, Lainey Wilson and Why He Didn’t Think "God’s Country" Was a Hit at First + Getting to Work with Mark Hoppus of Blink 182 + Getting Depressed after His First No. 1

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Speaker 1: And after that, I kind of went through this depression of like, what now. Now it's off the charts. Now I've got nothing. There's you know now I just have to work that hard again to get another song here.

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Speaker 2: Episode four thirty one. Songwriter producer Jordan Schmidt, all right. Some of his number one songs include Jason al Dean's You Make It Easy, You Make It.

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Speaker 3: Mitchell Tenpennies, Drunk Me, Kane Brown. He's got a few what ifs, what if the sky fall, Bury Me in.

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Speaker 2: Georgia, Bury Me and Georgia, and like I love country music, Baby love country.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll just do one more.

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Speaker 2: Blake Shelton's God's Country, which received a Grammy nomination and a CMA Single of the Win Boom.

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Speaker 3: Went Down and Charge your Body, Danny Sticker around, This is God's Country.

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Speaker 2: He earned himself a CMA triple Play, which they haven't officially announced it, but it's one of the big awards in country music.

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Speaker 3: Three number ones in one year.

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Speaker 2: He just finished up a bunch of songs for Tyler Hubbard, Mitchell Tenpenny, he writes listen, the Guy's awesome. He's a native of du Luth, Minnesota, picked up the guitar at age ten. By sixteen he was recording local artists where he was like kid producer, like kids can do the darnedest things. Twenty twelve, moved to Nashville and here he is singer, songwriter, dude, walker, talker, producer.

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Speaker 3: Is that pretty much it? It's a shirt wear? Here he is Jordan Schmidt.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, good to me. You have we met? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I think I saw you at a party with their good friend Abby for the Weggs and Walks.

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Speaker 2: So a party would not be a accurate representation of who I am. So what it was was the charity event.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's funny how we see it differently because I'm like, you probably go and have a good time with it. Generally I don't. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little bit of a hermit, so any any going out of anything is a party to me.

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Speaker 2: My hours are so wrongly adjusted, meaning wake up at three in the morning, that if it's at like seven, my party would be at three pm. I think, like I would have a party, it'd be three pm. It'd be done by five thirty, could have a nice sensible dinner.

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Speaker 1: Go home and watch Beef on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Yes. You know what's funny about Beef is that my wife and I really like that show. But we watched like half of it and then we never went back to it, but we really liked it.

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Speaker 1: Dude, you need to go It's weird so much crazy.

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Speaker 2: When you brought that up, Mike, if you say Beef.

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Speaker 3: I watched half of it and did not go back to it.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't because I didn't like it.

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Speaker 3: I just forgot about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I don't know where I don't want to spoil anything, but you know they have the camera, like the camera footage of him in the truck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, it goes so much further beyond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get into that then. So but okay that was your go to So you're watching it now? Yeah, we just watched it called Bodies. Have you seen that? What's that on Netflix?

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Speaker 1: What's it about?

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Speaker 2: Mike? You watch it? No? I haven't seen it. Brett. I was talking to Brett Eldridge last night, so my best friends and we hadn't seen each other for a couple weeks and we're just kind of debriefing, and I was like, dude, you got to watch Bodies. He goes, already watched Bodies, if we don't need to talk about it anymore until we see each other. And I think it's like a I think it's a Marvel. I think it's Mike. If you look it up, I think it's like Marvel or DC. I think I don't know the comic difference. I like them. But it's three different timelines where the same dead body is shown shown up naked and dead in an alley, and it's you're following the three cops in like eighteen ninety, nineteen forty today. Wow, dude, it's awesome. Yeah, if you like that stuff. Have you seen Runway into the World. What's it called, Mike? We have the world behind?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I just watched that. That's the it's like new on Netflix, right, Yeah, I just watched it.

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Speaker 2: That was thoughts.

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Speaker 1: It was really it wasn't what I expect.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I do this new thing now where I don't like to read too much or see too much of a preview or you know, it's like I'm like ten seconds of a preview and I'm like, all right, I'm in, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Do you write Tomato though or IMDb?

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Speaker 1: I will I do well, you know, like on Apple TV, it'll show up automatically, so and you know, I try not to pay too much attention to that because they've been wrong quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: And you can manipulate it. Because my show Breaking Bobbie Bones has like ninety with thousands of votes. It's like because I told my audience to go and rate it high, right, so it's very easy to manipulate. I'll never got a hit. Yeah, I mean supposedly that happened, totally legit, So no, it was a snake in the grass or Breaking Bybones. I think it was snake in the grass and I was Breaking by Bones. Yeah, what'd you think your review?

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Speaker 1: I loved it. It did not It did not like go where I thought it was going to go, you know, I thought it was going to be one thing, and it kind of turned into this whole craziness.

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Speaker 2: So I loved it me too, and I loved how I continue to think about it afterward, and I'm still thinking about it today and I'm still thinking not so much about it, but what the scenarios would be, could be, how I would there's a world on TikTok about It's like I loved that I get.

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Speaker 1: I get into that too, and then I you know, I start prepping and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, prepping as for the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we're prepping. We're not. We're not prepping. We're not going to survive.

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Speaker 2: I would laugh. But I've had my experiences of whenever the bird Flew was about to be a big thing, I had I built up a whole closet like waters soups. I mean it was I'd spent Now I want to build a bunker. Here. There are codes apparently, like not a code to like start the game or get the cheat final level, but like to the city. Yeah, don't and they're like not gonna, okay meet putting a bunker in.

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Speaker 1: So but they shouldn't know about that.

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Speaker 2: That's my point. The problem is you can kind of see the some of the yard and the neighbors. It's just like, if I'm gonna spend all this money on a bunker and then I'm told halfway through, when I'm visited a bunch of money in a bunker, you can't do it anymore, then I just wasted all this money, right building a secret bunker. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, funny story, we uh my wife and I bought a house on on top of this hill and it was, i mean, like the most beautiful view right above Richland Country Club, and you know, it was like a we had to gut this thing and start over, but we just loved the view.

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Speaker 2: Did you live in it while you got it?

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Speaker 1: No? No, And we ended up selling it after we gutted it because it was like we had a kid on the way and I was like, I'm not going to spend two years, you know, redoing a house. But while they were gutting it, one day, there was a bookcase at the bottom of the stairs and they took a sledgehammer to it and the thing popped dope and and there was a I mean, it was pretty scary. There was a giant bunker that looked like a murder scene. So I'm sitting here like, oh my god, we have a John Wayne Gacy home. There's bodies, there's this, I mean.

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Speaker 2: We found the hole where they were hiding the bodies and doing bad stuff to the bodies.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was creepy. We even so it happened. We called it the Mother's Day Massacre because it happened on Mother's Day and like We're like walking around the neighborhood like what are we going to do? We're we can't live here. If people were murdered here, we can't live here.

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Speaker 2: Was there anything in it though, because because.

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Speaker 1: There was red stains and there was a weird creepy chair and duct tape. Yes, I mean it looked so bad. And so we were like, okay, this is you know, we're gonna lose our money on this. This is so bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you shut it back and never mentioned it mentioned to you.

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Speaker 1: So we ended up having the the Nashville CSI team come out, and I mean they were there the next day. They were like pumped they you know, we like meet them there. I'm like scared.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine I'd be pumped to all they're doings, like seeing if this was really Johnny Cash's guitar, Well, now they could do a real murder.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, I was more. I was more like I don't want to get in trouble if this is nothing like.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I promise. Yeah, And they're like no, no, no, we have to come out to these things were we're kind of hoping it is, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like thanks, so do they give you the results.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they went down, they loomin all the whole thing. I mean, so when they went down, they're like with their flashlights. They're like, oh, yeah, this looks bad. This looks really bad. And I'm like, oh, great, awesome, and they're asking us to stay out. And then they loomin all and it was nothing. It wasn't blood, it wasn't anything like that. And it turns out it turns out it was a gun range wait below that in this bunker. I mean, it must have been thirty yards long, all concrete. It had the you know, the little landed metal slat that you shoot against.

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Speaker 4: And uh.

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Speaker 1: We later found out from some neighbors that they knew it was there because they had gone shooting down there. But the people we bought the house from they did not know that it was there. So when they.

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Speaker 2: Sold it, they.

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Speaker 1: Lived in it for eleven years and never knew was there. And I'm not even lying to you. I got this weird feeling from the house and I just thought it was because you know, it was like a big empty house. That that's why I got this weird feeling. And after that room was discovered, feeling went away. It was like, I don't know, It's like you could just sense there was a secret about it. It was bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Did you get your money back on the house or did you lose a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little bit. It was it was nice great lost a little bit, yeah, you know, because we ended up finding the house we wanted and we bought that, you know, and the mark is just kind of bad right now.

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Speaker 2: So timing, timing gots you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Timing got us a little bit, but.

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Speaker 2: It has to be, you know, a lot easier when you're wildly successful.

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Speaker 1: Well I mean easier I don't know, but at least I can do it.

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Speaker 2: They haven't officially confirmed it yet since it's doing the Spring, but the CMA triple play, and we've talked about it with some of the other folks that have come in. It's a very very select Yeah, few people that have gotten it. I mean, Nicole I think has gotten it. Gallony, I mean like four or five of the five.

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Speaker 1: Corly is about to get one, or maybe he's gotten one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You may have to check that too, except he probably gets one a month. But yeah, no, congratulations. I was just looking at the songs and the dates waiting the truck, which was April twenty third, Bary Me in Georgia, September tenth, Watermelon moon Shine, October fifteenth. That's that's triple play right there. Yeah, congratulations, thank you. It makes it makes that bunker that ten grand lost in that bunker a lot easier. So are are you a couple of questions? Are you in your mind in anyone's first layer of my camp? And who would that be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know, when you start out in Nashville, you kind of you know, you go out and you meet your people, and you find the people you like writing with and the artists that are just coming up and kind of create your little clique. And so like, you know, Mitchell Tenpenny, he's my homie. I started out in the Florida, Georgia line camp. So me and t Hub and BK like we go way back. And yeah, I mean you know those are like those are like the core people. And there's like so many writers, uh Andy Elbert and Hardy I mean Hardy and I go way back, and so we all kind of came up at the same time. So those are like my my go to.

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Speaker 2: People whenever did you know two of these cuts are Cane cuts, Singles cuts and number ones. Yeah, wait in the truck and bury me in Georgia. So are you and Caine on a personal level where he'd be like I got an idea, let's do it? Or were you just happened? But that just a timing thing where you just were working a lot together at that time.

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Speaker 1: Know Cain and I are, We're yeah, we're good buds. I love Kane. He is like, you know, I got to be there from the very beginning of Caine's career and just to see how it's turned out. I'm like, I'm so happy that I knew him way back then, because I'd be way more intimidated by him now, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's I'm like thankful for that because I do have a personal relationship with him where I can send him songs or you know whatever, and he can be like, yeah, that sucks, and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna hurt myself. At least, you know, he's my buddy.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to go lock yourself in the dungeon at the house that you don't own anything. Right, that's a good point about Kane. I love Kane. Yeah, Caine's my friend.

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Speaker 1: He's the best.

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Speaker 2: And if I and early on I didn't understand Kane.

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Speaker 1: That was I think a big thing early on for a lot of people. You know, he's just quiet.

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Speaker 2: He's so quiet, and you think somebody that has any success or talent or has a job that is very outward, like you almost don't think I would put carry in this category two that you almost don't feel like And this is gonna sound stupid, but like wait, wait, you don't deserve to be quiet. You must just be mean, right, you must just be stuck up. But it is just not the case. Like like you said, I've like Cane, and I well, that's like my dude and so or one of my dudes. I mean, it's like a lot of dudes. But you know what I mean. But I would have thought Kane was just very much I'm famous, I don't want to get I'm not gonna be very generous with you with words. But then you realize he's actually just a kind, shy guy, right.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. Like I knew him before he was you know, I mean, he was still kind of like a viral thing. Yeah, nowhere near what he is now. And he has not changed one bit.

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Speaker 2: I hear, you're absolutely right, which has been Kane, which is wild because even I've changed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard hard not to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look at my watch, you know, you look at your watch, you know, let me get those things. I was looking at your watch, saw that don't don't rob me, man, So congrats on that. Do you feel like I guess as I was looking at your body of work, like a lot of your songs because people know them. But Nashville is interesting because it's a lot of co writing and sometimes unless you're really in it, you're writing with this person or you're writing with another person, it's kind of hard to identify the chain of all the work. And you're producing at a level too that's really crazy, and the producer gets no shine, right unless it's super industry related. When did you feel like that page kind of turned for you where it was not you begging or asking to work with people, but people were asking you to work with them.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's a good question. You know. I guess like how I got my start was through the production, so you know, I'm the track guy in the room. And you know, that's like, I guess, the equivalent to a editor when it comes to writing. You know, it's not the most glorious position. And people are quick to think, oh, yeah, he's just track guy. Like I've heard that before with other track people. You know, they're just track guy. And I love producing. That's you know, it's I truly do love it. But I also love writing songs and lyrics. And I was obsessed with poetry as a kid and writing lyrics, and so it was always like at the beginning, now Nashville is kind of changing, but at the beginning, it was like, oh, you're just a track guy. And I'd get in the room with these people and they'd be like, oh, you're not just a track guy. You can write, And you know, I think that's after a couple number ones, people kind of start realizing that, you know, well there's a common denominator in some of these and every time I'm writing with him, he's contributing, And I guess it just funda mentally for me. I'd say four years ago started turning into this like now I'm a songwriter and I do the track and yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of when it started turning. And now I think people know me as a writer.

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Speaker 2: And you're not having a call and be like, I'm just looking for somebody to write. Now, I would assume, just with your success, both production and writing, that people are trying to get in with you more than you're trying to get in with other people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you know, I'm always trying to get in with with great artists, and a lot of them are my friends, and you know, like I want more rights with big artists and whatnot. But at the end of the day, I found that knocking on their door isn't as powerful as them knocking on your door, and I take the latter approach. I just would rather somebody say, hey, I want to work with him.

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Speaker 2: You know, what's your quintessential hustle story in Nashville though, because we've all had I think I used to fly to California every other weekend and I would lie to them and tell them I lived there and go and do lunches or interviews for little spots on TV shows I've never seen. I mean, I was just going. I was, and I get flight sick. I mean it was just miserable. I was tired of doing that, but I would never tell anybody. I just wanted to exist. So I was hustling. I was going to having eight meetings a day, killing myself. To me on the TV side of it, like that was my hustle story before I started to have some actual success in that space. What is like your Nashville hustle story.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was when I met Buka from Florida, Georgia line. That was like, that was the first time that I was like, oh, like, I'm I'm scratching at the top, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that was that was where was he or where were they? Where was he?

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Speaker 1: They were just they were just releasing the second record, so you know.

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Speaker 2: So they popped hard. Yeah, yeah, they just popped pretty hard.

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Speaker 1: Ye really, So I was like, Okay, I'm actually I'm I'm scratching at the surface of the top here. And and b K was looking for a track guy for his non existent publishing company at the time, and my buddy hit him up on Twitter. He responded to my buddy, My Buddy's like, here's his email address, send him some songs. So I did that, and then I just didn't stop. I just song after song after song and just showing him how bad I wanted it. And you know that did lead to a publishing deal.

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Speaker 2: You were sending him songs, Yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: Songs that I had done, and I was writing every day with whoever I could write with and sending him instrumentals for him to write to, just kind of showing him that I wanted. And that was like the first That was like the big hustle. That was six months of doing that constantly, you know, and then it all kind of they opened up a bunch of doors and you're we.

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Speaker 4: Are hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: You're playing music. You're playing guitar at ten eleven years old?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how and why did you start playing guitar? Was somebody playing it around the house?

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Speaker 1: Uh? My parents were. They're both musicians. They they had a cover band, like an eighties cover band growing up, and they were like the biggest thing in my hometown of Duluth, Minnesota. So I grew up going watching them. I loved I loved all that I thought I wanted to be a rock star. Fell in love with Blanquin, eighty two, wanted to do that, you know, got into punk for a long time, and then I went out on one tour.

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Speaker 2: Yes, say, did you ever do Warped Tour? Anything there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we played we played Warped Tour. Yeah, yeah, exactly, But yeah, I did one tour and you know, in a van with six disgusting dudes, and that was enough. I was like, now I don't want to do this. And I was I was like producing all the records we were doing out of necessity because the lut and Aba recording studio, what are you doing it in your rown?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Some of it. And then my dad was into recording, and so he was actually probably one of the first people in Minnesota to have a computer recording rig with Q based and so I kind of just would watch him work, and I mean, you know, he was trying to figure it out too, but he's kind of nerdy like me, and he loved to try to figure it out. And then when he was at work, I would just sit there on that computer and play with sounds, and I started falling in love with that aspect of it. And so once I did that first tour, I was like, no, that's what I want to do. I want to be a computer yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or that I don't want to be in advand traveling.

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Speaker 1: Maybe more of that, but I know I want to be in music.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you were at Plant, whenever you had the dreams of being in a band, where you what were you doing? I was going to ask it, yeut so. But but see, that's that's odd that frontman disease didn't didn't stay like it's still on ness with somewhere in there.

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Speaker 1: You know. And it's so funny because like seeing my friends and and some artists that I've worked with, you know, huge artists. I just see what they have to do, and I'm like, god, I would have hated that. Thank God that I did not go down that road.

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Speaker 2: Because especially early on, oh my god, or I say early on, maybe it's it could be all all time if you never hit that level, right, because.

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Speaker 1: It's an it is a grind, and it is you know. I think the what people see and what goes on are just two wildly different things.

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Speaker 2: It's like live Instagram, right, always seeing what really happens.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Again, there's just some parallels. You're way more talented than I am, but it's like I worked in pop and hip hop, and I worked in alternative, and I did sports and do sports again. And I've always felt and now it's becoming more normal that, you know, genres only exist for the companies to be able to sell. Right, It's not like we listen in any sort of boundary. But when you're talking about Blank being such an influence on you, and I was looking at some of the early stuff that you had produced, and it's like, like that Metro Station, Like I used to love metro stations. Yeah, yeah, and so where those guys local near you? Like, how do you get with a metros? Like all Time Low, which All Time Low stuff came back again last year because they were going after I mean everything on TikTok lives on Lives Lives again. Right, Metro Station used to play a lot. Yeah, they were shake shake shake yeah. Motion City soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: That's how I met the Metro station guys. And I just did that one, that one song, and I hardly even met them, I think.

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Speaker 2: So, But they weren't like local guys like your.

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Speaker 1: Motion City soundtrack was got it And so when I uh moved to Minneapolis, I kind of I got connected with them and then through them. You know, I got to do a record with them with Mark Hoppis from Blank Win eighty two.

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Speaker 2: Cool for you?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was a dream come true.

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Speaker 2: It was what was that like?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's incredible, he's so funny, He's exactly what you want Mark Hoppas from Blank n eighty two to be. And you know they always say don't meet your heroes, but he was one that I was like, Yeah, he's a good dude.

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Speaker 2: I love Blank. Mike's a massive Blink.

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Speaker 1: Fan, massive fan. Yeah, Oh dude. The best concerts I've ever been to seeing him last year with Tom DeLong back. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Even how many times have you seen them last?

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Speaker 1: That was the only time?

00:24:06
Speaker 2: Got it?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: See I saw him Pop Disaster tour. I think that was two thousand one or Jimmy Green Day. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: How do you handle yourself the first time? Do you tell yourself I'm not going to geek out? Or do you go hey, man, I'm just a massive fan.

00:24:22
Speaker 1: What did I do? I think I tried to play cool, but me playing it cool is like me being quiet. Then I can I hate myself because I'm like, you're not quiet? Shut up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you can when you're quiet, people can interpret a lot of different things, right, even with Kane. I'll be like, Kine is not nice, right, But Kane's like, I'm gonna be quiet because maybe they're not nice, right, And then you're all confused on why everybody's act. Then it's bad. I mean that's the same thing with I mentioned with Carrie. Like I find on TV, Carrie is a ball of fire. It's funny, quick in person, and I do know her well enough now to know that she doesn't hate me. She just doesn't talk.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hurd was that way with me.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, Ryan, for sure.

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Speaker 1: About two years I was like, this guy hates me. And then one day he was like, you want to come over and play Golden Tea And I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's exactly your friends. He's like, you want to play golf and I'm like with you or just like generally, and he's like And then about the fourth time we'd hang out, I was like, this is just your baseline. I get it. What would they say about you? Though? Oh god, yeah, I love Ryan too. But Ryan's like, he's.

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Speaker 1: Such a good dude. I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, as a dude, what do you think they would say about you if I had Ryan here and I could call Ryan. But if you're here and he knows you're here, he's going to say things. He's gonna be funny. But let's say you weren't here and I said, hey, tell me about Jordan. What Ryan say?

00:25:50
Speaker 1: I think he would say that. I think anybody I work with would say that I care about what we do when we're writing and producing, and I never phone it in. And that's kind of my baseline is like if you just never phone it in, you can always I don't know, just because like when you have success, then you're like, it's because I worked so hard and I'm just gonna keep working so hard and show everybody that, like, that's what I do and that's what I care about, and and so a lot of people, especially like Rian, he would definitely say yeah. He you know, he likes to go above and beyond because you know, I'm the one nitpicking and editing, and you know, Ryan will be like, it's fine, we got that line, and I'm like, but do we could it be better? Can we try this? Can we do? You know?

00:26:43
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because I experienced some of those anxieties of I feel like I've only gotten here because I worked really hard and I'm not that talented. Yeah, like I do, I feel that way in my heart. My wife tries to talk me down. I mean, I'm going to therapy when this is as imposter big time? Right. So how much of that situation like that you brought up is your sensibilities where you're like you're perfectionists, you'll be intro or how much and how much of it is God? If your I would say fear, if I don't work harder and do even more than I think I should right now, maybe that's not enough.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess the way I feel is that if I phone stuff in and I get success, now it's pure chaos, you know what I mean? Where like if I just tried my hardest every time and there's success, I can I can say it's because of that. If it's if it's uh, you know, if it's happening no matter what I do, then it's just it's like, wow, there is you know, we are spinning out of control. There's nothing real. I don't you know what I mean?

00:27:50
Speaker 2: I do now when you say that, it's almost like what it's almost like, what's the what's that purpose then? Because I'd understand if it's successful, I put work into it. But if I'm able to not do hard work and it blows up, what's the value of even hard work?

00:28:02
Speaker 1: Exactly?

00:28:02
Speaker 2: Why would anybody do hard? But I would question that, although I would like to be able to question that. It'd be really cool if something happened easily.

00:28:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I love you know, I mean writers all the time or artists that it feels like they don't try very hard and it just works. And I'm kind of jealous of that, but I wonder.

00:28:18
Speaker 2: If they feel like they try hard though maybe it's all maybe maybe like the hardest you've ever tried in your life is probably trying hard for you, regardless of what it is. If the hardest I've ever tried is me trying hard, but then you look at me and you're like, well, he doesn't really try the hard in comparison, so to you, it doesn't look like I try hard. But if to me, if I'm trying hard and it works out, I think that's what it is. But I guess it's just all relative.

00:28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, it is, And I you know, like Ernest. He can walk into a room and he can. I was just Mitchell was telling me he just did a vocal for Brooks and Dunn or something, and he walks into the studio, goes to the booth and just takes off his shirt and starts singing and like crushes it. And I'm like, God, I wish I could just be that guy, you.

00:29:04
Speaker 2: Know, the thing he makes it look so and so many different things he does, and like even when he's like just doing his hip hop stuff, yeah, like it's not the same. It's like it's a little bit, but it's not. But he's also so good at that. But you're right, But I'm gonna take this back something you said earlier. A lot of times we see people doing stuff easy, but we don't really see the stuff that's happening right right, the hard work see Iceberg. Yeah, and the underneath the tip of the water is all of.

00:29:30
Speaker 1: That right well, you know, And I know people say that to me, they're like.

00:29:34
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that about you.

00:29:35
Speaker 1: They'll say they'll say it about my production, Like god, you just like you're so quick, you know exactly what you And I'm like in my head on panic, like, oh God, Oh God, they're gonna tell me. You know. I just heard a funny story about Kanye that my buddy was working with him and he played him a track and Kanye was like, this is the dopest track ever. You are a god. Everybody in the room pay attention to this guy. And then he's like, play me another one. So he plays them another one and Kanye is like, you need to delete that right now, and he actually made him drag it to the trash, empty the trash, and he's like, you never wanted to play that for anybody, trust me. And I'm like, that's my fear. My fear is that everybody's gonna Kanye me.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: But what if you get the first Kanye but you also get the second Kanye?

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, are you back to even?

00:30:23
Speaker 2: Are you still ahead in your mind?

00:30:24
Speaker 1: No, I'm like far below zero at that point that one negative interaction would cancel out like a hunting Yeah.

00:30:31
Speaker 2: I mean you ever on my TikTok. You know, I have the things that I look at. So what feeds me music stuff, nineties, wrestling stuff, sports stuff. I get a lot of Rick Rubin, Oh yeah, love Rick me too, Because as I talk about people that have varied interests and styles and creation techniques. I mean, that guy has done it all, from the Bac Boys to Tom Petty Wildflowers, right, and I mean every kind of thing in between. He doesn't look like he's supposed to look. He you know, was this big. It's not as big anymore. We do like this big hairy fat dude. This vegans yeah who but he know me? So everything about him was wrong, at least from what you expected. But I love Rick Rubin because of that.

00:31:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he what I like about him is I feel like I don't even know, like you know, you're not gonna read an interview or watch one where he's like, you know, technically I was sure sitting there bubble. You know, it's like I had to get into the artist's head, you know, that kind of thing where it's it's so much more of like this mental game and like, uh, connecting with people and creating a vibe. And you know, I like to think I do the same thing.

00:31:47
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you about that, the psychology being a producer, Yeah, because that's where I was leading. But you but before I forget this next thought, I was watching Rick Rubin talk about artists in general and when they create and how they base a lot of their worth on if it does well or if it doesn't. And I watched him for like four minutes talk about how he recommends that people create when they create there it's a it's a journal entry for themselves mm hmm, because regardless of how good it does, it's still an accurate representation of what you are and what you did. And some journal entries are just more interesting than others totally, even in life.

00:32:25
Speaker 1: And like especially today with with all the social media and TikTok driving the music business, it seems like.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: Like weird algorithms that we don't know.

00:32:34
Speaker 1: Right right, and it's just kind of like I feel like the days of like, oh, that song's a hit, I know it, I know it. I think it was like maybe Old Town Road that kind of busted that door down where it's like, who would have thought that was a hit? I mean, one of the biggest songs of the decade. Who would have thought that was it? Like I don't think anybody would have called I don't even think Lil nas X would have called that, you know, And so I think think now it's kind of opened this door to like, you know, there are obviously songs we know sound hiddie, but I find most of the time those are the ones that don't do anything. And then you know, the the ones that that to me didn't seem that hittie or seem weird or whatever, those ones become the ones. And and so that happened to me with God's Country, where I didn't think it was that hitting. I thought it was really cool.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask is it because it felt and I don't want to say different, because it does feel different. It's how would I just because the first time I heard it was just like dark. It was like it was like it was like layered in a way of wall of sound type stuff back in like like Wrecking Crew, but you had like howls, and yeah, it felt like that in a way that no other song felt. Where I also was like, wow, I wonder if this was Blake, if it would have even been given a shot because it was so different.

00:34:03
Speaker 1: I mean, it was supposed to be Hardy. I mean when we left the room and I sent them the demo, Hardy was like, you know, I want to hold this, this is for me, you know, And I was like great, you know, job well done. And again it's not that I didn't like it. I just I wouldn't have thought like, oh, that's a smash, you know. I would have been like, that's a really cool song. And there's like different.

00:34:25
Speaker 2: Goal doesn't always know it's commercially successful.

00:34:28
Speaker 1: For the most part, it never does, so, especially when we're trying to call it. So yeah, you know, there's just like the days of you know, and also because there's so much external pressure as far as the social media and and kids driving numbers that make hits. Now it's kind of turned into this like you know, the A and R job of like I'm going to pick the hit and like we're just gonna have radio play it, and.

00:34:57
Speaker 2: They're almost force it hit.

00:34:59
Speaker 1: You get almost force it and and you know obviously in the payola age way back when, but that's kind of gone and it's like now it's literally just you're gonna throw a demo out on TikTok and if you start building numbers that that's a hit. And it doesn't matter what it sounds like, that could be a hit. So I can't remember where I was going with all that.

00:35:24
Speaker 2: Well, the last thing about the Rick Rubin stuff is that. That's exactly what he was saying, was you. It's so it's more unpredictable now than ever before because everybody has a shot, but also nobody has a really good shot anymore, even if it's great crazy, but some people that have bad stuff have a good show. So it's so unpredictable that as long as you're doing what you're doing for you, yep, like that's it and you just have to move to the next page if it doesn't work.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: And that's yes, that's how I feel. That's exactly what Rick Rubin does. I feel like that's I totally I can like I get that. I'm I'm the same way, like, let's just make what we think is great. The world will decide if it's great or not.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: And because they decide nothing, it doesn't mean it's not.

00:36:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it is what it is. And there are records I've done that you know, nobody's ever heard of, and I'm like, that's one of my favorite records I've ever done.

00:36:21
Speaker 2: You ever have to get into the the confidence of an artist and be like, hey, like you you're actually good. I like, if they have what we're talking about a little bit of imposter syndrome, and it's now time for them to perform, and they're maybe not getting to that level you know they can get. Do you ever have to to get them with some coach k type stuff? Some Yeah?

00:36:41
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, especially having friends that that I've now seen that have started at the bottom and blown up. You know, there have been those moments where it's like we're almost like having an intervention, like you okay, man, like you're doing it, You're okay, you know, and and just keep doing what you've been doing. And and you know, it's so funny because you get there through all this confidence that you don't really realize as false confidence until you're there, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh god, I have no idea what I'm doing to me.

00:37:20
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, I've gotten to this place. Now I'm going to be really exposed because of where I am and how and I'm really not that good. Yeah, So it's different if I'm not good at a lower level right now that I've somehow managed to get here, and they find out how good I'm really not, it's going to be even worse because I'm about to be exposed. Get Kanye Man, Like, that's what That's what comes out of me when you say that, because that's what I feel like totally constantly.

00:37:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:37:42
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I didn't feel like that, if I would have been as driven to be in the same exact spot.

00:37:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. And then there's I think when I had my first number one, I kind of like I was like, oh my god, this is it, this is what we're We're here doing this for what was the first one for you? Lights Come On by Jason el Dean, And and after that I kind of went through this depression of like, what now Now it's off the charts. Now I've got nothing, there's you know, now I just have to work that hard again to get another song here, and like realizing how much had to come, how the stars had to align for this song to make it to the top of the charts, and it just kind of, I don't know, it made me kind of go inward a little bit and not not as confident, I guess as some people would.

00:38:42
Speaker 2: Weird because people would think it'd be the opposite, right, And I've.

00:38:44
Speaker 1: Seen some people do it where they get one and they're like I'm the man, and.

00:38:47
Speaker 2: That's so weird to me because I wish I had that.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: I do too.

00:38:50
Speaker 2: It would have been like, I'm jealous of that more than I'm a hater of that. I used to be a hater of that. Yep, me too, and be like, now I wish I had just a little tinge of blind confidence.

00:38:59
Speaker 1: Yep. But now I think it's been long enough and consistent enough for me to go, Okay, well, I do know what I'm talking about, but also I know that I don't know what I'm talking about, and so I'm not gonna sit there and be the boss or the bully in the room. But I'm also not, you know, gonna sit there and take it from somebody who thinks you know what I mean, especially.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: With your body of success. Even if every time that happens, you're like, oh, I can't believe that happened, But if it happens nine time times, eventually the logical party is gotta be like, even if it's weird to me, there's been a lot of success here. So obviously some part of me, some innate part of me, is on right in some way. Right, So yeah, I do understand how you could be both at the same time. But I think it would be difficult for someone to understand, Wait, you just got a number one and now you're doubting yourself.

00:39:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no. It's really funny because like all right with you know, Josh Osborne or Ashley Gorely. You know, these these guys have of countless number ones and they get in a room and they're not like, well, this is what it is, this is what we're doing here. You know, it's like, what kind of ideas we got, Like, oh, that's cool.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: Why they're so good?

00:40:14
Speaker 1: Honestly opposite and they're just they're pulling from everybody and and they're co writing, and you know, I respect that, And that's where I hope to I hope people would say that about me, that I'm that way. I like to think I.

00:40:30
Speaker 4: Am the Bobby Cast. Will be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

00:40:44
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Laney for a second. Yeah. I was again very fortunate to know Lanney before she did, before anything happened, because she's so nice. She go over to my house, wants to show me how to do a dance to something I was I just finished dancing with Stars and the But it was before Blanco's song had hit, but she was doing the video. She was in the video with him dancing in a parking lot and I just messaged her and I was like hey, because she didn't I had nor from her music, just Nor from dancing with Blanco Brown's and I said, hey, my name's Bobby. She was like I know you are, and I was like, can you show me how to do this dance? She was like yeah. When I was like, I don't know, what do you preach to us tomorrow, next day? Whatever? She came over. We became friends. This is six years ago. And when you talk about somebody that has seen them actually go from nothing on the career path, like, to me, it's Laney more than almost anybody because I've just had a close relationship with her the entire time before she put out her record. I had her come play our big million dollar show at the Rhyman and she did Queen Fat Bottom Girls, and I was just a big fan of her and to watch her blow up it's been awesome. But what's her confidence level like when you're in a room with her.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the coolest, She's she's so humble, she uh and She hasn't changed, and that's you know, like I started writing with her very early on and hasn't changed. She's just She's Lainey. She is just salt of the earth, nicest human. Like everything that's happened with her, I'm I'm very proud of her. And and there's truly nobody that deserves it more than her.

00:42:37
Speaker 2: We don't see her anymore.

00:42:41
Speaker 1: She's too famous for us now. It's not her fault. She's just right.

00:42:45
Speaker 2: And and there's a cycle, you know, everybody blows up. You're kind of floating and not able to prioritize properly because it's the first time it's ever happened. Having me for a bit too, I just kind of got lost. Yep. But Lanny's I don't worry about her. She's got her family.

00:43:05
Speaker 1: She's just busy because she's.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: Always hustled so much. Yeah, she came over to the house and we recorded a song because I just just the comedy stuff and I wrote a song because we were going to open for Garth had asked me to come open and do my comedy stuff in Razorback Stadium. Was like one hundred thousand people. It was awesome, right, it was a really great thing for me, and I most things, I'm like, this is crazy. I'm not even going to enjoy it because it's so stupid. But that was like a really cool thing. I called and asked me to do it, and so, but I still felt it because I write jokes from a place of being scared or fear or being insignificant, but you wouldn't know that. So I wrote this song called Nobody Cares about the Opening Act because I felt like nobody was gonna care about me when I was up there. So I wrote Nobody Cares about the Opening Act whatever. And I called Landy and I was like, hey, do you want to write a verse for this and sing it? Because she knew as well as anyone what it's like to go and have nobody care, right, And so she came over, and my point is she's when she's singing and she's laying down. She wrote it was so funny. She didn't even ask for help with the jokes the song. It was so funny. But she'd be like, Okay, is that good? Should I re sing this? And we're like you're the pro, Yeah, you know, you've even done the funny stuff that we think we're good at and you've even nailed that.

00:44:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just just a talent.

00:44:22
Speaker 2: Just really exciting to see that happen to her.

00:44:25
Speaker 1: And how'd that show go?

00:44:26
Speaker 2: By the way, And I don't like anything, it was awesome. It was really the court. That's my home and that's also Garth Brooks and it's my favorite play if I want, my favorite place in the whole world is Razorback Stadium, Arkanas Football.

00:44:43
Speaker 1: You think he peaked at that moment. Now you're constantly peaking.

00:44:49
Speaker 2: No, no peak? Wait before that, Yeah, no, there was a peak. I'm not I've already peaked.

00:44:54
Speaker 1: So what's what I say?

00:44:55
Speaker 2: We're done there. I'm just gonna try to stay on the top, bitch part of the mountain. I want to say, Hidi for a long time.

00:45:01
Speaker 1: Pas I.

00:45:04
Speaker 2: Before you and I started this, I went through a lot of of Liker your body of work, and Mike and I were talking about some of your songs. If I were to say, and best can be interpreted anyway, but what's the best song that you've ever produced? Because you love how freaking sounds, I would have.

00:45:20
Speaker 1: To say it would be drunk me with Mitchell. That was like the first like I'm gonna try so hard because Mitchell promised me this was going to be on radio. He promised me this was going to be a number one. And I sat there at Lost Palmis with him like this guy's crazy but okay, and so I just I tried and I that was when that kind of set the bar for me. And yeah, I'd have to say, drunk.

00:45:47
Speaker 2: Me, what about the writing? What what? It didn't have to be a whole song, but like, what's something that you can hear back and be like, goy, dang, I nailed that.

00:45:58
Speaker 1: I mean I would say Watermelon Unshine. But Josh kir was kind of the the main driver of that one. I'm just proud that.

00:46:09
Speaker 2: He let me even a line, even a line you like you look. We were talking with Dolly a month or so ago, and she has lines that she remembers writing just lines out of songs, and that she's like, this line in this song was so funny and so good and it still works. Do you have any anything like that where you're like, man, this this this line and this song I'm so proud of.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I have to go back to Drunk May. The whole we didn't have the title or anything, and we were just we were kind of writing it from verse, you know, which I look back at now and I'm like, oh, that's so crazy to think we didn't have a title and we're just writing a song that's so anti Nashville. But we kind of get to the end of the chorus and we're like, Okay, what is the line? And I actually I went to the bathroom and I'm sitting there peeing, and I'm like, drunk me, drunk me, can't get over you. And I like, I don't even think I zipped up all the way. I'm like running in. I'm like, drunk me can't get over you. Drunk me can't get over you. And they're like, oh, that's it. And you know, that was just like this this moment where it was, uh, I felt like the hero.

00:47:23
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:47:25
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00:47:39
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your wife for a second. This was totally random. I swear to god, I had no idea the one you two are married.

00:47:48
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't have done it.

00:47:49
Speaker 2: I know, but she told me you would never know, so I was on Instagram this morning, just flipping through stuff. And I don't always look at my tess because sometimes either they can be too mean or way too nice, or it's just people trying to get a song. It's five thousand people going listen to this song. And was in a commercial break or something, and usually we're working, but I flipped over and I was just interested because she was holding up those white sheets of paper, kind of like like music video Bob Dylan, Yeah yeah, or the Love Movie with Hugh Grant but they oh Love actually yeah, because the other one's like Subterranean Homesick Blues or subterraneing that Bob Dylan song, Subterranean whatever. So she's holding up the paper and I'm like, oh, I'll watch this. And it was on silent because I need text because it keeps it and so whatever. And she's like, Oh, I have dreams. I want to do this and this and this, and I was like, Oh, good for her. Hope she does opry. That'd be cool if she could do that.

00:48:56
Speaker 1: And yeah.

00:48:57
Speaker 2: Then she said be a guest on The Boybone Show. And I was like, wait, I can affect that.

00:49:03
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

00:49:03
Speaker 2: Literally, what I thought didn't know didn't. I didn't even know that today. I thought tomorrow was the day you were coming over from me. My schedule so weird. I just kind of wake up and I'm told, like, I prepare for it, but I don't really know. Sometimes I just get dragged over to it and so and Mike could can vouch for me. So I text Abby Smiers, who were very close. With the Smiers my wife and Abby are very close. Were years So I say, hey, she nice. I didn't even say is she good, but it's like, is she nice? And she had because I saw it that she had commented on the post. And there's a difference in Nashville commenting and friend commenting. A lot of people now you slay girl, you don't even really. But she's like, no, she want my best friends. She's awesome. I said, I would ask you if she's any good, but I can't ask you that since she's one of one of your best friends. And she said, okay, but she's good. And she goes and her music not only can she sing really well live, her music has always produced really well because her husband and I was like her husband, so she was like, oh my god, this is the weirdest thing ever, and so I called her. I got a number from Abby this morning. I said, don't tell her because I may not call her. That was crazy because I was like, it was all just a time thing too. If I have time and we were doing our podcast and I may not, I may not call her, so don't say anything. And I've known Abby long enough I knew she wouldn't And so I just call and she doesn't answer because my number just shows up as a random and then I leave a message and I feel stupid leaving and I'm like, hey, it's Bob Bones. And she calls back and I was like, hey, you've been vouched for by people that I respect and admire. And I am not a big energy guy, but I'm a big believer in sharing your goals because people will actually.

00:50:46
Speaker 1: Help you totally totally.

00:50:47
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can affect this, so come up and you are here today. It's that to me, that's crazy, and I don't believe, like that's that's that's like next level stuff. I don't really think it's next level, but I think it's like what a wonderful, serendipitous just turn of of everything that because I like if people like stick their neck out for me, like I always appreciate it. So that's why I try to like affect things if I can. Had nothing to do with you, and you're here today, and I'm not even bringing her on this podcast because she's having her own spot awesome, you know. And I was like, you know, and so you're not coming on. But that's the reason she's not coming. What the heck is it front porch? Well, let's see. This is so I do during an interview. I think my wife's here.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: Hello, is this a special guest?

00:51:35
Speaker 2: I was promised, yes, come on in, come on in, Tom DeLong, So yeah, I don't. I didn't even want to bring her. I'm glad she's here because I know, but I didn't want to bring her on because I didn't want this to be her moment.

00:51:51
Speaker 1: Well and I mean she uh, she would outshine me. She's a lot funnier. My wife's a safer crazy. I can't take like for what I'm celebrated for. She's better than Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm very happy. I thought she was going to get a mic and I was like, well, there goes my interview.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: Well it's not because of you, it's mostly because I want her to have her own.

00:52:14
Speaker 1: No, that's good.

00:52:15
Speaker 2: Now you only married a couple of years. Yeah, we we.

00:52:20
Speaker 1: Got no, we got yeah, twenty twenty.

00:52:22
Speaker 2: Two years are all off. It's okay right now.

00:52:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we immediately got pregnant immediately and uh kind of by accident. And now we're parents, and uh it's awesome. But yeah, so we celebrated our one month or our one year anniversary with a baby.

00:52:41
Speaker 2: It's a tough question to ask because it's very loaded question, and there's an answer that you have to give. But how what's it like being a parent? I'm not I love it. So we're listen. I've always wanted to have kids at some point.

00:52:52
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

00:52:53
Speaker 2: I'm petrified to have kids because of I didn't have a model. I didn't have a dad. Yeah, I didn't have a parents. I didn't have so I saw none of that. I don't know successful unit. I don't know successful raising kids. I don't know successful being raised as a kid. So I have this I'm not gonna say irrational, but I do have this fear totally that that's gonna happen again. But I'm gonna be the other side of it.

00:53:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I mean I I did have parents, and I was still terrified.

00:53:22
Speaker 2: What's awesome about it? Though? Like really because it just seems like a lot of work and I'm gonna screw it up.

00:53:27
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. But the first time you see your kids smile at you got to get choked up even just thinking. I mean, it's like that. It's that kind of stuff where it's like, I've never been a guy gets choked up on an interview with Bobby Bones and here I am, like, I love my kid. You know, it's that kind of stuff. It's it's realizing that you're you created something that is going to outlive you and is going to affect the world, hopefully in a good way, long after you're gone. And you know, it's kind of like I'm used to making records, which I hope live on forever, but you know, obviously there's gonna be trillions of records made after I'm gone, So it's it's kind of a fool's errand to think that that you can create something that will live on forever. And I feel like that that's like the closest we can come to having something live on forever and you know, spreading your genes and your DNA and hopefully your good parenting and creating. You know, I think a lot of times too, with where we're at in you know, society right now, everyone's kind of just screaming at each other like you'd be different, you'd be different, you know whatever. And it's like, I'm not gonna waste my time telling other people how to be. I'm just gonna tell my kid how they should be, and hopefully that kind of just spreads and.

00:55:04
Speaker 2: Let me in on this. What's up with Instagram? I don't even see what they're gone.

00:55:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not on anything. Yeah, just like you I what you said earlier. You know, you kind of just start seeing the negativity, and you know, I'm like, I'm stoked. I just I put everything I had into this song and it gets released and I and then I go look at the comments like this sucks. I hate this, Like this goes hard on mute, you know that kind of stuff, and you're just like that sucks, Like I work so hard on this.

00:55:36
Speaker 2: Just like it even though you know, because you're speaking out of my mouth, I feel even though I know those people have nothing to do they have not It's still it hurts. It still sucks. Even even having complete rational thought with right that you still it still sucks.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: Right, And then it blinds you to the I love this, Oh my god, this saved my life like that, you know. It's like yeah, yeah, okay, okay, but that guy he said it sucks, you know, And so for me it was too much focus on that, you know. And also like twenty twenty was a weird time with the whole internet and it just the canceling and this and they can't say this, can say that, you know, you have to do this, you have It was just like all right, I just love making music. I'm going to focus on that. I'm going to focus on being a good husband. I'm going to focus on being the person that I want to be. And honestly, there's nothing I miss about social media. There's nothing. And I get it through her, like I see my wife's you know, she'll show me stuff on Instagram and I don't feel like I'm I'm out of the loop really on anything.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: You are. We're all talking about it on this well but hear it, I know, but it's really the conversation is now how to touch you are with us, amazing the kids. Uh man, congratulations on just maintaining like consistency, like quality consistency.

00:57:05
Speaker 1: I appreciate. That's what I'm going.

00:57:07
Speaker 2: For because that's the hardest thing.

00:57:08
Speaker 1: It is, it's very hard.

00:57:10
Speaker 2: It's also hard to have quality inconsistency, but it's easier to do that than it is to have quality consistency. And that is you know, that's what I think of when I think of you, and I don't know you, but obviously living in this town and having friends that no friends and no friends like, that's always been my association with you as like a guy who does it, does it well, and moves on to do the next thing well. And if it happens to be freaking great, awesome, and if it happens to be a little less than well, that's okay too. But yeah, you're going to do a good job. It's going to have all the effort in it. Yeah, And so that's always what I've felt about you, even before knowing you. But now after I met you, I don't believe that at all. You're just losing well sorry, yeah, you can't follow him anywhere unless you leave my house and follow him home. So I have, but but really it's been really cool for me to get to hang out. And it's just so weird that I called your wife this morning to be like, come on my show, and is the day you're coming to my house?

00:58:10
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. Yeah, I called your wife today too, but she didn't pick up.

00:58:13
Speaker 2: No, you texted her a picture and she said it was on zipped like drunk me and she was like, tell him not to do that anymore.

00:58:21
Speaker 1: Bobby, he's got a quest.

00:58:22
Speaker 2: Yes, Jordan, thank you and this has been awesome And I purposefully Renee did not bring you on.

00:58:30
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

00:58:30
Speaker 2: She sitting right beside me. She was like, am I sitting too close to you? When we do this interview? I was like, not to me. Maybe you think you're too close to Maybe am I that weird? Like so, but Renee, we'll do this a different time. Awesome, good to see men.

00:58:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production