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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Baseball is going to robo umpires in twenty twenty six, or at least a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: We know where this is going, but this is where they just say, man, we're going to try it out for a little bit here. But they've been testing this for a few years now in the minor leagues. But as it stands now, there will be limited challenges for balls and strikes. And let me give you a little bit of the information here. Hitters, pitchers and catchers will be the only ones allowed to trigger this system. They tap their head and then the challenge is on. The pitch will be shown on in stadium scoreboards, and then teams will be able to retain if they're correct with that their challenge. So kind of like with tennis where they show you if the ball is in or out. Now they're just getting charted with this. But it's called the ABS system Automated Balls and Strikes. But they do this in tennis. They have twelve cameras in each ballpark tracking the ball margin of error is one sixth of an inch, so the zone will be two dimensional plane here. But there's a couple other things that I found interesting with this, and we've talked about this before. It's going to be taking over baseball that if you want to get the balls and strikes correct, then just have it. You'll still have to have an umpire. There's not going to be a robot out there. I think everybody thinks, like you know that Fox Football robots out there balls. It's not going to be a robot. It's going to be automated balls and strikes.

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Speaker 3: Jes hut, That's.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what I thought it was on Why do they call it robots? Like you're entitled to your opinion, but that was a strike.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 2: So adding robot See, I don't even like robot umpires. They don't call them robot umpires in tennis, do they. It's just a challenge system. But the umps will be also cutting down on ejections because I was curious the percentage of ejections in Major League Baseball among players and managers and coaches. Almost sixty two percent of the time were related to balls and strikes. Okay, so they're going to cut down on that. You'll cut down on ejections here for derogatory comments there and in case you're wondering umpires. According to the ump scorecards, they are right ninety four percent of the time on pitches ninety four percent of the time. But you're going to have two challenges, and it has to be immediate because you can't wait for somebody to look at a replay in the dugout. It has to be with the catcher, the batter or the pitcher. If the goal is to get it right, and you have the technology to get it right, then use it. But I baseball wants to speed up the game. I get that, and they've done it. You know, the pitch clock is great. The runner on second base to start extra innings is embarrassing. But you know they had bigger bags, so there's more stolen bases. Okay, they want more offense, they want more movement. All right, we've accomplished them this. I still think, you know, it's entertainment. You're presenting something. So now I can show you something on the JumboTron and you could see did they get the call right or not, just like in tennis.

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Speaker 3: I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be part of the fabric of the game. They're going to dip their toe in it. And I think by twenty thirty, this is how baseball is going to be called. You'll still have the umpires, you will just have somebody up above who will then say to the umpire that you know, it's a ball or it's a strike. Now you're going to have somebody up above managing the game. The umpires will just be the mouthpiece to say if it's a ball or strike, or they might not even say anything. They may have showed up on the screen. But this is where we're headed. I'm okay with it. You know, I've watched enough games where I watch an umpire and I go, what game is he calling? Like they are brutal calls, and you know, these umpires are human. There's umpires who hold a grudge.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 2: There's umpires who are very friendly to certain pictures or they're just picture friendly strike zones or the other way around. And this will take away that as well. And how many times do you watch a game we get centerfield camera. It's not really center field because it's not directly behind the picture, but we look at it and we go, that's a strike. But if the camera was over right behind the picture, you realize that it wasn't so sometimes it's an optical illusion. But we are headed towards the autumn balls and strikes, and baseball is trying. Now, Baseball didn't change at all, you know, all these different leagues they're always trying to implement something new. Baseball didn't change for centuries. And then all of a sudden they are at the forefront. They're trying everything anything, And I think it's just this commissioner is going to leave his mark on this game in a variety of ways, whether we're going to say he was a great commissioner or not. I think he has improved the game. But let's just get rid of the runner at second base to start the tenth inning. Come on, that's something you do in little league just so you can get the kids home. So you know, Savannah Bananas doesn't even do that silly stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Todd. Do you like the tapping on.

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Speaker 4: The head for the challenge? How about like the red challenge flag in your back pocket, drop it on home play to throw it towards the pitchers mount if you want to try to get some more.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want to get carrying a flag up there. There's a little handkerchief in your back pocket. No.

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Speaker 2: No, then he's going to go, oh damn, where's my I don't have my hanky. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: What if someone just adjusting their helmet and they take that as a challenge. I was just kind of tapping my helmet out an.

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Speaker 3: D What if you accidentally drop the hanky. That's a valid point, Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I was reading Jeff Passon's article and there's only four players on this eleven person committee that voted on this and developed it.

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Speaker 3: He said.

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Speaker 5: A couple of those players voted against it. I wonder if the players don't like this because it takes away their skill in gamesmanship of dealing with a tighter strike zone or expanded strike zone. If you're Paul Goldschman, you're like, Okay, this up is going low. That helps me. I could I could work that. And I think it hurts the player, the talented player.

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Speaker 3: I think it hurts the picture that too.

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Speaker 5: I think it absolute hurts.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it hurts a hitter. A hitter once just call it so I know what the strike zone is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it hurts both players.

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Speaker 3: I agree it.

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Speaker 2: You know, pictures get so much leeway. You know you'll be like yep, and then you go, are you kidding me? It feels like more hitters get upset with calls than pitchers get upset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think if I was a catcher, I would be more upset than anybody, because that's sort of that. The the art of framing a pitch to get a call would be completely removed by this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ton, Why was that ever?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 4: In baseball, strike is a striking a ball as a ball?

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Speaker 7: Why is it?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 4: This ump calls strikes a certain way and one call the other way. If they did that in football, that'd be were Oh he doesn't call holding that one. Oh, you could do past the aference all you want. That guy does very little.

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Speaker 3: Call they do that. They do that in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. If call is a call, I don't understand. Oh that's Joe West calls it like that. So get used to it. You can throw it high and they'll call it a strike.

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Speaker 3: Well, but this is where I wonder.

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Speaker 2: You know, with the umpires that they have all these you're graded after each game, but you would think at some point you would say, you know, hey, Tommy, you're calling way too many holding penalties, or hey, you're not calling enough pass interfering. I would think that they would have, you know, checks and balances with that. But you're right about catchers. You know the art of framing a pitch. But if you can get the call right, and you know, we're fine with it in tennis, and those guys complain about everything in tennis, So get the call right. It can still be entertaining. You can put it up on the jumbo tron and everybody can play the game play along.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's the thing that drives me crazy about this. You put in the system where you can get the call right twice.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 6: Well, if if you're going to put in the system and get the calls right, just do the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you continue to get the call though, then you get to continue to keep your challenges.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but still okay.

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Speaker 6: So then you get it wrong two times and then then the third time, well, now I can't charge it and it's obviously a striker of ball. Well now I can't because I use them the other times. What's important getting the call right or using your tapping your helmet times enough times?

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Speaker 3: Right, it's stupid.

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Speaker 2: Baseball wants to try this out. So It's not one of those where you go to a game and go, wait a minute, what's going on here. It's just want to let you know this is coming. But this is what it's going to look like and feel like for everybody. Even with the pitch clock, everybody hated it. Oh what are you doing? Baseball is timeless. You know, you should be able to pitch when you want to pitch, or get in the batter's box or any of that nonsense. And then all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute, they're going to wear a wristband.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: Now, we don't even talk about it now. It's just part of the game, and I think that's what these commissioners want. It's just you don't like the kickoff, like, okay, we don't. Esthetically it looks weird, but we're okay, we're getting we're getting kickoff returns.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's great, yeah, Paulie.

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Speaker 5: According to this new rule, teams that run out of challenges over the first nine innings will get an extra one in the tenth and so on. So if you use yours in the tenth and the game goes to the eleventh, you get one of the eleventh that's pretty smart of MLB to anticipate that issue, because imagine if you know, World Series Game four and you're out of challenges.

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Speaker 6: And you start the runner on second and then you challenge the thing that forces them into the.

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Speaker 5: Could we have a playoff series that ends on a strikeout and they ask for a replay as the guys are running onto the field, like the twenty eight three.

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Speaker 2: That would be a walk. Yeah, you know, I could see where you would have something like that. But okay, at least they're trying. At least they're looking exploring, and I'm fine, I don't like change for change sake. If you're going to do it, then do it. But you're kind of doing it now. This is next season. They're kind of doing it next season.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 3: Seaton Poll question today for the first hour.

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Speaker 6: I think we should start with robo umps.

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Speaker 3: See, they got to get rid of that term. That's what scares people.

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Speaker 5: It's like meat loaf. It's a distasteful term when we're talking about how meatloaf is like, if they had a better term, people would enjoy it more. Robotoms gives you the feeling that the old guys are going away and being fired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're gonna have machines out there. Is this gonna be ai? No, No, it's not. It's just like tennis.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: You're still gonna have your linesman, your umpires. You're gonna have everybody there. And baseball has to have umpires on each base. You have to be able to call somebody out or safe, you know. So that's why you're still gonna have that. You're not having robot umpires.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's a little bit like the tennis judge is a little bit like respectfully Alec Trevec.

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Speaker 3: Okay, in that the tennis.

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Speaker 6: Judge has a computer telling them all of the information. They know the right answer because that thing gave them the right answer, and they can sit up.

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Speaker 3: There and be like, no, I know what it is. This is the right one.

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Speaker 6: When you have all the answers, it's easy to be like yeah, Azerbaijan, Sorry, no, it's comp Yeah, because I'm just looking at the computer screen and it's telling me if.

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Speaker 3: It was in or out? And up where is Mesopotamia? No?

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Speaker 6: Sorry, no, I'm sorry, that's shoot in common.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So why now all of a sudden, I know the technology has gotten better all of a sudden. They want to make sure the calls are right. Usually things in sports are decided upon based on viewership and attendance. This isn't going to necessarily make the game more exciting or compelling. Are you're more likely to go to a game or watch a game because there's challenges on a ball or a strike And it's the antithesis of trying to speed up the game as well, which is what they keep one thing on.

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Speaker 3: How many games have you gone to this year? I have gone to I think zero games.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 3: You think I'm trying to just trying.

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Speaker 4: To remember if I went in the beginning of the year, but I don't think I did. I have not gone to a game, okay, But I don't think anybody, even a big sports fan, is going to be You.

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Speaker 3: Can't go to less games than you went to, right.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I'm talking about the average fan is not going to watch more baseball go to basically because they are making an extra effort to get it right.

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Speaker 7: It's all about the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're trying to get you to go to the game because you get to see a ball or strike called on the jumbo truck.

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Speaker 4: So it's just so we have this extra technology, you might as well use it and get.

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Speaker 7: The calls right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that simple.

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Speaker 4: I always think there's a devious background doors in the league. Is what can we do to f nagle an extra buck or something or get people more interested which and this is not an example of getting more interested in the game.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think this improves attendance. I think they're trying to improve the quality of the umpires and the game experience. That you want to make sure that they're getting calls correct, that's all. Yeah, see, but we're only going to make sure we get the correct if you challenge us to do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm gonna tap my ailment at the appropriate moment.

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Speaker 6: As long as you haven't tapped your helmet too many times, then you can challenge us to make sure we get the call right. Other than that, we just say, whatever it is, how about we take a break, all right? Take a break? Yes see, yeah, leave it to you to go.

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Speaker 4: So you need it to be And after a couple of calls you can't challenge anymore.

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Speaker 6: Then you asked us to get it right too many times. So now we're not gonna get it right. We're gonna do whatever we want. We're turning off our robo umpires, but leave it to you to go. Oh, there's got to be some nefarious reason.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: It's all sneaky.

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Speaker 2: Hey, come on, kids, we're gonna go watch robo umpires. We're going to the game.

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Speaker 4: There was a conversation behind closed doors with the league in the artist's like, here's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna look like we care about balls. We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 2: Give me the most important college football game this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 11: Most important probably the Georgia Alabama game. I think when you look at that game, DP, I think, you know, Georgia, we kind of forgot about them a little bit until they had the big win at Tennessee Alabama. We kind of wrote them off after they lost to Florida State. Both teams have kind of bounced back a little bit and now they face each other.

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Speaker 7: And Kirby Smart, for.

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Speaker 11: Everything he's done on the collegiate level, I think he's one in six against Alabama. Now, a lot of that had to do with Nick Saban, and Nick Saban is gone, but he lost to Kailndbor last year. So I think that's the biggest game this weekend. And probably number two would be LSU going to Old Miss because I think we found out a lot about both of those teams to see if they're both for real from a national championship standpoint.

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Speaker 2: But if kailn Debor and Alabama beat Georgia, that takes a whole lot of heat of Kaitlin de Boor not only.

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Speaker 11: Takes heat off of him, I think it clearly puts him the position where he cannot be judged going forward because he would have been too in August Curby, and that's something that I think if you're in Alabama faith for if you can beat Georgia, then you can beat anybody in the country. And so for him to win that game two years in a row, I think really makes not On let him feel good. You also got to think like his wife and his kids, they got to they gotta live in Tuscaloosa, and so I think the entire family will feel a little bit more stable and can kind of live their life in tustal Loosier. But you lose that game, now you got two losses as the as the calendar turnsto October, and I think that heat gets back turned up.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Brian Kelly is not secure at l s U, or at least I always get that feeling that it's like, yeah, but he's got to win some of these games here, and like this is feels like a really important game for Brian Kelly. You would know better than anybody how secure is he in that job at L s U.

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Speaker 11: I think he's very secure because I know what I know what the bio is like, and and the bout is substantially large. And unless you're Texas A and M who wants to spend seventy five million dollars by not a coach. Then I think BKA realizes, and I think everybody in college football realizes that there's a difference between the heat being turned up because the natives are restless, and then there's also a difference to heat.

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Speaker 7: Heat's being turned up and you may get fired.

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Speaker 11: I think BK feels the heat because every coach who preceded him has won a national championship.

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Speaker 7: Saban Les Miles, ed o'sd wrong.

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Speaker 11: They all won national championships in the first three or four years, and this is year fourth for BK. So he feels the heat. And regardless whether LSU wins this game or loses this game, the heat is still going to be there until the ring has been secured. And so he understands that he knows that he's heard it from me, He's heard from a lot of people what the expectations are. I think this is the best defense that he's had. The offense is not, for whatever reason, clicking on all cylinders. So it should be a good test. In Oxford on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Mike Gundy and Dabbos Sweeney didn't forget the coach what happened.

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Speaker 11: I think Mike Gundy got caught in a situation where he didn't evolve with the times, and when you don't evolve, you get left behind. I think Daboy is in a situation that's a little bit different because Dabo did start to evolve.

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Speaker 7: He went into the transfer portal.

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Speaker 11: His best defensive player came from Purdue out of the transfer portal. You know, it's kind of a weird thing up there. DP They got a ton of talent, Like, talent is not the issue. And so here's what I always go back to. When you have a coach that's been successful and you have a team that has a ton of talent, but that team is not winning.

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Speaker 7: I always go back to this, there's.

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Speaker 11: A disconnection between this team and the coach, and you wonder how that could happen. But at a certain point, the message starts falling on deaf ears, Like the coach can be the same and the team can have been in the program, but the team is not hearing the message for whatever reason.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the case up in Clemson.

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Speaker 11: Man, they got probably five or six guys that are going to be drafted in the first two rounds. So how can a team that talented be one and three? Somehow there's a disconnect between the coaches and the players. And on top of that, I'll go one step further. I don't think Dabo has hired the greatest coaches to run his offensive defense since he's in the last few years. Like he's got Gary Rally running the running the offense, he's got Tom Allen running the defense. There's a disconnect there also, because when talent and the coaching staff don't connect, I think what you get is you get one and three.

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Speaker 2: Booker McFarland ESPN, NFL College Football Analyst, the studio analyst on ABC, and you can also see him on NFL Prime Time with Chris Berman on ESPN plus more concerns about the Ravens or the Chiefs.

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Speaker 11: Can City because I think when you look at Kansas City, they've won with their defense the last few years, and the def is still pretty good. But at a certain point, we always knew the offense would come, and Patrick would come and Travis would come. But like the best parts of their team are not performing. Kelsey's not performing, Pray Smith the right guard is not performing, and you say, well, what the hell does the right guard.

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Speaker 7: Mean, it's really simple.

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Speaker 11: It means protection for the quarterback and opening holes in the run game. Well, they're not doing either. I understand Rashid rice is. I was with a suspension. You're trying to figure out when Xavier Worthy is going to come back. So at a certain point, I think they're going to get their weapons back. But if they lose this game, they're one and three, I think Baltimore wins the game, and they're winning three and a certain point, the whole is too big, and I get very concerned when the team is revolving around one guy. And it seems to me that if Patrick doesn't make courageous plays like they don't move the ball, and so it's no longer a team.

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Speaker 7: It's turned into a one man's show.

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Speaker 11: And I don't care who you are, one man shows don't survive an it's too many grown men, it's too many great players. You have to have a team, and right now their team is not as good as it's being for those reasons I listed.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if the Giants. I knew they would go to Jackson Dart eventually, but do you start him at home against a better team and the Chargers or on the road against an inferior team the Saints.

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Speaker 11: You know, it amazes me, Like why does everybody always try to be concerned and try to pick the place that he starts at DP?

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Speaker 7: Like he's a professional football player.

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Speaker 11: Take the band aid off, like this is not old Miss, this is not Syracuse. Like we're not playing for the Peach Bowl. We're playing for the Super Bowl. Take the band aid off. Let him go play and if he fails, great, turn the tape on, coach him up, and send it back out there. Like at a certain point, we have to we have to stop trying to handpick a moment for success. We almost treat these guys like our kids. You know, I want my child to be successful, so you try to put him in a spot where they can have success early so they can get I get that. But at a certain point, don't you want your kid to kind of fall and kind of scratch himselves up a little bit? Like I don't want him to bust ahead of him, but I do want him to fall so they can kind of grow and learn. I think you have to treat the quarterback the same way. Is he going to struggle against San Diego or Los Angeles. Absolutely, he might get his head beating in, but he'll be better far the next day. He may struggle against the Saints, he'll be better far the next day. The only way you can teach a guy or a player can learn something. I truly believe you learn more through failure than you do through success. Through success, so I want him to fail soon. So shame on you for trying to handpick where you put him at DP.

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Speaker 7: Put him out there, let him play it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I learn more, And people say, how do you know? Like, what do you buy in on a quarterback? I said, I want to see what he does when he throws an interception, what he does the next series, that will tell me everything. I want to know what you do when it's all starting to cave in, and yes, get him out there, at him play. I think they're viewing him as his savior with the Giants, and if you're Brian Dabele, he has to be a savior to save your job. It feels like Ken, I think, what do you have to see if your ownership of the Giants with Jackson Dart that you're going to bring back that coaching staff.

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Speaker 11: I think if you see the quarterback fail and then continue to get better throughout the season, because I think we all feel like a rookie quarterback is going to struggle. But what you want to see is progress. You want to see him. He may not be Jayden Daniels, because he's not. But if you can have some some moments of success the way Jayden Daniels did as a rookie and towards the end of the year, then you can say, Okay, I think the coach can get it out of him, and now I'll bring the coach back. But because I think at some point, and the Giants have been very patient, because at some point you got to stop the cycle.

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Speaker 7: You got to stop the.

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Speaker 11: Cycle of coach on the hot seat, rookie quarterback play, rookie quarterback, coach get fired, then you start over because now rookie quarterback has racedly has way year one, and now year two is a learning year, and then you're in the year three and guess what, at a certain point, he's gonna want to be paid. It's kind of the same thing that's going on in Chicago, like everybody's talking about, like Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams came in. Now Ben Johnson is there. I think those two guys are married for like four or five years. I think that's the way to do it. Like you have to marry the coach and the quarterback so he can have time to actually coach the player. And so if you're Giants ownership, if Brian Dabo shows that Jackson Dard has any type of pass throughout the season, I think you're bringing back. I think you bring him and Joe Shane back, maybe on a two year deal, and if they can't get it done at that point, then you make a change.

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Speaker 7: By then, at that point, I think the.

00:25:42
Speaker 11: Quarterback will have enough experience where you can figure out whether or not you want to keep him or you want to give the new coach an opportunity to go draft his own quarterback.

00:25:52
Speaker 2: If I put everybody at ESPN in the octagon, uh huh, who comes out?

00:26:01
Speaker 11: I think Chris Canty's gonna be a candidate to come out. Myself will be a candidate to come out. I think Marcus Spears probably is a candidate to come out. I mean beyond that, man, like some of these dudes at ESPN, Like it's a lot of dudes that are sawt like Mike Greenberg. Mike Greenberg is soft man. Greenberg is not. As a matter of fact, Greeny is not even entering the octagon. Kevin nagand he's not getting in the octagon. David Lloyd, like some of these guys are not getting in. I think the only person who is a non athlete that may get in would probably be Michael Lees.

00:26:40
Speaker 7: But he just had both needs replace, so I'm not sure how long he would last.

00:26:43
Speaker 3: How about Chefty?

00:26:46
Speaker 7: Have you seen Chefty try to do the lambo leap or do the gritty like?

00:26:49
Speaker 11: There's nothing athletic about shifting nothing, And I love him to death. Now he's a he's a pretty good golfer, so I shouldn't say there's nothing athletic about him. But as far as using that athleticism to in any shape, way or form, fight.

00:27:05
Speaker 7: No chance.

00:27:06
Speaker 3: What about Kendrick Perkins, I'm not.

00:27:10
Speaker 11: Sure the level of stamina is there for KP to last in the octagon. And I love like Perkins seventy feet tall, and I know Perkins losing some weight, but at a certain point, like those rounds last five minutes, and so what I would do against Perkin is just run for five minutes DP like, just I'm a shuffle shuffle for five minutes and stay out.

00:27:30
Speaker 3: Of the way, or Alotsky can't get in the octagon.

00:27:34
Speaker 11: You know what, I don't call him more lost y. I call him a human exclamation point because he's six y five and two hundred pounds. He's bigger than you think. Also, I don't know if he's tough. He's a quarterback. Like, how many quarterbacks have you seen that's not named Jim McMahon or Brett fav that are tough, Like I just don't. I don't think that the quarterback is being tough, just like you, Like you host the show. You're amazing at what you do. Nothing about you says I'm tough. Nothing I mean and I'm gonna say that to your face. Now, super smart. Maybe you're a good golfer. You and I have haven't played golf together, But nothing about you says tough.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: It's fair, But mentally tough is something that you know that's that's really rare that I'm mentally tough. You know, I'm sort of like Brady that you underestimate me and then I become the goat.

00:28:26
Speaker 3: So underestimate me. It's your you know.

00:28:30
Speaker 11: That may be the only time that someone even you compare yourself to Brady number one, number two.

00:28:35
Speaker 7: I want to pick your brain on this. I'm going to the Ryder Cup on Friday.

00:28:38
Speaker 11: Okay, what are your thoughts on the Ryder Cup in New York And how do you think this is gonna play out?

00:28:43
Speaker 7: Because I have a theory because the course is set up, the.

00:28:47
Speaker 11: Rough is not as long because the US is not the straightest off the tea. I get that, but I think speaking of mentally tough, I think the Europeans, because of their experience, may be a little bit more mentally tough than the Americans. Let me hear your thoughts in the rod of Cup.

00:29:01
Speaker 2: Well, I think that we've seen where they galvanize better than we do. Yes, yes, And I think that there is there's so much psychological warfare that's involved in this, Like you must be mentally tough. There's a five footer to have the whole, and you got to have guys who can do that. And I think the European team, the way they're built, we've always had individuals.

00:29:26
Speaker 3: They have a.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: Team, and I think even though you have some marquee guys there big names they still come out as a team, and a team is always going to beat individuals, so I would not be surprised to all if the Europeans win this thing.

00:29:40
Speaker 11: That's a great point. I would also add to that and correct me if I'm wrong. I think the Americans are getting paid and the Europeans are doing this for free. I think there's something there because not that the Americans asked to get paid, even though Patrick Cantley wants to be paid to wear a hat.

00:29:55
Speaker 7: That's a whole different story.

00:29:58
Speaker 11: I do think to your point, Europeans would do this and they are doing it for free just because of how much it means. I think some way, shape or form, they've always felt inferior to America when it comes to golf, and I think that's why they may get up for this more than the Americans.

00:30:14
Speaker 7: Would that be fair to say.

00:30:15
Speaker 2: I think it's it's always resonated. It's more important to them, Yeah, because they have been underdogs. But you know, most of them live in the United States, so it's not like the old days where they maybe weren't playing that much against the PGA tour guys. Now you know, they're all kind of comrades in arms here you got the whole live and the PGA tour and then you know, so Deshambo's the one guy.

00:30:42
Speaker 3: That's the one guy.

00:30:43
Speaker 2: That I'm more curious about than anybody else playing.

00:30:47
Speaker 3: Do his teammates like him his style of play?

00:30:51
Speaker 8: You know?

00:30:51
Speaker 3: Is Justin Thomas going to be his partner here?

00:30:54
Speaker 2: How does that go? Do you match him up with Rory? I mean, you know, do we get fireworks going? All of those things? And that's you know, a wonderful course for them to play, But the Europeans have played well on that golf course.

00:31:08
Speaker 11: I think if you're Louke Donald, I'm pairing Terrel Hatton and John ram and I'm sending them out first because I want to set the tone in New York. I need somebody who's used to handling the pressure, who's used to the crowd, and I need a little bit of a guy who's honering, and I think you get that with Hatton and John Raump. My question for Keegan is who you're gonna send out first? Are you sending Scotty and Russell Henley out first, or are you gonna kind of, you know, send d Shamba out first? Just because of the attitude if it were me, I need to win that first point. I'm sending Scotty Shuffler, Russell Henley, and if I'm the Europeans, I'm sending Aryl Hatton and John Ram.

00:31:50
Speaker 7: I haven't seen.

00:31:50
Speaker 11: Any parents, but it wouldn't be It wouldn't surprise me if that's the first match out Friday morning at seventeen.

00:31:56
Speaker 3: Look at you.

00:31:57
Speaker 2: You don't need football break down golf here. I love it like having I like having fun, you know that, buddy, I love it.

00:32:04
Speaker 3: I love it.

00:32:05
Speaker 2: Hey, have a great weekend. Thanks again for talking to us, and have fun out there anytime.

00:32:11
Speaker 12: Man.

00:32:11
Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys having me.

00:32:12
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Bugger McFarlane.

00:32:15
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00:33:27
Speaker 2: Dan Hurley, he's got a new memoir, Never Stop Life, Leadership and what it takes to be Great.

00:33:33
Speaker 3: Before we get to the book, do you.

00:33:34
Speaker 2: Want to weigh on on this topic? Of driving in the fast light. What kind of driver are you?

00:33:42
Speaker 8: I mean, it would probably surprise people, but I'm actually a pretty calm driver. You know, my wife drives like a Jersey person. You know, I listen, you should not be driving, you know, five or ten miles per hour the speed limit in the left lane, like left left furthest lane. Slow drivers, I you know, they're very frustrating. I would say my biggest frustration is like when you're getting off an exit and there's a backup, when you're getting off on an exit and people cut you, you know where you've waited in traffic to get off an exit and people drive, you know, drive past that congestion and then cross over at the last second and don't sit and wait the ten minutes to get off the exit.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: Have you been flipped off a lot?

00:34:39
Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, a lot I'm more of But I'm not a flip off person.

00:34:44
Speaker 8: Well, I think it aggravates people more when you kind of when you give them a thumbs up, like, hey, great job, you're good.

00:34:50
Speaker 2: Like all right, so you're writing a memoir here and by the way, next Wednesday, October first, you can celebrate the publication of the new book it'll be on campus the Jorgensen Center for Performing Arts. Forty dollars for adults, thirty five for Yukon students. All tickets general admission. What was the biggest challenge of being vulnerable in this book?

00:35:22
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, you know, for you know, for me, Dan, it was probably like reliving, like reliving some of the tougher parts of your life. You know, you end up reading the manuscript, you know, eight or nine times, and you make some subtle changes or some bigger changes with wording or what have you.

00:35:45
Speaker 12: But when you're reading those tough parts of your life, whether.

00:35:48
Speaker 8: It's you know, just my experience as a player in college, dealing with you know, some severe you know, mental health issues, serious depression, you know, the tough parts of your career, UH and your family life like being you know, being a young husband and a young father and dealing with uh, you know, career adversity and financial struggles. I think, like you know, when you're when you're working on the project and you're like reading those tough parts about your life and rereading them and rereading them and rereading them, you know, it became a little bit uncomfortable. It was almost like I was re experiencing that.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: Again, your brother's one of the great point guards in college basketball history, but you felt the brunt of that.

00:36:36
Speaker 3: It felt like because you weren't Bobby Hurley.

00:36:39
Speaker 2: How do you address that that stress level being mocked and you know how that pactored in with depression.

00:36:49
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think for me, you know that this book was you know, an opportunity, you know, to to reach people that you know suffer. You know, for me, you know, I've had an unhealthy relationship you know, with perfectionism. A lot of you know, I'm obviously I'm filled with insecurity, which is at times really a positive thing you know, to keep you striving, but at times like fear of failure. Insecurity, Uh, an unhealthy relationship with perfectionism. And I think the thing that cost me the most suffering, you know, really throughout my life, my playing career and then when I became a coach, was you know.

00:37:34
Speaker 12: The comparison trap.

00:37:36
Speaker 8: You know that that that comparison you know, game that you play with yourself, you know, relative to others is something that uh, you know became tortures for me as a player, you know, with with my brother, and then as a young coach you know with with with my dad.

00:37:54
Speaker 3: Are you satisfied? Can you be satisfied.

00:37:59
Speaker 12: Now? Never?

00:38:00
Speaker 8: Uh?

00:38:01
Speaker 12: You know, I don't think so.

00:38:05
Speaker 8: Not not the way I'm wired, I think, you know, for you know, for me, it's uh, it's embedded. You know, the standard, the drive, you know, just the you know, the household you grow up in. You know, your your own competitive fire. You know that's a byproduct of where you grow up, how you were raised, Uh, the mentality you've developed, the place that you coach at, Like when you choose to coach at a place like YU, come uh and coach the basketball team here. You know, there's a constant pressure to uh, you know, to deliver you know, externally. But you know when that internal drive, uh, you know begins when I start accepting losing or when I'm not devastated by a season like last year, that then you know, it'll be time for me to get out.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: How close did you come to leaving college basketball recently?

00:39:03
Speaker 8: I would say for two or three days, like I was, you know, I had pretty extensive conversations you know with my guy Jordan Bison, you know, over at Fox for a couple of days, and yeah, I mean it was it was. It was like the perfect storm of things, you know, the sport itself, not not having any idea what the rules of your game are going to be, you know, relative to you know what we're hearing rumors that there's going to be potentially a fifty year for players. You know, so you've got you know, ni l where you have no idea what the market is right now you have this or the player is going to now be getting five years, you know, potentially five years to play five you know, there's been no restrictions relative to the portal. It's still free agency at the end of every year. And then you put on top of that, for me, you know, you go back to back, those seasons are longer, so there's a little bit of a you know, success fatigue, you know, the Lakers things happens, so your ego is at an all time high. Then you have a horrible season, and then you take the criticism throughout the year that you know, and and and a lot of times it's it's justified. And so it's like the perfect start with stuff.

00:40:22
Speaker 2: You Stan Hurley the book is Never Stop Life Leadership and what it takes to be Great, and he co wrote this with great writer Io O'Connor.

00:40:32
Speaker 3: Do you have imposter syndrome?

00:40:38
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean imposter syndrome insecurity? Absolutely, insecurity.

00:40:45
Speaker 8: You know, there's definitely a feeling that's been pretty embedded in me, you know that that I'm never.

00:40:51
Speaker 12: Quite good enough. But it's not just relative to basketball.

00:40:56
Speaker 8: You know, I also feel that way, you know, as as a husband that's a father in other aspects.

00:41:02
Speaker 12: Of my life.

00:41:03
Speaker 8: You know, I just have this, you know, mindset where I feel like like I can always I can always do more, I can always be better.

00:41:12
Speaker 12: And one of the first things that coach Calhoun told me when.

00:41:14
Speaker 8: I got the job here, you know, besides get your ass and gear, uh, I get this program fixed, was like, you know, the best coaches have a have a have a level of insecurity about them. That's a that's a real driver to continue to get better and and always be prepared.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: What's the difference between coaching intent or coaching angry?

00:41:41
Speaker 7: Well, I think I.

00:41:42
Speaker 8: Coached intents and in twenty twenty four and I coached angry you know what, you know, like it's for me, I think in my life I've.

00:41:53
Speaker 12: Done probably.

00:41:55
Speaker 8: You know, and you know two, two or three things could be true about any any any one thing. But I would say for me, I got really I got really good at handling you know, failure or struggle in my in my career and in my life in basketball. And I would say that what I've reflected a lot during the course of the season and the off season was just how I handled the success and how I didn't have the season as a coach in twenty five, you know, And I think that, you know, I'll be a much better coach in twenty six because I don't. Yeah, I don't think I handled the success, you know, and where we were as a program very well last season.

00:42:36
Speaker 2: How dark did the days get for you, whether it's when you were playing, when you left.

00:42:43
Speaker 8: Playing, Yeah, you know, dark to the point where you know you give serious consideration, you know, to doing something to harm yourself, you know, potentially do something to you know, to end things, to take your life. Just feeling like you know, back then it was not there was a stigma around around mental health and being vulnerable and opening up, especially for men, especially for men with other men about your feelings. So with your fathers, with your coaches back then, you know, you didn't feel like there was anyone that you could talk to about how you're feeling, your struggles or your difficulties you're suffering. And you know, for me, it was you know, getting into therapy, meeting Sister Catherine Waters at seat in the hall, you know, really changed my life.

00:43:43
Speaker 3: Are you built for this?

00:43:47
Speaker 12: For going on the show? I'm definitely built for I've watched you.

00:43:51
Speaker 3: For coaching ten more years? Dan?

00:43:54
Speaker 7: Are you?

00:43:55
Speaker 3: Are you built for ten more years?

00:43:57
Speaker 8: I don't know about ten I don't really know. I think that sometimes I'll say I'm going to coach for I'm sixty or you know, I'm gonna I'm going to coach, you know, just my fifty ninth year. I mean, I would like to enjoy, you know, a part of my life where I have some vitality, some health because.

00:44:18
Speaker 12: I love my wife.

00:44:19
Speaker 8: I want to and I want my wife and my family to experience life outside of basketball, where you could travel and and be more of a civilian, be live, live a more normal life, have a normal Christmas holiday in the new year. So I'm like, i feel like I'm always playing on New Year's or New Year's Eve, and I feel like my I was gonna pit my stomach on Christmas Eve or what have you. But then the other aspect of it for me is like when you're in a sports world, whether you're a player or you're a coach, and you're making the type of money that we're making, you know, I just feel like you have an obligation to literally push yourself to the point of burnout for the seven or eight million dollars a year that they pay me to coach Yukon. I should work myself close to death for that to make that type of living to be a basketball coach. If you're an NBA player or an NFL player making twenty thirty forty million dollars a year, you should last thing you should be thinking about as longevity. What you should be thinking about it for me, for the way I look at it is pushing yourself to the absolute max until burnout hits and then you obviously at that point then you could retire. You know, I grew up you know the coaches like Dick for Meal, you know, were the coaches that that I idolized.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you gotta have quality and that has to be balanced.

00:45:47
Speaker 12: I've got that ahead of me.

00:45:49
Speaker 3: You know, No, No, you need it, you need trust me.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: I did not have balance when I did Sports Center, and it was less stressful by far than what you're going through. And until I found some kind of Allen's I didn't enjoy it. And I don't know if you enjoy those two championships as much as you probably should have, you know, the highest of highs. You're probably you know, fixated on what happened last season, and and.

00:46:13
Speaker 3: You know that's you gotta have balance, man, you gotta it's.

00:46:18
Speaker 12: Listen, you enjoy I mean the the like when you realize you've won the championship.

00:46:24
Speaker 8: There there's an uh, there's an an elation and an indescribable feeling of joy and love. You know that that reaches you, like the deepest parts of your soul. And this this this incredible realization of this of climbing Mount Everest and being at the top, it does it dissipates so quickly. Yeah, but you know the end, I think with just a way that I'm wired, and I think a lot of I think you know a lot of the best coaches and the people like my dad that I've modeled. It's like the season feels a lot like suffering and relief. Suffering and relief suffering and relief and then it either ends in elation or or it ends the way it ended for me in Florida versus Florida. And then there's the tunnel and there's the sore loser Dan.

00:47:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think back on that at all?

00:47:24
Speaker 12: What you know?

00:47:25
Speaker 3: Sore loser? Dan?

00:47:27
Speaker 12: I do?

00:47:28
Speaker 3: I know you dress it, but you know where did that come from? Where?

00:47:33
Speaker 7: You know?

00:47:34
Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's just the competitor in you?

00:47:36
Speaker 12: It is.

00:47:37
Speaker 8: And I think again, like you know, think a couple of days could be true. I got to get better that way. Yeah, Like that's something that trusts me when it's over, you know, and you know I lacked that that that that self control and and awareness to be able to just walk away, you know, Like yeah, I mean that's disappointing. You know, I end up, you know, tarnishing my reputation and you know, like you know, it's embarrassing and it's it's not a positive thing, but it's also too a lot of you know, my superpower that I bring to your organization is this relentless.

00:48:20
Speaker 12: Competitive drive that that my teams embody.

00:48:24
Speaker 9: Uh.

00:48:24
Speaker 8: And I do think in sports you do need more more of the characters that go I think kind of life or death urgency with with winning and losing.

00:48:35
Speaker 12: I think is what makes sports great.

00:48:37
Speaker 8: So I think you you know, not having characters that that look at games that you know, I don't look at it like a game.

00:48:46
Speaker 12: I look at it like a battle, a fight. It's not a game for me.

00:48:53
Speaker 3: Your voice sounds like it's in mid season form?

00:48:55
Speaker 12: Does it?

00:48:56
Speaker 3: Does it ever sound good?

00:48:59
Speaker 12: I mean, yes, that it was day one and uh, you know, and and I'm ready to go. And this is winter Dan.

00:49:08
Speaker 8: I think summer Dan, you know, is late, a little more laid back, uh, you know, but this is the time of year where we all turn it up. I'm excited about this team. I think that this team, you know, you don't go into the year like last year. I think you have enough time with your team in the summer and in the preseason where I think going into last year there was a feeling amongst the staff that maybe we didn't have enough relative to what we put together, uh, to be able to go for the three p That will not be this team story. This team has enough if we give absolutely everything and if our pursuit is honorable, if it's an honorable pursuit of championships with the way that we approach things, uh that this team will have a chance to compete for all the championships.

00:50:00
Speaker 2: I hope the book is cathartic for you because you you're visiting a lot of different places. Hopefully you don't have to revisit them anymore. But you know, when you write a memoir, you've got to dig deep down, and you certainly did in this book with the help of Ian.

00:50:17
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Dan for me when I when I read it, you know, I always walked away from it saying, you know, like you know, your your life is kind of it's it's a little bit like a movie. You know, like you're you know, you've got this kind of a little bit not that I'm a hero, but you got this kind of a little bit of a hero's journey, and it's got all the elements of of you know, you know, your struggles becoming you know, your strength and the end and just it's a real human story of like you know, personal struggle, family struggle, career struggle. You know, you've got this coach, you know, with dragon underwear laying under his dad before games because of his anxiety.

00:51:02
Speaker 12: You know, I don't know who would play me?

00:51:06
Speaker 8: I guess I've been told like maybe a Billy Bob Thornton because of the cursing, But I don't know who would play me.

00:51:14
Speaker 3: We can work on that.

00:51:16
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a happy ending when that movie comes out, a happy ending. Great to talk to you again, Thanks, thanks for sharing. Thanks, that's Dan Hurley. The book is called Never Stop Life Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great.