#141 - Sharna Burgess talks about how she got recruited on Dancing with the Stars + how couples gets paired up + their odds of winning this season.

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I'dly have never broken a bone ever, never broken a bone, but I did snap my a c l in half and twist up my meniscus more times than they could count and fix. Basically. That happened when I was fifteen. I was using the World Championships and it went, wait, so, how do you is that like a move like a spin or a pivot or a push? It was. It was jive, which you know a lot about, which is a very intense like jumpy movie dance. Yeah, it's it's a very intense dance, but also just competing the World Championships is intense. You know, you're leading up to it during seven days a week, training NonStop, and it's it's hours and hours on end. And then you get to the day and the semifinal would have been probably eight nine rounds in. We'd already done now, competed and danced eight or nine times that day, and so your body is tired. And we got to the final dance in the semifinals and that was the jive and I did this jump thing where he would we would jump up and jump back down and I just must have landed the wrong way and I felt something give and I came off the floor and it had blown up like a grapefruit. And I was sitting there with the medic and we were in Austria, so there was no English really going between us. It was just kind of hand signals, but was basically telling me that I shouldn't dance. And then my dance partner came running in and told me that we made the final. And no one was going to tell this fifteen year old that she wasn't going to dance in the final the World Championships, and so I made them drain the fluid out of my name my knee, put courter zone in it, and I went out and danced half a dance and to many gave out. So you didn't get through it? No, gosh, no I didn't. I barely finished the first dance and then I got off the floor and they had to hook me up to this machine and um with the electric pads and stuff to try and figure it out. I got flown back to Australia and had a full A C O reconstruction. So how do you as a fifteen year old competing in the World Championships that normal? It's like gymnastics where there are a lot of fifteen year olds that are starting to be good. Or were you young for your age? Yeah? I was young for my age group, but it was youth so it was under twenty one, so I was fifteen. There was one year olds there, so it was yes, in a sense, I was ahead of my age. My dance partner was two years older than me. He was seventeen or eighteen at the time, I think, so there was Yeah, there was a lot of fifteen or sixen year olds there, but predominantly everyone is a lot older, When was it for you that you started to go, oh, I'm actually kind of better than everyone, because there had to be that point no, because you are obviously a great dance sir, and there had to be a point of separation. A lot of my athlete friends, even my musician friends, through work or talent and usually mixture of both, they started to go oh, I was seventeen and I could start to see myself growing faster than my peers. So when was that for you? I think that, to be honest, I don't even know if I've really ever had that moment, if I'm being real with you. When I was fifteen and competing in the World Championships, I started to resent dance a little bit. I didn't see it for what it was it was. I felt like it was my parents putting me in it, and I knew I was good at it. You know, I was Australian champion going too the World Championships. There's a certain confidence and cockiness that goes with that. But I was always searching for something else, this freedom that I thought that I wanted, and so when I busted my knee and I had these two years off the dance floor, That's when it became my choice to want to go back to dancing. And when I went back two years later, I had dropped very far from the top of the leaderboard. I had to retake train my body how to do what it was doing, and so I felt like I was always behind everybody else. And so perseverance and hard work, moved myself to London on my own at eighteen, started training, you know, working three jobs just to be able to afford to dance, to try and catch up to everybody, and it probably it took me a good few years after that. I would have been in my mid twenties when I was like, okay, alright, I'm pretty I'm pretty damn good at this and kind of happened. Then, Yeah, it took a lot. What is it with you? Then that separates you because I just see a bunch of elite athletes. You guys are so good that it's like walking to the land of giants. And okay, so one giant three ft taller than the other, you're still all fifteen ft tall. You know, That's what it seems like in that that space when we're all working and I don't know who's amazing and who's amazing plus one right, because I've never seen it before. It's like watching I'll make a different analogy someone through a hundred and three mile in our fastball and a ninety seven mile in our fastball. Both point zero zero zero one. For some of the population can do right. But there's a difference if you watch enough baseball that you can see it now. I haven't seen enough dance to know the difference. So what is it about you now that makes you throw the hundred and three fastball? Oh? My god, life experience. I think what separates all of us on that show is that we learned how to not just be dancers, but be communicators, to be mentors, to be teachers. There's there's an art form to that as to why we are the twelve chosen few to be a part of Dancing with the Stars and to be elite and to be able to throw a hundred and three. It is so much more than just you learning how to dance. It's being able to understand a person and to put to be honest with them first before what you want in that moment. That's what makes a great coach. You've got to mold to the person in front of you. And there have been a lot of great dances that have come on this show and not lasted because they haven't had the ability to do that. It's a it's a completely different world. I've been so far out of the competitive ballroom world now that I'm like a hybrid of you know, ballroom and commercial dance and TV and cre aiding and storytelling. It's been I couldn't imagine going back to just being a dancer because I am obsessed with being a creator and a mental As a coach, It's interesting because I will watch just because I coach people at different things, but I'll watch you coach me, and I can tell when you're really frustrated and you don't want it to come through, and you're trying so hard not to be frustrated, but you do a great job at the time of not letting it show and just keeping your head down and you keep pushing you, which keeps pushing me. That's a that's a real quality trait that there aren't a lot of great coaches. When did you get good at actually figuring people out? I think I've always been good at figuring. Like Dick Season one, Yeah, did you could you figure them out pretty quickly how to coach them. Yeah, because I have experienced to let people throughout my life with drug and substance abuse, you know, in the history of trying to get clean, trying to go to rehab, and trying to get their life together, so you know, like his situations, so you kind of worked around him. Yeah. That I learned that you you have to work with the person in front of you, not no two people are the same. So as a coach, I can't coach you the same as I coach Josh Norman. You know, you're You're two completely different people. That required two different styles of teaching. Uh. And Andy Dick was was my first partner ever on the show. Was like, congratulations, zero pro you have Andy Dick. I had no idea who he was until I saw his face and thought, oh gosh, what am I in for this season? And he was very broken on the inside and had a lot of demons. But through dance and through him and I working together, we really got through a lot of stuff. But you know, it was a huge learning curve for me. That was my first experience of having to put another person ahead of my creativity, ahead of my dancing and learning how to be the support for that person. But I actually loved that. I spent my whole life being the one that was on stage, center front and dancing, especially while I was touring. So it's really beautiful to give that moment to someone else. Now, so how do you how do you get on Dancing with the Stars of the pro Like? What's that? What do they what do they find you people? I mean now in the days of like so you think you can dance, it's it's a really great recruiting tool. Basically, you know, you can see these ballroom dancers from across the planet, so or you know, across the country, go on this show and really pick who you want. That's how we got Whitney, Lindsay, Jenna, There's a lot of them we got from that show. But back before then, before so you think, was really that massive. You couldn't audition for Dancing with the Stars. They just had to know about you. They had to know your name within their circle for you to even get a look in. And the way that they found me was I was dancing on Broadway in two thousand and nine and we had Max Tchmikowsky come and star in it as our as our celebrity dancer, and so he was on Dancing with the Stars at the time. He was pro. He was a pro. So he's Vow's brother Valen Jenna Vowed Tchmilkowsky on the show Dancing with Nancy. That's his older brother. Yes, yes, they're both amazing people their family to me. But anyway, Max has been on since season three, I think. So he came out and starting the show. The whole of the Dancing with the Stars production team came out to support and see him, and also, you know, quietly recruit a couple of us from that show, and that's where they found me, Sasha Peter who isn't on this season but was on previously, Emma Artem, a whole lot of us came from there. So when you get the call and they say come do Dancing with the Stars, is that like Saturday Night Live for dancers? Is that? Yeah? Kind I mean it is now. Back in the day, the purists didn't want to have anything to do with it Dancing with the Stars for the last two to three seasons. Maybe here we are at season twenty seven and still going strong. It was it was thought to be that you were selling out if you went to do a Dancing with the Stars from the competing world. But now everyone wants to be a part of it because it's incredible what it's done for dance. It's put ballroom dancing back on the map and in the living rooms of people a cross America. More and more dance schools a film now are full of people going to take ballroom dancing lessons because they see it on Dancing with the Stars. It's amazing. What kind of kid were you? So you're four or five, six years old? What was that about? Oh my god, I was so many different, so many different levels when I was growing up. I feel like I went through so many different stages as of four or five and six year old, I was this sweet little blonde hair, blue eyed pig tails running around couldn't I couldn't tell a lie if you begged me, I could. I was always just my heart on my sleeve. And Australia growing up in Wogga Wogga, I was part of the I I'm looking at a map, what part of that Wagga Wogga. So there's the East Coast and you know as Sydney is and Melbourne is, right Sydney is sort of in the middle of the East Coast, say, it's a little lower than that, and then Melbourne is at the bottom. If you draw inland and meet those two points, that's where you would find Wogga Wogga. It's inland. But in between Sydney and Melbourne. No, there's a huge lake, a massive massive that we would ski every uh summer as kids and it was amazing. My nan used to live right across the road from the lake. We call it Burgess Beach, be out there every day. So you're a kid, your parents are together at four at the time. Yeah, kind of on enough, but at the time you have brothers and sisters. No, I have a half brother from my dad's first marriage who I was really close with as a kid, but through family falling out see, and I haven't spoken for a very long time. That's always a weird thing because I have a half brother I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy, right, and it's like half of my blood and lungs and hair, and but I don't know my real dad. I just you know, I just met him again recently. Yeah, that's a weird thing to have someone that you like share half your genetics with and don't know. Yeah, it's well, I mean I think for me what was tough is he was my He was my brother growing up, you guys had a brother and relationship. I remember that I would hide in the closets when I knew he was coming home from work so we could play hide and seek. He was my brother. I knew no different, but you know not, you know, I didn't have a falling out, but our family didn't hear my dad, and so I just ended up that we lost touch and that hurt because I lost him when I was about fifteen sixteen. So your mom and dad split, you go with one of them, leave both of them. My mom and dad were on and off together when I was really young, and then they stuck it out and they stayed until I left home. And I moved out of home when I was seventeen, and they lasted maybe six months after that. Where'd you go after I moved out for a little bit while I was in Sydney, and then a few months later I moved to Melbourne. Um, and I was living in Melbourne on my own and then packing my bags and moved to London. Were you dancing in Melbourne? Yeah, I was. That was when I started to get back into dance after I had been a rebellious, crazy teenager for a couple of years there and got all the freedom in the world that I thought I wanted. And when I got back into dance, I had to relocate to Melbourne. So you go to London to do what all the world's best coaches were there the time, back in the days of uh like Blackpool, which is basically our World Championships, which is this little like little almost casino town in the UK, and they host the biggest ballroom dancing competition in the world. It's bigger than the world really. Because of the World Championships you only get two couples from each country. At Blackpool you get all of them. There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of couples that compete and you go there every year, and so that was kind of the hub of borrom dancing. All the best coaches lived in London at this little studio called Semily, and you would be practicing every single night from eight pm for eight pound and you would go in and you'd do hr eight sambers, eight rumbers, eight drives, eight whatever. But you would also see the top six in the world practicing right next to you. I mean, that's inspiration right there. And then throughout the day you would go and have your dance lessons from some of the best in the world. So in London, your goal was what though, years old, what's the plan? I thought it was going to be world champ. That was my goal. I never had a dream of being in television. I never even thought that I'd end up in in this kind of world. I was going to own a dance studio, go back to Australia, teach dance, give back to my community. What does the world champion mean? Though? Like? What did you want to wrestling? Belt me? No, at the time, it just sounds like it's what you want to do, right, You just want to be the best in your field. But doing money, no, not even really. I mean ball room dancing, you don't earn that much money. You spend a lot of money. But at the time, again, that was my art form, it was my craft. It was it was what I was passionate about, and so I thought, I want to be the best at it, and to be the best, you have to be the world champion. You did get hired to go and do shows for certain events, but that's not enough. They're not going to make a ton of money doing that. Um. And I'm really grateful that I ended up in the direction that I have to give me, you know, an opportunity to explore other things too with my creativity. But at the time, I didn't even know all this existed. So you moved the States for a job, I moved to So I left touring when at the end of two thousand and ten, I went to London and charreographed a movie over there. It's basically the European version of Step Up called Street Dance Too, and h I choreographed that and from there I came over to Dancing with the Stars in August two thousand and eleven. And what's it like when you first enter Dancing with the Stars Because there are a lot of other dancers that have been there, And I see Brandon this season, it's his first time, and he's a little deer in headlights. Yeah he is. He's like, oh my god, Hope I did okay. And I'm like, dude, you're a freaking pro. He's amazing. He's amazing. He just doesn't see it yet. And so your first season, do you feel like you have something to prove and do they give you one of the hardest Not Andy Dick specifically, but anyone that comes, I guess not Brandon because he has somebody really good. Well, yeah, Brandon has been around for a little bit, and I think he's such a good match with his partner because he has He's a very well rounded dancer. He does hip hop, he does contemporary, he does jazz, and that's what to Nase is great at two, So a really good match where some of our other male dancers haven't studied those forms of dance. They're just straight ballroom. Um. So the show really tries to match you with who they think best works. But my very first season on the show, I wasn't with a celebrity partner. I was on the Troop. Yeah, I started in the truth. When they originally wanted me in two thousand nine, there was no troop. They wanted to be me to be a pro straight away. But then when I could finally join them in two thousand and eleven, there was this thing called the Troop and they said, we want to introduce you to our fans so they get to know you before we lose one of our old fan favorites at the time. So I did that. But my very very first episode, they asked me to choreograph the opening number because I just came off choreographing a movie, and I said no to it. I said no because it was like, Okay, here's this new kid coming in. None all of them have egos and attitudes, and I didn't. I knew some of them, that not all of them, and I didn't want to just come in as this kid on the Troopers at bossing everyone around you. Stand here, let's go. So I actually said note to it because I was so intimidated by it that I didn't want to come out and and I don't know, I just felt like it wasn't gonna be a good look for me. Probably would have been a good look, I don't know. Stupid decision, but at the time I was way too intimidated to do it. So how many seasons did you Troop? Three? I didn't know this, So you're on the Troop for three seasons, meaning for someone like me, we don't know what that means. That means you're one of the extra background dancers. Yeah. See, at the time when I was on the Troop. It was amazing because we also had a Tuesday show every week, but celebrities didn't dance on it. The Troop did. We would do all the opening numbers. I was choreographing opening numbers. We didn't have Mandy Moore. We'd have as by the way, Mandy Moore is not the singer Mandymore. It's choreography. Yeah. We had a little big town come on. We had a bunch of incredible artists come on. Kiss was one of them, which was really cool for me. And I would choreograph the dances for them. We would do group numbers and I would choreograph, and I would meet the band and or the group or the singer, and you know, put these pieces together and every Tuesday we dance and perform. I was living my life. Troop was so different years ago. Now the Troop basically gets to be background and all of our dances. They really don't get an opportunity to shine and show how incredible they are, which is such a shame. So you're talking about people getting teamed up with the pros because of who they are, meaning who the pros are and what they can teach. How in the world did we get teamed together in your mind because we're both single? What do you think? I don't know that. That's the only reason I don't know that answer. It's I mean at the end of the day, that the show matches you up based off ability. Yes, you have quite a story to tell, and to be honest, I'm one of the best storytellers on the show. That's not saying I'm the best choreographer. We're all amazing at what we do. But I have such a love for telling stories and especially people's stories. And I think that's a huge part of it, because I'm a nurture and they know I'm going to tell your story well. But I do think at the same time, in knowing I'm the only single girl on the cast, they always pain me up with some when in the hopes that maybe it will spark a little something they want. Once they got it right, and it was Robert and Kim and they ended up getting married and having twins, and there there's a shark, yeah, the shark tank guy, and they are honestly a match made in heaven. It was this was they were supposed to meet Ah and all these people at the show of My Family too, so they're just trying to, I guess, help me out. So let me ask you this then whenever they put us together, and you see, it's me and I have no experience whatsoever. And we spent the first week together. And you can say this now because I think we're getting in a better place to where I think we can do some damage. And I'm getting better and you're getting better at teaching me. We're not close to the good ones yet, but we have things they don't. Absolutely, But are you like that we don't have a chance. No, not at all. Really, Yeah, gosh, there's been Honestly, I've only had a couple of partners, with the exception of the fact that a lot of them have been athletes. There has only ever been Nick Carter, who had dance experience, and Charlie White, who had dance experience and he was an athlete too, athlete, he was an ice ice dancer, you know. Other than that, I Jane Tinchcliffe turned up. All he does is sit in a car and drive for a living. Never had dance experience, you know, it shouldn't have had any coordination. There's been a lot of people that turn up and I think, oh, gosh, oh gosh, I've got my hands full. But never do I think we've got absolutely no hope because the beauty about this show is you never know what's going to happen. Sometimes you think it's going to be the best dancer that wins, and it isn't. That person just falls by the wayside, and they're really people are really loving to watch the one that inspires them or motivates them, or the one that's had the most growth. You never know what fans are looking for every season or Dancing with the Stars, so you can absolutely, absolutely the best dancer cannot win. For example, when Rashard Jennings one minds you he's amazing. Don't get me wrong, he's going to his athlete too. He's an athlete and he's a great dancer. But Normandy was on that season who is a who is if not better into nach do you know what I mean? She's She was just phenomenal. She was with val they did the most incredible pieces all the season. The third David Ross beta about how okay to be fair? Shot is again a great athlete move okay, David Ross couldn't but then didn't win like second compare someone though, in this world of Dancing with the Stars to me, who has no super athletic experience like I played in high school, a little bit in college, but not even at a high level. So no athlete and never danced like I looked at the list I went to every single person, every one of them. But why are you trying to find someone like you? There's no one like me? That's that's a good thing and a wow, there's never been anyone to win this show, Like there's a reason things continue to happen in history, right, um, but in the history of the show, no one coming from my background has ever won the show. And to you, you gotta be like, oh, man, like, are you kidding? I got you? Could you have a one yet? No? I've come close. You've been a second three times. Three times. You're one of two people just doing statistics at the end. Yeah, if you just say you're gonna be one and one three different times, you would bet all your money that one of those three times you're getting hit statistically speaking, and you haven't hit. I know. This is what is the nickname that that they said, Leonardo Dicaffrie of Danger. But he finally won. He finally went eventually after what ten years? I don't have ten years left. You and I have to win this season. I feel like we have to win this season. Like I'm even you know, looking at the trajectory, like if we just get so much better each week, and sometimes you won't get better. Sometimes you like to take a step back, take two more steps forward. But I think we can do it. But we have got to hit it right every week. We have no room just to really fall back, No, we don't. You just have to show growth every week. There is they cannot be fullback, especially for us because we are starting pretty far behind everyone as far as dance ability goes, you know, and like you said the flu though, Listen, I've seen you push through being sick already. Let's not forget that. I see you pushing through injuries and pain. If you get no end, what if you get hurt? I'm exactly the same, h Mike, what do you think about all this? You're listening? Like, what what's your bigger You've been watching us every day. We haven't had a day off, you know, we haven't. I mean, I've already seen you guy a lot better. Yeah, and it's crazy to see you go from being just like kind of dreading doing it, like because you know, when you're not really good at something, you get kind of blustered, and now you're like more comfortable. What do you think about that statement? Yeah? I agree. I agree that you are getting more comfortable and that you're getting confidence in yourself and that you actually hear me when I say good job, or you believe me when I say I'm proud of you. It's you've come in leaps and bounds, not just in dance, but I think in human ways, in being able to be vulnerable in that room and this actually this week, dude, you could not have done this dance, even forget physically emotionally, three years ago, three years, three weeks ago, three years ago. Definitely, it feels like a started, doesn't it. I feel like I've known you my whole life. I'll tell you that, I feel like I've known you my whole life, and so that makes it easier for me to tell your story. But in knowing you and knowing who you were three weeks ago, four weeks ago when we started, there is no way that you could have been this open and this vulnerable in dance. And that's what I think is so beautiful about this, and that's what people are going to love to see. We have never I have never spent as much time with someone so often, so quickly, because it was Bobby Sharna, Sharna, Bobby. You're together now every day, every day, and when you're not, you're texting or you're talking. I've never spent I just it would be almost impossible for me to do with somebody I didn't like. Yes, totally, it will. It is nearly impossible. Trust me, I've had to do it, you know, and it's it's soul destroying when you feel like you have to be in that space with that person and to be creative with them. You know, that's really really hard. But we have every now and then you get paid with someone on this show where you have a very special connection with For the most of the part, it is easy. Yeah, you go in, you do jump, and it's good and you you have a lot of fun. You get close, but not all the time do you stay connected after the season. There have been a couple of my life where I really have. One is Noah Galloway. One is James Hinchcliffe. And I'm pretty dang sure that you are not going to be in each other's lives for a very long time. I don't know. I'm a tough one. You're going to be rid of me as soon as I've done. I'm a tough nut. I'll tell you this though, that I've never touched a human as much. I know. Yeah, it's a lot to get used to. Nobody touches me. Nobody touches me, like, don't touch I'm not I don't touch hands. I'm a germophobe. And then all of a sudden, it's just like getting dunked into a bucket where it's like Shanages holds hands and then your hands are on It's it's a whole world. I can't even think about it. I'm never not touching you though, right the whole time. It's something even when I'm sitting next to you, I'm linked into you while my shoulder is next to you. There is a closeness that comes with dance because there's a you know, you become very familiar with each other and so that touch becomes something very very normal, and it doesn't have to be a sexual thing. It's just a friendship and a beautiful in a connection and a an intimacy in a different way because you and I are spending all of our time with one another. We got to know each other very very deeply, and you're letting me tell your story. That's a whole lot of trust right there. It'd be weird if we weren't able to hold hands, but we couldn't do don't hold anybody in hand and your mind. I know, Mike. I got Dammy's hand the other day just because I was like, hey man, I grabbed her hand and walking and she was like, what are you doing? Like, I don't know, man, Charlie's got me into the whole bubble. It's a whole new thing. Well, and there's a bit of trust for you to come here and do and have me to ask you about your life because it's just you and me and two microphones right now. And I could walk you down any path I wanted and say tell me this, tell me who you hate, tell me. But there's there's trust here that you trust me not to take you somewhere that's not good for you. Yeah, of course I trust that. I wouldn't do this if I didn't trust you. Why witch you got and I have nothing? I was asking Sharna earlier Mike, because she's had a bunch of pro athletes like because and someone like Antonio Brown who plays for the Steelers, one of the best wide receivers, one of the best athletes in the NFL. Like you worked with him, Yeah, I did. I can't imagine like somebody that like he's like a Greek god, like his body, how he moved, how fast he is. Like when you get someone that is that just athletic, chiseled, muscular, it's like art. Yeah, I mean, it's it's phenomenal what you can do when it comes to athletes, right, they're so coordinated and and uh ready to learn. A body has been through the ring already with what they do for their career and then you know, pushing it to do something beyond its limit. They used to being coached and pushed and so it's a it's a whole another level. And I work with them in a completely different way to the way that I work with you. With them, it's a different experience, but it is amazing. It's equally amazing to work with you too. You know, there's sometimes athletes come on but they don't really have a story that they want to share. It's all just gold chains and money. That's what I wished my way my story. Gold chains and money, two things I don't really give a crap about. Yeah, exactly, I wish that was my story. Got no depth to that. Gold chains and money. It's a couple couple gold chain, just a couple of I'm pretty sure you could get them. I don't really want to, I just wish I wanted them. I think we were talking earlier like I wished I wanted to be cooler. Yeah. I don't think you need to be any cooler. You are cool just the way that you are. What's cooler? What would be cooler? Gold chains of money? Yeah? Yeah, just show up, blinged out out. Just get diamonds all around. The had to be glasses, just full diamond glasses. Okay, let's let's do best and worst. We'll talk about we'll do each other. Okay in this game. Best and worst in this game, well done. Best and worst thing about working with me on this show. We'll do best first, go ahead. Best thing is getting to know you as a human. Not to be sentimental and cheesy, but very very true. Okay, and what's the worst. The hardest thing about working with me on this show. Uh, the wild card that you are on Mondays, sometimes your energy goes kind of about out the window. And we've only had two weeks. To be fair, the sample size is very small sample sizes. So you're asking me again like I shouldn't I shouldn't have interrupted. I'm sorry. Let me ask you what's the hardest the worst part so far? You being a wild card on Monday Nights. But you should ask me again in a couple of weeks, because I have a feeling that it's going to change. I think it's gonna change to um, you got really mad at me, and mad people will hear this for a whole for a year, two or three years to come. But what happened was last week and week two we did what's called a fox dance foxtrot foxtrot, fox trot, And on the foxtrot I did okay, And at the end we were let's we were the last act. We were the last act. I felt and it was a slow dance and I felt pressured to and you had choreographed this beautiful dance. We got to the very end and I didn't sit down on the bench. Instead, I flast I was going to kill you. You were you were so pissed, you were so mad, so hard with the rose. When you sat next to me, I forgot that I was on live television. Even outside of that. Yeah, I was pissed. You were so pissed, just genuinely, and I was disappointed in myself and the fact that I didn't like for you to be mad at me. I wasn't mad at what I did, and I told you that, but I hated that you were upset with me. I hated it. I was so upset with you. But do you know why, Because it's not that it's not that I was offended that you would do that to my choreography. It's not that I was I felt like you did something wrong to me. It was I didn't want people to look at you and think, oh, he's not taking this seriously. He's just a goofball, having fun out there whatever, and not care about you. Because people take this show very seriously. They are so passionate about getting behind their favorite and voting to help them go and win or help them on their journey, and if they see that you're not taking it seriously, then their votes go to someone else. But I know how passionate you are, and I know how much you work, and I know what it took for that week for us to just get through those two dances. And at the end of that freaking week it was like me and meltdown status, especially for me. On Friday, I wanted to kill you. You couldn't even finish the last move I wanted. I wanted to punch you if I really you know you did and you walked off as we finished our TV. I left you and she left like she walked, and I was like, that's gone, and this is this is my thought process at the time. I thought, I think America is gonna like what I did, and I thought I was the last act, and I felt pressure could be with the last act on the show. And I felt that it was a slow dance. It would have been a fast dance. I wouldn't I wouldn't have done that. I felt like there was energy, good energy, um, but I didn't like for you to be upset. So I was walking this line aside of my head. And so you came over and I apologized hard and sincere as possible. You were still mad, but yet and you shouldn't have and I haven't said to you should be mad, and then we went back. It was here's the problem that was bothers into me, Mike, is that if you're fighting with your girlfriend, you have to fix it so she can still be your girlfriend. You know, Sharne is not my girlfriend. I still gotta fix it. And I was like, I gotta fix this. I gotta like I getta. But it did because I knew we would be together for a while, and we said and we talked and I explained why I right or wrong did what I did. And I promise I was never gonna surprise you again. But what if I would have said to Searn, I want to plause at the end of this dance, what would you have really said? I mean mean, who told you not to? I would have told you it wasn't the time to do it. I know you would have. But then I text you later that night and I was like, I trust you implicitly, do you and don't change right? No, No, you did, And I'm gonna get to that because we had we just had a talk where we started understanding. I think that was a great thing for our growth as together. Probably when we sat in the trailer for five minutes and we're just like all guts out, we were just I think that was good for us because we both had to one let one wall down and to kind of establish, hey, we both have a thing that we're doing here, right. I think that was good for us. And you would have said no, I know you would have said. I would have said you said no, and then I would have done it. You would have got double piste because I would have done it and you would have already said no. I do not like being in the dock about things. I do not like it. No one does. But do it again, and I'm not doing it again. Not again. I actually punched you on live tele and you would at this point, I know I'm not doing it again, but I will say that, um, I promised you that I'm not gonna do anything like that any more. Surprises, yes, most surprises. So and this next dance is serious and it's perfect timing, and you picked a great serious what do you call it? A contemporary? Yeah? Contemporary? Well, I mean it's really your story. So the dance, this is all this is you. Yeah, this is what I do. F you designed all of telling the story, by all the movements, and but you're also known you. You're gonna say this because you already kind of jumped around it. You're also known around that place as the best choreographer. Like that's what they know you as. Like they say, Searn, Oh, she's the best choreographer of the group. That's what they tell me. They're like, you got lucky because you don't know what you're doing. But she knows what she's doing, not just how to dance, but how to create and inside of you know, the square or whatever they call the ball or I don't know what that is. And ball room is not like just ball room dancing. Does that count? Is like jive? Is that ball room? Yeah? So well, specifically, ballroom dancing is made up of ten different dances, which is two different styles as the standard style and the Latin American style. Standard is waltz, tango, fox struck, quickstep, Viennese waltz, and then the Latin American side of things is chatch our, rumper, samba, pacative land. I've any of that means, yeah, that was all just Chinese, right. I was asking her about the Vietnamese waltz, Na, what is it? What do you want to do? What's your goal? In five years. What do you want to do my goal in five years. I love to act. I love to I'm getting I've gotten back into singing over the last twelve months as well, and I really enjoyed that too. But I've had this feeling I'm gonna end up in hosting. I love talking for a living and enjoy talking to people and conversing with people, and I want to continue to build on this platform that I have because I really like that I get to have a voice and I get to inspire people and I get to create change with it if I want to. And I don't take that for granted. And I see things in my future where I get to um make a difference specifically for women, best and worst. Let me do you real quick. The best thing is that you figured out how I work, meaning I just want to work. There's no And at first it was like, hey, you gotta like stop doing math probabilities in your head, Bobby, you like, stop stop walking to the corner, because I'll be like right foot the apple dashed forward seven nine. But I think you know now that when I show up, I'm there, I'm early, I'm ready to work. I'm working when I get home and we just work. You don't have to coddle me. Nope, you don't call me no, I definitely don't even But when I'm tough on you, even sometimes I'm still like, I'm so sorry I'm not being nice to say. What do I say when you say that you don't need me to be Yeah, I'm like, I don't need you to be nice, Like you treat me consistent, And that's the most important way you can treat someone because I just know that if you're then if you become in consistent, it's true. Like if you're consistent with me all the time and you do go oh, hey that's really bad, stop doing that. I know it's really bad. Or if you go, hey that's really good, I still flinch, but I know it's good. I say things are awful, Yeah, look that was awful. Why do you do that? What is that? And I'm like, we're going so good? Tell me what that was? Why do I not like that? Um? So that's the best thing is I think consistency is currency and I love it. I'm totally as long as you're the same, and you are. Um. The worst thing is that you're just late. I know. It just drives me up the wall, up the freaking wall, because you're earlier every time. There. I mean, I gotta wreck. I got a car wreck, and I was six minutes late, and so always ten minutes late. Yeah, well so okay, and we'll work on that. I'll work on that. Way. We've been to this for forty minutes. That went really quick. Oh we could do three hours. I'm an expert at this and you're good, so we we'd be good. We do this all the time anyway, just with no microphones. We'll do it again again. This is like a human time Shanna Burges dot com. What can they see and find out there? Shana dot com. We'll lead you to actually my shop that has a whole lot of my dance cardio workouts, which a really favorite thing of mine that I'm doing right now to help people get to move and understand how to dance and gain confidence in their body. It's something that you can attest soon now too. And having just danced for a little while, a whole bunch of merchandise that is female empowerment inspired and just all things me basically, a little bit of a blog, a little bit of everything, and we're gonna go and we're flying to California right now because it's a sad Saturday. All sense of days has gone with a Saturday. Yeah, uh we go and Monday we're on again. Hopefully we'll make it to the next round. And thank you all. Please keep voting, like that's how we're going to get what we're gonna get. Sure we're not to Nach or DeMarcus like people that have quickly a natural ability. Yeah, like it's going to be my people, and then we're gonna get better as my people help us. Like that's real, that's really gonna be it. So uh good, Jeff, Fine, this is good for you, This is amazing. Let's do it again, all right, Shawnabrow just episode one forty one, one forty one. Thanks for listening to the Bobby Cast. We'll see you next time. M