RHOP Reunion with Jassi + ANTM Doc Drama & More

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from The Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from The Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: One thing you all have been checking out that has been the talk of the universe for a week has been The America's Next Top Model Netflix documentary. This three episode documentary broke Twitter. I want to say, maybe today is the first day it died down and it was up a week.

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Speaker 3: Ago today, So Dustin Claudium Blue.

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Speaker 2: In this recap, as you all know, they did a deep dive into Top Model, talked about the industry, exposed some behind the scenes secrets. They got Tyred Banks and sit in the chair, which is so like iconic to get the creator of the show. But a lot of accusations were flown around. Some of the biggest highlights included Unfortunately, Miss Jay suffered a stroke and at the time of filming.

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Speaker 3: This happened a year ago when they filmed it.

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Speaker 2: A year ago, when they were filming it, he was unable to walk.

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Speaker 3: A year later. As of today, he's now able to walk. But he did yes, God is good all the time.

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Speaker 2: They did start a go fund me account guys, because he needs twenty four summing care and the go fund me request is one hundred thousand dollars. He mentioned in that documentary that Tyra Banks never visited him in the hospital and that the only thing he received was a text message, but she never mentioned seeing him. In the same documentary, Mister j Who is the Ultimate Pretty Boy for Life, he mentioned.

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Speaker 3: That when he decided to leave the show, he.

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Speaker 2: Sent tyring email. She responded three days later saying I'm disappointed. He alleged that after they begged him to at least give them one more season, he saw Tyra for the first time since sending the email, and that she will only talk to him if cameras were roaming, and that when the when the producers had to reset cameras.

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Speaker 3: And all that she wants to speak to him. He said it was uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: They did ask Tyra on camera, is a good time to talk about uh, mister J and she was like, no.

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Speaker 3: I probably call him.

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Speaker 2: As of today, she has not called him. They taped that a year ago, so a lot of things happened. I want to start with Claudia. And Claudia, you obviously been in that world, you know, not the world of course supermodels, but just like it was.

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Speaker 4: Like that.

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Speaker 3: You know you are a former Passion girl.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts when you saw the documentary and did you think it did tire any favors?

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Speaker 5: Why she win a trench coat in the interview, Like I'm like, you would go with like a nice dress. Like she's like she was like on her way somewhere and she just stopped by the documentary like just pop in real quick.

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Speaker 6: Like it was weird. Right, she's on the case. She's on the case.

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Speaker 3: She's a spy on the case.

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Speaker 5: She wasn't give someone that was supposed to be inspected gadget you know what I'm saying, Like she wasn't coming with it. No, it didn't were any favors. I think she thought it was. I think with Tyra, she like has a lot of people around her that be like yes, yes, yes, and they don't tell her like no, that's not believable. You know, I do think that she's also I do think there was some things that Tyra was involved in that was very foul. The girl Shandy, the cheating on the boyfriend, to me, was not cheating on a boyfriend. And I feel like she was sexually assaulted and to just be so cavalier about it, like, oh, she was, it was an affair.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're just recording in reality, so absolutely not. You're the woman there.

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Speaker 5: I feel like she should have had some more protection for that girl. I thought that was crazy, Like I feel like that girl got raped. That's what it looked like to me. I feel like it was a date rape situation, and everybody just like wrote it off like she cheated on her boyfriend.

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Speaker 6: They brought the boys in, put them on seat, got them drunk. This girl is one hundred.

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Speaker 5: Pounds wet and in a hot tub with liquor. And to just be so cavalier about it and just kind of blow it up. I thought that was whack as fuck. Fee I thought that was very whack. I did not like that. But I also think that everybody else jumping on a bandwagon to just be like it was Tyre, Tira, Tyra, when Tyra was not alone in saying a lot of those mean and hurtful things. So it was contested, let's not act like Tyra was just so mean, and Janice was nice, and miss J was nice, and the other j was nice, and they all said foul stuff. They said some very They was all reading the girls down. But Tyra was gonna get all the smoke. I think that all are complicit. They all bear a little responsibility in that show, and to just be like everybody distanced themselves like, oh, it wasn't mean, Yes it was, but in their defense, reality TV was way more wicked back then, and so was television. Like I think we're looking at old school television through twenty twenty six lenses, right, think about television in the eighties and nineties and two thousands, All in the Family was on. They used to say the N word, they used to say the R word. When it comes to mental health, they would say midge everything. All the words were a thing that all reasonly just that's the thing that started changing as of late. So I think that the way we speak about each other has changed a lot in the past ten fifteen years. And I think it's a little unfair to judge her by today's standards. But with that being said, there was still lots of way she definitely was She could have done better in some areas, but I don't think she's as evil as they're making her out to be.

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Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think it was the network more than her.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Dustin, Yeah, I agree with Claudia. I agree with you, Claudia. I think that it is a bit. It's just not I don't see it yielding anything fruitful to look at these old television programs through a lens of how we understand human behavior today and what wen the tools and resources that we have today to make better decisions than they made, Because they just did say a lot of fucked up shit to those contestants on that show. They did a lot of things that don't make sense when you look back at it, and I think those are the things that kind of deserve the focus here.

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Speaker 4: I also agree with Claudia.

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Speaker 7: Although Tyra Banks is a cuckoo clock right, and she's always doing Zaney, you know, she didn't lost it.

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Speaker 4: She's always acting like she's out to lunch, you know.

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Speaker 7: The whole the over dramatic commercials and the voie sees and all that stuff is just a lot, right, But I don't think it's fair to throw all the way to all that shit on there on her. Now me personally, I never watched Top Model at the height of its popularity.

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Speaker 4: The only know I.

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Speaker 7: Never was into it, bro The only season I watched was the season when Eva won. I watched that season because you know, it was being talked about in a way that piqued my interests, and I had never watched it, so I'm like, let me see what this is about. So a lot of the stuff that I saw in that documentary was new information for me. It was completely insane for whatever producers made the call to invite those boys, young boys over to the house and get drunk with those girls. That was just inappropriate. That that is something. The inappropriateness of that is ever green. That's not something that we was doing different back then. It wasn't cool then, it ain't cool now, right. But I also think that Tyer, like Claudia said.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't alone.

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Speaker 7: Remember I didn't watch, you know what I'm saying the show back in the day, so I didn't know nothing about how Janis Dickinson was showing her ass on that show.

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Speaker 4: She's the one who pissed me off after I watched that.

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Speaker 7: She sat up there with her Ozzy Osbourne looking ass.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: She set up there body shaming motherfuckers and calling them girls fat and telling her to lose weight and shit, and the whole entire time, she literally looks like a totem pole.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. She looks like somebody.

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Speaker 7: She looked like somebody whittled and carved her face into a block of wood some goddamn where. And she got the audacity sitting up there looking like the scream mask.

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Speaker 4: You know that mask from the screen movie.

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Speaker 7: She's sitting up there looking like the goddamn scream mask talking about Takara fat.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're too skinny.

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Speaker 7: So now what you know what I'm saying, Since we shaming motherfuckers up in here, she sat up in there with them that whisk broom and whisk brooms, splitting in stringy hair, split all the way to the goddamn root.

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Speaker 4: Because she's evil on the inside.

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Speaker 7: Heard the things that she said to them women, them contestants up there were so fucking mean spirited. It wasn't even like a critique said in a way that you know, my sting a little bit, but it was interesting and entertaining. She was just up there saying whatever she wanted, looking like a dead damn body. Her Maryland Manson looking motherfucking ass set up there and insulted them women like that, And I hope all of them cuts her mother fucking ass the fuck out if they're ever unfortunate enough to share space with her.

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Speaker 4: And I'm personally would a broke.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't have been able to keep it together for TV because the minute she got smarted with me out or to her, well, you look like a match so what you want to do?

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 7: You literally looked like somebody took your ank took you by the ankles, and drug your face across the back of a match book.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That's what she looks like.

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Speaker 7: So I just didn't appreciate that, and that is what I took away from the document documentary. Much love to miss Jay. I wish him the most healing. Whatever their pronouns, I wish him the most healing. You know what I'm saying and a speedy recovery, and I was moved to almost crying. You know, I'm a thug, and I was moved to to to almost shedding tears when Nigel and mister Jay went and visited Miss Jay and the way that Nigel was touching Miss Jay's arm, that's a real relationship. That was real love, and it was on a just on a very human level. Of all the crazy shit in that documentary, I'm glad people got to see that part of three people just being able to connect and bond over goodness.

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Speaker 4: But fuck Janie Dickinson. Fuck Janice Dickinson.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know why didn't nobody custs her ass the fuck out on that panel.

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Speaker 5: She used to be pretty back in the day, but then she like, you know, she was like getting on, you know, in love with the Coco and all that, and then she ended up looking like Howard Stern.

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Speaker 7: Days are going on? Those days are gone. You know what I'm saying, she does, days are gone. I'm not gonna tear up too much more because God already did that. You've seen her, but just know, like the things that she was doing that was just fileless, fuck foul foul, foul, foul. There was nothing good that she said to any of them contestants. There was nothing to glean or take. She was just being evil, So be evil. Right back to her motherfucking the wick looking as she looked like a wick, a wooden wick.

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Speaker 4: From a candle after you lit it, That's what she looked like.

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Speaker 3: Wendy three wick are Karen's.

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Speaker 4: Only one struggle wick crackling.

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Speaker 3: Blue to Lousma, your thoughts, I have a very different perspective, very very different.

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Speaker 8: The first thing is the fish stinks from the head, so we have to be very careful pretending that the responsibility is equal, because it's not. Tyra Banks is the executive producer and the creator of the show. Her and can Mock take all the credit when things are good. There's another side to that, right and sot him, Him and Tyra are the two eyeballs of the fish. And so in the same way that when I come on this show, I know that I'm going to be safe. I know that I can be raw, and I also know I'm gonna have a great time. Right That's even though I love you and Claudia. That's because of the ecosystem created by Carlos. Carlos has created the ecosystem that when he brings in Dustin, the audience knows to trust Dustin. When he brings in Claudia, the audience knows to trust Claudia. And when he brought me in, the audience need to trust me. When you cultivate that trust as the head of the fish, the buck has to stop at you. So for me, it's fucked Tyra Banks because of that. She created a toxic ecosystem where she incentivized the very things that you're complaining about in Janis and everybody else.

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Speaker 3: She incentivized it.

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Speaker 8: Mister Jay even said she would talk about Janis and then let me say it for her on camera. And so this thing of you being in charge and creating a very dangerous and hostile ecosystem. But the people who are under you are getting smoke. But we're acting as if we're overstating you. No, you created this ecosystem. If the show does well, you get credit. When the show is harmful, you also get credit. You live and die by the same sword. Also, I I winced when we do this whole by a twenty twenty six Lens conversation.

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Speaker 9: I judged slavery by a twenty twenty six lens, and it was still wrong.

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Speaker 3: Normalized dysfunction is still dysfunction.

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Speaker 8: Just because the dysfunction was normalized in two thousand and three doesn't mean it was.

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Speaker 3: Any less harmful.

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Speaker 8: So I think it's actually okay to judge things by a current lens because we've evolved after we've watched the harm that it caused.

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Speaker 9: That we didn't know what was gonna cause. Just because we didn't know doesn't mean it wasn't cause.

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Speaker 3: And we also have to be.

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Speaker 8: Careful about what about ism. We can't keep on talking about other people when we're talking about Tyra. That's like saying, well, I know I cheated on you, but you cheat on your last X. We're talking about the person who was taking all the credit. If Tyra Banks had shown that she had evolved, if Tyra Banks had shown that she had grown, then I would be saying, hey, that was in two thousand and three and she's evolved. Tyra Banks said at the end of the documentary See You for Season twenty five.

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Speaker 9: She has not changed.

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Speaker 8: She deserves every bit of smoke that she is getting. I know people who've been personally hurt by her, So for me, I don't even have the distance or the luxury of seeing this.

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Speaker 3: People have been personally hurt.

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Speaker 8: A black woman said to Tyra Banks, I cannot get a job to feed my family because of you, and Tyra says, I knew that was gonna happen, and I did nothing.

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Speaker 3: That is nasty work to me and also too.

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Speaker 8: There's another documentary coming out on March eleventh on E that's gonna be from the other people, including Jenis Dickerson and the other models who were not involved. I'm actually waiting to see what the other side without Tyra's involvement looks like. I'm just remiss about us over extending grace to someone who and minds you.

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Speaker 3: You guys, the last episode of Top.

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Speaker 8: Models in twenty eighteen, y'all acting like we were wearing long teas with belts back in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: It was twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 9: That wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that.

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Speaker 8: I think we're over extending grace to Tyra. I think it's fuck her and Jenis Dickerson, and I think that the people underneath her were following her lead the way that we're showing up now. If Carlos was any different, we would show up differently. That's not about our character, that's ours following our leader, right. And so when you create a nasty no no no. But you know what I'm talking about that you might be perfect.

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Speaker 4: I know what you're saying. I ain't even know.

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Speaker 8: The perfect example is a perfect example is Claudia can't say see you next Tuesday. It doesn't mean that you're changing your character. It means you're following guidelines. Your character might have been the same, but you might have a new list of words you can't say, and you would follow it out of respect.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: The head of the fish stinks from the head.

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Speaker 3: That's how I feel about it.

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Speaker 5: I did the things from the head. I also think that Tyer wasn't and I'm not defending Tyra. I had a friend that worked for her and she said she was a nightmare. I will say this as someone that has created shows for networks and people thought I was the person that was running the ship. I did get credit when things well somewhat good, and then when things were bad, I got all the credit.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I got the smoke. But then there was someone that was I I had no power.

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Speaker 5: Really not saying that Tyra no power, but I do feel like there's enough blame to go around to, not just Tyra.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it was a Tyra, I really don't.

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Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of other I feel like some of other people are acting like, oh my god, if Tyra Tyra Tyra, like y'all went out there causing a lot of harm to these girls, and now you kind of a little bit of a vision's history, a little bit of not really owning your part in it. I see a lot of that too in that documentary. I'm part of that series with Tyra's I'm on the Price for episode in the eighteen congratulations and then doctor Phil get his ass together too, because I did that show too.

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Speaker 7: So I also think that I think that both of y'all are right, you know what I'm saying. And I think that the problem is that Tyra has not taken any sort of a careal accountability for the things that happened, right because she didn't act alone.

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Speaker 4: She did a lot of things that were fucked up, you know what I'm saying. It's also very.

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Speaker 7: True that she wasn't the only one in that environment doing that However, the difference is has yet to take any sort of real, tangible attempt at taking accountability for any of the ship, even in the documentary. She said in that in that interview chair, and never she refused to speak about mister j when he was very clear and blatant about his recanting of the timeline.

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Speaker 4: Right, we are recounting of the timeline.

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Speaker 7: We we she she didn't do shit she was supposed to do that would make people give her any grace. So I completely understand how we've all arrived at this point. And I think that ultimately the accountability piece is what where she's lacking. If she would be accountable, it would make it easier to make all of this make sense.

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Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to say. So Toymer, goddamn it, same we were all ruined. I have never yelled at I'm super like this docu.

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Speaker 6: It made her look if you had a doubt, it made it look horrible.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's my two cents.

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Speaker 2: I actually agree with everything you guys said, and that's the beauty of this conversation and the documentary because there isn't any There isn't it's no nuance that there's so many variables to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: One thing she did say that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, understood, right, because I do at least want to say things that she said that I was like, makes sense. Bosses have bosses. You're right about that, right. Tyra Banks created a show. The major networks turned her down.

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Speaker 3: She then pitched it.

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Speaker 2: Her last pitch was to the UPNUPN and at that time Upon was owned by CBS. CBS at that time, the president was Less Moon Bass. So if in case you guys don't know who he is, he is somebody that allegedly, because you know, hey, allegedly, he is the one that told everybody Jenna Jackson after the Super Bowl stint would never work in Dana's business. He's the one who allegedly removed Jennet Jackson from ever appearing on any Viacom led stations, which includes B E, T, B, H.

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Speaker 3: One, MTV.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you haven't seen Jenna Jackson any of those programs because he allegedly said those things.

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Speaker 3: Les Moon Bass was also he's also the husband of Julie Brother. He got fired for allegedly sexual misappropriate conduct. Whatever happened, right, So.

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Speaker 2: This man was Tarvers boss, and allegedly he said to her some crazy things and she said that almost got to a fight.

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Speaker 3: Now with that being said, Tyra Banks is.

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Speaker 2: One of those ambitious people where she unfortunately, in my opinion, she has something to prove and she went too far with hey, I want this to represent the model industry in this day and age got it understood. The reason why she has to take responsibility is because it's one of those things where that may represent the industry today.

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Speaker 3: But how about you flip it on his head and show us how you're gonna change it? Right, and and and it's obviously it's obvious she didn't.

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Speaker 2: It's obvious that this show meant the world to her. It was her first child in terms of something she gave birth to, and she she wanted this more than any the world. And the show was successful. The show was seen in one hundred and eighty countries and had a bunch of different versions of it.

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Speaker 3: The problem with Tarbard Banks is what I would have love for her to say is Guys, I got it wrong. I did it wrong. I should have done better.

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Speaker 2: Tabar Banks and her trench code came across so smug she came across Tabard Banks has no sense of reality pun intended. So the way I look at it, for example, there's tons of when I did Housewives two thousand and eight, we shot Kim Zosiak drinking of a Rist solo cut driving. You will never do that today, right, So there are different things that you got away with then that now we look at like, you can't do that living with the Rist solo cut.

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Speaker 3: Wether not alcohols in it, we don't know. It's it's the visualization for me. But you have to be like that was wrong. She never said anything was wrong.

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Speaker 2: She lost me when she acted like she could not remember what happened to Shandy.

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Speaker 3: Shandy.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, but that's production? Which one is it?

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Speaker 11: Because twenty minutes ago you said you created it, you produced it, You do all these things. But when it came to something that wasn't that wasn't received well or possible, you know what people consider to the essay, you don't remember that. So to me, a lot of what I saw, unfortunately, and I'm somebody who I watched every single episode Top Model, that was my shit back in the day.

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Speaker 3: I loved that show.

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Speaker 2: I was very disappointed in Tyra because it's all about your character, the character of the person.

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Speaker 3: It's your character.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it is twenty twenty six and you have not yet contacted somebody who y'all used to have sleepovers.

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Speaker 3: He did your makeup.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying to be best friends with him, but the fact that you don't want to talk about him publicly. You said I should call him, you don't. I don't know what miss Jay, Miss Jay did to you?

00:23:19
Speaker 3: I did what? Oh well, what did he do to her?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 8: One of the things that he did is during an interview he said that Tyra's bullshitting about the production thing, and actually he was with her when they got the call that Shanny was being essayed, and she chose not to do anything about it.

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Speaker 9: She knew exactly when it was happening.

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Speaker 8: So he's been spilling tea that she knew someone was being violated and intentionally decided not to do anything about it, and that a lot of the things she's blaming on production were things that she actually about in real time and stood by because they knew that was going to be good programming, including when the young lady's mother was shot in the head and they intentionally made her do a photoshoot of her getting shot in the head, just like her mother. That she was in the room, intentionally doing things that she's now blaming on production. And she probably feels the way that he's blowing the first spot left and right about all these things that she's blaming on let's moon vesting production.

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Speaker 3: That was really just her. Yes, and that's the thing. Then let's move this through something. Allegedly. Absolutely, they can mock the EP this shit too. Allegedly.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, you're not alone in this, however you're claiming under But but the thing was this, it's the character in who you are today.

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Speaker 2: Your ego Tara Banks allowed you to walk into a situation where you look crazy, you held not yourself accountable. It also showed the character of the person you are. And I know people who worked on the Tar Banks Show. It's not my story to tell. I'm not gonna go there with that, But what I will say is I looked at that. I looked at the smug look she gave, and and and I wanted to find room boom to give her some grades in terms of yes, you were a black woman that sold the show and the weight was on you and girlfriend, I know what that feels like. The fuck at what point this show was started in two thousand and three? You mean to tell me in twenty three years. You can't look at yourself and say I didn't get that right. You can't look at yourself and say, miss Jay, although you did whatever, you had a stroke, let me at least come busy. You hold your hand and say all that bullshit back, then fuck it? How are you contact these people? There would be no top model at Tarboro I love there woman, no top model without mister J miss j Nija Barker. Just like the month in I Live is popping. I would never say, well, you know how this is?

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Speaker 3: It's all me. No, it's this amazing three people who I consider.

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Speaker 2: My friends that I get to have fun with and if they ever felt like Carlos, X Y and Z, I would be there for them. But I will Me and Claudia had a falling gout once. I never once was ever not going to be there for my girl. Shit does happen. But it's the character and the sad part about this, the whole documentary is this woman let her ego get to her to end this same cycle twenty five Tyre bay, I nor anybody wants to see that ship.

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Speaker 3: Wrap it up. Sis, stop living in the past. You had a that that shows iconic in its own right, and you have to let it go and you have to move on that. It was, it was, it was. It was stupid to say yes to doing this. I'm with Claudia. I don't know who's on your team, but I know allegedly no one tells you what to do. Go ahead, Sis, it's it was. This was the dumbest thing you could have done.

00:27:01
Speaker 2: You would have been better fit just saying release a statement and last but not leads, last but not leads.

00:27:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to get on the producers I work, get on the producers of the of the documentary. Yep, now I got my tire, think out the way.

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Speaker 2: But again, everybody plays a role, the producers of that documentary, the directors. Whatever y'all tried it, y'all wanted this to be a smear campaign. The fact that y'all did not reach out to Eva, Marcel, to Carra Jones. Y'all got da costa three women, one of them who won and did not want to get their POV because publicly, those publicly even into Carra especially, these are my friends. They had a great experience. So as a journalist, hey, hey, Claudia Jordan's As a journalist, you want to get all sides. So what I will give Tara is this, you walked into something that was a smear campaign because they did not even call the people who had nice things to say about you. And that's why Wednesday on my YouTube channel catched me into Kara talking about Tom Modo on my YouTube channel and.

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Speaker 3: God, oh yes, that's called journalism.

00:28:24
Speaker 6: Yes it is. So it's very obvious.

00:28:26
Speaker 5: Like I said, I don't think she has anyone in her life that tells her no, because it seems like she's, like she says, not really in the reality space, like in the real world with the rest of us. But again I do have to keep pointing this out. Tyra Banks has never owned upn And let me tell you something, if those producers did not want that essay scene or that scene to be on there, or those mean comments said, it wouldn't have been said.

00:28:50
Speaker 6: She can be executive producer. I believe it's more of a vanity credit. I really do.

00:28:53
Speaker 5: I think she was given the title, but I think at the end of the day, those producers wanted to be as wicked and as low as possible.

00:28:58
Speaker 6: She went along with it, she didn't stop it. On one hand, I get it's like, well, it's my baby's my show.

00:29:02
Speaker 5: I want to show, but I don't want to be like she Now is a perfect time to distance herself from the parts that she did not like. Now was the perfect time to say I feel awful. I mean, I really want to happen, and I really feel bad. I shouldn't let this. She doesn't awful, but I'm saying this would be the perfect time to do it if she felt that way. And and and that's why you know she'sn't She doesn't get dragged in this documentary, and she's didn't get dragged in the next one. And I don't know what are comeback is going to be, what it's gonna take for her to be like maybe seeing this on TV, she can be like, Okay, I'm looking crazy because I don't see how you can look at that candy situation. I'm very bothered by that, and and some of the other stuff that they put the girls through. Like I get those producers well wicke it back then, they were like, hey man, we gotta you want this show or not.

00:29:48
Speaker 6: I get that they that was probably happening. I get that there's like, ah, the decision like do I go there?

00:29:55
Speaker 5: Do I not?

00:29:55
Speaker 6: Do I portray these young girls I have I had their trust?

00:29:58
Speaker 3: You did you didn't?

00:30:00
Speaker 5: So just say, you know what, there was a great pressure on me from the network. She could easily say that we would believe that, but she didn't. We believe that because she does not own If you think of a black woman is running a network, but these white people they're not.

00:30:13
Speaker 6: They're not. She could easily get our sympathy and say, you know what, they made me do this. I didn't want to. I felt awful instead of being.

00:30:19
Speaker 3: Like who Shandy?

00:30:22
Speaker 6: Who's Shandy?

00:30:23
Speaker 8: Right?

00:30:23
Speaker 6: I think I remember her vaguely great on the show.

00:30:27
Speaker 8: In my opinion, Gabriel Union, by the way, is a perfect example for anybody who wants to know that we're not being unrealistic. Gabriel Union came forward several years ago and said I was a mean girl in Hollywood. People like Ryan Destiny who looked like the baby version of me. I was hating on them and I had to sit with myself like, oh, is you okay? And I've never loved her more So this is not about being punitive. This is about somebody who's being willfully ignorant. If she really sincerely said that was some bullshit. And you know what, I was trying to fight against the oppressor and I accidentally came one, we would all be clamoring to clapp for her.

00:31:03
Speaker 2: I was hoping that Flue, I really, I really watched it, hoping that she could acknowledge that, Hey, y'all, I fucked up.

00:31:15
Speaker 3: I got Matrix. But but again I saw her character and I was like.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: Damn, son, I just it was just it was it was it was I just saw ego. I just saw somebody who who just had a bunch of ego. But look, I think we said all that we need to say. So I want to move on to the real.

00:31:36
Speaker 6: Housewilk that Gabrielle union piece.

00:31:37
Speaker 5: I was at that luncheon when she gave that speech, and every black woman in Hollywood was in, and they always.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Like, why tell me, why why do you think they did that? We all have an.

00:31:47
Speaker 6: Experience with her in Hollywood. It was so many of us.

00:31:50
Speaker 5: I had a mean girl experience of course, of course, of course many years ago, but it was a lot of it, and I'm glad she said it out loud. But the best growth is changed behavior, and I wish that for her. I wish that for Tyra, I wish that for anyone that you can say it.

00:32:06
Speaker 6: It sounds good, but are you? Are you moving on?

00:32:09
Speaker 5: And I want you to because we have too much we're fighting against with them other people for us to be going at it.

00:32:17
Speaker 6: We have too much out there with them other people. Okay, I'm gonna tell my book one day, but there's.

00:32:22
Speaker 3: A lot of that.

00:32:23
Speaker 6: I was at that luncheon. I was at that luncheon.

00:32:25
Speaker 5: I was with like the Who's who, every every black actress, movie star, host, producer was in that audience. And when she said that, everybody was like everyone had like an experience and it was crazy. So Tyra, just like you, like a lot of people have an experience with you because you were so important to the culture, you know, I mean, like you had you touched a lot of people. So with that comes a lot of responsibility, you know, I mean a lot of responsibility and things.

00:32:52
Speaker 6: That just maybe end up being your everyday where you move really could hurt people.

00:32:57
Speaker 5: So I'm playing with like, move on, I really am and and learned from it for real, not just give lip service to it.

00:33:06
Speaker 7: So when you all was at the Black women lunching and Gabrielle you walked in, y'all really did her?

00:33:13
Speaker 4: How Vividcate did her at the beginning? They too can play that game. Gabrielle bone that you are really really.

00:33:26
Speaker 5: I went to the war the bathroom. I was like, sad it out loud, I'm glad you said it. And then she goes, yeah, you know we have this me and you with this weird thing. I don't know what, but when did we'll talk? I'm like, I'd be open to that. We never did, but that was a baby step in the right direction.

00:33:48
Speaker 8: Did I summons the devil? And you know that was supposed to be an example, y'all, I don't trigger.

00:33:55
Speaker 4: VP and marketing.

00:33:59
Speaker 3: Call her Claudia.

00:34:06
Speaker 8: The spirit of Billy Porters. Who Claudia is when she's tipsy? That's yes, Yes, Claudia is Billy Porter.

00:34:21
Speaker 3: Who are you? I don't drink, but I have a I have an alter ego. His name is Cortes.

00:34:28
Speaker 4: You gotta give him you give him.

00:34:32
Speaker 6: He would be Hispanic, isn't Dominican?

00:34:35
Speaker 3: Or you gotta put a ricon alter ego.

00:34:40
Speaker 2: Anyways, anyways, let's get to the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion.

00:34:46
Speaker 3: So rain Drops, Claudia Blue, and Dustin. I wanted to recap the show.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: But first thing first, rain Drops, we do have a special guest here from Potomac.

00:34:58
Speaker 3: This woman and appeared on the Part two reunion last night.

00:35:05
Speaker 2: Drop the bomb, not fad funny, Carlos, drop the bomb, and we are here.

00:35:11
Speaker 3: To figure out what was going on.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: Claudia Blue, Dustin, rain Drops, Ladies, gentlemen, gays and days, please give it up for the beautiful friend of to the show.

00:35:26
Speaker 3: Miss Jazzy Harris, Hello.

00:35:30
Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, the beautiful people.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: Nice to see you guys.

00:35:36
Speaker 10: Hey Claudia Girl, Nice to see you again, just per.

00:35:41
Speaker 5: Usual, Wallas, Hey you, Carlos Blue, Hi everyone, thanks for having me on today.

00:35:49
Speaker 13: I enjoyed the commentary about America's Nextbmodel documentary and all of the things y'all are making me miss my journalism days honey b Yes.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: Well listen, we're you okay, So we have to get into your segment because, like Keanna said, I know you got fifteen minutes left.

00:36:09
Speaker 3: I want to make sure we use it all too.

00:36:13
Speaker 10: How about that.

00:36:16
Speaker 3: Be a Jazzy I like brother and sistern so she gets my humor. So Ray Dawn's called out. That was right. No, I love her. She was on my podcast last year. We had a good old time. It broke the internet.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's get right into it. And I want obviously Claudia Dustin and blew the chimement as well. You made an accusation on the Part two reunion that Keanna allegedly stole her boyfriend Greg from his wife, And just so that I'm able to be the journalist that I am, I want to read Jazzy's response to.

00:36:59
Speaker 3: That accusation.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: That you I'm sorry Keana's respond to the accusation. But before I do that, why do you think KK stole Greg from his wife?

00:37:17
Speaker 13: Well, I assumed that based on what was told to me in regards to me joining the show last year, and I've said that based on the facts.

00:37:26
Speaker 10: That she told me.

00:37:27
Speaker 13: So the timeline that she gave me was not the timeline that was discussed on Instagram recently. So I mean I was just going based off of the information I.

00:37:35
Speaker 6: Was given, so she told you. She told you to she told you that.

00:37:40
Speaker 13: She told me when I joined the show that her and Greg have been together three years, and when I asked how long had he been divorced, she said about three years.

00:37:48
Speaker 10: So it sounded like an overlap to me.

00:37:52
Speaker 13: I even saide I did in the moments, but I was just like, okay, because she was actually asking you, which, Asi, why did you say you know that Darius is a baby, Mama had been in the picture for you know, whatever, ample time before you whatever. Why didn't you just ignore that question like I do? And that's what started the conversation. So you know, that's kind of where it all stemmed from. And I never really brought it up until she consistently had been gunning for me and wanted to talk so much about my life.

00:38:24
Speaker 10: I'm like, well, you know, you have an.

00:38:26
Speaker 13: Interesting life as well, and let's talk about yours and maybe you can clear up what you told me, which she decided to do now. And as far as I'm concerned, that was the first time that I had heard her publicly be clear about any timelines in which her and Greg may have gotten together.

00:38:42
Speaker 10: So, just going off of what was told to me.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: Okay, when you set up with and told to you, just when I'm clear, you're saying the information that KK gave you, which was me and Greg were together for about three years. She then followed up with he was divorced from his wife three years as well. Yes, it was your own timeline based on what she said to you that made you come to that conclusion, or did you hear in the streets that she stole somebody's husband?

00:39:14
Speaker 10: Now this is this was not something that I heard in the streets until after I heard in the streets that that could be true. But when I brought this up, this was based on what she told me.

00:39:24
Speaker 13: And you know when you have a moment with your friend and they mentioned something and you're like, y'all looking at each other, like and then you kind of just skim past that information because it was a little uncomfortable.

00:39:35
Speaker 10: That's how the situation had played out.

00:39:37
Speaker 13: And so when she kept wanting to talk about fifteen minutes this and fifteen minutes, then I'm like, well, you know what, in fact, let's talk about a lot of things that you never talk about. And when you brought it to me and presented it to me, you presented it in a way that you purposely don't talk about this for a reason. So I felt that, you know, somebody keeps gunning for me. I'm gonna pull your tea too, Jessie.

00:40:00
Speaker 4: Why they keep saying you recording everybody phone call?

00:40:03
Speaker 13: Because what happens on these shows is when you have a strong player in the group and people are wanting to protect their status, they need the whole group to go against you in order to ice you out. And that's just the truth, Okay. I don't think that anybody on that couch even thinks that I ever recorded anyone, and I think that they know that. In fact, at the reunion, it was shared from Angel that she knew that she was on speaker.

00:40:29
Speaker 10: I never recorded.

00:40:30
Speaker 13: Angel also never recorded Stacy, and I find it very strange. Although I know she's a bit performative, I do find it strange for her to want to bring up a situation that was an honest mistake, an honest mistake that I actually called out at the time because I thought it was her phone and she had never brought that up before I had come back on the cast, because we had talked several times, and before I even came back.

00:40:53
Speaker 10: On the cast. This girl was fine with me.

00:40:57
Speaker 13: She had never even brought that up, because, mind you, this happened way before I was even back on the show.

00:41:02
Speaker 4: So what happened, y'all.

00:41:04
Speaker 9: Was on the phone, and like when I first got.

00:41:06
Speaker 13: My iPhone, Stacy and I were on the phone, having a very casual conversation, really not even talking about the show at all. All of a sudden, my phone goes this phone call is being recorded. I'm thinking that it's Stacy's phone.

00:41:18
Speaker 10: So I'm like, Stacy, uh, girl, what is that? And she was like, I don't know.

00:41:23
Speaker 13: I was gonna ask you that, and I said, hold up, hold up, hoa up, hoad up, girl, I just got.

00:41:27
Speaker 10: This phone last week.

00:41:28
Speaker 13: Let me figure out what was going on and see if it's my phone. I looked at her, I said, oh my god, Stacey, that.

00:41:32
Speaker 10: Was my phone. So I turned it off.

00:41:33
Speaker 13: Mind you, I had never in my life, or I had in a god, I had never in my life seen or heard anything like that on any of my iPhones. So I was extremely confused at that moment. Stacy and I got off the phone. We never really brought the situation back up until she said at the reunion, oh, Jesse, you record people, and I'm like, Stacy, your bullshit is really a form of art. So for you to sit here at the beginning and be like, oh, Jesse needed a moment. In the last moments of the finale, you were the one who brought up the whole thing about Charisse.

00:42:02
Speaker 10: Stacey, if I.

00:42:03
Speaker 13: Needed a moment, girl, I could have been had a moment with you, because everything that I ask you in regards to my wedding, et cetera, had always been off camera. Why Because I'm a real person and a real friend, and when I come on this platform, I'm like many of the others. I come on as authentic hints. Why I'm supposed to be a friend of the show. But if somebody's not being a friend to me, that doesn't mean I still have to be their friend or be fake with them.

00:42:26
Speaker 10: And I think that that was the issue that Stacey also had, because.

00:42:29
Speaker 13: She wanted me to basically bow down, be a step stool to her and let her play in my face this whole time and not say anything, which another conversation we had off camera when that happened was like, Stacy, you don't get to try to sun me about Charisse.

00:42:43
Speaker 10: When your loyalty has been questioned the entire season.

00:42:46
Speaker 5: I will say that you're right about the phones they do. Can they can record you with like it's super easy? You're like, oh, shoot, but what did you think when Angel kind of co signed that? Because when all you recorded, I heard Angel saying I was surprised she said this. She's like, yeah, that hasn't happened.

00:43:01
Speaker 10: Let me say something.

00:43:03
Speaker 3: Fast, yes or no. Have you ever recorded a conversation between you?

00:43:09
Speaker 13: Absolutely not, absolutely not willing to go on a light detective test to prove that on any day. Set it up and I'll come on your podcast and your platform and do just that happily because and will because.

00:43:22
Speaker 10: First of all, it is twenty twenty six.

00:43:25
Speaker 13: If I was really that shady and messy to want to record a conversation, I wouldn't have to record.

00:43:31
Speaker 10: It on my phone.

00:43:32
Speaker 13: It's not that hard to record someone if that's the weird stuff that you want to do. But quite frankly, Stacey, you ain't never said nothing that I would want to record, and none of the girls have ever said anything that I would want to record.

00:43:43
Speaker 10: I think that that's weird behavior.

00:43:45
Speaker 13: It's childish, is immature and quite frankly, it's against the law in Maryland. So I mean, I think that she just really drugged that out and was performative and even bringing that up Jesse.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: I have though, I'm oh, no, no, no, I'm so I'm sorry. But to ask Claudia's question though, why did Angel co sign it? And she's supposed to be your friend.

00:44:08
Speaker 4: Wendy did too.

00:44:09
Speaker 13: Let me let me say this without and Wendy let me say this without.

00:44:15
Speaker 6: I was like, damn they going to.

00:44:16
Speaker 10: Between the lines. That was not the response at the reunion.

00:44:20
Speaker 13: Let me just say that at the reunion, everybody was all mute, okay, because I'm say I know that everything does not make the cut, okay, and sometimes responses that may have been a different response to something else. I don't know, Doub's not what I saw at the reunion. What I saw at the reunion was Stacey and Wendy trying to say that, oh, you recorded or not recorded, but you put Angel on speakerphone. And I said, first of all, I text Angel in the moment and told her, Angel, you are on speakerphone.

00:44:54
Speaker 10: These girls are here, okay, And Angel.

00:44:57
Speaker 13: Said, yes, that's true. Jazzy did say that that was what I witnessed with my own eyes. So I was very shocked and confused when I found out that that edit came through as if the entire couch and even Kay and Tiya said oh yeah, as if I was recording them, which is so weird to me. But again, in order to ice somebody out, the girls have to gang up and get the stronger player, you know, out so that they can, you.

00:45:23
Speaker 10: Know, do what they have to do for their coins.

00:45:25
Speaker 8: I have a question about it that's been bothering me, and you're the perfect person to answer it. There was a rare, compassionate moment where you pulled her aside to talk about something unsavory, some allegations about some coins, and somehow it was brought on camera, even though you were kind enough to do it off camera. Did you feel ambushed by that, because it's very rare that somebody gives up such a great moment to be humanistic like that and then to have weaponized against you.

00:45:56
Speaker 3: Where are you guys now and how did you feel about that ambush? Because I was.

00:45:59
Speaker 9: Stunned because you were doing her a solid.

00:46:01
Speaker 13: Great, Well, it's funny because I also tried to do her a solid by letting her know that when we were back on the golf carts to kind of pipe it down. And when I said that to her, she kind of continued on. It was very like, it was very evident that we were talking about something juicy. Once we got back on the golf carts. When I told her what was alleged to me in regards to her, we were in a space where our mics were off. I knew for a fact that no one could hear our conversation, so I tried to give her heads up like, hey, once we get off these golf carts, like cut the combo, and that's not what she done, which is why it then became another thing once we got inside and people wanted to know what was y'all talking about, because at that point the go pros were back up.

00:46:44
Speaker 10: So that's why it kind of became public information.

00:46:48
Speaker 4: What happened on the train, That's what I want to know.

00:46:50
Speaker 10: Jeds, Well, let me say this, like.

00:46:56
Speaker 13: What Amue can always take a first class flight, it's a fifty minute over to New York, but at the time we're filming in the winter, a lot of times you want to catch the train to make sure that you're.

00:47:06
Speaker 10: Not delayed, a lot of flights canceled at that time and stuff like that. So I know a lot of people like to do this about.

00:47:11
Speaker 6: They they don't know the things.

00:47:15
Speaker 13: What happened on the train is so Ashley and I boarded the train at the same time because we're closer to the DC area, and then as we stop in Baltimore, we picked K up on the corner and she came onto the train and said hi to Ashley, and she kind of just really didn't speak to me, and I was just like, Oh, Okay, I guess we're not speaking. So I guess she trying to warm up for the reunion, because even after the reunion, I talked to K, which I'm so still like at this point.

00:47:45
Speaker 10: I don't really care.

00:47:46
Speaker 13: But it's so funny to me that people come on these platforms and they want to pretend to be so authentic, but then the things that they do.

00:47:53
Speaker 10: Is the furthest thing from authentic.

00:47:56
Speaker 13: Even when we got on the train, I expected the girl to speak to me because we had had a own conversation before the reunion.

00:48:02
Speaker 10: When she didn't speak to me, I was like, Oh, she in reunion, MO, she must tell me.

00:48:06
Speaker 3: Oh, conversation wasn't recorded.

00:48:09
Speaker 10: I don't record people.

00:48:10
Speaker 6: They're not that k.

00:48:12
Speaker 10: Yeah, let me tell you something. Put me on that line of detect the test, so I can't play this up for real.

00:48:16
Speaker 2: Okay, that phone conversation, what we y'all talking about before the reunion, were y'all was the strategy? Was it?

00:48:23
Speaker 13: No, not at all, just kind of recapping all of the things that were in the headlines at the time and just talking to each other about overseason. You know, Rhop was just in the headlines and we just were having a quick conversation.

00:48:36
Speaker 3: Eddy situation.

00:48:38
Speaker 10: It was a lot going on.

00:48:39
Speaker 13: It was just Rhop in the headlines, how we felt about the season. We had a quick, little cute conversation. So I thought that we were cool. But I also thought that we were cool when I first got back on the platform, and that's when our first little back and forth started as well.

00:48:52
Speaker 3: Urban legends. Urban legend has it in my Urban legend, mother than Lie.

00:48:59
Speaker 2: That the moment that you appeared on the show this season, that KK saw a ghost because allegedly she stole your flute and she felt you were there to steal hers.

00:49:17
Speaker 3: Is that true?

00:49:19
Speaker 13: I don't know what was going on in her brain. From what I observed, I came in skipping, I came in happy. I came in not trying to take anybody's sloop, but just to be myself.

00:49:30
Speaker 10: And bring the energy that I bring to the cast.

00:49:33
Speaker 13: And at that moment, I do feel like there was immediate insecurity and immediate perception of what she thought I was coming for, which really kind of basically explain her behavior from that moment forward.

00:49:49
Speaker 3: Did K steal your flute?

00:49:52
Speaker 10: Nobody can steal what's for you, so nobody steals anything from me.

00:49:56
Speaker 13: You know, I didn't sign a housewife contract, so I wouldn't say she stole my flu.

00:50:02
Speaker 3: Do you think KK deserves to be your housewife?

00:50:06
Speaker 10: Listen?

00:50:06
Speaker 13: I think that these producers are educated, and I think that they know what works for the show. I think that them choosing her to be a housewife for now what her second season was a calculated decision to where they thought.

00:50:23
Speaker 10: That it might be good. So I think that they did what their professional training told them to do.

00:50:33
Speaker 3: Do you think it was the right decision?

00:50:37
Speaker 13: I think that for what they may have been looking for, which I don't know what that might have been, but I think that for what they would have been looking for.

00:50:44
Speaker 10: Yeah, they made the right decision.

00:50:45
Speaker 3: My last Question'm gonna turn on to the panel. My thing is that let's have a conversation. First of all, I love KK.

00:50:52
Speaker 2: I love you what I saw at the regunion last night, and I'm gonna say this publicly read my lips refreshers so they can drag me or applaud me. I don't think I'm gonna say something that is going to piss people off.

00:51:08
Speaker 3: And I don't give a damn.

00:51:09
Speaker 2: Okay, what I watched last night, Part two reunion, the dynamic between you and KK reminded Carlos King of Season five Kenya and Portia. It was something so entertaining about it. It was it was light hearted, shade, it wasn't dark. You know.

00:51:32
Speaker 3: It gave me by Ashy, you know all of that Miss America. To me, it was funny.

00:51:37
Speaker 2: You two are young, gorgeous girls, and I just thought as I'm watching it, not only was I entertain, I saw the other girls on the stage. We entertained too, And I think there's a place for the two of you to coexist.

00:51:53
Speaker 3: I agree, and and I would like to see the two of you there. So that's that's that's my rang.

00:51:58
Speaker 2: Joss number comments refreshing Lizzylula, but I will but I want to ask you this, is it disheartening that you, who are the wife of a current NFL player, You're at the super Bowl, you fly private, you you have a great life. You even have a little bit of a you know, a messy situation that you and I talked about last.

00:52:28
Speaker 13: Year with the baby mom that I've always been very genuine and honest about.

00:52:32
Speaker 10: Talk about it anytime I'm meeting her right now, just so her two days ago.

00:52:36
Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, so thank you for that opportunity to of course, I love you, girls, But my question.

00:52:43
Speaker 2: Is this, and this is and you know, be real, not that you aren't, but be real. Is it disheartening that you come with all of his pedigree and you have the husband he is in the super Bowl? He you have a luxurious life.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: Is it disheartening that you haven't held the flu because you feel like you fitted the bill well?

00:53:08
Speaker 13: To be honest with you, I feel like not holding a flute just means that that's not what they're looking for.

00:53:16
Speaker 10: And that's okay.

00:53:17
Speaker 13: You know, sometimes people assume that because the show is titled the real housewives that they're looking for real housewives, and that's not always the case, you know, sometimes they're looking for single women who are navigating the relationships that they might find, you know, more entertaining.

00:53:34
Speaker 10: And to me, I genuinely am a woman of faith.

00:53:37
Speaker 13: I'm here now out of faith based conference because I believe in grounding myself and that's how I move, and I genuinely, in my heart of hearts, believe that what God really has for me is.

00:53:48
Speaker 10: Never gonna miss me.

00:53:49
Speaker 13: I'm never gonna be disheartened by a situation that I didn't get or a title that I didn't get, because I.

00:53:54
Speaker 10: Don't find validity in the show.

00:53:56
Speaker 13: I find validity in my everyday life and how I live my life on a regular basis, and how I try to be a good person and things like that, So you know, I don't I don't feel disheartened by it. I just feel like, oh, I applied for well, I applied after they you know, reached out to me about uh the drop description and what I assumed that they would be looking for was just not necessarily what they were looking for. I'm a pageant girl, so sometimes you I've been in several pageants where everybody knows I killed it, best body, best talent, best this, that's that. But that doesn't mean that you're gonna take home the crown because sometimes they're just looking for something different that year.

00:54:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Claudia Blue Dustiny the final questions for jazz.

00:54:40
Speaker 5: Do your friends be telling you that though, because like the homegirls will say, yeah, yeah, I don't know what the friend the.

00:54:49
Speaker 13: Friends are saying. They really don't know you. Uh, they don't know who you are in real life. They could never uh. They are saying all of the things that the folks send. The people always say, you know, but for me, like, I've been thankful to live a riskful life in real life. So I just be living my real life and then I come on this show and I continue to live my life and continue to be myself and that's a blessing to so I don't have to cosplay this kind of life. I'm here now on the coast of California, like you know what I'm saying in real life, not just a three months out of the year.

00:55:26
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I.

00:55:30
Speaker 6: Was nice. That was nice.

00:55:31
Speaker 5: I've been a Patriots fan, so I was like a teenager, so I'm from Rhode Island, so welcome to them.

00:55:39
Speaker 3: I'm happy that you you decided to come on. Thank you so much.

00:55:41
Speaker 2: I do want to read Kea's statement because as a journalist, I want to make sure to tell both sides.

00:55:48
Speaker 3: So this is what ke have to say.

00:55:51
Speaker 2: The allegations from tonight's episode cross the line and warrants a response for clarity. I met Greg doing c I double a weekend and twenty twenty two his divorce had already been finalized.

00:56:04
Speaker 3: That timeline is factual and verifiable. There was no overlap.

00:56:09
Speaker 2: We take the protection of our families seriously. False claims that impact our family, especially where children are concerned, are unacceptable and have consequences reality television and vice commentary. It does not justify misinformation or fabricated narratives. Repeating a claim does not make it true. Facts do not change the fit storylines. I will not engage in performative conflict. I will address misinformation directly.

00:56:37
Speaker 3: I am not a bench you can ride. The record is clear.

00:56:41
Speaker 10: Keana slash chat GPT. But Okay, that was beautiful.

00:56:47
Speaker 13: It really was, and I wish that she had that same energy when it came to me and my family and the things that she was saying and how they misconstrued my whole story when I totally clear as day on your podcast. I wish that those same guile would have been followed. But congratulations on the statement.

00:57:04
Speaker 7: I got one last question for you, missus, Harris, What the fuck did Keana say about Wendy in the conversation that you haven't shared with the viewers yet.

00:57:17
Speaker 4: We got a lot of questions surrounding that.

00:57:20
Speaker 7: And if you don't feel like sharing it today, do you plan on telling us at some point in the future, you know, if they want to.

00:57:26
Speaker 13: Give us a whole scene at another time. You know, if she gets her fifteen minutes extended and I do as well, then I'd.

00:57:35
Speaker 10: Be happy to share all of the details.

00:57:37
Speaker 13: But when you have a full on conversation that's over an hour long with someone, the gist of it was she can't be trusted and along with a lot of other things while they were friends.

00:57:46
Speaker 10: So me sitting down in.

00:57:49
Speaker 13: Ten minute fifteen minute interview to tell you all of the details just would not.

00:57:54
Speaker 4: Be sufficient ad vice.

00:57:55
Speaker 13: So it's like, basically, while she was Wendy's friends, she was shit talking her and saying you'll see for yourself. Don't trust her she does TV et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:58:06
Speaker 6: Who's real friends on the show? Who's like the real friends?

00:58:09
Speaker 10: YOA, Nobody wouldn't know because because.

00:58:12
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn, they be hard on it.

00:58:15
Speaker 13: It's you know, I think that I and I am gonna be honest when I say this, because I feel comfortable with you guys, and I feel like you're a genuine group of people.

00:58:25
Speaker 10: Some of these women, this is their careers.

00:58:28
Speaker 13: So when it comes to wanting to protect, maybe how they feed their families, I don't know, just assumption, but when it comes to wanting protect, wanting to protect that they are willing to go to great lens. They are willing to lie, skime and cheat and do whatever else it takes for them to stay on this platform. So I think that people come in with good intentions and then they realize, oh crap, I left my whole security realm of a corporate job, and now this is it.

00:58:58
Speaker 10: What do I have to do to stay here?

00:59:00
Speaker 13: And unfortunately that then tends to make friendships kind of difficult to navigate.

00:59:07
Speaker 9: Jesse, who do you trust the least? I'm curious because you you seem so genuine.

00:59:10
Speaker 8: I can see why someone fraudulent would feel threatened being around you very much.

00:59:14
Speaker 3: So I've been watching you. I'm like, oh, I can fully get while they're scared. Who do you trust the least right now? Currently?

00:59:20
Speaker 13: You know I the least, I would have to say, anybody that sits on that platform and can look in your face and straight lie like several of them have done, in which, honestly, Stacey and k have looked.

00:59:34
Speaker 10: In my eyes and told bold face lies that they know we're not true. And those kind of people scare me. Those kind of people scare me.

00:59:42
Speaker 3: That's fair.

00:59:43
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I see it's getting dark and yell and Jazzy, I love you, honey, thank you so much for hopping in.

00:59:54
Speaker 10: Yeah, having.

00:59:57
Speaker 6: So much.

01:00:00
Speaker 3: Jazzy and KK back. I want round two.

01:00:03
Speaker 10: Yes, let's send those fifteen minutes.

01:00:05
Speaker 13: Okay, though they can give me two.

01:00:10
Speaker 10: Okay, give my love to your to your hobby, Okay, I will, thanks guys.

01:00:15
Speaker 6: Thanks, Yeah, I get the next fifteen going.

01:00:22
Speaker 3: Wow, talk about round two of that, so listen, we had to start off that way.

01:00:29
Speaker 2: I want to get into the reunion. It picked up with Ashley versus Wendy. You know, Ashley made her comment about I got one social Security number and then Wendy gave me nothing, and they talked about, well, what you said, I do too, and she said, well it says six to seven six seven, you.

01:00:51
Speaker 3: Know, which they.

01:00:54
Speaker 2: Made sure to show a headline that Wendy allegedly has sixty seven credit cards.

01:01:01
Speaker 3: Blue.

01:01:01
Speaker 2: What did you think about that whole dynamic between Ashley and Wendy as they were talking about her Wendy's current situation.

01:01:11
Speaker 8: I think Ashley has unintentionally admitted that the same shenanigans that got her airtime are not working anymore. I think she agrees with us because even when she was trying to bait Wendy, she had that zinger and I now see why she was the cliffhanger, because they're very much plummeted right afterwards.

01:01:29
Speaker 9: Like Wendy is really good at starving the girls.

01:01:32
Speaker 3: She'll starve you.

01:01:33
Speaker 8: She'll she'll see you have a moment and she won't help you feed it. And I do feel that, honestly looking at the text messages that Stacy revealed between her and Ashley, that Ashley is hurt because she thinks Wendy thinks she's better than her.

01:01:46
Speaker 3: I don't, actually I don't.

01:01:47
Speaker 8: I don't tend to give Ashley Darby too much grace because of the things that she does, that she's a professional bonk carrier. But I do think that Ashley has always felt judged by Wendy, and now that Wendy is having what she perceived to be an impending demise, she's reveling in it, and Wendy is starving her.

01:02:05
Speaker 3: Wendy is starving her. I would like to start her as well. That second was too long.

01:02:08
Speaker 9: We didn't need that much, goddamn Ashley.

01:02:10
Speaker 3: That's my it was. It was about five minutes and it was four and a half minutes too long for me. That is my favorite. I actually agree with you long. Nobody's that much, Ashley.

01:02:20
Speaker 2: I purposely watched Potomac KIM when I ate I was home son last night.

01:02:25
Speaker 3: I watched around eight fifteen, so I can like fast for a little bit. I did fast forward through Ashley's package. I read the captions.

01:02:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dustin, because we knew she because she don't got none, like Wendy said, we knew she ain't gonna be talking about shit, right.

01:02:40
Speaker 4: I think that Ashley had prepared her. So she did say in the interview, and.

01:02:45
Speaker 7: She was asked about the Sharis shit, she was like, well, I'll be at the reunion and I'll be sitting on ready, you know.

01:02:51
Speaker 4: She said that, and so you could tell she had prepared some stuff.

01:02:54
Speaker 7: But I'm gonna tell you you can always tell when Ashley goes off script, because like the six seven thing was obvious a callback to the recent trend of the six seven shit that's you know, been all over and a callback to also the sixty seven credit cards.

01:03:07
Speaker 4: But when she goes off script, it's gone.

01:03:10
Speaker 7: An example of that is when she started speaking about dating a congressman and Stacey was like, well, you are history, please you know what I'm saying. And she was like, what, I am a very upstanding member. And I say that with a Kapa told you, a Kappa told you. You can tell she was just reaching for anything to be said at the moment because Stacey had.

01:03:28
Speaker 4: Called her off guard.

01:03:30
Speaker 7: So I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I feel like, actually she does. She's been there since day one. She's a willing potster and that's a necessary component to the cast. So while she may not be my favorite person on the show, and I don't trust her at all as a viewer.

01:03:50
Speaker 4: I still think Ashley needs to be there.

01:03:53
Speaker 2: I do.

01:03:53
Speaker 4: I think that her brand of what she does is necessary.

01:03:58
Speaker 7: It's similar to Toya Bush Harris so married to medicine.

01:04:02
Speaker 4: You know that they're going to hit the gas, you know, yes.

01:04:08
Speaker 3: Hold dustin, I love it you and I disagree Toya Bush.

01:04:14
Speaker 2: Listen, twelve seasons in Toya busch hair still gives you something outside of being the first multiplier. I think Ashley started off strong, and I think Ashley the problem Ashley is this and rain Jows tell me y'all disagree YouTube Claudia and Blue.

01:04:33
Speaker 3: I just think.

01:04:35
Speaker 2: I think Ashley without Michael is not an interesting person.

01:04:40
Speaker 3: Agree, I just, I just I think.

01:04:42
Speaker 2: But Toya without Eugene is interesting, right because Toya Toya is somebody that Am and Dusk recapitals on my Patreon check it out. We had a good time doing it, Toya, even when Heavenly Herbert was heavily was attackonizing Toy. Yeah, Toya surprised me and dusted by not giving it anything. I feel like Ashley, like Candice said.

01:05:06
Speaker 3: Will go you know and drop the bone and go back home.

01:05:11
Speaker 2: So I think the thing with some of the girls Potomac, even Giselle saying, oh conference a politician, if I was talking about me. I think the problem with this and it's a problem with reality stars. You gotta be more than just a shade assassin. You need me. You know, Meeni Leaks is the greatest housewife ever because Meani Leaks was a shade assassin. She was funny, she was You saw her go through some of you saw her divorce with Greg Lee's rest in peace.

01:05:44
Speaker 3: You saw her crime when her shred got into it. But you also saw her read a girl.

01:05:48
Speaker 2: You also saw her get read you also, you saw all these complex things, say people to Mesa Judies.

01:05:53
Speaker 3: My point is, I think the reality girls and and and it is one of it is.

01:06:00
Speaker 2: I think a lot of you girls think and I'm telling you you're going to get fired thinking this way. You're going to get fired reality stars who are currently on television if you continue to think this way.

01:06:11
Speaker 3: Be more than just shady, Be more than just stirring the pot.

01:06:16
Speaker 2: That is that is that is thirty five percent of your job as reality star.

01:06:23
Speaker 3: We want to see something real.

01:06:25
Speaker 2: And I think the problem that I will say I'm seeing more and I think this Part two reunion exposed it. Some of you girls think because I mess you, I'll read I actually still have my flu.

01:06:38
Speaker 3: And that's why for me, when you look at Wendy and Stafty and you look at you really do get a chance to see.

01:06:52
Speaker 7: You know, I think there's a lot more similarities between Ashley and Toya than we're making note of.

01:07:00
Speaker 4: Right, mh.

01:07:01
Speaker 7: They both don't do ship but the show. Let's stop there, you know what I'm saying. Both of them don't do nothing but the show. They both have written children's books, right, you see, actually had a children's book on the reinion.

01:07:13
Speaker 4: Toyo wrote a children's book. Right.

01:07:16
Speaker 7: Both of them been on their cast since day one, right, Both of them willing to do and say anything and arguments are in the heat of the moment to keep the engine going.

01:07:27
Speaker 4: Right, both of them talk to that.

01:07:29
Speaker 7: You see how Toya be cussing Eugene ass out left and right to the point where.

01:07:34
Speaker 4: He'll go in a reaction because he's that.

01:07:39
Speaker 7: Right, we see Ashley Ashley cuts that boy out that she was dating and embarrassed him at the where was they at? David Busters team, and she cussed him out there. They both are just willing to do that. They both had on short reunion dress. It's just a lot of similarities there. Both got two boys.

01:08:00
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

01:08:00
Speaker 7: There's a lot of similarities there that I think you don't realize, bro. Just something to think about, that's all right, Just something to think about, That's all I'm saying.

01:08:09
Speaker 4: Again, what you say again?

01:08:20
Speaker 3: I'm crying, Claudia Jordan, what are your thoughts?

01:08:25
Speaker 5: I think that I hear a lot from y'all and other people like Ashley ain't given much this and the other not exciting without the husband.

01:08:34
Speaker 6: Was actually the youngest housewife ever.

01:08:36
Speaker 3: I don't know about ever ever, I don't know, but she was definitely one of the youngest. Correct. She was definitely the youngest that started for me for sure.

01:08:44
Speaker 6: How long was she with that husband, Michael Darby.

01:08:48
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now. Well, listen to Ashley's thirty seven. She was married to Michael Darby. Give me one second, Claudia, like to make sure. They divorced in favorite twenty five. They were married since twenty fourteen, so they were together for eleven years.

01:09:06
Speaker 5: Okay, I just want to give a little perspective on this. Again, I'm a outside home. I haven't watched it, like yo, all these years. I don't have nothing against none of these girls.

01:09:14
Speaker 6: I really don't.

01:09:16
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's a lot of on her to bring this, bring that, bring this. A large part of her life was being a married woman to this man, and there is some adjustment that does have to Like, you're not gonna just all of a sudden just like get divorced a couple of years later.

01:09:28
Speaker 6: Oh, you just have all this stuff.

01:09:29
Speaker 5: I just I'm just offering a little bit of a different take on it as far as, like, you know, getting it together.

01:09:36
Speaker 6: I was married for four months.

01:09:37
Speaker 5: I was messed up for like three years over because I couldn't believe I did that right. And I just I think that, yes, she's not main character energy like some of the other girls. And yeah, of course, right, they're not all gonna be that. I think on a successful show, it would be exhausting to have five Mimi leagues, So five Giselle's or five you know, Wendy's.

01:09:58
Speaker 6: That's why the shows are good.

01:09:59
Speaker 5: Like you have your favorites, you have the people that are just kind of fillers a little bit, but they're necessary. They also move things along or they stir the pot when you be they go in this role players like on a basketball team, you know you have a point guard and they're not all point guards. You know you have people on it that are not the strongest player. It's necessary. I think she does provide something. She kind of stirs up. She's willing to do the things that were like, oh, she's annoying, but it keeps people talking about I think Potomac is it's very entertaining. I probably wouldn't want to be on that show because they work for their goddamn checks, including Ashley, Like, she may not have the man right now, and she is doing some weird shit. I can definitely agree with y'all on that, with the son and all.

01:10:35
Speaker 6: That kind of stuff.

01:10:36
Speaker 5: She's doing some weird stuff, but it's part of a team that ends up being a very successful show that works.

01:10:42
Speaker 6: Like with all those parts that.

01:10:44
Speaker 5: Are in it right now, I don't feel like even with the lack of the dating storyline or whatever, I still feel like she's she is part of the show that it makes it great. She's the best character on the But I'm like Okay, she does some shit that makes be like, what.

01:11:02
Speaker 7: Question, Claudia, Because you you started watching this season, right, this is like your first season watching the show.

01:11:08
Speaker 5: I saw some like a couple of years back when I was in the Slane, I did a whole like I think I was there for like five hours, you know, and it was a couple of times we did that.

01:11:15
Speaker 6: But yeah, as far as like weekly you know, loyally working watching every week, yes.

01:11:21
Speaker 4: Okay, so like knowing you right, and I think this is actually something that you and I have in common. Right.

01:11:26
Speaker 7: We like to get people a fair shot, and we like to root for the underdog when it's deserving, right, when they deserve the support we do that. Do you feel like, based on you you starting to watch the show that this season like full time or whatever, you feel like actually get a lot of like hate and like negative comments and stuff, and you feel like, do you look at her as like the underdog of this season?

01:11:47
Speaker 4: From your view?

01:11:50
Speaker 6: I think there's a few not not as much maybe not.

01:11:54
Speaker 7: Her, you know what I'm saying. When you watch this season, what do you do you feel like, damn she the underdog? Like she ain't as as people say she is? Is that how you feel when you watch this season or how do you feel?

01:12:04
Speaker 6: I can see her being annoying to people. I'm not blunt.

01:12:07
Speaker 5: I could see her being like people being like, all right, actually that's enough. But I also think, like there's every franchise has annoying people on them.

01:12:14
Speaker 6: If we're going to keep it a buck, there's.

01:12:16
Speaker 3: Not I think. I think the difference is this, She's been on the show for.

01:12:20
Speaker 2: Twelve consecutive season and my head listen, I was let me not announce it.

01:12:25
Speaker 3: I'll have to go first.

01:12:26
Speaker 2: I was talking to a former housewife who has a podcast, and she asked me, do I think that some housewives should be on the show for a certain amount of time and then have a break, And I said, I actually think yes, unless unless it's somebody that is interesting enough to really warrant still being there.

01:12:47
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of girls from reality to.

01:12:50
Speaker 2: TV now that deserves a break because they you have to miss it and you have to come back with something.

01:12:58
Speaker 3: I think the problem is actually, I agree with all of you guys, right, She's a necessary evil. I'm gonna calling her EVO. She is necessary for sure.

01:13:08
Speaker 2: But I can find twenty five thousand ashletes of my dms, and they DM me Carl don't know how to read, and I'm like, so it's not easy to find an OG to be replaced with another woman that's thirty seven.

01:13:22
Speaker 3: That can read.

01:13:24
Speaker 2: I think Ashley, who brought so much greatness to the show, should understand what it feels like to be removed from it and listen, no shade to her shit the only one and I'll just leave it at that.

01:13:37
Speaker 3: The reason why I think a lot of us m sorry, I think the reason I mean, he's not wrong, though, but go ahead, go ahead, you know.

01:13:54
Speaker 2: I think the reason why a lot of us love Stacey is she's a breath of fresh air and we get to get something new. I like Keana. I think she's great. I don't see the half of her, but that's just me. I like Jazzy, I mean is great. I think Angel had potential. I think I think Angel. I think Angel should have come with more due process. But my point is, I just think that for OG, you gotta be more than just reading me.

01:14:32
Speaker 6: I honestly don't think that she is a necessary evil. I think she's redundant.

01:14:36
Speaker 3: Afterthought, Okay, you can.

01:14:41
Speaker 9: See your point in a world full of Stacy's.

01:14:44
Speaker 8: Honestly, even angel if Angel and Jazzy and Kiana get into some weird, interesting kerfuffles and Stacy's there to spread.

01:14:53
Speaker 9: Confusion and interesting performative.

01:14:55
Speaker 8: Lies, and Wendy is hopefully out of the clink Clink and Giselle's just being dead mother. I could see he is still enjoying the show without actually because I kept forgetting she was on the show until she had to go to Chuck E Cheese to do her manditary quota. And in the same way we acted like we needed Robin Dixon it was gonna be the end in the world.

01:15:10
Speaker 9: I haven't miss Robinson she left. I haven't miss Robinson she left.

01:15:14
Speaker 8: So I think if Ashley was to leave, because she's left several episodes, in my opinion, I don't think it'd be as big of an.

01:15:19
Speaker 3: Impact as we're stated.

01:15:20
Speaker 8: I think we're being kind, but I do think she needs a break. I think she's tired, but her ego won't let her say it, and that somebody has to let her out to pasture and let make her come back, like Monique did.

01:15:29
Speaker 9: I think two years off, I might actually miss Ashley. Let me miss you agree.

01:15:33
Speaker 4: I want to miss you.

01:15:34
Speaker 3: I want to miss you.

01:15:34
Speaker 2: Speaking of somebody that came back, Monique came back with her binder and she revealed some information about Stacy that clip hung the reunion.

01:15:47
Speaker 3: Dustin, I'll start with you on this one. Where are your thoughts on Moniques come back this season, bringing back the.

01:15:53
Speaker 2: Binder at the reunion, and then having information about Stacey that.

01:16:02
Speaker 3: That she has to allegedly expose.

01:16:05
Speaker 4: Her with us.

01:16:06
Speaker 7: I'm glad that she gave us a chance to say our last words to the binder. I hope that it is put to rest after this. They should probably keep it in the Bravo clubhouse or maybe put it on display a Bravo constance. Monique is back into the zeitgeist now, but we don't need to see that no more. Okay, they didn't live where it's being I also think that it was strategic, you know what I'm saying on Monique's behalf. I think that Moniques returned to this series. She's had a very strategic, methodical approach to her housewife, Rie, you know what I'm saying, And I think that it's worked because people have you know, it appears that people in her group are expressing that they feel her change.

01:16:47
Speaker 4: It's been sincere you know what I'm saying. So that's good.

01:16:51
Speaker 7: It's a new Monique. I'm glad to have her back. That's how I feel. But I don't want to see that motherfucking binder no more. We don't need no more props. None of that Monique was at her as a housewife, when she was in the heat of the moment, reacting to certain stuff or flossing her wealth, you know what I'm saying. So we just need her to show us a little bit of that. But whatever that new part of her personality looks like, then I'd be happy.

01:17:15
Speaker 3: Claudia.

01:17:17
Speaker 6: I don't think it was she was used right or it was. I feel she's so much more than what she was a season.

01:17:24
Speaker 8: I like her.

01:17:25
Speaker 5: I think she's dope. I think she's beautiful. I think she's cool to how she's saw a girl that I would want to hang out with.

01:17:30
Speaker 6: But I felt like wamp and I'm putting it on the producers, not even her. I just felt like she could know. I don't know.

01:17:39
Speaker 3: I just was like, but I wan't blame the produce. I mean, listen, I'll work on the show. But I just want to know why you were blame the producers, that's all Claudia.

01:17:49
Speaker 6: Because we seen her be like big on these shows. We seen her be like, I don't.

01:17:55
Speaker 5: Know, I just feel like they It's like when you have a base football team and you get the best coin or you had a good ass quarterback from the team, then you don't know, like you don't play them right.

01:18:03
Speaker 4: I don't know.

01:18:03
Speaker 6: I just felt like it didn't land.

01:18:05
Speaker 5: Like I want to see more from her because I like her, and I feel like we spent a lot of time on everybody else. But I'm just like, it was definitely bill to be big for her coming back right, and then I think it kind of.

01:18:17
Speaker 6: Fell a little flat.

01:18:18
Speaker 5: But I like personally for her, And please don't take this as into the audience watching as me having any kind of hate for because I don't. I'm saying I really like her, one of my favorite people out there, like I like her a lot. I just felt like it just didn't it didn't land, And I'm just like, I think we spent too many episodes in Colorado, too many episodes talking about Angel where I don't know, I think there's a lot of darkness in her life. With her divorce that she's trying to avoid.

01:18:49
Speaker 9: I don't know.

01:18:49
Speaker 6: I just was like it felt a little awkward.

01:18:52
Speaker 10: You know.

01:18:52
Speaker 6: And I hope for next season she's back that I want to see her dating.

01:18:56
Speaker 5: I want to see her start restarting her life, like getting back into the swing of things with her life, because I think she just has I think she has a lot to give and I want to see more from her.

01:19:05
Speaker 4: I really do.

01:19:07
Speaker 6: Get overkilled with the Binder, like they were like, you know, like that was dope what you did the first time.

01:19:14
Speaker 8: I ironically think that Monique probably bought the binder that she with you. She's like, let me remind them of what made me legendary, So I think it might have been her attempt at being nostalgic. I actually agree with Claudia and Dustin about how I want to see her back.

01:19:29
Speaker 3: I do not think she was utilized.

01:19:30
Speaker 8: I do think that the return on investment of the hoopla around her was low, Like, I don't think we got what we were expecting. I also am tired of the other girls trying to weaponize her ex husband against Stacy, But Moniqu's the one who's paying for it. You try to use this man to make Stacy look bad. Instead's now going to court because he keeps coming up, and so they just need to find a new storyline for her that doesn't include did Stacey seep with your ex husband? Did Stacey do what with your ex husband? Nobody cares about that man except for Cookie.

01:19:58
Speaker 3: Right Like, we need to let it go. She is, I'm so tired of hearing about this man.

01:20:05
Speaker 2: If there was a drinking game and we have the cookie, everybody would be drugs.

01:20:12
Speaker 5: I think they didn't handle that stuff with the Chris Daniel thing, like if you're gonna bring it up, bring it up and make it big, get into it, bring it up.

01:20:18
Speaker 6: It was kind of like, oh, drop a bomb.

01:20:20
Speaker 9: Oh she went out with Chris, and I was like, Okay, they kept trying to make Fetch happy.

01:20:26
Speaker 6: That's what it felt like.

01:20:28
Speaker 10: I would.

01:20:30
Speaker 4: Chris.

01:20:31
Speaker 7: Chris Samuel's mad at Monique right now because of Charissa ass When they was.

01:20:35
Speaker 4: In the scene and she called him, she she had that damn phone out.

01:20:41
Speaker 7: She okay, I'm calling them now. She called hey, Chris and sharifs. He basically said, what you know what I'm saying, and then she said she ran down that matsy ass a scenario and then he gonna say, what.

01:20:53
Speaker 4: The hell you? I ain't got nothing to do with that ship y'all got going on. She's like, okay, bye, hung up. And Monique been catching hell, Natalie Cole said ever since.

01:21:02
Speaker 7: So you know what I'm saying to me, Monique and Monique and Charis already had beef because of that season five ship.

01:21:10
Speaker 4: If Monique come back to the show, let her fight Charisse this time.

01:21:16
Speaker 2: Okay, listen for the comments. My dream pat is this and I'll save it, you know what, I'll save it for part three. But I'll just say Charis is a part of that. I want some real and Chariz and and all of that. Like I want to see that. I don't I don't care.

01:21:35
Speaker 3: To see the the mudane. I don't care. But what I will say is.

01:21:43
Speaker 2: I thought Angel's reunion performance was fine.

01:21:49
Speaker 3: Blue bath of what.

01:21:54
Speaker 2: In my opinion, bath y'alls, I can't say nothing. Angel did a good job based on what was presented to her. We haven't seen part three yet, but Dustin, I really thought she did a good job making sure she inserted herself.

01:22:12
Speaker 3: And into what that.

01:22:19
Speaker 6: Was like?

01:22:19
Speaker 8: Did she inswered herself into Carlos, She got shushed four times, got called what they call her Edward James almost or something, and then.

01:22:30
Speaker 9: Like, what exactly are you appl Are we getting like participation awards?

01:22:35
Speaker 7: Wendy said, I might have, I might have a different name on them packages, but you gonna know exactly who the sender.

01:22:41
Speaker 4: Was with this, James Earl Jones. You know what I'm saying, that.

01:22:47
Speaker 3: We applauding Carlos. I need you to finish the set. I'm confusion, what exactly hear me out? Hear me out what I mean?

01:22:53
Speaker 14: Claudia. I think I did really help you with this, because Claudia knows what is Claudia topt me her lion.

01:23:04
Speaker 2: That reunion, that reunions are intense, and sometimes it's hard for you to get a word in edgewise because.

01:23:13
Speaker 6: Especially as a new girl, you said what especially as a new girl.

01:23:18
Speaker 2: As a new girl, so my, so maybe I should have added context. My apologies, Blue and Dustin. I thought, okay, I thought, as a new girl who wasn't to me both over the whole season, I thought she did a good job of making.

01:23:31
Speaker 3: Sure she was hurt.

01:23:32
Speaker 4: Okay, saying what that's the thing.

01:23:37
Speaker 3: I was funner.

01:23:38
Speaker 8: She made a new word, guy's funner. She said, I wish I was funner this season. That's all she got from everything she watched was that she should have been funner.

01:23:45
Speaker 5: Did y'all clock when Monique was talking about when they were talking about Monique kind of interfering or stepping in and comparing her relationship with her with Chris, with Angels and her and Bobbies, and you know, the whole deal was being made about, you know, comparing your inserting your life you don't know me like that. But then it was revealed that Angel did say to Monique like she took it to the side. I was like, yeah, I want to talk to you about it, like that's again being fake, being fake, like you actually did find some common ground with her, but on camera, you just so appalled that she had the nerve to think that there were some commonality between y'all, But it seemed like she no cameras weren't rolling. She did feel like, you know what, you could be someone like to talk to, And I just felt like it was unnecessarily kind of like coming from Monique in that part because and that's.

01:24:29
Speaker 3: Why Claudia, thank you for bringing up that's why.

01:24:32
Speaker 2: I remember I said to y'all weeks ago, I said, look, in Monique's defense, what I saw.

01:24:38
Speaker 3: I didn't think Monique was projecting the rain jots read me.

01:24:41
Speaker 2: I thought Monique, being a former Wag, saw similarities. And I do believe if you ask a current or former WAG, you will see similarities in the way things work. I saw similarities myself just being a producer and working with Wags or former wags. So and it doesn't mean that Bobby's a bad person. I don't think he's a bad person at all. I just think at the end of the day, they have a dynamic that works for them, like all relationships should.

01:25:11
Speaker 3: But I'm glad you about Claudia.

01:25:13
Speaker 8: I love Angel, Claudia of Monique, Chris Samuels, Bobby and what's that girl?

01:25:19
Speaker 3: Angel?

01:25:19
Speaker 4: There we go.

01:25:20
Speaker 8: The more thing I liked about Angel, I'll give her credit when her Monique were having the back and forth, and Monique was like, Bobby, I know Bobby gott be for me because I said hello to him. He looked right at me and kept them walking. She's like, he wasn't being rude. He was like, she was like, no, he was being rude. I saw a glimmer of Angel having a purpose on the show, right, I saw a glimmer of, oh, okay, if her and Monique maybe could work through the whole whatever that thing.

01:25:44
Speaker 9: Is of them being wags like big Mama Wag and baby.

01:25:47
Speaker 3: Wag, it could be interesting.

01:25:49
Speaker 8: I actually think Monique is more student to be for Angel what Giselle was supposed to be. In her mind, she wanted Gizelle to be her big sister. I think Monique is a better big sister for her. I just think that she's gonna mess it up. I don't think it's gonna last, but I think it'd be a good attempt.

01:26:05
Speaker 4: Thank you.

01:26:07
Speaker 3: Don't find the words no, thank you?

01:26:08
Speaker 5: Okay, but I do get what you're saying calls about like you know, you like you don't have a lot of skinning the game with all the other girls' stories, right, so you're gonna you don't have a whole bunch of you don't have like deep relationships with these people. You don't have a season before this and a season before that. You don't have multiple seasons, so I have, like you know, like I said, skinning the game with these other women. So you kind of jump in when you can. But whenever she did jump in, she did get shure, she got shut down. Even her own homegirl was like.

01:26:35
Speaker 6: I'm talking, I'm speaking, I'm speaking, I got this. I don't need you to defend me. I'll defend myself.

01:26:42
Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, she was getting happening. It keeps that's a new defended k but it keeps happening for and it's not a fluke.

01:26:48
Speaker 4: I ain't on the couch. I don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying.

01:26:52
Speaker 7: All I know is you know what I'm saying. Would nobody be cussing me the fuck out? I can tell you that. And furthermore, I wouldn't be allowing nobody to do that. So to me, that's you know, boohoo, boo hoo. Cribaby, what did Jocelyne sayabyaby? Second Mama Diddy?

01:27:05
Speaker 4: Right?

01:27:06
Speaker 7: Like, it's hard out here for everybody. You know what I'm saying. Everybody was the first time doing something. You know what I'm saying. Everybody on that couch had the first season. I think that something. Things are just not good fits for certain people. I don't want to see nobody lose their job, so I'm not advocating. I'm not one of those viewers that be like I need that goal. You know what I'm saying.

01:27:27
Speaker 4: That ain't me.

01:27:28
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Angels reunion performance. You know, I'll just say that that's it, especially that part you have to.

01:27:40
Speaker 4: Use me example, like you do she like like that And I was like, okay, you Angel, you gotta she at least gotta look. You know what I'm saying.

01:27:53
Speaker 7: I wanted to go in there and grab speaking to TMJ, I wanted to grab her jaw be like no you look at her, stand.

01:28:01
Speaker 4: Up at it like you know, all right.

01:28:05
Speaker 3: Look.

01:28:05
Speaker 2: Thank you to the summer thousand people who joined tonight, Claudia Blue, That's what I love you, guys.

01:28:09
Speaker 3: We are back next week to recap part three of the reunion.

01:28:17
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore