Ep:205 Traumatized by Sasquatch

<v Speaker 1>And I had a sense of dread when we first
<v Speaker 1>pulled in there, and I just tried to ignore it,
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I was sitting
<v Speaker 1>next to the fire and all of a sudden, I
<v Speaker 1>hear a foot stomp, and I was just like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my god. I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's
<v Speaker 1>an elk, But I knew, I knew. I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>look down at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying
<v Speaker 1>to act naturalize, like I know what that is.
<v Speaker 2>I guess the best place to start is back at
<v Speaker 2>the beginning. How did you get interested in all this
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot stuff?
<v Speaker 3>Well, when I was a kid. I didn't realize till
<v Speaker 3>I was an adult.
<v Speaker 1>But when I was a kid, we lived on an
<v Speaker 1>old homestead Yambula, Oregon, and we were way up on
<v Speaker 1>a mountain, and one day I saw what I thought
<v Speaker 1>was a man down at our well was down a slope,
<v Speaker 1>probably one hundred yards from the house, and I was
<v Speaker 1>just learning to walk again. I had hip problems as
<v Speaker 1>a kid, at hip disease, so I was kind of
<v Speaker 1>just learning to be able to walk independently.
<v Speaker 3>At I was around eleven or so, and the grass.
<v Speaker 1>Grew super high there, and so I was kind of
<v Speaker 1>filling the tops of the grass and I looked down
<v Speaker 1>over the hill and I saw the back of a
<v Speaker 1>head and slicked back black hair.
<v Speaker 3>That was the style back then for men. You know,
<v Speaker 3>the real cream a little devil, do you. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It scared me, so I, you know, hobbled back to
<v Speaker 1>the house and I told my mom there was a
<v Speaker 1>man down there at our well. And uh, they went
<v Speaker 1>and looked, and they were they were upset with me.
<v Speaker 1>They thought maybe that I was making up a story
<v Speaker 1>or something because they said there's nobody down there. But
<v Speaker 1>when I think about it as an adult, I was like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>there's only one way in and one way out to that.
<v Speaker 1>To get to that house, we were literally the end
<v Speaker 1>of a mile drive and.
<v Speaker 3>It was one way in, one way out. There was
<v Speaker 3>you would have had to drive in there.
<v Speaker 1>So so I figured that out as an adult, I
<v Speaker 1>was like, Hell, that must have been a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 3>Had to be.
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the different noises and stuff we would hear at night,
<v Speaker 1>like conversation when we'd be out playing. Because you know,
<v Speaker 1>when you're in the country, especially back in the seventies, Uh,
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have internet you didn't have. You had three
<v Speaker 1>channels of television, that's all you had. So we spent
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time out on that property catching snakes
<v Speaker 1>and things like alligator, lizards and skinks. We'd be yelling,
<v Speaker 1>get off our land because you could hear like conversation.
<v Speaker 1>And again we didn't realize, so.
<v Speaker 3>We were adults that.
<v Speaker 1>I had to be sas squashing her because it couldn't
<v Speaker 1>be humans. Why would there be humans, And they would
<v Speaker 1>have had to drive all the way from gas and.
<v Speaker 3>Then through that you can hear people coming a mile
<v Speaker 3>away when we'd have guests and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>So again that's something I figured out once I became
<v Speaker 1>an adult.
<v Speaker 3>And then I met Will Jebning.
<v Speaker 1>We worked at the same company and we were giving
<v Speaker 1>each other rides home as in one day he says,
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to tell you something, but you got
<v Speaker 1>to keep it to yourself.
<v Speaker 3>And told me you did big foot stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And I had about twenty books in my house on
<v Speaker 1>that subject, and I told him, yeah, I've been I've
<v Speaker 1>been fascinated with this for years myself, but I never
<v Speaker 1>I never We never went looking for him or anything
<v Speaker 1>like that. Just every once in a while you'd stumble
<v Speaker 1>on a track that you just'd be like hmm. When
<v Speaker 1>I was in job Corps, we climbed Vulcan Mountain. It
<v Speaker 1>took us seven hours to climb Vulcan Mountain. And we
<v Speaker 1>found one track on the top where it overlooked the
<v Speaker 1>valley and it was.
<v Speaker 3>A muddy just a muddy spot with the rest of
<v Speaker 3>it was all granted and it obviously stood. This was
<v Speaker 3>a right foot, so it obviously stood with the left
<v Speaker 3>foot on on the.
<v Speaker 1>Boulder that was there and is and the right foot
<v Speaker 1>was was in that that uh, that mud. We went
<v Speaker 1>back down the mountain and and uh, they gave us
<v Speaker 1>a bag of lime since we didn't have anything else.
<v Speaker 1>They thought we were just messing with them. So we
<v Speaker 1>went we climbed that mountain again and climbed I mean
<v Speaker 1>we walked up at you know, it's pretty steep. But
<v Speaker 1>it took us many hours. But we filled that track
<v Speaker 1>in with that line, took the picture. And then the
<v Speaker 1>guy that ran uh that job corps was Ed Allen.
<v Speaker 1>He was head of the forestry service in that particular area.
<v Speaker 3>He took our film. Uh, he took our picture and
<v Speaker 3>didn't give it back. And yeah, this thing was a
<v Speaker 3>huge print he said, that's nothing more than a shi
<v Speaker 3>gris up there, and we're you know, I didn't know
<v Speaker 3>what a grizzly bear track look like, but I know
<v Speaker 3>what they look like now thanks to the Internet. But
<v Speaker 3>and a bear track, and that was not a bear track.
<v Speaker 3>That was that was one huge wide foot that but you.
<v Speaker 1>Know that was you could feel while you were up
<v Speaker 1>on that mountain too, just that a little bit of
<v Speaker 1>a sense of look around type of thing.
<v Speaker 3>You felt like something was kind of watching you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the whole time when we're walking up that,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it took six or seven hours. In
<v Speaker 1>one section, we'd see big horn sheep laying down just
<v Speaker 1>staring at us. And then you get to a higher
<v Speaker 1>section and then there's elk just just looking at you.
<v Speaker 3>They don't get a lot of human.
<v Speaker 1>Interaction there, and so yeah, that was fascinating for me
<v Speaker 1>because I'd never seen a big horn sheep before. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that was that was just the beginning of that kind
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And then you know, meeting Will Jevning. We
<v Speaker 1>were fast friends for about about almost two years.
<v Speaker 3>I mean like real close.
<v Speaker 1>But man, we would go out and we would never
<v Speaker 1>see anything, nothing, not anything, And the very the very
<v Speaker 1>second that we decided we didn't want to do it anymore. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I go to what's called the Devil's
<v Speaker 1>Backbone to camp for the weekend, and there's a whole
<v Speaker 1>line of like maybe four or five inch tracks, and
<v Speaker 1>I measured them out for the distance between the is
<v Speaker 1>between the stride was forty inches.
<v Speaker 3>Somewhere in there spent a lot of years. And then
<v Speaker 3>I realized.
<v Speaker 1>After a while that those were all left feet, so
<v Speaker 1>it probably had the It was the way that that
<v Speaker 1>road was with the gravel and the dirt and the
<v Speaker 1>clay and all that stuff, was its left foot was
<v Speaker 1>basically on the clay.
<v Speaker 3>The right foot would have been on the gravel.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so that means it probably was a twenty
<v Speaker 1>inch spread, I guess if I wanted to break it down.
<v Speaker 3>And if you'd add the right foot and all that.
<v Speaker 1>So that was the first We're like wow, man, because
<v Speaker 1>what kind of made me nervous was at that time
<v Speaker 1>we all believed that they were friendly gorillas of some kind,
<v Speaker 1>and I was just worried about, Jesus, where's the mom
<v Speaker 1>if this thing?
<v Speaker 3>Because you didn't see any big tracks.
<v Speaker 1>So it was, yeah, my wife and I were looking
<v Speaker 1>at that, and we had our at that time, our
<v Speaker 1>youngest son was like three, so we're like, let's just
<v Speaker 1>get out of here and get back to the you know,
<v Speaker 1>the camp we were at that. I mean, we never
<v Speaker 1>had any anything happened in the Devil's Backbone ever. It
<v Speaker 1>just that was the one and only time. It was
<v Speaker 1>the time we broke away from the Will Jevining and
<v Speaker 1>his group. She ended up having to take care of
<v Speaker 1>her mom for many, many, many years, so we had
<v Speaker 1>quit camping all together. We hadn't been in the forest
<v Speaker 1>for fifteen or so years, you know. In twenty sixteen
<v Speaker 1>we started because her mom had passed away. In twenty fifteen,
<v Speaker 1>we decided we would start camping again. So we would
<v Speaker 1>we would go up called the eighty one Road, and
<v Speaker 1>you go up past Marrow Lake, which we found out
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a popular place for Sasquatch sightings, and
<v Speaker 1>Cliff Brockman can can back all that up.
<v Speaker 3>But we, uh, we were in the lower camps.
<v Speaker 1>We didn't know that there were higher camps, and you
<v Speaker 1>always had this feeling something was watching you. And then
<v Speaker 1>one night something went through stuff in our camp. Could
<v Speaker 1>have it could have been a human being. Because there
<v Speaker 1>was people out there camping. Uh, but there was beers missing.
<v Speaker 1>And back then we smoked a pack of cigarettes was gone,
<v Speaker 1>and we're just like, what the heck, you know, And
<v Speaker 1>we didn't think for a second it was a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, uh, some people since then puld Maybe I
<v Speaker 1>don't think they sasquatch smoking cigarettes and drinking our beer.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you never know. Yeah, that's the thing.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, you know, I mean he could
<v Speaker 1>have drank the beers, but I don't know about lighting
<v Speaker 1>a cigarette.
<v Speaker 3>But it was at the end of the season.
<v Speaker 1>We had decided to drive further up to eighty one,
<v Speaker 1>and we found all these really nice camps, so we
<v Speaker 1>decided we'd camp, you know, for the following year, and
<v Speaker 1>we went up there. The big Foot was the last
<v Speaker 1>thing on our mind when I when some people are like,
<v Speaker 1>why didn't you take pictures of this or that, we
<v Speaker 1>weren't looking for sasquatch, When with that first real encounter,
<v Speaker 1>that was the furthest thing on our minds.
<v Speaker 3>And we had we had extra days off. The company
<v Speaker 3>was struggling a little bit, so they gave us extra
<v Speaker 3>days off for that holiday weekend that's in September, and
<v Speaker 3>so we we had picked out a campsite, but it
<v Speaker 3>was further up and somebody was already in it. And
<v Speaker 3>this was like Thursday. So as we were.
<v Speaker 1>Coming back down, we found another one that was with
<v Speaker 1>a creek and all that stuff and off the road,
<v Speaker 1>and so we set up all our stuff. And I
<v Speaker 1>had a sense of dread when we first pulled in there,
<v Speaker 1>and I just tried to ignore it. And we got
<v Speaker 1>it all set up. My wife still had to work,
<v Speaker 1>so I decided I'd stay the night and all that
<v Speaker 1>she left, and it didn't take maybe fifteen minutes. I
<v Speaker 1>was sitting next to the fire and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>I hear a foot stomp and I was just like.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 1>I immediately I said to myself, maybe it's a nolk,
<v Speaker 1>but I knew, I knew. I mean, I looked down
<v Speaker 1>at the ground as I'm sitting there, trying to naturalize,
<v Speaker 1>like I know what that is.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any idea how many years had passed
<v Speaker 2>since you were doing bigfoot stuff in that moment?
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? When did we go away from Jamming?
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, like ninety I think we pulled away from
<v Speaker 1>him in ninety three. Or ninety five, so that was
<v Speaker 1>the last time we'd ever done anything bigfoot wise. We
<v Speaker 1>had camped up until I think two thousand was the
<v Speaker 1>last time we camped before she started taking care of
<v Speaker 1>her mom.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was quite a We quit doing bigfoot anything when
<v Speaker 1>we splintered away from the Pacific Sasquatch coasts. Something he
<v Speaker 1>had something from that I don't remember the name. That's
<v Speaker 1>how important it is to me now I don't remember.
<v Speaker 2>But like a good fifteen to twenty years had passed.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, a long time. That stomp I made
<v Speaker 3>me think about.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's scared to crap at me because I
<v Speaker 1>know that elk stomp and I've been like standing next
<v Speaker 1>to buck deer that they're smaller, so I'm just kind
<v Speaker 1>of aggravating them.
<v Speaker 3>They're stomping at me and snorting, and this was real heavy.
<v Speaker 1>So I just thought to myself, because most of my
<v Speaker 1>native family tell you, they know what fire sticks are,
<v Speaker 1>and that's would be a gun. They know what bows
<v Speaker 1>and arrows are and all that stuff. So I pulled
<v Speaker 1>my little revolver out. It was just a thirty two magnum,
<v Speaker 1>pretty rare nowadays. It was an old police bulldog issue
<v Speaker 1>and I set that on the table.
<v Speaker 3>I made sure that it was out where it could
<v Speaker 3>be seen.
<v Speaker 1>I actually held it up and I set it on
<v Speaker 1>the table that was next to me, and then I
<v Speaker 1>pulled my bowie knife and I laid that on the
<v Speaker 1>table too, and I just tried to I looked at
<v Speaker 1>the fire, and I was just kind of trying to
<v Speaker 1>act natural, and then it's a stomp happened again. So
<v Speaker 1>I got up and I grabbed my chair. I did
<v Speaker 1>everything as calm as I could. Plus I threw two
<v Speaker 1>whole bundles of wood on the fire, and it was
<v Speaker 1>going up pretty high. So I walked over to our tent,
<v Speaker 1>which was several yards away. We like to keep our
<v Speaker 1>tents way away from the fire. And I sat there
<v Speaker 1>for about ten or fifteen minutes until I started feeling
<v Speaker 1>like everything would be okay.
<v Speaker 3>So I walked back over.
<v Speaker 1>There and I sat down and I just cracked open
<v Speaker 1>a beer and I heard actual footsteps, like two footsteps,
<v Speaker 1>loud and clear, and I just I got up without
<v Speaker 1>I just got up again, and I threw all the
<v Speaker 1>wood I had on the fire, which I'm so lucky
<v Speaker 1>I didn't start a forest fire. That was easily.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's like six split logs in a pack
<v Speaker 4>that you buy, and I had thrown seven of those
<v Speaker 4>all together on that and the fire was raging.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, some of the trees nearby started kind of
<v Speaker 1>waving back and forth from the energy of the fire.
<v Speaker 2>Were you just trying to light the area up?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>That, and I was hoping to scare them. And so
<v Speaker 1>they're not afraid of fire, I can tell you that now.
<v Speaker 1>But I so I went back to the tent and
<v Speaker 1>I sat there and something caught the corner of my.
<v Speaker 3>Eye scared the crap out of me.
<v Speaker 1>I look over and here's a jet black cottontail walked
<v Speaker 1>out of that berry where the berries are.
<v Speaker 3>And I was just like, it scared the crap out
<v Speaker 3>of me.
<v Speaker 1>And Doug Hijack told me that when he had his
<v Speaker 1>encounter that he also saw a black a wild black cottontail.
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, I was just like, really, what a coincidence?
<v Speaker 3>It just man, I started my mind started clouding up,
<v Speaker 3>you know, being afraid and all that stuff. And I've
<v Speaker 3>only taken like.
<v Speaker 1>A sip out of that beer and I set it
<v Speaker 1>down because I didn't the last thing I wanted to do,
<v Speaker 1>is if somebody did pull into our camp and I
<v Speaker 1>could get a ride home or get out of there.
<v Speaker 3>Is I didn't want to think I was a ring
<v Speaker 3>drunk or something like that.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I just I just set it on the ground,
<v Speaker 1>and just before it got dark, it was just just
<v Speaker 1>getting to the point where you couldn't see very good.
<v Speaker 1>I went ahead and got in the tent and our lantern.
<v Speaker 1>She was going to bring fuel the next day, so
<v Speaker 1>I had like a half of a cylinder and I
<v Speaker 1>turned that on and left it outside the tent, just
<v Speaker 1>in the chair, and I laid in there with I
<v Speaker 1>didn't put no covers on or nothing, and I was
<v Speaker 1>soaked from the rain would come and then leave. The
<v Speaker 1>rain would come and then leave, and I just lay
<v Speaker 1>it in there and kind of covered up a little
<v Speaker 1>bit with a blanket and just waited. I had my
<v Speaker 1>gun in one hand and I had my knife in
<v Speaker 1>the other. And because they started almost as soon as
<v Speaker 1>I went in the tent, they started this humming thing.
<v Speaker 1>And the closest thing I can see that it is
<v Speaker 1>one I got home. After that weekend, I went on
<v Speaker 1>line and I was looking up all the different animals
<v Speaker 1>and It sounded like that sound that elephants make, but
<v Speaker 1>it couldn't have been imps because you can't hear in
<v Speaker 1>for sound. But it sounded like that, that whole type
<v Speaker 1>of thing. But it just was steady. Some people like
<v Speaker 1>Doug Highcheck think that they perr.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I have no idea. All I know
<v Speaker 3>is that it that humming thing. It just didn't stop,
<v Speaker 3>and it was I was.
<v Speaker 1>In that tent, wet from the rain and also soaking
<v Speaker 1>wet from sweat and fear. I just I laid in
<v Speaker 1>there and listened to that and listened to that, and
<v Speaker 1>I was driving me nuts. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I had to pee, so I just I held.
<v Speaker 3>It, and I held it. I held it. It was dark.
<v Speaker 3>I finally about I don't know, one or two in
<v Speaker 3>the morning. It's been ten years now.
<v Speaker 1>I opened the tent and I was just going to
<v Speaker 1>pee out of it, and I look across the camp
<v Speaker 1>and there's an orb of a good size.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know it was an orb.
<v Speaker 1>Then it looked like when a kid takes the wand
<v Speaker 1>for bubbles and puts it in the big one, the
<v Speaker 1>big circle, and then does the thing.
<v Speaker 3>This looked like a soap bubble.
<v Speaker 1>There was about I don't know, sixteen inches long, and
<v Speaker 1>it was like moving like a soap bubble too.
<v Speaker 3>Staying in, I did not dropping or going higher. In
<v Speaker 3>a steady motion.
<v Speaker 1>About three feet off the ground, I could be through it,
<v Speaker 1>but it had this red tin all the way around it,
<v Speaker 1>all the way around it, and I could tell it
<v Speaker 1>was alive. I mean, I was just like you could
<v Speaker 1>feel that it was alive. I closed the tent back up,
<v Speaker 1>still didn't get to and I kind of yelled, I
<v Speaker 1>can't I can't f and handle both of you at
<v Speaker 1>the same time because the subsquatch thing was just killing me.
<v Speaker 3>There was nobody up there that you know.
<v Speaker 1>I would have literally got out and walked if there
<v Speaker 1>was somebody in another camp nearby, but being a Thursday,
<v Speaker 1>there was nobody there except higher than me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so I just and I knew the fight
<v Speaker 3>or flight thing was completely That's why I just walked
<v Speaker 3>normal to get back to get in the tent to
<v Speaker 3>begin with. But yeah, finally, right about man, if I
<v Speaker 3>can remember correctly, somewhere around five something in the morning,
<v Speaker 3>it let out a very long.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do it because the forest is
<v Speaker 1>right behind me here where we and this I hunt
<v Speaker 1>back there and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>So and they are back here. So I'm just not
<v Speaker 3>going to do that call. But it did a call
<v Speaker 3>that it was a very aggressive and ended it whether
<v Speaker 3>you know, this was like sixteen inches sixteen inches sixteen
<v Speaker 3>seconds long, and I was just laying in the tent
<v Speaker 3>went oh my god. But it ended with a huah.
<v Speaker 3>And that's all I'm going to tell you is that.
<v Speaker 3>But I had never heard anything like that in my life.
<v Speaker 1>And I thought to myself, and it sounds like a
<v Speaker 1>big man or something. I was like, maybe it's somebody
<v Speaker 1>over there screwing with me. But I waited till it
<v Speaker 1>was daylight and I got out, and the tension, the
<v Speaker 1>tension when I got out of that that tent with
<v Speaker 1>daylight was just for me. The way I always try
<v Speaker 1>to tell the people is when you're in the same
<v Speaker 1>room with somebody and you're working and you cannot stand them,
<v Speaker 1>both of you cannot stand each other. That's what it
<v Speaker 1>felt like. This tension just so thick and and oh
<v Speaker 1>my god. I looked down there at that beer. First,
<v Speaker 1>I just stood there and peed I was going to
<v Speaker 1>pass out if I didn't pee, and then I looked
<v Speaker 1>down at that beer and I picked it up and
<v Speaker 1>it was full of like it rained all night, and
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of yelled over. I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't care, I'm going to drink this beer. And I
<v Speaker 1>took like four big swigs. It tasted like water and beer,
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, it was, but oh my god, I
<v Speaker 1>drank that thing all the way down. I was just like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>but I was soaking wet, and I could smell myself
<v Speaker 1>from the from all the sweating and stuff. So through
<v Speaker 1>the last two bundles of wood I had over the
<v Speaker 1>coals and it started up real nice, and I took
<v Speaker 1>my clothes off and I burned them. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>know why, I just I got I'm getting rid of them.
<v Speaker 1>And so I went ahead and grabbed some fresh clothes,
<v Speaker 1>and I made some water on the fire in a
<v Speaker 1>tea kettle, and I kind of I washed my whole
<v Speaker 1>body with it, and then I put clean clothes on
<v Speaker 1>because I just I felt just nasty from all that
<v Speaker 1>sweat and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>It's a it's kind of weird.
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you feel like you're pinned down like that and
<v Speaker 1>there's really nothing you can do. And and I had
<v Speaker 1>literally that night I had gave sent I put a
<v Speaker 1>message on my phone for my wife to tell her
<v Speaker 1>that I thought I was going to die that night.
<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted her to know that I loved
<v Speaker 1>her and that I would if anything I could do
<v Speaker 1>to have been a better husband I wish I would
<v Speaker 1>have done, and how much I loved the boys and
<v Speaker 1>our grandsons. So uh, and I said, there's a sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>out there, to not go away.
<v Speaker 3>So but in the morning, when I made it, I
<v Speaker 3>erased the message. I was a little on the embarrassed side.
<v Speaker 3>But you know, they just the tension lasted until about god,
<v Speaker 3>i'd say ten am. Nine. At ten am, the.
<v Speaker 1>Birds had come over, the what we call camp robbers
<v Speaker 1>or scrub jays. They'll eat right out of your hand,
<v Speaker 1>and so they were making all their noise, and I
<v Speaker 1>was throwing them food and everything, and I just kept
<v Speaker 1>talking to the other side of the of the creek,
<v Speaker 1>and you know that, look, I'm a good guy on
<v Speaker 1>feed these these birds.
<v Speaker 3>But they something started imitating the sound of those birds,
<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't very good. The imitation was awful.
<v Speaker 1>From the other side of that creek, and so I
<v Speaker 1>drive I poured myself a couple offee, and I stood
<v Speaker 1>there and I just happened to look to my left
<v Speaker 1>for a second, and there was one standing behind a tree.
<v Speaker 1>It was red, and I could see it's shoulders, but
<v Speaker 1>it was behind the tree, so all I saw was
<v Speaker 1>the shoulders, and I quickly.
<v Speaker 3>Looked forward because I didn't want to look that way again.
<v Speaker 1>I was drinking my coffee using my perithrio vision, and
<v Speaker 1>it didn't move.
<v Speaker 3>It didn't even move, not in any GUIs shape or
<v Speaker 3>for me, it didn't. So I h I ran out
<v Speaker 3>of out of wood. So I decided that I was
<v Speaker 3>going to walk.
<v Speaker 1>Toward toward the toward the road and looked for wood
<v Speaker 1>because it was just creeping me out.
<v Speaker 3>So I did that.
<v Speaker 1>When I came back, it was gone. But Alexander Petakov,
<v Speaker 1>when he was up there, he went over there and
<v Speaker 1>he stood behind the tree and he asked me, can
<v Speaker 1>you anything?
<v Speaker 3>And I was like no.
<v Speaker 1>So then he told me, he says, so this thing
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as toll as you think it was, because it
<v Speaker 1>was what was scaring me was it was like the
<v Speaker 1>shoulders were like eight feet high, and and.
<v Speaker 3>He told me, he says, there's a there's an old
<v Speaker 3>stump back there, just directly behind it. And I was like,
<v Speaker 3>so he took me back there.
<v Speaker 1>I had never ever gone back there throughout the years,
<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, as I saw it was basically standing
<v Speaker 1>on that stump. It's the only way I could have
<v Speaker 1>done that. So it wasn't the giant that I thought
<v Speaker 1>it was, thank God.
<v Speaker 3>But when my wife got there the next day, the
<v Speaker 3>first thing she said when she got.
<v Speaker 1>Out of there the car was I put a beer
<v Speaker 1>can next to a footprint that was right there in
<v Speaker 1>the camp, and she noticed it as soon as she
<v Speaker 1>stepped out of the car.
<v Speaker 3>And then she she also noticed something was wrong with me,
<v Speaker 3>and she asked me what happened? And I just older.
<v Speaker 1>So we walked over to the creek and I can't
<v Speaker 1>believe I had lost I forgot about the creek, and
<v Speaker 1>I asked her.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this creek, this creek was here. We
<v Speaker 3>look at her.
<v Speaker 1>She's like, of course, and then she said, remember you
<v Speaker 1>talked about it's so slow moving that our grandson could
<v Speaker 1>play in it.
<v Speaker 3>When they came up a couple days later, we.
<v Speaker 1>Looked across and I said, well, was that down tree
<v Speaker 1>there yesterday? And she's like no, and this tree, I
<v Speaker 1>could hear them during the night praying it like a
<v Speaker 1>popsicle stick. When you get down eating a popsicle, most
<v Speaker 1>people always bend it, break it, and pray it apart.
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what it found it like. And so this
<v Speaker 3>tree was.
<v Speaker 1>Got at least thirty feet tall, but it was only
<v Speaker 1>like four inches around, and they they broke it right
<v Speaker 1>at ground level and prayed it until it was laying
<v Speaker 1>against the bushes across the trail, and then it was.
<v Speaker 3>Twisted about about fifteen to twenty feet. They twisted it
<v Speaker 3>and brought.
<v Speaker 1>It back in it to like a It would have
<v Speaker 1>been an empty a, but they they grabbed another small
<v Speaker 1>tree uprooted it, I mean small, like a vine maple.
<v Speaker 3>It was maybe fifteen feet tall, but it was thin,
<v Speaker 3>and they.
<v Speaker 1>Laid that across that, and it looked like it looked
<v Speaker 1>like some sort of a. I didn't know anything about
<v Speaker 1>their glyphs or anything. I don't even know if they
<v Speaker 1>do have those things. It's just that was it looked
<v Speaker 1>to me like it was purposely done. And so I
<v Speaker 1>had a buddy that actually went up there a couple
<v Speaker 1>of weeks later, and he's like he couldn't even snap
<v Speaker 1>that tree by using his pulling against his knee, and
<v Speaker 1>he was a big dude. But there was God, there
<v Speaker 1>was footprints. My wife and I walked across that creek.
<v Speaker 1>There was footprints everywhere, different sizes, and the biggest one
<v Speaker 1>was I think probably may have been twenty inches, but.
<v Speaker 3>There was only one and it.
<v Speaker 1>Was half sticking out from being on the moss to
<v Speaker 1>the trail. Good size, but there was mostly there were
<v Speaker 1>between seven inches to fourteen inches multiple.
<v Speaker 3>So I my native family always said.
<v Speaker 1>If they put a tree down, don't cross it, and
<v Speaker 1>so we didn't cross it. But when my son got
<v Speaker 1>there the following day, we did cross. Me and him
<v Speaker 1>went over there, and boy, that whole area was like
<v Speaker 1>pour up. I mean, trees that were small, trees that
<v Speaker 1>were down were picked up and tossed, tossed across the
<v Speaker 1>the trail.
<v Speaker 3>There was indentse in the ground from where these limbs
<v Speaker 3>and trees had laid for who knows how long, and
<v Speaker 3>they were broken trees, all kinds of stuff. There was
<v Speaker 3>a lot of damage back there.
<v Speaker 1>But my son, he was mad at my wife for
<v Speaker 1>we in our family, we don't camp alone and we
<v Speaker 1>don't hunt alone.
<v Speaker 3>My wife when she got home that when she dropped me.
<v Speaker 1>Off, told my told my son that that our son
<v Speaker 1>that she had, that I was spending the night up there,
<v Speaker 1>and she's and my son told her, are you going
<v Speaker 1>to go back and get him? Because he didn't like
<v Speaker 1>the idea that we were up I was up there
<v Speaker 1>by myself, but uh yeah, he was. Once he saw
<v Speaker 1>the tracks and everything, he was really kind of upset
<v Speaker 1>with us. So and we had my little grandson up
<v Speaker 1>there the day.
<v Speaker 3>It was the following day that my wife got there,
<v Speaker 3>but the tension.
<v Speaker 1>Went away, and then they started. When my wife got there,
<v Speaker 1>everything changed. They you could hear them back there talking,
<v Speaker 1>but it was like if you live.
<v Speaker 3>In a neighborhood and your neighbor down the block is
<v Speaker 3>talking with somebody. That's what it sounded like.
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it sounded like I worked with death Peel
<v Speaker 1>at the company I retired from. It sounded like when
<v Speaker 1>when deaf people are taught trying to talk to you.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it sounded like back there.
<v Speaker 1>And my wife and I were sitting as I was
<v Speaker 1>telling her everything that happened the night before. We were
<v Speaker 1>sitting there that st to the fire and it was
<v Speaker 1>it was probably by thirty. We hear in this raven
<v Speaker 1>circles our camp and on the third circle it stopped
<v Speaker 1>and it hovered, and just below us in the.
<v Speaker 3>Bush, the raven goes and this thing goes from the
<v Speaker 3>bush and probably twenty five feet away from us. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh God.
<v Speaker 1>I told my wife, I said, Jesus, there's some pissess
<v Speaker 1>right over there. And I think that was their juvenile
<v Speaker 1>but I we never heard any brush cracking, none of
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Then that crow or that raven flew away after that too.
<v Speaker 3>We're just sitting there. My wife is enjoying this whole thing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not so much.
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't slept in thirty some hours because all the
<v Speaker 1>shit that went on, so, you know, for me, ugh,
<v Speaker 1>I just was a mess.
<v Speaker 3>But so I get up and I walk over take
<v Speaker 3>a pee right by the creek.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm wearing a bright red hoodie and I'm standing
<v Speaker 1>there pee and I look up and this woman's walking
<v Speaker 1>down the path looking at me, and I'm looking at her.
<v Speaker 3>It's she's far enough away, you know. And I told
<v Speaker 3>my wife, great, there's a woman walking down the path.
<v Speaker 3>And she would look down at to make sure that
<v Speaker 3>you know that she was not.
<v Speaker 1>She would look down like you would look down when
<v Speaker 1>you're walking to make sure you don't trip on something,
<v Speaker 1>and then she would look at me, and then pretty
<v Speaker 1>soon she got close enough where I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a heavy set woman in uh that
<v Speaker 1>was layered because of the how the weather was acting,
<v Speaker 1>and I looked like a Caucasian woman to me, a
<v Speaker 1>heavy set Caucasian woman.
<v Speaker 3>I kept telling my wife, she's got a crazy coat on.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's I'm seeing flashes of purple, flashes of pink
<v Speaker 1>and things like that.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't understand.
<v Speaker 1>So my wife gets up and just as she gets
<v Speaker 1>up to go over, this thing takes it like a
<v Speaker 1>military left right into the forest, so smooth.
<v Speaker 3>It was the most smoothest thing I've ever seen. And
<v Speaker 3>me being a soldier, I always thought I was pretty
<v Speaker 3>good when I did my left and.
<v Speaker 1>Left right type of motions when they called the motions.
<v Speaker 1>This thing was the most perfect thing I've ever seen.
<v Speaker 1>My wife says she thinks that it wanted us to
<v Speaker 1>at least go across that creek to get away so
<v Speaker 1>that their kid could could get out of that situation
<v Speaker 1>it was in.
<v Speaker 3>It was right below us. We didn't.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't and I didn't even steal at that point.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't think much of it until I realized that that
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a woman that I can't describe, you know, one
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent the face. Sibylla Irwin was gonna do it
<v Speaker 1>drawing for me when I was talking to her one day.
<v Speaker 1>We've been friends for years, but she I told her,
<v Speaker 1>I said, I can't describe the face because she was
<v Speaker 1>probably twenty yards away maybe, but I could see clearly
<v Speaker 1>that it was a woman. The face was, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>it was Caucasian.
<v Speaker 3>That's what kind of messed with me the most, was
<v Speaker 3>as like Jesus, these things looked just like us, other
<v Speaker 3>than the fact that bigger. It is bigger.
<v Speaker 1>In the area that just across the creek, there was
<v Speaker 1>a down tree top. It was a cedar tree top
<v Speaker 1>that it was down, and it was stuper thick and
<v Speaker 1>dark right on the other side, and there was limbs
<v Speaker 1>and stuff all over it. That was where they were
<v Speaker 1>using as a hiding place to watch people.
<v Speaker 3>Because my wife, actually this male was.
<v Speaker 1>Peka boo in her and all she saw was at
<v Speaker 1>one point was the ear, you know, like when you
<v Speaker 1>get caught looking at a woman or something and they
<v Speaker 1>look at you and you kind of you do the
<v Speaker 1>best to turn your head quickly.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's what this did.
<v Speaker 1>And it seemed to be like fascinated with her that
<v Speaker 1>whole weekend. But later that evening, probably an hour after seeing.
<v Speaker 3>Her, we hear who just like that. I've spent my
<v Speaker 3>life in the forest and I've never heard a whoop,
<v Speaker 3>and that was the first time in my life and
<v Speaker 3>it was crystal.
<v Speaker 1>Clear whoops, not like or any of that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 1>It was a whoop, two of them together, and my
<v Speaker 1>wife like again, she's just enjoying this whole thing. And
<v Speaker 1>pretty soon we start hearing from further back there a
<v Speaker 1>screaming match, yelling and screaming. Somebody. I'm talking this was
<v Speaker 1>a sasquatch doing this. Somebody was getting their ass June
<v Speaker 1>and I'm wondering if it was the male that kept
<v Speaker 1>me up all night, And I don't know for sure
<v Speaker 1>that it was a male, but Mitchell Townsend told me
<v Speaker 1>that he had dealt with that same male for years
<v Speaker 1>and years and years, and he thinks maybe somebody shot
<v Speaker 1>at it or something at some point, And that was
<v Speaker 1>that's what I taught too, but well he sure was
<v Speaker 1>not aggressive once my wife was there kind of crapy,
<v Speaker 1>but you boy, that female they call her the Screamer.
<v Speaker 1>The few people around that know about this family, they
<v Speaker 1>refer to her as the Screamer because she's so loud.
<v Speaker 3>I figured that they were just getting in trouble because.
<v Speaker 1>I thought whatever was messing with us and messing with
<v Speaker 1>me that night was probably like a teenager type of sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>probably trying to show it's it's you know, bravery or
<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever they do. But that I was still on
<v Speaker 1>edge that that that weekend, and then I just told
<v Speaker 1>her she would get up like before the sun came up,
<v Speaker 1>and she would go out and make coffee and she
<v Speaker 1>would stand there and they would be breaking. Like well,
<v Speaker 1>She's like, oh, they're all over over there. They're walking breaking,
<v Speaker 1>breaking sticks and stuff when they walk. And she was
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the car and drink her coffee and listen
<v Speaker 1>to them. I was just like, I don't trust them.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't trust them.
<v Speaker 3>They're not our furry forest friends, but I just don't
<v Speaker 3>trust them.
<v Speaker 1>And sure enough I went I had and left gifts,
<v Speaker 1>not gifts. I hate that gifting thing. But we had
<v Speaker 1>sugarless pastries, so if I left some of those, I
<v Speaker 1>walked across there and I just said out loud, I
<v Speaker 1>apologize for crossing that tree, and I hope you accept this.
<v Speaker 1>And so I laid out a bunch of sugarless, no
<v Speaker 1>frosting of any kind of pop tarts, and I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if they ever took them or anything like that.
<v Speaker 3>But so we went home, and oh man, it took me.
<v Speaker 3>It took me a month before I could go back
<v Speaker 3>out there. I was.
<v Speaker 1>Really affected my sleep. I'm on actual medication to this
<v Speaker 1>day to sleep. And we decided we'd go back, and
<v Speaker 1>my wife baked them a whole bunch of sugarless wild
<v Speaker 1>berry muffins, and we took those up, and we not
<v Speaker 1>only did we cross that tree again, but we walked
<v Speaker 1>up the trail and then we walked further and we
<v Speaker 1>started hearing this tapping, and then we started smelling something
<v Speaker 1>I never smelled. It was awful. It wasn't dead smell.
<v Speaker 1>It smelled like garbage, kitchen garbage. When you open a
<v Speaker 1>a say, like a dumpster or something you're gonna throw
<v Speaker 1>away something, somebody had thrown food in there.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it smelled.
<v Speaker 1>Like, and so we decided just that we'd go ahead
<v Speaker 1>and go back to camp because I was just completely
<v Speaker 1>creeped out. So we went ahead and walked back to camp.
<v Speaker 1>And so we're we have a nice fire, go. We
<v Speaker 1>only went up there to bring that to him, have
<v Speaker 1>some dinner together. My wife and I still do a
<v Speaker 1>lot of We love each other. We've been together forty
<v Speaker 1>four years, so we loved doing stuff together and doing
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. So we, uh, we were eating
<v Speaker 1>some chicken and I was having a beer and she
<v Speaker 1>was relaxing by the fire, and I decided I would
<v Speaker 1>make that call that I'm talking about that they did
<v Speaker 1>a month previous, and I did it like three times,
<v Speaker 1>and then I did it super aggressive, super loud. And
<v Speaker 1>when I when I finished my last time doing it,
<v Speaker 1>just as I finished it, this loud stick breaks and
<v Speaker 1>you could hear leaked, I said. I turned around to
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I said, did you hear? And by
<v Speaker 1>the time I got that out, it was already on
<v Speaker 1>our side of the creek, just in the tree line,
<v Speaker 1>and boy, we both took off. She she had her
<v Speaker 1>he's she had a she had a pouch in her chair,
<v Speaker 1>and we had just bought a.
<v Speaker 3>Chair for me on the way up. So we we run.
<v Speaker 1>She's got that blanket tangled up in her eggs and
<v Speaker 1>her her hand is stuck in her chair trying to
<v Speaker 1>get the car keys. And we get We run to
<v Speaker 1>the cars only like fifteen feet away. She gets in
<v Speaker 1>and I get in and as I'm looking at her
<v Speaker 1>and I was like this this was my very words.
<v Speaker 1>We get in there, I said, well, are you going
<v Speaker 1>to start this son of a bitch or not? And
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I dropped the keys and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god. And so it literally she just dropped
<v Speaker 1>them outside the door. I didn't know that. She she
<v Speaker 1>reachs down, got him shut the door again, and I
<v Speaker 1>look out there and all I see was like a.
<v Speaker 3>It was so graceful, like A.
<v Speaker 1>All I see is in this white part of this
<v Speaker 1>tree that's about eight feet high that it has the
<v Speaker 1>white bark.
<v Speaker 3>It went.
<v Speaker 1>There was white bark and then dark and then light
<v Speaker 1>again because this thing had just passed past me.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh my god. I could just
<v Speaker 3>see just with the silhouette. This thing was huge, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like it was big, really big. And I was like,
<v Speaker 3>oh my god. So she starts the car and we
<v Speaker 3>forget about. She drives about ten feet and she goes,
<v Speaker 3>should we go ahead and take our stuff?
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, well, we could throw it in
<v Speaker 1>the back real quick. So she backs back up and
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking the whole time. Now I don't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>But we get out and I'm scared to death, man,
<v Speaker 1>and she opens the trunk and I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>thought we were throwing this shit in the back seat,
<v Speaker 1>not going all the way back to the trunk. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god, she's got I had
<v Speaker 1>the uh this thing. It was like a go pro
<v Speaker 1>that my kids had bought me for Christmas. I had
<v Speaker 1>it in my hand and I told her before we
<v Speaker 1>got out, I said, don't turn it off the car.
<v Speaker 1>We get out and she gets her chair of minds further.
<v Speaker 1>I'm holding I've got that thing in my hand and
<v Speaker 1>I'm holding onto the car and I reach and I stretch,
<v Speaker 1>and I stretch and I stretch, and I get one
<v Speaker 1>finger on that chair and it had a bottle of
<v Speaker 1>water on it.
<v Speaker 3>And I start pulling that to me and.
<v Speaker 1>She's so I'm like, I don't know how to hold this.
<v Speaker 3>She grabs it.
<v Speaker 1>Women can do anything, you know. It's just bizarre to me.
<v Speaker 1>How they can figure something out we just can't do.
<v Speaker 1>She folded that up real quick, and then she starts
<v Speaker 1>stumping the water on the fire, and I said, what
<v Speaker 1>the help are you doing. Let's get out of here.
<v Speaker 1>And so we we get back in the car, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you we got to the end. It's about
<v Speaker 1>it's about a sixty or seventy yard it could be
<v Speaker 1>a little less, could be a little more to drive
<v Speaker 1>out to the main forest road. We stopped as soon
<v Speaker 1>as we've got past those boulders, and her purse was
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in her legs, and we were both having a
<v Speaker 1>panic attack and coughing and all that stuff, and laughing hysterically.
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't because we thought anything was funny. That's
<v Speaker 1>the first time I'd ever had I don't know whether
<v Speaker 1>what you would call it hysteria.
<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, hysteric.
<v Speaker 3>I just I couldn't stop laughing. I couldn't stop coughing.
<v Speaker 1>I was shaking, and my poor wife, you know, she'd
<v Speaker 1>finally had gotten her legs untangled and all that stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and we calmed down a little bit and then we
<v Speaker 1>just pulled out and I looked back and I just
<v Speaker 1>watching that fire and hoping that it would step out
<v Speaker 1>so I could actually see it, and it didn't, and
<v Speaker 1>we lived.
<v Speaker 3>We didn't even talk on the way home. We didn't
<v Speaker 3>say two words to each other.
<v Speaker 1>And we got home and I told my neighbor, who
<v Speaker 1>is an avid hunter, and I said, we just got
<v Speaker 1>chased by a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 3>Man and oh, yeah, good for you type of thing.
<v Speaker 3>It was just like, who do you tell? I mean?
<v Speaker 3>I was I was in a I was a mess.
<v Speaker 3>I thought this thing was going to murder my wife.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh yeah, but she told me, she goes, no, No,
<v Speaker 1>you were my hero. You did not You did not
<v Speaker 1>get in the car until I was safely in the car.
<v Speaker 1>Because it's just a blur to me, that particular part
<v Speaker 1>of it.
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a.
<v Speaker 1>Blur, and it's kind of like the the night that
<v Speaker 1>I had, you know, was by myself. I know that
<v Speaker 1>I'm missing a little bit of time, but I wasn't
<v Speaker 1>hurt or anything, and I just I just felt that
<v Speaker 1>that something happened in time. And since I don't feel
<v Speaker 1>like I was violated or any of that kind of stuff. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>there's been more than one person who's told me you
<v Speaker 1>got to go get hypnotized.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be hypnotized. I don't want want
<v Speaker 3>to know. I you know, I just don't want to know.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if people always want me to
<v Speaker 1>give him an excuse why, I just don't want to know.
<v Speaker 3>If I didn't feel violated. So I don't know what.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to know. Maybe I fell asleep actually
<v Speaker 3>and didn't know it. I don't know, but it was
<v Speaker 3>pretty traumatic. And then, you know, when we got home,
<v Speaker 3>we both sat outside and we finally started to talk
<v Speaker 3>about it. You know, we must have smoked a package
<v Speaker 3>cigarettes eight hour and a half.
<v Speaker 1>Jesus, I haven't touched tobacco in eight and a half years,
<v Speaker 1>but back then, jeez, it was. I had to go
<v Speaker 1>back to work on Tuesday, and we decided we we
<v Speaker 1>would try to find help somehow. So I sent doctor
<v Speaker 1>Meltram a message, never heard anything back from him. Sat
<v Speaker 1>Cliff Brockman like four messages, never heard back from him. Well,
<v Speaker 1>like this was going to be if we could get
<v Speaker 1>somebody up there that was some kind of a professional,
<v Speaker 1>because we were not looking for Sasquatch. We went up
<v Speaker 1>on that original trip to pan for gold and just hike.
<v Speaker 3>Around and have fun.
<v Speaker 1>It's been so many years, you know, but I never
<v Speaker 1>heard from any of those people, and so I just
<v Speaker 1>I was so messed up I couldn't sleep. I reached
<v Speaker 1>out to West Germer, and he's about as kind of
<v Speaker 1>a person as you'll ever meet. He's very kind, and
<v Speaker 1>I to take this opportunity right now to apologize to
<v Speaker 1>him on air. I got caught up in a wrong circle.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't care if his what anyway he thinks,
<v Speaker 1>whether his encounters were real or not. You know, he
<v Speaker 1>was a very very good to me, very soothing to me.
<v Speaker 1>It was the first person to help me. So I
<v Speaker 1>just apologized Wes for getting on that side and saying
<v Speaker 1>shit about you that I don't even know, had no
<v Speaker 1>business even seeing. And so I just let that go
<v Speaker 1>to West. I went to work, and then I started
<v Speaker 1>having a PTSD.
<v Speaker 3>Here.
<v Speaker 1>I would be at work and I was a very
<v Speaker 1>low level manager. I basically took care of a small cell,
<v Speaker 1>but I was a robot welder, and boy, I would
<v Speaker 1>find myself bursting into tears for no just just out
<v Speaker 1>of the blue, and so I would just tell people
<v Speaker 1>that I was arc flashed or something like that, because
<v Speaker 1>it was I was really struggling, and I I would
<v Speaker 1>it would happen at home too, and my wife would
<v Speaker 1>do the best you could to to try to make
<v Speaker 1>things better. There was nobody I could you could go to.
<v Speaker 1>And and so I met Sabyla Irwin and was she
<v Speaker 1>She was the first person that literally just by talking
<v Speaker 1>to me, we had done the uh FaceTime a couple
<v Speaker 1>of times and and uh she was a very very
<v Speaker 1>good person. She told me about other people that she
<v Speaker 1>counseled and helped after a encounter, and uh, so that
<v Speaker 1>that got me on a good way. It's trying to
<v Speaker 1>be a husband, a boss, trying to do your job,
<v Speaker 1>trying to be a grandpa and not not burst into tears.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>But it just what happened. It would happened when I
<v Speaker 1>would do shows too. It would be sometimes it wouldn't,
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it would. And I had done so many in
<v Speaker 1>a row I started telling people, no, I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to do it. I wouldn't have done your show a
<v Speaker 1>year ago. But after meeting the Browns, they recommended I do.
<v Speaker 1>So I trust them so and I trust you. You
<v Speaker 1>and I have already talked. So the thing.
<v Speaker 3>Was, it seemed like a lot of these shows.
<v Speaker 1>Just wanted to get the triggered part of me out
<v Speaker 1>and so I don't cry about this shit anymore. It happened,
<v Speaker 1>everybody's okay.
<v Speaker 3>So but back then the PTSD was was just killing me.
<v Speaker 3>And so my doctor I just decided one day because
<v Speaker 3>I needed the sleep meds.
<v Speaker 1>She wanted to know why I wasn't sleeping, and so
<v Speaker 1>I told her and everything, and by the time I
<v Speaker 1>got done, she just looks at me and she goes, wow,
<v Speaker 1>that that is a very traumatic and the hair on
<v Speaker 1>her arms was sticking straight up. She believed it one
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. I was just, who do you go to?
<v Speaker 1>There's so ready to go to. There might be now,
<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't back then.
<v Speaker 3>And so she went.
<v Speaker 1>Ahead and put me on this sleep medication that I
<v Speaker 1>am on today on this very day. It's a narcotic.
<v Speaker 1>I just can't sleep, and it's even worse when I
<v Speaker 1>go to the forest. But I will never stop going
<v Speaker 1>to the forest. We've been having encounters now on a
<v Speaker 1>regular basis in Scamania County, and but three years ago,
<v Speaker 1>about two years ago, we were up where we had
<v Speaker 1>our encounter, but just the camp before that, and we
<v Speaker 1>were talking to a young couple there. He was a
<v Speaker 1>guy was playing his guitar and we were talking about sasquatching,
<v Speaker 1>the different noises they make.
<v Speaker 3>And I'll be damned if just barely got done. This
<v Speaker 3>guy's playing to get tar.
<v Speaker 1>That they they went off, probably fifty feet on the
<v Speaker 1>other side of the road in the bush. They went off,
<v Speaker 1>they went, they did this vocal and they did. They
<v Speaker 1>kept it up for god, almost a minute, and these
<v Speaker 1>this young couples looking at us and they're like, I've
<v Speaker 1>never never heard this before, and it's just I was
<v Speaker 1>just like wow. And it just stopped and that was it.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't hear him again. Then I had some people come
<v Speaker 1>up a couple of years back or UH. I invited Thomas.
<v Speaker 3>Steinberg and and uh Brent Dill and a couple of
<v Speaker 3>people from throughout the United States and Canada, and I
<v Speaker 3>my buddy that showed up from UH.
<v Speaker 1>He drove my one friend drove all away from Minnesota, Wow, Dakota,
<v Speaker 1>he drove all away from and he got there about
<v Speaker 1>two thirds in the morning. And I just happened to
<v Speaker 1>be up, of course, and he just yells out of
<v Speaker 1>his window. Because we have a thing we call Operation
<v Speaker 1>Red Tent, an Operation green tent, and that is we'll
<v Speaker 1>go to a camp that we want days early and
<v Speaker 1>set up beast tents, red tent and a green tent,
<v Speaker 1>so whenever we're talking to somebody, we get we coded.
<v Speaker 1>As you know, operation red Tent is a go type
<v Speaker 1>of thing. So but anyway, by daylight, I took him
<v Speaker 1>to the other camp and showed him these other all
<v Speaker 1>these other camps, and I'll be damned if we didn't
<v Speaker 1>find one of the best footprints I've ever ever seen
<v Speaker 1>in my life. And we covered that up immediately because
<v Speaker 1>Thomas and Brent and all the other people hadn't got
<v Speaker 1>there yet.
<v Speaker 3>So as soon as Thomas got.
<v Speaker 1>There, we went ahead and walked him to it, uncovered it,
<v Speaker 1>and he got down on his stomach with this. He's
<v Speaker 1>got a backpack full of stuff to to look at
<v Speaker 1>tracks and airs and all that stuff. He spent a
<v Speaker 1>good half hour or so down going from top to
<v Speaker 1>bottom on that print, and he said, this is a
<v Speaker 1>real print. And here's a good thing about this was
<v Speaker 1>two days before there was people camping over there.
<v Speaker 3>They left because it poured down rain.
<v Speaker 1>It poured, and when you're up on that mountain when
<v Speaker 1>it rains, it pours and so it poured rain and
<v Speaker 1>then we had sunshine.
<v Speaker 3>Then it poured rain, and then we had sunshine. And
<v Speaker 3>so that track was fresh because.
<v Speaker 1>It would have been washed away if by the rain,
<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't fresh. And so it literally, it literally
<v Speaker 1>had came up from the creek which is the old
<v Speaker 1>Klamor River. It's basically at the start of the Clamor River.
<v Speaker 1>So that yeah, and Thomas, he was just like, this
<v Speaker 1>is one of the best prints I've ever seen.
<v Speaker 3>I believe I sent that to you. Yeah. I took
<v Speaker 3>my grandson back behind here hunting last year and we
<v Speaker 3>got back. There was about five in the morning, still dark,
<v Speaker 3>and the sasquat slaps a tree and screams, but.
<v Speaker 1>It had nothing to do with us. I could feel
<v Speaker 1>that they had nothing to do with us. It was
<v Speaker 1>far enough away too, And then then another one screamed
<v Speaker 1>back to it and it wasn't aggressive it anyway. But
<v Speaker 1>my poor grandson I had. This didn't bother me at all.
<v Speaker 1>But oh my god, that was all she wrote for him.
<v Speaker 1>He was like, I need to sit down, Papa, And
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay.
<v Speaker 3>He was eleven, I believe eleven or twelve, and.
<v Speaker 1>I let him sit down for a bit, and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize it was because of that Sasquat doing that.
<v Speaker 1>So he got up and I said, well, let's walk
<v Speaker 1>out here on this Civil Forest Service road and we'll
<v Speaker 1>go down to the left. And I kept looking back
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, why are you so we're behind Papa,
<v Speaker 1>And finally I was like, do you want to go
<v Speaker 1>back home to, you know, me and MoMA's house.
<v Speaker 3>He's like yeah. So then when we get out, he
<v Speaker 3>stayed in front of me too.
<v Speaker 1>We get back and he tells me, I'm sorry, Papa,
<v Speaker 1>but my legs were shaken so bad I couldn't stand
<v Speaker 1>up anymore.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, it's all right, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, and I was so scared when
<v Speaker 1>we were walking back there, and I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>was like, it was Sasquats.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 1>That's all he talked about is how scared he was
<v Speaker 1>and how he couldn't make his legs work. And I've
<v Speaker 1>had that fear only once in my life, so that's
<v Speaker 1>just I felt like, oh my god.
<v Speaker 3>I felt awful for him.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, later in the late season, his dad
<v Speaker 1>brought him our youngest son brought him back there and
<v Speaker 1>they weren't there ten minutes and came back.
<v Speaker 3>And my son's like, yeah, he's ruined.
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of goo back. So you know, it's just
<v Speaker 1>both of my boys. Our boys have experienced Sasquatch stuff
<v Speaker 1>and all that. But this particular camp that we call
<v Speaker 1>the Father's Day Camp, we go there every year. It
<v Speaker 1>started out as the boys took me there for Father's Day. Well,
<v Speaker 1>that was the first camp ship I'd had in fifteen years,
<v Speaker 1>was that took me up there for Father's Day.
<v Speaker 3>And the next one was with my wife.
<v Speaker 1>But those Sasquats there, they don't They're almost like have
<v Speaker 1>a sense of humor or something. You can camp on
<v Speaker 1>either side of that road. Yeah, one that you got
<v Speaker 1>to four will drive in, which is my favorite one.
<v Speaker 1>But you could go either side of the road, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you they've thrown pebbles and made sure that
<v Speaker 1>we knew they were there, thrown pebbles.
<v Speaker 3>I would already be in bed.
<v Speaker 1>My wife, she said as soon as that first rock
<v Speaker 1>came down, just pebbles.
<v Speaker 3>She was like, I just I got up. She doesn't
<v Speaker 3>play around after we got chased. She doesn't play around
<v Speaker 3>at all. None, of the sounds, none of that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>She'll she'll just get in the car and go home
<v Speaker 1>with people start doing calls and stuff like that. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>she came and got in bed, and the next day
<v Speaker 1>they're telling us both of both of our boys were
<v Speaker 1>like trying to get it to come out and have
<v Speaker 1>a drink with them, and you know, come out and
<v Speaker 1>will feed you and all that stuff, because they said
<v Speaker 1>it absolutely other than they couldn't see it. It definitely
<v Speaker 1>was making plenty of noise and had a great time
<v Speaker 1>throwing the pebbles and bouncing them off the rocks and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>So it was that was probably four years ago.
<v Speaker 1>And then you could hear them up on the road
<v Speaker 1>in the In the Father's Day camp last year, last
<v Speaker 1>camping season in May, we were there and my wife
<v Speaker 1>told me that during the night, something walked and ran
<v Speaker 1>its finger across her side of the tent during the
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, and she said, and I could
<v Speaker 1>hear it was two feet And the next night, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm laying there because of my piss pore sleeping, I'm
<v Speaker 1>laying there and it's about two o'cle's right around around
<v Speaker 1>one or two. My son and our oldest grandson. We're
<v Speaker 1>having a good time at the fire. We were playing guitars,
<v Speaker 1>and by the time they got done and went to bed,
<v Speaker 1>it was maybe ten minutes after they had gone to bed,
<v Speaker 1>I hear this, and I was like, oh, man, because
<v Speaker 1>it was right up on the road above our camp,
<v Speaker 1>and that's real close to the Pacific Press Trail too.
<v Speaker 1>So I put my phone inside my sleeping bag and
<v Speaker 1>I turn it on so I can see the time.
<v Speaker 3>And then I reached underneath my cot and grab.
<v Speaker 1>My my forty five long judge and I put it inside.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just because I've got the creeps, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I've got that where the hair stands up on the
<v Speaker 1>back of your neck type of thing going on.
<v Speaker 3>A couple of minutes later, I hear again, and so
<v Speaker 3>I'm just laying there. I'm just waiting.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I will shoot the son of a bits
<v Speaker 1>and he comes, I will. I don't want to do
<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but if I'm going to protect my family,
<v Speaker 1>I will. And all of a sudden, I hear from
<v Speaker 1>way back behind the river like that you could grow
<v Speaker 1>to hear it, And I thought, okay, we're okay, okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to learn what's their aggressive type of stuff
<v Speaker 1>and what's not.
<v Speaker 3>So that's and that was just last May, five years ago.
<v Speaker 3>In there. I got up one morning to go.
<v Speaker 1>Down to the river and get some water or coffee,
<v Speaker 1>and right in the middle of the path is about
<v Speaker 1>a three foot high two to three foot high.
<v Speaker 3>Pile of the leaves that had been raked up.
<v Speaker 1>And you could see the fingers where the you know,
<v Speaker 1>the fingers that raked all that up into a pile,
<v Speaker 1>and just like you would with a brake.
<v Speaker 3>So it I was like, what the hell, I kicked
<v Speaker 3>it all out of the way.
<v Speaker 1>And then when everybody got up out of bed, as
<v Speaker 1>I did any of you, I think it was funny
<v Speaker 1>to raak up some leaves dead and everybody's looking at
<v Speaker 1>each other like what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 3>And and I already knew, but I had to ask. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So that was It seems like every time we've ever
<v Speaker 1>gone to that camp, we get some kind of a
<v Speaker 1>of a.
<v Speaker 3>You know, interaction of some kind. So uh, that's Uh.
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to Alexander about you know, what I mean
<v Speaker 1>to really do to really do good. Uh, if you're
<v Speaker 1>gonna want to research or I use that term loosely
<v Speaker 1>what some people call research. But you have to have
<v Speaker 1>a minimum of five million dollars because you're gonna have
<v Speaker 1>to hire people and make that their job.
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about people like professional trackers.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I would I would hire a man tracker,
<v Speaker 1>and I would hire an animal tracker. I would hire
<v Speaker 1>a biologists, I would hire people survivalists. They would go
<v Speaker 1>out literally and I could pay for them to live
<v Speaker 1>out there. That's the only way you're going to be
<v Speaker 1>able to do this.
<v Speaker 3>Is to literally put people out and make it their
<v Speaker 3>job for at least from from the first snow milt
<v Speaker 3>to the first snowfall.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's where they're going to live. And so that's
<v Speaker 1>to me, that's the only way you're going to do this.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't care about all these people saying science,
<v Speaker 1>they'll never accept it if we don't bring a body.
<v Speaker 1>I don't give a shit about science. I saw what
<v Speaker 1>I saw, I know what I know. Then they do too.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I talked to a Federal game board.
<v Speaker 1>Who had come in our camp just to make sure
<v Speaker 1>there was no fires a couple of years ago, and
<v Speaker 1>he told me, I said, so, you know, they're Sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>in here, and he's like, of course they are. He
<v Speaker 1>wasn't kidding. He goes, we know they're there, and then.
<v Speaker 3>He told me.
<v Speaker 1>He says, I'm actually the youngest one in my family
<v Speaker 1>that's a sasquatch investigator.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, well that's cool.
<v Speaker 1>From his mouth to our ears, yes they do exist,
<v Speaker 1>and yes they are here.
<v Speaker 3>I'm Mount Saint Helen's now.
<v Speaker 1>That's but I said, so what happens if I say,
<v Speaker 1>you know, John Brown, the forest ranger said, He goes,
<v Speaker 1>number one, I'll deny it.
<v Speaker 3>And number two he says, we're waiting.
<v Speaker 1>For you, you people, to bring one in to then we'll
<v Speaker 1>say yes. And I was like, they don't. I don't
<v Speaker 1>want anything to do with it.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't understand why that that's what he told me.
<v Speaker 3>They're waiting on you. The weekend warrior, Like I said,
<v Speaker 3>came right from his mouth to my ears.
<v Speaker 1>And I've had coffee with that guy on multiple occasions.
<v Speaker 3>He'll stop and when he sees it's us, have some coffee. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>He's a good guy.
<v Speaker 2>In the area that I used to investigate all the
<v Speaker 2>time and spent the majority of my time in. There
<v Speaker 2>was a park ranger there that was fully aware and
<v Speaker 2>willing to talk to us about everything and what even
<v Speaker 2>let us into areas that were closed down to the
<v Speaker 2>public so we could go snoop around look for tracks
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But you know, nothing was ever on the
<v Speaker 2>record or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing. He's like, off the record, off
<v Speaker 1>the record. I used to be next door neighbors with
<v Speaker 1>a retired federal game warden, Jerry. He's a long past
<v Speaker 1>and he told me, he says, I've never seen one,
<v Speaker 1>he said, but I'm pretty sure they're there, he said,
<v Speaker 1>because I've seen things I can't explain. He said, that's
<v Speaker 1>the best I can do for you. And he told me,
<v Speaker 1>he said that they had some ninety year old woman.
<v Speaker 5>And this is back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three
<v Speaker 5>or four. He told me that they had an old
<v Speaker 5>lady in their church that claims that when she was
<v Speaker 5>a little girl, that she played with.
<v Speaker 1>Little Sasquatch children. Oh wow, And he says, he says,
<v Speaker 1>you know, that woman is about as honest and perfect
<v Speaker 1>type of person you'll ever meet. And he says, he says,
<v Speaker 1>I don't doubt her in any way, shape or form.
<v Speaker 1>To hear those type of stories from people that are
<v Speaker 1>completely believable. I mean, when somebody can tell me a
<v Speaker 1>story without blinking and I have never reached out to
<v Speaker 1>anyone or anything, just that knew that I had had
<v Speaker 1>an accounter and just wanted to talk to me.
<v Speaker 3>I believe them. And then there's no ones that I
<v Speaker 3>am so aware of what my brains look like from
<v Speaker 3>just rolling my eyes. When someone starts telling me a
<v Speaker 3>story and you know by the time you got half
<v Speaker 3>a dozen words in there.
<v Speaker 1>That it's bullshit. I just I'm fascinated with different stories.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, one of the guys I worked with before
<v Speaker 3>I retired, he told me that he had seen one
<v Speaker 3>way back in the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>We have a place called large Mountain here. There's one
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon too, but back then in the eighties, he
<v Speaker 1>would drive over that. He was working graveguard someplace. He
<v Speaker 1>would drive over that large mountain to get to wherever
<v Speaker 1>he was going. And he said, one night, he said,
<v Speaker 1>this giant thing just walked across the road. He said,
<v Speaker 1>he didn't even look at him or nothing, just walked
<v Speaker 1>across the road as he was coming. He said, the
<v Speaker 1>thing was gigantic and muscular. And I said, well, you know,
<v Speaker 1>he wanted you to see him. That's the thing people
<v Speaker 1>don't understand. If you see them, they wanted you to
<v Speaker 1>see them. That's that's just how it goes. You're not
<v Speaker 1>going to sneak up on one of these things. And
<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest things people do is they try
<v Speaker 1>to fool them. And that's one of the worst things
<v Speaker 1>you can do.
<v Speaker 3>You can't fool them. I always tell people, keep going
<v Speaker 3>back to the same place. Be natural. Don't these people
<v Speaker 3>start whispering, and shit, what the hell are you whispering for?
<v Speaker 3>Don't have a fire that sasquatch knows. Damn well, you're
<v Speaker 3>a human. You want to have a fire. It's just
<v Speaker 3>crazy that it's that kind of resource that doesn't work.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that buying all the right equipment, good equipment,
<v Speaker 1>and then having these people go out each person do
<v Speaker 1>not involve television in any way, shape or form. Each
<v Speaker 1>person has a top notch camera gear and a drone.
<v Speaker 1>They're in different areas, and they would be paid to
<v Speaker 1>live doing that.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever whatever it takes you, you will get your salary
<v Speaker 3>to do.
<v Speaker 1>This, to be out there and and be put into
<v Speaker 1>places that most people won't go or have been. And
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the only way you're gonna satisfy as
<v Speaker 1>far as I don't care about proven anything, but I
<v Speaker 1>think that as far as research goes, that's what you
<v Speaker 1>need to do.
<v Speaker 3>You're going to have to do it that way. And
<v Speaker 3>I would not hire one single person that's that's been
<v Speaker 3>on television or has tried to make a book off
<v Speaker 3>of this. I never have. I've never asked for anything.
<v Speaker 1>This year, I've been for the first time ever in
<v Speaker 1>my life, I've been contacted by.
<v Speaker 3>This minor group, Pacific Pacific Northwest Miners rally they're having,
<v Speaker 3>and they ask if I would speak about what happened
<v Speaker 3>to us and on the Sasquatch in general. Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to It's going to be August.
<v Speaker 1>Eighth, the ninth, and I'm just very proud to be
<v Speaker 1>asked to do something like this. I'm hoping I can
<v Speaker 1>help people because I've known miners in the past that
<v Speaker 1>encounter them. And one guy that we ran into he's
<v Speaker 1>passed now.
<v Speaker 3>He was up there.
<v Speaker 1>We actually camped with him seven years ago. He has
<v Speaker 1>the best picture of a Sasquatch I've ever seen. He
<v Speaker 1>took that in twenty twelve with a with a twelve
<v Speaker 1>pixel phone and he actually had it set on six
<v Speaker 1>pixels and he was walking on the on the road
<v Speaker 1>up there on the eighty one because he had a
<v Speaker 1>place where he was getting rubies, and he says, he,
<v Speaker 1>here's this ruckus. He says, all of a sudden, this
<v Speaker 1>big male sasquatch jumps out on the road. So he's
<v Speaker 1>like he took off running with his dog.
<v Speaker 3>And he says, and the thing just walked across the road,
<v Speaker 3>and he says, another one jumps out, does the same thing.
<v Speaker 1>Another one does, he says, and the last one jumped
<v Speaker 1>and grabbed the top of this tree. And that's when
<v Speaker 1>he quickly turned around his snap the photo in it
<v Speaker 1>is the thing swung with the tree onto the road
<v Speaker 1>and he got it as it was standing there before
<v Speaker 1>it let the tree go. And ye oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>it was very badly pixeled, but it still was very clear.
<v Speaker 1>You can see its eyes, you can see its fingers,
<v Speaker 1>you could see its legs and its feet, and how
<v Speaker 1>it was standing, the direction it was standing, and all that.
<v Speaker 3>Man he he got, he sent that. He told me.
<v Speaker 1>He says, well, I sent this to a the BFRO
<v Speaker 1>And he says, and this group called the Olympic Project
<v Speaker 1>has sent me a text wanted to see it, and
<v Speaker 1>I was like, he showed me the email that he
<v Speaker 1>sent and the email that he got back. I said,
<v Speaker 1>why would the Olympic project, I said, those guys are
<v Speaker 1>all the way up at the other end of the state.
<v Speaker 3>And so I asked, I don't know him. I'm not
<v Speaker 3>going to claim to know him. But Derek, when I
<v Speaker 3>was at a squadh fest, I asked him. I said, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I met I met this guy, and he goes, I've
<v Speaker 3>never never been sent to anything. I don't know anything
<v Speaker 3>about it. So and I trust you know, Derek, I
<v Speaker 3>trust him.
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, I was just but the guy ended
<v Speaker 1>up dying. But that picture man, that I was just like,
<v Speaker 1>crap man, I would love more than once. I've made
<v Speaker 1>bad mistakes. I should have taken a picture of that myself.
<v Speaker 1>I ran into a guy at Winko Foods when I
<v Speaker 1>was still doing big with barbecue. I was standing there
<v Speaker 1>staring in the meat section. There was like four great
<v Speaker 1>deals of four different kinds of meat, and I was
<v Speaker 1>contemplating which one I wanted to do, and then he
<v Speaker 1>just he's like barbecue, and I was like, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>We started talking.
<v Speaker 1>Then I told him my show and all that, and
<v Speaker 1>then he told me we've got him on our property
<v Speaker 1>and my wife feeds him. And you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>this was a very very respectful looking.
<v Speaker 3>Guy.
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was just telling me. He says, I
<v Speaker 1>don't do anything about it or or with them. I
<v Speaker 1>know they're there, but he says, yes, she'll take them
<v Speaker 1>out gifts and she'll make them things and feed them
<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>And you know what, I did nothing. I said, have
<v Speaker 3>a good day. I was like, and I can't believe
<v Speaker 3>I've met this guy. How was that?
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't get any of his information nothing. That's
<v Speaker 1>been like six years ago.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, I've done that more
<v Speaker 3>than I'm just like, oh, what were you thinking?
<v Speaker 2>No, I've done the exact same thing. In a doctor's office.
<v Speaker 2>I was wearing a bigfoot T shirt and I'm filling
<v Speaker 2>out the entry paperwork and this older guy walks past
<v Speaker 2>me and he's leaving. He's already had his appointment, and
<v Speaker 2>he walks out the door and he stops and he
<v Speaker 2>turns around and comes back and he said, I like
<v Speaker 2>your shirt. I just looked at him and I was like, oh, thanks,
<v Speaker 2>and he goes. He kind of looks around for a minute,
<v Speaker 2>looks at everybody, make sure nobody's listening. He kind of
<v Speaker 2>leans down towards me. He goes, you know, I shot
<v Speaker 2>one when I was twelve. And I looked at him,
<v Speaker 2>you know what a bigfoot? And he said yeah, And
<v Speaker 2>he proceeds to tell me this story from his childhood
<v Speaker 2>locations and everything right where he was at, not too
<v Speaker 2>far from where I live. And as he's telling this story,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I can see in his body language like
<v Speaker 2>he's recollecting the thoughts and everything he's seeing in his head.
<v Speaker 2>His eyes are welling up with tears and everything he is.
<v Speaker 2>His voice starts getting kind of shaky and stuff as
<v Speaker 2>he goes through the events that happen and everything. And
<v Speaker 2>after he was done, I just said, wow, that's that's
<v Speaker 2>an amazing story. Thanks for sharing that with me. And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I haven't told it to anyone. That was
<v Speaker 2>the first time. And he just walked out. And the
<v Speaker 2>first thing that happened, my wife goes, why didn't you
<v Speaker 2>get his name and phone number? Didn't even think of it? Oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I do a bigfoot podcast, don't I. I was just
<v Speaker 2>so amazed. It was such just a you know a
<v Speaker 2>natural thing, just like one of those moments that you're
<v Speaker 2>not expecting. And I didn't even think for a second
<v Speaker 2>about getting his contact info or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she strives me nuts when I do that. My
<v Speaker 1>doctor is actually she's a physician's assistant, but she takes
<v Speaker 1>good care of me. Her name is Bliss.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say her last name, but just
<v Speaker 3>the name alone would tell you what a kind person
<v Speaker 3>she is. And she she I tell her, you know, look,
<v Speaker 3>I broke down on this stupid show I was on,
<v Speaker 3>and she's like, we got to find a way to
<v Speaker 3>help you with your PTSD. She said, one way is
<v Speaker 3>to stop doing.
<v Speaker 1>Those and I was like, yep, Well I did stop
<v Speaker 1>doing them, and it kind of got better and better
<v Speaker 1>and better. As far as the sleep goes, I don't
<v Speaker 1>think i'll ever sleep regular again. There's another man that's very,
<v Speaker 1>very very high in the Sashquatch world.
<v Speaker 3>I mean he told me that he does not He said,
<v Speaker 3>if I tell you this, I don't want you to
<v Speaker 3>ever repeat it, So I'm not going to use his name,
<v Speaker 3>but he said ever since his encounter, he's also been
<v Speaker 3>on sleep medicine for fifteen years. So I was just like, wow,
<v Speaker 3>he thinks it has to do.
<v Speaker 1>He heard the humming too, and so he thinks that
<v Speaker 1>might have something to do with it.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't dream about him. I just can't sleep after
<v Speaker 1>that that night, I can't sleep. So I thoroughly enjoy
<v Speaker 1>listening to people who aren't out there. One kid told
<v Speaker 1>me when I was still working, he has a neighbor
<v Speaker 1>girl somewhere around twenty years old. This is about five
<v Speaker 1>years ago.
<v Speaker 3>He was telling me. He says, lives out Namboy. That's
<v Speaker 3>real rural too.
<v Speaker 1>That she left her friend's house and she just had
<v Speaker 1>to walk through a patch of work woods to get
<v Speaker 1>to her house. She says, she gets about halfway through
<v Speaker 1>the woods and something starts following her, so she speeds
<v Speaker 1>up and she gets out and she runs up to
<v Speaker 1>her porch. She turns around and there is a sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>standing twenty feet from her looking at her. And she
<v Speaker 1>goes to open the door, and her boyfriend had it locked,
<v Speaker 1>and so she's apparently banging on the door and when
<v Speaker 1>he opens it, it's is when the thing ran back
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. But he did glimpse it, but she
<v Speaker 1>said that it just stood there and stared at her
<v Speaker 1>and she is such a hardcore Christian that she thinks
<v Speaker 1>it was a gorilla because her God would never make
<v Speaker 1>something like that. I was like, oh my God. I
<v Speaker 1>tried to interview her, but she refused. So there are
<v Speaker 1>people like that that I believe. Tell you tell you things.
<v Speaker 1>I worked with another kid. He was a temporary I
<v Speaker 1>worked four years ago. And I asked him, I said,
<v Speaker 1>because he worked for the Forest Reservice as attempt during
<v Speaker 1>the year. The Force Reservice employees kids till they're like
<v Speaker 1>twenty one or twenty or something like that. So he
<v Speaker 1>had planted trees and things like that for many years,
<v Speaker 1>but now he was the year that he was too old.
<v Speaker 3>He goes, no, but they make us. When we first
<v Speaker 3>get hired, you have a meeting and they tell you
<v Speaker 3>that if you see tracks, you tell your supervisor. He'll
<v Speaker 3>take a picture, and then you destroy the tracks. And
<v Speaker 3>he just didn't skip a beat. He said that they
<v Speaker 3>they will take certain areas because they want to keep
<v Speaker 3>the big footers out, and they will put fake tracks
<v Speaker 3>in different areas so that the bigfooters don't go into
<v Speaker 3>these certain areas.
<v Speaker 1>And he said that he told me how they actually
<v Speaker 1>he said they if you see one, you're not supposed
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. You're supposed to just tell your
<v Speaker 1>supervisor and he'll take care of it. And he said,
<v Speaker 1>and some of the ones that cause problems, they just kill.
<v Speaker 1>And he said there's a place in Florida that they
<v Speaker 1>send the bodies.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, no, shit.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it wasn't too many years after that that he
<v Speaker 1>saw that Jesse Ventura had a had a show about
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy and all that, and in Florida there is a
<v Speaker 1>place where they do all these experiments and stuff and
<v Speaker 1>you cannot get not even if you're a senator. You
<v Speaker 1>can't get in here into that place. So that's what
<v Speaker 1>made me. I just the guy, it just rolled off
<v Speaker 1>his tongue like.
<v Speaker 3>It was nothing.
<v Speaker 1>We're eating lunch and I'm just like, wow, Wow, this
<v Speaker 1>is I knew it was true what he was telling me,
<v Speaker 1>and it made sense. So I've carried that with me too.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wow, that's that's amazing. I've filed a few
<v Speaker 1>people about it, and it makes sense.
<v Speaker 3>To them too. Yeah. I had never heard that.
<v Speaker 1>No, he was that's here in Washington. We were just
<v Speaker 1>happened to be on launch at the same time. All
<v Speaker 1>I wanted was help. And that's all I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Hoping I could do for other people is I will
<v Speaker 3>listen to you and gosh, whatever I can do to
<v Speaker 3>help that. There was just nobody that could do that.
<v Speaker 1>And when it came down to it, who can you
<v Speaker 1>if you go tell your doctor. And the first thing
<v Speaker 1>I happened to us when I went to work and
<v Speaker 1>I told a small group of guys what happened. The
<v Speaker 1>first guy says, well, I sure would like to smoke
<v Speaker 1>what you're smoking. I was like, mother effort, It's got
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with smoking or drinking. You know, hallucinate
<v Speaker 1>when you're drinking beer and you know. And another guy
<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, I'm going to go up there and
<v Speaker 1>see if I can't make a friend. Well, he went
<v Speaker 1>up there by himself, and he said he was so
<v Speaker 1>creaked out that he had to leave. But then he
<v Speaker 1>went back up there and he threw a loaf of
<v Speaker 1>bread on the other side of the creek. And he
<v Speaker 1>came back in the morning and he said there was
<v Speaker 1>a perfect tear in the middle of the bread and
<v Speaker 1>it was brought back onto the other side and he
<v Speaker 1>said there was four pieces missed, no crumbs in there.
<v Speaker 1>From something chewing on it or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>How does a loaf of bread get across a creek?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a perfect my tear with four because he
<v Speaker 1>counted the pieces of bread.
<v Speaker 3>With four pieces gone. It's just I don't know. I
<v Speaker 3>believe also a lot of people would disagree, but that's okay.
<v Speaker 3>I believe that they do know what fire is, and
<v Speaker 3>I believe that when they need it, they know how
<v Speaker 3>to make it.
<v Speaker 1>I believe these things are not holmost safety and sapien.
<v Speaker 1>I hate even saying things. There are some kind of people.
<v Speaker 1>There are definitely some kind of people. And I think
<v Speaker 1>that when people.
<v Speaker 3>Go, well, we got to kill one so that we
<v Speaker 3>can save them, save them from what They haven't needed
<v Speaker 3>any protection. Why would they need your protection? It just
<v Speaker 3>doesn't make.
<v Speaker 2>Sense going into this, Like you know, we had that
<v Speaker 2>conversation and everything about how it seems that possibly other
<v Speaker 2>podcasts have, like you said, just tried to trigger you
<v Speaker 2>to get that rise out of you and be entertainment
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And so you know, I told you that
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to pressure you to do it. It's
<v Speaker 2>up to you.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've been completely comfortable with you, Matt, completely.
<v Speaker 2>Good, good, I decided that I was just going to
<v Speaker 2>let you, you know, tell your story how you wanted
<v Speaker 2>to tell it, and just leave it at that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do. I try to do the best I can.
<v Speaker 3>My wife says, I jump around a lot, and it
<v Speaker 3>might be because of the PTSD that I can't seem
<v Speaker 3>to keep it all in a perfect role. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I do the best I can. Yeah, you did fine.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like obviously there's like things that I'm thinking
<v Speaker 2>about about your story, and there might be some questions
<v Speaker 2>that I have for you or whatever. But I'll ask
<v Speaker 2>all those you know, off air and personal messages.
<v Speaker 3>Anything we talk about you.
<v Speaker 1>You ever want me to come back on, I'd be
<v Speaker 1>glad to It's it's been a pleasure though talking to you.
<v Speaker 1>I feel very comfortable about talking about it. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I don't have all the other worries, like what am
<v Speaker 1>I going to do at work? There's a lot of stress.
<v Speaker 3>Seems like every time this would happen, I'm dealing with
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stress. Yeah, and you know, I mean
<v Speaker 3>I remember when my son got laid.
<v Speaker 1>Off in my little his little boy he's just he
<v Speaker 1>could he wasn't even walking or anything, you know, And
<v Speaker 1>I I just you know, and then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through all this shit. You know, I'm worried
<v Speaker 1>about my son. I'm worried about what grandson. And I
<v Speaker 1>tend to let a lot of things worry me back
<v Speaker 1>in the day, and I don't anymore.
<v Speaker 3>I just it's not it's not worth the trouble. Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I don't, I don't. I try not to judge people,
<v Speaker 3>but I just want. I think everybody should know that
<v Speaker 3>it's okay to change your mind about anything.
<v Speaker 2>If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else
<v Speaker 2>you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail
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<v Speaker 2>remember there's something in the woods.
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