BIG FACTS feat. GORILLA ZOE

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Speaker 1: Big Bank, DJ Scream and Baby j with the number one podcast in the streets, Big.

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Speaker 2: Facts from Studios and the atl It's time for Big Facts, Big Bank, What Up, Baby Jane?

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Speaker 1: What Up?

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Speaker 2: DJ Scream, I Am here and Gorilla Zoe don't pulled up on us on bigas.

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Speaker 3: So what's what's.

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Speaker 4: Happen to be here?

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Speaker 3: Where you've been? First off, where you're being, Where you're being, where.

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Speaker 1: You've been around the world.

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Speaker 5: I'm back again, around the world, around the world and back again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's all. Yeah, here though somewhere are well?

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Speaker 3: Got you?

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Speaker 2: It started, It started well you can tell how it really started, but I know I started a lot of people seeing you shouts at the.

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Speaker 3: Funk shot Rick and all that.

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Speaker 2: You was like the top mix tape slinger and all that, and that evolved into.

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Speaker 3: What was your first record?

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the record that was buzzing before Hood Nigga right before that, or was that the first one?

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Speaker 4: No, it was It was a record called bet you can't do it on it?

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Speaker 3: Bet you can't? There you go.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I can say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, these big Facts. What you need to say?

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Speaker 5: It was like, you know you you make records for where you at. You know what I'm saying, where you're at in time and space, So you know what I'm saying, Like we're going like you know, all the little small strip clubs and the little little spots, you know what I'm saying. And that ship, you know, that's.

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Speaker 2: What it was, m and that leads you in the getting sign of Block Entertainment, right nah Nah.

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Speaker 5: I think like the third or fourth record that that we had thed h was Hood Nigga And you know, you go through a regular processor, you know, getting it to the folks, you know, and then getting it you know what I'm saying to the.

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Speaker 1: Clubs and that type.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and it had a lot to do with the folks around me, you know what I'm saying, getting into places and people liking it. So they already had like a bus you know what I'm saying that that kind of like it didn't it didn't bring me the opportunity. My dog flying took it up the visit. I think with visions something like that, and I think with vision John Adam last party and handed it to uh to Block.

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Speaker 4: Acon had already had.

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Speaker 5: It was like you know what I'm saying, negotiation, But it was you know what I'm saying, time relevancy, time winning relevancy for me. So given the fact that home was in Africa all the time, It's just made sense bro right there.

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Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying with the move, So you're go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Now you know what Block Entertainment And I'm saying, like what what what was that whole process like being with Block and what what ultimately led to you separating from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a learning spirits.

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Speaker 5: I tried to look at everything in the uh in the most positive m like that I can, I can, I can, I can. I'm not I'm not with uh down beating down? Uh no, brother, no, sister, that ain't That ain't gonna help you get up. You know what I mean? They will help you get up. So I appreciate that, Uh that time period, Uh, it was a learning experience. Anytime everything you learned you can can be used, you know what I'm saying. So, Uh, I needed it. I needed it for I needed every every drop of it, you know what I'm saying, Especially for where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to be end up being in boys in the hood too right with that?

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Speaker 5: Uh, they put me in it. I agreed to be in it. I hold myself a calmer you know what I'm saying. Oh, I guess uh. Homa had a certain amount of time that he was gonna be in it and the situation was what it was and opened up the gates for me to uh, for me to join in and get some get some reps in.

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Speaker 6: You say you're talking about you.

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Speaker 3: Got up out of the yep.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: We all were everybody different race.

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Speaker 1: Bro, what would you say your journey be in like period? Just do our life?

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Speaker 5: Oh man, it's it's I tell you what. I'll tell you what. But I feel like I'm a nomad, Bro. I don't have to like to do some real acceptance on my personal journey because we we we we learned from everybody and everything. So in that process of process of learning, you pick up other people's ship.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, some of good, some of it bad.

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Speaker 5: Well it's all it's all good, but it might not serve you to the best exactly. I picked up I picked up a lot that I didn't need. No, Like, it wasn't for me. I didn't know I got more of them, you know, I got more of an insight and outlook on where I'm at. And you know I'm a nomad bro That's I've never stayed a place more than four years of my life.

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Speaker 4: I'm always moving, I'm always meet new people.

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Speaker 5: God always got me in new different situations, and I've accepted that as my role in life. So like the earth, whatever's beyond. You know what I'm saying, That's what it is. I'm really not in one place. I'm not changing one place.

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Speaker 2: So does the song lost perfectly described your life? Because that's what it sounds is.

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Speaker 5: For a minute, for a minute, if you don't understand inside, outside or the middle ground, then you're gonna be lost, especially if you you know what I'm saying, you walk into gray, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: So, uh, you know what I'm saying, Like giving I was lost?

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Speaker 1: What you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: You end up?

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Speaker 5: How do you know what I'm saying? But now I understand I don't have all the power all the buildings. Some people do, and they can, they can. They can move you into into two realms and spaces that you can't move yourself. You know what I'm saying, and uh, understanding that and accepting that, accepting that responsibility of that blessing. You know what I'm saying, big mm hmm damn.

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Speaker 1: So what when did you see your journey start to shift? Like Okay, you come up. You know what I'm saying. I probably came up just like everybody else from Shelman. You know what I'm saying, street or a hood child or whatever getting into this music game. What what what do you think was your biggest shift like in your life? Because I know what mine was. And when I turned like forty, I should just started to shift forty one, Okay, it happens. And what was that moment to let you know it was shifting.

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Speaker 4: For my life turned into everything that I had.

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Speaker 1: It's just one day up up and like like a tornado hit my life.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I thought I had it all together, putting it all my plans. I was putting it together. You know what I'm saying. Everything was moved. Man, it's the furthestide I've got. I've got my kids standing next out. You know what I'm saying. We all right here and everything move and I got everything that I think of where I was supposed to be and uh boom h everything. I'm literally when.

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Speaker 2: You say boom saying like, what was it like?

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Speaker 3: What was it.

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Speaker 5: Being able to see yourself outside of your body? Something happened with me where I could I could see in two different two different realms. So once that happened, something like something it's alarm or something. You know, he home, We gotta go. You got some things to do. You too well, your too consciousness. You know what I'm saying. You gotta move And how a god makes that happen or whoever said in unity to make that happen, It's gonna happen. And I was moved and I kept moving. You know what I'm saying. I'm still moving, you know, from that to this day.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you said you saying that I lost a little bit? Was that when you went into like the pop world record. I'm just trying to understand life, he said, He said life in general.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, he saying like he had to face itself.

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Speaker 6: And basically it was it was one of the two had to leave. You're gonna be this or you you're gonna be this, You are that you and whoever you you're not gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta pick one of these niggas to go for.

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Speaker 5: Y'all said that clarity, y'all said it. One of them, one of them is on this side and one of them on the other side.

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Speaker 2: So which one?

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Speaker 6: Which one?

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Speaker 4: I'm more on the specual side, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So the hood nigga, No, no, no hood niggas.

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Speaker 1: It's the mentality they got put in the bed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: That's what he's saying. Yeah, just the mentality of child. The child that child is Okay, I don't know. I'm gonna let you take care of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, no, you got responsibility. I put some in you. You know what I'm saying. Certain things happened after that. Uh you know that that you know made me understand. It was a lot of teaching. To carry the responsibility, you have to have knowledge and with that knowledge and use of wisdom, then you gotta hold yourself accountable for what you you know what I'm saying, what you obtained and what you're giving grace to. You know what you grace with commerci of God. So you know you can you're able to see you know what I'm saying, you're able to see people, you know what I'm saying, And people able to able to see you if they should, you know what I mean, if if they granted it so that if they should.

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Speaker 3: That's deep.

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Speaker 1: I get.

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Speaker 3: I caught that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't mind being invisible.

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Speaker 4: With some people. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Necessary music in and out of music. What you think your greatest accomplishment.

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Speaker 4: Is in and out of music?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: To be able to the lasting power to survive this this uh, this grand thing. Because the system wasn't built for that. The matrix of the music industry was not built for a long live, especial jevity longevity. But the land of God and his people is frequency, and music is frequency, you know what I'm saying. So to be able to to fly over the matrix, to not to be able to fly over the matrix is my biggest accomplishment.

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Speaker 3: How you do that? Because it ain't that damn near impossible in the music industry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can only do that with the right help, the right people, and God like the most. How you can only do that locking in and then He'll show you who you need.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: You don't never know who you entertaining, You know who you sit next to, A who hands you shaking, who got wet power? Somebody might have the power to change snap their fingers, change your life overnight.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: They ain't got nothing to do with no checking out to change your reality, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So or change your energy right the romatherfucking change your energy for the worst.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you got people that you got people that can pull your energy and they ain't got to touch your hand. They just you know, you got some people that can that can bless you, gift you with more energy than you can fathol you know what I'm saying, But doing having the faith is blind faith, bro. Like I was prepped for it because I ain't had nobody else to talk to me, so I was I would talk to their you know what I'm saying, Like like you know when people go home and talk to their parents, I would go in the ConA, I'll walk away from everybody and I just you know, talk to the you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: And when you say talking to the air, you mean literally talking to air or you were probably talking to God.

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Speaker 5: When I said because it ain't no three D physic right, So you know I would, I'll be saying, you know, I prayed a lot.

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Speaker 4: I prayed a lot. You know what I'm saying. I pray a lot.

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Speaker 5: And that just came from not having anybody else to talk to, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And I guess you would all that the quiet.

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Speaker 5: So some people got a lot of people to talk to, and they gotta separate yourself and go put themself in the closet the clause every day for me, all day, no matter where I was at.

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Speaker 1: Do you think people that like, once you tap in and know, like get outside themselves, start seeing theself. People start looking at.

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Speaker 4: You crazy and weird, like, yes, as they should. As they should because.

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Speaker 5: They're not they're not speaking on the same we're not speaking the same language, they're not on the same free Yeah, so what you how you supposed to look at You ain't never you don't even know what you're looking at, trying to like this Chinese this Chinese arithmetic right here. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, And that's you know, about.

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Speaker 1: To get it till you get it.

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Speaker 5: If they get it, Yeah, they got a lot of humbling it's a lot of stuff, you know what I'm saying that people gotta gotta gonna have to deal with because a lot of folks are holly.

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Speaker 4: Highly ranked idiots.

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Speaker 5: Some highly ranked idiots out here, and I can say that, you correct, I can say that, and people are listening to them.

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Speaker 3: And following them.

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Speaker 4: People will be me not no more, but yes, sir, yes sir, that's so.

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Speaker 5: But man, it's a fight because what y'all doing and what y'all been doing is phenomenal, But you gotta fight harder to help up excuse my language, you gotta fight harder to help a nigga. When somebody else walked through the door, you can see that everything ain't about it. They ain't right about this, you can see. But they can't. But they dressed up, look good for them. They ain't got to say nothing, but you know, hey ya da da, and like damn, bro.

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Speaker 4: They why it's so hard.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do the right the right thing, pops, what we're doing, and everybody ain't gonna get it at any time, but they'll come back four or five years, ten years later.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you know six months You're right, bro, You're right.

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Speaker 5: But it's harder when you're trying to do the right thing, you're trying to help people do the right shit, it's harder.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm fact. They we try to have a motherfucker do the right ship. I mean, you got to disagree with the wrong ship they doing. So now they feel as though they're being judged.

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Speaker 4: M thing. Is it the wrong thing from their perspective?

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Speaker 1: Exactly, That's what I'm saying. But if I don't been down that road, and I know what they're laying me, but everybody could be different, you know what I'm saying. I can tell you like, nah, bro, don't go out there and got now walk straight. Bro. They shooting, They be just randomly shooting down now, you go down there and get shut I know because I done went, I done hurt them the gas shoot down there.

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Speaker 4: I don't think them shooting.

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Speaker 5: I can't back and told you, boy, I can't tell you don't go down there.

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Speaker 1: I can't stop you and telling what's going on down now.

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Speaker 4: I can just tell you.

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Speaker 5: But I know if I don't one, it's a nine percent change. He gonna walk down the street get shot. Fact, And I know this, so I gotta tell you. The niggas say, you can't tell me what to do. Nigga, I'm a grown ad man. I ain't scared of you, nigga. Nigga, I got my shit on me too, Right, he had spent.

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Speaker 1: On him.

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Speaker 5: You crazy until Nigga hit ah, he win't crazy, he ain't crazy.

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Speaker 2: Fucked up And through your journey of the music industry, man, like, what's the most alarming thing that you might have witnessed or been a part of a saw whatever the case is, that made you just kind of question.

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Speaker 3: The whole shit.

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Speaker 4: The collaboration, the collaboration, collaboration.

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Speaker 1: What you mean.

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Speaker 3: Lightness?

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Speaker 5: So in the industry, the craziest thing I was saying that I've noticed the biggest craziest thing is the collaboration.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: It was a certain.

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Speaker 5: Time period, well, everybody couldn't get this platform. It was on a certain amount of niggas that could collaborate with a certain amount of folks here and there and make some stuff happen, right, because we didn't have this. We had TV, man, we had the spinning down TV. We had like four five channels and then a little top. Right, you had tapes, like everybody didn't everybody didn't didn't have a voice. But it was a certain amount of niggas that that could open up that door for whoever they wanted to and that would cost you. That collaboration didn't uh totally disappear until COVID. I mean they're still here, but COVID before Man, I look at all you gotta look at if the industry fucked up, If it was fucked up, who is it is fucked up?

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Speaker 4: It is who is in charge?

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Speaker 1: M hmm?

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Speaker 5: And who had it they way? Now, if you had it your way and you was in charge, how and why? Because I don't know how you did it to the day to the day, I can to this day don't know about Like it ain't no door I can't walk in now. But don't nobody want to talk to me? Shit quiet as a mouse. So to this day I can look and say those collaborations were fucked up, and you can That's how you connect the dots. That's the most fucked up ship because everything, everything that falls under the collaboration is fucked up.

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Speaker 4: Look, what's the collaboration? Revote right? What was what was before? Revolt?

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Speaker 5: Because revolts and they give it people, they give it people So what BT had the basement.

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Speaker 4: Some other stuff? Right?

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Speaker 1: How did you say some part?

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Speaker 4: How could you?

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Speaker 1: How did you?

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Speaker 5: Okay, what will say some part? How could you how you got on one to see some part? Who did I have to collaborate.

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Speaker 3: With the labels?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying you had to say there was no independent people on one or sixth part? That not that I remember.

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Speaker 4: There was no independent nothing like that.

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Speaker 5: So I'm saying, so whoever I had to collaborate with, they had to had to collaborate with control the fifteen people, twenty thirty people that walked across that stage every year.

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Speaker 3: So you spent you talking about the bigger the bigger entity. Okay, I see what you say. The bigger entity.

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Speaker 4: The bigger entity is the smaller entities.

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Speaker 1: The bigger entity is the bigger of a whole entity.

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Speaker 5: So say you try to make it, you try to make it like, Okay, it's a big insity.

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Speaker 4: It's the music being.

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Speaker 5: It's not man, but each one of it's there's names, first and last names. Those those are the small of.

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Speaker 3: The people with are you okay?

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Speaker 1: So let.

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Speaker 6: To kind of like analogize it the smaller entities that conglomerate the bigger entities in the music industry are similar to like the smaller entities that conglomerate the bigger entities in the world, like the Carnegie, the Rockefellers, like all those types of people. It's Carnegie and Rockefellers that make the music industry basically, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Literally, okay, okay.

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Speaker 5: Literally all it's all involved, it's all you know what I'm saying. Like if you know, you know, and if you don't, you don't. But now it ain't no you know, you know. It's ship wide over.

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Speaker 1: So everybody with in the biggest, the bigger entity they got, they got a motive for this ship.

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Speaker 5: They've already written out there. Those those little ones are conglomerating with the deities. So the entities are conglomerating with the deities and controlling not as much anymore because the the the power shifted, so.

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Speaker 1: The limit would be somebody like uh uh I mean, I mean, I mean uh l a reading niggas like that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, howard them niggas got their situation. Say it was.

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Speaker 5: From their granddaddy or they father. Somebody did it. Go to summer, somebody did it. Somebody did something because they wouldn't lay you in this ship from the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So you're saying to an extent, then.

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Speaker 4: They can't run from it. Brother, ain't no fucking saying because guess.

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Speaker 5: What I'm gonna I'm gonna pay you because you can control the kids and I need to control the kids.

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Speaker 6: Or do you feel like this ship is some water down that they don't even give a fuck about keeping the gate anymore?

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Speaker 5: They can't keep the get God is involved heavy. It's a time it's a time period. You know what I'm saying that like it's seasonal planet. She's on fire, you know what I'm saying. So you look at it and say, Okay, you did something good. You put out a bunch of kids. Those kids control kids. Why wouldn't I pay you if I want to control kids, control the future?

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Speaker 1: Hm?

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Speaker 5: That girl go control all these girls when they grow up. Why wouldn't I pay you if you could control that girl? Why wouldn't I get that girl everything she wants? She can control all those girls.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically like somebody like that, we get her early, like she we see her following, We got there and get her. Or what's the white girl name? It said a lot of records and swift.

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Speaker 5: Yeah like these girls well Gaga, yeah, say so basically.

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Speaker 6: Like I'm sorry theirself that.

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Speaker 5: It's a whole system of of everything that you won't put on them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the deed sees are controlling the handlers that are controlling them exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to shoot down it.

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Speaker 5: No, folks don't know what they doing what they do and being you know, nuts here, nuts crazy, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So what that means for an artists? That does that mean? For an artist? That they shouldn't really? I mean what do that means for an artist? And talent?

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Speaker 1: This shit don't mean nothing no more telling me influences the talent, now right, you can't influence Nobody won't want to hear that ship.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's been pulled away from them. So the whole that's that's the thing. Pull it out of there, all right, what's the thing I influenced? That's all it's been about. So guess what now it's almost an even playing field. You know what I'm saying. You ain't got to be You ain't got to be. You know that one person beat you with fifty one hundred niggas. You know what I'm saying, real niggas. You know what I'm saying that they can influence shit you get beat mm hmm, it's gonna take you know, it's in the process. You got to you know, go through the process. But you can see the table flipping and the board turn it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, facts, mm hmm, damn damn.

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Speaker 2: So talent don't matter as much as the influence. The influence is what matters. And basically saying that, well, we kind of said on some other episodes too, that there's higher powers that control all this, not even just in music, but music, media, is sports, all of this shit.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: At what point did you realize that.

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Speaker 5: I got out my body at forty one hit hard? I kind of all I kind of felt it, kind of know some. But it's hard to beat hunger. It's hard to beat bills, it's hard to beat child support, it's hard to beat all the worldly stuff.

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Speaker 4: That is then a distract.

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Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, I don't want to do that, but boy, I'm hungry. My kid needs shoe. You gotta When you study under stress, which is the system, then you know you can't see it. You don't you might see it, but you distracted. It ain't to you jump out and can see from a different perspective. He was like, oh no, I was right, nigga, I'm a starve. Matter of fact, I'm a fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna eat hunger for hunger. I ain't going for it. Don't give me nothing. I want to see all this. I want to see it all.

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna. I'm gonna put myself through the suffering so I can see everything.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm. Damn. So when you get when you got outside, just said and looked at you and said, what you say?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: Sheeush oh immature.

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Speaker 1: Man child, Uh.

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Speaker 4: Beat up. I didn't like what I saw. I didn't like what I saw.

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Speaker 1: So when you when you get to that point, that's the point where you just blame yourself everything. You don't blame nobody else. You put all the blame on yourself. Right, Everything that I went through, everything that I've been through or go through, is because of me.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot of beating up, a lot of a lot of a lot of realization and then like you know, pain just for me you know what I'm saying. You know, it wasn't until you know, I got to a certain point after you know, sleeping sleeping on my boy, couching the basement, crying every night, trying to figure myself out. His wife told me something. Man, it helped me out.

00:26:58
Speaker 1: She was like, so.

00:27:01
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta forgive yourself. Ain't gotta forgive others. It had to happen, That's all she gave me. And I went with that riddle, and I just started the process of Okay, I didn't know forgive, I forgive you.

00:27:21
Speaker 4: You didn't. I'm talking to myself. And the more.

00:27:25
Speaker 5: You forgive yourself, and the more that you you go through that process of realization and acceptance and you start looking at how much you messed up, it's easier to forgive other people. Like, but what you had right, you didn't have it. Ain't nobody else responsibility. You know what I'm saying, Like you for you, You responsible for you. So you know you gotta give other people saying grace, you give yourself and also give yourself to saying grace that you give other people.

00:27:53
Speaker 4: That helped me out a lot.

00:27:54
Speaker 2: Bro Nobody ever saw like in the press and the blows about you, like all the stuff that you're saying, you go through. So how did you manage to keep all this shit like personal life and the world didn't know that she was going through this.

00:28:10
Speaker 5: Man God hides, he hides, he has that's hidden places. You know what I'm saying. You know, you wonder, hey, why this, why I can't do this, or why I can't do that, why I ain't invited to this or why? You know, because it ain't your time yet, you know what I'm saying, And and having uh trust in the most highest timing other people time. Everybody ain't on the same type of time facts, right, So you gotta get at you know, you gotta have to be aware of there and get at to somebody like you know what, Man, I want to do this.

00:28:46
Speaker 4: I wish I like that, but it ain't my time yet.

00:28:51
Speaker 1: And you know what was some shit? What was some things that was really hard for you to change or hard for you to let go, hard for you to face.

00:29:11
Speaker 5: I don't even know what you call dependency. Dependency like depending on anything like whether it's a woman or homeboy, opinions or facts or anything that's outside of me.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying.

00:29:34
Speaker 5: Uh, those dependencies are also things that the enemy can latch onto. Right, So you know what, I don't really like the way I'm feeling right now with too much stress. I'm gonna have a drink or that pattern is recognized. You know what I'm saying. If your home was say, boy, I know you want to get a drink. Not only do your homework, know every kind of like everybody else know too, so that dependency can be latched onto it. You you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm arguing. I'm arguing with my bits today. I'm gonna fuck I'm gonna suck around, right, that's your pattern, you know what I'm saying. And you we can you know, get you through that or fuck you up through that. So to be able to like cut all of the dependencies off, you know what I'm saying. Uh, it was the hardest thing to do, but it also save me and and put the odds at odds.

00:30:27
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

00:30:28
Speaker 3: So Sobriety, you.

00:30:31
Speaker 5: Sob on everything for a long time, on for forfit, like for a long time, Like I don't like like everything.

00:30:40
Speaker 3: How that change your life? How to change everything?

00:30:42
Speaker 2: How to change how you interact with people, how you interact with yourself, how to change Well.

00:30:47
Speaker 5: I got the back to being myself who I was made to be and who I will be from this day going forward, interacting with people. It didn't change nothing.

00:31:02
Speaker 1: Oh.

00:31:03
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, when you fortunately and unfortunately when you when you, when you do certain things, you uh, you change your frequency that you might not see the same people anymore. Same people might not call your phone. You know, certain things you can't get to you like they used to. You know what I'm saying, You gotta you gotta be careful about how and who you reach for, because we gotta you know, we gotta reach. But you gotta know what you reach your for because it might look it might look sweet, you know what I'm saying, but it ain't, you know what I'm saying. So you know, it can pull you back to something that you don't need to be or a place that you don't need you wasn't meant to be.

00:31:50
Speaker 4: In you know what I mean?

00:31:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you think is the the good and the bad from then and now in the music industry.

00:32:04
Speaker 5: The good is the good is that I think the percentage of of us saying our culture the percentages are upping. As far as understanding our power and how to collaborate in the best way. I think that, you know, we we're starting to understand what we can do and what we have been able to do, and we didn't know we was doing. I think that's a good thing because it's flooding there. It's flooding, and it's more to come. I think the bad thing is and I don't understand it. I never did and ain't maybe not for me to understand the war within us. It's the war within us, meaning it's like a fight or a down play up play like it's just it's a class within our culture within its niggas fight niggas. And it's like, I feel like, it's enough money out here, it's enough love out here. It's it's enough, it's enough abundance, and we can lift each other up because all we you know what I'm saying, sometime we needed one when they got the line to win and they change everything, you know what I'm saying. So I got faith though, you know what I'm saying that you know what I'm saying, it's the love, it's the Lord. It's a lot of pain, I understand that's a lot of people hurt, and people be playing with hurt people, and you can't play with everybody, you know what I'm saying. It's y'all nigga both fifteen sixteen years old, Homer done went through some real pain and you out here playing and you don't play with Bro and he take that ship seriously. Now you got a little war between them. That's what I don't I wish I want people to see the like an overview of how it you know what I'm saying, how it hurts the long run. But other than that, we're in a good place. We're in a better place. Had a particular part of your career.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: You went from hood nigga and having the biggest hood records in the city and so forth, and then you started to make what someone say pop acrossover records. And then next thing, you know, we hear about you writing for like pop artists. I think you did a lot of work with like Flow riders.

00:34:43
Speaker 5: I ain't never right for Flow. I've been blessed to work with, work with, But I wrote for a lot of artists across the board. And the thing is, oh, I'm blessed with the talent that's it. That's it, Like you know, hood Nigga was written for somebody flags to come to be like man, I need you to write for write something for this person, write something for that person. So it was all always about you know what I'm saying, being used, you know what I'm saying. And I don't really have a h I don't have a ceiling when it comes to uh time periods or or or genres or demographics. I'm I'm uh, I'm I'm.

00:35:27
Speaker 4: A little bit of air thing and more.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: How is that world of that journey though, like you know, aligner would flow and then probably maybe more traveling and seeing more and exposed and more like how was that beautiful? Uh?

00:35:39
Speaker 5: Uh? I tell you I'm thankful, super thankful, you know what I'm saying, because that uh, the organization and uh and the discipline. I was covered in ways I ain't know I will cover. I was moving on the path on paths that I I was able to be with what I said, uh, collaborate, I was saying. I look back at myself all like you know, just an ignorant man child, like you know what I'm saying. I was able to like have fun and not know all of the dangers or all the mistakes that that you know what I'm saying, what they could lead to because it was like, you know, things set in order with for you he has for his artists, he has they got you know, a line to walk and it ain't to you get up, you know, you try to go do your own thing, or you get get outside, you know what I'm saying. Or the system you see like God, like you know how many places you could have been hurt or hit, you know what I'm saying. So uh, being able to travel and experience that then helped me for now, Yeah.

00:36:44
Speaker 4: It was a lot.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: H what's the stuff that you basically should be credit credited for that you might not get your credit for.

00:36:59
Speaker 4: All?

00:37:02
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm gonna let God uh separate them, folks, separate all that and and and delivered what I do. What I can say is I'm not gonna get out of him without getting everything that is old to me and to everybody.

00:37:17
Speaker 4: Attached to me.

00:37:19
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

00:37:21
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

00:37:21
Speaker 5: That's you know, that's a long that's that's a that's a big that's a big statement the long way.

00:37:27
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

00:37:29
Speaker 1: You got any regrets, any regrets from the game period. No, sir, No sir.

00:37:35
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I wouldn't be who I will. I wouldn't be who I am or who I supposed to be if I can to. You want some fuck nigga shit complaining? You know what I'm saying, Like you can't complain, bro? You know what I'm saying, not not not where we at like we we uh all we'll we're hearing a special place. You know what I'm saying, lay line wise. You know what I'm saying, Like America is a special place. You know what I'm saying, a special time frame to be here. You know what I mean a lot of people don't seem a lot more than me. But I'm saying right now what I'm complain about. I'ma cat man. What we fix it, he's gonna get fixed or it won't keep moving even where it's at M.

00:38:21
Speaker 1: Did you did you totally forgive everybody that that you You know what I'm saying.

00:38:25
Speaker 4: I forgive everybody, Bro, I forgive everybody.

00:38:28
Speaker 5: I ain't got no no if if whatever comes up future, because there's gonna be a lot of ship that come up and it ain't go it ain't gonna it ain't gonna hit right for a lot of people. You know what I'm saying, I pretty much don't already got a glance at it, and I already forgave. People that ain't apologized probably won't never apologize.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: You say, there's a lot of stuff that come up. You're saying that your interactions with people.

00:38:52
Speaker 4: My interaction with people, but as a whole.

00:38:55
Speaker 5: Oh, if the on the car it is finna come off.

00:39:02
Speaker 3: Ah, you saying it's gonna happen.

00:39:06
Speaker 5: Oh, everybody got different gifts, everybody different gifts.

00:39:15
Speaker 1: I know what I know.

00:39:17
Speaker 5: I don't know what I don't know. I don't know what you know. I know what you show me, I know what you tell me. But I don't know everything you know. But I do know what I know. That's what it is. M hm.

00:39:32
Speaker 1: So you think everybody forgive you?

00:39:37
Speaker 5: If anybody out there right now, I got a problem with me, I don't did something which I know I have. Uh, thein't some hurt some people or any any of my actions or my words, anything happening to do with me is hurt somebody. I jumped from the bottom of my heart. I'm sorry, and I apologize and I hope you can't forgive me.

00:39:58
Speaker 3: That's real accountability, k accountability is real.

00:40:02
Speaker 1: So if you can descrive the place that you're in right now, uh, spiritually, mentally, physically, what would it be?

00:40:11
Speaker 2: Mh.

00:40:14
Speaker 4: I'm in my guard energy right now. God energy is in me. Mm hmm.

00:40:22
Speaker 5: It's heavy m hm. And I'm thankful, grateful, especially for the ones that's big, caring that Ben had the world on their shoulders. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, I ain't gotta do a lot. It's like Zoe, give us the is on right though the defense beat up, give us ten yards. You know what I'm saying. Folks don't play the whole game on ranted up. You know what I'm saying, And like, like, I don't have to do that much. So I'm very thankful. But that's where I'm at. I'm at that I'm in that frequency and that frequency is in me, and I'm grateful for it. It ain't easy and I'm not perfect, Oh forgiving, and I'm holding myself to the best that i can hold myself.

00:41:11
Speaker 4: Too, you know what I'm saying.

00:41:14
Speaker 1: Ship.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: We had a mixtape I Am Atlanta Man. There was a lot of a lot of people say it was a classic, you know what I mean? What's and you talked about a lot of Atlanta in that project, like real Atlanta Ship. But what's some of the things you miss about, uh, the way Atlanta used to be on and on the flip side, What's what's some of the pros you think about how Atlanta is now?

00:41:35
Speaker 1: Man, I.

00:41:37
Speaker 5: Wish I mean sometimes I wish I could go back and put those that filter, those filters back over my eyes just to enjoy it. You know what I'm saying. It was a Man, it was a time. It is a time. Everything has to evolve and change. Uh, but yeah, that was that was an amazing time, amazing place to be in. It's space to be in. We're talking about horology like that Atlanta. Nothing, nothing was or ever will be like Atlanta, Like one one, one on one. Now things are moving so fast, I really can't tell you, you know, the next period of time where it's going. You know, things are going to kind of like freeze because we were like frozen in the place.

00:42:28
Speaker 2: When you ride around Atlanta, what's the stuff you see that you do like and what's the stuff you see that you like not feeling.

00:42:38
Speaker 3: Like some of the gentrification.

00:42:40
Speaker 5: I feel like I see all that, but I also know that, uh, things change, and when they when things change at a speed that like it's going on, it hits hard, like you know, devastation, like it's it's it's these ain't just gonna keep going, you know, in one direction. So yeah, I don't like, Uh, I don't. I don't like the powers to be or the powers that was, but it's flipping. Yeah, I don't like how they ran ship. You mean, like from the top all the way from the top, I don't like all the way, all the way, like at a direction, from a direction, not all the top, from every direction, from a direction or from a perspective or from an angle. I don't like the way it was rang because it was selfish.

00:43:36
Speaker 4: It was it was.

00:43:38
Speaker 5: People literally looked at it like a game. Most people were pawns. If you could be a pawn, you know what I'm saying. The pawns were sacrificial uses energy, and I don't believe it. I don't even I don't even believe in that game. And that's that's that's why I'm here. I'm here in the face of everything saying I never would playing, and I still ain't playing and I won't play.

00:44:06
Speaker 4: It ain't nothing you.

00:44:07
Speaker 5: Can do to stop it, and none you can do to stop. And I'm coming with something you ain't never sink before. You couldn't even fathom. But I can fathom you and give you all your props and everything that you got to play with, but you can't fathom with. You can't fathom this now what's coming. There's somebody for everybody. But you think your mission is from here to continue to let them use me, to be used, to be used and be useful.

00:44:49
Speaker 4: That's it. That's it.

00:44:52
Speaker 5: Whatever that pertains off for the right people in the right place, that's what it's for. When I run out of energy, I ask one more.

00:45:01
Speaker 1: Hmm.

00:45:04
Speaker 3: That's real? What you got on the music end? Like you're still putting on music?

00:45:09
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:45:09
Speaker 5: I got a record, Uh, horsepower dropping. I don't know when it's gonna come out, but horsepower dropping. Uh it's a double untangra. What's that horsepower? Break it down for you? Gotta hear the record, the record of Jamming record featuring out my uh my artist and my brother Forever oh Man. He one of the dopest artists that I don't ran into you know what I'm saying. I really believe in him.

00:45:40
Speaker 1: Uh.

00:45:40
Speaker 4: Produced by Angel UH Color Classic.

00:45:45
Speaker 3: UH.

00:45:46
Speaker 4: But it's more of a it's more of.

00:45:50
Speaker 5: A a power record, you know, it's uh activation in the record.

00:45:57
Speaker 4: You know, Uh, horse horses A lot going on within that.

00:46:02
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

00:46:02
Speaker 5: Language once you once you realize how they how you got beat and you use what what beats you once you can't you know what I'm saying, and you people use language, they use rhythm, you know what I'm saying.

00:46:13
Speaker 4: They use frequencies. You know what I'm saying. You know.

00:46:16
Speaker 5: So if that's if that's the rules to engagement, I ain't playing. So that's what you got. Horsepower uh leading up to Welcome to the Zoo two this year. Also UH don't feed downs forever this year and then UH for twenty six it's incarnation and touch the world so forth for so on.

00:46:44
Speaker 4: That's what it is.

00:46:45
Speaker 1: But you think your legacy will be when it's all saying done or what you wanted to be?

00:46:56
Speaker 4: That ain't for me to call. I don't have it. I don't. It's like it's like what do you want?

00:47:02
Speaker 1: What do you want?

00:47:03
Speaker 5: So I know not to want nothing at this point in time, I don't learn. I don't want, I won't what God want for me. I don't want nothing. What do I want my legacy to be? Whatever God want my legacy to be?

00:47:15
Speaker 4: Boy?

00:47:16
Speaker 5: Because my my, every time that I come up with came up with my own little shit dig of my own plans, it led the wrong way, even even having the right intentions, because you don't you don't have all the insight or the outside you know what I'm saying. When you can't see everything, you can't see the whole field and know the plays and how it go, then no matter your intentions, you can have the best intention to end up in the worst place. So I've learned to like you know, uh, answer what I need and what is wanted for me in the best way, and and don't let my wants or my or my you know, any kind of temptation straight me from that.

00:47:56
Speaker 2: What's the most important thing, you know, the people watching? And then, you know what I'm saying, Your fans or people who may not even be familiar with you, what do they need to know about you? Now is your time to speak to everybody. It's the thing that people need to know that they may not know.

00:48:11
Speaker 5: Oh, I sacrificed a lot, and it's a lot of us that sacrificed a lot. Who I've been through a lot, and we weigh it well. Everything what you see, everything to be played with. It's a consequence of everything. We all got to deal with it. When you're looking at me, that's what you're looking at.

00:48:41
Speaker 3: Okay, I argue with that.

00:48:42
Speaker 1: I tell you, what about one more thing? Whould you tell a person that's going through something and feeling like they might want to give up? You ain't.

00:48:51
Speaker 5: You ain't the only one. Boy, You ain't the first, you won't be the last. But don't quit. Pray, talk to somebody, even if it ain't nobody to talk to. Talk to the ass for a way, because it is a way. It is a way. Don't don't give up. You got purpose. Usually usually the person getting beat up, the person the person that feels like that is getting beat up of being attacked or in this situation, because you're worth something. If you weren't worth nothing, you'll have it your way forever. Yo, you ain't even seen nobody da why they got it so easy? But they got they easily, Going down, but they easily that they ain't got They gotta ease that easy for a reason. You got it hard, because you're worth something. Know you're worth I'm telling you right now. If you got it hard and you want to give up, that's because get what. The enemy can't touch you. You gotta trick you into touching yourself, Gotta trick you into quitting and the crashing out. Don't do it. Don't do it. You know what I'm saying, Like, hey, don't do it. We all been there. You ain't the first one to be the last.

00:49:59
Speaker 1: M hm. Thanks.

00:50:01
Speaker 3: How you're gonna tell this story, the full story of your journey?

00:50:03
Speaker 5: Man?

00:50:03
Speaker 2: Final question? Like is it? Is it just gonna be the music? Are you gonna speak to people? Are you gonna do a book? Like how you're gonna pour it all out there for people to resonate with it and learn from your experiences so they ain't gotta go through the same ship.

00:50:16
Speaker 5: I'm gonna allow myself to be used. Everybody need to be used, So like this this new for me right, But I'm grateful to God he put me in your place with two brothers sister that I respect and that I know God love for people so allowed me to be myself. So God making it not easy. But you know what I'm saying, Hey, look I'm giving you them. We got a platform. Here you go, and they gonna hear you out. He's gonna hear you out.

00:50:48
Speaker 4: So it like stuff like this. I appreciate it for sure.

00:50:52
Speaker 2: Any time really so we appreciate you pulling up the Big Facts man, any finding words for the people.

00:50:57
Speaker 5: Oh, I appreciate y'all. Man, you're gonna hear all the stuff in the albums, you know what I'm saying. The music so aside from all you know, it's gonna stay. It's gonna stay deep. We're gonna stay in the water. You know what I'm saying. Oh, whether it's boil or hot, freezing cold, well, uh check out the music, please, man, Thank y'all for everything for real, Thank you man.

00:51:28
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